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 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 9 (view)
 
Convection Ovens
Posted: 4/29/2008 1:52:27 PM
I've had convection in the past and find it really good for cooking meat (best turkey ever if you do it right!) Frozen foods like french fries and fish sticks come out so much more crunchy than in regular ovens as well. You do have to be very careful when baking as it can very quickly burn things if you are not watching closely.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
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The Essential Guide to Courting a Male Geek
Posted: 4/28/2008 9:53:43 PM
Learning basic social skills is not something that comes naturally to everyone. It's not a matter of being narrow minded so much as just not knowing how to do it. I personally have been socially awkward practically my entire life. It becomes far easier to put on a false internet persona and hide behind your computer than to go out and face real people...and real face-to-face rejection. I've come out of my shell greatly as I've matured, but it's not been an easy journey for me by any means...and the idea of going someplace like a singles bar would still be a pretty frightening prospect for me.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 79 (view)
 
The Essential Guide to Courting a Male Geek
Posted: 4/28/2008 7:42:27 PM
Boy, when I think of all the months and months I wasted playing Diablo and accumulating loads of wealth.... wish I could have those hours back to put into my software programming to make some *real* wealth!
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 248 (view)
 
what if your soul mate is NOT financial stable
Posted: 4/27/2008 11:13:32 AM

But the most compelling data of all is a recent report I read ( cant remmebr where but I will find it for the skeptics if need be ) that clearly shows thet White Collar Professionals, Executives ( male or female ). who are succesful at their careers do NOT make the best, or even near the best, husbands, wives or mates.


That's certainly not surprising. It's a fairly obvious fact that to be highly successful in many careers means more than a typical 9-to-5 job, and long hours and over-emphasis on career is hardly conducive to a good relationship.

Personally I always find it interesting that so many guys tell me that all a women cares about is what kind of car they drive and how expensive a place they go to eat, etc. I guess I am at the other end of the scale because I love to see someone that is sensible enough to drive a cheap car until it falls apart and doesn't see the need to pay ridiculous prices to eat out (other than on rare special occasions perhaps), etc. I do think a lot of times people that don't make a lot of money just learn to manage it better in general as a matter of survival, whereas the higher your income is, the easier it is to accumulate a lot of debt and get into serious trouble....there's more of the pressure to drive an expensive car, and have a big house, etc. even when you can't afford it when you are in that white collar professional category. But that kind of lifestyle is moving further and further out of reach for more people.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 240 (view)
 
what if your soul mate is NOT financial stable
Posted: 4/26/2008 10:04:15 PM
I think people are confusing being financially stable with being financially responsible. I couldn't really care if someone makes $30K a year or $30 billion a year, you can be in either category and not able to manage your finances. This doesn't mean *never* making a mistake with finances, or never losing a job, etc. Heaven knows I have had my share of bumps in the road as well and could always be doing better with saving money. But no one wants to hook themselves up to someone that is going to spend all their hard-earned money and not look for a job themselves. That overspends and accumulates way more debt that is reasonable. Or worse, that gambles compulsively. There are definitely people that are addicted to spending money or that don't see a need to work if someone else in the household is working and paying the bills, etc. I would agree that finances should not have anything to do with loving and being attracted to someone, and it certainly doesn't for me. But if I see issues like these, I sure as heck would think about hooking my wagon to that person for the rest of my life. Anymore than I would marry someone that I saw compulsively drinking or using drugs, or otherwise doing things that are destructive to a relationship.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
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Do singles like me have a problem?
Posted: 4/26/2008 9:50:38 PM
Have you considered just dating older women that have older children themselves? Maybe you are just targeting the wrong women. A women that is 40 is only 6 years older than you, that's not a huge difference, particularly as you get older. If you are in a situation that tends to make you appear further along in life than most people your age, the natural thing to do is date in a slightly higher age bracket.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
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The Essential Guide to Courting a Male Geek
Posted: 4/26/2008 9:42:05 PM

Nothing sad in my eyes about remembering one of the greatest episodes of the original Star Trek series.

Yes, and definitely not a tough thing for any geek to remember. A true Trek fan can also rattle off the name of the DS9 episode featuring the tribbles, the name of the trader who was responsible for bringing on the first tribble, the Klingon spy they exposed... and the truly geeky even recall how many tribbles Mr. Spock so casually states are in the grain bin. Googling it doesn't count.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
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The Essential Guide to Courting a Male Geek
Posted: 4/23/2008 6:33:00 AM
Being a geek myself I just wish there were more of you out there! I love a geek that stands up and embraces their geekness fully. And would be happy to have a good debate over whether Star Wars or Star Trek is better. LOL
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
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Any advice on disabled dating?
Posted: 4/21/2008 9:23:55 AM
I'll add that from your description of the "other" dating site that you are using, I tried it as well and found it was absolutely the worst for actually getting to the point of going on a date with someone. Huge, huge waste of money for me at least. I do find there are dating sites that work better than this one for me (it just seems when people are paying for the service, they take it a bit more seriously) but that one was definitely not one of them!
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 10 (view)
 
