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 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/21/2009 1:19:27 PM
In general concept, I was tracking with this thread pretty well when the general theme suggested (sort of) that one's concept of g/God would affect one's concept of "sin".... But of more recent as it has turned to evaluations of the cruelty of world leaders through the ages, I'm sort of losing sight of how this relates to the original concept. Not that identifying what BAD is isn't a useful thing to do.........and please continue if so compelled....

But a thought was triggered in some of these more recent pages too, which spawned a question in my mind that I'm hoping others might have thoughts on too. Somewhere recently there was a mention that it's pretty universal that there are generally accepted "goods and bads" which can and often do equate to negative 'feelings' or possibly I'd argue, inate understandings of sin then. But for those that either have never known g/God or rejected g/God, my question then would be from where have these generally universal understandings and/or feelings then come from? In other words, if you don't know g/God, can you know a sin? Where would those understandings/feelings have come from?
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/20/2009 4:26:02 PM
Sometimes it's hard to be loved.
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/18/2009 11:37:47 AM
I think they call it Thread Rage. You know, one driver of one car makes an absent minded bad driving decision but the driver of the other car thinks it was intended at them somehow..................and pretty soon both cars are playing chicken on the freeway at 90 miles per hour.......

guys????
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/18/2009 11:09:34 AM
um.....Topic please?

Also, careful everyone about Matt 7:3.
Thanks!
:-)
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/16/2009 1:09:35 PM
LOL. Sorry Rococco. You and I must have been doing the same research at the same moment after I asked the question originally in my previous post about relationship between Hitler and the Pope. I replaced my question when I found it. You concurrently posted more info on the same subject. Thanks for the help with the research! :)
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/16/2009 12:51:10 PM
Edit.
Interesting article answered a question of mine. The Pope during WWII did not ever speak out against Hitler. This article clarified why for me.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_XII

 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/16/2009 9:55:51 AM
I guess there's never been one with blue eyes and blond hair that has accepted Judiaism as their faith? Well, except for maybe that one woman in the movie "Cabarette".
This discussion is going off topic......Can we save it for another day or thread?
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/16/2009 9:02:25 AM
GC: Um...sorry to say, you're off on your history of Hitler. Hitler had nothing against mono-theism, and in fact was Catholic himself and maintained his mono-theism and even openly supported attendance of church by the masses. Yes, he was screwed up. But the reason why he wanted to rid the world of the Jews was founded in socieo-economic basis not religion really. During his younger and more formative years, he and others perceived that the Jews in Austria and Germany had formed themselves into a very closed circle that discriminated strongly against anyone that was not Jewish, and they also gained control of being themselves the rich merchant class. If you were not Jewish, you could work for them but for very meager wages and you'd never ever get a chance to climb a ladder. The exclusivity became too much for the people of the nation to bear, and that set the stage for what later became the atrocities. In his mind, he was not fighting god, but rather he was ridding the world of the oppressors of the system.
And yes, my family lost people in the concentration camps too. Don't get me wrong. This is by no means offered as any kind of excuse for him. He was basically evil incarnate and a horror. But you have to understand history correctly in order to not repeat it.
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/16/2009 7:16:32 AM
Jack, I think you have been one of the best, most sincere, tollerant and informative posters in this thread and I really certainly want to thank you for all of your participation. I'm not sure today if I agree or disagree with every item you wrote, but you caused me to think and your posts were always presented so well - and without antagonism or anything of the sort. I think we all should take a lesson from yor tollerance and sincerity. Thank you for all of your posts; I hope there will be more again. - o4
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/15/2009 9:41:03 PM
THAT part I got.
My tongue is still twisted trying to say it though.
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/15/2009 9:36:24 PM
The pentameter of the second stanza - is a sin.
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/15/2009 9:12:41 PM
There once was this fish named pete
who once used to be so discreet
but when it came to sin
his tongue was sharp as a pin
and the school then did vote with their feet

 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/15/2009 8:11:37 PM
^Gogetter: Sometimes I agree with your posts or the bulk thereof, other times not. In this post I pretty much agree with you! (except that I'm probably in the other camp on the 'hugs' part...I think those might be needed more than we know!). But overall, yes, when Jesus calls us to love, it means what you say, and including the kindness and mercy part (with His grace too). If we all could just do this so simply. ..........I know for a fact that not loving is a sin.
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/15/2009 3:21:46 PM
^ :-) Rococco, thanks.

