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 Author Thread: Why men don´t want to get committed these days
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 376 (view)
 
Why men don´t want to get committed these days
Posted: 5/25/2008 5:38:53 PM
I don't think there are a lot of women holding their breath for a man to propose marriage anymore......and a lot more are realizing they can be happy without a 24/7 initimate relationship. They are busy getting an education, advancing their careers and building their pensions for a comfortable retirement. I would be hard pressed to find a man capable of supporting me in the lifestyle that I currently enjoy, not to mention the fear of him robbing me of my current assets.

There are even less women who are willing to devote 50 years of their life as a homemaker, only to be left living in poverty at the end of their lives and told that their contribution to the "family bounty" mean't nothing and was worth nothing.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 362 (view)
 
Why men don´t want to get committed these days
Posted: 5/25/2008 12:38:18 PM
Men and women consider so few things when they make a decision to marry. When my daughter and son-in-law wanted to get married........I asked them, on what basis did they arrive at that decision, and they said they were in love and they wanted to spend the rest of their lives together. You know, the type of stuff that fairly tales are spun from. I explained to them that love was not enough, if they were planning to add a couple of children to their equation of love...........they had better come up with some very serious strategic planning, enhanced communication skills and learn some skills for conflict resolution. Do men and women ask enough questions of each other before marriage.............I say NOT?

Here is a condensed list, and I am sure other posters on this forum can add more.

1. Do you want a marriage with "traditional roles" or "interchangable roles?"
2. What skills do each of you bring to the table such as the ability to earn money for the "family bounty", cooking, cleaning, budgeting, caring for the other when they are sick or emotionally distressed, house and vehicle repairs, social events planning for family and friends?
3. What will be the division of labor for household chores, financial planning for current and future expenses?
4. If she is a stay-at-home mother and wife during the early child rearing years.......will he still recongnize and honor his wife as an equal contributor to the "family bounty".
5. What do each of you know about raising children and child development, and are you both willing to share the responsibility?
6. Do each of you know when to give the other some space and alone time?
7. When your sex life becomes eratic due to demanding responsibilites and fatigue....how far will you go to ensure the flaming lust for each other remains in tact.
8. How will you handle it if an outsider male or female tries to draw you away from your lifetime partner.......will you become weak or stand your ground in favor of your lifetime partner?
9. How will you handle it if members of your "family origin" start bad-mouthing, belittling or demeaning your partner?
10. What is your partners sense of fairness, family values, morals and level of commitment and conviction to their beliefs.
11. What if your spouse becomes disabled or suffers from a lengthy illness?
12. And for an even dozen elements to consider before marriage.........what interests do you jointly share, cause the family that plays together, STAYS TOGETHER.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 310 (view)
 
Why men don´t want to get committed these days
Posted: 5/24/2008 8:15:33 PM
Marc........

The less blunt way, assuming that the male in question has half of a brain, is to hit the book store and look into books. Or to talk about all of the new things that you want to try!

If a man feels like he isn't getting enough sex he's probably going to assume that the woman isn't open to new things. This generally isn't at all true, but most people try to deflect feelings of inadequacy... and a lot of men seem like they have sexual inadequacies that they try to hide/bury.


Thank you Marc.......you have made a very valid point here. Some men and women like to explore their sexuality and others just don't want to progress past a certain level. Books are a great beginning, but so is experience.........why do you suppose there are so many young men trying to date older women (cougars). It's because they want to experience what an older woman knows about sexuality.

I dated a man my age for quite some time who could not move past the "missionary postion." There was only one way to do it according to him...........at that was it, there was no further conversation to be had in his mind anyway. Well, ya know, if I have to stroke a man's ego too.........they are just to darn high maintenance for me.

So Marc..........I guess your not about to share any of those brownies with us!!!!
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 154 (view)
 
rich man poor man and how they treat you
Posted: 5/23/2008 11:56:50 PM
Bravo bacalao!!!

I agree, it doesn't matter if they are rich are poor..........it has more to do with the "family values" they were raised and influenced with, their sense of conviction and morals.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 113 (view)
 
Does True Love Ultimately Require Marriage?
Posted: 5/23/2008 11:31:55 PM
A successful marriage requires much more than just "true love"..........it requires the wisdom and insight of two people who can communicate and compile a strategic plan from start to finish.

