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 Author Thread: The Awkward Date & subsequent resolution.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 8 (view)
 
The Awkward Date & subsequent resolution.
Posted: 8/6/2008 7:05:46 AM

We met at a lovely sushi restaurant.


You are new to dating so perhaps you don't understand that the first "meet and greet" should not be at a restaurant. Your first meeting should be a "coffee date" where either person can excuse themselves after a half hour if there is no attraction or interest.

We all have bad date experiences that we can look back and laugh about. Now you will have your own bad date stories to tell your friends.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 17 (view)
 
Older Parents And Their Kids
Posted: 8/6/2008 6:50:46 AM

Is this something that continues well into our children's adulthood? Or am I just a simple worry wart? Anyone have thoughts on this for me?


My sister has an autistic child who will need to be attended to all his life. In her case, she will spend the rest of her life dealing with his daily care. So, consider yourself lucky if you just have the normal problems of childhood to deal with.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Do people really have time to date??
Posted: 8/6/2008 6:46:00 AM

Are there men and ladies out there who have a full life and only want someone if they have a free slot where you can come round and stay in with them as they are so exausted by thier own social life it is the only free time they can offer you ... lol I do get put off by this. do you?


It's not that people don't have time; it's that they are not attracted enough to make the time. When a woman I'm interested in starts talking about how busy she is and why she can't see me, I understand that it really means "I'm not attracted enough to you to make time for you."
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 20 (view)
 
What to do?
Posted: 8/5/2008 7:15:30 AM

i dont know if i should just forget it and walk away
or if i should just stick it out and deal with it....
suggestions?comments?


Walk away and forget about her.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 16 (view)
 
Wanting to start a family after 50
Posted: 8/5/2008 7:13:14 AM

....these men are interested in dating much younger women, women who may want a family, so these older guys don't want to eliminate themselves from the dating pool; however, in reality, they probably have no desire to start a family after 45 or 50.


Yes, that's what is happening in most cases.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 16 (view)
 
Explain dating to me...
Posted: 8/4/2008 3:15:33 PM
For someone who is serious about finding a relationship, dating is the process of getting to know another peson to find out if there is compatibility and mutual attraction.

You may need to date a lot of people before you find "the one". I think that too many people choose inappropriate mates. The divorce rate seems to indicate that is true.

It's not easy and sometimes it's not fun, but it can be very rewarding if you find the right person. Internet dating is particularly hard for some people.

Don't rush things and don't compromise on what you want.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 18 (view)
 
how to go from friends to more...is it possible?
Posted: 8/4/2008 2:59:09 PM
Most of the advice posted on this thread is good.

One other thing you can do is to spend time away from the guy, perhaps by going on vacation or just not contacting him for a while. If he's interested, the fact that you are less available will make you more attractive. I know it sounds crazy, but that's often the way relationships work.

Good luck, and let us know what you end up doing and how it works out.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Am I wrong
Posted: 7/11/2008 4:04:23 PM

I wrote him back and told him that he seemed to be hiding something, and I didn't feel comfortable meeting him for the date. Instead of proving me wrong, he just tells me that I'm f-ing wrong about him hiding something and basically makes me feel like a freak for not going. My question is, Would anyone still go??


Absolutely NOT.

The guy is hiding something and he got angry and defensive when you called him on it. This is not the kind of person you want to date.

Personally I would immediately hang up on someone who used vulgar language like he did.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 2 (view)
 
where do the people who are REALLY ready go?
Posted: 7/11/2008 3:56:34 PM

My question is Where do you find the folks who are TRULY ready for a serious relationship, who have an open heart & their guards down?


I know several people who have met their "significant other" on Internet dating sites. It's only a small minority of the people on the sites but it does occasionally happen.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 46 (view)
 
Accepting My Alone-ness: How Can I Do So?
Posted: 7/10/2008 11:11:12 AM

I'm starting to think that I may never again enjoy the pleasure of a man's company on a date;


Why would you think that? There are plenty of single men out there. You just have to decide that you are ready to meet them and go out with them.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 30 (view)
 
Do men like it when women contact them first?
Posted: 7/3/2008 4:31:08 PM

It is upsetting to get up my courage and write to a man first and then not have them respond at all.


