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jacobite45

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The Things You Left Behind Posted: 12/20/2007 6:17:40 PM
No need to be excused. It's a nice birthday present and I hope that she appreciated it.

jacobite45

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“Viewed me” link on POF Posted: 12/13/2007 4:20:31 PM
Not always a "chicken", you may get viewed by someone interested in your profile who then can't message you because the are outside of the options you have set up such as age, picture, etc.

jacobite45

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Feedback on my profile appreciated Posted: 11/8/2007 4:57:40 PM
Stacy, The shyness probably affects all of us and I would imagine that these sites are perfect for enabling one to communicate and find out if they have things in common so that when meeting face to face it isn't as hard to find common ground, relax and enjoy the company.

Jacobite45

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friend with no benifits? Posted: 7/17/2007 1:53:42 PM
Snake, he is his late 50's and you said that the sex had been good so he must have been sexually aroused by you. I think I agree with one of the other postes as I am also in the Medical Field and suspect that he has other health issues he is not disclosing; perhaps he feels to embarrased to discuss them? Many men of that age group and generation would never dream of talking about sex or a sexual dysfunction with a partner.

Jacobite45

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To Die Rich is to Die Disgraced Andrew Carnegie Posted: 7/16/2007 1:39:59 PM
Here is a copy of the article http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14535862/site/newsweek/

Jacobite45

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To Die Rich is to Die Disgraced Andrew Carnegie Posted: 7/16/2007 1:38:24 PM
I read an article in newsweek about Warren Buffets donation and the fact that his is totally unlike Bill Gates in that Buffet did nothing to give himself any tax break at all and is structured to no shit give away 100% of his money. I must say that I am impressed at someone who puts their money where his mouth is. It is easy for those of us who don't have and didn't make 100's of Billions of Dollars to say "give it to the poor", maybe it is easier said than done. I for one will at least applaud Buffet for sticking to his word that money should be shared instead of passed on to heirs.

Jacobite45

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What is your favorite travel destination? Posted: 7/15/2007 6:59:22 PM
Check out this video and tell me Scotland isn't a great Travel Destination http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayrkSoVvK7A

jacobite45

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To Die Rich is to Die Disgraced Andrew Carnegie Posted: 7/14/2007 12:18:53 PM
How much of what is donated today is merely a ploy to save money in taxes in the long and short term? I remember being shocked and thinking very highly of Ted Turner when he pledged to donate 1 Billion Dollars to the UN a few years ago and then finding out that he was actually going to make that Billion plus 100 Million back over a few years the way the donation was structured. The following is a breakdown of the short term benefit of Turners donation Ted's Excellent Donation When does a $1 billion gift turn into a $100 million gain? Now that Ted Turner's accountants have had time to recover from the shock of their boss's impulsive $1 billion gift to the United Nations, it's time to design the deal. Bottom line: Turner, or at least his heirs, could end up $100 million richer because he's giving a billion away. For that to happen, the Time Warner vice chairman would have to sacrifice some upside potential on his stock market investments. He should make the U.N. donation in stock rather than cash, as he'd originally planned, top tax experts say. Also, Turner would have to earn a lot of income - perhaps more than he is capable of - to qualify for every tax benefit. That said, here's a look at potential strategy for Turner, developed for USA TODAY by Arthur Andersen tax partner Joseph Toce, author of Tax Economics of Charitable Giving, and Ernst & Young tax partner Bob Coplan, director of the Center for Family Wealth Planning. Turner's 12% stake in Time Warner - worth $3.4 billion - has risen $850 million since October when he traded his cable television empire for stock in the New York-based media giant. If Time Warner's share price continues to surge, a stock gift would reduce his out-of-pocket expense. It also could boost the U.N.'s gain. But he should forget his off-the-cuff proposal to borrow against existing stock holdings to make a cash donation. He can't deduct the interest on such a loan. The tax benefits of a stock donation can be immense. Turner got his Time Warner stock at $41.38 a share. It's now worth $54.59 a share. He could deduct the $13.31-a-share difference because the price appreciation on donated stock qualifies for the tax deduction. There's a second benefit to this: Turner would not have to pay a 20% capital gains tax he would have to pay if he sold the stock and then donated the proceeds. But there's a catch to all this: Gift deductions are limited to 30% of adjusted gross income, meaning Turner would have to earn $330 million a year to write off his proposed 10-year, $100 million annual gift to the U.N. That might exceed his earnings potential. Potential savings so far: * $170 million capital gains tax break on the appreciation through Monday of Turner's Time Warner stock. * Potential $396 million in income tax deduction for the $1 billion charitable contribution, reflecting his 39.6% income tax bracket. * And by making the donation, Tuner's heirs would be spared a 55% estate tax, equal to $550 million on the $1 billion gift to the U.N. Total potential savings: $1.1 billion - $100 million more than he plans to give. That's not to diminish the generosity of the gift. Arthur Andersen's Toce says: "By any measure, this is a staggering amount, and it will give others a target to shoot for." Ernst & Young's Coplan adds: "He is making a transfer that is likely beyond his ability to absorb the benefit. It emphasizes that his No. 1 priority was to be charitable, and he's trying to challenge his billionaire brethren to chip in." http://www.nhf.org/charitable_planning/ted_turner.htm

jacobite45

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To Die Rich is to Die Disgraced Andrew Carnegie Posted: 7/14/2007 10:37:05 AM
Sly, I totally agree with you that these guys all had blood on their hands, just like many of the Super Rich do today, what I want to know is do the ones today for all the fact that they say they want to do well and help the poor and the community really put their money where their mouths are at the way that the ones of old did. Carnegie didn't just say that he was going to HE DID IT, even if it was motivated by trying to attone for wrong doing in the past the fact remains that he did.

jacobite45

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How do you feel about Interracial Dating ? Posted: 7/14/2007 4:54:34 AM
I don't know Wayne, I am Foreign Born and moved to the U.S. as a teenager, I was also christened a Catholic when I was born. You sure we are still brothers; just because I am white? Oh did i mention that I find women of other races and mixed races highly attractive and just as dateable as white women?

