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 Author Thread: Coolest. Number. Ever!
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 46 (view)
 
Coolest. Number. Ever!
Posted: 12/2/2008 5:40:38 AM
I was reading recently that at least one Sumerian text from ~2000 B.C. [by text, I should say clay tablet] had Pi as 3 1/8th, which translates to 3.125... Pretty frigging close.

A lot closer then the sheepherders in the bible. :P
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 148 (view)
 
Is space exploration still necessary??
Posted: 12/2/2008 5:36:20 AM

Space exploration is a luxury. Luxuries are what you buy when you are doing well, and all necessities have been taken care of. Right now, the US (and much of the world) is doing very poorly indeed, economically. We need to focus on having enough food, housing, energy, etc. to go around. Only when we are doing well again can we afford space exploration.


This is where we disagree.

The earth has a finite amount of resources. We're currently burning them up with record speed. The earth also has a finite life span. It will end someday, and our species, currently only on earth, is very vulnerable to extinction.

The luxury is not in space exploration. The luxury is to NOT invest in space travel and rely exclusively on what we had. Something we've been doing. Something we no longer can afford to do.
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 39 (view)
 
Coolest. Number. Ever!
Posted: 11/30/2008 7:44:08 PM

Divide 4 by pi and you get 1.2732...

Absolute zero is -273.2 degrees

The number of days in a sidereal year, the time it takes for the earth to orbit around the sun when viewed from the point of fixed stars is 366 - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_year)

Moons orbit around Earth is 27.32 days
(When measured against fixed stars. Known as the ‘Sidereal Month’)

1/366 (the number of days in a sidereal year) = 0.002732

1/27.32 = 0.0366

Ignore the decimals and extra zeros if this helps..

The Mean Statistical Gestation Period of a Human Child: 273.2 days! (10 Sidereal Months)

Statistical Average Menstrual Cycle: 27.3 (2?) days!


Your post seems to be an argument for the number 27.32.... Not 4 :P
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 7 (view)
 
What Starts with F and ends with K
Posted: 11/30/2008 11:12:29 AM
Although I agree it's pretty funny; the principal's answers aren't really wrong... They're just alternative answers to ambiguous questions :P
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 141 (view)
 
Is space exploration still necessary??
Posted: 11/30/2008 10:49:25 AM
I didn't read the thread.

I'm just going to say "yes", as a self-evident response.

The earth has a finite amount of resources and will survive for a finite amount of time. If humanity wishes its species to survive in the long-term, which seems to be the natural biological condition, then we need to continue advanced space travel.
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 6 (view)
 
New element discovered.
Posted: 11/30/2008 10:41:37 AM
Although I have seen this before, I agree it is funny :)
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 116 (view)
 
Flynn Effect:
Posted: 11/29/2008 7:15:33 PM
I just wanted to comment on the Flynn Effect debate:

1) I generally agree with the premise that the average student of today knows more than the average student of say 50 years ago.

2) I generally agree that there has been a rise in IQ scores in recent years; as well as rises on scores in other standardized tests (SATs, LSATs, etc).

3) I generally understand that these tests are curved to a percentile, so in theory, the mean IQ score should be 100, or 150 on the LSAT, or whatever the equivalent is on the SAT.

4) I generally believe that this leads to one of two outcomes. Either, the average scores go up, and the mean becomes 103 or 104; because, we measure IQ against its historic baseline and consider the current generation to be an exception as opposed to the rule; or, second, the scores remain the same, but the number of answers you need correct to get a given score rises [this is the case on the LSAT for example, which regularly requires 4 or 5 more questions correct for a 98th percentile score than 10 years ago].

5) It's worth noting both examples have problems. The first case is advantageous in that it doesn't penalize one generation for being exceptionally strong; but does have the disadvantage of shifting away from, what by definition, is the 50th percentile. The second case has the advantage of remaining faithful to the design of the test, but has the disadvantage that it is vulnerable to selection sample issues, whereby a particular group of test takers might be unusually strong.

Just my second $0.02. :)
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 115 (view)
 
Very High IQ
Posted: 11/29/2008 7:07:44 PM
Heh.

A couple notes:
1) If your IQ is 136; then you could probably come up with some creative solutions yourself. Most teachers are in the 110-120 range, but 136 is in the top 2%. Most people at that level are pretty resourceful.

2) On a related point, it seems highly unlikely that if the kids have IQs in the 150s, they could teach themselves whatever they felt like learning, and will do fine. While I certainly think its admirable to try and help them be more efficient in their learning, students of that caliber [if they are of that caliber] can self-teach.

3) Most intelligent people (read: IQ in the top 10%; not even in the 130+ range, which is top 2%) will be bored in a high school class. It's not challenging for them. If they're interested [which they may not be], making it more challenging for them might be a way to keep them interested. However, being intelligent doesn't necessarily mean they will want to apply that intelligence. You have to remember that bright kids, like not so bright kids, have varied interests. Some love school [okay, many do]; but many others don't. They have their own view of the world, and they want to explore it in their own way.

