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miss music

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Keeping e-mails Posted: 7/9/2008 11:07:25 AM
I hate losing my e-mails from POF. I need them to remember what was discussed in previous conversations. It just helps conversations flow better. (Not to mention avoiding the embarrassment of asking a question that the gent already answered two months ago!) I would LOVE a feature that would forward all e-mails from POF to my email account so that I can re-read at my leisure. Please. PLEASE! PRETTY PLEASE!!! Thanks. What do the rest of you think?

miss music

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Why do football fans celebrate pagan rituals? Posted: 3/20/2006 10:32:47 AM
I suppose this could have gone in the humour or sports section...but since this is a question commonly asked here (people accusing others of stealing their rituals and traditions), I thought you'd get a kick out of it. Sorry, I don't know who originally wrote it. It just came to my inbox. =========================== Obviously, Football is a syndrome of religious rites symbolizing the struggle to preserve the Egg of Life through the rigors of impending winter. The rites begin at the Autumn Equinox and culminate on the first day of the New Year, with great festivals identified with bowls of plenty. The festivals are associated with flowers such as roses; fruits such as oranges; farm crops such as cotton; and even sun-worship and appeasement of great reptiles such as alligators. In these rites, the Egg of Life is symbolized by what is called "The Oval", an inflated bladder covered with hog skin. The convention of "The Oval" is repeated in the architectural oval-shaped design of the vast outdoor churches in which the services are held every sabbath in every town and city. Also every Sunday in the greater centers of population where an advanced priesthood performs. These enormous churches dominate every college campus; no other edifice compares in size with them, and they bear witness to the high spiritual development of the culture that produced them. Literally millions of worshipers attend the sabbath services in these open-air churches. Subconsciously, these hordes are seeking an outlet from sexual frustration in anticipation of violent masochism and sadism about to be enacted by a highly trained priesthood of young men. Football obviously arises out of the Oedipus complex. Love of mother dominates the entire ritual. (Notre Dame and Football are synonymous). The rites are preformed on a green rectangular area orientated to the four directions. The green area, symbolizing Summer, is striped with ominous white lines representing the knifing snows of Winter. The white stripes are repeated in the ceremonial costumes of the four whistling monitors who control the services through a time period divided into four quarters, symbolizing the four Seasons. The ceremony begins with colorful processions of musicians and semi-nude virgins who move in and out of ritualized patterns. This excites the thousands of worshipers to rise from their seats, shout frenzied poetry in unison and chant ecstatic anthems through which runs the Oedipus theme of willingness to die for the love of mother. The actual rites, performed by 22 young priests of perfect physique, might appear to the uninitiated as a chaotic conflict concerned only with hurting the Oval by kicking it, then endeavoring to rescue and protect the Egg. However, the procedure is highly stylized. On each side there are eleven young men wearing colorful and protective costumes. The group in so-called "possession" of the Oval first arrange themselves in an egg-shaped "huddle," as it is called, for a moment of prayerful meditation and whispering of secret numbers to each other. Then they rearrange themselves with relation to the position of the Egg. In a typical "formation" there are seven priests "on the line," seven being a mystical number associated not, as Jung purists might contend, with the "seven last words" but actually, with sublimation of the "seven deadly sins" into "the seven cardinal principles of education." The central priest crouches over the Egg, protecting it with his hands, while over his back quarters hovers the "Quarterback." The transposition of "back quarters" to "quarterback" is easily explained by the Adler School. To the layman the curious posture assumed by the "Quarterback," as he hovers over the central priest, immediately suggests the Cretan origins of Mycenaean animal art, but this popular view is untenable. Actually, of course, the "quarter-back" symbolizes the libido, combining two instincts, namely, a) Eros, which strives for even closer union, and b) the instinct for destruction of anything which lies in the path of Eros. Moreover, the "pleasure-pain" excitement of the hysterical worshipers focuses entirely on the actions of the libido-quarter-back. Behind him are three priests representing the male triad. At a given signal, the Egg is passed by sleight-of-hand to one of the members of the triad who endeavors to move it by bodily force across the white lines of Winter. This procedure up and down the enclosure, continues through the four quarters of the ritual. At the end of the second quarter, implying the Summer Slostice, the processions of musicians and semi-nude virgins are resumed. After forming themselves into pictograms representing alphabetical and animal fetishes, the virgins perform a most curious rite requiring far more dexterity than the earlier phallic Maypole rituals from which it seems to be derived. Each of the virgins carries a wand of shining metal which she spins on her fingertips, tosses playfully into the air, and with which she interweaves her body in most intricate gyrations. The virgins perform another important function throughout the entire service. This concerns the mystical rite of "conversion" following success of one of the young priests in carrying the Oval across the last white line of Winter. As the moment of "conversion" approaches, the virgins kneel at the edge of the rectangle, bury their faces in the earth, then raise their arms to heaven in supplication, praying that "the uprights will be split." "Conversion" is indeed a dedicated ceremony.

