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 Author Thread: Pandemic swine flu-someting to ponder or NOT
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 20 (view)
 
Pandemic swine flu-someting to ponder or NOT
Posted: 11/27/2009 8:14:55 PM
Who said I'm alone?


you like to attack people for their beliefs


?? you point out that people can do a websearch to prove a point you believe , I point out that a websearch can show people opposing views & you see that as an attack on your beliefs? Make sure you use lots of fabric softener, with that thin skin you have some rough clothes could prove fatal.


You are also closed minded.


From what I've seen you post & how you react to any opposing view, it appears your definition of closed minded is "anyone that has a differing view than Rozzko"


And just so you know, your opinion is neither research nor evidence


Neither is yours, and I didn't post an opinion on th etopic I pointed out there's plenty of information on th enet in contrast to your beliefs.

And just so you know, just because something is posted on the internet is neither evidence or in and of itself research. Looking for articles on the net can be informative & interesting but isn't "research"; especially when you've made up your mind what you believe & are not interested in looking for or hearing any opposing views.



I've done research on vaccine damage for 15 years since my son was destroyed by them.


Oh, you're a virologist? Where have you been conducting your research?

Reading articles on the net ( and ONLY the articles that support what you believe to be the truth) isn't research it's reading. You may be totally correct in your views on this topic, my only point was that while people can find websites & data on the net to support these views, there are just as many websites & as much data that refute these views.

Science & research isn't looking for data to support your beliefs & ignoring the rest, it's looking at all the data and if said data proves your beliefs are mistaken (or incomplete & need refining) then you have to change your beliefs.. not ignore opposing data.

As an aside, sorry to hear about your son.

As another aside I'm surprised you can spell GED.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 18 (view)
 
Pandemic swine flu-someting to ponder or NOT
Posted: 11/26/2009 10:49:30 PM

GOOGLE VACCINE DAMAGE, and get educated about the lies and the criminal negligence causing death and damage that is a result of faulty and fragulent products that our governments allow these companies to use experimentally on us.



You could google & find as many scientists & groups saying the claims made by various groups about the dangers of vaccines are a result of faulty/misinterpreted research or self-serving interpretations of the data ( especially in cases involving litigation in the US); a lawyer starting a lawsuit to sue some company or other can always find a scientist with research to prove any point the lawyer's trying to make.

The bottomline is the H1N1 vaccine is not being forced on anyone, it's a matter of personal choice. If you feel getting the vaccine poses a greater risk than possibly getting H1N1 then don't get the vaccine. But if you don't get the vaccine & suffer serious illness fromH1N1 then don't expect much sympathy.

And I'm not sure what fragulent ( ???) products are, so I can't comment on them.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 20 (view)
 
A CURE for MS !!
Posted: 11/24/2009 10:33:13 PM

Its obvious you people do no research and would rather talk nonsense


I'm not sure how looking something up on the internet ( to quote Rozzko):


If you do some research, you will find MS is caused by vaccines.

Anyone who can GOOGLE vaccine damage can read about the dangers for weeks.


constitutes scientific research.

And to quote him again:


The U.S.A.'s vaccine compensation court has conceded roughly 5 cases of autism, 3 of MS, and is viewing ALS as caused through vaccination. They statethat vaccines cause the conditions that cause these demyleinating disorders.


Who is this court composed of? Scientists? If not then what they concede is meaningless in terms of research. If it is composed of scientists, have their conclusions undergone peer review in scientific journals?
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 18 (view)
 
A CURE for MS !!
Posted: 11/24/2009 8:51:42 PM

I won't bother posting anything more


Promise?
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 16 (view)
 
A CURE for MS !!
Posted: 11/24/2009 7:34:24 PM

I been eatin' chicken most of my life and don't see that the dna or protien or any of that stuff has eaten my brain away.


But I bet there are side effects, you just haven't made the intuitive leap for cause & effect. Lemme take a stab for ya...

1) Eating lots of chicken
2) I'm betting you think you ain't getting enough sex ( you wanna get laid more)
3) chickens lay eggs
4) eating chicken makes you think like a chicken; you can't lay eggs so your bdoy channels that to wanting to lay/get laid

( btw, everyone should feel sorry for eggs, they only get laid once)
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 14 (view)
 
A CURE for MS !!
Posted: 11/24/2009 6:45:06 PM

If you do some research, you will find MS is caused by vaccines. ... Anyone who can GOOGLE vaccine damage can read about the dangers for weeks.


Yeah, and everybody knows that EVERYTHING posted on the internet is the truth!! Why should scientists waste time documenting their research & having it reviewed by their peers to prove their claims? Just let them post on the 'net. Heck, why leave it in the hands of scientists at all? We can observe reactions & events and make our own deductions.

Let's see....

1) during Canada's winter, the Earth's orbit is closer to the sun than during Canada's summer

2) our winters should be hotter than our summer, but they aren't...why?...Hmmmmm

AHA!

3) leaves start falling off the trees in autumn & are generally completely gone during winter

Soooo...

