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 Author Thread: Sloganeering, Distortions, and Lies - The Australian Election Campaign
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 50 (view)
 
Sloganeering, Distortions, and Lies - The Australian Election Campaign
Posted: 9/30/2010 8:55:24 AM
Haven't been here for a while so had to wipe the cobwebs off the page. I was speaking to former Finance Minister Lindsay Tanner before the election and reminded him that Aussies are not stupid and don't generally support negative campaigns. In fact I was able to list about six such campaigns, (Fed and State) over the past 15yrs that had failed for being negative.

Now I only did 5th Form politics at school and I can work that out for myself. Politic parties shell out millions on analysts and yet they can't figure this out? Failures include Kim Beasley, Keating, Howard in the last campaign, now Abbot, Kennett in Victoria etc. They basically have no platform to run on so they try to discredit the others policy and Aussie people see right through that. To think we let THEM run the country!

As for the swing in this election most people I spoke to were of the thoughts "I don't REALLY like her for what she did and the union factor but I don't like HIM more." Many voted Green to "give Labor a scare" but got the scare themselves when they saw how close it came. My opinion is a rerun election would see a Labor win by 3 or 4 seats as some of that Green 10% protest vote comes back. If the Greens don't do anything in the Parliament in the next three years that could be the result then anyhow.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 34 (view)
 
TV commercials. Do they make you want to buy?
Posted: 5/26/2010 7:32:40 AM
Oh I was never against ads entirely. After all, if it wasn't for the ads then you wouldn't be watching the footy or anything else on tv for that matter as the ads pay for the program you're watching. The ads around the footy ground pay their way just as the ads in newspapers and on net sites like this keep them cheap or even free. (Thanks POF)
My point was more ads that treat the watcher as stupid or whether an ad influenced you to rush out and buy something. Obviously the ad people, manufacturers and retailers think it does or they wouldn't be spending the money on it and sponsoring your footy watching.
This message was brought to you by people who care.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 28 (view)
 
Mateship - A Urban ANZAC Myth ???
Posted: 5/6/2010 5:08:10 AM
Well I almost feel sorry for you guys that have never had the chance to experience real mateship. Yeah you can stand back and watch life go by if you like but getting your hands dirty is where you find mates and mateship. Don't confuse it with plain old 'friendship' like mowing your mates lawn or buying him a beer. Mateship is more about trust, a bond, someone you can rely on, your 'best mate.'

Ask any cop about relying on your mates when you're patrolling late night, just the two of you with the next crew a suburb away. I was fired on several times over 10 years and also took rookies into situations where they relied on me to keep them out of harms way.

As a Vol Firefighter of 12 years I can tell you that we put our lives and others in each others hands at every job. You have to trust your 'mate' to watch your back. I can remember looking after four teams in a housefire, staying in as long as possible and pulling out seconds before the roof came in. Battling a factory fire standing behind my best mate alongside a pile of gas cyclinders as the flames went through the ceiling over our heads. He trusts me to watch for danger while he tackles the blaze and we both walk out just fine. After bad car accidents involving fatalities with a young crew you can get a bit messed up. So afterwards we sit around and talk it through, peer support, your mates. I remember a few of those sessions thinking I was out on my own but then realised the twenty of us were a team and we were all feeling the same. My mates. The same would go for coast guard, ambos, and probably 50 other jobs where danger exists day in and day out.

What about the mines rescue guys that stayed underground digging for nearly 2 weeks never giving their mates up until they heard the voice of 2 Tassie miners just a short time back. Then kept going day and night until they got them out. Nobody was watching the clock or knocking off at 5pm just because their shift was over. Civilian mateship is not just about helping someone out of the rubble after an earthquake or cyclone either. I remember my mother after Cyclone Tracey in Darwin went collecting clothing and manning collection centres for days (in Melbourne) to make sure they got supplies. Just like all those that have held events and raised money for people they don't know in fire ravaged towns across Victoria. Yeah you might find the odd 'super event' like the Bob Geldorf concerts or some celebs on TV for a charity but at the grass roots level Aussies are known for going the extra mile to help a mate down on his luck.

I'm happy that I have had the chance to experience mateship and trust in many ways. If every other nation on the earth has it too then I'm just as happy for them. It certainly can't hurt for something like that to catch on. She'll be right mate, I got yer back!
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 70 (view)
 
Four dead after cop chase ends in crash
Posted: 3/31/2010 1:11:59 AM
Julianx, maybe my incorrect choice of words there. Like MOST situations that become a chase we were patrolling a back street when we saw the car flash past an intersection. I was able to take up a position some 500 metres behind him and clock him at 160kph BEFORE we began a pursuit so a dangerous situation already existed. Hi in a V8 and me in a standard car I could no way match his speed in a straight line but with the training I have and better braking systems on Police cars we generally close the gap on corners. After a couple of turns I was right on his tail. Again on a straight stretch he disappeared into the distance and we lost him. He was picked up by the other car going around back streets at a fairly low speed compared to the straight stretches but the pursuit car handles much better and was able to stay closer to him. On a slow right hand turn into a side street they moved up on the inside of him forcing him to go wide onto the nature strip and into the tree. I did say that we took him away to the station (obviously uninjured) as it was a low speed impact. No different to the 'tapping' proceedure you mentioned used in the USA and the safest way to end a chase.

I don't think any road death is acceptable and I'm sure we all know people killed on the road. I have lost several mates and a girlfriend to road deaths. But put this into perspective based on those same Queensland Road stats quoted above.

In a ten year period 2000 - 2010 twenty-two people died and 689 were injured associated with a Police chases in QLD. The figures don't separate offenders from bystanders. In that same ten year period 3500 people died and 46,000 were injured on QLD roads and stats show that around 30% are alcohol affected. (Also a major factor in Police pursuits) So that means 1050 people dead and 13,000 seriously injured by drink driving that did NOT involve a Police chase. Now if you have to find a campaign to join then you would be better off tackling the MAJOR issue of society behaviour and offenders than slagging the Police for doing their job. More than half of the drink effected deaths and a similar number of the none drink related deaths are thought to have involved excessive speed. So the police are an easy target whereas the major society problem is put into the 'too hard basket'.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 64 (view)
 
Four dead after cop chase ends in crash
Posted: 3/30/2010 3:33:16 AM

Well since a high speed pursuit can kill completely innocent people at random

Well AGAIN, it was the idiot in the speeding stolen car that killed the completely innocent people. HE was the one breaking the law and I think we have established at painful lengths that there is NOTHING to suggest that he would have been driving any differently if the police were not involved. That's what drew their attention in the first place.

