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Thread: Did I handle this situation poorly?
Freude
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Did I handle this situation poorly?
Posted:
9/12/2008 12:30:21 PM
Gosh man, why are you torturing yourself? How can you expect to have a healthy relationship with another woman in the future while your heart holds on to your ex. Let someone else fix her computer and don't hang around until she falls deeply in love with someone else. Even if she does have some feelings for you, they clearly do not amount to much.
People do not move on as long as there is a shred of hope in their heart. Give up hope on her! Only then will the scales fall from your deluded eyes (not meant as an insult!!) Perhaps then you will be able to SEE the next woman who will capture your heart completely and hopefully she'll also thank you each time you fix her computer
Hey.... talking about problems with computers....
Freude
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Do women prefer the sensitive type man?
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9/12/2008 11:56:28 AM
With anyone, really, displays of emotion are going to be a risk. Even with friends.
Not with my friends... I mean, that's why we ARE friends; we are on the same wavelength emotionally too... and it should be the same with someone you are considering having a relationship with...
I think so many people date people they don't really have a basic connection with.
Freude
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Do women prefer the sensitive type man?
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9/12/2008 11:44:36 AM
i recently meet someone and I think she was a bit put off that i could show my emotions, ...
I love sensitive, emotional men but they should also have a very good sense of what is appropriate. Openness is important but being too open, too soon seems unnatural and inappropriate; the level of "openness" should increase as two people get to know each other just as it happens in friendships - guess it's about discretion & communication skills.
Freude
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Men who avoid attractive women??
Posted:
9/12/2008 10:03:35 AM
I've had people tell me that they thought I was an arrogant **stard the first time they saw me. They changed their mind after getting to know me better. Confidence and arrogance can easily be confused for one another
An arrogant b*stard, eh... but they discovered you were actually a confident one
True confidence can NEVER be confused with arrogance by anyone who is anyway perceptive. Arrogance comes from insecurity!
Freude
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Men who avoid attractive women??
Posted:
9/12/2008 9:45:27 AM
You can't SEE a person's depth and soul, so you haven't a clue whether or not they have any!
I can often "see" a person's depth and soul from a considerable physical distance actually.
Haven't you ever heard about the eyes being the mirror? And it's not only the eyes - the entire body language, movements, posture, etc., speak volumes about the inner person before they ever open their mouth.
Freude
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Men who avoid attractive women??
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9/12/2008 9:03:36 AM
Men who have depth and soul, as it were, are attracted to women with depth and soul too; such men need never be intimidated by a woman's outward beauty because such women fall for the person!!!!
This type of emotional attraction is something deeper and more powerful. However, fear and lack of self esteem can hide your "soul" away to such a degree that, that beautiful woman cannot see the REAL you and therefore won't feel the attraction she otherwise may have felt had you only been who you really are (and that isn't some trick learned over night either
Fear of rejection is a biggie... but you know what? I personally don't know anyone who has conquered that fear completely no matter how "together" they seem. That means that the beautiful woman also fears rejection!! In fact, the more "above you" she behaves, the more insecure she is.
As for the guys who derive their "importance" from flashy cars, salary, perceived success and other props, you'll most likely be attracted to the so called high-maintainence woman so you had better just, eh... work hard...
Freude
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What does Be Patient really mean....
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5/12/2008 2:12:42 AM
Sounds like you are giving him the impression that you want a relationship while he's still at the getting-to-know-you stage. He senses your expectations and that's putting pressure on him which could easily push him away.
It's a bit like stopping to admire and enjoy a pretty oil painting in a shop when the sales guy comes along and tries to persuade you to buy it... suddenly the enjoyment is all gone and you are now feeling stress and resistance... perhaps if the sales guy had just left you alone, you would have
wanted
to buy it of your own free will but now you just walk away... clutching your wallet...
Stop thinking about where it's going, what it is or what it is not... you need to live in the present and enjoy the moments...
Freude
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Do you wish the worst for your ex?
Posted:
5/4/2008 7:12:39 AM
I personally have never wished anything bad on an ex but some people wish every evil on the one who has hurt them.
This guy for example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8JYAo1giBU
He gave me a great laugh nevertheless
Freude
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The Man Who Knows His Place ;-)
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5/4/2008 7:01:03 AM
This video is a must for anyone out there who enjoys a good laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXYgKuu-6I0
Freude
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Songs that you play, when you break up with her/him?
