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 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 11 (view)
 
Help!
Posted: 11/23/2009 11:15:25 PM

Are there any men out there that want more than just sex?

Yes.

Thread answered.
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 21 (view)
 
Why do older men only like me?
Posted: 11/23/2009 11:13:53 PM
Dress your age. That shirt is something my mom would wear.
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 61 (view)
 
Her Orgasm
Posted: 11/23/2009 1:49:36 PM

You made a comment about how most women "normally" get off easily...That's a FALLACY.

What evidence do you have to support your postulate?
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 137 (view)
 
A math question: Is there any way to increase your odds when buying lottery tickets?
Posted: 11/23/2009 1:47:33 PM
Baloney Detection Kit - Michael Shermer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUB4j0n2UDU
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 77 (view)
 
How can you prove soul exists after death?
Posted: 11/23/2009 1:03:46 PM

The entire reason you are capable of thought/etc. is due to electricity.

If by 'entire reason' you mean to ignore the entire structure of the body & bio-chemical processes - then I suppose you're correct.
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 9 (view)
 
silicon vs. carbon
Posted: 11/22/2009 2:43:10 AM

So now what - are we voting on who gets to invade/visit us? Never thought we'd have a choice.

Probably because you're thinking on too narrow of a timeline. For all we know, we are the most technologically advanced "world", and we'll design & implement intergalactic travel. At this point, it's an unknown.
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 15 (view)
 
Hey Socal lets DISCO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: 11/22/2009 2:29:47 AM

Not in my world. Rock is king.

Yes. We heard you. The first time.

Do you want a cookie or something?

Standards are cool too.

Thank you captain obvious. Again - do you want a cookie? Not that enjoying any one genre of music over another has anything to do with "standards", it's a matter of preference.
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 117 (view)
 
A math question: Is there any way to increase your odds when buying lottery tickets?
Posted: 11/20/2009 8:22:52 PM

I did take college level courses in just that

I doubt it. If you did, I've got no idea how you passed.

* I also said that I take advantage of that fact that we BOTH agree happens and utilize it to help select numbers!
* Capitalize on that aspect and USE it to help select numbers
* But you can make a series of selections to increase your chances

You can't use clustering to predict future numbers. I've had to have said this a half dozen times by now, and I know others have as well. This is how I know you're dishonest about your level of education, or that you didn't pay nearly enough attention in your classes. This is quite literally statistics 101 stuff. Every postulate you've come up with, I've refuted (and so have others). You've been unsuccessful at addressing your postulate on it's own merit.

Check ANY web page that has "lotto tips" on it

How about you do something remotely scientific like... cite your source. Might be a baby step in the right direction for you.

Jeeze, contradictory or what?

Not in the slightest. I've cited my source as to why this phenomenon happens, and why you can't use it to predict future results. The next picks will still be RANDOM.

Kind of like playing the stock market....which way will it go....nobody knows for sure....

Lotto is NOTHING like the stock market.

Using math you CANNOT increase your chances.

I agree.

By using observation and following the clusters, etc, you CAN, and DO increase your chances for a win.

You just described a mathematical principal you ignorant tool:
Mathematics is the study of quantity, structure, space, relation, change, and various topics of pattern, form and entity. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATH
(bold my emphasis)

Because the draws ARE random, you have as much chance as I do...except that I have far more chances of hitting a win than you do because I was able to put MY money on selections that are MORE probable to come up!

You've just completely contradicted yourself. Either I have as much chance as you do, or you have an edge over me - you can't have it both ways.

But by observation, I can....

Are you really going to make me repeat myself again? Is your memory so weak, you can't remember I've refuted this - twice. I've explained why this is a logical fallacy already... twice. Do I need to say it again? Really? Are you that "special" that you can't keep up in the conversation? You can't remember what was JUST said?

Never underestimate the power of simple observation.

I don't. But, apparently you're totally comfortable with observer's bias & other logical fallacies.
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Hey Socal lets DISCO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: 11/20/2009 5:24:08 PM

Disco died in the 70's. Thank God!

It's alive & well at clubs out there.

Thank God!
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 13 (view)
 
How do I know hes real soulmate, even with our differences?
Posted: 11/20/2009 5:22:27 PM
If you're too afraid of being hurt, then you shouldn't be dating. Dating = vulnerability / rejection & all kinds of scary things. If you're not ready to deal with those emotions in a positive & healthy way, then you're going to send more negativity / confusion out in the world.
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 16 (view)
 
Hey said call me, if you want and no answer?
Posted: 11/20/2009 5:19:51 PM
Call him and ask when he will have some time for you. If he can't find 30min - 1 hour out of his day to meet up, what's the point in dating him... or carrying a torch for him?
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 21 (view)
 
what advise i give my friend
Posted: 11/20/2009 5:17:00 PM
And your friend's still dating this guy... why?
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 114 (view)
 
A math question: Is there any way to increase your odds when buying lottery tickets?
Posted: 11/20/2009 1:08:30 PM

I disagree, as do many others. I've outlined certain things that can and DO help generate a better chance of winning.

It doesn't matter if you disagree, or that many others do. This is not evidence, they are argumentum ad hominem and argumentum ad populum logical fallacies respectively.

I've outlined certain things that can and DO help generate a better chance of winning.

Your outlines have been clearly refuted on the most BASIC of mathematical principals. But, you continue to bulldoze over them – hiding your head in the sand like an ostrich.

But WHICH number gets chosen?

It's RANDOM. We can't predict it.

Would it be better to choose THAT number than the one that ins't chosen as often? Of course!

Agreed. But, the only known way to do that is to be clairvoyant. To date, no one's been able to demonstrate such a still under anything resembling controlled or repeatable circumstances.

I know exactly what I'm seeing.

No, you don't. You've obviously not taken anything resembling college level mathematics, so you can't possibly know what you're looking at. Informed statistical analysis is a skill that you obviously don't possess.

But, cycles repeat.

I'll repeat myself – again. THIS IS EXPECTED IN ANY RANDOM DATA SET. However, you still can't predict WHICH balls will be cyclic, and which won't. You only know that's it's more and more likely to occur with the more balls drawn. There will be grouping.

I take advantage of that.

This is a total gamblers mentality. All of you share one thing: none of you have taken a statistics class, so none of you understand why this actually occurs. The lotto is not any more predictable than other gambling systems.

I harm nobody.

