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Thread: Is this a non starter?
im_a_rockstar
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Is this a non starter?
Posted: 12/3/2012 12:13:02 PM
If there was anything for him to hide, he wouldn't have put it on facebook.
Relax.
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how to best bring up the topic about being exclusive
Posted: 12/2/2012 11:45:03 AM
All these posts about having the "exlusive" talk... You guys are really making me think I'm doing it wrong...
Every girlfriend I've had, we've never had to talk about it, we just kind of hit a point where it was obvious.
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online relationships!!
Posted: 12/1/2012 8:50:08 PM
Attraction without meeting CAN happen, it's extremely possible when you don't base everything on looks and sex. So it IS possible that you ARE that important to him, and he really wants to try to make something work.
If he got sent out to work because of Sandy, he's BUSY!!!!!!!! The news doesn't even come close to showing how bad it is here. You're probably going to barely be talking to him for a decent amount of time. Give him the chance, give it time, and see what happens when he's done out here, don't jump to any conclusions about him... Definitely don't listen to the PoF forums, because to them, every single guy in the world is married and cheating.
The guy very likely doesn't even have time to think right now. It doesn't mean he doesn't want to talk to you, it's just INSANE right now out here.
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Is it odd..
Posted: 12/1/2012 8:41:00 PM
In my experience from being a guy... I've given my number out, I think only 2 people have ever actually called me.... Two people the entire time in my life I've been dating. Neither of them turned into anything.
Literally every girl I've dated in my life has been because of me making the contact and giving her the idea of going and doing something. He's not trying to scam you, he knows that the woman getting the man's number typically means nothings going to happen, but him getting your number means that he can call you and ask you if you want to do something. Because let's be honest, you're not going to call him because you want him to take you on a date, you're going to go on dates with the guys who call you to see if you want to, you're only going to call him when there's nobody else and you really need to get out of the house.
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Can someone help?
Posted: 12/1/2012 8:35:35 PM
Cowboy, did you bother to actually read what the flaws were in his next post?
You're trying to date people your age, while you're looking for something more mature.... It's going to be hell for the next 20 years. You can find the person you end up spending the rest of your life with tomorrow, but there's also the chance that you're going to have to go through a lot of crazy girls first to find her. Your standards aren't too high, those "flaws" are things that most people wouldn't deal with. It'll get easier over time, you'll learn how common a lot of trends are and you'll be able to catch on before you waste too much time, and it'll make finding someone worth being with a lot easier.
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Bad Boy Gone Good..You're Not The 1st Option Anymore?
Posted: 12/1/2012 8:26:04 PM
Where are you trying to meet girls? If you're going to bars / clubs, then that's 100% of what your problem is. Nobody goes to places like that to find someone they want to build something serious and long lasting with. They don't go there looking for that mature person, they're looking for the partying guaranteed sex that night.
It's tough being the good guy, you don't have the luxury of your attitude attracting people instantly. Now that you're good, you're automatically terrible in bed, and BORING. The best advice is to avoid bars.
The best way to meet people who want a nice guy, and are actually datable, is through common interests. You're not going to meet someone in a bar. The best you'll get from a club is just getting laid one night by the swamp donkey... You need to be active. And be as social as possible.... When you bring your kid to the park and some girl is there with her kid, talk to her. Form a completely nonsexual friendship if she's already married or with someone. Friends are the best way you're going to meet anyone that's worth dating, and looking for a good guy. Talk to the guys too... The more friends you have at the same maturity level as you, the more new people you're going to meet that are also at that same level, and looking for that same thing.
You're not the first choice in a bar, if you're looking for sex, you can put on the act and get someone, but it's going to take looking in the mature world to find someone looking for someone mature.
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how do i tell him to leave me alone?
Posted: 11/30/2012 9:44:39 AM
What happened when she said not to touch her.... He stopped, right?
The two of them are in two different places. He's with someone that's going to turn into a relationship, she has no interest in him.
Honestly, I see a girl who just doesn't know how to use her words, and a guy that might have trust and insecurity issues, because odds are, she's not the first one to do this to him.
The ONLY way to get a guy away from you without causing a stalker, is to be upfront and honest. The more you lead a guy on, the more chance there is of him getting too attached, and that's what causes the stalker behavior in some people.
But there's nothing in there that says stalker. He didn't show up at her job, he's not constantly asking her where she's going or who she's hanging out with, he's not calling her from other people's phones to try to track her down.... He's not showing any signs of being a stalker. But SHE is showing signs of leading the guy on. When he called and said he was coming over, her response should have been "no", instead, she went along with it. She wasn't conned into hanging out, she made the conscious choice to do that herself. And if it was such a huge issue, why not call the cops?
I see this guy being called a potential stalker for the same reasons that literally everyone that's talked about in these forums is cheating on person... People are projecting their own personal emotion into their posts. Maybe the guy is a little creepy, but in no way has anything she's said about him shown a stalker.
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Bad luck with women
Posted: 11/28/2012 3:27:38 PM
OP, we're on a dating site. As much as nobody wants to admit to it, because it takes putting yourself down in a way, there's a reason we're all here. Nobody is on PoF because they're that socially perfect that it's impossible to find someone that can function on the same level as them.
You're talking to the reason the other person is here. Have you been in a bar and watched how many times the really hot girl will get approached... Now, do you REALLY believe that the same girl is on this site because she's this really nice person who always commits to plans that she makes?
There are attractive women here who are genuinely nice people, but not all of them.
The worst thing you can do is see this site as a place to meet someone. Because a lasting relationship is RARE on these sites. Treat it like just another part of every day life... Maybe you'll have a little bit of a random conversation with someone and maybe you won't... And maybe you'll meet someone here that you end up marrying... But you need to have the same approach as being in line at the grocery store, maybe you'll meet someone here and maybe you won't. But the odds that the person you marry are from this site and not everywhere else you regularly go in life is really small, you have to still use all those other places if you actually want a chance at success.