jacobite45

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"To Die Rich is to Die Disgraced" Andrew Carnegie Posted: 7/14/2007 4:45:53 AM
Do todays Rich compare to Andrew Carnegie, The Worlds One Time Richest Man, who gave all his money away to serve the community and the poor? Will todays Rich leave the same legacy? It is at least refreshing to see people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet upset at the inequity between the Rich and the Poor but who will do what Carnegie did and put their money where their mouths are ? The Carnegie family emigrated to the United States while he was still a boy in 1848 and Andrew went on to make his fortune. He founded the Carnegie Steel Company, which was to become one of the most powerful and influential corporations in US history; today it is known as US Steel. Carnegie was the Bill Gates of his day, at one point earning the title of "the richest man in the world". However, he has become best known not for making money, but for giving it away. From the 1880s onwards, Carnegie devoted himself to philanthropy. It's estimated that by the time of his death in 1919, he had given away $350,695,653 of his fortune, or $4.3bn in today's money. Upon his death, he gave his remaining $30m to various charities and to pensioners. Carnegie had a dictum, which was 'to die rich is to die disgraced another edict that he lived by was that " he did not believe that he was doing his children any favor by leaving them the almighty dollar" probably the most famous disavowal of "inherited wealth". Carnegie Corporation of New York was created by Andrew Carnegie in 1911 to promote "the advancement and diffusion of knowledge and understanding." Under Carnegie's will, grants must benefit the people of the United States, although up to 7.4 percent of the funds may be used for the same purpose in countries that are or have been members of the British Commonwealth, with a current emphasis on Commonwealth Africa. As a grantmaking foundation, the Corporation seeks to carry out Carnegie's vision of philanthropy, which he said should aim "to do real and permanent good in this world. Did he have the right idea and do we need more like Carnegie?

jacobite45

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Warren Buffet Legendary investor weighs 2008 choices Posted: 7/13/2007 1:52:42 PM
To die rich is to die disgraced Andrew Carnegie Surplus wealth is a sacred trust which its possessor is bound to administer in his lifetime for the good of the community. Andrew Carnegie OMAHA, Neb. - Someday soon, Warren Buffett may have to apply his legendary stock-picking skills to the candidates clamoring for his endorsement in the 2008 presidential race. For now, the plainspoken Nebraska billionaire appears to be enjoying his role as an unaffiliated kingmaker, raising money for Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton while promising to do the same for her chief rival, Barack Obama. He's even heaped praise on New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who recently left the Republican Party and might join the race as an independent. "As the markets often would follow Buffett's investments, I think that same mentality would follow his political activities, too," said Joseph Marbach, a Seton Hall University political science professor. An outspoken critic of economic inequality in the U.S., Buffett is using his newfound political prominence as a platform to speak out on the obligation of the privileged to help the poor. The 76-year-old Buffett is one of the world's wealthiest men, ranked third by Forbes Magazine behind Microsoft founder Bill Gates and Mexican telecom magnate Carlos Slim. In 1956, armed with $105,000 raised from a handful of friends and relatives, Buffett founded the investment company now known as Berkshire Hathaway. Today, the company has assets of nearly $262 billion and owns more than 60 subsidiary businesses including insurance, clothing, candy and furniture. In 2003, Buffett served as a top economic adviser to Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger's first campaign for California governor, but he advised Democrat John Kerry's presidential campaign a year later. He's also been active in several Nebraska contests. When it comes to investing dollars in candidates, Buffett clearly favors Democrats. He's donated $65,600 to federal candidates since 1992, almost all of it to Democrats with a handful of contributions to moderate Republicans like Connecticut Rep. Chris Shays, according to Federal Election Commission records available through the nonpartisan Web site opensecrets.org. He gave $4,000 to Clinton's Senate campaign in 2000, and $5,000 to Obama's political action committee, Hope Fund, in 2005. Buffett's political involvement reached a new level this year, as he began more forcefully criticizing the Bush administration's foreign and tax policies. Buffett helped Clinton pull in at least $1 million at a New York fundraiser last month, and has said he would do the same for Obama later this year. But in a recent Time magazine interview, he also said he dreamed of a Bloomberg-Schwarzenegger presidential ticket. "That would be one hell of a team, wouldn't it?" he said. Buffett's political views have at times been controversial in the business world, particularly on the subject of taxes. He's made no secret of his belief that rich people have a duty to pay more taxes and that President Bush and Republicans in Congress have erred by pushing tax cuts for the wealthy. "If you're in the luckiest 1 percent of humanity, you owe it to the rest of humanity to think about the other 99 percent," Buffett told attendees at the Clinton fundraiser. On Friday, Clinton's campaign announced her support for cracking down on a tax loophole known as "carried interest" that allows some Wall Street investment managers to pay lower tax rates, citing concerns raised by "many finance and tax experts, including billionaire financier Warren Buffett." In 2003, Schwarzenegger had to distance himself from Buffett after the billionaire was quoted criticizing Proposition 13, California's landmark initiative that keeps property taxes artificially low. The measure is revered by Republicans and many homeowners in the state, but it has also been blamed for badly underfunding public schools. "I told Warren if he mentions Prop. 13 one more time he has to do 500 sit-ups," Schwarzenegger said at the time. Dubbed the "Oracle of Omaha" by his many admirers, Buffett is revered in the business world. His annual investment lecture draws at least 25,000 people to Omaha. Buffett grew up a Republican like his father, Howard, who represented Nebraska's 2nd District in Congress from 1943-49 and 1951-53. The younger Buffett switched parties during the early 1960s, saying his views on civil rights aligned more with Democrats. Andy Kilpatrick, the stockbroker who has chronicled Buffett's life in "Of Permanent Value: the Warren Buffett Story," said Buffett's political activity seems to be attracting more attention now than it has in the past. Kilpatrick attributed the new interest in part to Buffett's growing visibility as a philanthropist, particularly his plan to donate most of his fortune to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. While carefully withholding a formal endorsement, Buffett has said he'd be happy with either Clinton or Obama as president. Federal Election Commission records show that Buffett donated the maximum $4,600 to Clinton's campaign in January, while no donations to Obama have yet been reported. University of Nebraska at Omaha political scientist Loree Bykerk said Buffett's reluctance to officially back either Clinton or Obama suggests he still believes the race for the Democratic nomination is wide open. When he does decide, Bykerk said, the endorsement will carry that much more weight. "Insofar as he's seen as to be an excellent decision-maker, very competent, down to earth, and with Middle American values, there's almost no downside to that endorsement," she said. "He's a name almost anyone would be happy to be associated with." ___ Associated Press writer Beth Fouhy in New York contributed to this report. Do todays Rich compare to Carnegie, The Worlds One Time Richest Man, who gave all his money away to serve the community and the poor? Will these Rich leave the same legacy? It is at least refreshing to see Buffet upset at the inequity between the Rich and the Poor but who will do what Carnegie did? The Carnegie family emigrated to the United States in 1848 where Andrew went on to make his fortune. He founded the Carnegie Steel Company, which was to become one of the most powerful and influential corporations in US history; today it is known as US Steel. Carnegie was the Bill Gates of his day, at one point earning the title of "the richest man in the world". However, he has become best known not for making money, but for giving it away. From the 1880s onwards, Carnegie devoted himself to philanthropy. It's estimated that by the time of his death in 1919, he had given away $350,695,653 of his fortune, or $4.3bn in today's money. Upon his death, he gave his remaining $30m to various charities and to pensioners. "Carnegie had a dictum, which was 'to die rich is to die disgraced Carnegie Corporation of New York was created by Andrew Carnegie in 1911 to promote "the advancement and diffusion of knowledge and understanding." Under Carnegie's will, grants must benefit the people of the United States, although up to 7.4 percent of the funds may be used for the same purpose in countries that are or have been members of the British Commonwealth, with a current emphasis on Commonwealth Africa. As a grantmaking foundation, the Corporation seeks to carry out Carnegie's vision of philanthropy, which he said should aim "to do real and permanent good in this world

