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 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 323 (view)
 
Obama/Romney...the world is wondering.
Posted: 11/16/2012 8:56:57 AM
One has to laugh at the Republican adult adolescence...

Let me see if i have this right...

Texas has racked up about 100,000 signatures. Six others from Louisiana, Florida, North Carolina, Alabama, Georgia and Tennessee have collected 30,000. Montana, North Dakota, Indiana, Mississippi, Kentucky, New Jersey, Colorado, Oregon and New York have all collected 25000 signatures.

Of these 15 states... Texas, Louisiana, Florida, North Carolina, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Montana, North Dakota, Indiana, Mississippi, and Kentucky... 12 RED states... which RECEIVE more federal assistance per person than they pay in... all want to secede? Considering many of these states also number among the lowest in terms of k to 12 education, maybe it shouldn't be that big a surprise. Do they not realize or appreciate how much sucking they're doing on the government teet?

For chuckles... lets say we pull all of the military and other federally sponsored programs (NASA, etc.) out of TX and they secede. How long will it be before the Mexican military rolls in and reclaims them as a state? Then they can belong to Mexico instead of the U.S.! And when any of those red neck boys want to emigrate to the remaining U.S., they'll of course go through the legitimate immigration process. lol
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 12 (view)
 
ObamaCare 29 hour work week?
Posted: 11/16/2012 8:23:31 AM
Let me see if i have this right... the argument is that companies are going to reduce an employee's hours to under 30 in order to avoid having to pay for employee health care... whether as a contribution to a health insurance plan or penalty for not offering health care insurance.

Therefore, let's say i have a business and i need workers for 120 hours during a particular week. I will now need four employees to work 30 hours each rather than three workers to work 40 hours each. So i need to increase my head count by 33% in order to save $ 4500 per year ($ 1500 x 3 that i would have to pay if they worked 40 hours without health insurance).

That means i need to advertise more to find the additional employee. I need to interview people, select an additional one and then train an additional one. I then have the costs of managing an additional person (training, team creation, etc.) as well as doing all of the accounting for the additional person. Then, since they're only working 30 hours per week, if they get a better offer, they will leave. So my employee turnover will be higher, meaning i will have to advertise , interview, select, train, manage and account for even more people - including the one that left and the new one that replaced the one that left. And lastly, i have to probably spend even more time managing and training more part time employees if i want to continue to deliver the same level of customer service that i would have delivered with fewer full time employees.

Hmmm... end of the day... I think it's pretty safe to say any business that thinks increasing head count by 33% with all part time employees is less costly than the health insurance alternative is simply going to learn the hard way.
When the product quality and the customer service decline and they start losing customers, the small incremental cost for health insurance is going to look very cheap... and that's business.

For those who don't wish to believe the above... please also consider that Costco pays its employees 20% MORE than similar competitors to avoid the turnover and other costs as well as improve their product and service... and the result is... they are kicking their competitors' butts.
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 554 (view)
 
Mitt Romney
Posted: 10/16/2012 8:20:49 PM
Listening to Romney tonight describe how he would get tough on China and invest in Latin America, I couldn't help but remember an executive meeting at Walmart headquarters a few months ago. Walmart and Costco already recognize that China is rapidly becoming a consumer nation and prices of goods are rising fast... so high and so fast that they will not be able to continue to import from China. Walmart is already investing in new factories to produce the goods in Latin America and Walmart is already reducing its imports from China. Romney is trying to take future credit for a market shift that is already well underway.
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 115 (view)
 
I wonder what is on the Mittster's tax return that he does not want us to see?
Posted: 10/12/2012 6:56:33 AM
Why doesn't Mitt release his tax returns?

Could it be that he made so much money then pushed so much abroad into tax havens and used so many loopholes that he paid virtually no tax?
That probably wouldn't go over too well with the middle class.
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 1045 (view)
 
Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 10/12/2012 6:49:16 AM
Who in or from Iraq attacked the U.S. providing us a reason to invade Iraq? Answer: no one

Did Iraq have WMDs? Answer: no

What was the cost of the war in Iraq? Answer: $ 1.4 trillion (about 10% of the total national debt)

How many U.S. casualties occured in Iraq? Answer: 4300 dead; 30,000+ wounded
Of course the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi casualties don't matter because they can't vote in the U.S... and they're Muslims anyway.

