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upupandaway

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Is BC the least spiritual, most pro-gay marriage province? Posted: 7/26/2007 9:50:51 AM
You are right, religions are horrible. At the same time the fundamentals of religion which is something that most religious people are cluesless about, the teachings of all religions are full of the greatest wisdom, well beyound that of humans today. It just bugs me that religious people are to stupid to see it and then they practice religion in a way that gives it a bad name, Wake up, its people that are stupid not the writings that have the answers to what love is really about. Most people who are disgusted with religion are just as bad themselves because they are just as ignorant. If you knew how science and spirituality work hand in hand, If you understood the fundamentals of life and the importance of mental, emotional , physical and spiritual development as a requirement for humans to evolve then you would see that there is alot more going on then what meets the eye, but most people are blind and insist on living as a dumb animal, they are to scared to make the sacrifices that are needed to evolve, I guess its easier for most people to be shallow, that way you really dont have to learn or grow. And i can guarantee you that most people havent a clue about what real happiness is, All the reasons given for homosexuality being normal are flawed and yes homosexuality does hurt others. I mean wake up, all homosexuals have been conditioned and influenced by a majorly disfunctonal hetereosexual society for thousands of years, you have no idea how much garbage there is to be thrown out. Its not fair to point the finger at gays because both gays and straights are equally disfunctional in there behaviour. If you dont see it then your not much of a critical thinker, and dont do much reflecting.

upupandaway

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Homosexuality Posted: 7/26/2007 9:16:53 AM
People say things like you cant help who you fall in Love with and that is such a wide spread lie. Most of what attracts people to each other has alot to do with ones conditioning and how another person fills that void or imbalance. If one unlearns the things they have learned from conditioning then you will come to a better understanding of what is and will realize that you can do more then you know. Most people havent a clue what Love is, Many say Love isnt enough, the fact is Love is enough, the only thing that isnt enough is our understanding of Love.

upupandaway

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If God is omnipotent, why didn't he foresee the Flood? Posted: 6/22/2007 10:09:53 AM
When it comes to God why dont we all just laugh at ourselves, we know nothing, some say oh it must be boring to be God or god must be this or god just isnt, they are all assumptions, and thats all people are doing here, The only thing we can do without making assumptions is to see that virtues are something that are the fundamentals of all religions and forms of spirituality, Learn about virtues and you will learn something that will improve the quality of life, making assumptions about God isnt going to get you anywhere.

upupandaway

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What is TIME ?? Posted: 6/22/2007 9:42:22 AM
So how is your approach to understanding time going to improve the quality of life, or is this just an intellectual waste of time, I am interested to know .

upupandaway

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If God is omnipotent, why didn't he foresee the Flood? Posted: 6/20/2007 10:46:13 AM
Of what use is it to ask these questions, maybe there are answer to them, at the same time i dont think humans are wise enough to answer them, Its like walking into the gym for the first time and trying to lift the 600 lb barbell, if people are serious about learning start with a workable weight rather then bite off more then you can chew, and then every little piece you aquire will help contribute to the big picture and possible personal growth.

upupandaway

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Ignorance as bliss? Smart vs happy? Posted: 6/20/2007 10:35:31 AM
I just thought i would mention that someone who might be that intelligent would understand these things intellectually, and since there is a greater reality to who we are then just an intellectual one, this person would have just as much to learn as the rest of us, IQ means nothing, it was created by humans who dont know enough about what intelligence is to create a test, but for some reason people seem to but into these tests.