4) we have winter in Canada because the trees lose their leaves, and thus the heat ( caused by the sun) reflected from the ground escapes out of the atmosphere back into space. we can observe the weather warming in the spring, as the trees are beginning to bud, that's how we get back to the nice hot summers

A nice simple explanation for our harsh winters, & no science needed, just straightforward observation & deduction.

If MS is caused by vaccines, I guess that'd mean MS didn't exist at all prior to vaccines being administered. Guess that means AIDS is caused by giving women the vote; no one worried about cathing AIDS before women had the vote.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 19 (view)
 
legal query
Posted: 11/18/2009 7:29:09 PM

And a 3 way too!




Hmmm couldn't be a three-way, I didn't have any camera handy
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 17 (view)
 
legal query
Posted: 11/17/2009 3:00:41 PM

You’ve asked that question before…


Yes, & you didn't answer it then either. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt & considered that
a) you either hadn't seen my previous query
or
b) you did but hadn't originated any thread at that time ( but may have since my earlier query, hence I asked again)

Don't worry tho, one day you may figure out how to start a new thread or perhaps may even come up with an original thought that you could use as a basis for a thread.

Now you can go back under your bridge & wait for the 3 billy goats gruff.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 15 (view)
 
legal query
Posted: 11/17/2009 1:37:52 PM
I suppose there isn't any protction in place so the witness' testimony can't be used as evidence against them in a seperate trial.
Read msg #2… you should consider getting checked for Alzheimer’s, or possibly ADD... if it's neither of those, just try to improve your reading skills.


Sure, and we all know that all laws in the criminal code are simple, concise & not open to other interpretations; and the legal system ( police, crown attorneys and defence attorneys) NEVER never overstep their boundaries to geta conviction or acquital.

And we're all protected by the Charter, unless they use the notwithstanding clause, and Canada is officially a bilingual country... except in Quebec.

And even if the legal system can't use your actual statements in another proceeding against you, the information you give in those statements may give the police enough information to open up lines of investigation that wouldn't have occured to them if you hadn't made the statements.

Btw flyin, can you direct us to any threads you started here? Just curious.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 12 (view)
 
legal query
Posted: 11/17/2009 7:56:38 AM

If a witness is subpoenaed to testify, then they have to give their evidence as per the Captain's comments.

However, an accused is not required to testify in their own case and they usually don't.


So the accused is protected by the system, but a witness who isn't charged with anything is required to give testimony that may incriminte them. And I suppose there isn't any protction in place so the witness' testimony can't be used as evidence against them in a seperate trial.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 10 (view)
 
legal query
Posted: 11/16/2009 10:55:58 AM
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/criminal- this one proves your original one wrong. Guess that would mean you were the one who was saying that you got to be the arbiter of what words mean.



Naw, I never claimed to be a member of the legal profession, so I can only work with what the dictionaries actually say, not with what members of the legal profession say the words in the dictionary mean.

Or maybe I don't have access to all the online legal dictionaries; I'm sure there are "legal" dictionaries & "defence attorney" dictionaries.

ie: legal dictionary defines the person as a criminal; defence dictionary degines the person as a victim, innocent, persecuted race etc etc.


btw, are you a lawyer Captain?
You seriously have to ask?


Yeah, I do. I've never asked directly B4 if you are a lawyer, and I don't recall any of your posts stating definitely that you are. You could be a paralegal, a law student, someone who's studied law, or whatever.


Or are we required to give testimony that would or could incriminate ourself? [sic]" is easily answered online, and is summed up as kinda and yes.


That's the problem with a lot of the law, the "kinda".


Uh, we have freedoms and rights in the charter. They are two very separate things.


Sure, and the government can toss in the "notwithstanding" option & void your rights.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 45 (view)
 
Restitution can actually have a positive effect
Posted: 11/15/2009 7:23:18 AM

Your tax dollars do buy cigarettes, but the little ones are on their own to figure out how to get them with their allowance.....

It seems, that unless it is court ordered, that the little one are allowed to smoke. There is something about it being against their human rights to deny them smoke breaks....


But as youths under 18, how is it they are allowed to get cigrettes when it's illegal to sell cigarettes to people under 18? Unless their parents drop off the smokes, someone's breaking the law somewhere...
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 43 (view)
 
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Posted: 11/14/2009 11:17:34 PM

Maybe if winnipeg has such a problem then your mayor should create a bi-law or two to toughen things up or declare the city under martial law. I think he has that right and definately has the duty to protect the citizenry,as does the province and the federal government


Perhaps a curfew for anyone under 18 years of age. And place the city under martial law from sundown to sunrise; anyone caught breaking the law during this time would be arrested by the military & could experience the military's justice system ( no YCJA there).

Also bring in laws similar to those in the US ( I think the common name for it is castle law) where a person's s home is their castle & they can use any means they feel are necessary to protect it from home invaders & other criminals.