How many U.S. casualties were the children of the top 2% of U.S. wealthiest households? Speculation: NONE

All brought to you, the good people of the United States, by Republican Christian Fascists... "we must be doing the right thing, we're Christians"
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 497 (view)
 
Mitt Romney
Posted: 10/12/2012 6:21:00 AM
"All your arguments are invalid. This video proves it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlwilbVYvUg"

You're using a youtube video as proof of something? really?
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 496 (view)
 
Mitt Romney
Posted: 10/12/2012 6:19:47 AM
Jamie Dimon, CEO of JP Morgan Chase, blames Republicans and Candidate Paul Ryan for Slow Economy
By Jennifer Liberto at CNNMoney
The outspoken CEO of the nation's largest bank, JPMorgan Chase is lashing out at candidate Paul Ryan and House Republicans for playing politics and the mishandling of a host of economic issues -- from the fiscal cliff to Simpson Bowles. Dimon, whose JP Morgan Bank beat the street this morning, was speaking at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington.
“If Washington had passed the Bowles-Simpson tax plan last year, the US economy would be booming.”
The plan was a bipartisan proposal that was commissioned by the Obama Administration and proposed eliminating tax loopholes so that more people and companies pay taxes. “Paul Ryan and house tea party Republicans blocked Simpson-Bowles to further their own agenda rather than provide for the nation.”
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 45 (view)
 
The debates
Posted: 10/12/2012 5:54:56 AM
Jamie Dimon, CEO of JP Morgan Chase, blames Republicans and Candidate Paul Ryan for Slow Economy
By Jennifer Liberto at CNNMoney
The outspoken CEO of the nation's largest bank, JPMorgan Chase is lashing out at candidate Paul Ryan and House Republicans for playing politics and the mishandling of a host of economic issues -- from the fiscal cliff to Simpson Bowles. Dimon, whose JP Morgan Bank beat the street this morning, was speaking at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington.
“If Washington had passed the Bowles-Simpson tax plan last year, the US economy would be booming.”
The plan was a bipartisan proposal that was commissioned by the Obama Administration and proposed eliminating tax loopholes so that more people and companies pay taxes. “Paul Ryan and house tea party Republicans blocked Simpson-Bowles to further their own agenda rather than provide for the nation.”
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 24 (view)
 
Short Ryan interview
Posted: 10/12/2012 5:53:23 AM
Jamie Dimon, CEO of JP Morgan Chase, blames Republicans and Candidate Paul Ryan for Slow Economy
By Jennifer Liberto at CNNMoney
The outspoken CEO of the nation's largest bank, JPMorgan Chase is lashing out at candidate Paul Ryan and House Republicans for playing politics and the mishandling of a host of economic issues -- from the fiscal cliff to Simpson Bowles. Dimon, whose JP Morgan Bank beat the street this morning, was speaking at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington.
“If Washington had passed the Bowles-Simpson tax plan last year, the US economy would be booming.”
The plan was a bipartisan proposal that was commissioned by the Obama Administration and proposed eliminating tax loopholes so that more people and companies pay taxes. “Paul Ryan and house tea party Republicans blocked Simpson-Bowles to further their own agenda rather than provide for the nation.”
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 999 (view)
 
Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 10/4/2012 3:27:48 PM
And God willing, your employer will continue to provide you with decent health insurance... and then you'll inevitably be on Medicare and, if you like, you can also purchase supplemental insurance... so you'll never have to concern yourself with ObamaCare.

On the other hand, there are millions of full time employees who are not offered health insurance throught their company. These are the people that need public health insurance... a modicum of basic care... it doesn't have to cover everything... it's simply better than having nothing.
Lastly... according to the Congressional Budget Office... ObamaCare saves taxpayer money over time.
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 174 (view)
 
Perfect Moment to rid us of Limbaugh
Posted: 10/3/2012 8:41:52 AM
"They all have almost the exact same 'viewpoint'. They all lean towards language that slants towards the preference of one group over another. The reason you see Faux as so biased is because it is literally the opposite viewpoint. If there really were a balance in the media you would hear both sides all around. If you think Fox news is biased it is because it does not represent what you wish to hear. "

This is wholly unsubstantiated CRAP.