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5/4/2008 6:51:08 AM
A man's break-up song :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8JYAo1giBU
Hilarious!
Freude
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What should I do after this blow off?
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4/7/2008 1:55:41 PM
Well now, just suppose his story is absolutely true? Okay, so maybe he's not totally crazy about you right now but if you play your cards right and you both already like each other, maybe he will be...
My advice would be find out for yourself:
Let your next date be one that allows you to chat a little more intimately while keeping it light and fun. Do something fun that doesn't involve alcohol.
If he's genuinely interested in getting to know you, he'll be up for that kind of date.
Keep a little emotional distance until you get to know him better (not to be confused with cool or standoffish) be your warm sunny self, if you are a warm sunny self but keep your heart while testing the waters.
Don't let him stay over next time.
I'd give him a second chance just going on this one story and I'm by no means a "walk-over"! Believe me!
Freude
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How do you handle being Intimidated by your date's intelligence
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4/1/2008 3:48:35 PM
OP, just scanned through the thread and saw that one poster mentioned your having a possible problem with low self esteem - I think he/she may be onto something
You are putting the guy on a pedestal although he seems to be sorely lacking in basic communication skills. My 10-year-old daughter would recognize if she had kind of "lost someone" in conversation and would quickly change the subject. He doesn’t sound too clever to me; just very knowledgeable in some fields but he certainly doesn’t excel in social skills – that’s for sure!!
Since perceptiveness is one of the most powerful attractors to me, I'm sure I couldn't date the guy to begin with, but if I were forced to
I would playfully interrupt during his rants, and make some joke indicating that "I wouldn't know anything about that...but..." and you can steer the conversation toward something of mutual interest (if there is anything... hmmm..) and if that doesn’t work… you may have a wee problem on your hands ;)
In our relationships, isn’t free-flowing communication a basic indicator of the essential connection?
Freude
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Why can't men just be upfront?
Posted:
2/18/2008 3:13:55 PM
....... can't just say hey I had fun, but I don't really feel any connection, etc.
Because maybe they didn't have fun and are too honest to lie about the fact
Seriously, words are only one form of communication and all communication is valid... they
communicate
to you that they are not interested by their actions...
He graciously says goodbye (in a kinda-final tone): He's not into you!
He doesn't contact you afterwards: He's not into you!
We're talking about half to complete strangers here... I think the main problem is rejection....and taking rejection personally is another issue.
freude
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When men get all GIRLIE.
Posted:
12/18/2007 1:54:21 PM
One group of women want a guy that's going to coddle her when she's sad and be the sponge that just absorbs all her negativity. Others want a guy to be macho to the point of insensitivity and callousness, so THEY can be the doormats, and have something to **** and moan about.
And then there are those who want a guy to just be himself... fancy that, eh?
freude
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When men get all GIRLIE.
Posted:
12/17/2007 1:14:34 PM
why is it that you lose yourself when it comes to women?
Perhaps it is revealing that so many are missing the point BIG TIME!!!!!
The OP is not talking about wanting a man to MASTER her, or a man who is disrespectful, or a man who is not kind, loving and sensitive. She is referring to men who LOSE themselves, so to speak; men who are not actually being themselves; men who are in fact putting on a performance but NOT for the woman's benefit; they are ever so "nice" and accommodating to gain an advantage for themselves - motivated by FEAR and not love!
If some of you guys get off the defensive, the OP's points may become a tad clearer to you!
freude
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When men get all GIRLIE.
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12/16/2007 5:00:49 AM
Wow excogitator! You didn't get me at ALL, did you? I so clearly explained that doormats & what we are referring to as "people pleasers" are not actually concerned about the one they are supposedly trying to please but rather, are driven by deep insecurities so that their actions are actually performed for their own benefit.
And what on earth could lead you to believe that people, by being themselves, would lack compassion, kindness, etc.? Those who truly know, love and accept themselves are actually far more likely to be much more giving and loving (but for the right reasons!); and why? Because they are not preoccupied with themselves at all! They are able to look on others with genuine interest and consideration as they are not expending their energy on self protection.
Any healthy relationship, be it romantic or otherwise, is based on give and take; love and RESPECT!
freude
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When men get all GIRLIE.
Posted:
12/15/2007 2:53:02 AM
why is it that you lose yourself when it comes to women? Being a door mat and doing whatever the girl wants is not attractive! Being a yes dear, no dear kinda guy is not attractive! Be a man! Speak your thoughts.
What ever happened to the Alpha Male?