upupandaway

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Science and Religion Posted: 6/20/2007 10:27:08 AM
Hey there, I also think that science and religion hasnt evolved enough to understand how the two are like two wings of a bird, people should be willing to admit that they might be ignorant and thats why they might not understand something, science still has a very limited way of investigating reality, as humans evolve the many other ways will become known, and the same goes for religion, most religious people are following religion more out of conditioning then a conscious choice, so untill they become conscious it will be difficult for religion to access the potential thats there. Thanks

upupandaway

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What is TIME ?? Posted: 6/16/2007 8:00:46 AM
As time is also apart of what it is to be human then time also has a physical, mental, emotional and spiritual aspect to it. And to understand what it is to be human requires understanding these aspects then so does understanding time require this same holistic approach. Leaving any of these out can leave ones understanding of time of any topic to be wishy washy, so the less wishy washy we are the greater our ability to learn and teach more completely. I would say thouroughly but i am not sure if thats how you spell it. LOL

upupandaway

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What is TIME ?? Posted: 6/16/2007 7:55:35 AM
As time is also apart of what it is to be human then time also has a physical, mental, emotional and spiritual aspect to it. And to understand what it is to be human requires understanding these aspects then so does understanding time require this same holistic approach.

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What is TIME ?? Posted: 6/16/2007 7:50:09 AM
Time is relatively real because there is an aspect of reality that doesnt exist in time and our experience of what we call reality is the dance between the two, together they are the fundamentals for evolution and the more we understand what this is the greater our development. So time is an illusion and is not an illusion.

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What is TIME ?? Posted: 6/16/2007 7:40:39 AM
Time does stop when thought stops ,but at the same there are other manifestations of time besides thought and those areas will keep on ticking, so we would also have to become aware of what those other areas are so we can aquire a deeper understanding of time, I can see that it would have us discover more of what our potential is, i say that because i have found that when i have quited my mind enough i was able to listen and learn and be more open . Sorry for my grammer and run on sentences, I still need to educate myself in those areas.

upupandaway

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What is TIME ?? Posted: 6/15/2007 11:01:53 PM
Thankyou for the towel, sometimes a good conversation is helpful to improve ones communication skills and to achieve a greater understanding of the people and world around you. Time was put to good use even if it is only relatively real it still has its place just as the conversation i had. Thanks again for the towel, so wheres the water?

upupandaway

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What is TIME ?? Posted: 6/15/2007 10:53:27 PM
I have not tried to start my own thread, and i am sure you are smart in the areas you have studied, I dont care for wishy washy netherworldly pursuits either, If i can take the things i have mentioned and do something concrete and tangible with it like improve the quality of my life and have an actual positive influence on others then i find it worthwhile, I do not care for the wishy washy aspect that you mention that is common with philosophy and spirituality, but when i learned that it doesnt have to be wishy washy and it can be very practical and tangible then i was very interested. As far as the education thing , universities also offer courses like philosophy and psychology, sociology and religion because the majority think that they mean something just as they do engineering, so if you are going to stick with the majority like you say then you would also consider those courses to be equal to yours and worthy of getting to know because the majority also rules them in. Its just an observation i made. Maybe you could actually help take the wishy washy out and restore what practical, tangible,concrete wisdom they may actually have in a way that people like yourself could relate to and value. It is nice to see us coming to an understanding and for you to share a different side to you. Thankyou