Why cant people see the good in someone's heart an attitude an be atracted to that ?
Posted: 4/20/2008 9:39:51 PM
I can only imagine how difficult it is for someone in your position to find someone who can look past the physical. I am self-sufficient, own my own house and business, have a good retirement fund saved up, am intelligent, witty and a good-hearted person, yet find it very difficult getting any interest from men, since I'm not particularly good-looking and struggle with my weight, as well as some chronic pain issues, that only somewhat limit what I can do, but seem to be a turn-off for many people. I try to accept it as just how our society is and cherish those friendships that I do have, but dream of finding the right person that I can truly open my heart and mind up to and will see past the physical. But neither am I willing to just watch my life pass by and wait for it to happen. I am spending more time doing charity work and helping others, so even if I do end up spending my life alone, I'll still feel like my life had meaning and purpose. I do think that by sharing your heart with the world, you have the best chance to find someone that also cherishes that over more materialistic things.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 24 (view)
 
Your opinion- Is there a double standard with women requirements vrs mens?
Posted: 4/18/2008 9:45:58 PM
The question not answered is not the requirement, its the
why would someone get offended by a Physical requirement, when they based their own questionaire on physical requirements?


Well no, that wasn't what you asked, you asked: "What do you think? Is it OK for women to have LOOKS requirements and not MEN?" As many have stated, there are PLENTY of men that have looks requirements. I'd guess more than women do, as the shallow women tend to care more about money and how much you will spend on them. And I'd be willing to bet the men would respond in a similar fashion. Is it a double-standard? Probably, but a lot of these people are pretty shallow and often have a sense of entitlement...they think they are "all that" and are insulted by the very idea that any one for any reason at all does not think the same.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 56 (view)
 
Is it alright to point out your partners flaws?
Posted: 4/18/2008 9:35:46 PM

Unfortunately, the libido-challenging 30 pounds is quite likely to turn into a libido-killing 60 or 90 or 120 pounds if nothing is said. So, here we have two people who sincerely like and/or love one another playing stupid tippy-toes games as they slowly, sadly slide away from passion. Who's the winner here? Neither.

Well, that's all well and good but the simple fact is that just telling someone about their flaws simply is not helpful....and generally just leads to hurt feelings and anger, because it implies they are not smart enough to figure it out on their own. For instance, if my partner constantly nagged me about 30 pounds and went on and on about the health risks...I'd get pretty peeved at them in short order. If however, they invited me to go to the gym with them, or to drive out to do some hiking, ride bikes together, help fix some low-cal meals, etc. that is a far better approach to helping me solve the problem without seeming judgmental.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 55 (view)
 
Is it alright to point out your partners flaws?
Posted: 4/18/2008 9:27:59 PM
Only if it's done with humor! I love to tease and as far as I'm concerned anything is fair game when it's in good fun. But if someone is really sensitive about something, that's definitely off limits. And to be honest, if I do something annoying that bothers my partner, I'd rather know about it than go through life oblivious, because I *will* try to change things if it's something I can easily fix. If however they constantly nag me about something that I already know is a problem and struggle with on my own...that most definitely is not appreciated.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
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I can't figure him out...Help??
Posted: 4/18/2008 9:23:49 PM
If not knowing is bothering you, I would ask. But there are ways to do it without seeming desperate. You could for instance talk to him about how much his friendship means and simply ask if he sees anything else developing, but that if not, you will still cherish the friendship and enjoy your time together just as friends. If he knows about your divorce, you could even mention that you just need a little clarity in terms of whether to open yourself up emotionally. Being open is not a bad thing, you just don't want to make it seem like you are judging him or expecting anything.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 136 (view)
 
the sleep issue
Posted: 4/18/2008 9:05:00 AM
Yes, sleep apnea is very common (particularly men) that are overweight. C-pap machines though are pretty noisy and take some getting used to. Surgery is definitely risky and not always effective.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
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why cant women look past disabilities.
Posted: 4/18/2008 8:58:49 AM
There are superficial people of both genders and there certainly are plenty of them on here, so it's best just to consider it part of the process and know that anyone that has an issue with it isn't the right person for you. You have to see it as an issue with the other person, and not with yourself and move forward with confidence that you will find the right person. I've dated a number of men with physical issues, probably the most severe being a guy with cerebral palsy, and had a close friend that was basically similar to you in that she had severe hearing loss and had to wear hearing aids most of the time, and I had to be aware of talking to her so she could read my lips to help with comprehension. She was a wonderful person and one of the best friends that I've had in my life. I have often found people with disabilities that they have overcome and accepted often have a strength of character and acceptance of others as well that is very appealing. There are plenty of people out there that are accepting of it as well.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 127 (view)
 
the sleep issue
Posted: 4/17/2008 5:14:02 PM
I've yet to date a guy that isn't a snorer. Haven't found memory foam yet that helps with that.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 413 (view)
 