Neilsen performs the research that the right uses as its basis for accusing media of being left biased but, the research doesn't say that. For several decades, Neilsen has found that the media folks, at times, regardless of how hard they try to be neutral, can't help but exhibit a natural human tendency to root for the underdog. So when the media reports anything from a guy fighting a corporation to the bad news bears trying to win the little league world series, it's human nature to at times exhibit a bias... even though they are not trying to purposefully do so. Neilsen has also repeatedly found that, when several reporters cover the same story, there will be a 60/40 mix of bias favoring the underdog... but the audience still hears BOTH sides of the story.
In comparison, Rupert Murdoch has not made it a secret that, each day, he personally DIRECTS how the news will be reported in order to keep your employment at Fox. This is a purposeful bias of any story.
For me, when I want Murdoch's opinion, I'll call him and ask for it.
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 975 (view)
 
Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 10/3/2012 8:13:11 AM
"OBAMACARE- RATIONING IS INEVITABLE"

Please remember that we're talking about health INSURANCE... so if you don't want public health insurance, then all you need to do is buy private health insurance. If you can't afford private health insurance, then any insurance is better than no insurance.
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 973 (view)
 
Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 10/3/2012 7:59:49 AM
"The Court has upheld government involvement in religion in a number of cases since Everson in 1947."

In Everson... the Court acknowledged that "the First Amendment was intended to erect a wall of separation between church and state"; however, the Court found that the plan to reimburse parents for bus transportation (to/from parochial school) came under the child benefit theory.

IMO... the world would be a far better place if all religion were outlawed from all government. The fact that middle east countries respect establishments of religion in their governments is what creates this animosity and hatred between nations. This holds true for Israel and the U.S. as well. It's religious fascism.
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 970 (view)
 
Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 10/3/2012 7:27:30 AM
"The constitutional duty of any U.S. President is the security of the United States, not the contentment of the rest of the world. Anyone who doesn't like that hard fact had better learn to."

I wholly agree BUT... spending hundreds of billions of dollars on defense each year doesn't seem to be doing anything but making us a target and getting us deeper in debt. So how about we take a more neutral position in the world and see if end up as less of a target... then put that money to better use.

And since you're a fan of Robert Kennedy...
"There is discrimination in this world and slavery and slaughter and starvation. Governments repress their people; millions are trapped in poverty while the nation grows rich and wealth is lavished on armaments everywhere. These are differing evils, but they are the common works of man. They reflect the imperfection of human justice, the inadequacy of human compassion, our lack of sensibility towards the suffering of our fellows."
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 959 (view)
 
Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 10/2/2012 7:16:10 AM
"What is required under the Brandenburg rule is for the speech to be *directed* to causing lawless action--and *imminent* lawless action. This trailer was released months before this incident, which is a little inconvenient for anyone trying to argue that it was likely to incite or produce imminent lawless action. And if there is any evidence for your assertion that "it was created to provoke a lawless response," you haven't presented it."

You should check your facts more carefully... the trailer produced in English in July and under a different title didn't produce the desired response so what did the producers do? They changed the title to get more attention, dubbed in the arabic translation and then posted it for easier access to the Muslim world in early September. As soon as it was aired on Arabic television, violence broke out and within two days the embassy folks were dead. Now if that isn't directing it to provoke imminent lawless action, i don't know what is.
Was the attack on the embassy an already planned attack? Neither you or I know that for sure yet. What we do know is that this video was directed to provoke immediate lawless action throughout the Muslim world.
Congratulations to the Christian Fascists supporting it.
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 958 (view)
 
Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 10/2/2012 6:53:33 AM
"Barack Hussein Obama is Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. military. And yet time and again, he has released Muslim jihadists who murdered our servicemen. That's hardly a disincentive to any jihadist who is thinking of murdering more of them. I wonder if, when he thinks of these jihadists, he doesn't sometimes see his Kenyan Muslim father, lashing out against the white, western, Christian oppressors."