Where I've lately been getting hung up in this thread is that it's seeming to me that how we see sin then must also be related to how we see god or God. There's a few different ways I can interpret this thought too. One is to say that perception of sin shapes then how we see God or which god we choose...or how we try to bend Him into what we want him to be. Another thought also could be that the more we don't recognize sin, perhaps the more we don't recognize God. In any case, "picking and choosing" is a dangerous past time. But sometimes it's also so hard to exactly know what either is too. I was impressed with how Mermaid put it above.....It's a simple concept relating to how sin leads to destruction. But at the same time, there sometimes seems there's no way around it for the human.....and no matter how much we want/try to live in His world, at least for time being, we're all still living in this one. This thread has taught me that we wrestle with this much more than I ever realized before. Not an easy subject.
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/15/2009 10:02:11 AM

In truth though it is God that would define what is truly missing the mark. Ignoring a creator's instruction or otherwise disobedience (as is the same with parents and children) is sin. Disobedience to higher authority in general leads to hardships, disharmony, destruction (or otherwise missing what is meant or the best choice in life for us individually provided the instruction given is one of benefit or as with most parents = given out of love).


A lot to chew on there Mermaid. Thanks for the great entry!
~o4
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/15/2009 9:07:13 AM
Only one person answered if they believe that Moses parted the Red Sea and that the Earth was created in six days. Now I find that interesting.

Quantity is not the issue. If you sincerely interacted with that one response, that was all that was needed. If you didn't, would any number have mattered?

Edit: Mermaid is correct though, it's off topic for this thread. Genesis & Exodus might be another good thread to open though.
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/14/2009 7:25:38 PM
You're more than welcome Gg.

lower case "o"

btw: Wikipedia just amazes me sometimes with all that's on it!
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/14/2009 6:13:24 PM
Sounds like his disciples drank too many spirits that day.


Wikipedia gives a good discussion about whether they were drinking or not:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_of_Jesus
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/14/2009 1:34:31 PM
bbob: On the lines of it depending on different people and what they've been exposed to and what they accept - When asked about their beliefs and experiences, participants in this thread have been more than glad to tell of theirs honestly and sincerely. And I'm thankful for all of the perspectives and different sincere inputs we've had from them. Whereas you've really gone more than just out of your way to tell them though that they are wrong.
I think I have a new view of sin.
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/14/2009 11:04:42 AM
It's hard to find proof in the form of an archeological anything of when he turned water into wine because the people drank it. Also, we don't have two death certificates from the county coroner for Lazarus either. We have had to rely on reportings for these and many events in the stories of the bible.
We also don't today have any concrete proof that Hillary was the first (known) to scale Mt Everest either....The proof for that today is what is inscribed in what we take to be reliable sources; in Hillary's instance, the newspapers of the day.
It's all in what we accept as reliable resources. As archeology uncovers more and more of the events and times of the period in which the bible was written, it becomes easier and easier to accept it as a reliable resource......a newspaper from yesterday.