Pets in Bed
Posted: 4/17/2008 4:09:49 PM
I loved the dog...it was the most gentle kind sweet pet and loved me....but I just could not deal with all that extra work....I do realize a lot of people are big animal lovers , so im sure i will get flamed with this post


Not from me....I wish more people really understood how much work a pet (particularly dogs) can be and didn't just get one "for the kids" or for whatever other reason they might have. It's one reason so many end up in shelters, because people don't have time to properly socialize, exercise, train and care for them, etc. My sis and her husband have two dogs for instance that are just so poorly cared for (as they both work and have two young kids) that it just breaks my heart when I see them all matted and dirty, overweight, etc. Another brother got a c0cker spaniel for the kids (didn't tell me they were getting him or ask my opinion on the best breed for their family, etc.) and he was just such a hyper, active dog, and they have the time to train him, and so he got locked outside all the time because he just was too much for them to handle in the house. A year later, they asked me to find a new home for him, as he was developing all kinds of issues like barking and digging, common in dogs left alone outside for long periods of time. It's a far, far too common story.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 172 (view)
 
Sex in new relationships, how long should you wait?.
Posted: 4/16/2008 9:20:09 PM
I personally am old-fashioned enough to want to wait awhile, but not so much that I think it is necessary (or even a good thing) to wait until marriage. If I am attracted enough to someone and been seeing them long enough that a permanent relationship is a possibility in the future (not necessarily immediate) that's when I want to explore a more intimate relationship as well.

I will say that *nothing* turns me off faster than someone that is strongly pressuring me to have sex with them, and worse, does not honor my wishes in terms of taking things slow at first. If I tell a guy I prefer to take things slow and get to know them a little first, and he's still trying to rip my panties off before we've barely even kissed, that's when I show them the door!
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 406 (view)
 
Pets in Bed
Posted: 4/16/2008 1:05:46 PM

bunch of you would pick a pet sleeping in a bed over a potential "love of a lifetime?" That's rich....nice priorities...

For what it's worth, no I would not. If it really did truly bother someone that I loved that much, I would definitely chose them over my pets in terms of sleeping arrangements. I would certainly try to work it out first, relationships are all about compromise. But it's just really never been an issue for me in the past though, particularly since I tend to gravitate to people who are animal lovers as well and just don't mind it. My oldest dog is such a charmer as well, that most guys want to spoil him as much as (if not more than) I do.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 124 (view)
 
the sleep issue
Posted: 4/15/2008 7:50:27 PM
I've yet to meet someone that is quiet and calm enough to sleep with....and I'm no picnic either! I'm a bit of a toss-and-turner although nowhere near as bad as when I was a kid (I literally would wake up turned around with my head at the foot of the bed!) The last guy I went with had severe sleep apnea (undiagnosed) and that was downright frightening to listen to...couldn't believe no one had ever told him that he stops breathing regularly at night. I do however enjoy late night and/or early morning spooning before we head to separate beds/rooms.

Seems a lot of people I know as they get older tend to go to separate beds at least. Or use beds like latex foam that disturb your partner less during the night than regular bouncy mattresses.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 387 (view)
 
Pets in Bed
Posted: 4/15/2008 11:54:36 AM

Allowing dogs: to sleep in your bed, on furniture, giving them birthday parties, coloring their fur, polishing their nails etc., satisfies a human urge, or need, and does not make the animal healthier or happier.

Well, I'll agree it isn't going to make them any healthier, but the happier is going to depend a lot on the individual animal. Same thing with being outdoors. If you have a dog that greatly enjoys being outside and has a pack to run with, that's definitely great and is very healthy for the dog. And I would totally agree that you probably aren't going to want to share a bed with a dog that's outside all the time, I certainly wouldn't. I though own a breed that tends to bond very closely with their owner and really *hate* to be separated. This is totally reinforced by the large amount of time I spend daily training my dogs and the sports that I do with them, they get very bonded and will pretty much follow me everywhere I go if allowed. My dogs simply won't do anything when put outside other than lie at the backdoor staring in until I let them back in. Likewise while I train them to sleep on the floor when necessary, they are much happier when they get to share sleeping space with me, curled up at the end of the bed. They do however totally respect my space, and do not walk on me or otherwise bother me while sleeping (unless they are feeling sick, my older dog in particular is very good about waking me up if he is feeling ill and needs to be let out right away!) I am a very light sleeper myself and I don't generally allow my dogs on the bed until they are adults and have learned that when I need them to sleep in a crate or on the floor, that they will willing sleep there quietly. In this way, being on the bed is very much a privilege to be earned and thus becomes just one more training exercise that keeps me very much established as the leader, which is important for household harmony and balanced pets. That's why I personally am not fond of generalizations about what is right for all pets or all people, there just are no hard and fast rules here, but what works for each individual and household.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 281 (view)
 