jacobite45

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Canada's Healthcare System Receives a Major Blow Posted: 7/12/2007 4:51:59 PM
Bulldog, Not a Canada Vs U.S. thread, but take a long hard look at the shattered lives of people in the U.S. who lose everything when they come down with a major illness. Universal Healthcare is the right way to go... HEALTH is a basic human right and is in the best intrest of the community as a whole.

jacobite45

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Canada's Healthcare System Receives a Major Blow Posted: 7/12/2007 4:49:26 PM
Enoon, What the hell are you talking about? We do not have hospitals that provide FREE healthcare to anyone. What you are referring to is the COBRA act the requires emergency treatment to stabilize a patient before you can shit can him somewhere else, a huge reason that many hospitals have shut down their ER's to eliminate having to treat indigents with no insurance.

jacobite45

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Interracial Dating.... Posted: 7/12/2007 3:05:04 PM
Jooly, I have to agree there are some absoluetly gorgoues mixed raced offstring.

jacobite45

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How do you feel about Interracial Dating ? Posted: 7/11/2007 1:14:18 PM
AH!!!!!! There you go Wayne, you finally said what it is that you think and feel... you don't like black people. I would assume that blacks are responsible for your lack of education and you not having your dream job or house either? I will also say that, although I am the same color as you, I am in now way your brother nor do I want to be associated with a train of thought that is so repugnant. Grow up dude, expand your horizons and stop reading old KKK propaganda crap.

jacobite45

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Interracial Dating.... Posted: 7/11/2007 1:08:36 PM
Wayne, Again, please state reasons for your assumptions that a particular "race" causes more crime, AIDS, and trouble in this country than any other. Spit it out dude, what race are you talking about? Stand up and be a man!!! Don't hide your ignorance behind statements that you don't back up with fact. 100 Percent white huh? How boring to say that about yourself... I bet you can't stand to color outside the lines either.

jacobite45

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Interracial Dating.... Posted: 7/11/2007 12:32:14 PM
Wayne, By looking at your profile, you seem to have searched out all the interracial threads that you can find to say that you disapprove of interracial dating. What is your specific issue with it? Don't just say something is wrong because YOU say so... speak up dude... do you have a reason or do you just not like people of other races and get worked up at the sight of the races intermingling? You are from Ga. I would venture to say that you have more interracial blood flowing through your veins than you think.