G'day Julianx. The answer is not at the chase end. A car travelling at 200kph is covering a kilometre in 18 seconds. Even if the car stayed in the same direction you are counting on the ONE car in the next coverage area being (a) available to assist (not out attending a call) (b) being close to your travel path to intercept. (c) Having some means of stopping a 200kph missile.

If you make a 'roadblock' obvious then the offender just turns beforehand. I once chased a car for 28km around 3 suburbs before finally getting assistance from another car. I was driving a 6cyl standard police car and he was in a V8 ute. Had I not completed the advanced driving school the week before I doubt whether I would have kept up. I was joined by a Traffic Operations Group pursuit car who assisted. He was able to push him a little harder and the offender ran into a small tree. Car damaged, offender arrested without injury and slapped with 16 charges.

The whole thing took around 9 minutes. The cars in the adjoining suburbs were at the far end of their patrol area and not able to get across in that time. Had they been able to it would have been like the Blues Brothers with 3 police cars chasing one around and around. He changed direction about 12 times so setting anything up ahead of him would have been impossible. Where do you set it? How do you get anything in place in such a short time? etc etc.

I remember some 10 years ago the number of cars stolen in Victoria was 28,000, I believe it has been as high as 35,000 in a calendar year. Now it is down to 16,000 which I believe is mostly due to the anti-theft technology. Educating idiots is a waste of time as most of them are too thick to take it in. Just last week another car crashed at speed just metres from the place where 3 youths were killed a couple of months before. They all think they are bulletproof. Logic suggests we need to make the cars harder to steal, Car Tracker devices or ways to disable the car by remote. My mate had a simple fuel kill switch hidden down by the side of his drivers seat. Anybody taking his car ran out of fuel 1km down the road.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 44 (view)
 
ra ra ra...it's footy time again!...
Posted: 3/29/2010 6:01:49 AM
I don't follow the AFL but I have to put up with two brothers who are Collingwood supporters after Dad. I went to a match at the MCG once and had a great time yelling out "BAAALLLLLLL" at the wrong times to the amusement of all those around us. Made a few friends that day so it wasn't all bad.

You know you're at the footy in Melbourne when the beer is warm, the pies are cold but they are both warmer than the weather!

I did send a text to a dyed-in-the-wool Tigers man of Friday afternoon. "T, I'm running a sweep on what round the Tigers will win their first game this year. So far rounds 12 to 22 are all taken." But I also tell him as long as he follows the Tigers he can always plan his holidays in September. Not like he will have anything else to do!
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 58 (view)
 
Four dead after cop chase ends in crash
Posted: 3/29/2010 5:55:50 AM

We've already established that having police chase you would increase your risk of crashing. Noone can PROVE that he wouldn't have crashed if the police weren't there, but he definitely would have been less likely to.

We have? I don't see anything in the thread that has established that to date. You have assumed that position. Over 20 years of driving Emergency vehicles to the limit and I have never crashed one so speed alone doesn't always equal danger. No we can't assume the crash was less likely if the police were not there. We can go far as to say if he didn't hit that car that he may well have hit another or a tree etc with similar results as I indicated by the various attached links. Let's not loose sight of the facts. What he was doing was illegal. It was not the actions of a reasonable person. A reasonsonable law abiding person pulls over when indicated by the police carrying out their job. He alone by his chosen course of action killed three people.

I think facts have shown time and time again that youth plus stupidity plus speed equals danger and often death with or without police involvement as already indicated. Like you said, "Noone can PROVE that he wouldn't have crashed if the police weren't involved." But they were, and he did. Totally his fault. One thing we know for sure is that If he wasn't speeding in a stolen car then the police wouldn't have been involved and there would definately NOT have been an accident. That I CAN prove. It's called Action and Consequence.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 56 (view)
 
Four dead after cop chase ends in crash
Posted: 3/29/2010 4:31:33 AM
As an Ex-cop of 11 years and by court definintion an "Expert" in traffic matters and accident investigation let me answer some of the above. Re Crime definitions you are on the right track. The two terms most often used in crime and court cases are latin terms "Mens Rea" and "Actus Rea" or Guilty Mind and Guilty Act. As stated above you can have a guilty act ie a death by accident involving an illegal action but no intent and this is judged to be Manslaughter. A premeditated action that involves a Guilty Mind as well as the Guilty Act is Murder.

Generally Traffic Offences are not considered to be Crimes but there are exceptions. Driving over .05% is a Criminal Offence for instance as is Culpable Driving which is the driving equivalent of Manslaughter.


Sure, "it looked like him" is pretty weak evidence. But "it looked like him when he drove past, it looks like him in this photo taken by the red light camera, it still looks like him in this photo taken by the speed camera, his finger prints are all over the steering wheel and this hair was found in the car and shown to be only 1 day old, and look the cloths worn by the driver in my photo matches the cloths we found in his wardrobe, and none of his allabys for the 3 hours that the crime were committed in check out reliably.

I'm sure lots of innocent people will be pleased that the Magistrate or Jury must find in favour of the defendent if there is ANY doubt making hard to prove a case on the above example. The Magistrate and or a Jury must be convinced "Beyond ALL reasonable doubt" or the case has to be dismissed. A clever (lots of money) Lawyer will find a small wedge to cast that degree of doubt.


I'm not convinced that the crime couldn't be solved CONVINCINGLY the next day. That's how they should have tried to go about it too, because then noone would have died.
Now this is a statement that very few people would make or find correct. How does anybody possibly know that this same accident would not have happened without the Police presense? The hoon was already speeding when spotted without ANY provocation and there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that would have changed had the Police not become involved. In Victoria alone in the past year there have been 5 crashes involving youths and speed where 3 or more people were killed on each occasion and the Police were not chasing anybody in these accidents.