miss music

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Sex vs. Love Posted: 3/8/2006 12:14:14 PM
I would definitely choose love over sex. Just look at the amazing relationship that Christopher and Dana Reeve had. I want someone who would stick by me after a horrific accident that made me a paraplegic. And I'd want to be able to do the same for him. Love comes first and foremost. And the physical intimacy should come naturally after that. If you have to "beg" for it, there is definitely a problem somewhere. Whether it's a physiological thing, a psychological thing, a lack of love, a lack of trust, a lack of intimacy, believing that sex = love, or any of the other things that block sexual expression, something's outta wack. I hope you two can figure out what it is and work your way through this.

miss music

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Games Posted: 12/26/2005 10:31:51 PM
You are talking to the games queen! I'd be so totally interested in a games night. As for which game, how about any of the following: - Taboo - Cranium - Pictionary - Charades - Babble (card game based on Poker) - Speed Whatever the game, I highly recommend playing team-based games or (as in the case of Babble) games with no set turns and lots of interaction.

miss music

Joined: 1/18/2005

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PORN ?? Posted: 12/22/2005 12:27:45 PM
I understand your point that a person is defined by their actions and beliefs. I believe that this system, while the best that we have to work with is highly prone to error. Actions can be misinterpreted. Just think of all the times one person is silent, and the other person think (s)he is stewing over something when in actually, they're just spaced out or something innocuous. And I think it's quite clear from the forums that we don't really know what the other person believes, even when they think they've explained it very clearly. So, I say it is prudent to make the separation. An action may be deemed immoral or evil...but that does not necessarily mean that the person committing that act is immoral or evil. What do I define another person as? A child of God....flawed as we all are, but loved anyways. Back to the issue of porn, as much as I tend to not quote scripture, I do feel that this passage is relevant to these kinds of issues: Romans 14 : 12-14 So (then) each of us shall give an account of himself (to God). Then let us no longer judge one another, but rather resolve never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; still, it is unclean for someone who thinks it unclean. Enough. This dead horse has had it. Enjoy your discussion.

miss music

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SUDOKU! Posted: 12/21/2005 10:38:51 PM
Hey, anyone play Sudoku? A friend introduced me to it and I'm so totally addicted. You can try it out here: http://www.websudoku.com While the puzzles do use numbers, you don't need to be a math whiz to figure it out.

miss music

Joined: 1/18/2005

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A real virgin??? Posted: 12/21/2005 10:08:47 PM
Wildfirefly, what does it matter how many people believe Mary was a virgin. That has nothing to do with whether or not something is true. (If it did, then the world was flat until relatively recently!) As for being a "virgin from Sin", that's a new one. Where do you get that from? If it's not something taught by any of the churches that believe in a Virgin Mary, then I would suggest that none of the churches mean that when they say that Mary is a virgin.

miss music

Joined: 1/18/2005

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need advice Posted: 12/21/2005 9:58:58 PM
Oh man. She's risking a lot driving without a license. I had an aquaintance do the same thing, got caught, oooooh. Very expensive and a HUGE hassle. He would have been better off using the bus until he could afford insurance. And in that situation, there was no DUI or kids to worry about. I would suggest that telling her to smarten up is probably not a winning strategy. I guess from your post that you haven't had much success. Time to change strategy. I kinda like the idea of flattening the tires...I certainly like an idea that doesn't get her in trouble with the law...but I am cautious about taking the law into my own hands. How about getting friends and neighbours to volunteer to help out ferrying the kids too and fro until she gets her license back. No risk of breaking the law in this option. Might I suggest backtracking and talking more about how precious her children are and how precious her driving record is and how much we all want to give our children everything and how much we want to be great parents. Be on her side. Support her efforts to be a great parent. Make her feel like she IS in control and she IS a wonderful parent and CAN be proud of herself. I betcha that would get a much warmer response than just telling her she's an idiot and should pull up her socks etc. etc. Good luck to you and I hope things work out for the best for that family.

miss music

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OK Lady's what do you expect from a first email? Posted: 12/21/2005 9:25:52 PM
I think most guys would benefit if they approached their dating in a similar fashion as they approach shopping. When you guys are shopping, you know what you want, you know where to find it, you know how much you're willing to pay, and that's that. If like bomber jackets better than everything else, you're going to go looking for a bomber jacket. You're not going to try on EVERY jacket in the store because they might be a fantastic jacket. You're going to focus on bomber jackets. And you don't go and buy mits instead and then complain for the rest of your life that the mits don't keep your body warm like the bomber jacket! So, notregme, you say that your lady "will have to be what im looking for". Sounds like you won't be satisfied with anything else. So, if you want to be happy, Focus on being the kind of man who would attract that kind of woman. I'm obviously not who you're looking for, the kind of first email I'd like to receive shouldn't matter in the least to you!

miss music

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Splitting up - Can it ever be amicable? Posted: 12/21/2005 1:04:38 PM
Hmm, emotions running high, trust is gone...kinda difficult to be amicable. A really good mediator (NOT LAWYER) could help.

miss music

Joined: 1/18/2005

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Supposedly Reformed Cheaters ... Posted: 12/21/2005 1:02:57 PM
Well, I'd say he has to prove it. Your past behaviour shows what you think is OK behaviour. If the guy thinks that it's the other girl's fault that he cheated, then he'll blame his current girl when he cheats again. He obviously doesn't take responsibility for his behaviour. I mean, if my banker told me that he's embezzeled lots of money from other account holders but has never embezzeled from me...I don't think I'd trust him on his say-so!

