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 Author Thread: should we focus on arab resentment of the west as a mid-east peace plan?
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 6 (view)
 
should we focus on arab resentment of the west as a mid-east peace plan?
Posted: 8/16/2009 10:07:57 AM

It is my personal conviction that the problem is inherently their own, not ours.


Do you mean like when Iran nationalized the oil industry and the US and Britain overthrew their legitimate government in 1956 and installed the Shah, trained his KGB like police which created a 25 year brutal dictatorship, until overthrown by freedom loving people of Iran.....?
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 17 (view)
 
244 in congress are now co-sponsors of the bill to Audit the Fed
Posted: 7/13/2009 5:26:43 AM

We've had a central bank since Alexander Hamilton created one for the first administration. They are NOT illegal; I don't care what Ron Paul or Alex Jones say.


Nope not illegal. But, the fed is a privately owned for profit corporation. Why not do as Lincoln & Kennedy did... have the US gov't control & keep the money printed on the presses... rather than have the Fed do it and then loan it to the gov't at interest?




Perhaps more oversight would prompt such necessary action when it is warranted to prevent a crash instead of the Fed's track record of standing aside AS crashes in the market occur.


Perhaps you should check out the wide swings (created by the fed) in the money supply in the decade before and after the 1929 depression. And why the money supply was not increased again until Roosevelt came to power.

America's Forgotten War Against the Central Banks
http://www.safehaven.com/article-8658.htm

“I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principles of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale”
Thomas Jefferson
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 80 (view)
 
US Sucked Into Israeli - Iran Conflict
Posted: 7/4/2009 8:39:38 AM
Wow... shut this thread down... it's been hijacked...
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 67 (view)
 
US Sucked Into Israeli - Iran Conflict
Posted: 7/3/2009 8:13:38 AM
Gee let's overthrow the Gov't in Iran...

Hmmm.. Been there, done that, in 1956... installed the Shah of Iran, a nice little dictator... and trained his secret police in terror tactics...

Only lasted for 25 years... until the freedom loving people of Iran kicked him out...

And people ask why they hate us.. the answer everyone swallows??? "They hate our Freedoms"??? hahaha "They hate our democratic rights"...



Lets see now... does anyone remember the last time Iran was bombed by Israel... with USA supplied weaponry? Seems it was bombing their "nuclear" program..

Why not do it again?... Ooops... now they have missiles for defense.... nah... can't be...... They MUST be for offence.... AND they will SOON.... have nucs.... maybe even two or three of em.... to take out Israel with their 200 to 300 nukes...

hahahaha


As for the title of this thread... US Sucked Into Israeli - Iran Conflict.... seems like the US was already messing with Iran even before Israel was a state...

So I would think the thread should properly read... Israel sucked into the Iran-US-oil conflict.... Just like Iraq was encouraged to war with them... with US weapons...

 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 4 (view)
 
Dept of Energy
Posted: 6/28/2009 8:22:36 AM

Just food for thought.


?????

Not really... Just more divide and conquer... care to supply the facts now?

Like compare the dem years with the rep years and how much lower energy dependence was during them?
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 69 (view)
 
Why can't we let banks fail?
Posted: 5/12/2009 6:55:58 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

See message 43 & 45.... be educated
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 20 (view)
 
New Bill Proposes to Federalize Computer Security
Posted: 5/11/2009 7:05:44 AM

Freedom loving Americans reject Socialism as just a way for the government to control every aspect of a persons life.


It's private entreprise when the banks are making huge profits and keeps it.

It's socialism when they get "welfare" (read bailouts, with no oversight) when they are losing their shirts because of their own sillyness.

and by the way... just who do you think suggested the bailouts to the gov't?
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 66 (view)
 
Why can't we let banks fail?
Posted: 5/11/2009 6:53:01 AM

No laws were broken


??
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 64 (view)
 
Why can't we let banks fail?
Posted: 5/10/2009 9:26:03 AM
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/244222/The-Greatest-Boondoggle-in-History-Banks-Buoyed-at-Taxpayers%27-Expense?tickers=WFC

Worth a look!!
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 289 (view)
 
How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 5/10/2009 9:21:59 AM
^^^^
You got it dance...