I completely disagree. By waxing on about statistics you know nothing about, you're encouraging other people to think the too can predict the lotto. Unfortunately the least educated, and the least wealthy are the ones that fall victim to this the most. What you're doing is irresponsible & dangerous.

But...if those "patterns" follow along a certain path, why wouldn't I follow to see where it goes? 

This question has been answered for you many many times already in this thread. The patterns / grouping WILL happen. The pick, however, is RANDOM. I've linked you to a video that clearly explains this phenomenon, and why it's dangerous to couple with gambling.

Whereas, in the lottery, there ARE winners, every week. 

And there are MILLIONS of losers every week. Generally the poorest & least educated of our populace.

There is just too much evidence pointing towards that to ignore it. 

No there isn't. Every one of your postulates has been shot down by real evidence, and explaining how statistics / random number generators work.

Sure, I wish I could express it mathematically. I can't.

Your ignorance has been well noted.

But they don't...A glance at any chart that shows the number of times a the balls have dropped shows that clearly. 

Yes they do, and no they don't. We've explained that in any random number generator data set, there WILL be clustering of certain numbers. This is EXPECTED. It doesn't mean you can predict which numbers will be clustering, or when.

And "google is my friend"? Don't patronize me.

I wasn't. I was quite serious. There's lots and lots of lotto analysis out there. I found it fascinating to read, and thought you might as well.

Jeremy and James...I do understand where you are coming from.

No – you don't.

Anyhow's...mathematically speaking....no...you can't increase your odds...but with observation and a few tips and tricks, you still get to increase your chances.

You realize you've just contradicted yourself right?
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 15 (view)
 
Her Orgasm
Posted: 11/20/2009 1:05:03 AM
I would say orgasms are both people's responsibility. The better the couple communicates, the better.

Some people are just quiet lovers.

*yawn*

boring.
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 92 (view)
 
Everything is moving at the Speed of Light
Posted: 11/19/2009 12:08:50 PM

I don't refuse to listen to ideas, I refuse to listen to folks like you

These aren't mutually exclusive.

it's your whole attitude about it.

It's easy to dismiss knowledge because of one's "attitude" isn't it? Attitude or no, it's your choice to not take the opportunity to learn, and remain ignorant.

I can paint a pretty picture for you but you'll think it's ugly.

So, now you think:
a) you can read minds
b) predict the future
c) all of the above

Interesting.
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 107 (view)
 
A math question: Is there any way to increase your odds when buying lottery tickets?
Posted: 11/18/2009 4:36:25 PM

I could increase the chances of getting a win...and have done so

Not by the methods you've proposed - no, you have not.

But observation has brought out some oddities which I take advantage of.

I just covered this... but I'll go over it again, that's a logical fallacy called dicto secundum quid ad dictum simpliciter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Converse_accident

Saying, "I've only seen brown ducks" doesn't mean all the ducks in the world are brown. When looking at the lotto as a whole, it's not mathematically useful to only look at your own personal set of data, and completely ignore the MAJORITY amount of other data observed by everyone else.

Mathematically, each ball should come up at about the same rate.

WRONG
Each ball should have the same CHANCE at coming up. They will come up at different rates. Just as when flipping a coin enough times, you will get it to come up with heads (or tails) consecutively: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_0b4dkmD0w

In statistics, we EXPECT that there will be "clustering" of certain numbers. This is NORMAL. However, you can't predict which numbers are going to cluster. And using clustered numbers is not an accurate predictor of FUTURE numbers... as new numbers are picked, generally different numbers will come up clustering.
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 87 (view)
 
Everything is moving at the Speed of Light
Posted: 11/18/2009 4:18:04 PM

Name one.

We already have. But, I'm beginning to recognize it won't matter if we keep pointing it out, because you don't have enough foundation to understand what we're saying:

I'm not a math genius either and my understanding of this could be all wrong...
I don't know enough about physics to know if he's a charlatan or not...
I haven't the slightest clue how the following works …
I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to physics …
I'll confess that I haven't fully wrapped my head around special relativity …
I don't have any facts to confuse you with, just speculation...

Couple this with your defiant I-refuse-to-listen attitude, and what more do you want from us? I think you're only here waiting for someone to tell you your discovery is awesome, and praise you for shedding some light on it. When you didn't get that, you continue to defend the position of out (admitted) ignorance. You have an opportunity to learn about physics, or cling to your own ideas & turn a blind eye to other possibilities. Choice is yours.
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 51 (view)
 
Free speach......... just how far does the right to free speach reach......
Posted: 11/18/2009 4:07:54 PM

free speech=freedom of expression. So the owner of the tennesse titans was fined 250000 dollars for flipping off the opposing teams fans after his team won the game. It is time to decide if freedom of speech still exists or not because I am confused.

Freedom of speech has never extended to businesses in the way you're describing. I can't just walk up to a woman (or man) and ask them to have sex with me, or say their boobs are awesome. If I speak inappropriately to a customer, the business has a right to fire me.

So too does the NFL have the right to fine teams, owners & individual players. It's a Civil matter - not a government infringement.

Now, if you want to talk about the FCC operating under executive power... you might have a good argument. But, I'm sorry to say, this is a very bad example.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12530255/league-hits-titans-owner-with-250k-fine-for-flipping-off-fans

PS, next time cite your sources please.
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 100 (view)
 
A math question: Is there any way to increase your odds when buying lottery tickets?
Posted: 11/17/2009 9:46:05 PM

non-consecutive number sequences are more likely than consecutive ones. That doesn't translate into "3,17,26,29,37,44" being more likely than "1,2,3,4,5,6"."

True

Perhaps I should say something like ANY non-consecutive sequence IS more likely to come up than a consecutive one. 

True, but you're comparing apples & oranges. Just like in my poker example, there's more non-consecutive combinations than consecutive combinations – therefore non-consecutive combinations are more likely than consecutive combinations. HOWEVER, each combination is as likely as the next – which is why the first statement I quoted is true.

Oh...just for fun...the sequence of 3, 17, 26, 29, 37, 44 has won just over $700.00 since the 649 was launched. The 1,2,3,4,5,6 sequence has won just under $500.00 for the same timeperiod. (Told ya, I've been tracking things.... )

Guess the proof is in the winnings huh?