miss music

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OK Lady's what do you expect from a first email? Posted: 12/21/2005 12:44:44 PM
Who cares what ladies in general expect from the first email. What's the point in attracting women who you don't find attractive? That's the fast track to getting a lot of horrible dates! My advice, first, figure out who you are and show that (or at least give a preview) in that first email. No bait-and-switch! The one who's attracted to that will be attracted to YOU! And you won't have to put on an act for the rest of your life.

miss music

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Pressured by the new date at Xmas time Posted: 12/21/2005 12:39:55 PM
Depends what you mean by pressure. Everyone has their own hopes and dreams. Everyone has the right to voice those dreams and try to make them happen...within bounds of legality, maturity, and courtesy. I don't think I'm pressured when my boyfriend tells me what he'd like to do. But then again, most of my boyfriends have been mature enough to discuss differences of opinion and try to meet MY dreams at the same time as we meet HIS.

miss music

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PORN ?? Posted: 12/21/2005 12:21:47 PM
I understand that in this society, it's hard to understand why I'd name your actions but not label the person. This society (and the media especially) do it all the time. That does not mean it's right. Let me ask you this: How many of you appreciate being labeled? How many of you think it's right for someone to call you a lier, a cheat, a slut, a thief, or whatever? I don't think it's right to label a person. Many of those labels have completely biased and cruel connotations attached to them. Using such labels IS cruel and demeaning. Why would anyone want to do that? Besides, do we label people fairly? Just for one little action, one little mistake, people can get labeled forever. What's the point? How does that help society? Now, please understand, refusing to label a person does NOT mean that we don't judge the actions. A number of you have misunderstood me on that point. Yes, I do judge people's actions. Any rational being must evaluate to see if someone else's actions will cause harm. And before you jump up and down, remember, you can't have it both ways. You can't rail at me for not making judgements (of people)...and then turn around and rail at me FOR making judgements (of their actions).

miss music

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Head Covering & Dressing Modestly Posted: 12/21/2005 12:05:18 PM
Comin' right back at 'cha.

miss music

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Head Covering & Dressing Modestly Posted: 12/21/2005 11:48:56 AM
Sigh. So many words have been put in my mouth, I could type forever and still not address it all. The following will have to suffice. No, I do not believe that we should live in a theocracy. There is a time and place for religion, for politics, and for legalities. They can and should influence each other, otherwise we'd all be hypocrites and working at cross-purposes. It seems we generally on individual freedom and societal responsibilities and that there are situations when individual freedoms MUST be curtailed. (Ex. Freedom of speech does not give one the right to slander.) We both agree that society has the right and obligation to ensure that freedoms are not abused. Thus, we are both satisfied that there should be laws against slander and penalties for those who do slander others. It seems to me that we agree that for any individual freedom, there is the responsibility to NEVER use that freedom for HARMFUL purposes. Our point of contention seems to be in WHERE to draw the line between individual freedoms and abuse of that freedom. Personally, I'd wash out mouths with soap if they spoke rudely. You'd think that was going too far. You have your opinion. I have mine. Give over. (Please note that I have not had to resort to blaming your belief systems or upbringing or character and am confining my debate to the topic at hand. A rational argument should be able to stand on it's own without such irrelevant distractions.)

miss music

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Morality and Legality Posted: 12/21/2005 11:26:55 AM
So, what's your take on the source of morality? What about the source of legality? How does society decide what is legal? Many on this forum have stated that legality has nothing to do with morality. I'm not sure that is true. Why do we as a society decide that murder is illegal? Why do we say that a person has certain inalienable rights? On what grounds do we decide what behaviour is acceptable and what is punishable in our society? On what grounds does society codify regulations and pentalties to enforce a certain expectations of behaviour on the whole of society?

miss music

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Head Covering & Dressing Modestly Posted: 12/20/2005 9:58:12 PM
Sigh. So, if someone wears clothing I find offensive, I have no right to complain....but if I mention a religion that other people find offensive, they have every right to complain? Is that what you're saying? Secondly, if you have issues with my reasoning, you are free to say so. However, attacking me personally is not part of a useful or credible debate. To learn more about ad hominem attacks: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

miss music

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pagans and other religons in the school system durring the holidays!!!! Posted: 12/20/2005 9:45:17 PM
Thanks for the update. I'm glad to hear it wasn't as horrific as it first appeared and that it seems to have resolved amicably. Thanks, Late. Sounds like we're basically on the same page - that comparative theology is acceptable. You mention the issue of equal representation of all religions. I wonder how many belief systems must be covered in order to protect the school from accusations of being biased or from excluding someone. Time is limited. Resources are limited. There's ALWAYS going to be a few belief systems that are left out and someone's going to cry foul. At what point would society say that it is unreasonable to expect the school to add yet another faith system to the list? Perhaps that should be a separate thread?