Fairy Tales are for people who want to be blinded by fairy dust. JMO
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 453 (view)
 
Marriage, men are stupid for entering into this(proof)
Posted: 5/23/2008 9:51:58 PM
GrandmaBooBoo...........

I was still quite young at the time so it's sheer speculation, but I strongly believe that much of the distress over having a working wife was that if she became capable of supporting herself...then she would be less tolerant of....abuses, cheating, neglect, etc. LOL! geeee....kinda sounds like today huh? What is so sad however, is that men have gotten smarter...but so many women still can't see the cycle.


I think you hit the nail on the head when you say that a woman capable of supporting herself would have nothing standing in her way from leaving the marriage if there was abuse, cheating and neglect...........and that is largely why men back then didn't want a woman having the advantage of PAID employment, thus enslaving her to his every beckoning call. Yes, many women still can't see the cycle of how they are blindly lead like lambs to a slaughter house in the name of holy matrimony.

Quite often, the abuse, cheating and neglect will occur when the children come and if a woman is not active in paid employment, she is seen by her husband as not contributing to the "bounty of the family." But after years of being a stay-at-home mother and wife, her husband has become too comfortable with the white glove service that she has provided in caring for the home, meal preparation, children and keeping the fires burning which welcome his return from his PAID employment. Then the wife tries to re-gain her career, but it is nearly impossible because he has become so co-dependant on her services and refuses to lend a hand to free up any of her time.
This is also the time when the arguing and abuse cycle begins again. Again, she is stone-walled from contributing to the "family bounty" by becoming engaged in PAID employment.

With all things in nature, we must always give back what we take.......and thats all I gotta say about that.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 221 (view)
 
Why men don´t want to get committed these days
Posted: 5/23/2008 7:49:25 PM
Wonka......


The problem is that if you proclaim that you do not need someone, you must, essentially, say it like this:

"I don't need you."

No matter how you slice it, it comes across as offensive. It doesn't matter if it's quantified with "...but I want you", because by then the person you're talking to is no longer listening.


There was a whole thread done on this subject of men want to be needed, yet not one man could clearly identify what he wanted to be needed for. Then they did a flip flop and said they just wanted to be wanted..........so I'm still scratching my head on this one. In all my years on planet earth, I've not met a man yet that actually wanted to be needed......and most of the men I've met have had the attitude of "what's in it for me."
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 444 (view)
 
Marriage, men are stupid for entering into this(proof)
Posted: 5/23/2008 12:16:21 PM
Thanks shieldvulf.........I appreciate your acknowledgement, thoughts and kind words.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 441 (view)
 
Marriage, men are stupid for entering into this(proof)
Posted: 5/23/2008 10:30:20 AM
GrandmaBooBoo........I wanted to thank you personally for sharing your story with us and that I have great respect for a woman with strong convictions, such as yourself. I am curious.... in what year was your CSEA case heard in the county that you lived in, and what county was it?

I know that men from the 50's to 60's had a strong "sense of entitlement" back then, they could marry a woman, have a nest full of children and walk away with no reprocussions of any sort. It was an insult to a man's ego if their wife worked outside of the home. A wife was not compensated for her loss of career or support for the children which he usually left her with.

My father who worked (6 weeks in camp and 1 week at home) on the oil rigs in Northern Canada would quite often not send money home to my mother, because he usually drank it up sitting in the pubs during his time off. My mother would quite often run short on food for us children. It was so bad at times that she picked and cooked "pig weed" and snared rabbits for food......and I seen her go hungry herself many times, so us kids would have more. My oldest brother resorted to stealing food from the local store and raiding people's gardens. She got a part-time job and my grandparents looked after us during that time. When my father got home, my grandparents gave my father "a good tougue lashing" for not providing for his family.

That evening when we all got back home, my father beat my mother badly and locked her out of the house for working outside the home and then proceeded to beat my brother with a willow switch for stealing food. My mother walked 2 miles to the local hospital and it took a month in hospital for her to recover from her injuries. There was no such thing as a "women's shelter" back then.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 433 (view)
 
Marriage, men are stupid for entering into this(proof)
Posted: 5/22/2008 6:52:54 PM
Yah, it's called the First Wives Club
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 98 (view)
 
Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house
Posted: 5/22/2008 11:00:17 AM
Hi neiby.....

My comment was mean't to be sexist, to provoke a little thought for both genders. Although I wouldn't expect a man I was dating to extend any of his handyman skills to me, I would have some expectations once in a relationship.