 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/14/2009 10:41:36 AM
True some of it will never be proven, and that's probably why they call if a "belief". But however, if one were to get a copy of a bible with archeological footnotes that chronical all of the evidence found in modern times in support of the backdrops of the old or ancient stories, it might be seen that the "jump" is possibly smaller than what might be expected.
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/14/2009 9:57:00 AM
Oh! The REALITY belief system! I've heard of that. I hear it's seen to be fully true and provable in all respects by the people who follow it.
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/14/2009 9:46:44 AM
Gentle, Believe it or not, there's archeological evidence that's been found on both sides of the Red Sea which suggests that indeed the people (specific with their customs and norms) were there. The question then is how would they have gotten from one side to the other without boats? And if we were to argue that they ran around it, then why would they have gone so far out of their way along the other side when their goal was on a different navigational line from either of the nearest more conventional crossing points (to the south at the inlet still requiring boats, or to the north back in Egypt)?
I believe that the seven day story is how God wanted to convey it to his people. I believe there was probably a lot of complication in getting our world started, and this version of the overview can be understood by most all of his children more simply than going into all of the details and yet conveys really what is needing to be known.
 o4
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Do you like the USA?
Posted: 11/14/2009 9:38:08 AM

They all disappoint...eventually.

I've seen a number disappoint because they didn't bring what they needed with them. However I've also seen another number "disappoint" because they did bring what was needed, and the media couldn't stand the interpretted threat.
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/14/2009 9:22:42 AM
^^ It's interesting how calling out the name of a Being that lived 2000 years ago can get that type of response! Do you wonder if instead you had yelled "...in the name of Steiner please leave me alone!" what would have happened?
 o4
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Do you like the USA?
Posted: 11/14/2009 8:33:09 AM

her devastatingly superior intellect and leadership abilities.
As compared to what????!
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/10/2009 12:32:02 PM

we'll rename the Holy Wars and Crusades the Human Nature Wars.

Those were as much about the bible as the Civil War was about slavery. Every conflict has its marketing devices making it "good", but sometimes there are many other reasons for the conflicts.
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/10/2009 11:20:01 AM
1. There are no contemporary records of Christ.
2. Nothing He ever said exists in the language He spoke; we don't know the exact wording of anything He said.
3. We don't know what year He was born in.
4. We don't know what time of year He was born in (the Book of Luke, if you believe that crap, says that the shepherds were sleeping with their flocks, so it couldn't have been winter)
5. We don't know if He was married or not (one of the non-canonical gospels speaks of him kissing Mary Magdalene on the mouth, and there's nothing in the Bible saying he wasn't married).
6. We don't know who hHis father was (obviously not Joseph; Mother Mary probably got pregnant from some other guy and came up with a story about how God inseminated her).
7. We don't know what city He was born in (the Book of Luke says Bethlehem, but many Bible scholars think He was born in Nazareth)
8. We have no idea what He looked like (coming from the part of the Middle East that borders Africa, He could have been black)




I'm not even sure where to begin for you Elmenreich....most of those questions were already answered in earlier posts in this thread or are very easily researched. If you missed them those times or are to lazy to look, it's probably not going to help repeating or stating any replies here.

But, I am tickled though over the implications that answers to a couple of those questions really prove whether a person existed or not. We don't know if someone exists or existed or not unless we know if they were married or not? I couldn't tell you if half the population of North America is married or not, but for some reason, I still accept it that most of them exist at least. And as for color of Jesus skin..........It is clear throughout the entire bible and its teachings that color of skin is not an issue that matters one way or the other on anything! Only a racist would say that this issue matters.
 o4
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Why do men want to see revealing pics right away?
Posted: 11/8/2009 3:15:59 PM
P Diva Audrey: I'm agreeing with Boomer's post above, and am even going one more. You're at a fork in the road with your profile. You need to either take it to the left or to the right. In addition to your name, some of your photos and captions are also inviting those types of responses. Figure out if your trolling for those type or are sincere about what your OP suggests, that you really want to be on a different path. If you want to be playful, wait for a few exchanges and then warm up to the ones you want to warm up to.
It amazes me how many fish here seem to want life on both sides of the street sometimes! We've seen it all before....
 o4
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Do you like the USA?
Posted: 11/8/2009 1:17:58 PM
Golfcoast: Pretty much agree. (and now that I think about it, you too Match)
The key out of any depression and also what we're in now is productivity [need to also include motions for fewer restrictions on that as part of the mix (that'd also include taxes and environmental items)] and balance of trade, or even a net positive in exporting. ~ But I don't think the current administration "gets" that.
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/8/2009 10:20:41 AM
Boomer,
Along the lines of your post #715 talking about the history and purity of translations of the bible through time, -=
Along these lines, a couple of years ago now in San Diego, some of the Dead Sea Scrolls were on display. Alongside just being able to simply see them, there was also a presentation along the same lines as what you wrote. They made it clear how purely the bible has been translated through time. As a footnote to the exhibit, just as you'd leave the path of the exhibit next to the door in the last room, they showed three bibles. One from very early on if I remember, something like the 12 or 14 hundreds, then another from a couple hundred years later, then one from the late 1800's.......and they had them all open to the same page and right below them they showed a current translation of their respective texts. They were identical. It's really amazing!
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/7/2009 1:56:42 PM