jacobite45

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Sheehan considers challenge to Pelosi Posted: 7/11/2007 10:27:05 AM
I am going to post another view on Sheehan. Just to clear some things up, I am active duty military who also feels that it is time for the war to end. The actions of Sheehan though strike me as self serving and opportunistic, almost like profiting from the death of her son. I downloaded this post from another site on the internet: http://errantmind.wordpress.com/2007/01/14/cindy-sheehan-and-anti-war-protesters-selfishness-convenience-and-insults-to-our-soldiers/ Some people will do anything for their own ends, irregardless of the consequences to others—be it individuals, nations, ideals or causes. They’ll even dishonor the dead for no other reason than to create perceived self-importance in order to validate their own meaningless lives, which will never involve sacrifice. They can’t even begin to comprehend what it means to act heroically. Insults And Hypocrisy Cindy Sheehan has gone to Cuba, now. She claims she’s protesting the war effort on behalf of her son—who gave his life in sacrifice for a cause he believed in while fighting the enemies of our nation. Yet, her very actions are an insult to the sacrifice he and others have made. I understand grief over a lost one. I understand seeking to find meaning in the sacrifice one made for another; the truth is that her son Casey’s sacrifice was as obvious as it gets. I don’t understand how you attack everything about your country which you were only too happy to be a willing citizen of when your son was alive and you claimed to be proud of him—just because he died? If he had died in a car accident, I wonder if she would have given up her car and crusaded against the auto industry. I doubt it. She wouldn’t be garnering popularity the same, and she would have to give up so much. Genuine sacrifice would be too much for someone like her. Dishonoring The Sacrifices Of Soldiers And, it’s just as obvious she’s willing to disgrace the sacrifice of people braver, kinder, more compassionate, and more caring than her just so she can see her name on television. We have had—for many years now—an all volunteer military. Everyone serving in it knew what they were getting into when they signed up. There is no question whether or not we need to be fighting the War on Terror. Our way of life—predicated on democracy, freedom and liberty—is threatened, and we must answer the call to arms or face an end to that way of life. Who will preserve our nation? People like Cindy Sheehan? I doubt it. It’s great to argue that dissent is needed. Of course it is. We’ve always known that—it’s why our nation was founded in the first place. It’s completely another thing to argue that our nation will exist simply because of the goodwill and forebearance of others. That’s about as much wild fantasy as anyone can dream up. We have to fight for our right to exist. Standing Up For What You Believe In Is “Bullshit,” According To Cindy Sheehan Casey Sheehan gave his life fighting for things he believed in. However, by her own words, Cindy Sheehan has called it all “bullshit” which is demeaning. “America has been killing people, like my sister over here says, since we first stepped on this continent, we have been responsible for death and destruction. I passed on that bullshit to my son and my son enlisted.” — Cindy Sheehan Now, his mother is making a career out of saying his sacrifice was meaningless, pointless, and unnecessary on top of being “bullshit“. What a hypocrite she is—proud that he served before his death, and now ashamed of the sacrifice he made. Happily, she creates divisiveness among our nations people, which disheartens soldiers and those who are supposed to support them and love them, just so she can have her name in papers and enjoy some limelight. Some People Don’t Understand Sacrifice, Would Never Sacrifice The saddest part about it? She was just one of innumerable parents who have children proudly serving their country, and all the attention she gets—all of her self-importance—only stems from the death of her son. I suppose if one looks hard enough, they can find the twisted logic that allows a parent who claims to love their child—and you would think a parent would love a child unconditionally, for who they are—yet sleep well at night after inferring that their child did not know what they hell they were doing and thinking when they laid down their life for something they believed in. And all because the parent can’t figure out what their personal beliefs are. If one of my parents ever disgraced my memory that way, I would rest uneasy in my grave. In fact, I am estranged from my own birth mother who took umbrage at my dropping out of college to go on active duty (I was in the reserves at the time) in the U.S. Army Infantry. I have not spoken to her except on two occassions in 15 years, both of which were only out of forced politeness when my maternal grandmother (may she rest in peace) and my nephew were hospitalized both within a year of each other and in a bad way. Much like Cindy Sheehan, she has been hypocritical about my service. I knew what I was getting into, and despite her not wanting to see it, it was my decision. Not anyone else’s—not my father’s (he wanted me to go to college more than anything), not a power-hungry President’s, and not some greedy oil company’s. It was my choice, just as it was Casey Sheehan’s choice—just as my father chose freely to go to Viet Nam. Sadly, wars take lives, and we cannot say whose life it may or may not take. When the hell will people wake up and realize that if you love someone, you don’t try to belittle their beliefs and accomplishments just because you don’t know what your own are? Or, because they weren’t in agreement with your own views? Lest you think I’m being hypocritical myself, let me say that I believe others have a right to their own views. However, when they make pesonal attacks on individuals, esepcially when they are unfounded, hypocritical, uninformed, done merely for selfish reasons, and when it is convenient, I have no respect for such people. I respect people deserving of respect, people who have conviction, and people who respect others. For those who who are fair-weather friends, for those who spew only hate because they cannot understand something outside their capabilities to, I have no reservations about pointing out their self-serving attitudes. Nor do I have any reservations about standing up on behalf of my fellow veterans, including Casey Sheehan, whom I regard as heroic and a patriot worthy of dignity and respect, unlike the disrespect his own mother heaps upon his memory. How Come War Protesters Do Nothing Between Wars? Where the hell was Cindy Sheehan before her son died? Where were all these anti-war protesters in the years before the war? The fact is they have to find something to give their lives meaning, and—instead of actually doing what soldiers do, which is go overseas and do what it is they believe in—they want to do it safe and sound, here at home. And only when it’s convenient. I admire those in the Peace Corp and other aid agencies (despite some disparaging remarks some Peace Corps members once made to me personally because I was a soldier). At least they act. Anti-war protesters are creatures of convenience and their convictions are, generally speaking, about as deep as a puddle of ant piss. If she’s so concerned about America, how come Cindy Sheehan wasn’t out making it better before 9/11? How come she waited until her son died to do anything about it? Her son was a better person than she is—he at least chose a position based on his own beliefs and understandings of the world and went out in the world to do something to show his beliefs. She apparently had nothing worth standing up for until her son died. Would she or any of these other anti-war protesters be out crusading against automobiles and the auto industry if a loved one was killed by a car or in an auto accident? I doubt it. Hypocrites aren’t known for their consistency or conviction. Sheehan Can’t Keep Her Stories Straight Cindy Sheehan initially spoke positively of her meeting with President Bush, but has increasingly become more vocal about wanting him impeached. She said she knew he cared about the troops over in Iraq and that he was a man of faith back then, but now that she has popularity and fame, the only way to keep it going is to become increasingly a tool of the anti-war left and to attack President Bush. She continually flip-flops on issue after issue, from point to point. She’s all about convenience. Whatever will keep her name in the headlines at the expense of her son’s memory. She’s so selfish, she would rather have the world remember her unoriginal and anti-American liberal spewing than her son’s selfless service and valiant sacrifice on behalf of a nation he loved. So Much To Despise, So Little Time In the end, It boils down to the fact her son Casey died and she can’t handle it. She can’t make sense of it because she herself would never, could never, lay down her life out of love for another or in the service of her country. She enjoys sleeping safe under the security our men and women in uniform provide, free to spew her vitriolic rhetoric about her President being on par with Hitler—calling him an American “Führer“—yet ungrateful that security is provided for her at all, despising and shaming those—like her son—who fight for it. She has hypocritically said that the war in Afghanistan is legitimate on one occasion, then turned around and said it isn’t legitimate. She described insurgents in Iraq who are blowing up not only our servicemembers, but innocent women and children and babies as well, as “freedom fighters” and says that America is a terrorist state and that our President “is the biggest terrorist in the world.” According to her, it’s President Bush’s fault that Katrina hit New Orleans, the devastation being the result of his “environmental policies.” What next? Will our President be responsible for earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, and the eventual dying of our sun millions of years from now? Is America Justified In Its War With Iraq? She’s about as smart as she is selfish. She ignores the fact that Iraq did have terrorists hiding there, including Abu Nidal. Remember him? Before 9/11, it was him and not Bin Laden who was the world’s most notorious terrorist, responsible for hundreds of attacks and deaths. He was so violent and evil that even the PLO feared him and sentenced him to death. It’s convenient for everyone to forget facts like we did find Iraq to have chemical precursors for chemical weapons. Or that they had delivery systems (rockets) they had built that exceeded the maximum allowable range under the terms of the 1991 Gulf War’s cessation of hostilities–as dictated by the United Nations…which anti-war protesters love to point to as the source of all that is proper in the world. And don’t forget, Iraq was making those when they weren’t supposed to, thus violating the terms of the Gulf War’s terms for cessation of hostilities. Never mind that we didn’t need new justification for going to war in Iraq after 9/11. Hostilities against Iraq in 1991 were only halted by agreement and Iraq’s voluntarily saying it would live up to those terms. I’m tired of hearing about how America’s invasion is unjustified because there weren’t WMD’s. Who cares? We were justified from 1991, when we defeated Iraq and they agreed to terms to save their regime. Selfishness Knows No Bounds Her own husband filed for divorce. Other members of her family have disagreed with her. She even refused to properly honor her son with a headstone suitable for a hero. But she is only too happy to take money from Democrats and liberals. She calls parents who support their children “brainwashed” and “‘continue the murder and mayhem’ moms” because everyone else must obviously be wrong and her Johnny-come-lately convenience must be correct. What would you expect from the kinds of people who call suicide bombers “freedom fighters” and would rather we endured more terror attacks here at home? That’s moral equivalency taken to absurd extremes as usual by leftists. .http://errantmind.wordpress.com/2007/01/14/cindy-sheehan-and-anti-war-protesters-selfishness-convenience-and-insults-to-our-soldiers/