miss music

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Finding a Friend is BAD??? Posted: 12/19/2005 10:56:20 PM
I'm quite confused about an opinion I've heard tossed about many times in the forums. It seems that many people think that finding a friend is a bad thing. The men especially seem to think this is a horror to be avoided. Please clarify. I really don't understand. If two people don't have what it takes to make a romantic relationship work, isn't it better to know BEFORE you get all tangled up in a romantic relationship? Wouldn't that save a lot of heart-ache, broken furniture, lawsuits, and single-parent families? The part that really bothers me is the implied belief that women are good for nothing except to help you release sexual energy. There seems to be a belief that there is no value in a female friend. Why is it a bad thing to find a friend in your lifetime?

miss music

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Head Covering (maybe) & Dressing Modestly (YES!) Posted: 12/19/2005 10:48:57 PM
Sure, you can tell a person to just not look....but that's rather like telling someone to not walk into a room that contains someone who is doused in a perfume you're allergic to. By the time you realize it, it's too late. I am absolutely NOT saying that a rape victim is responsible for the actions of the attacker. A person can only be held responsible for their own personal choices/actions/behaviours. What I am saying is that when you know that certain choices interfere with the rights of others, it behooves a mature person to weigh the situation carefully. When do your rights trump other's rights? When to other's rights trump yours? I do not think it is logical to say that your right to dress as you wish should ALWAYS trump other people's rights. Thus, I do not support the position that anyone has the right to dress however the wish and to hell with the rest of the world. Surely, we mature people can come up with a less ego-centric position!

miss music

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pagans and other religons in the school system durring the holidays!!!! Posted: 12/19/2005 10:52:15 AM
A child's religious instruction is between parent and child, at least while the child is a minor. Intruding on this is a breach of trust. Does this mean that any sort of comparative theology module is not acceptable in a secular school system? I hope not. That would leave children vulnerable. If nothing else, they should be taught how to recognize a cult. Society seems to think it right to use a public education system to teach them about sex and about drugs so that they know what is safe and good and won't get hurt (raped, addicted, etc.) Using the same logic, I contend that a basic primer on religions is also prudent. If anyone could fill me in on the religious regulations and their application in practice in the public school system, that would be appreciated. Anyhow, sorry I missed that one thing from the OP that eliminates a couple of the possibilities I presented. However, I do stand by my belief that there are still other possibilities to consider before lynching the teacher. I think in an area as prone to emotional outbursts as religion, we should refrain from jumping to conclusions.

miss music

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do you celebrate christmas - of course! Posted: 12/19/2005 10:36:58 AM
I would say that Christmas is a part of our society...of course, what part it plays depends on what hats you wear. If you are a CEO, it can be the make-it-or-break-it time of year for you. If you work or go to school, it is a day off. If you are Christian, it is a spiritual day. If you are pagan or follow a nature-based religion, it is close to the Winter Solstice. Like all things, what role Christmas plays in your life really depends on who you are. For myself, as a Catholic and someone who believes in family and friends, Christmas is the second most important celebration in my faith and a wonderful time of year to spend with those nearest and dearest to me. I would say though that this is a time of traditions. And we all have our spiritual, personal and family traditions that make the season right for us. Yes, I celebrate Christmas...in my own way. I'm going to midnight mass. I'm preparing spiritually for the season. My manger is up...but Mary, Joseph, the shepherds and the Magi won't be arriving for some time yet. I've got my Christmas dinner planned...not turkey this year. (Just not a big part of Chinese cuisine!) I've got all my Christmas CD's out. (Was listening and humming along while putting up the tree, manger, angel choir, and snowmen display) I'm just waiting for the snow. I'm not too pleased to be just "dreaming of a White Christmas"! Ah, it's wonderful to have something like this to anticipate every year and to share with those closest to me.

miss music

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Head Covering (maybe) & Dressing Modestly (YES!) Posted: 12/19/2005 10:18:36 AM
Personally, I'm not one for headcoverings at mass...but I do think it's beautiful. Perhaps if we all wore some sort of reminder of our beliefs, we wouldn't say one thing and do another quite so often. I am all for modesty. I think there are plenty of wonderful styles I can wear that make it clear that there is a WOMAN inside AND have class. I find it illogical to claim that a woman can display her body as she likes and she has no responsibility whatsoever for whatever lust she incites. That is akin to saying that because a pedestrian has the right of way, she has the right to stroll across the street whenever she feels like it and if it causes a car/driver to get into an accident, that's THEIR problem! More examples? How about the person who exercises his/her right to wear their favourite perfume...but douses him/herself in something you find vile? Or the person who exercises their right to eat lunch in the office...and it just turns your stomach? Or the person who exercises their right to use a cell phone...in the middle of a movie? I don't know about you, but I think I'd be justifiably upset with all five and within my rights to ask them to show some consideration for the people around them. As for whether or not the original poster (and myself, I suppose) are in the minority, I would agree that the media makes it seem that way. But then again, the media also makes it seem like everyone in this country is dying from murder when heart problems are the leading cause of death.