4) Although I regularly read up on IQ because I think it's interesting, I don't necessarily think it's a good predictor of anything other then being somewhat related to the concept of "g"... It's true that it does a relatively good job of predicting things like socioeconomic status up until 115 or so; but after that it's not overly helpful as a tool.

Just my $0.02...
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 25 (view)
 
Coolest. Number. Ever!
Posted: 11/29/2008 7:01:01 PM
I stand by the interpretation that 42 is the coolest number ever.
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 1 (view)
 
Changing Cities/Messaging Effect?
Posted: 6/25/2008 1:01:09 AM
Hi,

I'm moving to a different city shortly, so I would like to be able to contact users in that city - but some of them have distance restrictions to limit individuals within that city to contact them. Naturally, as I should be moving soon, this shouldn't be an issue, so I've tried changing my city in my profile, but apparently it doesn't work for messaging these individuals.

Is there a lag time? What's the procedure for changing your city information? I'm sure I can't be the only person whose moved(or moving).

Thanks,

-Pyke

EDIT: Unless it's based on IP addresses (as I haven't moved yet, this is possible), but I don't think it is.
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Could you fall for your booty call girl?
Posted: 2/15/2007 1:54:44 AM
Yes, I could.

Yes, many guys could.

However, not all guys will, as we tend to be able to seperate "sex" and "love" into seperate headings, or at least, that's what we tell ourselves. A guy who already is getting the former may not bother to pursue a relationship to secure the latter....

Why? Love releases dopamine into your brain. The ventral tegmental (producer of dopamine) creates it, floods the brain with dopamine when you fall in love. The caudate area (responsible for cravings) then sends signals for more dopamine, resulting in intense elation. Cocaine, produces a similar effect (albeit, a lot more harmfully).

There's a catch though. Guess what happens when your brain is flooded in dopamine? Testosterone is created, which is responsible for the sex drive in both men and women, resulting in you feeling everything about the other person is sexy. This is god news for you.

Bad news is this, brains that are in love result in an increased sex drive, but an increased sex drive does not mean falling in love. In fact, recent studies suggest they're different regions entirely, with the erotic pictures activating entirely different parts of the brain. You might have fallen in love, he might not have.

There's an interesting article in the news right now:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/02/14/love.science/index.html

Hope it helps.

-Matt
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 15 (view)
 
Do you reminisce about your attraction as a teenager?
Posted: 2/15/2007 1:37:20 AM
Well, I'm only 20, so I suppose my preferences are probably more naturally inclined towards teenagers (or early twenties), but; in my experience, there are definately a few physiques which I find inherantly sexy and I can trace their roots back to people I was attracted to for various reasons in H.S. / Junior High, except, obviously, the grown up versions.

Case in point is one of the girls in the highest rating on this site list, who reminds me of a girl I had a crush on for YEARS, so I find her scorching, despite the fact that in general, I dislike blondes, and the physique. She just has one pose that reminds me of that girl and, meh.

I think we're a product of our experiences, so I think thats likely the cause...or, that we were attracted to types X, Y and Z from birth, and we just happened to meet them in our youth and again today ;).
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 46 (view)
 
So what is 'bad sex' to you?
Posted: 2/12/2007 3:10:10 AM

oh, oh, oh, ( raises her hand in the air) I know the answer to this one....

Sex that doesn't last longer than 60 seconds...

We are speaking from experience ....Right?


*Notices all the guys writing in their notepads*

"Start training. Must make it to 61 seconds"

*Wonders if there will be a sudden spike in the number of repetitive strain injuries reported....*
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 13 (view)
 
When you're getting on well then they stop sending messages
Posted: 2/12/2007 2:31:54 AM
You shouldn't need AIM unless you're in the deep south of the U.S., most people don't use AOL because, well, it's AOL.

I have AIM (and ICQ) of course, but I'm a geek; it's too be expected.

Also, there are times when people say something and it's a turn off. I view discussions like opportunities to get to know people better, sometimes this increases attraction, other times it shifts our emotions to the negative. It's really contextual.

-Matt
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 11 (view)
 
Giving it up 20 mins after u meet, and it was my first time???
Posted: 2/12/2007 2:27:50 AM

You want him to respect you right? Now if tequila was involved then thats a whole nother scenario! since i think that stuff makes every girls clothes fall off


So does Joe Nichols...