Remember, there are a lot of people on this site because they're just not datable, and I think that's what you keep running into, because I'm willing to bet that you're only messaging the same people who have absolutely no difficulty being approached out in public.
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what does a casual relationship mean to you?
Posted: 11/28/2012 2:47:36 PM
an excuse to have one person to go home to, one to have sex with, and one to buy you things. Basically, it's taking some of the benefits of a relationship, but without the commitment, or need to give back.
Or to explain it with an example (from the perspective of a guy (guys also do it to women)), it's the person who's idea it was, completely using you with no real interest in you, but making it sound so much better so that you're like "Wow, this is great, I can date this girl AND have sex with other girls", but in reality, you're not magically getting laid more. She is, because she's a girl, and as guys we're pretty easy to get in be, so while she's banging some other guy every night, you're buying her that new dress that she looks really hot in so that the other guy is definitely going to want to bang her... And while she goes to his house after you buy her dinner, you're going home alone.
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If you're here for friends....
Posted: 11/28/2012 2:35:37 PM
But... what's the point of friends that you can't and/or don't do things with? Friends aren't just people you sit at home and chat with, or looks and interests wouldn't matter too much. We seek people out who like to do the things we do (and are capable of doing them).
Friends are unconditional, or at least they're supposed to be.
I have friends across the country who I haven't seen for a long time, I only talk to them through texting or facebook. I'm a musician, but most of my friends don't play a single instrument. I play pool, but only have 2 friends who do that.
It's not as black and white as "I play music, if you don't, then we're not friends".
There's a ton of other common interests we could have. Maybe we both like to drink, maybe we both like football, maybe we both like restaurants... You could ALWAYS find something to do.
You have a very distorted view of what a friend is. You know who your REAL friends are? The ones that you can sit in a house with no TV or internet and be perfectly content. Your friends should be the ones you can just sit home and chat with... If you have to have some kind of activity, you're not interested in that person, you're interested in that activity.
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Why women can't say NO!!!
Posted: 11/28/2012 2:28:05 PM
I'm under the impression that if a woman just stops talking to me then she doesn't think that we'll make a match and that's when I move on. One thing a guy should never do is ask why when a woman doesn't want to be with you anymore. all it's going to do to get you more pissed off and spiteful because you feel hurt. I did that before and it turned out so bad and things were said that were nice very nice to say on both ends. Just take it for what it is and move on because I got news for you a lot of men (and women) don't take rejection very well. It's just part of our human nature I learned that if you dwell on it you'll not only be hurting other potential dates but yourself in the long run.
It doesn't matter why she doesn't want to be with you. But when you pass up a chance to date, or reorganize your life to date someone, and not just get stood up, but then a week later finally get the response of "Oh, I have a boyfriend now", that's what kind of triggers people tending to get pissed. Any woman is free to not be in a relationship with any man, but when you're already dating, don't you think that out of actual respect for the other person, you should at least tell them it's not working, rather than just disappear?
I think moving on to a different guy is a big enough deal that you should at least tell the other guy that you were dating.
If she likes someone else better, FINE. But don't waste other people's time in the process. Reject them, get it over with, and let them move on with their lives. It's not that people don't take rejection well, because most people do, and accept it as just a part of life.... What most people don't take well is being ignored for a week by someone they were dating because they secretly have a bf/gf now, they don't like being led on because the other person would rather stand them up over and over than just tell them they're not interested. They don't like having someone make a complete game out of the idea of dating them (the constant I want to see you, but every time you actually want to see me, something will ALWAYS come up, but you know that guy that I'm only friends with? Well, I have infinite time for him).
What the internet calls rejection isn't rejection. Rejection requires actually rejecting the other person. This is leading them on and standing them up, or disappearing expecting the problem to go away, then being surprised that a lot of people don't like being completely ignored and would rather hear "I'm out of your league" than nothing at all...
But there are people who fear rejection, and they're the ones who would rather hear nothing. It's not so much that saying nothing means they're not interested, it's that saying nothing lets you hide the reality that you just weren't good enough for the other person.
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Is it still expected that men pay for everything
Posted: 11/28/2012 2:14:34 PM
It depends on the person.
I personally see it more as no different than going out with my friends, you should split the bill. Even if you're invited out, you should always expect to pay your share. But I also DO treat. I'll bring a girl out, and take the entirety of the bill on myself.
A lot of people have this huge misconception of what a date is. A date isn't a guy buying a woman dinner... A date is the guy and the girl taking that time for each other. It's not what you do, but why you do it.
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how do i tell him to leave me alone?
Posted: 11/26/2012 8:13:52 PM
I hope I'm not right. Just trying to figure out why she is so afraid of telling him it's not working for her.
Probably either a huge insecurity thinking he's gonna get mad, or that much of an inflated ego that she thinks he's gonna stalk her.
OR, she took him calling to say he was on his way over VERY wrong. He could have just thought they were far enough along that that was ok, but she saw it as OMGSTALKER!
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How do you deal with someone that is stressed and irritable all the time?
Posted: 11/25/2012 9:48:39 AM
There's a chance it'll get better. What has the guys life been like recently? You say he doesn't work, he has 4 kids... Did he lose the job recently? Is an ex causing problems over one of the kids?
When someone reacts like that over something small going wrong like a refrigerator breaking, there's usually a lot more going on, that he probably isn't telling you about so that he doesn't drag you into the middle of it. The way you describe the guy is a great a guy that actually cares about you, even though he's unemployed, he at least does house work, taking his share of the responsibility.
But you gotta remember, unemployment will wear you down, especially if you're actively looking for work. The longer it goes on the more tired of it you get. It really seems like he just has a lot going on right now.