miss music

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pagans and other religons in the school system durring the holidays!!!! Posted: 12/19/2005 10:01:56 AM
I think we have a lot of possibilities to eliminate before we find the teacher guilty of maliciously stamping a Christian belief on the unprotected, maleable minds of our vulnerable children! Perhaps the child read something about Christian beliefs in the library or on-line. Perhaps a classmate (not the teacher) said that Christmas was the birthdate of Jesus. Perhaps the teacher was discussing with another teacher and was overheard. Perhaps a classmate asked whether or not Christmas was the birthdate of Jesus, and the teacher has a Christian background and answered yes without thinking of the consequences because she's got a lot on her mind right now. Perhaps this was part of a little chapter on comparative theology. Perhaps the teacher recently received a really inspirational story and was so full of love and faith and so swept up with the season, she couldn't be a good-little-government-employee and keep up the fiction that she has no beliefs of her own. Anyhow, I'd be interested to hear how this turns out. Do cooler heads prevail? I hear the OP's frustration and understand it. I certainly wouldn't be impressed if a school I chose for my hypothetical children taught something I found objectionable or something that contravened their regulations. In this modern information age, our children are going to be exposed to many different belief systems. This is something we simply have to accept. The best thing we as parents/guardians can do for our children is to arm them with the cognitive skills (reason, logic) required to work it out on their own. We have to prepare them for the day that we aren't there to limit the information they receive and we aren't there to GIVE them the "right" answers. Regarding the rules that Late mentioned, I have concerns regarding their interpretation and implementation. Sometimes, it seems like we are all straight-jacketed, having to keep up a fiction that we have no beliefs of our own for the fear that someone might be offended. Sigh. That's the topic of another thread. (BTW, isn't it "pagans" and not "pegans"? Someone in the know, please correct me if I've got it wrong.)

miss music

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The Catholic Church: Always re-inventing itself? Posted: 12/19/2005 9:13:28 AM
I'm surprized that anyone believes that the Catholic Church would change it's mind every 10 years or so. Usually, the complaint is that Catholics take a long time to change our teachings, not the reverse! The question of the mathematics of three days and the time between Good Friday and Easter Sunday was raised. I've asked the same thing myself when I was a child. Like many, I thought the bible said that Jesus rose from the dead "three days later". Instead, the translation is a phrase uncommon in the English language - "on the third day". Thus, Friday is the first day, Saturday is the second, and Sunday is the third. When one looks at the Jewish roots of Catholicism, it becomes even more clear. I will not repeat the entire text here, but here is the link for any who are interested. http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9903chap.asp (Posted in response to msg 55, quoted below) Growing and learning more from the Bible itself is different than playing around with the words of God and changing verses around. You will see in another ten years or so, you willl be celebrating "Good Wednesday" instead of "Good Friday" as arithmetic of the Bible doesn't add up to three days and three nights.

miss music

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Narnia - Publisher messed up the order Posted: 12/17/2005 1:59:16 AM
First, I loved the books and recently re-read them so that I could discuss them with some of the neighbourhood kids who were reading them in school. Second, I thought the producers did an excellent job moving the story from book to film. It was fantastic. I loved the voice for Aslan. One (minor) complaint I have is that the witches sled was not nearly as ornate as I envisioned it to be. Nor was the addictive quality of the White Witch's food and drink made clear. But when the acting is so good and the CGI is so seamless and the story so well told, I can easily forgive! Finally, the modern publishers are numbering the books incorrectly. I understand they are trying to publish according to the sequence of events in the story. However, I still believe the series should be read in the sequence as originally published. The order in which things are revealed to you makes more sense. Simply put, "The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" MUST be the first book. The original sequence is: 1 - The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe (incorrectly labeled #2) 2 - Prince Caspian (incorrectly labeled #4) 3 - Voyage of the Dawn Trader (incorrectly labeled #5) 4 - The Silver Chair (incorrectly labeled #6) 5 - The Horse and His Boy (incorrectly labeled #3) 6 - The Magician's Nephew (incorrectly labeled #1) 7 - The Last Battle (ok, they got ONE right)

miss music

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Solutions that delight BOTH parties! Posted: 12/17/2005 1:19:15 AM
Two mature people will never "compromise". Usually, when two people compromise, they come up with a solution that is half-way between the two. So, if one person wants a vacation in the Rocky Mountains and another wants a vacation on the beach at Mexico, they make a silly compromise and fly to someplace in between. Thus, both people are equally unhappy. Not exactly the best solution. Another common solution is to say that on even years, we go to the beach and on odd years, we go to the mountains. In this situation, every year, one person is happy and one person is not. Again, not a very workable solution. I'm looking for someone can match me in finding creative solutions that meet BOTH our needs and ensure that BOTH of us are happy. I'm curious to know if there is anyone out there who knows what I'm talking about or is willing to learn.

miss music

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PORN ??...lemmings and morality Posted: 12/17/2005 1:13:13 AM
Brain-in-a-vat, I am not on-line 24-7 and I have many other committments which I deem more important. It is up to you to decide how you wish to interpret my erratic posting schedule. Since you seem so anxious for a response to your post, I'll provide one. Essentially, your comment that the bible does not equal morality was a non-sequitor. It does nothing to refute my point that just because "everyone" does X, we can NOT logically conclude that X is moral. My statement stands. If you can refute anything on the webpage I provided (http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-common-practice.html), please do so. As for this new idea that you introduced, I'm not sure it makes sense. The bible is a book. There are many writing styles in it from poetic to prosaic to prophetic. It would be difficult to equate this object with morality. Anyhow, for Catholics, our beliefs and "code of conduct" is in our Catechism. Feel free to peruse it at your leisure: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/ccc_toc.htm I would say that our concept of morality is contained there. To Sweettreat, you seem to hold the commonly held belief that a Catholic would find a PERSON immoral and look down on them etc. While that is HUMAN NATURE, the Catholic teaching is that we are to love the sinner while we combat the sin. I may call your beliefs immoral, I may call your actions immoral, but I would never call YOU immoral. I know many people find this difficult to believe. It shatters their prejudices about Catholics. If you believe it, great! We can communicate better. If not, well, we Catholics do call ourselves a people of hope. There's always tomorrow! Anyhow, is there a thread on morality? Perhaps we can port this discussion there.

