Seems to me anyone who would go to the extent to look up 5 different articles to prove someone wrong ... ummmmmmm .... ... may be experiencing a little obsession ... or something?

But here is an article that states that he is not the father of the two oldest children. I think that Ms. Rowe was basically saying that she never had sex with MJ.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/28/debbie-rowe-michael-is-no_n_222027.html

some of us don't believe in replacing political debate with third grade name calling.

For the purposes of this thread - I condone murder of a the most heinous child criminals by inmates in prison.

Peopl shouldn't try to buy homes they know they can't afford. People shouldn't be making babies they know they cannot affort to raise and send to college. The cycle of poverty will never be broken until peopl change their behaviors and theri priorities. Blaming the rich is a easy scapegoat for removing the responsibility from the person who cannot behave in a responsible manner and has their priorities all wrong.

When I lose my house I will just blame the rich for my poor decision to buy the house to begin with. That's the easy way out.


I tell you what...I don't blame the rich man for anything beause a poor man will not provide me with a job.

A man's character is not judged by whether he bought his first house at 19, or has 3 Hummers in the driveway. It's what he does for the people who can't do for themselves.

I guess I just really like to get to know a person before "making a move" ... dating 389346984694369432 people ... jumping from women to women and hoping to find the right one aint my style. Too much headaches.

Everything you listed was a physical characteristic. That has ZERO to do with lasting happiness.

I don't know about other people, but if I was raped and got pregnant and ended up having the baby I would love that baby no matter what it looked like, and if I was married and he didn't like it he could shove off. I don't think I'd want to be married to someone who didn't have the capacity to raise a child that isn't his anyway.

What if the chemist found somebody stealing a pack of condoms in his store? Would he cut off the bloke's d*ck?

MJ also said that he fathered his own children which we now know was a lie thanks to DNA testing.

The problem is too many stupid people who beleive it is the responsability of customers to support lousy business practises with "gratuities"...if i go to a gas station and buy 20 bucks worth of gas should i have to pay an additional 5 or ten dollars because the station owner is to"cheap" to pay his employees better....restraunt owners are scumbags who hire anybody they can for next to nothing,charge 30 bucks for 5 bucks worth of food....then expect customers to pay extra for their employees.

agreed, but the servers shouldn't be penalized for the actions of their scumbag employers

Don't get me wrong, had SHE sent the right signals, sure. . . I'd have had her in the sack poste haste!

The real disservice the media is doing is telling awkward looking guys they can get perfect 10s.

Honestly this is just retarded as a comparison. Of COURSE the women look like that in PORNOGRAPHY MARKETED TO MEN. Men don't LOOK at the "body" of a guy in porn, know what i'm saying?

Try watching some porn geared to WOMEN. Lots of hardbodies there. So save it, it's tough for everyone.

Ah...! I see... it's not based on the right-wing wingnut break-from-reality of the editorial quoted in the OP...

It's based on the mere fact that she is a woman... nothing more... women shouldn't have to worry thier 'purty li'l heads' about such stuff... that's 'fer the men-folk'... we've got to protect the poor little dears...

...even from thier own ambitions, eh...?

For jews, it is a way to prevent sex before marriage.

^^^Where did I say I was ashamed?

But leave it to us Texans to use a shotgun to kill a housefly. . .

Would James Byrd have been dragged behind a truck if he wasn't black? Were you aware that one of the the perps bore nazi symbols and the words "Aryan Pride" as tatts? These white supremacists are just looking for people to lynch.

Would Matt Shepard have been targetted if he wasn't gay? The defendants in the trial argued that they were driven to insanity by alleged sexual advances of Shepard - so why would that not be a hate crime? Legislation is also needed to prevent the Phelps clan of Westboro Baptist church from assembling at the funerals of gays and war veterans, which otherwise, would not be a crime.

In both of these examples these victims would probably still be here except for the fact that someone targetted them because they weren't white anglo-saxon protestants...........

The Murders of Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Pena (Warning: Brutal Descriptions

Jennifer Ertman and Elizabeth Pena were 14 and 16 years old, respectively. They were friends who attended the same high school in Houston, Texas, Waltrip High School. On June 24, 1993, the girls spent the day together....and then died together.