Men have to deal with this all the time. The men I've talked with say that they get about a 10% response rate from the Internet dating sites. The number one complaint from men is about the non responsiveness of women.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 27 (view)
 
Do men like it when women contact them first?
Posted: 7/3/2008 4:05:05 PM

He waits for her to make contact.....she waits for him to make contact.......contact is never made......is this like 2 ships passing in the night?


If a woman is being contacted by the men she likes, then there is no reason to initiate contact. If she is not getting the contacts she wants, perhaps it's time to take a little initiative.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 5 (view)
 
Do men like it when women contact them first?
Posted: 7/3/2008 10:17:07 AM

I believe that, secretly, most men want to be the pursuer, from the beginning. Am I right or wrong about that?


The men I've talked with don't have any problem with a woman making first contact. In fact, many men have given up making first contact because of the low response rate and general lack of interest from women.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 161 (view)
 
The instant chemistry demand
Posted: 7/2/2008 6:47:25 AM

Its only the ones who claim they make their decision irrevocably in the first 5 minutes, or 5 seconds, who I contend are being extremely shallow and shortchanging the other person AND themselves!


When I talk with young, single women (20's thru 40's), they often tell me that they have lots of men interested in them. Since they can't spend time dating all of them they need some criteria for sorting out which ones they want to date and which they don't. I can understand why they will use the "instant chemistry" demand to make this decision.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Dating out of your league.
Posted: 7/2/2008 6:32:46 AM

So about time too HERE IS MY QUESTION, can you really date out of your league, can a working class man really date a Lady, could a shop girl marry a Lord and would they be accepted in society as if they were born there? What do you think?


In the US it is realistic to date someone from a different class, race, ethnic group, or religion. These differences are accepted much more than in England.

There are still difficulties when people from different backgrounds get together and some of these differences have become the subject of movies.

And now we have a Presidential candidate that is a mixture of racial backgrounds.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 87 (view)
 
Settling
Posted: 7/2/2008 6:21:36 AM

I like attraction to be a part of dating for me, and if it's not there in the first 5 minutes or so, it's never going to be.


I know several couples that have long and happy marriages that say they were not attracted when they first met. These people worked with each other and so they got to know each other in a non-dating environment. They got to see each other in a variety of situations every day. As they got to know each other the attraction grew.

For some people, attraction can develop as you get to know the other person.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 133 (view)
 
The instant chemistry demand
Posted: 7/1/2008 7:39:04 AM

I don't care what anyone thinks, I am not wasting my time on men I am not attracted to.


I know several people who said that they were not initially attracted to their partners. Over time, as they got to know the person the love and attraction grew. Several of these people have gone on to long and happy relationships and marriages.

If you are looking for a LTR, perhaps you could give people a chance even though there are not instant fireworks.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 112 (view)
 
The instant chemistry demand
Posted: 6/30/2008 6:06:11 PM

I didn't have any spark with my guy when I first met him. And after a few dates, I backed off. After about a month or so with not seeing him, we started dating again. Not sure what made me change my mind.


Wow. A woman that will actually give a man a chance to get to know him. In my experience that's pretty rare.

Women that are having trouble finding the "man of their dreams" could learn from this.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 95 (view)
 
The instant chemistry demand
Posted: 6/30/2008 11:51:34 AM

Sometimes, the guy seems great, but he's just not what I am looking for. I've said "I had a great time, but I just don't feel the chemistry (or that we're a good match)"


You are doing the right thing by telling the guys you aren't interested. A lot of women are afraid to do this and instead "go silent", refusing to respond to telephone calls or e-mails.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 209 (view)
 
Happy Hookers?
Posted: 6/30/2008 11:47:20 AM

Let me see if I have this straight. A man who has sex with a prostitute will not feel satisfied because deep down he knows she won't bear his offspring. OK, a man who has sex with a woman who had a hystorectomy knows deep down she won't bear his offspring either. I suppose you could ague that the guy can look elsewhere and I'd rather let the women deal with that one. So, if a man has a vasectomy, does that mean he can't ever have a satisfying sexual relationship because deep down his brain knows he won't be making babies?