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Msg: 126 (view)

7th day sabbath and Sunday worship Posted: 12/17/2005 12:49:47 AM
I googled "Sunday blue laws" as Funn1 suggested. I found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_law Interesting. Doesn't have much to do with whether or not Sunday can count as the 7th day of the week, the day of rest that God speaks of in the bible. It talks more about such laws being supported by Christian churches as a way to help their faithful attend mass on a day that their church deemed holy.

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Msg: 91 (view)

The Catholic Conspiracy...Oh really? Posted: 12/17/2005 12:39:21 AM
So, what is this Catholic conspiracy? A conspiracy of who? To do what? For what purpose? By when? How? Actually, that might be asking you too much. How about just answering what the objective of this supposed conspiracy is.

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Msg: 52 (view)

The Catholic Church: Always re-inventing itself? Posted: 12/17/2005 12:33:02 AM
I am surprized that some people are distressed that the Catholics are constantly growing in their faith. Surely, we would expect an enlightened church to always re-evaluate their beliefs based as new information comes to light. Surely, we would applaud a church that does this. Wouldn't we? Interesting how we have a thread that essentially blasts the Catholic Church for refining their beliefs...and we have threads that blast the Church for not changing any beliefs. Is it just me or are we a little schizophrenic in our arguments?

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Msg: 170 (view)

PORN ?? Posted: 12/15/2005 12:30:11 PM
Ah. Confusing common practice with morality. A common error in logic. http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-common-practice.html

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Msg: 103 (view)

7th day sabbath and Sunday worship Posted: 12/15/2005 12:28:46 PM
Steve&Kara, where is it said that everyone who doesn't worship on Sunday will die? I have never heard that before.

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Msg: 284 (view)

Why do Pagans believe they are the root of everything? Posted: 12/15/2005 12:09:20 PM
One thing I said early on in this thread, I simply must repeat...albeit in a more concise format: "post hoc, ergo propter hoc" http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/post-hoc.html Some Pagans seem to believe that their beliefs are the root of all others. Actually, some people of all faiths believe this kind of thing about their own faith. Naturally, mere belief does not make it true.

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Msg: 100 (view)

7th day sabbath and Sunday worship Posted: 12/15/2005 12:06:09 PM
Steve&Kara, actually, the part in the math that said "1 is Sunday, 2 is Monday" is simply a mathematical preface to the calculations. It's a way to convert a date into a number. Thus, if you solve the equation and get X=5, then you know that the answer is Thursday. You could easily have set up the equations so that 1=Wednesday. Thus, if X=5, you'd know the answer was Sunday. Thus, that mathematical exercise has nothing to do with any teaching about which day is the 7th day of the week. Do you truly believe that having a different day of worship is alienating? What's your proof? You state that anti-semitism is one of the main reasons why Sabbath worship was changed to Sunday worship. So far, there has been no evidence of this. One early poster told us when the date was changed. I posted from the Catholic Catechism about why it was changed. Had everything to do with the resurrection of Jesus and nothing to do with the Jewish faith. If your question is about anti-semitism, perhaps we should start a new thread.

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Msg: 95 (view)

7th day sabbath and Sunday worship Posted: 12/14/2005 12:02:04 PM
Steve&Kara, thank you for your interesting post in message 80 about how to determine which day of the week any given date is. The information makes it possible for me to take any date (like January 27, 1879) and figure out whether it is a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, etc. (Just as idiot savants do) Fascinating as this may be, it does not answer my question as to which day of the week is the seventh day mentioned in the bible. Perhaps the bible, as other people have mentioned in this thread, was only stating that out of every seven days, one of them must be kept holy, and it didn't matter which one. Of course, from a logistical and sociological point of view, it makes the most sense for everyone to agree on a day of the week. Society is held together by such commonly held ideas. In any case, is anyone really offended that Christians generally choose Sunday as their holy day and Jews choose Saturday? Is this a problem? Or are we merely engaging in a diverting and interesting exercise of logic and conjecture? I hope it's the latter.