Not in your example. Any two results aren't statistically significant. You'd have to grab a much larger data set to come up with anything statistically significant. I can't just pick two numbers to “prove” my case, and ignore the rest of the data set. That's a logical fallacy called dicto secundum quid ad dictum simpliciter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Converse_accident
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 21 (view)
 
Selling Human Beings on the Intergalactic Space Market
Posted: 11/17/2009 9:39:32 PM
Of note... all the food / fertilizer postulates are presuming the aliens are carbon based life forms. If not - we're probably not all that useful to them as food / fertilizer.
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 43 (view)
 
Free speach......... just how far does the right to free speach reach......
Posted: 11/17/2009 9:31:28 PM

Why? Do you want me to do your work for you?

I have to break down how communication works now? Okay...

This isn't a class room. There's no expectation for me to come prepared, having already read a chapter / done some homework, or other research – then ask questions. This is a regular discussion. It is the responsibility of the person bringing a new idea to the discussion to support their claim. The more extraordinary the claim, the more extraordinary the supporting evidence should be. Rational people with any kind of critical thinking skills aren't going to just accept a new proposition (especially if it's not commonly known, accepted or understood) if the person introducing the proposition fails to provide any supporting evidence.

Which is sort of academic really – because you've not even clearly stated your position. You seem more interested in calling me a chicken for not standing up for myself – and being vague about what standing up for myself means while you're at it. [*edit* you've since added / clarified your proposition - I'm leaving this in here to keep the record clear] Any attempt I've made to ask for clarification has been met with vague descriptions that come with more questions than answers, and any attempt I make to request for evidence if flat-out denied.

Therefore, as a rational person, I can't accept your postulate. As a rational & responsible person, I will not do it on faith alone.

No, because I place myself under the jurisdiction of natural law

Okay, but I don't live under natural law. I live in the USA, under positive law. And – again – I'm happy to, as I've been given certain rights (some of my favorites include: freedom of speech, religion, assemblage, the right to bear arms, habeas corpus, vote, protection from quartering & unreasonable search & seizure), protection, services, highways, and means of trade (money – which I think sparked this whole can of worms) by my government in exchange for my tax payments.

As I said before I'm losing my emotional investment in helping people, but I will leave you with the key that can unlock the chains of oppression. You are NOT a person, you HAVE a person. If you can remember that and study a bit, you'll be able to handle yourself against the system.

Again – you've given me nothing useful here. YOU know what this means, YOU talk about this alleged puzzle / lock, but only YOU know what that means. Which is as next to nothing as to make no matter. I re-iterate. If you want to make a statement, and provide supporting evidence, I'm listening. If you've run out of energy – then why are you continuing to be part of the discussion? To keep giving us postulates with no evidence? Do you want to be useful / helpful or not?

The institutions the acronyms stand for ARE the evidence!

Okay. They're all organizations to facilitate trade between nations, and prevent a third world war. If you can't see that, you need glasses. There – now we're even. I've provided just as much “evidence” for them not being the evil NWO as you have for it being the evil NWO.

My position is that a criminal gang of bankers

Which bankers, what are their names, and which banks do they own. Now define evil. Then provide evidence that the specific bankers you're talking about are evil by your definition.

controlling various countries by controlling their economies.

Evidence?

It is no coincidence that most of the western world started operating in receivership in 1934.

If, by this, you're reffering to organizations like FHFA, Federal Home Loan Banks, Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, Office of Thrift Supervision etc, then we're in agreement.

It is true of both the commonwealth countries and of the US. What we once called countries are really corporations, owned and controlled by boards composed of these bankers and their more local henchmen

Evidence?

That Nathan Rothschild took control of the economy of the British empire after Waterloo is a matter of record.

I'm aware of him making a tun of money after Waterloo, but I'm not aware of him, “taking contol over the economy of the British empire”. Evidence please... and for the rest of your postulate please.

Would you care to refute my allegations?

Again – in the complete absence of evidence, I don't need to.

There are more than ever. You just don't recognize them.

I suppose that depends on how you define snake oil salesmen. I'm referring to the common person / business peddling a product that does nothing of what it claims, or worse, is harmful to the customer. I'm talking about general products and services here (goods, food, vehicle repair – this sort of thing) . I'm well aware of much of the fleecing that's been going on in the real estate & investment world. So called “white collar” crimes.

quit being such a jealous, whiney BEATCH. Grow up a little.

That was in another thread. We exchanged :beer: like grown ups, and have moved on.

I think?
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 92 (view)
 
Coupons and Dating
Posted: 11/17/2009 8:15:25 PM
I'm usually a 20% tipper, more generous if someone else is paying, and way more generous if it's a comped [insert item here]. I base this off the "full retail" price before any discounts.
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 59 (view)
 
Proof of Darwin as a regular scientist
Posted: 11/17/2009 4:46:28 PM

Did our science teachers explain those exact experiments and their results?

Mine did.

What happens then, if our teachers explain to us a theory that has not been proved, or is even wrong?

A theory that's not been proved, or been under peer review isn't a theory – it's a hypotheses. And, probably shouldn't be taught on a HS level, as there's too many fundamental Theories to cover in too little time already.

we are just accepting what we are told without question

Most scientific things we covered in my courses that I had any interest in, I studied further. Which lead to vetting evolution, and disproving creationism (which, by the way, shouldn't be classified as a Scientific Theory anymore. It's postulates have been proven wrong, and there's no supporting evidence of it's remaining postulates).

then argue that anyone who disagrees with us is wrong

I argue my understanding of something, and listen to what others have to say. If their understanding something seems superior to mine (better supporting evidence, evidence discrediting my understanding etc), I generally adopt it. Which is how I went from a creationist to believing in evolution. The evidence for evolution is growing stronger and stronger every day, and creationism is weaker and weaker every day.

Is that a good thing? Nope. Does that guarantee that a lot of what we think is true, is probably wrong, and pure manipulation, to make us willing slaves?

Agreed. It's important to keep an open mind to new evidence, and it's impact on current understandings.

we never had the guts to question our science teachers and demand that they back up what they said, when it was our right to, and when we should have done.

I did, it got me in trouble.

A lot.
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 40 (view)
 
Free speach......... just how far does the right to free speach reach......
Posted: 11/17/2009 4:33:12 PM

As opposed to telling them to go piss up a rope the next time they try to collect income tax, and maybe suing for all the taxes they've bilked you out of over the years in a class action suit. If you are still a free country, you should be able to pull it off (though I'd bet they'd rather settle quietly out of court).

Please link me to documentation about this procedure, your own court filings, evidence, docket number, and outcome of your case. Then provide all of that again for the US version.