And by the poster's logic, a man can not be satisfied with sex with a woman past menopause. A man who uses a condom can't be satisfied with sex. And forget about having sex with a woman on birth control pills or one with an IUD. Just not satisfying.

By this logic, a man who only wants 2 children could end up having sex only twice in his life.

It's amazing how out of touch with reality some people are.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 67 (view)
 
Settling
Posted: 6/30/2008 11:30:27 AM

I'm not suggesting that people should settle or lower their standards. But there is nothing wrong with having more flexible standards and dating someone who isn't exactly your ideal type.


The trick is to figure out just how much you can be flexible and where you draw the line. Most people I know are not willing to date people that they do not feel physically attracted to.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 65 (view)
 
Settling
Posted: 6/30/2008 11:11:26 AM

One guy who she was wildly passionate about was a player, and the other was a long term friend that she loved to death, but wasn't interested in him romantically (he had recently expressed his interest in her romantically).


I've known several women in this situation. They usually tell me that they just can't make themselves be attracted to the loyal, faithful, "nice guy" friend.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 152 (view)
 
Do women need to work at it harder after 45?
Posted: 6/30/2008 10:51:07 AM

.....It’s easier than admitting that the fault lies within themselves; that their lack of positive personality and character traits, and their lack of physical appeal, is what turns a lot of women away.


This is very true. If a man has limited social skills, lacks positive personality traits, has poor conversational skills, or lacks physical appeal, women will not be atracted to him. Money and social status alone won't make a man attractive.

I think that many men are in denial about how important it is to present themselves well when they are meeting a woman.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 13 (view)
 
The instant chemistry demand
Posted: 6/29/2008 12:02:41 PM

So, what says the POF community? Are you looking for that "first 5 minute fireworks" and is it a total showstopper if its not there that quickly?


I think that people are able to tell pretty quickly whether they are attracted or not. This initial attraction is based on appearance and personality.

Perhaps one way of looking at it is that after a few minutes people can be put into one of three categories:

1.) Definately not attracted - this is fairly common.
2.) Acceptable - This happens quite frequently
3.) Definately attracted - This is less common. This is the "fireworks" case.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 65 (view)
 
Is Text Messaging Making It Even Harder?
Posted: 6/29/2008 11:42:08 AM

...BUT when it gets to the level of trying to manage and resolve relationship issues / arguements it is useless and a very, very poor and immature way to handle a relationship...... and needless to say is usually a one way ticket to relationship failure in most cases.......


That's right. Don't get sucked in by someone who hides behind text messaging.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 27 (view)
 
Is Text Messaging Making It Even Harder?
Posted: 6/28/2008 7:45:04 AM

So, my point is, whats with the texts?


Texting is for kids. A real woman will never ask you to text her rather than call.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 10 (view)
 
Why make plans for 2nd date and then never call???????
Posted: 6/27/2008 7:31:26 AM

Then Thursday came the day of our date which I had already decided if he did call I wasn't going to go and NEVER CALLED...anyone every have an experience like this ...the only thing that keeps running through my head is , there are some real looney tunes out there and oh yeah WTF


I've never had anything like this happen. When a guy fails to follow through on plans like that it shows that he is not a responsible or considerate person. You are better off without him.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 24 (view)
 
She says she needs a break.
Posted: 6/27/2008 7:24:27 AM

It really has just been a couple of months of total frustration. (that alone should tell me something i guess)


If you've been experiencing that much frustration it sounds like you've been in a one sided relationship. You are smitten with her, but she considers you as "only a friend".

Your best bet is to move on and date other women. Forget about her. If she contacts you when she returns from Columbia you will need to decide whether to continue this. It could continue to be endless frustration if she doesn't feel the romantic attraction to you.