While you're wondering... i too am wondering if those released had originally been captured in Iraq where we shouldn't have been in the first place. Of course, violating international law to invade a country that hasn't attacked us is no big deal to a Christian fascist because afterall... they were "bad muslims." So yes... if i were a citizen of Iraq and you illegally invaded my country, then threw me in prison, perhaps tortured me a bit but, then let me go, i would kill a few of you for a little payback if i had the chance... but it would have nothing to do with me being a "Muslim jihadist." That's just a name you seem to need to try to justify Christian fascism.
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 957 (view)
 
Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 10/2/2012 6:39:17 AM
"Mr. Obama's father was a Muslim. I don't believe he is one. But it really doesn't matter, if he is more sympathetic to their resentments than he is to the principles in our Constitution. And I suspect he is. I think that just as his socialist father resented the British as white colonialist oppressors, and just as his teenage mentor and communist agitator Frank Marshall Davis resented America as the land of white oppression, Obama wants to see the U.S. humbled as payback for what he sees as its historic sins."

Perhaps Obama's foreign policy simply wants to bring America more to the center with fairness to all... respecting the Muslim faith as much as he respects the Jewish faith, the Christian faith, etc... as opposed to the Christian Fascism touted by Republican presidents since the McCarthy era?
It's the same old Hitler strategy learned from the Christian church... focus on a single enemy, endlessly repeat the accusations and the feeble minded will believe it... particularly those who are already trained to believe information out of faith without questioning the fact. If that doesn't work, then try to strike fear to persuade the stubborn. Same old same old.
How about we just adhere to the first amendment and keep ALL religion out of the government.
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 66 (view)
 
President Obama does the right thing!
Posted: 9/28/2012 6:54:06 AM
The concepts for the DREAM act were first put forward by a democrat... Representative Luis Gutiérrez as the "Immigrant Children's Educational Advancement and Dropout Prevention Act of 2001" - H.R.1582 during the 107th Congress.

The subsequent DREAM act requirements are so ludicrous for most that very few will qualify. Considering that most illegal males have an education level of less than 6th grade and the DREAM act requires they graduate from high school, then attend at least junior college for two years with a restriction that they can't receive any grant funds even if they would otherwise qualify... is pretty much a non starter for the vast majority.
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 911 (view)
 
Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 9/28/2012 6:17:18 AM
My statement - "The United States Supreme Court has long held that your rights under the First Amendment do not apply to speech which incites violence."

Your response - That is simplistic and not accurate.... I have come to expect leftists to dislike the First Amendment almost as much as the Islamists they carry water for, and they are fond of making false and misleading claims about it.

My retort... The U.S. Supreme Court's defined position...
The Incitement Test (Brandenburg) Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969)
"The constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation EXCEPT where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action."

The recent video is racially motivated and defiles Mohammed... it was created to provoke a lawless response... and therefore it is not protected under the first amendment. Sorry... but you're dead wrong... and the people which created and supported the creation of the video can and should be prosecuted for the embassy deaths.
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 910 (view)
 
Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 9/28/2012 5:16:27 AM
"Now if the above quote doesn't clearly identify the GOP / Republican strategy for the last 70 years including the attacks on Obama now, i don't know what does."

And apparently one leftist tactic is to associate the Republican Party with Adolf Hitler. Cliche, and just as absurd now as it was when communist propagandists first started using it.

Again... you make claims with no substantiation whatsoever. It must be absurd because? Remember, it's also the mantra of the Christian church... which is where Hitler stated he got the idea in the first place.
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 909 (view)
 
Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 9/28/2012 5:12:24 AM
"i guess we must have had hundreds of spies and they all betrayed us to the Godless Soviet Union... "

Your words, not mine.