My honest opinion is that you should stay with him. When he's in a mood like that, just give him his space. You have a guy that seems like he cares about you, and wants to be your partner through life, and not just someone that wants to have sex with you, but it just seems like he's going through a little bit of a rough spot in life. It happens. The best way to help him through it is to give him his space when he's mad, and show him how much you appreciate him and what he does for you. There's no such thing as that perfect fairytale relationship, you're with another actual person. Real life is going to happen. If you really care about him, the answer to how you deal with someone that's stressed and irritable all the time, is you just do it. Once he's back to work, you'll probably see a big change and suddenly he's a lot less stressed.
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how do i tell him to leave me alone?
Posted: 11/25/2012 9:24:35 AM
I do take your point. But is there any evidence for that? I can't see he's done anything wrong yet, apart from being a bit too needy and not paying attention.
It depends on the girl. Some of them get that idea because of how the guy acts... But some of them, more commonly the younger ones than older, if you're more than 2 years older than her, you're creepy, if she's out of your league but you're still trying to talk to her, you're a stalker. The OP could just be the second one, he's not socially perfect, so he must be a creepy stalker that's going to try to kill her if she dumps him.
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Is it my problem or his?
Posted: 11/25/2012 9:17:28 AM
A truly honest answer. It's one thing to say your partner needs to be cool with all your female friends, but when the shoe is on the other foot, people tend to be fairly hypocritical, especially when they are really serious and have deep feelings for someone. There are very few women or men who are going to be cool with the type of situation the OP describes as far as her boyfriends female friends.
A lot of us wouldn't have a problem with our gf hanging out with her male friends, maybe even staying by their house, but within reason.
Ofc, nobody is going to trust someone sleeping at someone's house that they sleep at frequently and are always flirting with that person... But when there's clearly no intention of him getting between you two, and she's not going to bang him, it's really not that big of a deal. If you don't give the other person a reason to not trust you, then a lot of times they'll trust you.
Our problems tend to be when it's excessive, when she has to make it a point to tell us "don't worry, we're just friends" (beacuse almost every time, that line means that it's more than just friends.... just friends are ok to hang out with the boyfriend around too, it doesn't ALWAYS have to be just the two of them alone).
The problem is that a lot of people think they're clever, that they have it figured out how to not get caught, not realizing that the other person has heard the same exact line way too many times and can see right through the lie.
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GF gives me STD. Confirms her cheating?
Posted: 11/24/2012 7:43:32 PM
OP, a little education on herpes:
First off, most people with it will never show a single symptom. That means you could have had it your entire life, or she always had it and didn't know. While uncommon, the virus CAN be spread from your mouth to your genitals. And it's estimated that about 80% of people in the world have HSV-1. So technically, with enough bad luck, you could have ate dinner, then went to the bathroom and accidentally infected yourself. It does happen.
You having that outbreak doesn't confirm anything. You got an STD that's more common than an allergy to pollen, that can stay dormant for literally your entire life.
I'd just calmly talk to her, and let her know that you got tested and have it, and that she should get tested too, if she wants to. It's really only a minor inconvenience, it would just be nice of her to let any guy know that she might have it if anything ever happens between the two of you.
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Texting this girl i really like.
Posted: 11/24/2012 7:35:19 PM
If she's not answering texts, then odds are she's not going to answer a phone call. always keep that in mind.
But try a phone call, it's easier to have an actual conversation that way. If she doesn't answer, then send a text (a lot of people prefer text over voicemail, because when you get voicemail, then you have to check it, a text is right there).
Besides that, just give her time to respond. If she's interested, she WILL respond as soon as she can.
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Why women can't say NO!!!
Posted: 11/24/2012 7:27:09 PM
Sometimes, they don't make any comment, they just come back later and ask again, i.e. "Will you go to dinner with me?" "No, sorry." A week later, "Will you go to dinner with me?"
Last week a man approached me and asked if he could "get to know me," I said, "No, I have a boyfriend." He said, "Oh, please, just get me a chance."
Try to look at it from a different perspective though. Pretend someone is responding to you by saying that.
"No, sorry" is kind of a one time answer. It leaves the opportunity open to try asking again. Next time, try saying "No, I'm not intereseted"
The guy that asked if he could get to know you, how do you know it meant he wanted to date you? Could he have just wanted to be friends? In that case, in his head, wtf does you having a boyfriend have to do with anything?
Again, that's a spot where "I'm not interested" would have worked better.
A lot of women really need to reevaluate their rejection. Sometimes you need to be more specific. Sometimes you need to differentiate between "I don't want to go to dinner with you today" and "I don't want to go to dinner with you ever".
Against very common belief, you're the only one that knows what you're thinking, you need to be more clear about this stuff
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Is it my problem or his?
Posted: 11/24/2012 10:45:33 AM
First thing to understand, a strip club actually accomplishes less for a guy than going on the internet and finding a porn site. Some guys do go to them hoping the girl is coincidentally a hooker on the side, but that's so rare that you can safely assume that no guy is banging a stripper he meets in a club.
I'd go to one without him, and see what really goes on, and suddenly it won't seem that bad anymore. Most of it is just looking at a girl. Maybe one walks up to him and will put her arm around him, but it's an act, there's nothing sexual about it, we're just dumb and tip for that.
The only issue you might have is when they buy couch dances. Buy one, go see what they're like. If you've been in a dance club in the last 15 years, you'll see how harmless those are too, since dancing has evolved into a girl rubbing her ass on a guys crotch. You can actually get away with more in a dance club than with a stripper doing the same exact thing.
Most discomfort with strip clubs comes from not understanding exactly what's going on, and believing the common myths like "every girl has a price". If you actually go to one, you might be a lot more open to just letting him go.
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What is more important, compatibility or chemistry?