She said I'm going out with my girlfriends
Marguerita's at the holiday inn
Oh have mercy my only thought
Was tequila makes her clothes fall off
I told her put an extra layer on
I know what happens when she drinks patron?
Her closets missing half the things she bought
Yea tequila makes her clothes fall off

She'll start by kicking out of her shoes
Lose an earring in her drink
Leave her jacket in the bathroom stall
Drop a contact down the sink

Them panty hose aint gonna last too long
If the DJ puts Bon Jovi on
She might come home in a table cloth
Yea tequila makes her clothes fall off

She can handle any champagne brunch
A bridal shower with Bacardi punch
Jello shooters full of Smirnoff
But tequila makes her clothes fall off

She'll start by kicking out of her shoes
Lose an earring in her drink
Leave her jacket in the bathroom stall
Drop a contact down the sink

She don't mean nothing
She just havin fun
Tomorrow she say oh what have I done
Her friends will joke about the stuff she lost
Yea tequila makes her clothes fall off
Oh tequila makes her clothes fall off
Oh tequila makes her clothes fall off
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 7 (view)
 
what's wrong with profile??
Posted: 2/11/2007 11:13:27 PM
1) You're not ugly, but you're not attractive enough to get by on pictures alone. Some girls can do that, and no, it's not right, and yes, it's stupid (as it defeats the point of a dating site), but it's the reality.

2) Most guys (not all) prefer longer hair (to shorter hair). Given the lack of a profile, the guys which will like you for your personality are excluded, and now a lot of other guys are excluded as well. Of course you should not change who you are simply because some guys dislike it, but you have to be aware of it.

3) There doesn't appear to be a lot of effort put into the profile, which will decrease the chance of people contacting you. If you really want to make it work, you have to show who you really are.

Good luck.
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 11 (view)
 
Not even a card?!?!
Posted: 2/11/2007 10:45:51 PM
*acts like a guy for a second*

"What's a card?"

----

Seriously, I suspect it's just guys don't really think in the realm of cards. Girls will get cards for anything, guys...not so much. I can't remember the last time I bought a card for someone....I remember mailing christmas cards, but that's a special circumstance :p, and sort of an opportunity for an inside joke ;).

-Matt
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Giving it up 20 mins after u meet, and it was my first time???
Posted: 2/11/2007 10:42:32 PM
20 minutes....Yeah, I'm sure you liked him but 20 minutes?

Geeze...Even "decent" guys would be hard pressed on that one. I suspect you're looking for heartbreak, as much as I hate to say it. =/
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 55 (view)
 
Picture with other girls - good or bad?
Posted: 2/11/2007 10:23:56 PM

it may be unrealistic but us women like to convince ourselves we are the only one you are thinkin about..hahaha


Eh, only consciously.

When it comes to subconscious, it's a whole different ball game.
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 29 (view)
 
The Man’s day?
Posted: 2/9/2007 2:36:39 AM

Chocolate Sundae

Whenever a trip to the grocery store occurs if you'd like, I hate chocolate anyway. It's just too disturbing to consider the average of 8 insect legs per bar. Not their fault, a natural by product of most food production, but the fact I know the stats for chocolate disturbs me :p.


Clean the house your damn self

It's okay, I'll hire a maid for the day.


Replace the toilet paper in the proper overhead fashion

If we're in Australia, should it still be overhead? Besides, overhead is dumb, it doesn't make sense with the dimensions of the roll. Clearly since you're standing when you need to use it, a bottom approach makes more sense, since it involves a more natural rotation of the roll.


Cunnilingus day occur?

When would you like us to sit down to eat?

----

Oh and, I've got no issue with celebrating the day. The more absurdly biased manly holidays, the merrier I say. lol.
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 29 (view)
 
Does the fact that I am widowed scare men off?
Posted: 2/9/2007 1:23:18 AM
If she could love me for me, then no, it wouldn't scare me off.

If she was trying to have back what she lost, I couldn't do it. No one deserves to lose the person they love, but it wouldn't make it right to use someone like that.

It's all contextual.
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 1 (view)
 
Why God Never Received a Ph.D:
Posted: 2/8/2007 1:44:13 AM
WHY GOD NEVER RECEIVED A PhD
1. He had only one major publication.
2. It had no references.
3. It wasn't published in a refereed journal.
4 . Some even doubt he wrote it by himself.
5 . It may be true that he created the world, but what has he done since then?
6 . The scientific community has had a hard time replicating his results.
7 . He never applied to the ethics board for permission to use human subjects.
8. When one experiment went awry he tried to cover it up by drowning his subjects.
9 . When subjects didn't behave as predicted, he deleted them from the sample.
10 . He rarely came to class, just told students to read the book.
11 . Some say he had his son teach the class.
12. He expelled his first two students for learning.
13 . Although there were only 10 requirements, most of his students failed his tests.
14. His office hours were infrequent and often held on limited-access mountain tops.
15. No record of working well with colleagues .
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 1 (view)
 
Girl's Favorite Animals?
Posted: 2/8/2007 1:39:50 AM
Hey.