My ex thought that tools were at their ultimate best when displayed on peg board above the carpenter bench in the garage. However, I had a different concept of when tools were at their ultimate best.......and rarely missed an opportunity to learn, making me the female version of Tim Taylor.

I purchased an older home 11 years ago, knowing that maintenance and repairs would be in the long term forecast. So, now I can swing a pretty mean hammer shingling a roof or building a new fence, minor plumbing (always remember sewer runs downhill), and I am just darn dangerous when it comes to electricity. I can replace & repair drywall, paint the kitchen and be an evening gown and heels by 7:00 p.m.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 355 (view)
 
To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 5/22/2008 9:55:41 AM
David....

Men often acquiesce to women's terms because they're afraid
they'll lose the relationship.


I agree that men need to set boundaries in their relationships with women as well. I would not be comfortable in a relationship where a man let me walk all over him at the expense of his feelings and/or his better judgement. I would begin to wonder who else he lets walk all over him.........it's about maintaining respect and dignity for himself, which reflects upon his family as well. If men fear loosing their relationship, then maybe it wasn't worth as much as he thought it was. JMO
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 352 (view)
 
To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 5/21/2008 12:09:27 PM
David........Although I think I know what you are trying to say, defiance and obediance are probably fairly harsh terms with today's way of thinking between men and women. These are typically terms used when dealing with children, who are lacking in knowledge and experience until they reach adulthood.

Yes, I do see it a lot in today's society where men in relationships can't or won't take the lead on certain issues in the relationship. I am not sure if they are lacking in skills or it is easier to let her do everything........and point the finger in blame when things go wrong.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 75 (view)
 
Guys who can't or won't fix things around the house
Posted: 5/21/2008 10:18:51 AM
A man who can't or won't learn to fix things around the house is like a woman who can't or won't learn how to do the laundry. So, if he doesn't mind wearing the same dirty, smelly clothes every day, then she shouldn't mind the roof leaking when it rains.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 45 (view)
 
Are Married Men Healthier and Happier
Posted: 5/19/2008 7:12:03 PM

Now that gay marriage is okee dokee


It's called equal rights for all, which means that gay people have the same rights as straight people to loose everything they have worked for as well.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Finally! The Wife's Bill of Rights has been published!
Posted: 5/16/2008 7:34:40 PM
Well, the Husband's Bill of Rights seems fair to me, but what is this obsession that boys and men have with flatulance.

I took my 4 year old grandson to the grocery story and yup, you guessed it, he let one escape, then laughed hysterically and looked up at me smiling. Everyone slowly moved away from us and started staring at me..........I guess they just couldn't believe that big of stinker could come out of a little boy. Ah well, Grandma has the rest of her life to get him back for that one.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 2 (view)
 
Finally! The Wife's Bill of Rights has been published!
Posted: 5/16/2008 7:00:25 PM
Capitano, I think we need the Husband's Bill of Rights just for comparative notes or a good laugh. I'm the only one stupid enough to open that can of worms.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 61 (view)
 
stay in relationship until new person comes along
Posted: 5/16/2008 2:20:48 PM
meteor 54.............

OP, you are describing PLAYERS.


Yup, I would have to agree. One of the lowest forms of human being on the totem pole, and they don't even know it.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 167 (view)
 
Of which astrological sign are most divorced people?
Posted: 5/16/2008 11:24:48 AM
This is an interesting thread. I like to dabble with the Chinese Zodiac as there are some very discernable traits there as well.

I would have to say Gemini people are the most likely to be divorced........they are very intellectual, but always seems to be searching for something they can never find.

I am a Virgo and have never met a Cancer or Pisces person that I didn't like.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 54 (view)
 
Wife wants me to find a friend with benifits
Posted: 5/16/2008 10:15:46 AM
blue.....

You both need to talk get a check up and see if there is another option for you.