Posted: 11/24/2012 10:18:54 AM
Compatibility 100%. We obsess way too much on "chemistry". You're not going to find that on your first date, it takes time to build. You need to get to that point where you're just COMPLETELY yourself, no trying to impress each other, no trying to hide any habits / flaws...
Without compatibility, you'll RARELY get to that point where there is that chemistry.
Only problem is so many of us have it backwards. We want to meet someone who our first date flows like we've been married for 20 years, but it's just not going to happen.
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Why women can't say NO!!!
Posted: 11/24/2012 10:11:49 AM
Can I turn this question around, and ask why it's important to say no?
It would be different if you were married, say. But if you've just been chatting for a bit on here and the other person goes quiet? Well, they don't really owe you anything. As the name of the site reminds us, there's plenty of fish.
In fact, if you're having a lot of people flake out on you, perhaps it's good feedback and there's something you need to change.
Because hints can be missed or taken the wrong way. Because silence can mean that you're busy and just haven't had a chance to respond yet, or very commonly when it comes to this type of communication, you don't even know you have the message. Because we'd rather be rejected then led on.
The thread is about the actual rejection and the habit of finding a way to dodge the issue instead of saying what the woman really feels.
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how do i tell him to leave me alone?
Posted: 11/23/2012 10:08:56 PM
In this scenario, it's clear the OP is asking HOW TO SAY NO without causing strife to HIM as well as prevent any future issues.
If a guy likes a girl, they're dating, the guy thinks it's going great, but the girl doesn't... There's no way to not hurt him. It's just a reality we deal with if we want to date... We get hurt, but then we get over it and move on. Not everyone is going to like us, and it's not always going to be a mutual feeling that it isn't working out.
And dumping a guy doesn't create a stalker. Unless the guy is already showing stalker habits, you know, going places to make sure she really went out where she says she did, making calls / texts from other people's phones, making fake facebook accounts.... There's no reason to think the guy is going to become a stalker, and if he does, a simple call to the cops does a great job of handling that.
Guys are easy to understand. Just read through this thread, look at how many of us answered with saying to just come out and say it. It's when people send that mixed wanting to break up, but not wanting to say it, that causes all the mess. Why does the guy keep chasing after the girl that doesn't want to date him? Because "I'm not looking to date right now" and "I'm not interested in dating you" have two entirely different meanings to his potential relationship with her. With a guy, just being blunt and saying exactly what's on your mind is usually the best way to handle stuff. The longer things drag on, the more chance you have of the guy getting mad later when you FINALLY just tell him what you've been trying to hint.
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how do i tell him to leave me alone?
Posted: 11/23/2012 1:35:42 PM
How does a woman “forget” a man she never knew?
Gawd! The melodrama! All you need now is some cheese and a violin.
im_a_rockstar….if you take the briefest look at his posting history, his intent should be obvious to you.
You don't have to know someone to ignore them.
But on topic, seriously, what is with you women and your answer to the op being literally everything BUT telling the guy she doesn't want to date him? Clearly, avoiding telling him isn't working, and over time, maybe you'll realize that not saying things just doesn't accomplish anything.
The difference between me and you and I take myself out of a situation and can look at what's going on around me. But maybe we need a few hundred more threads about women just completely vanishing because they met someone better before you start to understand exactly what that guy was talking about. If the answer to everything else in life is "just ignore it and it'll go away" what makes the OPs situation any different?
And the crazy part, is this entire argument in every form that it comes up, and all the threads like this one, would never have to come up or be questioned if you women would just learn how to be honest.
Take the OP, she's been dating the guy already. "I don't want to date you" is seriously how simple solving her entire issue is. BUT, most of you would rather dodge that, probably because it's too easy and the guy will actually know what's going on in your head when you say that.
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Ex-girlfriend won't give back deceased mothers ring
Posted: 11/23/2012 10:42:34 AM
This is a really good idea. Catching flies with honey and all that..
That solution is kind of like the idea of making more strict gun laws so that criminals stop using them to kill people..
If she had the intention of giving the ring back, he would have it back. He doesn't matter to her. When you read his story, the type of girl she is really shows. They had problems and decided to be friends, but she still acted like the gf, and then had another guy on the side.... It looks like she was the type of person that's using guys.
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Why women can't say NO!!!
Posted: 11/23/2012 10:29:05 AM
Maybe Op.....it is because so many men are just boys, and think with their small brains, and are willing to keep trying to get what they want by thinking......"if I hit on 100, maybe one or two will say yes".......so, keep hitting and trying!
Eventually, most of these men, actually grow up, and stop those games and seek the women that are their equals, and know how to say no as it should be, and that means by being kind enough to let the other person know what you are thinking and why, in such a way that you need not be offended, or have your fragile ego hurt. It is called being sophisticated, and more should try it, and think with their large brain first!!
So, no means no, and I have no problems with hearing it, saying it and understanding it, because I would not spend my time being set up for something that will bother me that much in the first place and or accomplish nothing more than a no.
While your post makes sense, those "equals" aren't too common when it comes to online. A lot of people hate when I say this, but we're all here for a reason, and that reason is NOT everyone else in the world. For every one of us, there was something about us that made us think "maybe trying a dating site will work". We're not the people who are socially perfect, we're not the people that don't come with baggage... We're the people who were the quiet kids in highschool, we're the people who rarely dated, we're the people who had interests that were outside of the "normal" stuff, we're the people who treated everyone like crap because we thought it was funny...
The people like you're talking about, you're not going to find that many of them here. It's part of the reason that these sites from a male perspective have to be somewhat of a numbers game. It doesn't mean message every girl on here, you should have an actual interest in getting to know them, but it does mean that you don't just message one person and then wait around to see if she responds. The problem with looking for your equal is that you're going to message the person that while almost anyone will agree with you that they're hot, they're such a terrible person that nobody wants to date them, you're going to message the people who will be mean to you because "it's funny". You're going to message the people who don't know how to communicate. And the reason is because the attractive people who are genuinely nice, and act socially with ZERO problems at all, they're very easily meeting people offline.