First, I did a topic search, and no, I don't think this could go in the one off-topic thread there.

Second, I was wondering what girl's favorite animals are, and, by extension, if any favorite animal preferences of guys would be a major turn off for you? For example, I dislike snakes, so a girl who kept pet snakes or really like snakes...yeah, that just wouldn't work :p.

So yeah, favorite animal(s) + any animals that are off limits? :p.
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Why get defensive?
Posted: 2/8/2007 1:37:17 AM
Like ubkobalt says, a lot of women use "busy" as a polite cop out...
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 25 (view)
 
pre sexual agreements
Posted: 2/8/2007 1:07:14 AM
My view is this:

The moment you have sexual intercourse with a girl, you accept all consequences that the aforementioned action entails.

As a guy, you have *no* rights. I'm not entirely convinced that's right (more on that in a second) but, it's the case. Being a responsible member of society, you should know this already. As such, if you choose to sleep with a person, you should be prepared to live with the consequences.

For this reason, I personally have not (and will not, until I'm prepared to live with potential consequences) had sexual intercourse. That's a choice *I* made. You can't have it both ways. Either you have the fun and take the risk, or you avoid the risk and skip the fun.

Now, as to rights, my view on it is this:
It takes *2* to have a child. As much as it is a woman's body, there are two parties involved. I believe the following should be the way the legal system should be setup, in this modern age, where women demand the same rights as men.

If neither wants an abortion:
No problem, child is born.

If woman wants an abortion, man doesn't:
Abortion occurs.

If man wants an abortion, woman doesn't:
A medical examination is conducted of the woman, assessing the risk. If there is no more then standard risk, a woman may *choose* to have the abortion or not. If she chooses to disregard and have the child, a judge shall have the right to remove parental responsibility (child support, etc.) from the man. However, this decision will consider many factors, including the parties religious views, backgrounds, and etc.

If both want an abortion:
Abortion occurs.
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 22 (view)
 
Bukkake - Confirming Latent Homosexual Tendencies?
Posted: 2/8/2007 12:58:19 AM
I don't watch it, but I don't think it has anything to do with homosexual tendencies.

I would guess it's a control thing. Perhaps they fantasize about control (or total submission, an either/or type scenario)?

I also suspect that there's a natural escalation in terms of the type/degree of porn people watch, at least to a point. If you're talking to a 14 year old boy, the odds are if he manages to steal a playboy magazine he could have fun with that. A grown man isn't going to find a playboy magazine all that exciting.

That *type* of porn is hardcore pornography, maybe they just can't get themselves off otherwise.

I can't say for sure, I'm not into watching another guy bang the girl, for whatever reason. :p
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Searching Question->
Posted: 2/7/2007 3:25:06 AM
Well, the problem is:

I can search on things that are reasonably important, i.e., non-religious, doesn't smoke, doesn't do drugs. However, I can't search for length of profile, so as far as I *know*, I only have the interests box to narrow down the search and try to find people that are going to be potential matches.

However, within that it seems a lot of girls forego the section altogether, and I'm not really certain what to type in that box if I am looking for the attributes cited above, or, if the girls here have alternative suggestions as to search methods, I'm open to that too.

The other thing is, most profile's I see of girls are like 2 lines, and pretty much "I like to have fun. I like to party." which is well and good and all, but tells me nothing and doesn't help me narrow down my search. I suppose that's why I'm asking.

Just hoping someone has an idea which will help.

I appreciate the replies though :), thanks.
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 52 (view)
 
Picture with other girls - good or bad?
Posted: 2/7/2007 3:11:56 AM
Interesting. Do you have any sources?

Most recent memory if I recall was a Discovery channel show.

I'll see if I can dig some up for you though if you'd like.

----

Reporting on a study by researchers from Aberdeen's Face Research Laboratory, University of Liverpool, Harvard University:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/17/nbeauty117.xml
Same article on CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/01/17/human.attraction.reut/index.html

Exerpt from another article on the same site:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected/main.jhtml?xml=/connected/2007/01/30/eclove30.xml

Darwin's theory of evolution has two main driving forces – ''survival of the fittest" is perhaps the most widely known but there is another plank of evolution, which Darwin himself originally proposed, which can be abbreviated to ''survival of the fanciest".

The term that evolutionary biologists prefer to use is "sexual selection" and the idea is if a bird, such as a peacock for example, has an incongruously large tail that hampers flight, but yet is highly attractive to the opposite sex, then the genes of these attractive, cumbersomely tailed birds will be more likely to be transmitted to the next generation relative to their stubby-tailed peers. There is therefore an evolutionary pressure to be attractive to the opposite sex.

But evolutionary theory also suggests that it's not just being chosen that is vital to this process – but who does the choosing. Across species, females are generally found to be fussier than males, perhaps because they invest more biological resources in each offspring through processes such as gestation and lactation and therefore it's more costly to the female to make an evolutionary mistake over who she mates with.