We need banks... but not the thieving ones we have now.
Banks should not be charging interest... only a set fee to lend money.
And no more "8% fractional reserve lending"... only 100%

We need insurance companies... not as they are today... basically investment companies for a profit...
All insurance companies should be made non-profit... after all... it IS supposed to be insurance.

As it is now... it's Foxes guarding and running the henhouse... We need to have the laws that are on the books now to be inforced...
Put back true accountability into public service... not this sham...

Where even bushie has already put a pardon in place for himself and his administration just in case someone wants to charge em with "war crimes"...

Where "white collar crime"... is treated differently... Dang it ... they are bigger crooks than any 7-11 hold up idiot... and hurt more people...

Where when times were good... the banks kept their profits... and now that times are bad... the taxpayer is giving em money?... without even being able to know just where it's going?

Even now these "financial" crooks are pushing up the cost of oil... all on pure greed and speculation... with "oil stocks" at levels higher than ever seen since 1990....


Arrg.
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 284 (view)
 
How do you really feel about this large stimulus package?
Posted: 5/9/2009 8:57:29 AM
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/244222/The-Greatest-Boondoggle-in-History-Banks-Buoyed-at-Taxpayers%27-Expense?tickers=WFC

Worth a look!!
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Thousands flee Pakistan valley as truce crumbles
Posted: 5/6/2009 8:37:29 PM

AMY GOODMAN: The New York Times reports President Obama and his national security advisers are considering expanding the American covert war in Pakistan beyond the tribal areas and deep into Baluchistan, around the area, the city, of Quetta.


Can't be too much of a "covert war" now can it when it's reported in The New York Times!!!

I Wonder how the covert war is going with Iran, Venuzuela, Hamas, Palastine, & any other little place where Uncle Sam has a stake in?
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 787 (view)
 
Ex-CIA agent: Waterboarding 'saved lives'
Posted: 5/3/2009 8:12:56 PM
Here's a bit more info about "Obama's Guy"...



Obama is expected to name Admiral Dennis Blair as Director of National Intelligence. Blair, as Allan Nairn reported on Democracy Now!, was implicated in backing the perpetrators of church massacres in East Timor in 1999.

Obama’s team has said he wants to abide by the rule of law in intelligence and foreign policy. So, in ’99 in Indonesia, Timor, did Admiral Blair abide by the rule of law? If Obama thinks the answer is no, then he should prosecute Blair, not appoint him. If Obama thinks the answer is yes, that that was abiding by the rule of law, then that means it’s OK to sponsor mass killings of civilians, and doing that earns you a promotion in Barack Obama’s Washington.
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 17 (view)
 
Factory Farming & the problem
Posted: 5/3/2009 8:32:18 AM
Factory Farming IS the problem... especially in countries with lax regulations about health & pollution concerns.

http://www.321gold.com/editorials/engdahl/engdahl050109.html
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 25 (view)
 
hm..
Posted: 5/3/2009 8:25:22 AM

or are they just living in fear and paying for the Goverments mistakes.


Living in planned fear. "Terrorism" "Swine Flu" "Pandemic" "Global Warming" "Financial Meltdown" "War against (fill in the blank)" "Save the (fill in the blank)" "Illegal immigrants"
All designed to keep us distracted.



It's not just governments..... the mass media are just as guilty in promoting a herd mindset.


How much money does it take to get elected president, senator or congressman?
Five corporations now own the mass media... what did that take?... more money.
Who do they owe favors to?


I speak from a Canadian perspective

Different country, different rules... same requirements, Money.



The simple fact of the matter is that the systems of law and economy have become far too complicated for the average person to understand


Exactly what they want you to believe, and remind you everyday of in the mass media. They do need to keep us all confused. But, this time around... all they want is all that money the "boomers" have in retirement funds, etc.



The real issue is that the governments in virtually every western nation have allowed special interests to dictate their agendas to the public.


Divide and conquer techniques.



Rapid increases in federal spending have resulted in higher levels of borrowing


And who makes money off of that?



It's not surprising though - Ben Bernanke, Fed Chairman, authored one of the most popular college textbooks on Microeconomics.


Hmmm..
Let me quote these people about what economists know.

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws."-- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependant on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class." -- Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863

"From now on, depressions will be scientifically created." -- Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh Sr. , 1913

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President.