for the ladies....can you TRULY say money ain't a factor?
Posted: 4/14/2008 10:49:27 PM
I'm pretty much on the same level as many people here...money isn't going to really play a factor in who I date and/or fall for...but if I am considering a long-term relationship, I'm going to consider someone's financial situation, for the simple fact that I personally can't afford someone that is not responsible with money. But it's not an issue of black-and-white. For instance, I would rather date someone that doesn't make that much, but has shown an ability to spend within their means and not acquire a lot of debt, versus someone that makes a lot more...but spends and spends and spends. Age and future goals have a lot to do with it as well. You can have two people that are making the same but someone that is young and working towards career advancement is in a very different state than someone that is 15-20 years older and just sort of making due with what they can find.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
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Ideas to cook for two...
Posted: 4/14/2008 3:06:07 PM
There are a lot of recipe books out there for cooking for two, search for them on Amazon. I've also subscribed to "Cooking for Two" magazine which had a lot of fairly easy and quick recipes.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 333 (view)
 
Pets in Bed
Posted: 4/13/2008 10:35:54 AM
It seems many people don't value humans as much as they value animals. I'm all for seeing the beauty in all species, but I think you've got to hold a special place in your life for other people, particularly a SO.

And what does having a close relationship with a pet have anything to do with that??? Just because someone values their pet highly does not mean they would value a person less. It's not like we have a limited amount of space in our lives and hearts, anymore than someone with children would. I've generally found spending so much time and effort with my dogs is a benefit when it comes to dating, as the vast majority of people *like* animals and really appreciate ones that are clean, well-behaved, friendly, etc. And I've never yet had someone feel like I value them less than my dogs. There definitely are some people that take things to the extreme....dress their pets up, have parties for them, take them everywhere they go, etc. That is a different issue altogether, and indeed not a healthy relationship. But that's hardly what we are talking about here.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 322 (view)
 
Pets in Bed
Posted: 4/12/2008 11:24:05 PM

I have a pet, and he smells like a pet, he has his own bed outside where pets should be


Who decided where pets "should" be? There are many good reasons for them to be inside, not the least of which is that they typically live longer and healthier lives. Dogs are very social animals and I feel very sorry for those that are left outside alone for a great portion of their lives. It's fine for dogs to be outside dogs if they have a job, or you are someone like a rancher that is outside all the time with them as well. But too many dogs are simply left outside with little interaction and that is simply not healthy. Outdoor cats likewise typically live much shorter lives and are far more likely to be hit by cars, get poisoned, catch diseases or fight with other cats, etc.


Pets deserve to be treated like pets, and its unhealthy to use your pet as an emotional crutch and to subject others to it or expect them to live with it....


Of course pets should be treated like pets, but living indoors certainly has nothing to do with that. Nor does the fact that someone has a close relationship with their pet mean that they are using it as some "emotional crutch". And you can BET that anyone that wants to be part of my life is going to have to live with my dogs, that is a ridiculous statement to say that it is "unhealthy" to expect otherwise. That's like saying it's unhealthy to expect someone to want to live with my kids.


Pets smell no matter how much you bathe them

Heck, you can say the same thing about people. We all have some odor that is always present, animals are no exception. And if your pets are outside all the time, I have no doubt that they have significant odor. But I would challenge anyone to come in my house and detect any pet odor at all. In fact, it's a bit of an issue when I visit my parents, as they love having my dogs visit since they don't have any odor, but my sister gets mad that hers are not allowed, because they definitely smell considerably. Difference...my dogs spend fairly little time outside, are brushed and bathed every week and are cleaned if necessary when they come in from being outside. Far from having unpleasant odor, they usually smell fresher and cleaner than I do! I do hospital visits with one dog, as do many people that do therapy work with their pets, do you think they would be allowed if there was some cleanliness issue with animals? It's long been understood that the human-animal bond has great health benefits for us, it has nothing to do with having your pet "replace human companionship". It's to supplement it, and I can tell you that I get far more benefit from spending a great deal of time with my pets, than someone that just leaves them outside and doesn't truly share their life with them.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 315 (view)
 
Pets in Bed
Posted: 4/12/2008 9:35:14 PM
Well, I do enjoy having my dogs sleep *on* the bed (not *in* it!) There's nothing as comforting as some warm bodies when you are alone and single. But when I've been in relationships, I've yet to have a BF that didn't snore like a train so I always chase him out of my room before we fall asleep as I'm too light a sleeper to deal with that, so it's never been an issue. I do keep a light sheet on the top of my bed which is washed frequently and I can remove if we are being intimate so that pet hair isn't an issue, which does help a lot. And definitely the dogs stay off the bed then!
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 58 (view)
 
35, No Kids, Never Married
Posted: 4/12/2008 11:27:28 AM
Thanks to all those who responded! In my case, it was a matter of "coming out of my shell" as some of my friends put it. I didn't start seriously dating until a few years ago. I'm in a much better position in terms of my profession, finances, and maturity to get involved in a serious relationship. I know that I'm not commitment-phobic and my last two GFs can attest to that.