See http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2010/03/29/159191_news.html
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/five-young-melbourne-men-die-in-crazy-speeds-road-tragedy-20100117-me7m.html
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/teens-killed-in-road-smash/story-e6frf7l6-1225741698165
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/three-family-members-die-in-fiery-crash/story-e6frf7l6-1225708078888
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/man-killed-as-p-plate-sports-car-drag-races-motorbike/story-e6freuy9-1111117755457
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 54 (view)
 
Offensive or overly sensitive?
Posted: 3/28/2010 7:40:10 AM

I'm also quite used to hearing about racially motivated attacks and even wars.
Well I watch the news most nights and the peaceful gatherings and the 22 million Australian residents who DIDN'T get attacked today didn't make the news.

When people used to ask me (as a Vol Firefighter) how many lives I saved today I would tell them "55,000". That's how many people lived in my coverage area and not one of them died in a fire related incident so I was claiming them all.

Only bad news sells newspapers and advertising on TV. Sensational headlines that are not much less than the crap on the front covers of the supermarket glossies. I'm tired of ACA and TT beating up a story out of nothing to make a program. If 100 people were robbed/assaulted in a given period of time and 5% of them were of Indian extraction, and by coincidence the generall population was 5% Indian, why is this unusual and newsworthy? Do they publish the heritage of the other 95% and make a story of this?

Now while I'm very tolerant of other cultures and their right to believe what they want. Imposing those views on me and mine and how we (Aussies) do things is not acceptable. Can you imagine trying to do the same in their country? Most migrants come here for a better life and to get away from oppression in their country. Why then they want to duplicate the same situation here is beyond me. I went to India, Thailand and Hong Kong last year to see their culture. I would have been disappointed to be in a place where they 'westernised' it for me. I was terribly disappointed that a curry at Bangkok airport had been "adjusted" to make it more appealing to the International tourists. I can get a better Thai curry 2km from my place!
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 54 (view)
 
Four dead after cop chase ends in crash
Posted: 3/28/2010 7:13:32 AM

The police KNEW who this guy was, and they knew several crimes that he was guilty of. There should be no need to chase him through a street at high speed to catch him.

"Knowing" that somebody committed a crime and actually proving it before a Magistrate or a Jury are two entirely different matters. Catching the thief with the goods, almost 100% chance of a conviction. Leaving it to follow up days later, very little chance. He/she no longer has the goods, has had time to arrange his mates to cover for him if he knows he was spotted etc. I can hear the Lawyer now, "Well it was dark Constable, how far away was the other car? How fast was it travelling? How much of a look did you get at the driver? You just assumed it was my client because he has an undeserved reputation." Go and spend a day in the County Court and hear it for yourself.

They say that the job of a Jury is to determine which party has the better Lawyer.

Now if you're not happy about the law or the lack of sentencing unless you are going to do something about it. Laws are made by policitians. You vote for them so they work for you. Write and tell your local polly that you're not happy and you want it changed! If enough people do that it becomes an issue and right now we have elections coming up at Fed level and in a couple of states this year. Writing in forums won't change it.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Singlets, dogs not welcome.... (in food places) any thoughts?...
Posted: 3/27/2010 7:17:27 PM
I think some people 'use' the dog like some mothers 'use' their children to attract attention to themselves. I mean you take the poor pooch out and he/she thinks they are getting a WALK. You walk as far as the coffee shop and park the dog? Then it's "oh look at my cute dog". I'm sure we have all seen young mothers on buses, trams or in supermarkets talking very LOUD to their children and then looking around to see who is watching. They are looking for some validation "look at me I have a child". Next they are in baby comps and ballet class. Take the dog to the park with a ball.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 47 (view)
 
Four dead after cop chase ends in crash
Posted: 3/27/2010 7:07:03 PM

Are you trying to imply that being chased by police doesn't increase your risk of crashing? Because to me, that doesn't seem like a very logical thing to be trying to imply.
I suggested no such thing as Caves has already pointed out. As I stated previously, and I will again for you. These idiots draw the attention of the Police BECAUSE they were already travelling at excessive speed. Some of the idiots even bait the Police to chase thinking they can outrun them. Let's face it, we're not talking about intelligent people here. So as Caves already has, I too can point out now 5 multi person fatal accidents involving mostly young men in their own or stolen cars who were NOT being pursued by Police. One in Mill Park Melb this week was only a short distance from an earlier triple fatal just weeks ago. They DON'T learn and no amount of TV ads is going to change that.

So do you have a solution to this Ahron123? We just let these hoons take your car? Speed without penalty or fear of being pursued? Put lives at risk every weekend knowing the Police won't chase or catch them? Doesn't sound much like a solution to me. Pointing out the obvious negative without offering a viable solution is so easy to do. Sounds a bit like the Federal Opposition.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 51 (view)
 
Offensive or overly sensitive?
Posted: 3/27/2010 6:34:34 AM

I don't think Australia is multi-cultural at all. I think it just pretends to be. I think really it is just segregated - people from each race stick to eachother, and all that really exists is segregation between groups of people in the same country.

I disagree. It depends where you look, what age group and at which cultures. I can remember when I was in primary school the Italians and Greeks flooding into Australia were "the wogs". Made tongue-in-cheek fun of by comedies like "Wogs out of work" and such. In the mid seventies we had 'boat people' coming in, lots of Vietnamese. They became the "new wogs". Since then the influx of Indians, Chinese, Sudanese etc etc constantly changes the balance.