I can tell you from personal experience that it is horrible to be in a one sided relationship. Good luck to you.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 8 (view)
 
'You're my best friend...'
Posted: 6/27/2008 7:14:38 AM

Attempting to jump from "friend" ladder to "romance" ladder usually results in jumper ending up in the abyss.


In my experience, once you are in the "friend zone" there is no way the woman will ever have any romantic interest in you. To her you are like a brother.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Cultural Differences?
Posted: 6/24/2008 9:00:43 PM

The only time we spend is sexual and grabbing a quick bite to eat.


He likes you for sex and as an eating companion. If that's what you want, he's your guy.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 34 (view)
 
Does life make any sense...or thousand senses?
Posted: 6/24/2008 2:32:33 PM

I think a good chunk of our lives is played out by the choices we make.


That's a pretty profound observation. We all make thousands of small choices every day. The sum of all those choices define who we are and how other people see us.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 23 (view)
 
Moved to fast
Posted: 6/24/2008 2:20:05 PM

I meet someone on here one year ago .... only to find out she is an alcoholic


How long should it take to see that someone is an alcoholic? Can people really hide it for months? I would think that the signs would be obvious after a few weeks of dating.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 10 (view)
 
GEtting married= must have children? and v v.
Posted: 6/24/2008 2:13:54 PM

3. Are childless married couples selfish?


No. There is absolutely nothing "selfish" about not having children. I don't understand how any intelligent person could think this way.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 18 (view)
 
Dating What's it all about Alfie
Posted: 6/24/2008 2:09:41 PM

....Of those, only the women who actually like dating would be fun to go out with. That would be fine with me but such women are imaginary.


I agree that women that actually like dating seem to be imaginary.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 187 (view)
 
What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/24/2008 1:56:40 PM

...men would be much much much more satisfied with their sex lives! : )


And maybe we would see less complaining from women about the men who "only want one thing".
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 220 (view)
 
Are men over 40 more afraid to approach women?
Posted: 6/23/2008 6:23:11 PM

I have even seen on a profile of a 43 year old woman "if you email and I am interested I will reply". I ask you, what self respecting man would even bother to write to this woman.


I suspect that there would be quite a few men that would write to this woman. There are far more men looking for women than women looking for men on the Internet dating sites so the women can be very selective. This woman is just being honest and stating up front what the majority of women do anyway.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 27 (view)
 
Formulas
Posted: 6/23/2008 6:17:51 PM

...most of the good material isn't about "faking" anything, it's about presenting the real you in a format that invites the other person in at a pace they're comfortable with.


That right. Learning better social skills, developing a better presentation and communicating who you are can help to improve your dating and romantic life.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 11 (view)
 
Silver haired dancing machines your thoughts.
Posted: 6/23/2008 3:50:11 PM

Anyone else have this happen? Or am I just being stuffy?


I think you are being too critical. You should watch people dancing and then you can tell which men dance the way you would like.

If this is your biggest problem in life, I'd say that things are pretty darn good for you.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 17 (view)
 
Does he or doesn't he????
Posted: 6/23/2008 3:15:00 PM

You need to move on. He may be nice, he may have good intentions, but nothing is going to change. If you aren't happy with this situation now, you never will be. And you know, nobody should feel lonely when they are IN a relationship.


I agree. You need to move on and find someone that does have the time for you.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 24 (view)
 
Formulas
Posted: 6/23/2008 3:07:36 PM

Some of these guys are more than just "pick up artists." They are more about self help.


That's right. If men can learn better social skills and learn to present themselves better to women, then the self help information can be very useful.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 180 (view)
 
What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/23/2008 12:12:59 PM

Having a girlfriend might be ideal...


But there are a lot of guys that for one reason or another can't attract a girl friend.