So much misunderstanding on this thread!
Freude’s Personal Dictionary:
Alpha Male = Wannabe
"Nice Guy" = Wannabe
Pity about introducing the concept of "Alpha Male" OP - especially without giving us your definition of one.
This whole area is not at all gender related - it is about
human authenticity
. An authentic and real person is most interesting and appealing. You cannot possibly be who you are if you don't know who you are and therein lies the problem with male & female doormats!
Doormats and “pleasers” are not being nice at all; their performance is not about giving to another but rather about getting something for themselves - securing something/someone for their own benefit. Their “niceness” is extremely unattractive because it is not authentic and this lack of authenticity is extremely unattractive.
Being one’s true self is beautiful whether you happen to be the emotional, sensitive type or well… the less emotional sensitive type. Being totally yourself will attract the “right” person for YOU!
Many so called Alpha Males are no different from the wussies in that most often neither type are authentic human beings!
Freude
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His Mother Left Him When He Was 5 Years Old
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12/13/2007 8:02:17 AM
Thank you all for you advice!
He has his grandmother and yesterday evening for example, his dad called an ex girlfriend whom John really took to and loved, even though her relationship with his dad only lasted 4 months. His dad asked her if she could find some time to spend with John – just to play or whatever.
Also, do they talk about his mom?
They do talk about her but I’m not really sure in what way…
I think that must be an area that needs special understanding and attention but it is something I want to ask John’s dad about but yesterday was not the time.
I imagine that his father was coping with so many different things when mom left and the child wasn't falling apart,
The child fell totally apart when she left- completely traumatized and did see a counsellor for one year.
Freude
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His Mother Left Him When He Was 5 Years Old
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12/13/2007 7:00:43 AM
He's 10 now and a lovely kid!
His mum walked out on him, his father and 3 year old brother five years ago. She has seen them sometimes since but with 6-12 month gaps in between. Crazy! His younger brother is great - a very loving and lovable kid.
His dad was called to the school yesterday to pick him up as the teacher was unwilling to deal with him (Austrian schools have few problems with unruly kids). It was traumatic for his dad mainly because it again highlighted the child's pain.
John (not real name) is very closed and although he has a wonderful, loving and supportive father, his wounds are understandably deep. His dad runs a very loving and orderly household and the boy behaves very well at home but is sometimes disruptive in school. He had therapy for one year after is mother left but now it seems clear that it was not enough so his dad is seeking a good counsellor for him at the moment.
John came home recently with a gift he'd made in school with the other kids for Mother's Day and asked his dad what he should do with it :( He's suffering a lot...
Anyway, I would like to hear from anyone who could direct me to any decent books or whatever that might be of help to his father as he struggles to give the right counsel...
*so sad*...what the h*ll do you say to a kid whose mum leaves him!!
Freude
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Abandonment Issues, Fear & Sabotage
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12/10/2007 9:15:20 AM
I'm new to dating after a long marriage;
I think that we are particularly vulnerable at such times and usually need time to heal, recover and grow. All the more reason to know who we really are so that we don't allow others to define our worth.
I also believe that when you are stronger in yourself, your judgement and ability to read others is much more accurate; in fact, I think with supressed fears, our judgement in the challenging arena of relationships, is bound to be faulty no matter how perceptive we are.
Freude
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Abandonment Issues, Fear & Sabotage
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12/10/2007 6:20:01 AM
There are people who ARE emotionally unavailable. I ended my last relationship because the man was not showing any signs of affection..no kissing, touching, hugging, etc. I have no idea if he couldn't or just chose not to...it's hard for the one doing the ending. I'll never know if didn't want me or did but couldn't show it. No closure for me...I'll be forever wondering.
There certainly are many people who are emotionally unavailable! But this is often used as an excuse by people to justify another’s just not being into them.
I'll never know if didn't want me or did but couldn't show it.
desi1955, it may be a good idea to ask yourself why it is so important for you to know the reason...
If it were proven to you that he was emotionally unavailable and just couldn't show you he wanted you, would that render you less unlovable and less unattractive? A lack of self knowledge, self love and self acceptance results in us allowing others to determine our value, worth and attractiveness; if we remain there, we have good reason to fear for we will always be on shaky ground & never know true self confidence. Our self-worth will be based on externals and others' opinions of us - we'll have ups and downs, highs & lows, depending on what that opinion is.
When we know and accept ourselves, others' evaluation of us will not affect our own self image. True confidence is unshakeable and so cannot be based on externals.