If you aren't still free, at least you'll know where you stand (at the point of a gun)

I already know where I stand. See Msg: 23

In my world, the people are self-governing and their own highest authority.

So, you can walk over to your neighbors, and take whatever you want? You can sexually abuse children with no recourse, because you're your own highest authority?

Pretty simple really...rightfully yours all along.

You've described absolutely nothing - other than an alleged & undefined “law” that I can use to “turn the tables on them” (whatever that means). Which is as close to absolutely nothing as to make no matter.

That one is laughable...It's happening now!

Last I checked, no major country has merged with another major country. I see no evidence that countries (that matter) are in the process of merging. If you think it's “laughable” that I don't see all the countries in the world unifying as one country in the next... say... 40 years – it's going to go a long way to undermine your credibility. Since you've been unable to provide any evidence of this scenario. Tossing out some acronyms is not evidence. You've not stated your position, explained the connection between your postulate and those organizations, nor provided evidence for your postulate or the connections.

I mean it's ludicrous to think that the richest, most powerful men on the planet would ever have a plan to increase their power, right?

Now you're moving the goal posts. Which is it – men with power like to retain & grow their power, or all the nations in the world are going to merge? They're two different things.

Actually it is fairly easy to argue it. In point of fact anything else is the most egregious form of censorship. It is far better to have these things out in the open, where lies and fallacies can be exposed for what they are, than to hide such unreasoning philosophies and give them the appeal of the forbidden fruit and a just reason to cry foul.

I disagree. Making laws to protect the people against bat & switch, and all-out false claims / advertisement & slander has gone a long long way towards making our country a better place to live. Far fewer snake oil salesmen these days.
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 57 (view)
 
Proof of Darwin as a regular scientist
Posted: 11/17/2009 12:41:58 PM
xfoe,
My favorite part about Christians attempting to marry cosmology theory to discredit biology goes something like this:
Me: [Winning argument about evolution]
Christian: Oh yeah, what about big bang? That can't be true - what was here before the big bang?
Me: Well, first of all they're un-related topics. One is cosmology, one is biology - which would you like to discuss?
Christian: Well, they are related - because we're talking about going back in history to figuring out how it all began. What was here before the big bang? If you don't know, then God must have created it.
Me: Actually, you're trying to figure out how it all began, and how they're related. But, they're still two different fields & theories. And, we don't know if big bang is what happened - we just have observations that confirm the theory. And, science is unable to explain what (if anything) was here before big bang. We've not made any discoveries about that yet. However, it's not a scientific view that something came from nothing - that's a Christian view. What was here before God? Who created God?
Christian:
a) [insert awkward silence here]
b) [insert on-the-fly rational here]
c) all of the above
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 77 (view)
 
Everything is moving at the Speed of Light
Posted: 11/17/2009 12:27:46 PM

I'm not a math genius either and my understanding of this could be all wrong...
I don't know enough about physics to know if he's a charlatan or not...
I haven't the slightest clue how the following works …
I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to physics …
I'll confess that I haven't fully wrapped my head around special relativity …
I don't have any facts to confuse you with, just speculation...

Yet you continue to defend him, and tell us how much you believe in his hypothesis:
* I think we have a long haul before we can begin to understand the nature of reality.
* That's why I love people like Nassim, they constantly challenge old world views.
* Maybe the widely understood principles are incorrect.
* But what if it's incorrect?
* I like Nassim's work is because it incorporates physics with metaphysics, which in my opinion is necessary to get a whole picture of the universe...
* And calling Nassim a charlatan because you don't adhere to his views makes you look like what?
* I don't know enough about physics to know if he's a charlatan or not...


Many of your defenses of him come down to: Scientists were wrong before, we need to keep an open mind... these kinds of things. No one is disagreeing with those statements. Science inherently is questioning it's own theories every time new & relevant evidence (observations) is discovered. How does [insert new finding here] relate to our understanding of [insert theory here]? Does it support it, or disprove it?

However, just because someone comes up with a hypothesis – and NO evidence to support said hypotheses, doesn't mean it has any weight. If there's no evidence, how are we to compare it to our existing understanding? If we compare it to existing observations, how does that hypotheses (with no supporting evidence) stand up? We've given you the answers to these questions – but too busy being a hypocrite (telling us we're holding onto our views too tightly to accept new understandings) to listen to what anyone's telling you. You've been presented with evidence for why he's a charlatan, yet you defend, defend, defend... for NO other reason than it “ incorporates physics with metaphysics, which in my opinion is necessary to get a whole picture of the universe”. And, there it is. You want to believe it, so you will. You don't want to be open to the fact that he could be wrong – so you won't listen.

Watching you toss out one logical fallacy after another (Fallacy of Accident, argumentum ad homenem, argumentum ad verecundiam, argumentum ad ignorantiam, Affirming the Consequent etc) is getting a bit tiring.
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 28 (view)
 
Plague in the Ukraine
Posted: 11/17/2009 1:16:03 AM

I did post a couple of links...
As for refusing to post links...

Looks like I skipped over your Msg: 13 where you did link to some news sources, so I stand corrected. Me = reading comprehension FAIL

I can't help it...I like to pout.

*hands you a *
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 120 (view)
 
Your case for/against God.
Posted: 11/17/2009 1:09:44 AM

Let's. Where on Earth did I use the word "defend"?

You didn't. It was a bad word choice.

 I guess you don't know that half the gadgets you own come from someone watching Star Trek, seeing them use a gadget, and thinking "that would be cool. I wonder if it's possible?"

“But, some of the things we use today were thought of in Science Fiction” is not supporting evidence that the world would be complete crap in the absence of suffering.

You think that you've read all the scientific knowledge and archaeological knowledge there is

If you have archaeological evidence that the stories of the Bible are true, I'm all ears.

I don't think you'd find many who would say it's not theoretically possible for you to appreciate "good" just as much as someone who had been through "bad".

Logical fallacy (argumentum ad populum) – it doesn't matter what the majority of people “think” is true. Truth is truth.

But from what we see of cancer patients in remission

Okay, but you're still arguing that God created this so people can... experience greater joy? The logical extension of this is something like, I can beat you (my wife, child, pastor) , because it'll teach you to... what... have greater joy or something?

There is Judaism's view of G-d, and there is the Xian view of G-d.