While men are more likely to settle for anything with a pulse, evolutionary theory therefore makes a prediction that females are hyper-vigilant for signs that a potential mate really is worth mating with.

Women are, for example, interested in men who attact female rivals, point out Kevin Eva from McMaster University, Hamilton, and Timothy Wood of the Medical Council of Canada, Ottawa, as the background to an intriguing study which explains why the men most worth marrying appear to be the ones that are already married. Eva and Wood point out in a paper published recently in the Canadian Medical Association Journal that evolutionary theory predicts that if a female has deemed a male worthy of mating, this provides valuable information to other females about the value of that particular male, which does influence them in their evaluation of how desirable he is. In other words perhaps all the good men are not so much actually taken but, rather, the taken men are perceived as being good.


Anyway - the theory is reasonably solid. I'm too lazy to go and look it up in medical journals :)
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 4 (view)
 
Searching Question->
Posted: 2/7/2007 3:09:08 AM

..and I'm also a bit confused as to what really is a question... :)


Joking:
A question is any of several kinds of linguistic expressions normally used by a questioner to request the presentation of information back to the questioner, in the form of an answer, by the audience. Alternatively, one may say that the question is the request itself, and the interrogative sentence merely expresses it, but we will not use this sense. Questions thus resemble other requesting expressions as well as commands in normally being used to elicit a response.

Serious:
The question is when you're using the search function, is there anything the women in the audience can think of that would increase the likelihood of finding intelligent people/mature people with the results. This would extend to either interests that you feel such women would cite (the only guess I could make is reading) or some other method you feel would allow me to find them.

I'm simply asking if any of the girls have ideas, because, girls make their own profiles and the majority I see lack the information necessary. I thought I remembered something about excluding profiles under length X, but i'm not sure if that was for messaging or for searching =/.
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 1 (view)
 
Searching Question->
Posted: 2/6/2007 11:56:28 PM
I have a question for the girls.

I normally message people within the city, because of practical reasons, that I reside. However, I've decided that one of the chief advantages of online dating is it removes physical barriers so I should stop creating my own. As such, I decided to try and use the advanced search.

That would have worked, except I can't seem to bring up people who have decent profiles or interest sections, and I can't message hunreds of people trying to find out more about them.

Is there any interests you put up, or anything you can think of, that the search function allows me to search for, if I'm looking for mature/intelligent/kind people? Perhaps I could search for students, but at my age, that doesn't necessarily mean much.

Any advice would be appreciated.

(P.S.: The main reason I'm asking this in ask a girl, is the search function only finds content in profiles, and I'm *hoping* you girls will have some sort of consistent standard that as a guy, is just beyond me...like dusting. :p)
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 3 (view)
 
When you ask me to hang up, why do you get mad when I do it?
Posted: 2/6/2007 11:23:35 PM

freshly cut balls


I cringed just reading that.

Some things shouldn't be joked about :p
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 43 (view)
 
Curly hair or straight?
Posted: 2/6/2007 11:22:41 PM
Straight Hair, hands down.

I used to always **** at a female friend to wear her hair straight cuz she looked stunning when she did :p, with a nice little flower in it.

I swear, sexiest girl on campus.

:p
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 50 (view)
 
How to Meet Guys at Church
Posted: 2/6/2007 11:20:52 PM

You can hold whatever opinion you care to, this is getting off topic, if you want a debate go to the religion thread.


I could, yes, however, I choose not to.

I believe it's on topic. The OP made several general statements with regards to how to meet guys or why she wasn't meeting guys at church, the religious reference helps to illustrate the varied opinions on the concept, which adversely affects her odds.

Further, I'm fairly certain that many Christian Churches would be against using it as a dating hall, even if some run single's functions outside of mass hours. I already pointed out it's an effort to stay relevant in today's society, it's not a genuine desire on their part.

Oh, and for the record, I did go to a Catholic High School so -> I think I have a little bit of a knowledge on the subject.

-Pyke

P.S.: I know I can hold whatever opinion I hold to, it's called Section 2 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms :)
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 65 (view)
 
Being raped
Posted: 2/6/2007 11:34:10 AM

I condemn the women who falsely accuse men of raping them, I really think that it's almost as heinous a crime as rape itself. Not only is the woman who does this ruining the life of the man she's accusing, but she's making it harder for the women who have actually been raped to have thier justice.


I agree, though unfortunately it doesn't change the fact that as a result of them, one must still be cautious accepting anectodal evidence, whether right or wrong. I realize this puts some victims in a bad situation, and I wish I had a solution for it, but I don't.


I agree that some women, SOME, not by any means a large proportion, have falsely accused a man of rape, but this number is so so much less than the amount of women who are raped and don't report because the system is set up to not beleive them.