Freude
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Abandonment Issues, Fear & Sabotage
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12/10/2007 3:24:44 AM
ItsMargo, your posts are very insightful!
The answer, for me, was twofold: first I had to face and feel the pain... not theorize, intellectualize, understand, gain insight to... or any of the other methods... but go down into the pit of being abandoned and feel it.
Again I'm reminded of so many threads/posts on here, "Are men intimidated by successful, independent women?" "He's emotionally unavailable and a commitment phobic!" “Why don’t women like nice guys?”
Many desperate attempts of denial… the more painful (shorter-term) but healthier way to approach rejection would be, “He/she doesn’t want me/ is not attracted to me/has rejected me!” Facing the truth, feeling the pain and accepting it! Of course if our self esteem is low, it will be much harder to do that because of the way we interpret the rejection – most of us are led to question our very worth and value as a person; we wonder what is wrong with us… and feel that we must be flawed in some drastic way. Is that not the result of not really knowing who we are on a deeper level – kind of like never having truly met ourselves. I think many of us are afraid to take a deeper look at ourselves fearing what we will find…. “perhaps there is really something within that is ugly, unattractive and discardable!” To borrow “ItsMaro’s” analogy of a monster – we need to look that “monster” straight in the eye; sure we will need to look at our flaws and some ugly bits.. but then, who is without them? However, as a result, we will no longer fear that “monster” that does not, in fact, exist – we will find a flawed, imperfect human being with many attractive qualities too. We can come to a place of accepting ourselves, now that we have actually met ourselves and can then truly embrace who we REALLY are and love ourselves unconditionally.
The most wonderful, beautiful people are rejected, and we can expect that too! But hey, as they say, is it not better to be hated for who we are, than loved for we are not??
As we get older and have an increased history of rejection, the walls get thicker and higher and our souls are “carefully” hidden and “protected”; sadly, that means that someone who may have fallen in love with who we really are, cannot even “see” us but only a mask with which they could never fall in love. Making ourselves vulnerable and revealing our true self, is what allows a potentially suitable partner to fall in love with us or an unsuitable one, to reject us and that is the way it should be. We cannot be everyone’s cup of tea – shouldn’t we expect some rejection?
When someone falls in love with the real person we are (our soul, if you like), isn’t it more of an indication that, that person, is the right one for us?!!
Freude
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Why is it so hard to meet someone that is good hearted and attractive???
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11/17/2007 5:27:43 AM
Why is it so hard to meet someone that is good hearted and attractive???
Personally, I don't know ANY attractive people who
don't
have a good heart!!
There's a fine line between being a "nice guy" that has no luck with women and just being a regular guy with a nice heart. A lot of guys' problem is that they play a perceived role and never stop to be themselves. As a result, they get left out in the rain because they're trying to be something they're not, and women pick up on that, or simply aren't interested in the game they're playing with themselves.
Attractive people are cursed from the start in most cases. They grow up receiving more attention, getting vain compliments thrown at them and having lots of unwanted and undeserved attention lavished on them. As a result, you get girls that don't understand what it means to put others first or how to have proper etiquette, and you get guys that are narrow-minded and have no boundaries. For those few of beautiful people that do grow up to have an equally beautiful character, I've found in my experience that many of them have some sort of emotional or mental issue that has kept them at a distance from others. Hence, I get a lot of unwanted drama. There's a small percentage of people that have exceptional character to match their beautiful physical selves, and to that I think they owe most credit for those that have supported and taught them as they grew up.
Friends, family, especially your parents, are important in becoming a better person, especially when the world throws lies and snake oil at you when you're barely old enough to understand why. I'd like to think if I found a girl like that, that one of the first things I'd do would be to thank her parents and friends for helping her along the way.
Excellent post! Just disagree on one thing and that is:
There's a fine line between being a "nice guy" that has no luck with women and just being a regular guy with a nice heart.
That line is not fine, it's a enormous gorge! The pathetic "nice guy" whose personality is completely lost and suppressed is one completely different creature to the guy who is himself!
Another ugly aspect of the "nice guy" is that his acts of "niceness" do not come from a good heart but rather from fear.... and they are performed for his own benefit not for the receivers.
freude
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How important are POF roses?
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11/14/2007 4:35:12 AM
Actually, when he contacted me I was determined not to respond and the only reason I did was to make a sarcastic remark about the missing rose.