My thoughts exactly blue, and it is a good piece of advice IMO. It sounds like both you and your wife have some health concerns that need addressing and she probably is suggesting a FWB out of guilt.........when men/women love each other, they don't enjoy seeing the other suffer. She probably does not understand the full impact of her solution to your problem..........but when the "bomb of betrayal" explodes before her eyes, somebody is going to
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 87 (view)
 
Woman paying for dinner = Payoff?
Posted: 5/15/2008 10:35:04 PM
Oh my, what is a lady to do......to pay or to not pay? Will he be offended or won't he?
Dating causes my brain to hurt sometimes

I usually just pay my share of the tab on a first meeting or date. Both are meeting to see if there is potential interest in pursuing a friendship, and that is how I look at it. If he is offended by it, I would hope that he would voice his concern.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 159 (view)
 
Been married for 20 years, feel empty.
Posted: 5/15/2008 1:08:22 PM
Hi supertacu........I can very much relate to your feeling of emptiness within the confines of marriage, but there are no guarantees that you will find what you need from other people, or even by divorcing.

I feel your pain in the words you write about your sons showing you very little respect and their father not promoting any respect for you. The respect that parents need to promote to their children while raising them is critical to the mental health of both parents. If your husband is not stepping up to the plate as a disciplinarian and always leaving it up to you............you will always look like the "bad guy." He needs some lessons in parenting and to develop some skills on how to take the "lead" and provide support to the mother of his children, when she is attempting to lead. As well, it doesn't sound like he is attempting to lead by example.

Anyway best wishes for your future.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 28 (view)
 
Is your soul just too old?
Posted: 5/14/2008 8:33:33 PM
woobytoodsday.............I am sorry, I can feel no compassion, sympathy or understanding for you who promotes an oriental culture that murders their female children because they are burden to their fathers. They provide no gainful employment for females and make slaves of men who have to work 60 to 80 hours per week to see their families through. The Chinese culture has murdered so many females that men are turning to homosexuality to satisfy their needs. Many chinese women are trying to escape the imbalance, and I hope we can welcome them. Men, who are too weak to correct the imbalance and are subjected to a political power beyond their control.

You only wanted your sorry arse to be taken care of at the expense of others............so seize your one minute of glory...........for it will last a lifetime. If the mods want to banish me for speaking out...............so be it!!!!!!!!
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 24 (view)
 
Is your soul just too old?
Posted: 5/14/2008 7:27:16 PM
Old souls inhabit young and old bodies...........but because of the numerous lives they have had through the centuries, they bear great wisdom that most others are too stupid to see.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 9 (view)
 
Is your soul just too old?
Posted: 5/14/2008 1:49:02 PM
Here is a little something I found on the internet...........


The particular life challenges and destined events that are the hallmark of being an old soul...

If you're an old soul you will undoubtedly be giving, caring loving and compassionate - all wonderful attributes that we are taught are the signs of a developed person who cares for others, and the actions that we take that may affect others.


I guess each person's view of what an old soul really is would depend on your beliefs or what you value most in life. JMO

Yes, I believe there are Angels amoung us.........some in life and some in death, but "old souls" guard it and keep it a closely guarded secret.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 350 (view)
 
To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 5/14/2008 9:56:51 AM
The old marriage vows of centuries ago are not completely applicable to the current way that men and women live together in a marriage or c/l relationship. Both, can bring/offer many skills to a relationship to ensure a successful, happy life for both concerned. In order for someone to take the lead, they need to be knowledgable in that particular area and/or willing to learn/gain more knowledge in order to gain the other persons trust. If someone is a poor money manager......their skills would be inadequate to lead another, which is why we end up consulting with a financial advisor.
Other skills might be:
-good knowledge of nutrition/cooking skills & meal planning
-child care & child development skills
-vehicle, home, yard maintenance
-politics & investments
-skills used in the workforce
-organizational skills, bargain shopping
-family gatherings & events planner
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 800 (view)
 
Would you Canadians move to the U.S,Would you Americans move to Canada if you met someone on here?
Posted: 5/13/2008 8:33:36 PM
Even though the U.S. is a beautiful country with many advantages for the average person.........I would never move or want to live in the U.S. Part of it is familiarity with this country Canada in which I grew up in. Another part is my patriotic views on Canada and it's people................it is the greatest melting pot of cultures. Another part is that I just love building Igloos in the winter.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 10 (view)
 
Why do some females choose to hurt people that love them.
Posted: 5/9/2008 3:26:44 AM
Your broken heart will mend in time ............however people who call themselves your friend (male or female) and betray your trust..........will never actually be your friend. Beware of friends who don't know the meaning of friendship!!! Look for someone more deserving of your friendship and your trust.

Good Luck & Best Wishes for your Future
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 346 (view)
 
To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 5/9/2008 12:13:58 AM
Ahhh yes, the traditional, but centuries old marriage vows taken between a man and a woman who were united in marriage.