Paul believed that human beings didn't have to follow the rules of God, as long as they spread Christianity.

Paul brought Christianity and the Word of God to many who already did not know either, and were not practicing them. Paul did not judge them for their activities (but was ever mindful of the right/wrong of the activities themselves). Rather, by spreading Christianity and the Word of God to those who did not know before, Paul then left it to God and the Spirit to guide from there.
 o4
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Do you like the USA?
Posted: 11/7/2009 1:51:27 PM

Do you think children having more access to guns helps or hurts?

Knowing that I have to be very careful how I reply or else I know this will be miscontrued....
I think teaching children, at probably what you consider to be very young ages, to have respect for weapons of all kinds is a good thing to do. That's not to say to allow reckless access with abandon. But by providing proper settings, education, safety training and supervision we can actually save lives.
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/7/2009 1:44:05 PM
And how do you KNOW I can't heal the sick, multiply bread, cast out demons and raise the dead? I never said that I could or couldn't, just that Jesus couldn't. Given my knowledge of modern medicine, I probably can heal the sick and raise the dead better than Jesus could. I learned how to when I got my first aid certification. It's called "CPR."

...Okay,...so YOU be God this week.
 o4
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Do you like the USA?
Posted: 11/5/2009 4:48:29 PM

8th generation California family and a descendant of founding father William Livingston, plus Passamaquoody from Maine so I am all American and have no need much less a desire to move to Russia.

Thanks ZenBeth! I think I'll take that as a vote on the original motion. Wait, what was the question again???
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/4/2009 7:55:07 AM
Ace, While I know that you directed your question to GG, I'd like to share too. For me, it allowed me to no longer have to be at the center of the universe. Being the center of the universe is a lot of work! You gotta see to it that all the animals are fed and cleaned up after, each day you have to see that nobody has left any pesky footprints on the moon again, and that polishing of all of the stars becomes really tiring after a while. Now instead, I (just try to) orbit instead around the One that really belongs at the center, and if pesky moon prints need to be taken care of, I let him handle it in his own way and in his own time. Granted, I'm not perfect and I try to back-seat drive him a lot, a whole lot, and I have a lot more to learn about where he wants to take everything (including me and others that I love), but he reminds me constantly to not worry about things that are on his watch (not mine) and lets me live life knowing he's got the helm under control.................(And not to mention the promise of the insurance policy for the everafter).
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/3/2009 7:48:26 PM

It's like a millionaire died and left a million dollars in an account with his child's name on it.

Am I going to have to get out my HP-19C with all of the finance buttons on it?.....is that a million dollars in the dollars of Jesus' time or only today's dollars?
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/3/2009 6:57:49 PM

.....The question is, how do we recognize them, deal with the damage done, and prevent further damage?

This cuts right to my heart with its beauty and intent. If we could set this as a priority and be successful with it as a coorporate group of imperfect humans, we'd be so much more ahead. Wonderful and oh so true of a post.