jacobite45

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Sprint Says Buh-Bye to 1000 High-Maintenance Customers Posted: 7/10/2007 4:16:30 PM
I had Sprint right up until the minute that i got out of my Contract and switched to Verizon. The diffrence in Customer Service is night and day, I have rarely had any issue with my 2 years with Verizon, but when I did, it was always handled in a very professional manner. Sprint would tell me that issues had been resolved and they weren't, I had Sprint Reps curse at me, call me a liar, and hang up on me. They absolutely suck!!!!

jacobite45

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Sheehan considers challenge to Pelosi Posted: 7/8/2007 3:46:11 PM
By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated Press Writer 9 minutes ago CRAWFORD, Texas - Cindy Sheehan, the soldier's mother who galvanized the anti-war movement, said Sunday that she plans to run against House Speaker Nancy Pelosi unless she introduces articles of impeachment against President Bush in the next two weeks. Sheehan said she will run against the San Francisco Democrat in 2008 as an independent if Pelosi does not seek by July 23 to impeach Bush. That's when Sheehan and her supporters are to arrive in Washington, D.C., after a 13-day caravan and walking tour starting next week from the group's war protest site near Bush's Crawford ranch. "Democrats and Americans feel betrayed by the Democratic leadership," Sheehan told The Associated Press. "We hired them to bring an end to the war. I'm not too far from San Francisco, so it wouldn't be too big of a move for me. I would give her a run for her money." Messages left with Pelosi's staff were not immediately returned. The White House declined to comment on Sheehan's plans. She plans her official candidacy announcement Tuesday. Sunday wrapped up what is expected to be her final weekend at the 5-acre Crawford lot that she sold to California radio talk show host Bree Walker, who plans to keep it open to protesters. Sheehan announced in late May that she was leaving the anti-war movement. She said that she felt her efforts had been in vain and that she had endured smear tactics and hatred from the left, as well as the right. She said she wanted to change course. She first came to Crawford in August 2005 during a Bush vacation, demanding to talk to him about the war that killed her son Casey in 2004. She became the face of the anti-war movement during her 26-day roadside vigil, which was joined by thousands. But it also drew counter-protests by Bush supporters, many who said she was hurting troop morale. Sheehan, who has never held political office, recently said that she was leaving the Democratic Party because it "caved" in to the president. Last week, she announced her caravan to Washington, an undertaking she calls the "people's accountability movement." "I didn't expect to be back so soon, but the focus is different than it was before," Sheehan said Sunday. "Instead of talking and making accusations, we're going into communities and talking to the people who've been hurt by the Bush regime. We're finding out how we can help people." Sheehan, who will turn 50 on Tuesday, said Bush should be impeached because she believes he misled the public about the reasons for going to war, violated the Geneva Convention by torturing detainees, and crossed the line by commuting the prison sentence of former vice presidential aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby. She said other grounds for impeachment are the domestic spying program and the "inadequate and tragic" response to Hurricane Katrina. Libby was convicted of lying and obstructing justice in an investigation into the leak of a CIA officer's identity. Sheehan said she hopes Pelosi files the articles of impeachment so Sheehan can move onto her next projects, including overseas trips for humanitarian work. But if not, Sheehan said she is ready to run for office. "I'm doing it to encourage other people to run against Congress members who aren't doing their jobs, who are beholden to special interests," Sheehan said. "She (Pelosi) let the people down who worked hard to put Democrats back in power, who we thought were our hope for change." Pelosi was elected to the House in 1987 and became the first female speaker in January. Sheehan said she lives in a Sacramento suburb but declined to disclose which city, citing safety reasons. The area is outside Pelosi's district, but there are no residency requirements for congressional members, according to the California secretary of state's office. I have issues with the War also, and the handling by the President but this lady is a self efacing opportunist who has used the death of her son to further her own delusions of granduer .

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Msg: 21 (view)

Cops Say Mom, Son Forced Into Sex Posted: 7/8/2007 1:02:26 PM
[I checked the information about the crime and there wasn't any mention that the perps were in the Navy. If they were, they'd be in more trouble because the Navy will prosecute and punish them on top of what the local law enforcement will do to 'em. ] Good point, but hopefuly they will be punished so severly there is no need for added time to the sentence.