Perhaps, but again, I value the process. I believe in a judicial system, and in innocent until proven guilty. I recognize that the number is small but sadly because it exists, you have to have more protection in place for the defendent then you might ideally like.

It's the trade off we make for a free and democratic society.


You will never get me to agree that rape shield laws are unconstitutional. Whether or not a woman has has sex once of a hundred times has no bearing on whether she consented to the one act that is before the court. That's like saying that a woman cannot get a conviction of rape against a husband because she consented so many times in the past.


Please dont misidentify my concern.

My concern is not whether or not she deserves protection (she does), but the fact is the defendent, who may be innocent (in the concept of innocent until proven guilty, guaranteed under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms) should have a right to prove his innocence. To me, this is very important. If we let our judicial system break down, what do we have left?


It's also like saying that once a woman becomes a prostitute that she must have sex with every man who wants her. A prostitute has every right to deny sex as any other woman, even if a man has paid, she can say no and (I hope) hand his money back. What if he refuses to wear a condom, or what if he has sores on his genitals? you're saying that she has no right to say no? or just that she has no right to a fair trial for the man that rapes her?


Obviously a prostitute has the same rights as any other woman, though part of the problem is that prostitution is illegal. It should be legalized and government controlled, with mandatory medical testing for patrons as well as for the women every month. It should be taxed, and treated like any other service. Psychological tests should be provided, and if people are in the field because of the right reasons, then there's nothing wrong with that.

I do not view it as any different then from a painter who sells the work of his hands, the lawyer who sells his mind, or the singer who sells her voice. So that's the first thing.

Secondly, yes, prostitutes have the right to refuse, and no, their profession should not be a consideration. What I'm saying is the accused also has a right to a fair trial, and that justb ecause a prostitute says he raped her, does not mean he did. One could have had consentual sex with a prostitute, and paid her. She could have said "If you don't pay me more, I'll say you raped me." Maybe she was desperate for cash because she had a child at home starving (another problem entirely, but interrelated), maybe she was just a snake.

Whatever the case may be, protection should exist under the law for both the victim and the accused, because not all accused's are guilty.
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 63 (view)
 
Being raped
Posted: 2/6/2007 10:39:57 AM

But men stop making sweeping statements..


Given the amount of women in this thread who have made sweeping statements, compared to the number of men who've posted, even if 200% of all male posters (obviously, impossible) had been making sweeping statements it would be less then the number of females guilty of the same thing here.

Perhaps you mean, "stop making statements which contradict our sweeping statements."
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 61 (view)
 
Apparently everyone failed logic?
Posted: 2/6/2007 10:21:51 AM
Ok, maybe not always, but often it is. I would much rather have a broken arm.


Which is my point - assault varies. Sometimes people 'only' suffer a broken arm, other times the damage is longer lasting (broken neck, scars, etc). Some people who are assaulted receive burns to 80-90% of their bodies. Some are crippled, and will never walk again. Some are killed outright.

I would never seek to undermine the suffering that a rape victim must go through, but, I don't believe it's right to automatically disregard person "X"'s suffering simply because he/she was assaulted.

Why can you not punish both crimes equally? Why can't we as a society perceive both crimes to be terrible? Both are instances of someone forcing their will onto another, in both cases more for dominance and the rush that they experience then pleasure.

They're both heinous.

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And I think the worst thing is that our society re-victimizes women who have been raped throughout the entire proceedure, the reporting process, the physical exams, the trials.


Part of me agrees with you, and part of me doesn't. Partially because, there are examples like the girl on the 2nd page of this thread who know friends who've falsely accused people of rape. They already can ruin an innocent person's life, I am unsure that I want to make that process either.

Then again though, I tend to be the type who would let a thousand guilty people go free then send an innocent person to jail, so that's likely why I feel that way. Ideally, rape victims would not have to go through that, but there has to be such a thing as a right to a trial, if not for the rapists, for those wrongfully accused.


A person who gets mugged in an alley is never asked "why didn't you fight back? you must have been asking for it ..."


They're very different crimes in the sense that, you rarely consent to assault, but frequently consent to sex. The reason this is the case is the trial hinges on whether or not it was rape or consentual, going back to my wrongfully accused statement. I sympathize with the rape victim, but it's true of any victim in our society and the process is established that way to try and ensure that innocent people do not go to prison. It is clearly not very effective, as innocent people often do go to prison, but it's better then nothing.


While a woman who doesn't fight to within an inch of her life is always questioned if she 'asked for it'.


There are many factors for this. I can cite examples of cases where younger girls sleep with their boyfriends, the parents find out, and for reasons of race/whatever the parents insist it was rape. They tell their daughter that he forced himself on her, and it was rape.

I can cite examples with older women where, knowing how effective it is, they use it as a tool to get rid of people who are nagging them. Do most women do it? Of course not. Most rape victims are just that, victims. However, the man sitting in the box deserves the right to a defence, just incase, he actually is innocent.