"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and it's issuance." -- James Madison

and

"Some [Most] people think the Federal Reserve Banks are the United States government's institutions. They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign swindlers." -- Congressional Record 12595-12603 -- Louis T. McFadden, Chairman of the Committee on Banking and Currency (12 years) June 10, 1932



The "Fed" is not a part of the gov't.... it's a privately owned... for profit... corporation.

See this great article about the history of the many attempts to create one in the US...before they finally succeeded in 1913.

America's Forgotten War Against the Central Banks
http://www.safehaven.com/article-8658.htm
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 17 (view)
 
Swine Flu scare for profit????
Posted: 5/3/2009 7:35:58 AM
We are, of course, being misled, lied to, one more time

Be afwaid... be very afwaid.


http://www.321gold.com/editorials/engdahl/engdahl050109.html
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 76 (view)
 
New Strain of Swine Flu Reported In N, America...Where is the Tamiflu?
Posted: 5/3/2009 7:14:55 AM
The true case for the flu!!


Flying Pigs, Tamiflu and Factory Farms


What are the symptoms of this purported Swine Flu? That's not at all clear according to virologists and public health experts. They say Swine Flu symptoms are relatively general and nonspecific. ‘So many different things can cause these symptoms. it is a dilemma,’ says one doctor interviewed by CNN. ‘There is not a perfect test right now to let a doctor know that a person has the Swine Flu.’ It has been noted that most individuals with Swine Flu had an early onset of fever. Also it was common to see dizziness, body aches and vomiting in addition to the common sneezing, headache and other cold symptoms. These are symptoms so general as to say nothing.

Then, most revealingly, the aspect of the story which has been largely ignored by major media, they reported, ‘Residents believed the outbreak had been caused by contamination from pig breeding farms located in the area. They believed that the farms, operated by Granjas Carroll, polluted the atmosphere and local water bodies, which in turn led to the disease outbreak. According to residents, the company denied responsibility for the outbreak and attributed the cases to "flu." However, a municipal health official stated that preliminary investigations indicated that the disease vector was a type of fly that reproduces in pig waste and that the outbreak was linked to the pig farms


For the full article
http://www.321gold.com/editorials/engdahl/engdahl050109.html

Worth a read if you are at all skeptical of the MSM, Agribusiness and politics...
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 6 (view)
 
H1N1 has mutated. We're screwed now!
Posted: 5/2/2009 6:37:39 PM
The true case for the flu!!

http://www.321gold.com/editorials/engdahl/engdahl050109.html

Flying Pigs, Tamiflu and Factory Farms


Worth a read if you are at all skeptical of the MSM...
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 781 (view)
 
Ex-CIA agent: Waterboarding 'saved lives'
Posted: 4/30/2009 9:10:55 PM

judging from all the conspiracy loonies out here


Yeah,,, like the "Gulf of Tonkin" conspiracy loonies

"I am not a crook" conspiracy loonies

Saddam Has WMD... conspiracy loonies

Margarine is good for you!! conspiracy loonies

The check is in the mail. conspiracy loonies
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 22 (view)
 
Top 5 fav movies
Posted: 4/28/2009 6:10:59 PM
In no particular order

Casablanca
Shawshank Redemption
2001
The Color Purple
Fargo
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Who is the worlds best thinking expert ?
Posted: 4/28/2009 6:04:45 PM
I'd vote twice for Robert A Heinlein ... too bad he's no longer with us
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 34 (view)
 
Myths about green energy
Posted: 4/25/2009 7:20:14 PM
Please refer to my message # 24

One here and there won't make much of an impact... put up 30 million of em and ...

No matter what... the energy is removed from one environment to create useable energy we can use...

I just objected to your blanket statement

and that thought of to many windmills will alter our wind patterns is ridiculous
Which is totally incorrect.
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 32 (view)
 
Myths about green energy
Posted: 4/25/2009 5:19:43 PM

and that thought of to many windmills will alter our wind patterns is ridiculous


Wow... my jaw hit the floor with that one...


Your statement is as silly as saying dams don't affect the water flow downstream...


and your ? reasoning... ?

I have seen single whole house windmills and besides the leggings on the support tower that spread wide at ground level,the blades 60 feet up are only like 12 foot,takes very little air space,

not real noticeable.

even more so!!
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 24 (view)
 
Myths about green energy
Posted: 4/19/2009 9:40:17 AM

Wind, sunlight,...water,...all these things are available and do NOT damage the planet,..