Do any of the women have suggestions about how man with limited social skills or disabilities might be able to get their needs met without using an escort or prostitute?
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 50 (view)
 
Do women need to work at it harder after 45?
Posted: 6/23/2008 12:00:55 PM

Many women seem to respond w/ the 'I'd rather be alone than settle for less than I want'.......which is precisely what many of my male friends did thru their late teens/20s. Those men concentrated on their education/career & are now in the position to get exactly what they want.


This is the natural result of the fact that there are far more single men than single women in the younger age groups. When I talk with single women in their 20s through early 40s, they tell me that they get lots of attention from men and have lots of offers for dates. Many of them say they get "hit on" by men all the time. Single guys in this age group often find it very difficult to get dates.

When women get into their late 50s and above, the pool of single men dries up. Women in this age group often tell me there are no men their age interested in them. The response of many women is to say "I'm perfectly happy being single and I'm not interested in having a man in my life"
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 10 (view)
 
Formulas
Posted: 6/23/2008 10:26:50 AM

What I find amusing is there are so many people writing collumns, books , and appearing on talk shows giving us the "formula " to get laid , increase dating frequency , find the woman / man of our dreams.


I have to disagree with the premise that self help information is useless. There is a lot of good advice available to help people improve many aspects of their lives.

If I want to learn how to fix my car or get the weeds out of my lawn I'll look for information on how to do these things. Similarly, If I am looking for ways to improve my social skills and appearance it seems reasonable to look for information on how to do this.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 43 (view)
 
Second chances
Posted: 6/23/2008 9:46:59 AM

Why on the internet are people so harsh! Why if you have a spat, is it the end of the friendship you were building on the way to meeting?


Written communication is very limiting and sterile. When a person sees something they don't like or don't agree with, they assume the worst about the other person and terminate the communication.

I've come to accept this as normal for Internet dating. People are going to reject you for all kinds of silly reasons which you will never know. Just move on and don't worry about it.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 45 (view)
 
Do women need to work at it harder after 45?
Posted: 6/23/2008 9:38:18 AM

So my question is, is there double standards for maintenence of looks and youthful appearance with older daters? Are women more accepting and forgiving when it comes to those types of things?


As we get into our 50s and older the ratio of single women to single men increases dramatically. It's not so much a "double standard", but rather a result of the number of people available for dating at different ages.

It does seem to me that a fair number of single women over 50 have decided that it's just not worth the time and effort to take care of their appearance. I've met quite a few women in this age group that say they are perfectly happy without a man and they have given up looking or even trying.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 51 (view)
 
Settling
Posted: 6/15/2008 4:18:54 PM

I guess it depends on the woman, but I think one man who is into you is better than a new man every week.


Probably a more reasonable question: Is it better to be with a man who meets 80% of your wants or to be alone and wishing for someone who meets 100% of your wants?
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 22 (view)
 
Is this wrong?
Posted: 6/15/2008 12:50:28 PM

Am I the only one here who thinks the real red flag is that the OP quit her job to be with a guy she's been dating only 3 weeks?


I saw that too. I think the OP is too young to understand how dating and relationships work. She has a lot of growing up to do still.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Sense of humor?. Let's talk about it.
Posted: 6/15/2008 12:43:29 PM

So,was he funny? or just plain MEAN?


Humor is a strange thing. What some people find offensive, others find funny. There are a lot of comedians that think vulgarity and profanity is funny. And what about some of the movies these days? Vulgarity and profanity seems to be all the rage.

If you don't "get" someone's sense of humor, you won't be a good match for them. Move on.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 14 (view)
 
becoming a father in middle age
Posted: 6/15/2008 12:35:53 PM

But, seriously, what do you think of an older man w/ lil kids????


It's fine for them, but not for me.
 Golconda
Joined: 12/14/2006
Msg: 165 (view)
 
What if Prostitution was Legal?
Posted: 6/15/2008 12:32:24 PM
Men with disabilities or handicaps that have trouble attracting women would benefit greatly if prostitution were legal. I know several men like this. They are good people, but they don't have the social skills to attract a woman. If they could get their sexual needs met, they would be much happier people. As it is now, they have to endure a forced abstinence.
 
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