Wow... you remove a portion of a sentence and claim it represents the entire thought... why is that? Because you have no answer to the evidence presented in the rest of the sentence to support your positiion?
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 63 (view)
 
President Obama does the right thing!
Posted: 9/20/2012 5:08:20 PM
"So now, let me get this right, the population of Latin America will migrate north into the United States, legally or illegally, because it's in their best interest.
Isn't that why some countries have , and enforce, borders?"

Yes it is... but it's also why, short of killing them, regardless of what fence you put up or costly initiatives you execute to keep them out, they will still be coming... they have to... it's a matter of life and death... you're throwing buckets of water back into the ocean while you're trying to keep the beach dry. How much money do you want to spend doing that?

Make them legal and TAX them.
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 62 (view)
 
President Obama does the right thing!
Posted: 9/20/2012 5:01:58 PM
"And that no doubt includes illegally invading other sovereign nations and murdering millions? Oh wait ... that was just collateral damage for doing what good moral citizens do who enjoy the rights and protections given to US citizens ... right?"

Touche Cotter! :-)
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 883 (view)
 
Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 9/20/2012 4:59:45 PM
"Far from placating Islamists, Mr. Obama's bowing and scraping has *encouraged* the outbreak of Islamist extremism we are seeing in the Arab world. The United States needs a President other nations will not dare disrespect."

So if Obama hunts down the perpetrators of the embassy killings and brings them to justice, he must be placating to Islamists? Really?


"What in the Constitution authorizes a President to coerce Americans into abandoning their First Amendment rights because what they choose to say enrages bloodthirsty fanatics in some flea-bitten hinterland?"

The United States Supreme Court has long held that your rights under the First Amendment do not apply to speech which incites violence. You can like it, you can not like it but it doesn't matter because that's the way it is and those rulings had nothing to do with Obama. Obama is a constitutional lawyer and the President of the United States and, as such, he is going to uphold that law per his solemn oath.
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 882 (view)
 
Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 9/20/2012 4:50:20 PM
"Hundreds of them worked in the federal government in the late '40's and early '50's, betraying us to the Soviet Union."

i guess we must have had hundreds of spies and they all betrayed us to the Godless Soviet Union... after they split the atom, created the nuclear bomb dropped on Japan, put us on the moon, and helped to create the ICBMs aimed... oh right... at the Soviet Union.

"Leftists don't like capitalism."

Hmmm... Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Jim Sinegal, Warren Buffett... on and on... are all left leaning democrats so you might want to rethink that claim.

"The Hollywood halfwit stars who like to play at being reds"

i guess when you don't have facts to support your position, you have to name call and be demeaning...

The receptivity of the masses is unlimited, yet their understanding is feeble. They quickly forget. Effective propaganda must be confined to stereotypes. Always focus people's attention on a single foe. To have multiple enemies confuses people. Crude simplifications, endlessly repeated will influence the supple. For the non-supple, the stubborn, terror is necessary. Adolf Hitler

Now if the above quote doesn't clearly identify the GOP / Republican strategy for the last 70 years including the attacks on Obama now, i don't know what does.
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 154 (view)
 
Former Navy Seal Rebukes Obama
Posted: 9/20/2012 4:33:28 PM
"the CIA & Obama campaign are setting up a race/religion war both overseas & back home. "

The receptivity of the masses is unlimited, yet their understanding is feeble. They quickly forget. Effective propaganda must be confined to stereotypes. Always focus people's attention on a single foe. To have multiple enemies confuses people. Crude simplifications, endlessly repeated will influence the supple. For the non-supple, the stubborn, terror is necessary. Adolf Hitler

Now if the above quote doesn't clearly identify the GOP / Republican strategy for the last 70 years including the attacks on Obama now.
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 60 (view)
 
President Obama does the right thing!
Posted: 9/17/2012 7:42:24 AM
"Why is it that liberals support the people breaking our laws while bashing the people that pay the most of the taxes that these illegals take."

The wealthy pay the most taxes but not in the same proportion paid by the middle class. The wealthy influence the establishment of rules that specifically benefit themselves and that are not in the best interests of the nation and nation building. Example: there is not a single instance in U.S. history where a tax cut increased business investment and employment. Quite the contrary, a tax cut means the wealthy individual has the opportunity to extract more money from the business for themselves and then transfer it to a safe haven where it is taxed less if at all. Every tax reduction in U.S. history has resulted in increased unemployment. If you think this is inaccurate, then simply obtain the data from the U.S. Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics.