I was a Vol Firefighter in Melbourne a few years back. Out of 35 operational members we had 17 nationalities. All 6 members of the leadership group were of different origin. A couple of the last to join before I moved out of the area were an Indian guy and a Thai girl. We also had Italian, Polish, French, Croation American, German etc etc. We often joked that we should apply for a United Nations grant as we probably had a more diverse culture than any other organisation. What's more we all got along well, learned from each other and became accepting of the differences. That's what it's all about.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 26 (view)
 
TV commercials. Do they make you want to buy?
Posted: 3/27/2010 5:52:59 AM
I saw a program on this subject a couple of years ago where they showed that the volume is the same (regulated by law) but the "compression" of the ad is different making it appear to be louder. I assume it's a matter of pitch and frequency.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 44 (view)
 
Four dead after cop chase ends in crash
Posted: 3/27/2010 5:41:51 AM

They would slow down...and the unmarked officers can get them as soon as theres a chance.SIMPLE.
So WHY dont the cops do that????...even if it cost a few tanks of fuel to finally get the car theif...its cheaper .lf another unmarked car intercepted when the other was running out of fuel....they continue the trail...the assailant is going to run out of fuel eventually!
LESS DRAMA...LESS ATTENTION TO THE SITUATION....LESS COST INVOLVED...LESS DEATHS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE...less risky speed levels....and less cost to all involved.
Something very practical to what lm saying here.


Well, No actually. Obviously haven't been following too closely. These chases most often happen in the wee small hours when there is usually only one police car per suburb at best patrolling. There are no mystery "plain cars" hiding behind billboards just waiting. At high speed a chase of 12km takes less than 6 mins. Not enough time for the marked car in the next suburb to get over, if of course they are available AND can get across their suburb in time. If you only knew how few resources were available. Like people in a bush fire expecting the fire brigade to send a fire truck to EVERY house in the street, at the same time. Dream on.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 21 (view)
 
TV commercials. Do they make you want to buy?
Posted: 3/24/2010 5:52:57 AM

So it worked, it got your attention. That's the whole idea of these commercials

The waste of money got my attention. I've been to a few market research groups where they ask questions like, "Have you recently seen an ad for Nescafe'?" to which I reply NO. Then they show pictures from the ad and then it clicks, "Yeah I've seen that ad, didn't remember the product." Now they do these sessions presumably to find out if their ads are working. I imagine after that there is lots of rewriting and bum kicking.

On the other side of these market research sessions sometimes they bring out new products to try. I remember at one eating and comparing various Tim Tam biscuit recipes for release. They got the right guy for that one!
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 1 (view)
 
TV commercials. Do they make you want to buy?
Posted: 3/23/2010 7:38:27 AM
Does ANYBODY find that series of Commonwealth Bank ads amusing? These idiots supposed to be making campaigns and marketing for the bank and coming up with exploding money boxes etc. OR the ANZ and the "Simon had a good idea" ad. Is this supposed to make me want to bank with people like this? OR the latest credit card ads with the three people in the bubble etc. Does it work for you? I think they are treating customers like morons and I'm happy that neither of these are my bank or I would be telling them.

I was sitting watching TV a couple of weeks ago and saw 24 seconds of people one at a time talking about relationships. I said to the people around me "Must be one of those Church or Latter Day Saints ads. Then pops up the Nescafe' logo at the end and they all laughed! Have you seen it? What the hell has it got to go with coffee? I would LOVE an ad that actually tells me something about the PRODUCT! I figure that after an ad has run for 24 out of 30 seconds without branding then you have just wasted your money. Which ads stay in your memory and which ones do you think were the dumbest on TV?
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 26 (view)
 
Four dead after cop chase ends in crash
Posted: 3/23/2010 3:42:34 AM

The police always call off a pursuit moments before every crash. It must be in the handbook and every press release on this type of incident.

There seem to be a couple of people here living in TV fantasy land believing that helicopters are on standby 24/7 and there is a police car on every block just waiting. In the 10yrs I worked in VIC Police we mostly went from call to call we were so damn busy. Not often except maybe a quiet Monday or Tuesday night that we actually got to patrol the shopping centres.

Stolen cars don't drive around with big signs on them saying STOLEN. They generally attract police attention because they are doing something other cars are NOT doing. IE driving extremely fast or in an erractic manner. So the danger of an inexperienced driver travelling too fast already exists. If he/she is allowed to continue then they will do it again, and again. Each time getting a little braver and faster. Most car thieves or "joy riders" as they used to be called do it every week. Car theft is up the top of the list of offences, costs millions but has one of the lowest solving rates. Last year in VIC it was 16,000 cars stolen down over the past 5 years from 21,000 as manufacturers make it more difficult.

Whilst a couple of people think this accident may not have happened if the police were not chasing then I say prove that it wouldn't have! I can name three multi-fatalities in the past two years in Victoria where they were NOT being chased with three people killed each time. I find the only people who are anti-police and look over their shoulders is because they have reason too. They are also the first ones to scream when something happens to them.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 63 (view)
 
Ladies and gentlemen...pffft...yeah right!
Posted: 3/22/2010 4:17:33 AM

Ladies never walk bear footed
Does that mean she has big pause? (sic)
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 19 (view)
 
I really want to turn my computer into a Tevo
Posted: 3/16/2010 2:03:43 AM
Well I dont think I need a TIVO. But I do want to know more about VOIP on my computer so I can do away with the home phone. I believe that even businesses now are doing away with traditional phones for VOIP.

Any ideas?
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 10 (view)
 
VIC MEET & GREET byo BBQ 5th April (Easter Monday)
Posted: 3/13/2010 3:50:59 AM
Looks like we have a female shortage so far. 17 males out of 23 replies. I'll check in later as it gets closer and I know what I'm doing.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 162 (view)
 
Lets Play God !!!
Posted: 3/11/2010 6:23:26 AM
Nope! Now the girl I mentioned with the brain tumor also had FULL private health cover but they wrote her off after about $100,000. They figure she would fight them but they also count on the fact that she won't be able to afford the treatment and will eventually die while they stall. She wasn't the only one that had Health Cover that was left high and dry by these **stards either. I don't have a lot of faith in media when new fad diets and Lara whats her face get airtime while REAL stories like this never see the light of day. Maybe the government and Health Funds are too big to take on?
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 230 (view)
 
Do you remember....
Posted: 3/11/2010 6:08:11 AM
We grew up with one TV in the family room and I remember mum, dad and four kids strewn around the room on chairs, the floor and even a bean bag (remember them?) At each hour there would be the usual arguements about channels and programs although back then there was just four to choose from I think. I can remember back to the UK when there was only two, ITV and the BBC. One of the saddest things I've come to realise about the "me" generation is this lack of family interaction. (or any social interaction at all).