TO LOVE....to listen and to understand each other with patience and virtue.

TO HONOR.....a man was to honor his wife for bearing his children, cooking, cleaning, for being a good mother and wife and any other skills that she could offer in the marriage.
TO HONOR....a woman was to honor her husband for being a good provider and father and any other skills that he could offer in the marriage.

TO OBEY......before the days of global communication, telephone, television...the man typically was better informed in political issues, possible outbreaks of war, criminal activities, and things that could bring disaster or devastation and could affect his wife and children. It was imperative in those days that a wife obeyed her husband for her own safety and the safety of their children. Women rarely ventured outside their homes, villages or towns and were not well versed in matters of politics or possible dangers.

TO LEAD OR TO BE LEADER.........two completely different things. A man was expected to take the lead in the matters of finances, financial planning for his future, her future and the futures of their children..............he typically consulted with his wife to obtain a harmonious decision.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 231 (view)
 
is sex something a woman offers in a relationship?
Posted: 5/7/2008 6:07:33 PM
Surely, a man who accepts sex in return for something is no better than a prostitute, himself!
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 377 (view)
 
Marriage, men are stupid for entering into this(proof)
Posted: 5/1/2008 11:15:19 PM
Well here's the thing about mens/womens bums............they are CRACKED and I have yet to determine if the "DEFECT" was intentional............when God showed up, he didn't seem to want to RECTIFY the problem

So, I only want one thing Capitano.........a whole new fecking analysis of the "situation."

Gads, I hope there are no thunderstorms tomorrow.........gotta watch out for those bolts of lightning that will strike you down when you say the wrong thing. You just never know when God is going to show up.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 375 (view)
 
Marriage, men are stupid for entering into this(proof)
Posted: 5/1/2008 8:14:44 PM
Capitano Blaugh..........

What do you all tell your kids? I realize that there are many here who believe that marriage or marriage-like relationships are a good thing, but given your experience, is it really a good thing to endorse and bring your kids to believe?


Gosh, you have a cute, red, bulbous nose Capitano!
Any how, telling your children about marriage and divorce...........I have had this experience. When my daughter & son-in-law wanted to get married.......I offered to take them both out for dinner and made them fully aware that our topic of discussion was to be marriage & divorce...........and for a free meal and a couple hours of their time, could they endure listening to my well-intentioned good advice? Most young adults have no concept or idea of the level of responsibility they have towards each other and/or their children in a marriage and/or divorce.........I, myself was lucky for having a Grandmother who took the time to explain it all to me.

Because I/you was/were divorced........children perceive their parents as a failure and therefore, not worth listening too. They don't want to hear the negatives, because they are so "in love" and can only emotionally handle talking about the positives. They listened, but also poo-pawed some of my advice. After they had been married for a few years and were running into difficulty...........they started asking me more questions. After 2 children came along and their level of responsibilty changed.......they both almost "shat their pants" and began asking more in-depth questions. All you can do........is be there for them when they need or want you. Originally, I didn't want my daughter to marry ever...........but she did mange to choose an honorable, decent, moral and responsible man who took his responsibilites as a provider, husband & father seriously. Yup.........I love my son-in-law as much as I love my daughter and I adore my 2 fine grandsons.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Do men's relationships with their mom's reflect how they treat women romantically?
Posted: 5/1/2008 7:17:54 AM
A woman is probably better off checking out his fathers' attitude towards women. If his father is disrespectful...........there is good chance he will be too. Just a thought.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 46 (view)
 
do u understand why people looking for sex bother with a site like this?
Posted: 5/1/2008 7:06:14 AM
I also and some other guys ran into prostitutes in here . Takes all kinds I guess . Why don't they screen them?


POF is probably a purrrrrfect place for hookers to come to...........lots of men looking for sex here, but they want it for free. POF should screen the men who are asking for sex but are too cheap to pay a hooker.

Just a thought
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 361 (view)
 
Marriage, men are stupid for entering into this(proof)
Posted: 5/1/2008 5:55:48 AM
The "institution of marriage" was originally created and defined by MEN.........if you don't believe me, do your own research.