Which was my reason for using a forward slash / between the statements. It's shorthand for “or”, as the hyphen – is shorthand for “and”. I believe you mentioned a UK vs US English issue before... maybe this is another “lost in translation” thing?
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Msg: 71 (view)
 
Everything is moving at the Speed of Light
Posted: 11/16/2009 11:56:36 PM

Isn't the ambiguity of verbal communication a pain in the behind?

Sometimes, but in this case, it's not applicable.

When did I ever say just because it came from a dream it makes it true? How about never? Yup, never.

When did you use it as supporting evidence for your postulate? Answer:
You assure me that Nassim doesn't know jack shit because he has dreams and imagined connections, is that it? It's funny you should mention that because it's also been mentioned that Einstein derived his famous equation from a dream. Where do you suppose ideas come from, my dear friend?

What I did say, however, is that it doesn't mean it's BS just because it came from a dream, which is a completely different statement. English 101, anyone?

Indeed. But, no one was discrediting his hypothesis on that criterion. So – the only logical reason for you to bring it up is:
* As supporting evidence for your postulate
* A distraction

I then used Einstein as an example because of the supposed rumor 

What's a supposed rumor?

dreams have some merit as far as the discovery of new ideas.

Indeed. Another fun quote for you: “Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.” - Albert Einstein

and probably why he's not more widely accepted.

Or, because his work is complete crap with no supporting evidence what-so-ever. In point of fact, there's evidence that he's full of crap.

I see how that can be threatening to old school physicists...

Since there's no evidence of his hypothesis that refutes the existing scientific views, it's no more threatening than other superstitions without evidence.
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Msg: 26 (view)
 
Plague in the Ukraine
Posted: 11/16/2009 11:40:48 PM

I said plague in the thread heading not to be sensationalistic

I don't believe you.

Am I being an alarmist?

Yes.

Excuse me all to hell for wanting to make people aware of something the general media seems to be ignoring.

Uh – people have already posted links to credible news sources about this issue (since you refuse to). Kinda takes the wind out of that sail doesn't it?

Oh yeah, and no one's giving you crap for bringing the issue to our attention. We're taking issue with your alarmist attitude & refusal to provide supporting documentation for your claims. I suggest you take it as constructive criticism, better yourself, and quit being such a baby about it.
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Msg: 27 (view)
 
Free speach......... just how far does the right to free speach reach......
Posted: 11/16/2009 7:05:16 PM

From here on in I'll do what George Carlin did and just watch the show.

As opposed to what? Your righteous revolt over how you've been conned out of everything you worked for by a crooked gang of banking thieves? I doubt you're doing this – looks a lot like you're already watching the show, and insinuating I'm not brave... because I'm not participating in this revolt... that isn't happening at all.

I'd say you guys can all go hang yourselves, but you've already done that and don't seem to mind, so what's the point?

If this is what you think of people that disagree with you – then I'll take my current massa over you any day.

If you really like living under a bunch of powermad, crooked thieves who rob you at every turn you're welcome to it.

Again – as opposed to what? In what world do you think there isn't going to be corruption at the highest (and lowest) forms of government? Even in anarchy, those with the money, land & guns rule.

I'm tired of trying to lead people out through the hole in the fence when they won't even look to see it.

It would help if you actually talked about the hole in the fence, instead of talking about this mythical thing... then when asked to describe it, and provide supporting evidence of it, you conveniently decide it's “not worth explaining”.

Enjoy the upcoming depression and the unelected global government it will bring with it.

If there's a depression, I'm sufficiently prepared for it, and will likely financially benefit from it. I doubt a world government will happen in my lifetime (if at all). I see no evidence that any nuclear armed country is ready to give up it's land without a fight.

Guess who gets the bill?

Your kids?

China will be the next #1 superpower within the next ten years

a) Maybe, maybe not
b) If it is, I guess communism does work?
c) NO nation has ever remained #1 – someone else picking up the torch is an inevitability – so what – what's it got to do with ANY of the points that you've made... and I've discredited? Or is it easier to do straw man arguments, and diversionary tactics than to provide any evidence of your claims?
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Msg: 87 (view)
 
A math question: Is there any way to increase your odds when buying lottery tickets?
Posted: 11/16/2009 6:28:25 PM

You've looked at all of the data personally?

All? Certainly not. Enough to make an educated assessment? I believe so. It was a frequent topic in my college mathematics courses. From those discussions / home work, an interest grew about the topic, and I read other statisticians analyses of the various states' lotto data. If you're into that kinda stuff - there's a lot of interesting reads out there. Google is your friend.
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Msg: 63 (view)
 
Everything is moving at the Speed of Light
Posted: 11/16/2009 6:13:56 PM

BukkRogers, sounds like you have an old case of, I've made up my mind, don't confuse me with facts."

Since you've ADMITTEDLY presented no facts:
The drawback is that I don't have any facts to confuse you with, just speculation.

What exactly is your point? Other than to completely scuttle your own statement?

Please explain how you connected the dots between these two things:
* This "physicist" (he's no physicist, by the way) Nassim, if he said what you wrote, doesn't have even the faintest grasp of modern physics. 
* You assure me that Nassim doesn't know jack shit because he has dreams and imagined connections, is that it?

It's funny you should mention that because it's also been mentioned that Einstein derived his famous equation from a dream.

It's equally funny how there's evidence for his theory, but not for Nassims... YET... you seem to think it has merit... not because of evidence... but just because they were “conceived” the same way.

No one's saying, “If it came from a dream it can't be possible.” - we're saying, “Just because it came from a dream, doesn't mean it's true.”. Which I think is totally reasonable. Do you think everything birthed of a dream is aytomagically true?
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Msg: 23 (view)
 
Free speach......... just how far does the right to free speach reach......
Posted: 11/16/2009 5:54:57 PM

Oh isn't that nice of them. Do you have any idea how much that sounds like a plantation worker bragging about how good the "massa" is?...or a kid bragging about how Mom & Dad let him keep a portion of what he makes make delivering papers?

No, I don't presume to know how you interpret things. How about you explain it to me... since... you know... that's how conversations work.

Just who is the boss in the country?

Define “boss”

It obviously isn't "the people" anymore!

In what world was it ever?

These clowns are supposed to be YOUR SERVANTS...WAKE UP!!

I'm awake, I don't think they're clowns (I'm presuming you're referring to our elected officials), and I'm not sure they're supposed to be my personal servant. They're an elected representative.

do you think this is what your founding fathers had in mind for you?