Now of course a family will have a TV in every bedroom, one in the lounge and probably one in the kitchen/dinning area as well. Then probably several computers around the house so that nobody has to see or talk to others at all. I've been to such homes where they MAY sometimes sit for dinner around the table for all of ten minutes to eat and then disperse each back to their own rooms for the computers. They send emails or texts to friends rather than meet them, walk around looking at the phone screen the whole time and life just passes them by.

I can already see that their world is becoming smaller. Living their life through a computer screen. Almost no desire to go and and see the world or travel because they can press a button and see it all 'right here'. Well we can always hope for a power failure. OMG how will they cope?
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 11 (view)
 
Is anybody else over the Bingle - Single ?
Posted: 3/11/2010 5:52:18 AM
While I like to watch the odd rugby game or the Formula One racing I'm certainly not sport obessed like the general population seems to be. Reading and hearing about this trivial crap day in and day out makes you pray for a bigger story to come along to knock it off. Why do we give our overpaid sports people this 'star' status? Am I the only person that wonders almost every year why the "Father of the Year" is a sportsman (and often a Cricketer) ahead of the many thousands of worthy fathers? How can they be "Father of the year" when they spend more than half their time overseas or interstate away from the kids? Like Tiger Woods they have too much money, maybe good at what they do but don't have a lot of smarts in other areas and led around by people out to feather thier own nest.

On the trashy magazines I laugh at the supermarket checkout (and again today) when I read "X's SECRET diet" or 'SECRET hideaway' etc. How can it be a friggin secret if it's in 100,000 magazines? But the dizzy heads still buy them every week/month.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 160 (view)
 
Lets Play God !!!
Posted: 3/11/2010 5:33:57 AM
It is interesting reading the posts of these young intellectuals with very little life experience giving opinion on moral and life issues. I've seen a bit with a combined twenty years in two different emergency services. I also went out for several years with a girl who had a brain tumor and managed to beat it but her story would chill the hardest heart. The average treatment cost was then around $350,000 with the constant MIR's, tests, drugs, specialists etc. To afford her treatment she had to remortgage her house and then had good friends pick up the tab for the balance.

She would tell me after each hospital visit about the ward full of kids at Peter McCallum Hospital waiting to die because their parents could not afford their treatment or even to care for them being sick. Each time she came home she would name the kids as young as 10 who had died since her last visit. My last girlfriend had her 4yr old niece die of cancer so it's not just a disease for 'old people'.

My point is some are arguing about $250,000 coming from some Govt. 'slush fund' like there is some bottomless pit of money that "isn't being used for anything else". It would be a wonderful thing if that was the case for all of those kids in Peter Mac and I'm sure the same in other hospitals in every other state. So stone me if I don't support sending money to starving kids in Africa or to earthquake victims in far off lands while hundreds of children lie in hospitals around THIS country dieing purely because of money. If you want to start a priority list for allocation of funds then start it there! Now why don't the media jump up and down for them? Where is Current Affair and Today Tonight on those stories? Maybe the general population doesn't WANT to know?

You won't see the "bigger picture" staring at the computer screen. Turn it off and go outside and check out the "wider world". Makes you wonder what else is out there that you don't know about and makes the petty insults around this issue seem very trivial.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 41 (view)
 
Beauty tips for men
Posted: 2/8/2010 2:59:15 AM
Oh that reminds Beachippy. I'm in Sydney on the weekend of the 27th/28th Feb for a Trade Show and I'm told the Mardi Gras is on the Saturday night! How will I recognise you? I'm taking fairy wings and a pink boa to 'meld' into the crowd. LOL fat chance but I'm sure it will be a good laugh to watch. You have to do it once!
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 27 (view)
 
Beauty tips for men
Posted: 2/6/2010 3:47:42 PM
If I have to spend more than 30 seconds combing my hair then it's time to get it cut! I was in the food industry a while so short nails and clean hands are second nature. The one thing I'm happy I started younger was moisturing my face and neck after shaving. Now at the 'halfway point' of my life I make some women jealous that there is not a wrinkle on my face! (younger guys take the hint and start now). I use a neutral scent deod after every shower (harder to find now, 'Spray Fresh Active') and my 'ladykiller' aftershave when I go out. Now the 2010 aim is the fitness. Time to dust off the gym set in the garage. In fact I might go do that right now!
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 23 (view)
 
To Flash or Not
Posted: 1/30/2010 6:57:26 PM

I am a lead foot (admittedly) and over the years have not only contributed to the champagne fountain and pate at the policemans balls, but have bought my very own policeman. Are they cheap to feed? I hope so considering how many I must own now.
A common perception that all this money and the fines from fixed speed cameras go to the Police. Well the Police having nothing whatsoever to do with the cameras now. They are manned and serviced by a civilian mob and the money, as it always has done, goes directly into State Govt funds. For the pollies it's genius.

Why do the unpopular move of increasing taxes when a few hundred speed cameras catching motorists 5kph over the speed limit will do the same. I mean who will squeal when they increase fines, double them on holidays or raise the tax on cigarettes to raise money? If anybody does then they have it all covered with "we're making the roads safer" or "smokers cost the health budget millions". For them they can't loose. Like I said earlier if the govt needs extra money one month the word goes from the Premiers Dept to the Police and through command to "blitz" the weekend and fill the pot with money. It's really just like lotto in reverse.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 18 (view)
 
To Flash or Not
Posted: 1/27/2010 6:13:17 AM
I was a cop for a number of years but never in the revenue raising section. Anybody that tells you there are no quotas or that it is not fund raisin are just liars. We used to get the word towards the end of a quiet month if the coffers were short to go and sit around the corner from a stop sign or two and nab a few drivers for the "rolling stop".