They were last seen by friends about 11:15 at night, when they left a friend's apartment to head home, to beat summer curfew at 11:30. They knew they would be late if they took the normal path home, down W. 34th Street to T.C. Jester, both busy streets. They also knew they would have to pass a sexually-oriented business on that route and so decided to take a well-known shortcut down a railroad track and through a city park to Elizabeth's neighborhood.

The next morning, the girls parents began to frantically look for them, paging them on their pagers, calling their friends to see if they knew where they were, to no avail. The families filed missing persons reports with the Houston Police Department and continued to look for the girls on their own. The Ertmans and Penas gathered friends and neighbors to help them pass out a huge stack of fliers with the girls' pictures all over the Houston area, even giving them to newspaper vendors on the roadside.

Four days after the girls disappeared, a person identifying himself as 'Gonzalez' called the Crimestoppers Tips number. He told the call taker that the missing girls' bodies could be found near T.C. Jester Park at White Oak bayou. The police were sent to the scene and searched the park without finding anything. The police helicopter was flying over the park and this apparently prompted Mr. 'Gonzalez' to make a 911 call, directing the search to move to the other side of the bayou. When the police followed this suggestion, they found the badly decaying bodies of Jenny and Elizabeth.

Jennifer Ertman's dad, Randy Ertman, was about to give an interview regarding the missing girls to a local television reporter when the call came over a cameraman's police scanner that two bodies had been found. Randy commandeered the news van and went to the scene that was now bustling with police activity. My first knowledge of the death of Jennifer was seeing Randy, on the news that evening, screaming at the police officers who were struggling to hold him back, "Does she have blond hair?? DOES SHE HAVE BLOND HAIR?!!?"

Fortunately, they did manage to keep Randy from entering the woods and seeing his daughter's brutalized body and that of her friend Elizabeth, but they were unable to escape that fate themselves. I saw hardened, lifelong cops get tears in their eyes when talking about the scene more than a year later. The bodies were very badly decomposed, even for four days in Houston's brutal summer heat and humidity, particularly in the head, neck and genital areas. The medical examiner later testified that this is how she could be sure as to the horrible brutality of the rapes, beatings and murders.

The break in solving the case came from, of course, the 911 call. It was traced to the home of the brother of one of the men later sentenced to death for these murders. When the police questioned 'Gonzalez', he said that he had made the original call at his 16 year-old wife's urging. She felt sorry for the families and wanted them to be able to put their daughters' bodies to rest. 'Gonzalez' said that his brother was one of the six people involved in killing the girls, and gave police the names of all but one, the new recruit, whom he did not know.

His knowledge of the crimes came from the killers themselves, most of whom came to his home after the murders, bragging and swapping the jewelry they had stolen from the girls.

While Jenny and Elizabeth were living the last few hours of their lives, Peter Cantu, Efrain Perez, Derrick Sean O'Brien, Joe Medellin and Joe's 14 year old brother were initiating a new member, Raul Villareal, into their gang, known as the Black and Whites. Raul was an acquaintance of Efrain and was not known to the other gang members. They had spent the evening drinking beer and then "jumping in" Raul. This means that the new member was required to fight every member of the gang until he passed out and then he would be accepted as a member. Testimony showed that Raul lasted through three of the members before briefly losing consciousness.

The gang continued drinking and 'shooting the breeze' for some time and then decided to leave. Two brothers who had been with them but testified that they were not in the gang left first and passed Jenny and Elizabeth, who were unknowingly walking towards their deaths. When Peter Cantu saw Jenny and Elizabeth, he thought it was a man and a woman and told the other gang members that he wanted to jump him and beat him up. He was frustrated that he had been the one who was unable to fight Raul.

The gang members ran and grabbed Elizabeth and pulled her down the incline, off of the tracks. Testimony showed that Jenny had gotten free and could have run away but returned to Elizabeth when she cried out for Jenny to help her.