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Msg: 159 (view)

PORN ?? Posted: 12/14/2005 11:43:55 AM
Bright1Raziel comments in message 108 that the porn industry is just like any other industry, no better, no worse. Again, I repeat that even if it were true, that does not make it's actions morally justified. (If everyone murdered their parents, would it be OK for you to do so?) "Everyone does this" does not mean it is right. (Have I hit this dead horse enough times yet?) Secondly, I question the statement that all industries are equally moral. For instance, cigarette companies are deliberately marketing a known addictive carcinogen and have spent years and millions to try to prove that it's harmless. That isn't on the same moral ground as the producer of organic tomatoes. Finally, has anyone ever examined the implied messages in these porn films? They make one-night stands common place. They state that as long as the girl is hot, it's ok to just jump her. They state that looks matter more than any thing else. In fact, nothing else matters. They show that women are nothing more than animated aids to personal pleasure and orgasm. Even worse, they seem to imply that women get off from just seeing a man's equipment. Sorry guys. Handsome as some of you are, you're not THAT handsome! Maybe you guys are attracted to this material because you like the idea of women just lusting after your bodies without you having to lift a finger to be a lust-worthy object. Is that it?

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Msg: 105 (view)

PORN ?? - a willing buyer does not mean it is moral Posted: 12/11/2005 9:13:42 PM
Bright1Raziel, in post #40, you imply that so long as business is meeting a demand in the market place, it is right and moral to sell that product. I assume you are using this to claim that the porn industry is not doing anything wrong and that porn is a good thing. That line of reasoning is not very convincing. There are markets for all sorts of things that are bad for us. Crack and crystal meth, sawed off shotguns, white-sticks-of-death (aka cigarettes...the topic for another thread). There are even markets for flim-flam medicines that harm instead of heal (and turn a tidy profit for the con artists) Just because someone is willing to buy a product does NOT mean that it is moral to produce, sell, or use that product. I am not convinced that porn is good, clean, wholesome, honest fun/entertainment.

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Msg: 76 (view)

7th day sabbath and Sunday worship Posted: 12/11/2005 9:02:34 PM
Does it really matter if we worship on Sabbath of Sunday? Why is one or the other the 7th day? If I decide to call Sunday the first day of the week, then the Sabbath is the 7th. If I decide to call Monday the first day of the week, then Sunday is the 7th. (Is it written any where which day of the week is the 1st?)

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Msg: 10 (view)

Are people always on the lookout for the bigger better deal? Posted: 12/7/2005 11:19:25 AM
It depends on their personality. Some will and some won't. If they don't know exactly what they want but are looking for the "best" for them and will not "settle" for anything less, then yes, they will always be looking and never satisfied. If, however, they truly understand themselves and relationships and know exactly what they truly need to be happy and satisfied, they will stop looking as soon as they've found it and they WILL be happy and satisfied. That's my opinion/observation.

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Msg: 6 (view)

Does Pope Benedict Play Favourites? Posted: 12/7/2005 11:14:35 AM
Robert, I know it sounds like something from the Onion, but, as my reference at the beginning says, it came from here: http://maureenmartinblog.blogspot.com/ It's the Tues, Nov 29, 2005 blog. SFL - I thought it was a riot also. Especially the part about the lapsed whatever with ADD. Count - such cynicism! Well, on my bad days, I'd totally agree with you. Rayl - Maybe you should ask your question about Catholic women in a new thread. (Or has that one already been covered?)

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Msg: 57 (view)

7th day sabbath and Sunday worship Posted: 12/7/2005 10:54:43 AM
sister_wife, you mention that Kara believes that Yahshua was the Messiah. Who is Yahshua? (Remember, I'm not familiar with the Jewish faith in any detail) Is this their name for Jesus? Could any Jewish people in this forum please clarify one thing for me: As I recall, the Sabbath doesn't start until sunset on Saturday and lasts until Sunset on Sunday. Is that correct? I think that information could make a difference in this discussion! Finally, Funn1, the Catholic Church believes that the bible does not explicitly contain ALL truths. As I said in my post, (and I'll repeat here for your sake) the Catholic church teaches that Sunday must be kept holy because it is the day that Jesus rose from the dead. Since this is the cornerstone of our beliefs, since there would be no Christianity without this event, it is the SUNDAY that is our holiest of days. This is the Catholic teaching. That is what it is based on. Sunday worship, for the Catholic church, is not based on some line of scripture where Jesus said "Oh, by the way, forget the Sabbath thing. I want you to go to church on Sundays". And yes, I read your post. Both times. It only explains WHEN the Catholic church decided to change from Saturday to Sunday. I'm explaining WHY. Two different things and neither contradicts the other so I don't see your difficulty. A question for all you bible scholars. Does it say in both the Old Testament AND the New Testament that we must keep the Sabbath holy? If it's only in the Old Testament, then it might not be a part of the new covanent God made with us. (I'm just thinking of Jesus' statement that he came to make a new covanent with us. Thus, some things said in the Old Testament would be pitched out the window.)

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Msg: 34 (view)

Couple charged with allowing child to die Posted: 12/6/2005 9:17:46 AM
I do agree that it is illogical to believe that prayer should be used in place of medical treatment. It is like saying that one should pray for intelligence instead of studying! It is like saying that one should pray for lunch instead of getting up and making some! Illogical. I'm also amazed at the inconsistent attitude society has towards the value of a baby's life. Here we have a situation where a couple is charged with "allowing" their child to die. In the meantime, people who murder their children get away with it completely. I'm talking about people who strangle their baby before the umbilical cord is cut or who vacuume out the brains when only the head has emerged from the birth canal. This is totally legal in places where "partial-birth abortions" are allowed. In both cases, some judge has determined that since the baby has not completely left the mother's body or is still in some-way attached, it is not a person and does not even have the basic right to life. (Story about the partial-birth abortion) http://illinoisleader.com/columnists/columnistsview.asp?c=8744 I think all these cases show that society has a long way to go in figuring out the value of life and the proper role of doctors during pregnancy and birth. Sigh. Perhaps I should start a new thread on that topic.