Many times if a woman does not sustain serious physical trauma, the man is not convicted.


This is primarily because rape is a crime where it's only his word against hers, making it difficult to convict. This is preferable to a system where if someone says you're a criminal, you must automatically be a criminal, at least in my mind.


And in court a woman's entire sexual history is put out there for the world to judge (although we have rape shield laws here in canada, sneaky lawyers are always finding ways around them).


Rape shield laws should be unconstitutional, under Section 9 and Section 11d of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. If you are offering only anectodal evidence that you were raped, then it is difficult to throw someone's life away on your word.

Is it right? No. However, I can't see how making more potential victims is better. The key is to seek to eliminate rape in our society as much as possible, rather trying to piece together what actually happened after the fact.


A woman who has slept around a bit will rarely find that her rapist is convicted, and heaven help the prostitutes who get raped.


As a result of it being hard to infer a lack of consent, and there only being anecdotal evidence. Flip it around and say a prostitute who gets mad at a patron and accuses him of raping her since he won't buy her a nice necklace. Should he go to prison?

What if he's your father? Your brother? Your son?
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 43 (view)
 
How to Meet Guys at Church
Posted: 2/6/2007 10:13:02 AM

I agree with fred about faith not being about logic, I would go further to say that faith is the very antithesis of logic.


Convenient. :).

I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one less god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods, you'll understand why I dismiss yours.
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 7 (view)
 
sex before dating
Posted: 2/5/2007 6:47:03 PM
With 99% of guys, having sex is just going to be mission accomplished.

The other 1% aren't going to sleep with you after a couple dates. :)
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 56 (view)
 
Apparently everyone failed logic?
Posted: 2/5/2007 6:31:26 PM

Pyke, until you have experienced BOTH forms of abuse, you have no right to call me stupid and irresponsible. But you obviously haven't, so don't you freaking dare talk to me like that.


I didn't call you stupid and irresponsible, I said that saying rape is always worse than assault is stupid and irresponsible.

"You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be misquoted and used against you in a court of law."
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 14 (view)
 
Why do some guys
Posted: 2/5/2007 6:29:43 PM


A girl I'm having a fight with elsewhere on this site is a perfect example. That's a total turnoff--a pretty girl who is vain or shallow. I'd rather date a nice girl with ordinary looks any day.


I can think of one or two that i'd agree with you on ;). Disappointing. How come the nice girls couldn't look like them :p
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 33 (view)
 
How to Meet Guys at Church
Posted: 2/5/2007 5:59:13 PM
Lol, the church runs singles groups in an effort to stay relevant in a society in which more and more people are applying things like "reason" and "logic" to the teachings of the church.

I <3 Christians. There's nothing more amusing than a christian trying to defend theology.

In any event, if you want to go to Church to meet people, why not? It's a business, you're a patron, so it's your decision :).
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 11 (view)
 
Eater Or Nibbler...
Posted: 2/5/2007 3:41:23 PM
I'm not dating a rabbit.

They have sharp teeth.

If she nibbles, I'm concerned she's a rabbit :p.
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 35 (view)
 
Do women answer instant messages while online?
Posted: 2/5/2007 1:08:40 PM

I do the same. I get plenty of IM's from random women I don't know. And 99% of the time, they're just there to talk dirty to me, or flash their boobies on the webcam.


Damn. Feel free to redirect them to me....I mean :p.

LoL.

Just kidding ofc ;), I insist I at least learn your name first :D.
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 49 (view)
 
The Point:
Posted: 2/5/2007 12:09:14 PM
What i'm trying to convey - is society DOES compare them.

They automatically assume rape is worse all the time, and the punishments are handed out accordingly. I do not feel that is right.

I do not condone rapists, and I'm sorry for anyone who had to go through that, but the point is ultimately that society should treat both crimes as heinous, and evaluate them on a case by case basis.

There should be more consideration into the whether the victim as well, the state they are in, etc.

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As to the rapist -> My focus is not on them, it is on those who are *wrongly* accused of rape, a girl in this thread brought up an example of it. That man's reputation is ruined and he didn't do a thing, that's a problem that should be fixed.
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 43 (view)
 
Apparently everyone failed logic?
Posted: 2/5/2007 3:10:24 AM

Uh, no you can’t. Not really... Not unless it involves sodomy.

Though this was not to which I refer, it is technically still a form of physical abuse.


The OP and Pyke do not understand any of this. They only see the ‘end physical result’ and think that’s all that matters.

Really? Interesting assertion given your future statement implies the end result (psychologically speaking of the most intimate act) is all that matters. I suppose this is not concerned only with the end result? You cannot compare someone who is quadraplegic or even dead because of an assault to someone who is raped. They are not even in the same ballpark.