There ARE women who can say no. But since a woman who actually knows how to be up-front and honest is in such a high demand, they're meeting guys off here, and the older we get, the more of them are married so we have no shot with them.
And I do put part of the blame on your generation too. You guys are the ones that raised us. You're the ones that raised the casts of all the MTV reality shows, you guys raised the people who are flocking to sites like this. Your generation made rules to where we weren't allowed to go to the park, or ride our bike to our friend's house. Where our generation needed to learn how to properly communicate, and to treat other people with respect and dignity, you bought all of us a Nintendo, or a computer, and let us lock ourselves in our rooms. A lot of us weren't told "no" enough, and were raised to believe that everything is about us. We were told to always reach for the stars, and that we can do or be anything, instead of being raised with more practical beliefs. Ofc we have our fair share of the blame, but there is a decent amount of the problem rooting from how our generation was raised.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 9:55:53 AM
LukeH, the pity party is wholely unattractive.
It seems like you might shoot yourself in the foot quite a bit here in the Pond...
I don't see a pity party... I see someone calling you women out on your answer to how to tell a guy you don't want to date him. Even a few women have said the same thing in here, to just ignore him until he goes away.
He's not looking for people to feel bad for him... He's basically saying that if you're all so comfortable just ignoring us and completely forgetting our existence, what's so hard about doing it with this one guy? It was a sarcastic response playing on your common trend of just not answer and hide in your little bubble.
But this thread should show a general idea of how different we're becoming. Notice how the "ignore him" or some other kind of evasive way of getting rid of him are typically from the women, and the guys are the ones typically saying to use her words and actually tell him that she's not interested in dating.
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If you're here for friends....
Posted: 11/23/2012 9:47:01 AM
They're not looking for friends. They're not looking to date. They're not looking to get laid.
Friendship doesn't care if someone is attractive or not. If you write to them and they respond, you're probably about to start being used.
But there's also the problem that we keep feeding this behavior. We think "That girl is hot, I need to know her", giving her a line of guys hoping she'll talk to them, and ofc, she becomes very picky.... Because she can.
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Friendzone? Why do you men hate it that much?
Posted: 11/20/2012 9:13:31 PM
Why is it that they have suddenly terminated "your friendship" without your approval?? Isn't it HYPOCRITICAL?? OH it must be because of the jealous boyfriend... and she afraid what are the other people are going to say, if she has a BF, but is out with another "guy friend".... right, BUT they will readily still go out with their other "girlfriends" for drinks without the BF!!! Have you thought about the meaning of that?? Any Double standards here??
Welcome to girls. That's just a common way they work. It's not because of the guy, and has absolutely nothing to do with him... You know that same habit of thinking that if you're out with a girl, that you're cheating on your gf? Well, it affects the girl that thinks like that too. But they do exist, I'm actually friends with a few girls who can still hang out with a guy while they have a boyfriend. But they're rare. The funny part about it, there's going to be women who argue against this post, who don't even realize that they're doing it to the guys they're friends with. They probly don't realize that it's been months since they even talked to them.
Don't waste your time on people like that. If she can't hang out with you while she has a boyfriend, forget she exists... She'll learn to not do that once they break up and she realizes she has no friends left.
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best proof she is std-free?
Posted: 11/19/2012 6:39:37 PM
From the CDC:
How common is genital herpes?
Genital herpes infection is common in the United States. Nationwide, 16.2%, or about one out of six, people aged 14 to 49 years have genital HSV-2 infection. Over the past decade, the percentage of persons with genital herpes infection in the United States has remained stable.
HSV-1 can cause genital sores too. The main difference between the two is where they're more commonly located and the type of sore.
The estimate is that about 80% of us have herpes. And during an HSV-1 outbreak, you CAN pass it to the other person through oral sex. You can even give yourself genital herpes if you use your saliva as "lube" when you're having an outbreak.
This is how uneducated we are about this stuff. And then, there's also the fact that most people don't even show symptoms, ever. You can have it and you'd never know your entire life.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 6:12:41 PM
I had a few situations like this before, and I learned that the best way is do slowly back off. Next time he calls, don't answer his call, wait until he calls the second time, pick up the phone and lie or have plans, and tell him you have plans with your parents, or family, etc. Make it a good one.
The next time he calls don't answer it, and do that for the next 3 times.
This is probably the worst thing you can do, especially if you're afraid of the guy becoming a stalker. This is exactly why so many of you have guys flip out on you.
First off, be honest. There is NEVER an excuse to lie. You can actually be honest and nice at the same time. But when you're just dropping hints that you don't want to see someone, you accomplish NOTHING. If you don't want to date someone anymore, just say so.
In the OPs situation, the right answer is to not even wait for him to call, she should call him (something apparently 99% of women are suddenly incapable of doing) and tell him that it's not working out, and she thinks they should both find someone else.
There, problem solved, she got rid of the guy she didn't want to date, she wasn't mean about it, everyone is OK.
I'm never going to understand what is so hard about just being honest once in a while. If you women catch a guy lying to you, you flip, yet your idea of the perfect advice on how to turn a guy down is to lie to him until he gives up. But that guy can't get mad that you're lying, or else he's creepy and a stalker, right?
People like you really need to grow up before you decide to start trying to date.
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Friendzone? Why do you men hate it that much?
Posted: 11/19/2012 6:02:37 PM
For a man to be friends with a woman, he has to be 1- Gay, or 2- a Wuss, accepting to being a friend, while HOPING to jump in when she becomes available, or dumps her BF of for some hidden ulterior motive. Cuz frankly, what kind of man would want to go out with the same woman regularly, and talk about shoes, shopping sprees, the Kardashian, dancing with the stars, and what Paris Hilton is wearing on the Red carpet?? Just a wuss
Wow... Way to make us guys look bad.