Maybe the Beatles were right...."....All we need is LOVE. All we need is LOVE. All we need iiiissss Love, Love.......Love is all we need. Love is all we need. Love is all we need."
 o4
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Do you like the USA?
Posted: 11/3/2009 6:48:59 PM
So in a recent poll,

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091103/lf_afp/migrationusafricaasiaeurope_20091103190030

the USA would be the favored destination of others worldwide to imigrate to if they had the chance, by a margin of almost 4 times as many as the next nearest countries!. If they had the chance, 165 million people worldwide would want to imigrate to the USA, and then 45 million would like to go to each Britain, Canada or France.

Does this beg the question, - so even as screwed-up as we ourselves think things might be here, yet, Is there really still any better place to be??

Are you proud of the USA? Or, would you rather be someplace else?


Millions worldwide would like to switch countries: study
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WASHINGTON (AFP) – Some 700 million people worldwide, or more than all the adults of North and South America combined, think the grass is greener on the other side of the fence and want to permanently move to another country, a poll showed Tuesday.

Residents of sub-Saharan African countries were the most likely to want to move abroad permanently, the polls conducted in 135 countries between 2007 and this year by Gallup showed.

On average, 38 percent of the adult population in sub-Saharan Africa, or around 165 million people, said they would up stakes and head for another country if they had the chance.

The most popular destination was the United States, where nearly a quarter of the 700 million -- around 165 million people -- said they would like to settle.

In joint second were Britain, Canada and France, each being named as the preferred destination of around 45 million people.

Thirty-five million said they would go to Spain, 30 million to Saudi Arabia, and 25 million each to Australia or Germany.

The least likely to want to emigrate were Asians -- only one in 10 Asian adults said they would move to another country.

Nearly 260,000 people aged 15 years and older were surveyed, either by phone or face-to-face, for the poll, which has a margin of error of around five percent.
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/3/2009 11:19:32 AM
^ Additional research may be required!
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/3/2009 10:27:25 AM
I believe God created Man... but his creation is an evolution... that we would evolve over time.

I have no problems with that Jack. Even Jesus was much shorter than the average person is today......better foods and nutrition, better lives, etc....

But the part about "...we create right and wrong within us", I have a harder time with that one. I think it goes deeper. And while I can't back it up "scientifically", perhaps the best example of this would be in looking at how even remote cultures hold some of the same/similar "right and wrong" principles about life. Most see murder as bad, adultery too. And while they give many names, most also have some form of diety to worship. Perhaps its the spirit or Spirit which is within us which leads us there, but I think that the Spirit within us might be the messenger from just somewhere/being else too. Unfortunately, on this earth, we'll never really know the answer to that one for sure in concrete facts. But, juries make decisions on implications and logic sometimes too....not saying I'm the perfect juror, but in my own little jury-room, I'm thinking there's got to be somewhere that all of life and Life came from, which is beyond ourselves..... One man's opinion. Enjoy exchangeing with you Jack!
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/3/2009 9:12:32 AM
.....But whether that is through the operation of God or intuition is a matter of debate. You take it on faith or you don't.

I agree with you Ace that acceptance of God requires a bit of a leap....bigger for some, smaller for others I'd guess.
Way back somewhere in this thread, and I wish I could remember whom it was, someone wrote something really neat on this. The quote said something like this: "If you accept God, you see him everywhere. If you don't accept God, you don't see him anywhere." Probably true.

Reading through the past few pages seems to say to me that the logic is that if there is no God, then there also is no sin (ie: no judge of right and wrong). (Is that true?). But then, if there is a God, then we also find sin (a priori to the precept of the original question??) because God has determined right and wrong. Then the arguement goes on for the "no-God crowd" that then also we would accept that everything evolved, even including mankind, and we are "just another animal on the planet" and should have no more "value system" than other animals do. But then contrary to that, the "yes there is a God crowd" is stating that man is decidedly different from animals with unique advanced abilities which could only happen via designed creation(or unexplainable only by just evolution), and so there must be a Creator...God. (which then explains value-systems and that there is sin among other things in this existence too) Is that the gist?