One windmill here and there probably doesn't do much... put in large arrays and they will most likely change weather patterns downwind... with unforseen consequences.

Put in solar panels on your home... not much in the way of consequences.

Put panels on a few thousand acres of desert... and I understand some people object because of ecological damage to that environment.

Put in dams...?... well the environmental impacts of that are all well known...

There ARE consequences to everything we do...
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 21 (view)
 
Myths about green energy
Posted: 4/18/2009 11:38:26 AM
Storage... may be a problem...

But, compared to the actual costs of oil production in finding, drilling, shipping, building pipelines, storage, delivery, building gas stations and all the infrastructure needed.

Lives lost, ecological damage, energy costs, health problems, wars, etc.... to get all this done...

Solar also needs massive areas of sunlit countryside... with the exception of space based units.

Wind?... put enough of them up and disturb weather patterns...
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 13 (view)
 
It's Offical! President Obama has lost my 2012 vote.
Posted: 4/17/2009 7:48:42 PM
Yep...

No point at all prosecuting people... who were just following orders...


Kinda reminds me of those poor guys using that as an excuse during the Neuremburg trials after WWII...

Or putting Japanese soldiers on trial for "war crimes"... for waterboarding POW's

Too bad we don't have Bush & Cheney holed up in a bunker somewhere contemplating the error of their ways while an invading army searches for them.


Yep... let's all be good little boys and girls ... und follow our orders.



In the words of Friedrich Gustav Martin Niemöller, spoken more than 50 years ago.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out.
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 17 (view)
 
Myths about green energy
Posted: 4/17/2009 7:33:09 PM
Nuclear energy not green?

You may want to check what an american company is doing then...

http://hyperionpowergeneration.com/index.html

http://hyperionpowergeneration.com/news/Hyperion_Fact_Sheet_Nov08.pdf
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 23 (view)
 
Obama may fire pollution particles into stratosphere to deflect sun's heat to tackle global warming
Posted: 4/17/2009 7:17:16 PM

While there is no indication that ExxonMobil paid the climate skeptics directly and the scientists may have their own motivations for participating, the company poured millions of dollars into spreading its message worldwide. Here's where some of that money went.



Follow the MONEY............


Your figures for the oil companies kinda pale in comparison to just one person ... Al Gore spending $300 million dollars on advertising... to convince us that global warming is real!!

Is that HIS money?... hmm... wonder where he got it from?

Yep... follow the MONEY!!... Isn't Big Al and his buddies involved in buying and selling "Carbon credits"...
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 45 (view)
 
Why can't we let banks fail?
Posted: 4/14/2009 6:47:42 PM
And just remember... the fed is a private corporation... NOT a part of the gov't.
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 43 (view)
 
Why can't we let banks fail?
Posted: 4/14/2009 7:30:08 AM

The taxpayer was raped for $700 billion dollars after explicitly telling their Representatives and Senators NO by somewhere between a 100:1 and 300:1 ratio, depending on the individual Rep or Senator.

In addition to this The Taxpayer was further violated to the tune of some $8-12 trillion in additional "commitments and loans" for which he had no representation or voice, as those "commitments" were made by The Fed and affiliated agencies, which Congress has refused to exercise control over, despite having the clear Constitutional mandate to do so.

This is over $40,000 per man, woman and child in this country, and it was stolen from you quite literally at gunpoint for the explicit purpose of preventing the banksters responsible for this mess suffering the loss of their shirts, their homes, their yachts and their bonuses.


http://market-ticker.denninger.net/

Socialism?.... or just outright robbery?

And just who do you think controls who?... Seems like the Fed runs the gov't don't it?
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Obama may fire pollution particles into stratosphere to deflect sun's heat to tackle global warming
Posted: 4/10/2009 11:23:50 PM

You must read George Will....


Who's George Will? and why would I care what he says?

In the following quote... the NSIDC compare the 2008 to 2007 years.