This is very much the situation I am in now as well, although I'm now over 40 and still not married! Talk about a social stigma. I definitely am not commitment-phobic either but I'm not going to get married just for the sake of being married (and I have had a couple opportunities, but it wouldn't have worked out.) But it is something that comes up pretty soon in a conversation, why I am not married and don't have kids, etc. I do find divorced people in particular seem to have problems with it, and often people that have kids themselves will question if I can appreciate the commitment they have to their own (which is just silly, I don't need to have kids myself to appreciate the importance of them!) I hardly dated at all in high school and college I was so socially awkward and it's taken me some time to get comfortable with myself and who I am and develop the confidence to put myself out there, and in the meantime I really threw myself into my career and developing my own business, etc. Doesn't mean there is anything "wrong" with me the way some people seem to assume when you are older and still single. I look at some of my family and friends that are struggling financially and worrying how they will ever put those kids through college and I'm grateful to have a relatively simple life and comfortable living. And personally, I think people that might overlook someone like me that might be older but less experienced in relationships are really missing out. All that stuff that many women my age are bored and tired of...I still find it wonderful and exciting!
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 75 (view)
 
phys vs emotional attraction
Posted: 4/12/2008 11:11:58 AM

Does the person in question not automatically become even sexier as your emotional attachment develops?....to me it does !!!!!!

Absolutely. For me the emotional/mental part of it is so important I don't really feel attraction at all unless someone stimulates me with their personality, wit, intelligence, etc. I can appreciate a guy that is good-looking, but I don't really find myself attracted to them unless I find myself drawn to their personality. Likewise someone might be less attractive at first glance, but if they have the right personality I find that it simply doesn't matter to me.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 36 (view)
 
The gift of music
Posted: 4/12/2008 11:00:25 AM
Another vote for burning a compilation CD. I got a number of these from my last boyfriend and I really appreciated the thought and effort that went into it. And since he had somewhat eclectic taste in music, it allowed me to also sample a lot of groups I hadn't heard before. Doesn't really matter if you don't exactly nail every single one as something she would like, when the sentiment behind it is still there.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 30 (view)
 
to be single forever or continue to find the special someone?
Posted: 4/11/2008 10:18:02 PM
I basically go through periods where I put a lot of time into emailing people and trying to hook up and then eventually get frustrated at how seemingly impossible it is to find someone that will follow through and go on a date, that I feel I'm wasting my time and prefer to just be happy being single. I have a lot of hobbies I enjoy and always a ton of work to do for my business so a lot of time it's just easier to forget about dating...and easier to not deal with all the rejection. I eventually decide I'm not going to be satisfied being alone all my life and start working at it again, trying different online sites, etc. but it's hard when you are not the type of woman the large percentage of guys online seem to look for (attractive, athletic, etc.) So there may come a time when I throw in the towel completely... but being an eternal optimist I have a feeling I'll keep coming back in hopes of finding someone that appreciates all the great qualities I have and brings lots of their own into the mix as well.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 35 (view)
 
How honest is too honest?
Posted: 4/11/2008 10:03:30 PM
Wow, does this topic strike home for me! I struggle with this issue as well in terms of how much to reveal and how soon. I also have chronic pain issues, which as long as I manage it, don't bother me on a day-to-day basis. It's not like I have to regularly do pain meds or am in unbearable pain all the time...but it does restrict my activities to a great deal and is generally there in some degree. I do think often sharing medical information up-front can be a tough situation because so many people on here *do* judge anyone with any problems rather harshly and just go right past (and I thought insurance companies were bad! ) But you definitely don't want to wait too long to let someone know about what limitations you might have and I personally have usually discussed it by a first date at least. But include it on my profile? Don't think so. Heck, I can't remember the last time I got any emails from my profile, anything negative on there sure isn't going to help the situation any!
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 135 (view)
 
Is politics a deal breaker for you?
Posted: 2/9/2008 12:27:38 PM
AFTER you have made your selection and committment to your partner,that is when compromise becomes important.Peoples unwillingness to compromise after establishing a relationship is ,to me,one of the main causes of divorce.You are not always going to get your way in a relationship.