With regard to illegals... the simple fact is if they stay in Latin America, where the life expectancy in many areas is 45 years of age, they die. Otherwise, they have to get into the U.S... legally or illegally... regardless of whether we send them back or not... they will come back because they have to in order to stay alive. It's precisely what anyone would do. So make them legal and TAX the income already!
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 65 (view)
 
I wonder what is on the Mittster's tax return that he does not want us to see?
Posted: 9/17/2012 7:30:30 AM
Perhaps he's hiding money in a Swiss or a Caribbean island bank in order to avoid taxes?

Perhaps it will be revealed that he made investments to undermine one or more U.S. businesses in order to make money for himself?
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 858 (view)
 
Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 9/17/2012 7:26:50 AM
"What in the Constitution authorizes a President to coerce Americans into abandoning their First Amendment rights because what they choose to say enrages bloodthirsty fanatics in some flea-bitten hinterland? Nothing! "

Incorrect. The first amendment does not give you the right to speech which incites violence. As such, those who created the film are wholly responsible for the deaths at our embassy and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.


"And to hell with what they like, or don't like. Instead of wringing our hands about making *them* angry, we should make them lie awake worrying about making *us* angry. "

Oh yeah, that's a good approach. That'll work out well. NOT.
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 857 (view)
 
Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 9/17/2012 6:36:53 AM
"Those of you with experience in the business world, this one's for you:
If a new CEO is hired for a major company, and after 4 years the company's performance did not measure up to the goals set forth, and that CEO gave the excuse that the previous CEO has messed up the company real bad, what is the likelihood that the current CEO will be re-hired? "

They give him a reasonable amount of time and if the company's performance is improving, they keep him.
The goal is to make steady progress toward improvement.
That's why i'm voting for Obama.

I can prove the U.S. has continually improved over the last four years. The Republicans drinking their holy water only have their repeated rhetoric. But repeating the same false claims over and over, don't make them true.
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 801 (view)
 
Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 9/12/2012 11:01:58 AM
"The language used by Obama and the liberal democrats is the language known to foster revolt. It is not in the best interest of the future of the country to go down that road. "

First Amendment...
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

So it is not only in the best interest of the country to go down that road... it is a part of our fundamental rights to petition the government for a redress of grievances... AND it's an obligation to do so.
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 800 (view)
 
Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 9/12/2012 10:53:42 AM
"Obama caters to Muslims!! Did you get that??? "

I am not saying that Obama does or doesn't give voice to Islam... so long as the religion doesn't come into my government... I don't care!
Do I think he should reach out to the Islamic world and try to bring people together to discuss their differences and improve peace on earth and good will toward men... absolutely.

"He also has a tendency to ignore/ deny other religious events, did you get that??? "

I am not saying that Obama does or doesn't give voice to other religious events... so long as the religion doesn't come into my government... I don't care!

Frankly, while I believe there is a "God", I think religion is the root of all evil... Satan incarnate. More attrocities have occurred during the last 2000 years under the guise of religion than anything else.
As for the U.S.... we entered a period of Christian Fascism after WW II... otherwise known as McCarthyism... we've never come out of it and it's destroying us...
The founding fathers established the country with religious freedom... so individuals can choose their own religion and follow it as they wish PRIVATELY... religion is not now or has it ever been supposed to be a part of our government.
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 3 (view)
 
Clinton 2016
Posted: 9/5/2012 5:50:10 AM
Ronald Reagan was 70 when he first became president of the United States.

Hilary will turn 69 just before the 2016 election.

God willing... it's Obama for four more years and Hilary for eight after that.
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 298 (view)
 
Mitt Romney
Posted: 9/5/2012 5:45:02 AM
"So, yeah... I totally support abandoning everything Obama is trying to do because will not ever work."

From 1968 to 2008, 40 years, we had 28 years of republican presidencies and 12 years of democratic presidencies. From 2001 to 2009, we had a republican president AND six of those eight years a wholly republican congress. Are you really going to try to suggest that the republican platform has worked out better for everyone?