The inception of "child support" was created and defined by MEN due to "low-quality"
males impregnating as many young females as they could...... and those males not taking their responsibilites as a "father" seriously. It was a period in history when birth control for women was almost non-existant and a huge burden was placed upon the state and country to support the "by accident children." The country became responsible for the costs to operate "orphanages" and then a "social services net" was created for those mothers who could not obtain "sustainable employment" to support the "by accident children".......but could provide the necessary skills for child care and child development.

Taxes increased and the financial burden was enormous to the government.....so MEN IN THAT ERA OF POLITICS legislated "child support" forcing men to become financially responsible for the children they had participated in creating. Very few men wanted custody of their children during this period of history and viewed them as baggage, and considered it a woman's responsibility ...............if you don't believe me, do your own research.

MEN created the "institution of marriage" and MEN created the inception of "child support"......................so MEN, blame your forefathers and not women and feminists.

Put the blame where blame is due

Still, till this day in 2008, men want frequent sex and with as many partners as possible. Gee, I wonder how they handled their "sex drives" back in the early 1900's, when there was no "birth control." Most husbands and wives had separate bedrooms in those days.............that's how they handled it. And if not, they usually had more children than they could comfortably care for.........well, 13 children out of 18 pregnancies usually lived.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 360 (view)
 
Marriage, men are stupid for entering into this(proof)
Posted: 5/1/2008 3:04:18 AM
Does anyone think if the majority of men collected child support for their children they would be any "less likely" of acting like a Pirahna..........as so many men on this thread have labeled women to be?

They would probably be "more likely" to spend the money on new cars, hunting for pu$$y, entertainment, clothing, etc. for themselves and deprive their children of food, proper shelter, clothing, education, extra-carricular activities outside of school etc. I have come into contact with men just like this...... who are collecting substantial payments of child support. Women don't usually whine about paying child support because they place more "value" on a child, than men historically have.

Here is a "case study" for your persual.......and it is a true story.
A father has "sole custody" and is receiving $500.00 per month for the support of one child (13 year old daughter) and he himself earns a substantial income ($58,000.00 per year) and works a day job with no overtime requirements.

He insists the daughter get a job so she can buy a new bed and new clothing for herself.
The daughter gets a job which requires her to work every evening Monday thru Friday for 3 hours and 4 hours on Saturdays. Her grades at school begin to drop and her father says nothing, but he insists she keep working the same amount of weekly hours if she wants a new bed and clothes.

The father rarely prepares meals on time so the daughter can have a healthy meal before she goes to work.........nor is there much food in the refrigerator because her father delays regular grocery shopping trips. Her father is a poor cook and eats most of his meals at restaurants. The house is filthy because he is a poor housekeeper. The father never ensures that his daughter is getting regular annual medical and dental checkups. The father buys himself a new car and meets a new woman who is so impressed that he has taken the responsibility of being a "single father." The father spends several evenings at his girlfriends' house and quite often does not make it back to his own home by early morning.

The daughter goes to school one day and collapses in the hallway..........and she is immediately taken to see the school nurse. She tells the nurse that she hasn't eaten for a few days and a guidance counsellor is called in............and the daughter explained her circumstances to the counsellor.

There are a lot of women paying child support, but they most certainly wouldn't whine about it, especially on a POF forum..........as long as they know the child is being taken care of. More and more men are gaining custody or "shared custody" of their children, so times are changing. There is nothing wrong with a father having custody of his children.........as long as he has the "skills" for ensuring his child's care and development.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 33 (view)
 
ladies who are `happily divorced`
Posted: 4/30/2008 9:41:04 PM
sably..........very well put and "ditto" for me too.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 207 (view)
 
is sex something a woman offers in a relationship?
Posted: 4/30/2008 7:30:41 PM
Here is GVS converted to GPS...........

It's been called the Golden Penis Syndrome. GPS is the condition that most men are taught and grow up with which leads them to believe that their penis is worth far more than a woman's vagina. This syndrome extends beyond the genetalia to the whole being of the possessor of the penis making that creature believe that he is more valuable than any creature who is born with a vagina.

Because GPS is learned, most often from older males, men grow up believing that they are blessing any female that comes close to or even sees the GP. It's a lot like people who demand payment for admission to see the Blessed Prophet who has miraculously appeared in the rhododendron in their back yard. The person who wants access is being given something that is very valuable, according to the mythology, and therefore must be made to pay as much as possible for the aforementioned access.