Of course, but when it comes to talking politics, we're talking things that are often fundamental beliefs for people, not stuff that tends to suddenly change after marriage. So any compromise is going to be before or during the relationship being established. I don't know many ultra-conservative right-wing republicans that are suddenly going to become liberal in their beliefs. So I don't see much reason to "compromise" in the way that you are referring when it is something you know full well going into it. If someone is more middle of the road and tends to lean right or lean left according to how the wind blows, that's another matter. A great many people though have vastly different leanings and that is a tough situation for most people to compromise on.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 56 (view)
 
Ever realize that you're the problem?
Posted: 1/31/2008 5:25:52 PM

once i realized what my problems were i had a hell of a time finding people to blame them on.i found them eventually though,i call them family and friends.lol.

LOL, too true! It's sad (or enlightening!) when you realize that all the things you'd like to change about yourself are the very same things that drive you crazy with your parents and siblings!

But still I think that one of the great things is that people *can* change and recognizing those things about yourself that contribute to a failed relationship is a great start.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 112 (view)
 
Is the way to a woman heart through her mind?
Posted: 1/17/2008 9:39:14 PM

for me, yes. absolutely. i am much more attracted to personality, intellectual passion, and intensity then i am to looks, money, or other such silly things. i love geeky guys who are good at math! lol! i think it is very sexy! but i do like the creative types too, as long as they aren't dysfunctional and screwed up. for me, yes, the way to my heart IS through my mind...

LOL, that's totally me too. ;-) A guy that can out-geek me is always appreciated but any guy that has intelligence and quick wit and is not boring to talk to draws me right in. I've sometimes spent hours on the phone just talking politics and religion and science, etc. and it's just amazing to find someone that you can click with on that kind of level. Beats eye-candy any day!
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 108 (view)
 
Is politics a deal breaker for you?
Posted: 1/17/2008 9:25:55 PM

Apparently you missed the message I was trying to send.
Even your most favorite politician will compromise to get some of what they want and then wait for their next opportunity to work toward their goals.It is how our political system works.

There's a heck of a big difference between making progress in politics...and choosing a partner for life. Compromise is not *always* the right thing to do in every situation, and the smart person knows when it is and when it is not.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 80 (view)
 
Is politics a deal breaker for you?
Posted: 1/10/2008 4:23:42 PM

I don't care if my partners opinions on politics or religion differ from mine,as long as my partner respects my opinions,then we are cool.


That's how I feel as well...but I find when the ideologies are vastly different, it's not always easy to find someone that really is okay with that. I'm fairly middle of the road, but definitely lean left...but I find that really ultra-conservatives are just too intolerant for me to be around in general.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 82 (view)
 
Anyone else rather SKIP the phone conversations?
Posted: 1/8/2008 10:17:44 PM

You're not alone, OP... I'm the same way. I don't hate talking on the phone, and will do so if the other person is really gung ho about it. But my preference is to do a reasonable amount of emailing - at least enough to get a sense of whether you even WANT to meet this person. If the answer is "yes", then I'm comfortable going straight to the cup of coffee (or whatever). I rarely talk on the phone even with my close friends. I guess I'm just not a "phone person".


Yup, that's me as well (although I do talk on the phone regularly with my mom and sis.) But I find phone calls with someone I haven't met yet very awkward, and seldom of any value. I've also had a lot of experiences with guys that seem to *only* want to talk on the phone and keep putting off a meeting over and over.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 70 (view)
 
Ever hear the words I love you and ran for the hills?
Posted: 1/6/2008 8:19:51 PM
I've had a guy say that to me way too early (3rd date I think it was) and was pretty much wanting to get engaged, if I had been on the same page. I didn't get out immediately, but probably should have. That kind of clingy, needy reaction to meeting someone you like is just a sign of worse things to come. I don't though have a problem with a guy falling in love before I do....as long as it's on a more reasonable timeline where I'm not feeling pressured to feel the same immediately.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 299 (view)
 
Men who arrive for the 1st date with a rose.....do women like it?
Posted: 12/27/2007 4:24:25 PM

At some point I realized, that on a first date, it's a generic, almost empty gesture; you don't know the girl well enough to know if it's meaningful. Besides, there are plenty of other ways to impress a date with the idea that you're romantic and a gentleman.


Very true and nicely stated!
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 100 (view)
 
too involved with pets?
Posted: 12/21/2007 12:31:15 AM

True if you don't have a yard! But then I think it's a tad cruel to have a pet cooped up in an apartment. If you're fortunate to have a yard, it's not going to be cruel and unusual punishment to leave them outside.

Well, personally I think it's more cruel to expect your neighbors to listen to the dog howling and barking all day because they are outside alone. So I certainly hope someone would only do this if they know from past experience that the dog is not going to throw a major fit being out there, or bark at people going by, etc. I guarantee you would not want me leaving mine alone outside all day (all the real fun is in the house with me). It's really a rare dog that can be left unsupervised outside all day and be well behaved and quiet.