Yes, it's precisely what I think they had in mind for me. Not that it matters. After all – that was 200 years ago - when they didn't think non-land owners, women, and darkies should have the same rights & liberties as I. In fact, certain ethnicities were commodities – property to be bought / sold / treaded as massa wished. Oh... the irony... see what I did there Dukky? It's brilliant. Now you must choose your path wisely:
a) You think the only appropriate vision for our country is the outdated theology of [in Godly deep voice]The Founding Fathers[/end Goodly deep voice]
b) You must concede that their vision was fallible, and in some ways, irrelevant to our lifestyle today

Your post indicates pretty strongly that your country is no longer the "land of the free."

I never thought it was – not in the same way you do I suppose. I believe, even when this country was formed, there was an understanding: The people were allowed to be US citizens – which means they were part of cogs in a machine. As a citizen, you agree to submit to certain laws – you can't go running around shooting people @ random, or you will be punished. You pay taxes, and you will be provided with an army to protect your land from foreign invaders. You will be provided with law enforcement – etc (see above post). You submit to the government, the government provides you with stuff – you provide the government with stuff. That's how it works. USA is the land owner – not you.

If you don't rise up in righteous revolt over how you've been conned out of everything you worked for by a crooked gang of banking thieves (and their lawyer cronies) called the Fed (who have bought most of your "representatives"), you won't be able to claim it as the "home of the brave" either.

If you call me un-brave for not wanting to revolt against one of the best organized, funded, educated, and technologically advanced fighting forces in the world with my... *looks around* I dunno... few hundred rounds of ammunition & hunting rifle... go for it. Then again - *looks through your screen* what exactly are you doing about it there keyboard ninja? See what I did there... wow – you're going to need some aloe vera for that burn mr.

You guys fought a (just) war over this kinda crap two hundred years ago.

No I didn't. I'm only 32 years old.

Have you got the guts to do it again, or is it easier to think that the "massa" is good to you?

*looks at his bank account, laptop, motorcycle, 4 4x4 vehicles, sedan, high definition televisions, internet access, hunting gear, the front door he can walk out of anytime, and the Bill of Rights*
Massa's been very good to me.

Therein lies the deception that puts you in bondage.

Bondage? Bwahahahahaha
I can literally go just about anywhere I want right now... you can type this uneducated dribble... bondage? Really?

There is a very real difference between money and promissory notes. I suggest you learn it.

How about you explain it there genious.

Gold and silver coins are money.

Actually, they're stamped metal. And, like promissory notes, have a perceived value. Unlike promissory notes, I can't use it to pay for my gas, electric bill, rent....

I think JFK issued some real "non-Fed" money too, but I'm not sure. He may have been assassinated before he had the chance.

Well, since you're ignorant about the topic you're pontificating about, allow me to provide you with some material & a tool to help educate you:
http://www.google.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_standard

I might, but you probably won't listen to it...I'm just another nut case conspiracy theorist ranting about the "international bankers".

I really am all ears. You can respond with well articulated claims, explanations of those claims, supporting evidence for those claims etc, or you can continue with the dribble that makes you seem like another nut case conspiracy theorist ranting about the "international bankers". I will respond accordingly.
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Msg: 84 (view)
 
A math question: Is there any way to increase your odds when buying lottery tickets?
Posted: 11/16/2009 5:12:05 PM
Um – okay. I seem to note a logical fallacy:

* I said that if there were some variables that affected the picks, you can't simply dismiss them without knowing what effect they have.
* I'd like to point out, again, that without knowing the effect on the system, you can't say whether it's statistically significant or not.

Yet, you go on to say:

I've been arguing with yna6 that there ISN'T a way and all of the number sequences are equally likely

Am I missing something? Do you think there's something effecting the system in a statistically significant way, or not?

You CAN'T call the difference minuscule if you don't know what the difference is or what effect it has on the system.

This is easily reverse engineered, because we have a sufficient data pool of picks to analize. We expect to see certain patterns, and can make certain predictions with stupid-awesome precision. The predictions for a random system = true, and the predictions for a non-random system = false. So, I already know what the difference is, and what effect it has on the system: not statistically significant.

 Read some of my other posts.

Normally I would, but honestly I'm feeling a bit lazy about it. And, this still holds true:

I'm done reading dribble about people who haven't the first clue about statistics waxing on as if they do.

I'm pretty close to max effort I'm wanting to put into this thread. I've explained the fallacies, and how to correct them. Either people want to understand the value of those statements, and save themselves some money – or they're going to want to think they can “make money fast” or “beat the system”. I've lead the horse to water, as it were – the rest is up to them.
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Msg: 36 (view)
 
Right or Wrong? Your Take on This ...
Posted: 11/16/2009 4:42:08 PM

Guys should take note here, don't take the competition with you.

That's how you look at your friends? Wow – really? Perhaps we're in different places in our lives, and looking for different things. If he gets along with her better than I, and they hit it off – I see it as the team benefiting. Not as a loss.
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Msg: 18 (view)
 
Free speach......... just how far does the right to free speach reach......
Posted: 11/16/2009 4:23:00 PM

Like I said before, all you guys are being played for suckers and you don't own anything you think you do. It all belongs to the government. They (in all their wonderful beneficence) just let you use it to fool you into thinking you're getting something for your labour; it keeps you working & producing for them.

Thank you Captain Obvious, but I think parts of this is very presumptuous of you. I'm very aware that I don't actually “own” anything I think I do. There's plenty of people (gangs, thieves, governments) that have far more power than I do, and can take my things away from me. The reason I keep working & producing for my government is because they also let me keep some of my stuff. They also provide me with more liberties than most other governments. They also give me other services in exchange for my taxes – schools, police, fire protection, food safety, roads, monetary system (bartering is sssooooo 300 BC /end gay Hollywood commentator voice). It also provides me with laws that protect me, and offer me conflict resolution (including civil restitution).

Your dollar isn't money, it is only a promise to pay that discharges the debt

I disagree. I think my dollar is money. Not that it matters, I can use a little plastic card, and that transfers my money to someone else's account – then they have that money. And so on...

What's your suggested alternative? Gold? Barter system? They have the same intrinsic problems – the value of the exchange is subjective. Yes, I can hold gold in my hand. Yes, it's tangible. But, so what – it's VALUE is still subjective. It's also heavy. Barter system? Same thing... but dollars, yen, euros... all these things have perceived values as well. The thing that sucks the most about it, is they're easy to create (read: inflation). The thing that's nice about it, is it's extremely convenient transfer / exchange, and it's a universal(ish) medium (yard stick) with which we can use to compare (measure) the value of everything else... which is the primary function of money... funny how those things gravitated towards each other. Trying to remember the chicken to cow to gallon (US, or UK?) ratio when I'm trying to go on a family trip. If you have a better suggestion, I'm all ears. Until then – I quite like sliding my little plastic card.