upupandaway

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What is TIME ?? Posted: 6/15/2007 9:23:28 AM
Educated people still use simple words that everybody would know, Educated people will use curse and so on, you should know that, they are human like everyone else. So rather then say its a joke ,i will say that i find it naive of you to think that you have not been conditioned, but maybe your just joking.LOL. This is a science and philosophy thread, and my comments do fit in this section since they have to do with philosophy. Philosophy is a science, psychology is a science, and so on. I have mastered it enough to understand that science is more then just the physical aspect which you seem to just want to focus on, At the same time i would ask you the same question why havent you learned enough about science to discuss it, i can see just as many flaws in your understanding and approach as what you seem to see in mine. It doesnt matter what your background is or your work is, I can see from this conversation that you dont know as much as you think you do, but i wouldnt expect you to admit to it, most people wouldnt. One of the definitions of science: [from Latin scientia from scire to know] In its widest sense formulated knowledge, a knowledge of structure, laws, and operations. The unity of human knowledge may be artificially divided into religion, philosophy, and science. Science and philosophy, as presently understood, have in common the quality of being speculative, as opposed to religion, which in the West is supposed to be founded merely on faith and moral sentiments. ... And what scientists are starting to learn is that religion or spirituality also has a base of science, they are not seperate and they both have to be embraced for the understanding of science and religion to evolve. By not being aware of what dynamics are apart or time, you would be the one who is doing the diverting, I came to this topic to help be a part of bringing all the relatable aspects of Time together so we could have a greater perspective. If you were as smart as you seem to say you are you would be asking me questions ,and ask me to better explain myself rather then assume what i am sharing doesnt fit. You can understand Time in a way that can help make this world a better place and improve the quality of life, that is my approach because it seems like the most productive one. How does understanding Time from your approach help make this world a better place and improve the quality of life? I would like to think that if any topic could be understood in a way that could improve the quality of life that it would be embraced and investigated, for me that is what an educated person would do, but i guess my definition of educated is different then yours. Good Luck

upupandaway

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What is TIME ?? Posted: 6/14/2007 10:00:51 AM
I wouldnt expect you to understand, most people dont. For you to say the things you have about self discovery shows how little you know about what i am saying, obviously my definition of self discovery is different then yours. And for you to think you have your internal shit figured out is a joke, to say that is saying you have undone all your conditioning that exists in your conscious and subconscious mind, nice try. At least i can be honest and at least i am not dilusional, I dont have my internal shit figured out because unlike you i am still evolving. And listen to you thinking that understanding ones self is selfish, what a joke. If you truly learn to know yourself you will learn what it means to be selfless and live a life of virtue, the opposite of being selfish. And of course you can learn from everyone, dont forget that saints and masters are people that can be learned from to, but i guess you think none of them have shared any wisdom, or else you wouldnt have said what you have. What good is science or any knowledge if it doesnt help change the destructive human behaviour that is so obvious in this world. You can use science to make things better or worse depending on how its used, Science is just a way of investigating, and since humans are are causing so many problems, I think they need to be investigated , learned about the most, And there is a way that understanding time and how it relates to self can be helpful in human development. Good Luck Science is easy compared to spiritual development,

upupandaway

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What is TIME ?? Posted: 6/13/2007 9:09:58 PM
Well reflection is a very helpful thing when you are looking for answers.

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What is TIME ?? Posted: 6/13/2007 9:07:27 PM
If you were listening at all I had pointed out the faults of looking at time in a superficial way and I also pointed out how we can learn about time in relation to self discovery and how that is the most important, the only thing that needs to be fixed or changed is our understanding of self, When you are on a path of self discovery ,physics and mathematics are garbage, if you do not aquire virtues then all other forms of knowledge and information will get you no where. Talk all the math and physics you want, but that will not help you to aquire the wisdom of the saints and the masters, They say to know oneself, to unlearn what you have learned. That is how you learn to re-construct the elements in a new way. I find that most of the comments on this topic do not point to the understanding of self as being the source of understanding the play of time, some people bring the two up and thats great, It would be nice to see people investigate the relation between the two, It would make the discussions more thorough.

upupandaway

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What is TIME ?? Posted: 6/13/2007 10:10:02 AM
Well alot of talk out here, but where to start? First quite your mind, all these questions are useless if the one listening to them is a fool. Or if the one speaking them is a fool. You want to understand then quite your mind and be open to unlearning all the things you have learned, it sounds simple but you might be surprised. The questions mentioned are great but unless there is a way to investigate them it just becomes more intellectual garbage, so having such good comments maybe you have something great to share on how to throw out the garbage.

upupandaway

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What is TIME ?? Posted: 6/13/2007 9:58:13 AM
Its funny how people seem to ask if you can prove it, whatever it may be. You have to remember that there are alot of things that can be proven and the only problem is that most people are not conscious enough or smart enough to understand the proof. I could answer the question who hears the sound or who measures time or any of it, but i have found that the most valuable investigation is that of self and the where that takes you to a place that goes beyound time and beyound self. There is a saying that says : unlearn all you have learned and you will know everything there is to know. Dont ask for proof, do your own work, your own investigation, and know that anything you think you know or believe is only relatively real and so there is no point to taking yourself to seriously.