The Arctic sea ice cover appears to have reached its minimum extent for the year, the second-lowest extent recorded since the dawn of the satellite era. While above the record minimum set on September 16, 2007

http://www.nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2008/091608.html

notice the "Dawn of the satellite era"?... began in 1979... so only 30 years of possibly reasonable data.
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 4 (view)
 
Obama may fire pollution particles into stratosphere to deflect sun's heat to tackle global warming
Posted: 4/10/2009 6:47:06 PM
Hmmm... global warming again!... OOOOPS.. should have said "climate change".. that way they are right no matter what happens... :)

Didn't I hear that the artic ice actually increased in 2008 over 2007's?
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 47 (view)
 
The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke
Posted: 4/5/2009 10:12:50 AM

Second, tax rates on corporations are too high at 40%


Huh? Seems that hasn't followed with increased taxes ... but less...


As the GAO study documents and the historical record proves, corporate tax dodging is directly linked to the reduction of corporate tax revenues. Corporate tax receipts dropped from an average of 4.8 percent of GDP during the 1950s to 1.3 percent of GDP in FY2003. Treasury Department figures show that actual corporate income tax revenues fell 36 percent from FY2000 to FY2003. And while the statutory corporate income tax rate is 35 percent, the effective corporate tax rate - the actual share of corporate taxes paid on corporate profits - has averaged just 26 percent since 1993, according to the Congressional Research Service.


Just who IS paying more?


As corporate tax receipts decreased, payroll taxes, the most regressive of all taxes, increased dramatically. Specifically, payroll taxes increased from 1.6 percent of GDP in FY1950 to 6.8 percent of GDP in FY2002


And yet, who does the IRS go after to collect more?


Yet the Bush administration was able to find room in its 2004 budget to dramatically increase funding for compliance with the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) for low-income families. The Bush budget requested a 68.5 percent increase in EITC enforcement, despite the fact that EITC avoidance represents only 2.8 percent of the overall uncollected tax gap.


http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2004/04/b45142.html
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 10 (view)
 
The Real U.S. Deficit: $65.5 TRILLION?
Posted: 4/5/2009 9:28:29 AM
Financial Rescue Nears GDP as Pledges Top $12.8 Trillion

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601009&refer=commodities&sid=armOzfkwtCA4




Under Fire: The Federal Government
We are finally getting people calling fraud and unlawful on the actions of the government.

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 82 (view)
 
HOW TO FIX THE UNITED STATES ECONONY & SAVE US FROM ANOTHER DEPRESION
Posted: 3/31/2009 9:34:34 AM

But I don't hold the banks responsible. If we give them the rope, and they pull it, and we don't yank it back, what do we expect them to do, stop pulling? If we let them continue as they did before, they will.


I do!! Guess who was pulling the strings to get that rope and pull on it as hard as possible... and just who do you think would yank it back?


In 2000 the Clinton Administration then-Treasury Secretary was a man named Larry Summers. Summers had just been promoted from No. 2 under Wall Street Goldman Sachs banker Robert Rubin to be No. 1 when Rubin left Washington to take up the post of Vice Chairman of Citigroup.

Summers convinced President Bill Clinton to sign several Republican bills into law which opened the floodgates for banks to abuse their powers. The fact that the Wall Street big banks spent some $5 billion in lobbying for these changes after 1998 was likely not lost on Clinton.


Seems the banks thought spending $5 billion was well worth it... if it brought the deregulation they were looking for.

Here's where they stand now.


Today five US banks according to data in the just-released Federal Office of Comptroller of the Currency’s Quarterly Report on Bank Trading and Derivatives Activity, hold 96% of all US bank derivatives positions in terms of nominal values, and an eye-popping 81% of the total net credit risk exposure in event of default.

The five are, in declining order of importance: JPMorgan Chase which holds a staggering $88 trillion in derivatives (€66 trillion!). Morgan Chase is followed by Bank of America with $38 trillion in derivatives, and Citibank with $32 trillion. Number four in the derivatives sweepstakes is Goldman Sachs with a ‘mere’ $30 trillion in derivatives. Number five, the merged Wells Fargo-Wachovia Bank, drops dramatically in size to $5 trillion. Number six, Britain’s HSBC Bank USA has $3.7 trillion.


So... wanna guess who needs bailing out?

The rest of the article gives some good advice on how to possibly clean this mess up

http://www.321gold.com/editorials/engdahl/engdahl033009.html
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 36 (view)
 
Why can't we let banks fail?
Posted: 3/27/2009 6:39:39 PM
Heck, if we let the banks fail... where would California borrow the money for the tents they want to supply to people who have lost their homes...

'cause if you bail out people ... that's socialism...