I propose to you that the republican platform is what will never work to build a nation.
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 297 (view)
 
Mitt Romney
Posted: 9/5/2012 5:27:37 AM
"When he says he will rebuild from the ground up that does in fact require the deconstruction of the country. "

Why does addressing each situation and rebuilding it from the ground up require the deconstruction of the current situation? Why can't current methods be continued while new initiatives are instituted to complement what is already in place... ultimately leading to the new initiatives assuming the majority of the solution (i.e. rebuilt from the ground up)?
 vglguysksfun
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Msg: 296 (view)
 
Mitt Romney
Posted: 9/5/2012 5:20:50 AM
"After Eisenhower it was found the tax reductions spurred economic growth which could actually increase the tax base by having more people employed. "

Prove it. Show the numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The absolute fact you will find is no tax reduction has ever sufficiently spurred the economy to pay for itself and no tax reduction has ever increased employment... in fact, quite the opposite... tax cuts have always resulted in increased unemployment.
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 745 (view)
 
Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 9/5/2012 5:02:29 AM
"Yes, I see a glaring trend - namely your repeated insistence on using percent increases instead of the actual numbers. Doing so uses the massive increases under Bush (and nobody is claiming he was fiscally conservative) as a baseline to make Obama's spending (increases) appear to be "not so bad". I have explained this to you in the past - but you apparently either fail to understand simple math, or are intentionally being misleading. "


Your argument suggests that Obama... or any new president... inherits a clean slate to begin with. Since we all know and have to acknowledge that is patently not true, I would expect you should back your position with pertinant facts and opinion about what should have been done and what the results would have been. Can you also point to any time in U.S. or any other countries history where spending was cut by more than 10% from year to year... who did it, how they did it and what the results were?
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 45 (view)
 
Here we go again ... Leon Panetta warns Iran to keep Strait of Hormuz open ... OR ELSE!
Posted: 1/17/2012 1:50:55 PM
"My point remains -- America seems to want to dictate to the world - It spent how many years fighting communism? Taking the world to the brink of nuclear war?"

I don't believe the U.S. wants to dictate to the world but, I do agree that the GOP are relatively paranoid, fascist Christians bent on maintaining Christianity with the strongest military... which is why we spend more on defense each year than all other nations combined. However, through all of this, we also acknowledge the true power of the nuclear weapon.


Now it sees Islam as a threat to world peace ? So it wants to bring down any Islamic government ?"

You can't really justify this comment since we're friendly with Saudi Arabia and other Islamic nations / governments. What is rightly seen as a threat is fascism... whether it is Islamic fascism or Christian fascism or Nazi fascism.


Not every Muslim is a terrorist and not every terrorist is a Muslim - Just because Iran develops a nuclear capability does not mean its a threat to world peace.

Iran does not seem to be governed by everyday practicing Muslims. You're speaking about a fascist government that has stated the holocaust never happened, they have sworn to the destruction of Israel, and they seek to convert all peoples of the world to Islam. Add to this that they are not the wealthiest of nations but they are willing to overly invest in developing weapons of mass destruction and they are only threatened with invasion if they do so. So why not live in peace and use the oil money to create a great Islamic society instead of a militaristic society? Why do you suppose they are so determined to develop a nuclear weapon capability?


"There are many people in this world that see the USA as a threat to world peace....But then while your singing the Star Spangled Banner your just not listening...."

This i agree with... particularly when it comes to Republicans who thump their chests proclaiming patriotism and Christian righteousness.
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 107 (view)
 
Why is Religion such an important factor in Politics?
Posted: 1/16/2012 8:02:21 AM
After 66 years of failed overtly Christian Conservativism in the United States, perhaps it is time for the left to become a little fanatical.