Speaking using a very simple example, when there are moments that I respect life (bring a meal to a person say), I feel good. When on the other hand I disprespect life (ie kill a trespassing spyder in my living room), I feel bad. Are these feelings somehow a result of innately knowing God somehow, or rather are they a bi-product somehow of strict evolution?
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 9:05:38 PM
...just catching up on the thread again. It seems to me that some are, well one is anyway, trying hard to commit the sin of derailing the thread to off topic. Of course, we all know that when that happens, the thread is banished or abolished. If we were to assume that this might be a goal of that one, then I'd speculate that there must be a "threat" in this thread to the person somehow who would want to have it errased. JMHO
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 2:00:29 PM
I always just loved it how Flipper could always get Sandy and Bud to do exactly what he wanted them to do all the time.
 o4
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You can quote me on that ...
Posted: 11/2/2009 1:53:01 PM

.....but I will be sober in the morning!
- Churchill
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 11/2/2009 1:51:02 PM

Well, show me an animal who can type a message on a keyboard, send it over the internet and read the reply.

Can we use proper names in our response?
 o4
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Captivating qualities?
Posted: 11/2/2009 1:42:22 PM
Ya know Ace, it's funny. You hit on two of the qualities that first came to mind when I ready your first sentence......patience and grace. Someone who is obviously there, in a world of calm and obviously comfortable within and with happy contentment, and so much so that it shows in how they relate to and also treat others with peace and respect. When that type of Inner Joy comes through, it's powerful!
That's not meaning to be saying that 'sedentary' is where it's at either. But, often I read profiles that can't seem to say enough about how much activity the author likes to keep themselves wrapped up in. You know the ones, "I like to do this and that and the other thing and when I'm not doing those, you can find me doing some other stuff at another place too, and on top of all of that I go camping 17 times a week and work out between all of that too - find me at Starbucks most getting my next fill-up of caffiene so I can keep up with myself, but ya better be going fast too because if you're not, I'll probably run you over! or at least yell at you for not keeping up!"........and when I read those I usually think, "wow....what are you on the run from!?". Give me someone a bit more calm, content with self and others, with a few simpler interests, and who knows how to keep track of the real priorities in life, and I'll be happy for meeting ones like that any day.
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 10/28/2009 6:23:38 PM
I'm so sorry that I've been away from this thread for a while! I tried to catch up on it tonight and see so much thought and genuine sincerety that it's almost fully overwhelming. Thank you all for such honest and open discussion! What a great thread you all have made for reading and thinking about at just about each entry.

Ace, Jack, Boomer, Match, Sari, old Califorum friends.....your posts in particular have touched me on this thread. Thank you. Ace and Jack, wow, thanks.

At a more detailed concept in the past few posts, Ace, your comment:


Show me in the Bible where I'm not supposed to stone adulterous women and why I shouldn't suspect women in general. Show me where...

made me start thinking about the Laws of Moses vs what Christ guided. ...and I think this might be getting to the heart of some of my original question. Of course under Moses' Laws, sin was definitely spelled out and the consequences were definitely spelled out........but in the Gospels, Jesus changed the rules and reminded us that the details of the "rules" broken are not of the same focus as the bigger driving concepts. Love God before all else, and do your best with the rest. When failure comes on a lower priority, get back to priority number one....Love God again, and move on again.
That all goes hand in hand with the Oct 5th entry.

Again, thank you all for your beautiful thread that you've grown here, and grown together on.
~o4
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 10/21/2009 6:07:29 PM
^^
:210:

Thanks for reading! :-)
 o4
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Oct 5th entry in My Utmost for His Highest....defining sin
Posted: 10/14/2009 7:53:33 AM
Somewhere along the way in this thread I saw one who said they were an atheist post in this thread, but then received no response. Later, I saw the same person ask why they had not gotten response to their post? I've been mulling that over, and I'm wondering. If without belief in God, could/would there then be no sin in that framework? And if there is no sin then that an author would personally know, then it might follow that there might not be a response to one who does not know the very thing they are speculating about? hmmmm....
 
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