I mean IF they were fair dinkum about catching hoons then they would be out with the camera at 2am on Saturday night and not at morning peak hour to catch the maximum number of people travelling at 5kph over the speed limit. Then of course they brought all of those "5kph can make the difference" ads to justify it. With all those millions now factored into the budget they are going nowhere anytime soon.

Yes I flash and appreciate those that do likewise. Go after the hoons and leave the average motorist alone.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 77 (view)
 
The Conundrum Called The Australian Woman
Posted: 1/27/2010 5:46:03 AM
I read once that:

A man should have a woman who is a good friend and great lover
A man should have a woman who is a good mother to raise the children
A man should have a woman who is a fantastic cook and housekeeper

Most important though, is that these three women should never ever meet each other.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 34 (view)
 
Fiddling while Haiti burns?
Posted: 1/21/2010 2:31:59 AM
Well there you go. I knew Naamah had reasons and there would have been more thought behind the OP than I was reading into it. From other people though I wasn't the only one that misread your intentions without the extended version, thank you.

Was it before Christmas when we had a string of 'disasters' one after the other with various "Red Cross" appeals for money for each of them and the question was asked are we being asked too many times to "dig deep" to save yet another poor nation flooded, burned, shaken to the ground etc etc. Even our own, farmers committing suicide over the drought, people wiped out in floods, fires and cyclones and the general poor and homeless. Am I supposed to feel bad ever time because I worked my ass off for 34 years and made a success of myself? I certainly got no help. I didn't get any "donations" or Govt grants, handouts when the Fringe Benefit tax cost me a business or when the Stock Market crash cost me another or when my super fund when broke etc. My brother and friends got bailed out when Ansett went broke but I have never got a cent I didn't earn.

How is the average person supposed to feel, or do, about these constant disasters? The media piss me off the way they report these things that all they are EVER after is a body count whether it's a boat sinking, a plane crash or natural disaster. They just want to be the first with the next number. Remember how the 9/11 toll was up around ten thousand as each news service tried to top the body count on the others and it eventually came down to four something. I've seen headlines on plane crashes with a body count forty people higher than there were seats on the plane! After twenty years in Emergency services you become a bit numb to lots of it. You also learn to seperate your thoughts from one job to the next, not get too attached and stop listening to the BS on the news. I never forget that the news is a business and they are trying to sell it to please advertisers.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 16 (view)
 
Fiddling while Haiti burns?
Posted: 1/19/2010 6:10:18 AM
From the early reports I heard beachippy the airport has a single runway which was undamaged but the control tower was destroyed hence the need for 'ground' controllers. I also agree with everything you said in your first post. Not often I disagree with Naamah (I enjoy life too much) but you can't make a statement like the opening and then later pretend that it was just two unrelated statements with no feeling on the matter. I think we know better.

Haven't seen anyone blame the US for the earthquake, no, but thanks for clarifying.
Really? So WHO then is "Fiddling" while Haiti burns? I didn't see a reference to any other country in your post other than the USA. I mean we didn't cancel the cricket, Prince William didn't cancel his trip downunder and they all cost money too.

As for the people on the ground saying the response is slow. It took a week to get into villages in Indonesia after the quake and tsunami and the Chinese just as long to get to villages after their quake. In Haiti the airport is tiny and clogged with some planes having to turn back because they can't land. No room left. The roads are single lane and clogged, people are living in the streets that help is trying to get through. Not hard to work out really.

But as to things like the Golden Globes and Academy Awards. I would think they are watched and adored by the same people that watch Neighbours or Bold & Beaut, read Woman's Weekly or New Idea and think The View is good TV. They stand alone as being tacky and over the top without requiring comparison to anything else.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 37 (view)
 
I am not a GREENIE...I'm a human being.
Posted: 1/12/2010 4:54:24 AM

So in essence we're aiding in propagating a sub standard turtle to reproduce down the line; ones that didn't have the where - with - all to survive to begin with.

Why not Hawaiian? We're trying to save the planet to give you the same chance.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 21 (view)
 
I Spy with my hired PI, someone doing .....what exactly ???
Posted: 1/12/2010 4:48:59 AM
Doesn't always have to be a PI either. About 12 yrs ago I was going out reasonable term with a woman and started working longer hours on contract. The work was commission based and as it was contract there are no sign-on/sign-off, no hourly rate of payslip to monitor. So after a few weeks I find that she has been quizzing family members about my work hours and lifestyle, then finally calls my work and asks the GM to confirm that I have been working the hours I said. Needless to say the boss told me and I told her, where to go!
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 76 (view)
 
How sexy are child bearing hips..
Posted: 1/6/2010 6:03:26 AM
Well I only saw the thread title and can't bo bothered reading the 3 pages before me but my thoughts were purely on perspective. If I happen to be standing behind these "child bearing hips" at the correct height and angle and they are bent over something that won't collapse with the weight of two people then I'm sure I will find them damn sexy and attractive. Oh Hilly started it I just went with the crowd!
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 28 (view)
 
Global warming?......... Yes please!
Posted: 1/6/2010 5:56:26 AM

Actually laws force change - change in peoples behaviours and actions. Without changes in laws, there will be no change in behaviour. Ask any psychologist about the studies into human altruism....

Well if you really believe this then I suggest you take a look around. We have laws that you can't use a mobile phone while driving but see it 10 times a day. We have a law that cyclists must wear a helmet, how many kids in your area do you see wearing them in the street? We have laws against speeding, drink driving, theft, murder and that has obviously stopped all of those little problems hasn't it? I don't think I'm the one that has to talk to a psychologist here. You actually missed the point entirely and that was that is it PEOPLE who will drive the change in law anyway and not the other way around. Laws don't change unless a significant number of people bother the pollies who then want to get elected so they commission studies and lobby and eventually a law may be passed. It won't happen merely by someone suggesting in to the local MP.

Yes there is lots of differing opinion on the various subjects relating to climate change and it is much easier to throw in a few comments to divert attention away from the issues. There are companies who will loose millions if not billions of dollars if they have to clean up their act so of course they will spend thousands or hundreds of thousands to confuse or cloud debate. Let me refer you to the cigarette industry who did just that for 30 years, to the power companies over electromagnetic radiation from high tension powerlines, the mobile phone companies are doing it right now over emissions, Dupont about Teflon, the bottled water industry over BPA and plastic etc etc.