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Msg: 118 (view)

User Names - Attract Or Repulse? Posted: 7/8/2007 12:54:50 PM
HRWILD, You are probably just in the wrong location. I am sure that plenty of people would be interested in you, you are just not nearby them. Your day will come and someone will "wow" you.

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Msg: 19 (view)

Cops Say Mom, Son Forced Into Sex Posted: 7/8/2007 12:00:14 PM
Mark, The Navy should have taught you that you are blue.

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Msg: 15 (view)

Cops Say Mom, Son Forced Into Sex Posted: 7/8/2007 11:30:06 AM
Does it really matter what the racial makeup is? I could care less if they are all black, white, brown, yellow, or purple. They are animals and deserve punishment of the most extreme kind.

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Msg: 6 (view)

Cops Say Mom, Son Forced Into Sex Posted: 7/8/2007 6:54:13 AM
Ironic, I was thinking when I read this that the perpetrators should all be put to death.

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Msg: 4 (view)

Cops Say Mom, Son Forced Into Sex Posted: 7/8/2007 6:07:30 AM
Girlflower, Could you please post a link to the place that people could make donations? There is no way that these two could live any kind of life in that neighborhood and that child will need help that is beyond belief.

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Cops Say Mom, Son Forced Into Sex Posted: 7/8/2007 5:19:30 AM
How can it be said that any of these thugs had a "Good Heart" even by their parents. This was a horrific crime and I hope that there is no thought to prosecuting these animals as kids. They committed a crime that even most hardened adult criminals would find horrific. Send them to an adult prison so that they can pay for their horrible crime every day and night for the rest of their lives. That 12 year old child will suffer for the rest of his life with this horrible memory on more than one level. I can't begin to imagine the terror, the guilt, and the anguish that this family must be suffering. Make the animals that did it pay and set an example that this will not be tolerated on any level.

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Msg: 1 (view)

Cops Say Mom, Son Forced Into Sex Posted: 7/8/2007 5:14:02 AM
Cops Say Mom, Son Forced Into Sex By BRIAN SKOLOFF,AP Posted: 2007-07-07 03:05:28 Filed Under: Crime News, Nation WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (July 7) - Two teenagers were accused of gang raping a woman and forcing her 12-year-old son to join in the attack, then beating him and pouring cleaning solution into his eyes. Authorities allege Avion Lawson, 14, and Nathan Walker, 16, were among a group of about 10 masked suspects who forced their way into the woman's apartment in a crime-ridden housing project the night of June 18. The two were being held without bail Friday on suspicion of armed sexual battery by multiple perpetrators, sexual performance by a child, armed home invasion and aggravated battery. Both were arrested this week, but formal charges had not been filed. Authorities said the two would be charged as adults. "Any rape case is horrible but this takes it to another level, something you can't think of even in your worst dreams," police spokesman Ted White said. According to the police report, a man knocked on the woman's door at about 9 p.m. and told her he had a flat tire. The mother and son, whom police have not identified, went outside and were ambushed by a group of gun-wielding suspects. The victims told police they were forced back into their home and beaten and sexually assaulted. According to authorities, the men raped, sodomized and beat the woman, then forced her son to participate in the assault at gunpoint, making him have sex with his mother in front of them. The boy was then beaten and had numerous household cleaning liquids poured into his eyes, according to the police report. The suspects also stole a few hundred dollars worth of cash and jewelry, White said. White said more arrests were expected, but he would not say whether authorities had identified additional suspects. The teens in custody were not cooperating, but Lawson confessed to taking part in the attack, White said. Walker has denied involvement, White said. DNA evidence in a condom found in the victims' home linked Lawson to the crime, police said. Investigators also say they found a palm print belonging to Walker at the scene. The victims did not suffer life-threatening injuries and have been released from the hospital, White said. "They're going through the county victim services for counseling," he said. Lawson lived in Dunbar Village, the hardscrabble project where the attack occurred. Walker was apparently visiting a friend there, White said. Authorities believe the suspects all knew each other from the neighborhood, but they don't think they knew the victims directly. Prosecutors have 21 days from the time a suspect is arrested to formally file charges. Lawson was arrested Tuesday. Walker was arrested Thursday. Walker made a first court appearance on Friday, after which his father, also named Nathan Walker, spoke briefly. "My son has a good heart," the elder Walker said outside court. "I can't believe my son would do something like this. I don't teach my son violence so I don't understand." Walker's attorney, Robert Gershman, said Friday he intended to enter a not guilty plea on behalf of his client once charges are formally filed. He would not comment further. A telephone message left at the office of Lawson's public defender was not immediately returned. Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL. 2007-07-06 2128

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Msg: 38 (view)

Murphree TX exonerated every guy caught by CATCH A PREDATOR Posted: 7/1/2007 11:28:42 AM
I agree, once you find out that someone you are chatting to is underage, a normal person would end the conversation.

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Msg: 258 (view)