Are there some instances of rape which are worse? Sure, when they put the person in the quadraplegic's chair or in the coffin, then they suffered worse.


Or are narrisistic enough to think their past gives them the right to the same sort of trauma.

I love argumentum ad hominum. Consequently, I do not claim I remotely have any idea of what it is like to be raped. I do claim I understand abuse, in at least 1 form. I would not be as presumptious to rank it or compare it to rape because, I view it as a very different type of crime. The harm I suffered was nearly entirely psychological, and in no way can compare to a rape or physical assault.

I do not make the contention it does. I do make the contention that rape is not, automatically, worse then assault, just because it's rape. The two are not the same, please at least avoid fallacies if you insist on challenging this reasonable assertion. Thanks.


Sorry, but it doesn’t. Rape is VERY different from being beaten up.

No.


Why? Because it’s not just about being demeaned, degraded, violated and overpowered (which you feel from being beaten) but the fact the most intimate act (involving the most intimate parts of the body) known to men is being forced on someone. It’s like comparing a clean bone break to a shattered bone. Physical abuse may be close to the demeaning, degrading, violating and overpowering, but it will never be more.

So, they are very different (by your argument) but, by your own argument:
Rape:
Demeaning
Physical Abuse:
Demeaning
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Rape:
Degrading
Physical Abuse:
Degrading
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Rape:
Violated
Physical Abuse:
Violated
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Rape:
Overpowering
Physical Abuse:
Overpowering
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That's an awful lot of similiarities. In fact, the only evidence you produce is that one is an "intimate" act. This is partially true, because culturally you're correct, though biologically you aren't. However, since psychology is based on culture, I will agree that this differs from physical assault, which does not involve intimacy. However, physical assault can leave long lasting psychological effects that contextually can be just as bad. You're making assumptions here.


That is a fact. Case closed.

No, that's an opinion. Big difference.

The case will never be closed until the legal system and society recognizes both actions as wrong and heinous. I do not agree with rape, I do not believe it's right, and I do not wish it on my worst enemy. That being said, to state rape is always worse then assault is just blatently stupid and irresponsible.
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 49 (view)
 
Picture with other girls - good or bad?
Posted: 2/5/2007 2:32:35 AM

I really don't want to say it, but any guy who has a pic of a woman kissing him on the cheek,is just trying to prove that some woman, somewhere....likes him..... Great marketing tool, but pretty obvious......... Nice try.........


Believe what you want.
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 17 (view)
 
How do I tell him about the Mites?
Posted: 2/5/2007 12:02:34 AM
Googling them, I would suspect you'd need to be asthematic (I am, though, other then when I stir up dust mites, I have no issues), or have an allergy to them for it to be a problem.

Your doctor has no idea what he's talking about, no offence.
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 40 (view)
 
Being raped
Posted: 2/4/2007 11:44:58 PM
The sad thing is - there's no evidence in that case, all of it is circumstancial.

I bet you he get's convicted anyway.
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 38 (view)
 
:: sigh ::..... Why am I posting?
Posted: 2/4/2007 11:25:20 PM

A violation of a person's body in any form should be considered a heinous act...


I'd raise no objections.


I will say, is that being raped means a violation of ones body, and as has been said before, a control over and not sexual act.


I can cite several forms of physical abuse that are the same, but I don't disagree with the premise.


To say that anyone who is raped is just overpowered and taken isn't really considering the anger involved in the act.


Yes, I imagine beatings involve no anger.


and you are just as apt to end up beaten, in the hospital with stitches, broken bones, broken mind, because face it, the act is to demean you as a person, take your power away from you, and ultimately let you know who is the weaker one....


Once again, I can cite several forms of physical abuse that are the same and are equally demeaning.


sounds a bit like being beaten up.


That's because they are both, contextually at the extreme, the same.


A true assault of the body in any form should be recognised equally


Yet they aren't. Society and individuals in general seem to feel rape is more heinous, I dont agree with that.


The point is here, when someone attempts to steal the essence of your spirit, your freedom, it is a crime....


Yes, but there are different punishments. A girl I discussed this with before I posted said "simple" rape (and I cringe with the use of "simple") carried a significantly lighter sentence then rape with a weapon, for example. However, in either case, the punishment for assault was generally less then that of rape, which to me, is illogical.


But to say rape is a sugar coated event in order to make your point about being beat up is really saying something about you.. sounds like you have some indepth healing to accomplish and that truly you must feel raped and want the recognition of the hateful act committed against you.... I get it....


I'm going to assume you're talking about the OP; since I haven't sugar coated rape at all, but people in this thread seem to enjoy sugar coating assault.

Just my $0.02.
 Pyke
Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Which would make you mor uncomfortable, mother or children?
Posted: 2/4/2007 2:16:59 PM
Girlfriend's daughter cause I'm 20.
:)
 
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