It's not true at all. I'm not gay, far from it, and I'm not a wuss. But I have some women friends. We don't go shoe shopping (except that one time I broke my shoe), or do any of the girly stuff. We go drink, play pool, one of them plays "surprise wing man" once in a while... A lot of women are actually into a lot of stuff that guys are into. And since you'll quickly bring it up, yes, straight women. It doesn't always have to be about sex and dating. I have some friends that are girls, that I think are really hot, but because of how I met them and stuff like that, I'm only going to see them as friends. When you're not pathetic, it's actually possible.
But being friends with women and being in the friend zone are two different things. Being friends is a mutual friendship, being friend-zoned is typically the girl lacking the balls to turn you down, but she plays along, leading you on, with no intention of ever even actually being friends.
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Posted: 11/19/2012 5:50:36 PM
If you listen to PoF, everyone is cheating on you, everyone is manipulative, basically, everyone is a bad person.
Literally anything could have happened. We weren't there to talk to his ex, so it's really hard to say anything about this. She might have just not felt ready having her daughter meet you yet since from your posts it seems like it hasn't really been that long yet (it IS her kid too). Maybe she was just really busy and was letting him take the ride with her so that he could see the kid, and it was just that plans had to change.
Either way, getting mad and throwing a tantrum is ALWAYS the wrong thing to do. Stay calm, talk calmly, and actually get the details of what's going on before you flip out about it. You should have said that you wanted to meet his kid and ask why the plans had to change...
If he's still around now, you're lucky. Learn from this, learn to stay calm, learn to trust him (or leave him if you don't because it's not fair to him to have to put up with having someone question every little thing he does)...
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What makes a girl go from dating material to girlfriend material to wife material?
Posted: 11/19/2012 5:37:07 PM
It's not always sex first. We can tell quick if someone is worth going for or if sex is the only thing we'd be interested in.
Mainly it comes down to your personality and the kind of person you are. If you're too aggressive sexually, then we're going to see you as a sex toy, but if you're at the other extreme, we're going to see you as not being emotionally capable of something serious.
We're all human, we all look for the same companionship. Too many women though, have this idea that sex is the way to attract us. Now, I'm not gonna lie, almost every guy LOVES sex, if you're attractive, and you're offering it, we're your best friend, but that's what we're going to see you as, sex.
We look for stability, someone we can trust, those of us capable of handling a relationship with RL existing want to still have our freedom and friends... We want someone that we actually want to spend that time with.
So basically, the thing that makes a girl become "girlfriend material" is having the personality and lifestyle that we're looking for in another person. Then for marriage, a lot of guys tend to look for stability, life goals, basically, someone that we actually want to spend the rest of our life with.
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best proof she is std-free?
Posted: 11/17/2012 11:36:03 AM
our highschool classes about sex and STD's... proof our education system is terrible.
First off, most of us have herpes (up to 80% of people are estimated to have it). A lot of us that do have herpes have HSV-2 (genital herpes). Out of the people with genital herpes, most people will never show a single sign of having it, meaning, any one of you can have it and not know.
HPV is almost as common, and they expect that throughout their life, up to 80% of women will come in contact with some strain of it. But to add a lot of perspective to it, there are over 120 different types of HPV, only 15 cause cancer. A few give some cosmetic inconveniences like warts, but most show no symptoms and don't really do too much, then your body kills off the virus, and you're fine.
Then the last BIG scare is HIV. This is where our education on it was TERRIBLE. Ofc, always use protection and be careful, but here's what you don't learn in school. The chances of a woman getting HIV from an infected male through vaginal sex (one time) is around 1 in 1,000 (but it increases the more you have sex because of more chance of contact and more exposure to the virus). And the odds that guy is HIV+, the chances of us catching it from an infected woman through vaginal sex is extremely low. Our chances of getting hit by lightning tonight are actually higher, but there is still a chance. (again, assuming one time). Most of it's spread is through things like anal sex because tearing and bleeding ALWAYS happens, and sharing needles, someone bleeding all over your face, blood transfusions before the higher testing standards, and stuff like that.
So a summary of this: Odds are, she has an STD, and so do you. But the chances of any of the dangerous ones are actually very low. You're just taught to treat everyone like they're infected because there's always that chance that the one time you come in contact, you catch whatever they had.
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When they ask you how many people are you talking to?
Posted: 11/17/2012 11:07:43 AM
Why would anyone think they didn't have competition? It's personal until you're talking a few times - and no answer is fine, telling them you're not going to answer it is fine and "no one special" is also sufficient. I always assume there are other women someone's talking to especially in a first or second conversation; it's common sense there would be - why even ask?
This isn't just normal every day conversation that you have while you're randomly out at the store. This is a site where there's people looking specifically for relationships, looking specifically for something long-term.
Leaving out the people who just have to know for no reason, or the one's who expect everyone to only talk to them:
It's about wasting someone's time. If someone is looking for something long term, and it's more likely that you're going to end up with a different guy, this is the stuff people need to know... Because someone looking for something long term isn't looking to just casually date you until you decide some other guy is your boyfriend, or just be friends. Either you're giving HIM the shot at a relationship, or he wants to find someone else who is going to. And this might come as a big surprise, but most people expect being exclusive VERY EARLY in dating. Dating another person shows a lack of interest... A lot of people assume that if a second date happens, you're committed to trying to make something work with that specific person, otherwise, you're just wasting their time.
Again, I'm sure that if everyone learned how to actually be honest and communicate with each other, nobody would ever ask questions like that... But since the cool thing to do now is to just leave everyone completely in the dark, is it any surprise that questions like that are suddenly coming up from people?
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I don't want a boyfriend or anything?
