neither!...this was just a game between two weak teams, and the Lions got the better breaks and came out on top!....not saying they didn't deserve it, but that game cudda gone either way.

Stafford lit it up today. 5 touchdowns and 422 yards passing.

Be patient with Stafford. He's a good QB who will adjust to the pro game.

You left out the Jaguars and of course the Saints.

Really what has this team accomplished since the early 1960"s?

Nov. 15 @ Minnesota to break the futility record.

After listening to Matt Millen doing the color in last night's 49ers/Bears game I must say that I do like his presentation in the broadcast booth.

What can Millen truly explain other than how to put together a team that can manage to go winless through a 16 game regular season???

The man was a laughing stock as a GM!

Hell, the totally incompetent Rich Kotite couldn't have done a worse job as a GM!

Yeah, whatever you'll be back. lol

owners going out and getting really good quality players to take them to that level and beyond.

No coach is going to have much success there until the Lions org itself gets their act together.

bill belichick is a prime example of that.

I'm making apples to oranges comparison?

You are going off in 2 diff directions.

Yet I wasn't the one proclaiming that no one had offered him anything. Sounds a bit hypocritical.

I said he had no interest "at this time"

Cowher went out on top? So an 8-8 2006 season record and missing the playoffs is considered going out ontop? I guess if you are a Lions fan it would be. lol

Maybe you missed the point.

When someone says track record all the past performance or accomplishments are inculded into what they done as well and not just what they did the last time.

Ok and was Matt Millen on a sh*tty team when he won those 4 Super Bowls???????

Oh I didn’t know you were his personal agent or apart of his inner loop, please enlightening us all.

Bill Cowher hasn’t had any outside interest in him lately because he told everyone when he left the Steelers that he had no desire to coach again at this time.

Let’s see I’d consider him not only winning the division when he was head coach for the 49ers good, but also taking them to the playoffs the 4 out of the 6 years he was there.

Not to mention he was the part of the coaching staff for the packers in which OBTW coached a guy buy the name of Bret Favre in which he won a Superbowl with.

find it funny how you will blame him, but yet every coach that went there hasn't had any luck with that org.

That's hypocritical to say then that no one had interest in him after he was fired, obv there was some interest or else his name wouldn't have been mentioned in the first place in regards to becoming the head coach of Mich and the Redskins. So obv there has been interest.

But to say that he is a bad coach when clearly he has a good track record is utterly false.

opinionated views

Just because he couldn't take the lions to the playoffs in two years (and neither can anyone else for that matter) doesn't make him a bad coach.

he just like soo many other coaches in the past that were head coach of the Lions were just in a bad org peroid.

iam sorry when u said most fans i didnt know you meant most lion fans

just 2 more game they are now 9-7 and some years that will get u into the playoffs

i tend to agree with this , at 7-9 atleast the fans have some hope that the team is a couple of players away from making it to the playoffs , at 0-16 theres not much hope that you are heading in the right direction, besides there are alot of teams that have gone from 7-9 to the playoffs the next year. not that 7-9 is good but atleast there is some hope.

I think many people would agree that 0-16 is a hell of a lot worse then going 7-9.

Yeah but what did they do a year later without him 3-13, they went completely backwards to where they were a year ago at that time. That's what i was looking at season to season and how they slowly progressed each years from where they were a year ago before that.

Improving from worse to bad wouldn't be an improvment worth noting anywhere else but in the Lions org that's a positive considering everything else around you is a complete mess.

He got fired in the middle of that season

Personally I would love to see the Lions make the playoffs

I mean, the lions were improving every year in their record. Mariucci had them going on the right path, which their record clearly showed that.

Marinelli went from 3-13 in 2006 to 7-9 in 2007

Mariucci not only progressed the team, but was consistent at doing so as well.

The lions were nowhere near playoff caliber when Mariucci was head coach? I disagree with that. They went from 2-14 2001 to 3-13 in 2002 pre Mariucci era to 5-11 in 2003, 6-10 in 2004 and he got fired in 2005 at 4-7, but each year the Lions were getting better and better when he was coaching. There is no doubt in my mind that Mariucci couldn't have taken them to the playoffs given another year or two.

Just like Palmer did for the Bengals, Stafford is going to do for the Lions.

I don't know what matt millen was smoking at the time when he got rid of Steve Mariucci. Steve had the Lions on the verge of being a playoff caliber team when he was coaching their. Damn shame to, who knows how many times the Lions would have been to the playoffs already if Steve Mariucci was still head coach there. If what';s his face doesn't work out within the next couple seasons, IMO the Lions should go try to go Steve Mariucci again if he is still not coaching and gurantee him to a 5 year contract. He was one of the best head coach imo that the Lions ever had.

I'm not changing the parameters of the convo. We were talking about going winless, which was the basis of the whole convo.

which is the point of the discussion at hand regarding going winless twice

Well obv you knew what I meant by going winless

See now lions fans are hoping for the Bucs to go 0-16, because they would be the first team in franchise history to ever go 0-16 twice and everyone will make a much bigger deal about that then when the lions went 0-16 once, lol.

So let me get this straight, you're trying to microscope something that's irrelevant to the fact that still happened during the modern NFL era?

Not really or else the media wouldn't have continued to bring it up for years and years after it happened until another team went winless in the season.

It was still a winless season in the post superbowl NFL AFL merger hense why people bring it up still today, because it counts during the modern era.

See now lions fans are hoping for the Bucs to go 0-16, because they would be the first team in franchise history to ever go 0-16 twice

Don't believe it!........

I can see John Lackey in Pinstrips next year!...if the Yanks don't get him, i'd bet he'll end up with the Bsx!

anything can happen in that division come next year!

This thread is dead until march when spring training comes to full swing

Congratulations to the 2010 World Champion New York Yankees!

I hope they give the MVP to Matsui.

Congratulations to the New York Yankees!!!!!!

because they would be the first team in franchise history to ever go 0-16 twice

The Lions still have a chance to get those '82-'84 Oilers.

Another store bought championship for the Yankees. This is unexpected.

We'll be goin' back to NY on Wednesday

I wouldn't be bettin' the farm on it.

I think the advantage goes the Yankees way with Burnett over Pedro tomorrow and should win game 2.

possible last outing (isn't he getting close to retirement?)