Unfortunately for those who hold out too long for payment, the penis wilts and is no longer as valuable as it once was and, contrary to the misguided belief of the possessor of said marvelous commodity, cannot command as high a price as untarnished gold.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Asking men and Women
Posted: 4/30/2008 4:25:31 PM

Women should be more emotionally stable than men since we are not allowed to show our emotions anywhere but at home. She can;t ever support you in your life. Get out quick man.


Why should a woman in a relationship be expected to be "more emotionally stable" than a man? If a man is allowed to show his emotions at home............then what is the problem? After all, she doesn't go to work with you.............which is the place you are required to show "no emotion." Does your statement mean that........women should bring more skills to the relationship than a man can offer?

Let me offer this...........there are men in relationships who have been sexually abused also, so with your advice she should get out quick.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 5 (view)
 
Asking men and Women
Posted: 4/30/2008 2:37:01 PM
She has unimaginable outbursts that has an effect on all of us and she believes that no one has a right to tell her anything.


What is she trying to communicate during the outbursts? Is she capable of speaking calmly with regard to her issues.............without hurting everyone's ears and feelings?
Does she believe that a "good therapist" has the right to tell or guide her in a direction........ that will put her "haunts" to rest?
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 202 (view)
 
is sex something a woman offers in a relationship?
Posted: 4/30/2008 12:05:31 AM
Haven't you heard the great news of late..........women now come with 2 vaginas. They usually store the second one (which is disposable) in their purse. When her date becomes too bored/boring ............she can slap it on the table and her date can take it home for his personal pleasure. The disposable vagina requires no stimulating conversation, you don't have to buy it "drinks" and you don't have to tell it lies to get it to come home with you. The "disposable vagina" does not require that you fall asleep with it after sex and you can simply toss it on the floor beside the bed. In the morning, you don't have to wait for it to apply makeup and get dressed before you can boot it out the door and no worries.....it will find it's own way back home. The "disposable vagina" will never ask you for your phone number, nor will it ever call you. The "disposable vagina" can't get pregnant and it will never expect you marry it or pay child support. The "disposable vagina" cannot tell you how good or bad the sex was........it cannot express an opinion because it only listens and does not talk.

Ahhhhhhhhhh the "disposable vagina"....ladies don't leave home without it and guys, if you want it........the ladies absolutely don't mind giving it to you.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 7 (view)
 
do u understand why people looking for sex bother with a site like this?
Posted: 4/30/2008 12:03:15 AM
Haven't you heard the great news of late..........women now come with 2 vaginas. They usually store the second one (which is disposable) in their purse. When her date becomes too bored/boring ............she can slap it on the table and her date can take it home for his personal pleasure. The disposable vagina requires no stimulating conversation, you don't have to buy it "drinks" and you don't have to tell it lies to get it to come home with you. The "disposable vagina" does not require that you fall asleep with it after sex and you can simply toss it on the floor beside the bed. In the morning, you don't have to wait for it to apply makeup and get dressed before you can boot it out the door. The "disposable vagina" will never ask you for your phone number, nor will it ever call you. The "disposable vagina" can't get pregnant and it will never expect you marry it or pay child support. The "disposable vagina" cannot tell you how good or bad the sex was........it cannot express an opinion because it only listens and does not talk.

Ahhhhhhhhhh the "disposable vagina"....ladies don't leave home without it and guys, if you want it........the ladies absolutely don't mind giving it to you.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 201 (view)
 
is sex something a woman offers in a relationship?
Posted: 4/29/2008 9:59:07 PM
Yah, but I require "written references" providing years of experience and the erotic details of those years of experience.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 328 (view)
 
Marriage, men are stupid for entering into this(proof)
Posted: 4/29/2008 7:12:49 PM
I took this quote from another thread because I thought it may be helpful on this thread as well.............


My thoughts are that it is imperative for us to understand the EVOLUTION OF HUMAN BEHAVIOR IN ATTITUDES THAT MALES AND FEMALES HAVE TOWARDS EACH ......and have been passed up from one generation to the next. Many of these "attitudes" from historical times still prevail to this day in the year 2008.

Men and women slander or demean each other with "phrases" that have been passed up from generation to generation to their children who eventually reach adulthood ........and who in turn repeat the "phrase" and the cycle which nurtures the attitude to prevail.

Now, my purpose in writing these "phrases" on this thread is most certainly not intended to "offend" or cause "anger & resentment" towards either gender or start a big war amoung the posters on this thread............so anyone who is overly sensitive, please keep your emotions in "check" or simply do not read. I will start with 2 slanders.........1 against a woman and 1 against a man.