Michel Moore's New Film Sicko Posted: 6/30/2007 5:23:19 AM
When I read some of the comments, both from people who say that people needing help are begging from the government and from those who associate Michael Moore being an Ass with a reason to discount the message of the broken healthcare industry, I am reminded by another message that was powerful but lost because of the association of the message to the person who delivered the message. It is the best political speech I ever heard and I am a Republican, I wish that we had listened to that message in 1988 because it may have given us a headstart in fixing some of our current issues. Transcript of RealAudio Excerpt Jessie Jacksons Speech at the 1988 Democratic national Convention -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Common ground. America is not a blanket woven from one thread, one color, one cloth. When I was a child growing up in Greenville, South Carolina my grandmama could not afford a blanket, she didn't complain and we did not freeze. Instead she took pieces of old cloth - patches, wool, silk, gabardine, crockersack - only patches, barely good enough to wipe off your shoes with. But they didn't stay that way very long. With sturdy hands and a strong cord, she sewed them together into a quilt, a thing of beauty and power and culture. Now, Democrats, we must build such a quilt. Farmers, you seek fair prices and you are right - but you cannot stand alone. Your patch is not big enough. Workers, you fight for fair wages, you are right - but your patch of labor is not big enough. Women, you seek comparable worth and pay equity, you are right - but your patch is not big enough. (Applause) Women, mothers, who seek Head Start, and day care and prenatal care on the front side of life, relevant jail care and welfare on the back side of life - you are right - but your patch is not big enough. Students, you seek scholarships, you are right - but your patch is not big enough. Blacks and Hispanics, when we fight for civil rights, we are right - but our patch is not big enough. Gays and lesbians, when you fight against discrimination and a cure for AIDS, you are right - but your patch is not big enough. Conservatives and progressives, when you fight for what you believe, right wing, left wing, hawk, dove, you are right from your point of view, but your point of view is not enough. But don't despair. Be as wise as my grandmama. Pull the patches and the pieces together, bound by a common thread. When we form a great quilt of unity and common ground, we'll have the power to bring about health care and housing and jobs and education and hope to our Nation. (Standing ovation) We, the people, can win! Most poor people are not lazy. They are not black. They are not brown. They are mostly White and female and young. But whether White, Black or Brown, a hungry baby's belly turned inside out is the same color-- color it pain, color it hurt, color it agony. Most poor people are not on welfare. Some of them are illiterate and can't read the want-ad sections. And when they can, they can't find a job that matches the address. They work hard everyday. I know, I live amongst them. They catch the early bus. They work every day. They raise other people's children. They work everyday. They clean the streets. They work everyday. They drive dangerous cabs. They change the beds you slept in in these hotels last night and can't get a union contract. They work everyday. (Applause) No, no, they're not lazy. Someone must defend them because it's right and they cannot speak for themselves. They work in hospitals. I know they do. They wipe the bodies of those who are sick with fever and pain. They empty their bedpans. They clean out their commodes. No job is beneath them, and yet when they get sick they cannot lie in the bed they made up every day. America, that is not right (Applause) We are a better Nation than that! (Applause) I'm often asked, "Jesse, why do you take on these tough issues? They're not very political. We can't win that way." If an issue is morally right, it will eventually be political. It may be political and never be right. Fanny Lou Hamer didn't have the most votes in Atlantic City, but her principles have outlasted the life of every delegate who voted to lock her out. Rosa Parks did not have the most votes, but she was morally right. Dr. King didn't have the most votes about the Vietnam War, but he was morally right. If we are principled first, our politics will fall in place. "Jesse, why do you take these big bold initiatives?" A poem by an unknown author went something like this: "We mastered the air, we conquered the sea, annihilated distance and prolonged life, but we're not wise enough to live on this earth without war and without hate." As for Jesse Jackson: "I'm tired of sailing my little boat, far inside the harbor bar. I want to go out where the big ships float, out on the deep where the great ones are. And should my frail craft prove too slight for waves that sweep those billows o'er, I'd rather go down in the stirring fight than drowse to death at the sheltered shore." We've got to go out, my friends, where the big boats are. (Applause) And then for our children. Young America, hold your head high now. We can win. We must not lose to the drugs, and violence, premature pregnancy, suicide, cynicism, pessimism and despair. We can win. Wherever you are tonight, now I challenge you to hope and to dream. Don't submerge your dreams. Exercise above all else, even on drugs, dream of the day you are drug free. Even in the gutter, dream of the day that you will be up on your feet again. You must never stop dreaming. Face reality, yes, but don't stop with the way things are. Dream of things as they ought to be. Dream. Face pain, but love, hope, faith and dreams will help you rise above the pain. Use hope and imagination as weapons of survival and progress, but you keep on dreaming, young America. Dream of peace. Peace is rational and reasonable. War is irrational in this age, and unwinnable. Dream of teachers who teach for life and not for a living. Dream of doctors who are concerned more about public health than private wealth. Dream of lawyers more concerned about justice than a judgeship. Dream of preachers who are concerned more about prophecy than profiteering. Dream on the high road with sound values. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/jesse/speeches/jesse88.html

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Msg: 257 (view)

Michel Moore's New Film Sicko Posted: 6/30/2007 5:00:05 AM
By the way, most of our providers, that is Drs and Specialists, are paid the same pay as any other Military Officer of their Pay Grade with a specialty bonus ranging from ten to thirty thousand a year depending on the specialty. A previous poster pointed out that only 10 percent of current medical students plans to practice "general medicine" because of the pay disparity between specialists and general medical providers; in the military you are going to "do your time" as a general medical officer for a few years before you are allowed to pick a specialty. The main way that we get these Drs in the military is by paying for their medical school and then requiring them to "pay back time" in the military for the cost of their education and training. If they take a Residency Program (specialty) while in the military they again incur an additional payback time in military service. One sad part is that many, not all, of these Drs are lured out of the service after completing their required obligation because they can triple their saleries in the private sector, even though they are living comfortably and enjoy the work that they are doing. I have to ask myself if military healthcare providers can live comfortably and enjoy the work while in the military healthcare system why do civilian doctors need a salary that is triple what a military provider makes? The answer to that is alot of the "overhead cost" associated with healthcare. Nationalize the healthcare system, similar to the military system, and you would eliminate alot of the overhead cost associated with healthcare, as well as, the cost that redundancy creates. I have known civilian Doctors that join the Navy after years in private practice because they want to enjoy the practice of medicine and not be forced to see patients every 15 minutes to keep up with HMO regulations or because they are struggling under the cost of malpractice insurance. Ask any Dr that was once a military healthcare provider and, if they are honest, most will still tell you that the military system was a better system for the patient. It may not be as simple as it seems and there would be hicups and stumbling blocks along the way but it can be done and needs to be done. Perhaps my "Public" Health background is skewing me toward believing that healthcare should be about serving the public and the patient; almost 40 million people with no access to healthcare in this country hardly seems like we are serving either the public intrest or patients.

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Msg: 256 (view)

Michel Moore's New Film Sicko Posted: 6/30/2007 4:32:03 AM
I have a Masters Degree in Public Health and a B.S. in Healthcare Mgt; however, I am part of the military healthcare system and have been for 26 years. A national healthcare system could be based on the military model, it is kind of ironic to me that most of the technicians and even the first line of medical service in the military are trained in military schools in a fraction of the time civilian classes take. Those technicians i.e. x-ray techs, pharmacy, O.R, and even the Navy Independent Duty Corpsman, who see patients independent of a Medical Officer, are compareable and often superior to their civilian counterparts because they have multiple skill sets rather than just one.