All of this is sort of academic anyway isn't it? You know - since I'm just an idiot slave, ignorant that I'm working for "the man" and I don't actually own anything I think I do...
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Msg: 79 (view)
 
A math question: Is there any way to increase your odds when buying lottery tickets?
Posted: 11/16/2009 3:58:54 PM

Okay smart-ass, why don't you explain it to those us not possessing your obvious superior intellect?

I already did: Which will not increase your odds of winning. The whole point of the selection being random is – it doesn't MATTER what the past picks were... the next result is RANDOM. Any result is as likely as another.
You = reading comprehension FAIL

Your responses are nothing more than snarky quips, leading me to believe you don't know what you're talking about.

Which leads me to believe your reasoning skills are [insert quip here]. How you make the connection from snarky quip to ignorance is beyond me. Though, as I type this, I'm suddenly realizing I'm responding to someone asking me to explain something I already explained. Interesting.

Next time you attempt to contribute something to a thread, try not to come off sounding like such an arrogant genius.

Fixed. I'll take your suggestion under advisement.

If there were characteristics about a ball that made it more likely to be picked, you can't say whether or not it's statistically significant without knowing how much more likely it is (or defining "significant").

The key word being: “If”. The scenario you're describing doesn't exist here. If you want to believe the Lotto people are so dumb, they'll make a random number generator that is significantly predictable, you're certainly welcome to believe that. Have fun with your Lotto picks, let me know how that works out for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_significance

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS308US309&defl=en&q=define:Statistically+significant&ei=N-ABS73tD4musQP9tcHFDA&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title&ved=0CAcQkAE

Another quote you comment on starts out with "If perfect randomness is presumed impossible" and you go on to talk about how the fact that it is random means it doesn't matter (did you even read it?!). If a particular machine was predisposed to certain numbers for whatever reason (the actual reason isn't important) and WASN'T random, then yes, knowledge of this can help your chances of winning.

Let's presume perfect randomness is impossible in this particular system. If it's predictability is not statistically significant, then it doesn't matter. You will loose more money than it's worth trying to win by selecting the “more likely” lotto picks.... because the bias is too infrequent for it to matter.

The famous MIT kids who figured out how to beat blackjack figured this out: The presumed randomness of a deck of cards is not random in the traditional sense. Because the cards that are dealt, are removed from play, you can deduct those cards from the “random pool”. So, if there's a ratio shift where most low number cards have been removed from the deck, and there's a significantly higher quantity of high number value cards (which is statistically good for the player), then it's time to bet higher dollar amounts. Note: the way to win is NOT in playing at the right time, it's knowing when the right time is to bet larger dollar amounts (to make up for the losses when the cards in play are against the player). By the way – casinos have figured out how to beat the players again by changing a couple rules. Also note – neither of the systems they used (counting cards & betting strategy) are transferable to lotto.

Someone figured out how to beat roulette too, but... that's not useful to our lotto scenario either... My point is, I do agree there are ways to beat SOME systems if you're clever. I advocate trying to find ways of beating the system and getting rich – I really do. I'm just saying you guys might want to understand how statistics work before trying to apply the theory to beating the Lotto. Do you really think they haven't thought about this stuff?

Again – if you think you can beat the system 'cause there's a minuscule difference in how the balls act – GO FOR IT. If you use evidence from past picks to predict future picks, you haven't the first clue about how silly it looks to a statistician. In random sequences, it's very likely there will be “patterns”. We expect it – just as we expected to have people who win the lottery more than once (this has happened – very close to the time frame when statisticians expected it to). It's rare, but it's expected. If you don't want to be easily parted with your money of foolish ventures, I suggest to you it's important to understand how statistics work before employing them to your financial strategies.

Here's an exercise to illustrate the point for you... rank which poker hands you're likely to be dealt from a shuffled 52 card deck in order from most likely to receive, to least likely to receive:
2 Diamonds, Jack Clubs, King Hearts, 2 Hearts, Eight Spades
10 Hearts, Jack Hearts, Queen Hearts, King Hearts, Ace Hearts
7 Clubs, 8 Spades, 9 Diamonds, 10 Spades, Jack Hearts


Answer:
You're no more likely to receive any of the above hands more than the other. You're more likely to get a straight than a royal flush – but that's because you're not comparing apples to apples. In a “straight”, the suits of the cards is ignored, it's only the numerical sequence that's important. When asking which 5 specific cards are most likely to be dealt, the answer is: each is as likely as the next.
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Msg: 17 (view)
 
Plague in the Ukraine
Posted: 11/16/2009 3:19:00 PM

So are you saying that you would rather wait until it turns up on your doorstep before you'll believe it exists?

If a virus is SO deadly, and spreads SO fast, that it can get from the Ukraine to my doorstep before I see evidence of it existing – then what preventative measure could I take that would matter?

There is plenty of info on the web (and a little in the MSM). At least have a look before you start with the "Chicken Little" crap.

Then link it. This is a Science forum – don't be so shocked that we're asking for evidence of your claims.

The Health Ministry confirmed 315 deaths of flu and acute respiratory viral infections in 23 regions, the city of Kyiv and Crimea as of November 16

Interesting, but how useful are these numbers? How many are from this “super flu”, what's been the death toll from flus in the same time period over the last... say... decade? For all I know, this could be “good” news (if historically 1,000 people died in the same time period year after year). How many people died from traffic accidents, heart failure, and cancer in the same time period?
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Msg: 14 (view)
 
Selling Human Beings on the Intergalactic Space Market
Posted: 11/16/2009 3:05:15 PM

Seriously, any alien intelligence smart enough to conquer the navigational and propulsion problems behind interstellar travel would probably consider us little more than a disease.

Awfully presumptuous of you. A goldfish can't remember anything for more than a few seconds - but they're one of the best selling pets of all time. Compared to humans, dogs aren't all that bright either (have any of them figured out the propulsion problems behind sending someone to the moon & back safely to earth?). However, they're utilized by humans in law enforcement & aiding the disabled.

Oh, and beef tastes good.