But bail out corporations... that's... what?.... ahh yes... bailling out your buddies...

Call it a "floor" ... for corps... how about a safety net for peeps.? same thing ain't it?

Nahhhhh... I must be wrong somehow...
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 9 (view)
 
The Real U.S. Deficit: $65.5 TRILLION?
Posted: 3/22/2009 8:47:33 PM
The really mind blowing part of this is that the vast majority of people don't even know the Federal Reserve Bank is a privately owned for-profit corporation.

It's not part of the gov't... though they do make it seem that way... don't they..?

These are the same people who caused this problem and now they have been put in charge of fixing it???.. with no oversight... wow.

Wish I could own that bank... it prints all the money (even says "Federal Reserve Note" on every dollar bill)... out of thin air... lends it to the gov't and then gets it all back with interest...? Can anyone spell inflation?

Now I ask,,, why doesn't the gov't print it's own? oops it did, once in awhile.
Remember Lincoln and his green-backs?
Remember Kennedy and those "US bank notes" (on every bill).. red seal dollars..?

These days ... takes a LOT of money to get elected... who has tons of it?

America's Forgotten War Against the Central Banks
http://www.safehaven.com/article-8658.htm
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 55 (view)
 
Why crush 1100 perfectly good electric cars???
Posted: 3/16/2009 6:11:19 PM

An oil refinery uses 100-500GWxh/year to make petrol, how silly is that? Maybe using petrol is unrealistic and we should give up on the idea? You need a fuel source that (a) has enough energy to get you from A to B, (b) can be carried around without its own weight causing a problem, and (c) it's relatively cheap to manufacturer, and (d) it can be replenished easily. The problem with using electricity directly via batteries has been (b) and (d). Using lith-ion, ala laptop batteries, instead of the old lead-acid has dramatically helped with (b). If cost can be reduced and (d) improved then maybe we won't need an intermediary storage such as petrol or hydrogen.


and here I thought we were discussing electricity vs hydrogen...?
Electricity directly to power cars... OR... make hydrogen... THEN power cars with it...
Still didn't answer the question... which one makes more sense?


It has everything to do with it. Making your own hydrogen is the EASY part once you've got a cheap or free source of electricity. The latter bit is the HARD part.


Yep,,, the HARD part is making your own Hydrogen Fuel cells... good luck with that.

If I had a cheap or free? source of electricity... I don't think I'd waste my time making hydrogen to power a car... (and lose 66% of the energy in the process)... I'd just pump it into an electric car and use it more efficiently ...


It may be a couple of years or it may be a decade. It depends on a number of things, such as new developments in research, finding efficient methods of manufacturing, reducing the cost of components, political will, etc.


Well we don't have to wait that long... GM was producing good, reliable, electric cars in 1998, 1999, 2000 fer crying out loud...


And as for the idea that you can't get unlimited long range out of electric vehicles... I would think once the demand was there... these battery packages could possibly be standardized to be easily exchanged (swapped out) at a sort of "electric" gas station?

But who cares anyway... 95% or so... of daily drivers don't need to travel more than 140km per day anyway... easily done with todays (not tomorrow's) technology.

Those that do need a car for that once in awhile holiday or visit can certainly still rent one of those "gas guzzlers"... until a better system of delivering those "electric" gas stations comes along...
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 51 (view)
 
Why crush 1100 perfectly good electric cars???
Posted: 3/15/2009 7:00:52 PM
This is silly. It always costs more to transfer energy from one matter to another than you can get out of it. To do otherwise is contrary to the laws of physics. Otherwise you could have perpetual motion machines.


Riiiight... and using electricity to make hydrogen... then use the hydrogen to make electricity to power vehicles and lose energy with each step along with manufacturing these fuel cells.... somehow makes sense to you!!!!.

So, which idea is silly?


The same was said of using "grossly inefficient" solar power to run a home, yet people are doing that right now


And what does this have to do with making your own hydrogen to put in your own car? It'll never happen.


There are already prototype cars you can drive around that are totally run by hydrogen fuel cells


Right... and the first production cars come out when?.... oops... sorry they may need another 10 to 15 years to get there.... "maybe"
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 37 (view)
 
Why crush 1100 perfectly good electric cars???
Posted: 3/15/2009 8:22:53 AM

Hydrogen has a number of challenges that won't be solved anytime soon.