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Msg: 37 (view)

PORN ?? Posted: 12/6/2005 9:00:50 AM
Actually, industry now creates markets and convinces us to buy what we don't need, what we don't want, and what we won't use. Industry's main goal is to make money, not to serve the people. (laughable thought) Around the world, marketing people are rewarded for their ability to convince people to spend, spend, spend. Just look at Alkaseltzer. In one move, they managed to almost double their sales. How? Through their "plop, plop, fizz, fizz" commercial. They convinced us we needed two tablets, not just one. They got patted on the back for making us spend more, not for serving an existing market. Look at phone companies that are busy convincing you that you need one cell phone for everyone in your family, even the kids, and better hook up TV to the phone! Who needs that junk? In that respect, I'm sure the porn industry is like any other.

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Msg: 20 (view)

7th day sabbath and Sunday worship Posted: 12/6/2005 8:43:07 AM
According to the Catholic Church, Christians should keep Sunday holy because we believe in the risen Jesus Christ. This day, the Lord's Day, the day that Jesus rose from the dead, represents for us the fulfillment of the promises of the Old Testament. The Jewish people do not believe the promises of the Old Testament have been fulfilled. They do not believe Jesus Christ is the awaited saviour. They are still waiting and thus will continue to worship on the Sabbath. You can find it in the Catechism here in clause 2175: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c1a3.htm#2175

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Msg: 39 (view)

Mental Illness and Christianity Posted: 12/6/2005 8:15:52 AM
Mental institutions are full of prophets. And, by your reasoning, this means???

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Msg: 1 (view)

Does Pope Benedict Play Favourites? Posted: 12/5/2005 11:32:36 PM
from http://maureenmartinblog.blogspot.com/ ALLENTOWN, PA. -- Could the Holy Father have a soft spot for Catholics? That is the belief of the majority of Americans surveyed in a new TIME Magazine/CNN poll released today. In the poll, of 3,058 people surveyed, 95 percent of respondents said they believed Pope Benedict XVI is "partial to those of the Catholic faith", and 83 percent of those surveyed said they believe the Pope "spends too much time thinking about, praying for, and dealing with Catholics." "The poll results are pretty stunning," said Dan Wright, senior religion editor at TIME magazine. "According to most Americans, he comes across as being pretty obsessed with Catholics. People want to know what the deal is." According to the poll, some are upset about the favoritism. "He always seems to be interested in their issues,"said Peter Knight, a Boise, Idaho, Mormon apologist and writer. "He could write an encyclical to us if he wanted. I mean, we had that whole polygamy episode and everything. That was pretty newsworthy. I haven't heard any rumblings of that, though. What do I have to do, become a Catholic?" "I'm pretty offended," said Roger McNelty, senior art director for Hoffman/Turner Advertising Agency in Allentown, PA. "I'm a lapsed Episcopalian bisexual with Attention Deficit Disorder, and I have yet to hear the Pope mention anything about my specific needs in any of his speeches." George Fitzpatrick, a religious analyst in Wichita, Kansas, has been tracking data on Pope Benedict since he was elected to the papacy. "If this trend continues the Pope may find his following restricted primarily to Roman Catholics." (OK. I have to admit, I was debating whether or not to post this under humour...but I wanted to give you folks over here a laugh, so here is where I put it!)

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Msg: 68 (view)

I found a needle and steroids Posted: 12/5/2005 1:56:34 PM
I am very concerned for you. If this person dumps people because they're pregnant, that doesn't say much for his social graces. If he's doing drugs of any sort, well, most people here know my views on that. I don't know about steroids causing people to flip out. (Does anyone have any references we can look at?) If there is ANY truth to that, I'd suggest moving out now! Who cares about the expenses! Go to your supportive family. I'm sure they'd be more than happy to help. Better to get that kind of help than to not wake up one morning...or to wake up battered and rushing to the hospital to try to save your life and the baby's life. Even if it's a joint lease, I'm sure that if you just left your half of the rent with the landlord and split, there's no problem. (Sounds like he's out of the house often enough that you can easily move out before he knows what's going on) Of course, if your ex-boyfriend is a nut, he'll probably make sure you don't get back your half of the damage deposit. Might as well kiss that goodbye now and focus on the future. And it sounds like you have a lot to look forward to! Your first baby! Scary but exciting too! (One note: If your ex-boyfriend is potentially the kind of person who will go crazy on you, maybe you should make sure he doesn't know where you're moving to?)

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Msg: 38 (view)

My first friends with benefits experience Posted: 12/5/2005 1:42:26 PM
Regardless of your relationship, there is no reason for anyone to cal you 3 or 4 times a day. Sounds like the definition of obsessive, insecure, or controling (wanting to know where you are and what you're doing all the time). Be careful, girl.

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