OP: hope this post stays around, I think it's a great topic. BOOOOOO to those voting to delete it.
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Msg: 13 (view)
 
Free speach......... just how far does the right to free speach reach......
Posted: 11/16/2009 3:00:06 PM
Link to article & 9th circuit ruling please.
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Msg: 5 (view)
 
Would you have sex with a machine?
Posted: 11/14/2009 10:46:53 AM
Interesting. I don't take my parents (or hers) into consideration when making "adult" purchases.
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Msg: 55 (view)
 
A math question: Is there any way to increase your odds when buying lottery tickets?
Posted: 11/13/2009 7:12:15 PM

However, it's possible the weight of the extra paint for the number 49 compared to the number 1 makes it more likely (just a tiny bit more likely) to pop out first ;)

Not in a statistically significant way.

during the time that a certain few numbers are picked at a disproportianate level, would "betting" on those numbers give you and edge?

No.

you can't discount a bias in the physical process that chooses the numbers, even if it's very small.

Actually, yes I can.

What do you mean by this? I've only taken one stats class, and can't claim to remember all of it......

If I buy 2 lottery tickets, instead of 1, then I'd double the odds of winning. What he means by “not statistically significant” is...
If you start out with a snowball's chance in hell, and add a second snowball, you'd have twice the chance a snowball would make it in hell. But, since the odds are so low of either of these balls making it (despite the fact that you've doubled your chances), it's not statistically significant.

If perfect randomness is presumed impossible, on the other hand, and if you knew which of the machines they'd use that week, you could study previous draws from that machine for patterns and choose the most common numbers.

Which will not increase your odds of winning. The whole point of the selection being random is – it doesn't MATTER what the past picks were... the next result is RANDOM. Any result is as likely as another.

Groupings seem to be a characteristic of randomness.

Okay... I'm done reading dribble about people who haven't the first clue about statistics waxing on as if they do.

Here's an answer for you:
Yes – it's like – totally possible to increase the odds of winning. That's why there's so many people with doctorates / masters degrees in mathematics that can't figure out how to win. *rolls eyes*
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Msg: 296 (view)
 
ok boys which do u prefer boobs or butts?
Posted: 11/13/2009 6:34:59 PM
I'm a leg & butt guy myself
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Msg: 22 (view)
 
Greed... is good? I definitely think so.
Posted: 11/11/2009 4:40:50 PM

All things considered, I think greed - the desire to pursue one's self-interest - is a very good thing in our free market economy. 

By this (very incorrect) definition, you are correct. Thank you Captain Obvious - you get a cookie & a pat on the head.

Call that whatever you want, but it IS greed. 

No, it isn't. This is NOT the definition of Greed. Greed has a component of excess and / or insatiable desire in this place we call “reality”:
excessive desire to acquire or possess more (especially more material wealth) than one needs or deserves
avarice: reprehensible acquisitiveness; insatiable desire for wealth (personified as one of the deadly sins) 
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

That's what separates “greed” from similar words like: desire, want, craving etc.

But I don't buy that as a valid definition of greed.
A better definition of greed is the pursuit of one's self-interest

No, it's not.

That's pisspoor logic in my opinion.

Said the guy who insists that his version of how words should be defined is the way to go. It's as silly as saying blue should really be yellow. Good luck with your argument. *grabs some popcorn*

Is it not greed to contiue working to earn more money when you already have a roof over your head, food on your plate, and clothes on your back? 

No. There's alternate explanations for this:
* Understanding that material items can be stolen, lost, damaged etc and may require money to acquire replacements
* Building up a birds nest for family, or for donating to charity
etc and so on

According to your logic, that is a bad thing. To me, it is very, very good.

Now you're trying to stretch the meaning of “excessive”, and totally missing the point.
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Msg: 118 (view)
 
Your case for/against God.
Posted: 11/11/2009 1:29:08 PM
Let's review:
scorpiomover's defense is something like - "the world would suck, a sci-fi book told me so". Which, I suppose shouldn't be a shock from someone that read the bible and concluded it must be true without any supporting evidence (and continuously mounting scientific / archeological evidence supporting the opposite conclusion).

I can think of one good reason not to....how can appreciate anything that is "good" if you have never experienced anything "bad"?

This is a false dichotomy. Humans are capable of experiencing positive feelings, even in the absence of negative circumstances. I've never been raped, or watched my family die at the hands of a man with a machete - and yet - I'm still able to appreciate & have great joy in my life. I've had items (including a car) stolen from me, but I was able to appreciate & enjoy those things before they were taken from me. I don't need to consume feces to appreciate the awesome flavor of strawberries.

the existence of God being one of those things.

If you believe in God (capitol G), you are religious in the Judea / Christian sense. All other gods are lower case "g".

Other than that - your two incidents (while interesting) don't qualify as evidence, as they're equally well explained by alternative observations:
* Coincidence
* Acknowledgement / embracing of pain / forgiving self / willingness to 'let go' leads to peace & sleep
* Validation prejudices
etc
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Msg: 4 (view)
 
Do Men Like Hearing There Name Said In Bed
Posted: 11/11/2009 11:46:58 AM
It's good stuff
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Msg: 4 (view)
 
Do i move on and settle for 2nd best?
Posted: 11/10/2009 11:06:55 PM

i dont understand how after a year and a half of nothing but good times and learning experienes our relationship can turn into this.

* He's a nut case
* The times weren't as good from his perspective
* He wasn't as dedicated to the relationship as you are

now i have nothing but a basket of confusion

Well, was he breaking up with you, or just asking for space while he figured things out on his end?

he smiled and said that i would.

Ppppsssssttttt.....


People lie.

Do i wait for him or do i settle for 2nd best?

1) Since you've not met every person there is to meet, you don't know that the next guy is second best... or even that the current tool is 63,786th best, or first.
2) Odds are you'll never marry 1st best. The people that have the "1st best" mentalities are the ones that cheat - they find something better, and have sex with him / her. Dedicated couples remain dedicated - even if they find something better. That's what marriage / true commitment is. Any idiot can stay married to the first best / best thing they've ever had / when the times are good.
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Could use a bit of advice.
Posted: 11/10/2009 11:00:36 PM
Do you really want someone that has to take a second look, or "warm up" to you... to see how 'dateable' you are?

It's a bad match - move on.
 NerdStatus
Joined: 1/9/2007
Msg: 12 (view)
 
I can get addicted to you what is he saying?
Posted: 11/10/2009 10:55:48 PM
Sounds like he's trying to tell you he likes you.
 
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