But these days there are many people that provide pet sitting services, where they can come by and take the dog(s) 0ut for walk and potty break. I'll generally make other arrangements for long trips, but it works great for day-trips.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 99 (view)
 
too involved with pets?
Posted: 12/21/2007 12:24:03 AM

Most dog trainers will also advise you against allowing your pet on the furniture and in the bed.
Uh, I *am* a dog trainer (I have instructed and given many seminars on training over the years, have competed at the national level in various canine sports, put multiple championships on my dogs and have many top level obedience titles, not to mention having read and attended many seminars myself on dog behavior and psychology)...and you are wrong that "most" will advise you against ever letting dogs on the furniture. If you have a dominance issues, then sure, you don't want to be letting them on the furniture...or any other of a vast array of things you need to do with a dog with dominance issues. The bed/furniture is just one very small part of the picture. If they get territorial about their sleeping area, then they shouldn't be up there either....and generally it's best not to allow them up until they have been through all the puppy training stages...housebreaking, basic obedience, etc. so that you are already established as the leader. It's also a good idea, as I've already posted, to not allow dogs to jump up on their own, but to sometimes require them to stay down on the floor, and to wait for your command to come up. All this helps assert you as the dominant/assertive one. But letting the dog on the bed after all that is not going to suddenly introduce problems that weren't already there and suddenly make him think he is now in charge. After all, it's not like they get to pick where on the bed to sleep. I claim my spot on the bed, and the dogs and cat get what's left. And they have their own pack order as well...the oldest dog gets the best spot (unless the cat wants it!) To say that allowing dogs on the bed is going to cause dominance issues is as silly as all the other various myths about dog behavior (like that playing tug-o-war or wrestling with your dog will make them aggressive, or that they should want to do stuff just to please you). Establishing yourself in a dominant role has FAR more to do with your interactions with the dog through the entire day, and indeed their life, than with where you allow them to sleep. And there is a lot coming out about how wrong the whole idea of an "alpha dog" in canine packs is. It's a simplistic way for us humans to look at it but canine hierarchies are much more complex and ever-changing than that.

Sounds like a lot of fun. I've never done any of that. Never had to.

And there are also many people that just lock their animals outside their entire life as well. That's even easier. Some of us just prefer more interaction with our animals, even if it also means a small amount of extra work. And frankly, I just don't care for having dirt tracked through my house, my floors all scratched up, my dog having foul breath, etc. I just personally find it a heck of a lot easier to just make sure my pets in the house are clean than having to police where they are allowed to go. It's healthier for them as well...and that also often saves me money down the road in vet bills (dental work alone can run in the thousands of dollars for instance.)

But don't judge me because my choices on how I train them are different from yours.

Oh, but you are allowed to judge me?? I never said you don't have the right to make your own choices...YOU were the one that said that "dogs don't belong on the bed" and continue this argument that anyone that feels otherwise is wrong.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 95 (view)
 
too involved with pets?
Posted: 12/20/2007 8:46:16 PM

I agree. I had a friend that let her golden lab sleep in bed with her and remember watching as she hand swept the sand, hair and god knows what off one day before re-making it. Dogs don't belong on the bed.

Geez, you all sounds like a bunch of dirt and germ-a-phobes. Maybe *you* think dogs don't belong on the bed, but you won't find anything to back that up other than just personal feelings on the matter. I can understand not wanting pets on the bed because it can be crowded and disturb your sleep (I'm a very light sleeper but have a very large bed) but not all of us freak out if we see a pet hair in our house, on the furniture, whatever. Nor do all of us have dogs that are filthy dirty bed hogs. My dogs are extremely clean (they have to be, in order to do therapy work in hospitals, nursing homes, etc.) they get their teeth brushed regularly, feet cleaned when they come in from outside, all that kind of stuff. I personally don't shower before going to bed, so it's not like I am sparkling clean myself, and I have a cat that leaves far more hair around the house than the dogs ever will. I use furniture covers on the chairs the cat tends to use so they can easily be removed when company come and not get hair on their clothes, and most of my furniture is the type that a quick run over with a paper roller will remove any leftover hair. I wouldn't want to allow a really large dog on my bed for space reasons (my dogs are 20 pounds or less) but there is simply no legitimate reason why a well-behaved, clean dog cannot share a bed if the owner(s) prefer that. Interestingly enough though, I guess I am too restless a sleeper for my younger dog as *he* has decided to go downstairs and sleep in his crate versus being on the bed.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 89 (view)
 
too involved with pets?
Posted: 12/20/2007 3:23:13 PM
I already agreed that many people are too obsessed with their pets and treat them like little humans, etc. My point is that non-animal lovers have a much different idea of what is obsessed than most of us that *do* love our pets.

As for sleeping on the bed, besides the fact that my dogs don't drink toilet water (even if they wanted, they're too small to reach) I can't say I've ever had them put their nose someplace unwanted. I'm a very light sleeper so if I'm trying to fall asleep, they better be curled up elsewhere on the bed and leave me alone, or they will be sleeping on the floor. Quite simply, there is very little doggie behavior that can't be controlled, if you put the time into it.