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Msg: 113 (view)

Have you ever fallen victim to a forum player??? Posted: 6/25/2007 5:07:37 PM
Thats an interesting viewpoint Nick. I never really thought of it in those terms. A "player" probably depends on who is reading the post and their point of view.... what is acceptable behavior to some readers is totally inappropriate to another... Take this thread for example; the origonal poster seems to have the support of the first few responders and share a common thought process... along comes Thorn and puts a diffrent spin on the origonal posters comments and all of a sudden we question the motives of the threads origin...lol But hell, that is what makes reading the forums fun; seeing opposing views and saying hmmmmmmmm. ...LOL

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Msg: 112 (view)

Have you ever fallen victim to a forum Player?? Posted: 6/25/2007 4:58:41 PM
Maybe, that is the best part Sweet? Posting that first initial gut feeling and then not being able to change it. How many times in real life have you wished you could say the first thing that came to mind and consequences be dammed?

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Msg: 111 (view)

Have you ever fallen victim to a forum Player?? Posted: 6/25/2007 4:56:06 PM
Thats why you have to keep singing that old Ricky Nelson song, Garden Party, when posting.... you know the line " Well it's all right now, I've learned my lesson well, see you can't please everyone so you've got to please yourself. " Works everytime..lol

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Msg: 36 (view)

SCOTLAND Posted: 6/24/2007 3:15:54 PM
The Train is very scenic.... I loved it.

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Msg: 15 (view)

What have you found that you wern't supposed to? Posted: 6/24/2007 12:52:24 PM
I was staying with freinds a few years back, a married couple, and was playing with the remote to the TV and hit the play button on the VCR, up pops the female friend in a compromising position with my friend at one end and someone else on the other end... I didn't know whether to laugh or be shocked at the look on her face when she popped up on the screen.....lol

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Msg: 142 (view)

A view of the American Empire in decline Posted: 6/24/2007 6:49:42 AM
This post looks to have died out... kinda sad I was enjoying reading the views. It was one of the more intelligent back and forth forums that I saw.

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Msg: 167 (view)

If a woman has a few scars..does it make you look at them different Posted: 6/24/2007 6:46:56 AM
A very nice story to share there sweetness. Always nice to see that human kindness is not dead and gone.

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Msg: 179 (view)

Blind folds during sex. Posted: 6/23/2007 11:31:11 AM
Na peresphone, I had sex in a church during the sermon and I am still here, I suspect that god gave us these sexual urges to enjoy and share intimacies with each other instead of the notion that they are bad....lol

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Msg: 49 (view)

Have you ever fallen victim to a forum Player?? Posted: 6/20/2007 6:03:21 PM
I am not really sure what a forum Player would be. I have found that I like this site becuase of the forums and getting diffrent points of view. Alot of times I will pull up the profile of a poster that posted something that I either enjoyed reading or that floored me and i kind of thing that many times a posters profile makes it clearer where they are coming from point of view wise.

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Msg: 162 (view)

If a woman has a few scars..does it make you look at them different Posted: 6/18/2007 6:21:05 PM
Shimmer, You are a gorgoues woman and I don't think that anybody should have any issues with scars where you are concerned. I would imagine that most guys would or at least should feel lucky to be with you.

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Msg: 67 (view)

How do you feel about Interracial Dating ? Posted: 6/18/2007 3:45:59 PM
nik, that seems a little bit of a put down. Good enough to f*ck, but not good enough to date?

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Msg: 27 (view)

Who cheats more, men or women? Posted: 6/17/2007 2:32:15 PM
I think the poster who pointed out that women are catching up to men as they become more financially independent is correct. I rather think that it is probably about equal and that people have reasons for affairs that are their own. I think it is really hard to judge others unless you have walked in their shoes and it doesn't make one a good person or a bad person.

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Msg: 370 (view)

Why do men do the diappearing act? Posted: 6/16/2007 5:48:15 AM
juzlookin did you ever find out what a bunnyboiler is?..lol

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Msg: 12 (view)

the americanization of australia Posted: 6/13/2007 3:51:15 AM
There has to be someplace that we can sell American goods. You can't buy anything in the United States that isn't made in China or Japan anymore. People that are worried about U.S. expansion should stop imagining things and take a real hard look at China economic expansion policies, the U.S. is on the decline and China is the rising power. The new Chinese doctrine for War is that if they strike 1st at the U.S. and cause enough casualties then the U.S. aversion to loss of life will make the American people demand that the Gov't make Peace. I have never heard anything about "taking over" Australia but I thought from the information put out during the Olympics that White Western Culture was the minority population in Australia now?

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Msg: 21 (view)

How do u tell if ur attracted to girls or guys??? Posted: 5/31/2007 12:09:53 PM
Hula, You just broke a bunch of Lesbian Hearts everywhere...lol

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Msg: 101 (view)

bring our troops home Posted: 5/25/2007 12:34:22 PM
Robbyg.... before you get on your high horse and call me a war lover or something let me say that I am Active Duty Military and have been to Iraq several times... I also want an end to the war and so does just about everyone that I serve with. Let me tell you though that I am White, a part of the Middle Class, and have TWO Masters Degrees, 87% of the troops serving in IRAQ are not BLACK. We are more diverse than society as a whole and just as well educated as the general work force. Stating false facts to back up your argument takes strength away from it and I don't care if you read those statistics somewhere else. People need to stop pretending that we in the military are some sort of poor, uneducated masses. We are a highly educated force; educated enough to know that while we are fighting and dieing the vast majority of the American public doesn't really give a shit beyond typing lip service on blogs. If you want the Troops home then organise and VOTE... then force the politicians to bring us home. The vote in November put control of the Congress with the Democrats, the ones who ran on opposition to the war. What have they done to bring ONE single soldier, sailor, or airman home? Oh thats right, we surged another 20,000 + combat troops and in excess of 100 Soldiers perish every single month.

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Msg: 88 (view)

What is your favorite travel destination? Posted: 5/24/2007 5:20:36 PM
Hong Kong is my Favorite Place to visit.

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