The trick is to see WHO is saying what and WHO is paying them to say it or supporting their campaign or funding their research. Then of course there is always common sense which has never been as common as people make it out to be. As with ALL of the above listed 'causes' the first people to point them out were treated like witches in the 12th century. It starts with a minority, takes years of public debate, eventually becomes a slim majority, then politicians take notice and then it becomes law. History and research tells me this, not uninformed opinion.

In relation to another poster about smaller cars and engines. My Swiss friends tell me that in Europe cars the same/similar to ours get generally 30% better mileage and believe it is the same in Japan listening to recent reports from Toyota. They would scream all the way to their politicians if they only got the same mileage we did. So why are our cars tuned/set-up differently? Why didn't we know this before? Do we doubt that the oil companies in conjunction with the car companies are not behind this? Just imagine how much it would cost them if our cars were just 10% better on mileage let alone 30%. Now who is going to take this one on?
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 19 (view)
 
Offensive or overly sensitive?
Posted: 1/6/2010 5:25:30 AM
I said this after the Hey Hey debacle, the Americans DONT GET US! They are so trying to be politically correct that they judge everybody else by their (low) standard.
I get annoyed in conversation and chat rooms now that the Aussie greeting of 'g'day' or even 'hi' has been replaced by 'hey'. We don't want their rules, their prejudice or their ghetto crime rates here in God's Own Country thank-you!

This is (generally) the land of peace and harmony unless you're Lebanese at Cronulla or an Indian student in Melbourne (blown out of proportion by the media). Could you imagine if that Bert Newton / Muhammad Ali "I like's the boy" thing happened now? Haha we WOULD be at war with them.

Thank God the Americans who are not frightened to leave home and can actually 'find' Australia come to love the place and can't stop apologising for the red necks back home. I have a friend here from Nashville at the moment and she doesn't want to go home!
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 22 (view)
 
Global warming?......... Yes please!
Posted: 1/5/2010 3:25:13 AM

I don’t want to stop our growth or progress for to do that is to ultimately condemn the ’have nots’ to ’have nothings’ and the ‘haves’ like you and me to ‘having less’.

Aaahh if only it actually worked that way! You must have heard the saying that "The rich get richer while the poor get poorer." Well that is the way the world works. Like any game at the Casino or the poker machines, for you to win big then 30 people before you have to loose. In order for the people like us in the "wealthy" nations to prosper or maintain our standard of living then someone else has to loose. This is what the small Island nations were trying to tell the politicians at Copenhagen.


It is my view that we may be better off devoting our energies to doing positive things better……. perhaps by legislation.

This is what comes at the END of the process. PEOPLE make and FORCE change and THEN it becomes law. Politicians don't suddenly wake up one morning thinking "I have a great idea, I'll pass a law today to reduce carbon." These things are driven by years of campaigns, protests, lobbying and often people like Bob Brown going to jail for what they believe in.

No you CAN'T have your cake and eat it too. But in a fairytale world you can just rub a lamp and it will happen.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 9 (view)
 
Global warming?......... Yes please!
Posted: 12/31/2009 7:17:52 AM

The more humid an atmosphere becomes the more readily it loads to dew point and rain, the more it rains the more fertile and productive soils become, the more the water tables rise, the more the ground salts leech, the more the rivers and creeks flow, the more the wetlands, lakes and dams fill. That, has always been the result of natures global warming and of benefit to man. The evidence for it is everywhere, including mankind’s own living memory, and his written word.

Well it's working well so far. We have dried up rivers and empty lakes in Victoria that haven't seen decent water in 10 yrs. I'm sure there are many in NSW and WA too with some areas that have been in drought for 13yrs. But you keep to that theory and take some photos when that water starts running ............
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 196 (view)
 
EVERYTHINGS climate change now days..????
Posted: 12/28/2009 4:40:40 AM
Don't give up on us Naamah, the Earth needs you!

Yes a lot of the discussions go around and around but if 'we' have influenced one more person to turn off a light, put in a rainwater tank, go to a climate change rally (I wouldn't have known about that one if it wasn't for you mentioning it in POF!) then it's worth the effort. I'm looking at the numbers of people who 'visit' a thread as opposed to those that leave a comment, ratio 20/1 although I realise many of those are contributors coming back to see who shot them down in flames after they posted.

I look back to 1981/3 and the Tasmania Wilderness issues of the day. It's taken 26yrs to get this into mainstream conversation, politics, action. Don't expect to win over Mr Average right away. We have 3 out of the top 20 threads talking about the environment on a DATING site! It's a HUGE step just to get Mr and Mrs Average thinking and talking about the environment and climate change. These are also the people that win and loose elections for governments, the radicals and hard liners don't change.

"A journey of a thousand miles is started with just one step" (Dalai Lama)
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 187 (view)
 
EVERYTHINGS climate change now days..????
Posted: 12/22/2009 7:37:57 AM
I've always liked the saying:
"Leave nothing but footprints, take nothing but photographs."

If only life was to simple.

Best wishes to the planet and to all you inhabitants over the holidays! Everything in moderation.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 6 (view)
 
STD's are on the increase
Posted: 12/22/2009 7:25:00 AM
Well I'm sure many have just been itching for a topic like this to raise it's ugly head! I think my forum friends will be up for some mass debating on this topic and we will take it all the way to it's natural climax!

I think that people should take a long, hard look at themselves and get right behind it! I for one am in all the way. I think we have this one by the short and curly's and should have it done over in no time at all. Well at least before the footy season kicks off.