As for Christianity, or for that matter any religion, no establishment of any religion should be made into law. Religion is a personal preference... not something to be imposed on an entire society by even the majority.
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 437 (view)
 
If you could do it again: Would you vote for Obama Today?
Posted: 1/16/2012 7:48:26 AM
If i were Bush or Cheney, i wouldn't venture too far out of the U.S. for fear of finding myself on trial in the Hague.
Entering Afghanistan after 9/11 was acceptible and appropriate but, there is no question they violated the U.N. Charter and, doing so, violated the U.S. Constitution by entering Iraq. Therefore, all Iraqi deaths were war crimes on their hands.
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Rick Santorum
Posted: 1/16/2012 7:42:31 AM
How do you suppose Santorum or Romney would answer the following question...

"Should the United States be able to establish laws which respect specifically Christian beliefs and the Christian faith?"
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 90 (view)
 
Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 1/16/2012 7:35:25 AM
You are listening to and find Mark Levin credible?

You know... 70 million Germans once believed Joseph Goebbels
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 434 (view)
 
If you could do it again: Would you vote for Obama Today?
Posted: 1/15/2012 8:12:17 AM
"This is why Clinton ran things well while he was in office and Obama has ran things into the ground."

what i see is a GOP organization that seized on Obama's campaign claim that he has a talent for bringing people of opposing views together to hammer out solutions and, upon his victory, the GOP decided they were not going to negotiate on any issue and would defy the President on every issue. they do this under the guise of patriotism and christian righteousness... but, in fact, they are the furthest from patriotic or the teachings of Jesus...
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 433 (view)
 
If you could do it again: Would you vote for Obama Today?
Posted: 1/15/2012 8:02:32 AM
She's prepping for 2016 to follow Obama... Go Hillary !
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 1316 (view)
 
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 1/3/2012 8:36:13 AM
Corporate profits were just reported for 2011 as a new record high... yet we still have millions of people underpaid and millions of others unemployed.

The GOP and Tea Partiers are sowing the seeds of a wholesale revolution at the polls... and then, in true form, they'll blame others for the radical nature of the change... claiming they had nothing to do with creating the situation.
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 60 (view)
 
Are You Better Off Now Than You Were Four Years Ago?
Posted: 1/3/2012 8:30:24 AM
"Here we are...3 to 4 years later and things have gotten EVEN worse. "

What is worse today? The only thing i can think of is the deficit is higher.
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 406 (view)
 
If you could do it again: Would you vote for Obama Today?
Posted: 1/3/2012 8:26:40 AM
i think you're right on here... the bill funds the military... again with too much money though but, we're out of Iraq and Afghanistan... so that alone saves trillions, not just billions... and it imposes sanctions on Iran...

What has me fascinated is that Obama gets criticized for what is basically a more permanent extension of the Patriot Act by those who supported the Patriot Act in the first place! Obama got what he wants in the other provisions and now he'll simply order the military not to impose that portion of the law and just let the ACLU file suit and it will be up to the Supreme Court to rule those portions of the law that are unconstitutional.
The problem with the approach is if a republican becomes president... like Santorum the fascist... and the ACLU fails... then we'll have a big problem.
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 88 (view)
 
Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 1/3/2012 8:07:34 AM
"You guys live in denial...have you noticed that all of the historical markers for a good economy have been changed since Obama has taken office.8% unemployment is now supposed to be acceptable, 1.5% GDP now not so bad, 370,000 new UE claims not so bad..."

And who exactly do you think got the U.S. into this situation?



"Increasing the deficit and extending ue benefits every two or three months isn't helping the Economy it is just digging a deeper hole..."

Just curious... what would a Republican president do for the unemployed?
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 77 (view)
 
Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 12/26/2011 2:22:35 PM
You're talking about Bush / Cheney going into Iraq here.
 vglguysksfun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 76 (view)
 
Obama is an utter failure.
Posted: 12/26/2011 2:11:39 PM
"After almost three years nothing is Obama's fault. "

Not true... no one is perfect and Obama has certainly made a few mistakes. The GOP faithful will NEVER admit that anyone from their party ever made a mistake.

As for soldiers dying under this president, did you expect Obama to be able to withdraw the military from the illegal war in Iraq the moment he took office? During his campaign, he promised to go after Bin Laden... and he did... NOW, we can bring the troops home from Afghanistan as well.
 
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