Yep, and the dreams of making your own hydrogen and pumping into your own car, are just that, dreams.

The focus of research is "hydrogen fuels cells" which are not something that just needs to be topped off with home-made hydrogen.

The reality still will be hydrogen costs more in energy to make, than the energy you get out of it. Period. It's much better economically and greener to go directly from producing electricity to charge an electric car, than to produce hydrogen (a dangerous proposition) and then use it to power a complicated hybrid, that would more than likely still need fosil fuels to make em feasible.

Research for a car to be run totally by hydrogen fuel cells is still being described as being 15 to 20 years away... does anyone really think they will be cheaper to buy and operate than an electric car?

Now the last I heard from GM was that an electric car is still about 10 years away from production as there are many technical issues to be resolved... Hmmm... the EV1 was being produced for years beginning in 1998...

There really doesn't need to be a meeting or conspiracy to decide to do away with the EV1 or any decent electric car. There just needs to be a motive for the moneyed elite to keep looking after their own self-interest.

One of the things mentioned in "who killed the electric car"... was they didn't need a lot to be done for "servicing" them at their local dealers. No oil changes, air filters, gas filters, tune-ups, etc... and of course no need for all the parts and labour that would include.... in short ... not much money at all in servicing these vehicles.


And on another topic,,, Wind power "free" energy? anyone ever think of the effect of massive wind farms might have on weather patterns? Tanstafl.
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 210 (view)
 
SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 3/13/2009 6:25:02 PM

I know for a fact Canada won't go for it.


How?

Best check out the 2007 manitoba prov. speech from the throne... seems they are willing partners for the new superhighway from Mexico...


A partnership will mean that the US dictates the policies


Possibly, but their constitution will also be able to be overuled by a trilateral political organisation...


just that we like to have some say in our own affairs.


And you think we have that now?
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 14 (view)
 
Need stock buying advice...
Posted: 3/7/2009 9:16:24 PM
Buy real gold... no stocks...
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 72 (view)
 
Are americans ready for 1984
Posted: 3/6/2009 5:18:30 PM

They are still looking for support despite engineering their own demise.


And they are the same ones put in charge of bailing us out of this
With unlimited funds and no oversight...


Too many people are into the blame game... and desperately trying to put labels on the type of actions that are needed to fix things.. which will never be allowed to be fixed as it requires a complete overhaul of gov't and the ousting of the moneyed (with our money) elites who actually run things.
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 484 (view)
 
Does God exist?
Posted: 3/5/2009 7:40:32 PM
God made me an atheist.... so who are you to question HIS/HER wisdom?
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 116 (view)
 
Americans Are Spoiled: A Depression will do us good!
Posted: 2/28/2009 10:11:21 AM
The perfect George Carlin rant for current events...

"Consumption - It's the new national pastime. ***** baseball, it's consumption. The only true lasting American value that's left: buyin' things! Buying things. People spending money they don't have on things they don't need - MONEY THEY DON'T HAVE ON THINGS THEY DON'T NEED - so they can max out their credit cards and spend the rest of their lives paying 18% interest on something that cost 12.50! And they didn't like it when they got it home anyway.

Not too bright folks, not too *****' bright. But if you talk to one of them about this, if you isolate one of 'em, you sit them down rationally, and talk to them about the low IQs and the dumb behaviour and the bad decisions - right away they start talking about education. That's the big answer to everything. Education! They say 'We need more money for education. We need more books, more teachers, more classrooms, more schools. We need more testing for the kids!" You say to 'em "Well, you know, we've tried all of that and the kids still can't pass the tests!" "Ah, don't you worry about that, we're gonna lower the passing grades!"

And that's what they do in a lot of these schools now, they lower the passing grades so more kids can pass. More kids pass, the school looks good, everybody's happy, the IQ of the country slips another two or three points, and pretty soon all you'll need to get into college is a ***** pencil! "Got a pencil? Get the ***** in there, it's physics!"

Then everyone wonders why 17 other countries graduate more scientists than we do. "EDUCAATION". Politicians know that word - they USE it on you. Politicians have traditionally hidden behind three things: the flag, the Bible, and children! 'No child left behind'"no child left behind".. Oh really? Well, it wasn't long ago you were talking about giving kids a head start! Head start...left behind? Someone's losing ***** ground here!