You mean you were offended by the missing rose on his first mailing you? Now that is really too much. I thought it was a case of him not sending you the rose after you both felt there was something “special” between you which then left you wondering who was the more special woman deserving of a rose….but I'm amazed that you could find it a problem that he sent out a rose at some point before even contacting you
freude
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How important are POF roses?
Posted:
11/13/2007 3:18:38 PM
I couldn't be any happier when I found that special person here, but it almost didn't come to pass because of a POF rose???
Special? Yet she wasn't worthy of a rose but someone else was....
Well, just trying to see her perspective
freude
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Abandonment Issues, Fear & Sabotage
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11/13/2007 3:01:29 PM
When I come across an article like the one below, somehow many POF posts I’ve read come rushing back to mind.
I found this to be a very interesting piece. It ends on a positive note which I’d like to believe were true but which I very much doubt applies to the majority of folk.
I tend to believe that even among the most secure of us, certain issues will trigger this so called “fear of abandonment” which most often leads to counterproductive interactions in our relationships. Many relationship problems develop as a result of one kind of fear or another. Many of the so called “games” we play are instigated by fear (need to be in control). Fear too is very often behind lack of or poor communication.
I’ve highlighted parts which I thought may be worth pondering especially if you happen to be going through heartache right now. It may be worth asking yourself how much of your agony is directly related to losing that person and how much of it is related to your feeling unloved and unworthy because of deeper/other issues.
Hope some here find it helpful and look forward to your comments!
When a relationship ends, both partners experience turmoil and loss, but the one who is left feeling abandoned bears the brunt of the pain. Why does it hurt so much when someone leaves us?
Loving and wanting someone who does not love us back engenders a deep personal wound. Rejection hits a raw nerve whose root begins in childhood. It arouses our abandonment issues. Abandonment is primal fear, the first fear that each of us experience as an infant. It is the fear that we will be left, literally abandoned, with no one to care for us. Abandonment's wound is cumulative. It contains all of our losses, disconnections and disappointments from early on, the death of a parent, a teenage breakup, being out-shown by a sibling, these experiences make us more susceptible to heartbreak when we are abandoned as adults.
The abandonment wound, stored deep within the limbic brain, is easily triggered. You feel its raw nerve twinge when you fail to get recognition at work, a friend forgets to invite you to a party, or a date you thought was special did not call back. When being left is the trigger, core abandonment fears erupt. Stress hormones course through our bodies, compelling even the strongest among us to feel desperate and dependent. However self-sufficient we think we are, we suddenly feel we can’t live without him/her.
Being left also kicks up our control issues. The breakup wasn't our choice. Someone else cast us into this aloneness by choosing not to be with us. We feel at loss of our personal power to compel another person's love.
"I must be unlovable and unworthy for him to discard me like that."
Abandonment is similar to other types of bereavement, but its grief is complicated by rejection and betrayal. We turn the rage against ourselves, accounting for the severe depression that accompanies heartbreak. When we blame the breakup on our supposed inadequacies, we abandon ourselves. We automatically think to ourselves,
“There must be something wrong with me that makes me not worth keeping.”
We emerge not only disconnected from self-love, but with a heightened fear of abandonment.
If one person can discard us, we fear others will do the same to us in the future.
Rather than dissipate, this fear tends to incubate. Its insecurity burrows deep within us where it sabotages our relationships. The fear of being left makes it more difficult to let go. The rejection creates nagging conflict; closure remains incomplete. We feel unjustly dismissed and we long for an opportunity to vindicate the hurt. We are left alone to grapple with the broken pieces. Mixed with our rage is a desire for our ex to come back to take away the hurt and rejection.
The paradox of abandonment is the tendency to idealize the abandoner. He or she emerges in our imaginations as a powerful figure. We assume she must be very special to have caused this much torment simply by being absent.
The intense craving is confusing to our limbic brain. Stress hormones course through our bodies, causing a heightened response to anything related to our ex for a long time. An important thing to understand is there are five universal stages that accompany the loss of love: Shattering, Withdrawal, Internalizing, Rage, and Lifting. As we make our way through these stages of grief and recovery, we build self-esteem, resolve fear and self-doubt and restore the spirit.