"Women are only good for 3 things.........sex, making babies and bringing her man a beer."
=Translation to woman.........You hate me soo much that you would hold me "a hostage under the contract of marriage" to be a baby factory, whore and personal servant in return for food, shelter and a few scraps of clothing. The only thing you value about me is my vagina and the free labor that I provide in caring for you, me and our children.

"Men are as useless as teats on a bull"
=Translation to man............You have no appreciation for the hard work I do everyday to provide an income which supports/benefits me, you and our children. The fact that I am "a father" does not mean that I need to develop/acquire the skills necessary to ensure our childs personal development towards becoming a self-sufficient adult.............that is the woman's job and you should be thankful for the donation of my sperm.

These "attitudes" in the evolution of human behavior towards males and females are destructive and painful to the "male human spirit" and the "female human spirit."
It behooves us as a society to reflect on the damage-control that needs to occur to provide a healthier outlook and attitude towards males and females collectively.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 139 (view)
 
When is it ok?
Posted: 4/29/2008 2:49:46 AM
I just had to come back to this thread one more time to offer this.........

If your scars are no longer "visible" there should be no need to tell anyone ever and that is what will make you dateable and successful in a relationship.

Avoid partners who will by their "actions", "attitude" or "words" cause you to re-activate or re-live the traumatic mental and emotional pain that was inflicted upon you. There comes a time in everyone's life when they need to toss the garbage to the curb and never look back.............that is what a good therapist will help you do, in my opinion.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 135 (view)
 
When is it ok?
Posted: 4/29/2008 1:23:32 AM
From your very first experience with sexual and/or physical abuse...........the experience CHANGES who you are and/or who you will become. It may even change your "path in life" that would have typically unfolded, if you hadn't been sexually abused in the first place. The "act of sex" has been used as a "weapon" against you..........so it will always be unclear to the sexually abused person if sex is an act of "Love" or an act of "Hate". Or, was it the act of a very "sick mind" who had a
"sense of entitlement" to use you as an object for their "personal sexual gratification" with no regard for your mental and physical health. Was the act, no more meaningful than one animal preying on another. If you were sexually abused before the "age of understanding your own sexuality" it could distort your view of yourself as a person..............your self-esteem and the confidence you exude to others can be at risk.
The way you view yourself as a person, can keep you in "victim status mode" and that is the part that needs to be healed first. You need to seek the type of counselling that will change your status from "victim" to "survivor" and give you the skills to never be the victim again.

If you are wounded by the bullet from a gun enough times ..........you will eventually hate guns.
If you are wounded by the "act of sex"enough times..............you may eventually hate sex.

Good Luck and Best Wishes for your future Dear Lady
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 25 (view)
 
Do dumb guys like dummer( pun) women
Posted: 4/29/2008 12:09:37 AM
Diddle Dumb...............meet Diddle Dumber?

We can have a Dumb and Dumber life together
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 147 (view)
 
Are US women being taken for granted?
Posted: 4/28/2008 7:38:49 PM

I appreciate that women smell great, are usually clean and many have really, really nice bums.


Ah Yuppers..........I like men for that same reason, can't deny that.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 295 (view)
 
To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/27/2008 11:54:47 PM

The male of the species was designed to impregnate as many
women as possible in order to preserve the species from extinction.


David Lewis.......


That's only true for less desirable males. Across mammalian species,
males who have many choices usually reject all but the most attractive females.


Very smart man, I am not sure why some delightful lady has not swept you off your feet yet.

Before the inception of "child support" lower quality males ran around impregnating as many females as they could. This placed a great burden on the state and country to support those children.........when the mothers of these children had no other means of financial support and claimed for social assistance or welfare.
 Darrr
Joined: 3/14/2007
Msg: 283 (view)
 
Marriage, men are stupid for entering into this(proof)
Posted: 4/27/2008 2:58:36 PM
Ahhhhhhhhhhh tick tock, a man who likes to play "emotional games."

I do not share your folly for such games............they are illogical and accomplish nothing that actually relates to the topic of this thread. Anyway, I have a "date" today, so the thread is yours to lodge more personal attacks if you wish, however don't count on me responding to your attacks. I threw my "ego" in the garbage can 20 years ago.

Tah, Tah
 
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