But there's a reason. There's a reason. There's a reason for this, there's a reason education SUCKS, and it's the same reason it will never ever ever be fixed. It's never going to get any better, don't look for it, be happy with what you've got...BECAUSE THE OWNERS OF THIS COUNTRY DON'T WANT THAT. I'm talking about the real owners now...the REAAL owners. The big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions."..

"Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice . . . you don’t. You have no choice. You have OWNERS. They OWN *you*. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying . . . lobbying, to get what they want . . . Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I’ll tell you what they don’t want . . . they don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that . . . that doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests. That’s right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting ***** by a system that threw them overboard 30 *****' years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers . . . Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly ***** jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your *****' retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it . . . they’ll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this *****' place. It’s a big club and you ain't in it. You and I are not in The big club. By the way, it’s the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Good honest hard-working people . . . white collar, blue collar it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means . . . continue to elect these rich ***** who don’t give a ***** about you. They don’t give a ***** about you . . . they don’t give a ***** about you. They don’t care about you at all . . . at all . . . at all, and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. That’s what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue****that’s being jammed up their a******* everyday, because the owners of this country know the truth. It’s called the American Dream, 'cause you have to be asleep to believe it . . .”

-George Carlin
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 72 (view)
 
HOW TO FIX THE UNITED STATES ECONONY & SAVE US FROM ANOTHER DEPRESION
Posted: 2/20/2009 2:51:48 PM
Yah, maybe the US will "nationalize" their central bank too!!.. and keep the same people in charge.

Yep,,, that'll fix everything!!

The Bank of England... the bank of Canada... are supposed to be managed ("nationalized" in the 30's I think) by our governments... for our benefit... But it's still the moneyed elite running the gov't in both our countries.
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 68 (view)
 
HOW TO FIX THE UNITED STATES ECONONY & SAVE US FROM ANOTHER DEPRESION
Posted: 2/16/2009 2:32:20 PM
I posted this before on this thread.... but it needs repeating here...

Remember "It's the economy stupid" ?

Well... It's really the Banks..

Why, if I could print money like the US gov't can.. and doesn't anymore since the Kennedy red seal "US bank notes"

Why? would I borrow at interest from the Fed... who has "somehow" managed to take over that job from the gov't ... gets to "lend" what it prints as "principal" which needs to be paid back.... and charges interest on top of that?...

Isn't inflation caused by too many dollars chasing fewer goods... nice little ponzi scheme they've got going... and able to buy the Media, Politicians, and anything else that's for sale to the highest bidder... Any wonder we are in this mess? Who got us into this mess... and who's in charge of "fixing" it with trillions of dollars with no oversight?


The "Fed" is not a gov't department.... it's a privately owned... for profit... corporation.

See this great article about the history of the many attempts to create one in the US...

America's Forgotten War Against the Central Banks
http://www.safehaven.com/article-8658.htm
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 58 (view)
 
HOW TO FIX THE UNITED STATES ECONONY & SAVE US FROM ANOTHER DEPRESION
Posted: 2/14/2009 8:23:48 AM
Anyone seen this on any MSM Tv?...
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2009/02/todays-congressional-hearing-on-banks.html

It seems those people who really understand how we are all being shafted are not being heard.
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 59 (view)
 
Real Estate bubble
Posted: 2/14/2009 8:22:18 AM

So i take the time now to ask,
Is this thing about to turn around?
Have we seen the deepest drops?


Not for quite awhile... it will get much worse.


Should people really have seen this coming years ago?


Some did, but they were dismissed as incompetents.
Those who did see and benefitted (ie: caused it, the banks, etc..) are now in charge of fixing it, with unlimited funds from taxpayers, and no oversight whatsoever.

And anyone seen this on any MSM Tv?...
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2009/02/todays-congressional-hearing-on-banks.html

It seems those people who really understand how we are all being shafted are not being heard.
 2wheel
Joined: 2/19/2007
Msg: 49 (view)
 
In Defence of Science Fiction
Posted: 2/7/2009 5:39:47 PM

I've been meaning to go back through my Heinlein again


Try his very first book, (didn't make a sale)... but for relevant social commentary that was written in 1938... it's even more so to today's "financial mess"...

The name is "For us, the living"... quite an eye opener for those who think the system as it is, serves "We the people"
 
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