The Five Stages of Abandonment are: 1. Shattering: Severing of love-connection, devastation, shattering of hopes and dreams. The emotions are shock, panic, despair, feeling you can't live without your love. 2. Withdrawal: You're in painful withdrawal of love-loss, as intense as heroin withdrawal. The emotions are yearning, craving, obsessing, longing for your ex's return. 3. Internalizing: As you try to making sense of the rejection, you doubt and blame yourself. Idealizing the abandoner at your own expense, narcissistic injury sets in and fear incubates. 4. Rage: Reversing the rejection and having retaliatory feelings. Displacing anger on friends who don't understand or are critical of the abandoner leads to more unhealthy action. 5. Lifting: Rising out despair, life begins to distract you. You begin to open to love again and all its possibilities. You “SWIRL” through all the stages over and over until you emerge out the end of the tunnel a changed person capable of greater life and love than before.
freude
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Can a pretty girl have brains too?
Posted:
11/9/2007 2:28:06 AM
But since most people in general are somewhat brainless,
So Blackjack... do you belong to the exceptional few or what?
freude
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Can a pretty girl have brains too?
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11/8/2007 11:08:06 PM
Can a pretty girl have brains too?
I really don't believe pretty girls can have brains too... it's either/or, beauty or brains but not both... the evidence for that is overwhelming
Idiotic question by the way!
But I'll tell you something OP, some pretty girls can have very ugly hearts.... I read your profile
freude
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The Sex Mistake
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10/26/2007 9:12:23 AM
If all that was accomplished was sexual attraction,then sex will be the only outcome.
Then there's the issue of what to do with the other 23 hours.
I like that line fellow Taurean! Gets to the heart of the issue
freude
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What is he treating me this way!
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10/24/2007 12:24:25 AM
When people are in love or speak of carnal affairs, many are giddy or couples that are love behave like teenagers.
I believe most posters are amazed that the OP wasn't sent running when she discovered this man she met had lost his wife through suicide 1 week earlier; she couldn't have been in love with him before learning that. How can anyone who has suffered such a loss, and suicide of all things, be occupied with online dating only DAYS later! Most people would be too shocked and distraught, to put it mildly.
Posters here seem to want to direct the OP to look at the REAL problems, and not just focus on some of the manifestations of them. She is centred on getting this man to “treat her better” and seems to be missing the enormity of the situation that she has become a relatively small part of.
freude
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What is he treating me this way!
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10/23/2007 2:22:38 PM
...then I found out it was one week before we met that she took her own life.
Gosh OP, I think everyone here is really curious to know what thoughts went through your head when you met this stranger and he told you his wife had commited suicide one week before???
Maybe it was a thought you expressed earlier:
I am getting older and want to settle down soon myself.
Well, at least you found this somewhat worthy of questioning:
Take care of yourself and let my brother and my dad take care of the funeral arrangements......So dont make much sense to me if they were married.
You got that right...
His wife killed herself in their own bedroom int he bed and I went with him to the Police Dept. an
Are you sure it wasn't BEFORE she killed herself that you met/had contact with this man. All too weird...
OP, as you can see from the posts here, most agree that you and he have serious issues, but hey, so what? You are not posting here to have that confirmed now, are you? I'm afraid everyone, including me, is too gob-smacked by your story to focus on advising you how to get this, confused, "grief-stricken", guilty, or whatever he is (who knows the real story - not even you apparently) man to give YOU the commitment, love and devotion you seek. From your profile, it seems you are actively seeking another... a big secret from this man you love to death I suppose!
Too much is not adding up here.... scary stuff...
freude
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Man to Man (Because I can't ask in the Ask a Guy forums)
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10/22/2007 3:05:27 PM
You have no restrictions bethlet - that wouldn't help but obviously some who do have restrictions, still get these kind of mails.
freude
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Man to Man (Because I can't ask in the Ask a Guy forums)
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10/22/2007 2:42:32 PM
1. Never had any mail that was an attempt to get laid - blatant or otherwise.
2. Have never deleted any mail - it’s done automatically.
3. I always read them
freude
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What Is It About Male Anger
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10/15/2007 2:32:45 PM
I guess for those who cannot move from point A to B, those stuck will experience the out-of-control blow-ups that Phoenix described.
Actually no :-) Many (male & females) who get stuck between point A & B don't have the blow-ups at all; they instead seeth silently in passive-aggression; refuse to acknowledge that there is any problem to be discussed and indirectly "attack" in some of the most hurtful ways - ggrrr... give me the occasional blow-up anyday.
Those who blow-up, often do at the end of the day/week arrive at point B - the passive-aggressive types can live their whole lives without ever even knowing it's there.
freude
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Why Are Women's Brains A Wee Bit Smaller?