For the next hour or so, these beautiful, innocent young girls were subjected to the most brutal gang rapes that most of the investigating officers had ever encountered. The confessions of the gang members that were used at trial indicated that there was never less than 2 men on each of the girls at any one time and that the girls were repeatedly raped orally, anally and vaginally for the entire hour. One of the gang members later said during the brag session that by the time he got to one of the girls, "she was loose and sloppy." One of the boys boasted of having 'virgin blood' on him.

The 14-year-old juvenile later testified that he had gone back and forth between his brother and Peter Cantu since they were the only ones there that he really knew and kept urging them to leave. He said he was told repeatedly by Peter Cantu to "get some". He raped Jennifer and was later sentenced to 40 years for aggravated sexual assault, which was the maximum sentence for a juvenile.

When the rapes finally ended, the horror was not over. The gang members took Jenny and Elizabeth from the clearing into a wooded area, leaving the juvenile behind, saying he was "too little to watch". Jenny was strangled with the belt of Sean O'Brien, with two murderers pulling, one on each side, until the belt broke. Part of the belt was left at the murder scene, the rest was found in O'Brien's home. After the belt broke, the killers used her own shoelaces to finish their job. Medellin later complained that "the bïtch wouldn't die" and that it would have been "easier with a gun". Elizabeth was also strangled with her shoelaces, after crying and begging the gang members not to kill them; bargaining, offering to give them her phone number so they could get together again.

The medical examiner testified that Elizabeth's two front teeth were knocked out of her brutalized mouth before she died and that two of Jennifer's ribs were broken after she had died. Testimony showed that the girls' bodies were kicked and their necks were stomped on after the strangulations in order to "make sure that they were really dead."

The juvenile pled guilty to his charge and his sentence will be reviewed when he turns 18, at which time he could be released. The other five were tried for capital murder in Harris County, Texas, convicted and sentenced to death. I attended all five trials with the Ertmans and know too well the awful things that they and the Penas had to hear and see in the course of seeing Justice served for their girls.

Two VERY important things in the criminal justice system have changed as a result of these murders. After the trial of Peter Cantu, Judge Bill Harmon allowed the family members to address the convicted. This had not previously been done in Texas courts and now is done as a matter of routine.

The other change came from the Texas Department of Corrections which instituted a new policy allowing victims' families the choice and right to view the execution of their perpetrators.

And ? Who are you ? moral police ?
Unless she complains for sexual harassment ~ or they do something going against company policy. It's none of your business.
You can't control people's comments, ideas, thoughts ~ it's a free country. You were not even invited to that conversation.

From what I could tell, he has no interest in her beyond that

Well the first thing they can do is open the other 30 damn registers so that we don't have to stand in one 45-minute line. That would be a nice "impact" on my shopping experience there. As it stands, as soon as I can afford it, I am going to stick to Albertson's and Target.

If Walmart were so great, why are there so many movements by CONSUMERS to avoid it or ban it from communities outright?

She's not interested in you. If she was, she wouldn't always mention the alleged boyfriend. You don're REALLY care about the alleged friendship. So just move on already

To me it seems the ones who are of the "...and realize that happiness comes from within" are much more likely to be of the MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) variety and not buy into the alpha/wuss dichotomy at all.

Freckles are the least of your problem dating phenomena. So maybe it's you.

You want to fix baseball get rid of 4-6 teams and you will have a better pitching pool.

No, I'm not. I'm operating under the KNOWLEDGE that the motivating factor, for the vast majority of people, is to provide for themselves and their families.

But we want MORE than what we need. We want to live in excess. How many f**king times do I have to make this point. The sole fact that we WANT more than we need, the fact that we want bigger homes, cleaner carpet, endless supplies of food.. the fact that we DESIRE EXCESS, that we are greedy, is the VERY reason that drives us to innovate, to constant improve our conditions, and to live more comfortable lives.

When my errors are pointed out, I don't cry and whine about some supposed condescending tone, I examine my beliefs and adjust them in accordance with reason and analysis. Anyone who refuses to ever alter their beliefs in light of such things are embracing ignorance. If someone corrects you and backs it up, don't feel slighted, feel grateful.