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What is TIME ?? Posted: 6/13/2007 9:38:20 AM
Unless you understand the relativity of time and how it relates to the discovery of self then all the definitions people come up with are useless, for instance how does your defintion help you too understand yourself and come to a deeper understanding of the teaching taught by all great masters which is do not cling to that which is in time. Any other defintions that do not address or investigate this teaching are useless, as this teaching when understood will assist in the development and maturing of humanity and that is the most important issue facing our world today.

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Free will vs. God Posted: 6/11/2007 11:57:14 AM
In order to have free will we have to be free, but for the most part we are slaves to our senses and the things of this world, as we free ourselves from the illusions and ignorances we have aquired . We can be in tune with free will which promotes freedom for all, not just your own freedom because at that level of true free will we are all interconnected , and to realize that you have to not be a slave to your ego, which would mean becoming true to your deeper nature which is a selfless one. Alot of times chaos happens for the purpose of trying to wake us up and move us in an evolutionary direction. Thanks

upupandaway

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Chemistry! Would you share your thoughts about it? Posted: 6/11/2007 8:27:06 AM
You are right, looking at chemistry from a human point of view will leave you not knowing alot of things about chemistry. If you are someone that sees that all things physical and non physical are goverened by a greater law called Love then all things are knowable and all mysteries can be revealed. But you have to step beyound the typical human approach to reality. All the things that have to do with chemistry exist in time and in order to understand the dynamics of things in time you have to step into an aspect of reality that doesnt exist in time. In doing this you will begin to discover unconditional Love, Selflessness and an understanding of yourself and others that surpasses what you have previously known. One thing that i discovered is that all virtues exist within the reality or the experience we call Love, In discovering this we begin to experience reality in a way that is far greater then chemistry. It may seem boring , but once you begin mysteries are revealed along with your potential and then time is not a factor. For instance maturity does not come with age, which would make it a product of time, Maturity comes with awareness,which can happen at any moment, there is more to who we then what might govern wine and cheese, but your message did have some good points. Thanks

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Does CHEMISTRY play a part in relationships? Posted: 6/9/2007 9:20:00 AM
The kind of love you mention is empty and pointless, erotic love is not love , romance is not love, For love to be Love it has to be unconditional or else it is motivated by fear and therefore conditional , humanity is so imature when it comes to understanding love, A relationship has meaning when you help each other discover what Love is really about and to not become a slave to the illusions that people believe love to be. Most people dont care and thats fine, but for the ones that are paying attention they will make the effort to open there eyes

upupandaway

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Does CHEMISTRY play a part in relationships? Posted: 6/8/2007 9:49:10 AM
Its not complicated, some people will be led by there hormones first and others will be led by there heart, Once you become more mature on a heart level then you will not fall for all the illusions that our mind and body play on us. And when i speak of the Heart i am speaking of something more then the emotional aspect that is usually related to the heart. Its not difficult, evry thing that happens whether it is physical, mental, emotional, spiritual is an opportunity for us to learn about ourselves. True love says I do not ask to be Loved i want to Love, I do not ask to be understood i want to understand. If your looking for the real thing then chemistry wont be what leads you, some people never learn, they may even stay with the person for life and still not have a clue about themselves or there partner. As you evolve ,chemistry will be replaced by consciousness, its because we live our life mostly unconsciously that chemistry is as powereful as it is, that changes as we evolve. If you actually investigate this for yourself you will understand what i am saying. Socrates

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