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10/14/2007 9:47:21 PM
^^^^AFSD!
But we're the GMs beachchick, right?
freude
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Why Are Women's Brains A Wee Bit Smaller?
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10/14/2007 3:22:40 PM
Why Are Women's Brains A Wee Bit Smaller?
Because the hot-air storage compartment is not required
freude
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To others does it seem that some woman enjoy being pursued to the extent that men lose interest?
Posted:
10/8/2007 2:21:09 PM
they all want to date brad pitt, or models.
Just not true..
It's actually quite simple really. Most folk want to meet someone they have a special connection with, not just
SOMEONE
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To others does it seem that some woman enjoy being pursued to the extent that men lose interest?
If a woman/man responds to an email/advances, then chances are, they have
some
level of interest. As the "responder" gets to "see" you a little more clearly, their interest will either rise or fall.
If a woman or man is VERY interested, chances are they'll keep up the contact. If they are half-hearted and you do not raise their interest level, chances are, they'll drop the contact.
See: All very simple
Not saying there are not those out there who just thrive on any kind of attention, but hey, let's not always focus on exceptions as so many threads do.
freude
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Why men don't date strong women...
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9/27/2007 12:57:29 PM
This “strong, independent woman”
thing
can be just as unattractive as the “needy, clingy woman”
thing
.
Maybe they are just 2 sides of the same coin…
Who wants to get “I-do-not-need-you” vibes from the one they love!!
freude
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is being thin an issue
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9/24/2007 2:30:38 PM
is being thin an issue
Put it this way lanky
, whatever is an issue for you, can be an issue for those you meet. The vibes we give off, usually reflect the image we have of ourselves. Basically, it's how YOU see yourself that really matters.
freude
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when is it ok to let your heart go
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9/17/2007 11:43:10 AM
You've been in a relationship since you were 15? So, I guess it was this one guy who has broken your heart a million times...
Don't you want some time on your own? Sounds like you REALLY need it!
When you come out of a serious relationship, you need time to kinda find yourself again; to find out who YOU really are... you need time to heal, think, understand why things didn't work out, learn about YOU, develop your relationship with yourself. Why not use this time to pursue your passions & dreams, embrace "the single life" &....... forget about men (at least for a while
)
You cannot replace the one you lost and you shouldn't try. Don't get into another relationship before that hollow feeling has completely faded...
There is much more to life than dating & romance - throw your energy into those other wonderful aspects of life and give yourself a decent amount of space and time to heal and understand yourself better.
when is it ok to let your heart go
Well, if "okay" = "Guaranteed not to get your heart broken", then the answer is NEVER!
It's always a risk but many agree that it's one worth taking.... just not before you've built yourself up again girl, okay?
freude
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Why men don't date strong women...
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9/9/2007 12:11:04 PM
Strength, intelligence and independence are typically seen as attractive qualities. When I hear/see people advertising themselves using this bait, I have to smile – I find it totally pathetic. The “strongest” people I know would never in a million years say something like, “I am a strong person”, because with that strength of character, there is also an absence of any need to validate themselves in any way!!
freude
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Why men don't date strong women...
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9/8/2007 4:43:51 PM
They are so busy trying to prove that they are independent and smart and strong
If you need to declare or prove that you are "something", you only reveal insecurity.
The most secure people don't claim to be anything.
freude
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Would you desire a relationship with this blonde?
Posted:
9/7/2007 2:55:50 AM
I'm absolutely astounded at the number of people who are critical of a teenager for not being able to be perfectly composed while trying to improvise an answer while in front of millions of people,
You know what? I agree! In front of all those people ....even.... the President can have problems :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whhbPVrb5KM&mode=related&search=
freude
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my experience
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9/5/2007 3:17:55 PM
Oh good grief! 3 pages on a lapse in manners!
Seems to me, a slightly clueless guy who needs a little instruction in some of the finer points of manners
Hmm... manners...
Well, it’s your opinion and you're entitled to be wrong
Just kidding, but I do see it very differently & don’t believe it's related to “manners”. His problem, as I see it, has more to do with very poor social/communication skills, lack of perception, rashness & indiscretion.
I don't see the guy as a stalker or even a weirdo (although he could well be); perhaps he's a really sweet guy who's sitting at home now thinking, (if he has a little cop on) "Sh*t, I've screwed up!" Then again, he may be totally clueless, sitting at home thinking, "She's not quite herself, I wonder what's wrong?" Either way, I’d feel sorry for the chap… but if I'm going to be in a relationship with a man, I'd like to think that I could feel totally comfortable following his lead without questioning his wisdom; I’d want someone I could trust to act
appropriately
in normal, everyday situations.