Anyone else like to put their little bit in here?
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 57 (view)
 
What Australian men can learn from the Tiger Woods fiasco
Posted: 12/22/2009 7:12:52 AM
Movie Sequels, there could have been some great headlines especially for the tabloids: "Fourteen woman mauled by Tiger". I did consider "Eaten" but wasn't sure of his preference. "Fourteen women can't tame the wild Tiger".
"One woman tries to tame Tiger but fourteen get to ride him". "Can a leopard, or a Tiger, change his spots/stripes?" Oh we could do this all night. Too bad it was a long day and I'm done.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 185 (view)
 
EVERYTHINGS climate change now days..????
Posted: 12/21/2009 2:21:56 AM
There is also core sampling from the Arctic and Antarctic ice. They have been able to date the ice at different levels and sample the water/CO2 levels going back decade after decade and see the gradual increase. Nature left us all these great ways it see how we have screwed up. Mother Nature giving us a big "Told you so".
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 34 (view)
 
Are roadside memorials distracting for drivers?
Posted: 12/20/2009 1:23:11 AM

yes Australia has banned talking on cell phones while driving , and the have done the same with drinking alchol while driving.... but not with food or soft drink?
Thank god for that or I'd never get to eat during the day!


I find women in short skirts walking on the footpath pretty distracting too....please dont tear them down..
Now these ARE extremely dangerous and should not be allowed within 100 metres of a roadway. Not only is there the obvious accident danger but a gust of wind has caused me expensive chiropractic bills as well!Maybe we should build one metre high barriers along the kerbsides to avoid such incidents.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 175 (view)
 
EVERYTHINGS climate change now days..????
Posted: 12/19/2009 11:52:41 PM

planting into a grass species like clover or lucerne.....these two species in particular have a deep taproots that pump nitrogen back into the soil through its nodes. I still believe that tree planting on a massive scale is needed to reverse the damage caused by deforestation.

I didn't pay attention to the TYPE of grass that was already in the ground and it may well have been lucerne. They did say that if helped to RETAIN the fertiliser in the soil not consume it so that may be a clue.

No reason why we can't do both things. Greening Australia have been doing great things with tree belts to stop the deserts from shifting into farming lands in north-west Victoria. Other things they are doing in South Aussie and with seedbanks will help in the future. Tree planting has been shown to lower the water table and therefore reduce salt in the topsoil for crops. If we can also use large areas of farmland as carbon sinks then maybe there is hope for the future.

With the present rising levels in CO2 and the massive tree clearing going on in poorer countries we are stripping out the 'lungs of the earth'. Maybe one day not too far into the future we will have to build plants to turn water into Oxygen because of the lack of trees and you will have to buy it in tanks to get the 'pure' stuff.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 41 (view)
 
What Australian men can learn from the Tiger Woods fiasco
Posted: 12/19/2009 5:45:16 PM
Well there ARE possibilities here for new sponsors:

CONDOMS: "Worked 13 out of 14 times, a better guarantee than SOME forms of protection.

AFTERSHAVE: "Wanna REALLY pull the girls? I use ........ and look what it did for me!"

I'm sure there are others. ............
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 172 (view)
 
EVERYTHINGS climate change now days..????
Posted: 12/19/2009 5:38:16 PM
Here I was Sunday watching one of my favourite shows, Landline. These are repeated shows from earlier in the year and this item was on Soil Carbon Capture and the research by a Dr Christine Jones. The transcript is:
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/futuretense/stories/2009/2494524.htm

Some of the facts presented are:
Dr. Christine Jones: This year Australia will emit just over 600 million tonnes of carbon. We can sequester 685 million tonnes of carbon by increasing soil carbon by half a per cent on only 2% of the farms. If we increased it on all of the farms, we could sequester the whole world's emissions of carbon.

They can build something like between 25 and 30 tonnes of carbon for every tonne of product that they produce. They can be so far on the right side of the ledger that there's no need to fear being included in an emissions trading scheme.



Two years ago, 18 farmers in three states agreed to trial her ideas. In return, she'd pay them $25 a tonne for the carbon they built.


Well now the Fed Govt are the ones handing out the cheques as the pilot scheme has shown that the increase of carbon in the soil was around 35% or 8 tonnes of carbon per hectare. Farmers that took part can return more cash for the carbon capture than for the crop grown in the same area.

It basically involves NOT clearing land prior to sowing a crop but to sow crops INTO grassed paddocks. Rather than the grass competing for moisture with the wheat or corn it helps retain the moisture and fertiliser. So they are getting MORE than double the return from their land and NOT having to clear the land prior to sowing a crop.

Now can anybody see a downside in that?
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 171 (view)
 
EVERYTHINGS climate change now days..????
Posted: 12/19/2009 5:34:54 AM

The big advantage is the conversion of power generated at off peak times ( usually just wasted ) into storable hydro power that can be called up on demand.

So Wind Turbines rotate and produce power day and night. I don't know what the percentages are of power used overnight verses power used during the day. But you think the excess produced could/would be directed into something like the Pump Stored Hydro schemes where water is pumped back uphill to use again the following day. I wonder just how much 'night' power goes to waste that could be used 'elsewhere'.

Maybe another move toward conservation and better use of power is to move more industry to working nights to better use the available power supply. I know a few people who work permanant nightshift and my father worked in a factory that ran 24/7 forty-nine weeks of the year. I've worked in emergency services that work 24hrs and I suppose others are going to have to get used to doing just that as other shops and services work longer hours. I wonder how much power we would save if all those city buildings turned off the damn internal lights at night. Maybe shut down the air-con too.
 photoman001
Joined: 11/25/2006
Msg: 166 (view)
 
EVERYTHINGS climate change now days..????
Posted: 12/18/2009 7:42:39 AM
I didn't design it I just took the tour. Must be 20 years or more ago I was in Tassie at one site and another in NZ around 1985. I have just spent about half an hour studying Tassie Hydo and they called this "Pumped Storage" and although they acknowledge that they once used it they apparently don't now. They do mention several other countries that are using the system still. See
http://www.rise.org.au/info/Tech/hydro/large.html

I did also learned that there IS a 290km power cable between Tasmanian and Victoria where we take their excess Hydro power and they use our power from Loy Yang when the Hydro is running low. Obviously the drought has hurt that side of things as it has many others. It tells me though that Tassie still has 29 operating Hydro Power Stations.
 
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