Posted: 11/16/2012 3:52:02 PM
and when I come back she won't reply to any of my texts or calls. I don't understand but don't get too hurt about it. I see her on pof again figure I message her. I say why you ignore me she says she doesn't know what I mean
Assuming "she won't reply to any of my texts or calls" means that it was over a decently long period of time (at least a week). If it was only a day, then you blew it and "i don't want a boyfriend" means that you blew it, and she does want a boyfriend, just not you:
She has a "boyfriend". It's in quotes because usually they do actually become a boyfriend. And she knows exactly what you meant, she only agreed to go because you called her out on it and she was put on the spot to prove that she actually wants to talk to you like she would have claimed she did.
Stop feeding these girls that do stuff like this. If she wanted ANYTHING to do with you, she would have answered your calls and texts, even crazier, she might have been the one to call or text you instead of the other way around. She's not interested in dating you, and I'm willing to bet a lot of money that she's not interested in being your friend either.
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Why did he block me
Posted: 11/16/2012 3:45:55 PM
If the block wasn't accidental, then he lost interest and lacked the balls and respect to be a big enough man to tell you. Forget him and move on, he's not worth any decent person's time.
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When they ask you how many people are you talking to?
Posted: 11/16/2012 3:38:50 PM
Yeah, when I first joined and was talking to several guys at the same time, trying to narrow my search down. I was asked that question too. And I answered that no that he wasn't the only person I was talking to. This one guy still managed to continue to talk to me and now we're good friends and hoping to meet one day.
And this is exactly why I think people ask. It's a dating site, we're here to date. Who wants to waste their time chasing someone that might be just about to decide to only go for one guy?
If it wasn't always such a surprise with blowing off dates because you suddenly have a boyfriend, I don't think that question would ever realistically come up. But if women want to play the numbers game, then they have to take the negative that comes with it.
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Demanding strangers, who want to meet within hours, want phone numbers, etc.
Posted: 11/16/2012 3:35:12 PM
Right, let's all get paranoid about our safety and nobody trade phone numbers with each other. I'm sure that'll get us far.
A phone number is just that, a phone number. What am I gonna do with your cell phone number, call you?
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Demanding strangers, who want to meet within hours, want phone numbers, etc.
Posted: 11/16/2012 2:52:21 PM
why block her number? What, she doesn't want guys she met on a dating site to ask her out? We seem like we still have a very immature approach to phone numbers, like it's a guarantee of a relationship, like how it was back in 4th grade.
She seems more like someone that's paranoid than someone that's cautious. If you're hiding your phone number, what else are you hiding? A husband? You're trying to scam guys? What are you afraid of?
At some point, we need to grow up. Don't give out your address, meet only in well lit public, but not overcrowded places, make sure there's always someone that knows where you are... And leave the paranoia at home.
The guy was right, she's trying to control everything, there's more to the story than we know about.
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When they ask you how many people are you talking to?
Posted: 11/16/2012 2:45:37 PM
I don't see it as controlling, more of a "thank your past" type of thing.
At one time, we actually only dated one person at a time and gave them a chance to see what they're like before we moved on. When you're talking to and dating more than one person, it brings up the question of "what was the other person for?" Were you really interested in the chance of something forming from it, or was he just free dinner, or was he texts and phone calls the guy you like better could accidentally find out about to make him more aggressive?
Honestly, I see not being able to tell someone else from the start that they're not the only person is showing that you have something to hide. If you're talking to and dating other people, but that individual person has an equal shot as the rest, then you should have no problem telling them the truth.
And not just that, who wants to invest time dating someone just for them to end up with someone else? A lot of people want to know this stuff because they don't want to waste their time hoping that they're the better choice out of the other 5.
When it comes to taking that step towards dating, you need to treat it differently than just randomly having conversations with people on a dating site.
And the same comes up when it comes to only talking. We're not here for friends, you don't go to a dating site because you want a new friend, you go to a dating site because you want to date. And people don't want to waste their time. If you're already dating a few other people, odds are, they're going to have the priority in your life, so the new guy isn't going to get anywhere with you.
I agree, it's a messed up question to ask, but I can see exactly where they're coming from with it. It's just another case where if everyone was just open and honest with people, it would have never got this far.
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I'm pregnant but I want to date
Posted: 11/16/2012 1:49:54 PM
I'm looking for a amature man/or woman to get to know me no matter the situation, granted it would take an extremely mature one,c but not completely impossible
But this is where you're going to have a constant uphill struggle to find one and keep him. Since your kid is starting to get a little older it'll get easier, but for the OP, and especially now, being a good parent kind of shatters your ability to put the time into forming a relationship with someone.
It can happen, but if you're responsible, it's going to be very hard... And a lot of people are going to try to take advantage of that. You don't have the time to go out every night, so maybe you'll let them go to your house, and they can get you in bed.... Meanwhile the mature person can only be put off for so long, and you understand how unpredictable life can be when you're taking care of a kid.
And honestly, I have no idea where I was going with any of this.
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When they ask you how many people are you talking to?
Posted: 11/16/2012 1:38:24 PM
I mean, I talk to men ALL the time. I dont keep count and it is none of anyone else's business. I know many think its a good ice breaker but after the millionth time being asked, it gets pretty stupid.
I think the question in the OP was more of "how many guys are you talking to with the intention of possibly leading up to dating".
Again, that number is nobody's business. But if a guy has competition, it's nice to let him know. (and guys should do the same for women)
Make sure you're both on the same page when it comes to dating and everything. Way too many people waste their time on someone to get blown off on a date to finally get an explanation a few days later of "I have a bf/gf now". Nobody would be asking you guys that stuff if you would just communicate. You'd be amazed at how much one simple sentence can accomplish.
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How old is too old to still be living with your parents? Would you date someone that still did?
Posted: 11/16/2012 1:28:07 PM
Nah, it's judgmental.