…effing perfection, optimum health, at least ONE PhD, and a 6 figure income, 6'4", full head of hair and athletic build. He should have a stable full of purebred Arabian horses, a garage full of classic cars,
I don’t want perfection (that’d bl**dy boring) or “things” (hmmm… well, the Arabian horses do sound pretty cool
); but to me, a healthy measure of discretion and decent social skills are essential qualities in a partner!
Having said ALL that, it is clear that people place different value on different aspects… and those here who see it as a “bigger” issue than you do, may simply have very different personalities and preferences.
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How agressive do women get when they see there ex with a new girl?
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9/5/2007 11:15:02 AM
Well my question is, if an ex gets upset and such to see that there ex is moving on (or atleast attempting too) how can you tell if she is jealous or upset about it?
I know what you are desperate to hear incubusfreak, but I'm sorry to tell you that exes often get jealous even after their feelings for you have died. It's the human ego - it loves attention and she knows she has had yours fully till now; she won't like it being diverted.
You are also a safety net for her. You were there to catch her if she fell & things go sour again between her and the new guy. Unfortunately, this seems to be all too common.
Move on incubusfreak. Let go of hope and let go of her otherwise you may appear to be moving on but your heart will remain attached to her.
Read this:
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts3739515.aspx
The thread focuses a lot of ending all contact with the ex - it is the only way you can start to let go.
Wish you the best
freude
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DO MEN TAKE BREAK-UPS THE HARDEST?????????
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9/5/2007 10:58:03 AM
Sorry Freude I did the seach...I was gonna say the great minds thing but you got me beat all to heck in the smarts department!
BS
Definitely not true indigo!
Reviving a thread is never the same as starting a new one (the mods will love me); okay, some themes are really overdone but certain themes deserve a fresh thread and this is one of them - I'll be following with interest!
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DO MEN TAKE BREAK-UPS THE HARDEST?????????
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9/5/2007 10:33:49 AM
Hey, got there before you indigo
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts6524532.aspx
Came across below article:
Excuse: Men tend to compartmentalize their feelings.
If I share myself physically, I am emotionally hooked. However, men can just walk away. It doesn’t bother them as much.
Fact: Men may be more reluctant to commit, but when they do, they commit deeply. Statistically, it is women who do more of the breaking up, letting go, and moving on. It takes men longer to get over it. Research studies state that men suffer more from the breakup.
Recent observations have made me think about this.
I'd just like to ask you guys about your experiences with breakups - do you think there is any truth in the assertion, "It takes men longer......"?
Still a theme I find very interesting. Some posters focused on the fact that it is most likely the "dumpee" who takes it hardest and I was kind of sorry I hadn't made it clear in the OP (since many only read that) that I was primarily comparing men and women in the same sitution: Man who gets dumped vs. woman who gets dumped.
freude
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my experience
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9/5/2007 8:01:41 AM
Just a little on the clueless side.
She should have let him know that her standards dictate that acquaintances and new/casual friends should call first, and actually SPEAK to her( not just leave a "hey I'm coming over!"
Yeah, but Ladyc4, would YOU be interested in a "clueless" man whom you must, well...
TEACH
??
freude
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Would you desire a relationship with this blonde?
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9/5/2007 5:37:49 AM
Integrity, pride, honesty, respect....You teach them, not school
Important qualities but they don't help you to read maps!
I'm sure your argument must somehow relate to my last post; just can't seem to find the connection - must be the remaining blonde highlights :o)
freude
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Would you desire a relationship with this blonde?
Posted:
9/5/2007 3:48:11 AM
Too many parent's toss their children's education and knowledge onto the schools and they fail to realise that half of what a person learns is at home...
I personally believe
that children spend enough hours of their life in the classroom and there should be no need for extra "school work" at home (but of course interaction with our children should involve the passing on of knowledge in a natural and fun way).
The disruption in many classrooms makes it impossible for effective teaching. Teachers are not selected with care and many/most don’t have what it takes to command respect from the students.
One thing though that highlighted a major fault on the parents’ part (‘Stupid in America’ video) was parents’ contentment with the local schools - many didn't seem to see a problem & awarded good grades to the out-of-control schools! Incredible!
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