Here's an article on sleeping with pets you might get a kick out of:

http://www.slate.com/id/2108762/


Mary Jo
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 289 (view)
 
Men who arrive for the 1st date with a rose.....do women like it?
Posted: 12/19/2007 10:16:38 PM
I am a sucker for flowers. Roses are pretty but I really don't care what they are, I love any flowers. Daffodils in the spring, wildflowers, etc. I love to feel like a guy is trying to make a nice first impression, whatever that may be. I think it's nice if they at least show up in something other than a grungy tshirt and jeans...and at least offer to pay for the meal (if we go out to eat as is typical for a first date). I don't need to go someplace really nice but to me it just feels cheap if he expects me to pay on a first date. Guess I'm just old-fashioned!
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 23 (view)
 
Can I come to your house for Christmas?
Posted: 12/18/2007 10:17:12 PM
Amen. This is someone that has serious issues, if they think a first date is when you should be welcoming someone into your family!
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Can I come to your house for Christmas?
Posted: 12/18/2007 6:42:56 PM
That would definitely cause me to run. I've known some people with bad family relationships and I find it very hard to be around people that are so filled with hate. Until they've learned to put it behind them and move on, they just poison everyone else around them as well. The fact that he doesn't want to spend the holidays with his family certainly doesn't mean he should be inviting himself over to yours! I would almost guarantee someone like this would bring everyone else around them down by continuing to complain about his own family.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 86 (view)
 
too involved with pets?
Posted: 12/18/2007 2:18:33 PM

That is the point, there are two types of pet owners, 1) people who loves their pets and treats them well and 2) the obsessive pet owners that think pets are people

Oh I definitely agree some people take it too far. But sorry, allowing pets on the bed is *not* what I would consider obsessive. Recently I saw this woman on a TV show that said her dog *was* a human, that he did not behave like a real dog and could "talk" to her, etc. That's the type of behavior I consider a bit over-the-top and frankly, is not healthy for the dog either. But many people that don't own pets or have really close relationships with the ones that they have truly do not understand that bond that some of us have. I've traveled around the country performing with my dog, competed at the highest levels of various sporting events, and even now in his old age, am doing therapy work with him. He is at my side through the entire day and has never been left in a kennel, has often flown with me on airplanes, etc. I do have a stronger relationship with him than with most people outside my immediate family, and I'd have a hard time dating anyone that doesn't understand and appreciate that. Having said that, I also understand that some things may not be comfortable with people that have not had pets before, and like any relationship, sometimes there are compromises. I would never consider getting rid of my dog(s), but sleeping arrangements are certainly something that can be negotiated. Anyone that goes into a relationship with an attitude of "this is how I've always done things, so I'm not about to change" is likely to run into problems. You do have to choose your battles sometimes.


Ive even read about people who would prefer their pets over human contact, tell me that's not plain nuts

Well, I wouldn't use that term for it, but certainly for people that have social issues and difficulty relating to people, it is often easier and more comfortable to relate to animals. That's one reason therapy work with animals has become so popular, as often animals can make breakthroughs with people that have withdrawn into themselves that normal rehabilitation methods do not.
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 81 (view)
 
too involved with pets?
Posted: 12/17/2007 10:26:21 PM

I have a problem with people who place their pets above a human being, treating them like equals, I remember having a girlfriend in the past who would let her dog sleep in the same bed as us and it would upset rover if he didn't sleep there, im thinking what is the dog going to do, pack a bag and leave home because some a$$hole sleeping in the same bed as her dog mommy? good Lord.

Spoken like someone who truly does not understand the human-animal bond. A great many of us love to share the bed with our pets. Doesn't mean they are under the covers with me, but both of my dogs sleep on my bed every night and I enjoy the extra warm bodies. Although they just as often decide it's too hot or crowded and jump down to sleep on the floor. It absolutely would upset a dog if someone else takes their sleeping spot, that's a major intrusion into their territory. The problem is that most people don't do the extra work needed to teach their dogs that the bed is something they may or may not always have access to, and have no idea how to keep them off if they've been just allowed up for years. So what do you do? It's likely that a dog allowed such freedom is going to throw a fit if locked out of the room as well. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, it's always a good idea for single people to consider things like this and put that little extra effort into training their dogs so that if they like sleeping with their pet(s), the dog is still trained to wait until invited up, so that the bed does not become so much their possession and territory. Because it's true that not everyone cares for it so its nice to have that option (not to mention having problems when staying with someone else that might not want them on the bed)
 maryjos
Joined: 1/4/2007
Msg: 400 (view)
 
Would you marry for money?
Posted: 12/14/2007 8:03:23 PM
I should add that if someone is trying to goad me into marriage using money as the carrot...that alone would be enough to warn me off. A lot of things would be a deal-killer in this for me...it's just not something I would immediately say "no way" to.
 
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