Hit one rough patch in life, and then look back on that post.
All it takes is one trip to the ER and then you're so in debt that you have to move back home. I'm happy for you that you moved out when you were 21 and everything worked out for you, but that's not always the case. Unemployment happens, medical bills happen... You can end up having to move back home tomorrow.
There's a difference between living with your parents and living off of your parents. Most women in these threads don't understand that difference.
Also, cultural difference exist. Come to NJ, it's more common for people to live home until marriage than to move out.
And then there's other situations that come up... Like the hurricane we just got. That storm moved a lot of people back in with family, because their house just isn't there anymore. And so many people are looking for homes now that if you're with family, you're probably staying there for a while, because there's more people looking for homes than homes right now.
You judge a man's worth by if he moves out or not... I moved out when I was 24, one friend when he was 21, another two when they were 23... We're all struggling with debt, working whatever crappy job we can get to be able to pay the rent. And then I have two friends, one only just moved out last year at 29, and the other still lives with his parents and he's 35. The first one owns a successful business and he's making about $80k / year. The second also owns a business, and is getting married next year and is looking to buy a house, paying in full up-front.
You might want to learn to look beyond where they live, and get to know the actual person. You're single because you're judging people based on where they live and passing up great people. There's a lot who live at home just because they don't want to live alone and they trust their parents over some random stranger, and living with friends ends in a big headache since you're not going to let your friend go homeless because they can't pay their part of the rent, but SOMEONE has to pay their part of the rent.
And if that financial stability to move on your own never comes, fine... But you better be paying your parents for letting you stay there and doing your share of work around the house. Parents CAN be roommates.
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Posted: 11/16/2012 1:11:54 PM
If you're running out of stuff to say by the third message, then you clearly aren't good at carrying a conversation. There's nothing wrong with that, and it's nothing to feel bad about. Some people are just like that.
You need to meet a woman who can carry the conversation, but honestly, a dating site is NOT the place to find one. I'd honestly see if you have any friends that can help you out with meeting someone.
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When they ask you how many people are you talking to?
Posted: 11/16/2012 1:02:57 PM
I am talking to 1 other man. Strictly platonic and we havent even met. I just don't understand why people ask me this question. Honestly I don't care to know how many dates you went on last week if you are not my boyfriend. I'm just so annoyed right now :(
People like to know where they stand. If you're here looking for a relationship, then that's what you want, not just random dates.
Any other guy you're dating is potentially the person you end up with instead of them, which could lead to the feeling of having their time wasted or being used.
You don't have to only talk to one person at a time, you don't have to only date one person at a time... But you owe to everyone involved to be honest with them and let them know exactly where they stand.
Also remember, you're not the first person who's used some random excuse. You're not the first person who's acted a certain way. A lot more of us know when there's another guy involved than most women think... When you always respond to us quickly, no matter what you're doing, then suddenly you don't and it's because "I was out at a restaurant" when the night before you were texting us from a restaurant, we know it was a guy... Also because so many women out there are magically completely incapable of responding to a guy AT ALL (including guys with an already established friendship, and sometimes even family) when they're dating a guy, random silence for an extended period of time is VERY obvious.
I went a little off topic and addressed some women in general and not you at all, but you probably get my point.
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what can you learn about another person in just one meeting/date?
Posted: 11/15/2012 8:47:59 AM
Besides the "worst case" stories that you're getting for answers.... Not that much. Most people, it takes a decent amount of time to really know the other person... That's why you're not suddenly best friends with everyone you meet.
But when it comes to dating, superficial expectations tend to be the first thing you look for. Within 5 minutes you can know if you want to get someone naked, anything deeper than that, you typically will be clueless on until you see them a few more times.
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Friendzone? Why do you men hate it that much?
Posted: 11/14/2012 7:31:10 AM
They only appear arrogant because they have the confidence to approach the women and you don't.
No, you got it backwards... They only appear like they have that "nice" side to them because the girl likes them.... Same way that we overlook personality flaws in women, they do the same thing with men. The general rule: If they seem like a jerk, they are.
Are you going to say that a guy that approaches a girl on a date with someone else isn't arrogant? That a guy that interrupts a conversation between a guy and a girl to get the girl before the other guy is just misunderstood in what he's doing? And for some reason, a lot of girls eat that up... And then when the first guy sticks up for himself, he's the one who did something wrong to her. I've worked around bars, you have no idea how much I've had to just witness stuff like that happening and not be able to step in and tell the girl off for the guy :(
Confident and arrogant are two different things. There has to be boundaries. Nobody is above social etiquette.
But that out of the way, these guys aren't getting the girl because they're confident... I'm a nice guy, and I get dates, clearly you don't have to be a jerk about it. They're getting these girls because that "bad boy" image is so glorified in our society. Everyone wants to be the one person that someone changes for, the only person that the jerk is nice to. And this isn't only women, we do it too. Collectively, we tend to be attracted to pretty terrible women.
We see stability as boring.
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How old is too old to still be living with your parents? Would you date someone that still did?
Posted: 11/12/2012 6:33:43 PM
I think the moment you reach maturity and are of legal age then you should be out, even if it means living with room mates. I think it's really pathetic when people are still living with their parents.
I wish I was as rich as you when I was 18... Around where I live, if you can afford to live with roommates when you're in your 20s, you're lucky. Those lines like "it's really pathetec when people are still living with their parents" guess what, not everyone has daddy to buy them every single thing so they can save all this money.
You girls are INSANELY judgmental, and obviously that's why you're single... It's more responsible to wait until you're financially ready to move out than to just move out because IM 18 SO I SHOULDN'T LIVE WITH MY PARENTS.
And roommates aren't fun. You find some crazy ones out there, people get screwed over and stuck with leases for houses they can't pay for alone, etc... Why rush? To impress you, someone who's probably going to leave at the first sign of any personal flaw?
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