( with appropriate warning signs posted:

"Anyone found here at night will be found here in the morning"

or

"Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be shot again"
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 7 (view)
 
legal query
Posted: 11/14/2009 5:18:08 PM

Simply they have inalienable rights we have freedoms granted by parliament. Ours are revokable theirs are not.


Time to start stockpiling firearms & ammunition. We'll need them anyway when the US invades us for our water.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 5 (view)
 
legal query
Posted: 11/13/2009 8:57:30 PM

Depending upon whether police took an initial statement from you and how they took that statement (and some other factors) if you choose not to answer in a criminal matter, the Crown may apply to the Court to have your original statement entered into evidence for the truth of what it says even though you refuse to testify in court.


Well, I do have a case coming up early next year, where I will be testifying ( as a witness, no worries) in a serious assulat case. And if I did forget it could be because the incident happened in August 2007 & the defence has been able to drag it out this long & keep their client in the remand centre awaiting trial.

Luckily I didn't forget
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 3 (view)
 
legal query
Posted: 11/13/2009 8:06:38 PM

Sigh. Why here instead of google?


Well, I was hoping to hear from a lawyer & get their explanation ( btw, are you a lawyer Captain?) and start what some might find an interesting thread.

Google. Great idea.
Here's some more stuff from Google:

www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html for info on how the Apollo moon landings were a hoax.

www.nostradamus101.com for the predictions of Nostradamus

www.freepsychicnetwork.com for free psychic readings online ( syas they're free, I didn't bother exploring the site)

Besides Captain_Girly _Girl, when I posted the definition of "criminal" from an online legal dictionary, you said :


Sue- you can't use common meanings of words when in a legal context and the word has a specific legal meaning


even tho the legal definition of criminal from the online legal dictionary was pretty clear & straightforward. Can't use the common meanings of words? Even when from a legal dictionary ? I guess those in the legal profession have their own special codes for what the words they use mean.

( ie: my client is innocent could mean that their client is innocentor that their client is guilty but I'm being paid to help them beat the rap )

So I guess the lesson here for the other fish is that Captain_Girly_Girl is the sole arbiter of what articles we find online are valid and which are wrong ( because she doesn't agree with them).

Since we apparently can't plead the Canadian equivalent of th efifth, we could just say "I don't remember".
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 1 (view)
 
legal query
Posted: 11/13/2009 8:55:01 AM
I'm sure most of us are familiar with the proverbial "pleading the 5th" in American court rooms ( ie: refusing to testify as you may incriminate yourself).

Does the Canadian system of justice have a similar clause/ruling ? Or are we required to give testimony that would or could incriminate ourself?
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 40 (view)
 
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Posted: 11/13/2009 8:48:49 AM

despite your mislabeled antifreeze in your car. I've told you my legal opinion is you're currently committing a criminal act and that you'd be liable for at least crim neg cause death


They would have to be able to prove the inappropriately labelled bottle was deliberately left there for the express purpose of poisoning a car thief/thieves. Also, unless they happened to find the them in the stolen car with the bottle in their possesion it'd be very hard for the authorities to learn where the bottle came from.

I can picture it now, interviewing the thief ( if they survived) and compiling a list of vehicles they stole & trying to figure out which ( if any) vehicle the bottle came from.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 39 (view)
 
Moon landing tapes?
Posted: 11/12/2009 8:37:52 PM

and who filmed it lifting off ..?


That was done by a guy controlling the camera from Earth; and he was sweating bullets because he was afraid he'd blow it; he had to take the time lag ( due to the distance) into account & start telling the camera to pan up B4 the ascent moduler actually started lifting off.

who filmed armstrong limbing down the ladder..?

That was an external camera monted on the LEM. Not sure if it was controlled by Aldrin or was automatic.


emulsions on film, cannot stand extreme temperatures... it either starts melting or freeze up..


Yeah, that's a puzzle; people would also have trouble if exposed to those conditions... good thing they were wearing their spacesuits

You don't suppose they had the cameras in special casing with internal temperature controls, do you?

Of course if it was live footage we were seeing, then it'd be a TV camera transmitting the footage, so no internal film required.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 38 (view)
 
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Posted: 11/11/2009 10:11:02 PM

Again, severe, but BRIEF. Humans adapt. You can make it incredibly severe but you then create a person who is not capable of returning to normal society after being institutionalized/traumatized for so long.


Ok, you steal something, you getyour hand chopped off; that's severe & brief.


Mandatory minimums do not rehabilitate offenders.


The system's been concentrating on rehabilitating the criminals for decades, and that has obviously not been working, so let's switch to punishment instead & see how that works. Mandatory minimums keep those convicted off tthe streets & it's hard tosteal cars, break into houses, and rob people while incarcerated.


And if we don't rehabilitate offenders we have to warehouse them repeatedly. They become a drain on resources as opposed to ever contributing to society. It's lose lose.


And how much of a drain on resources is arresting repeat offenders ? Or arresting individuals, releasing themon bail or promises toappear & arresting themagain, relaseing them, over & over?

I'd rather the resources be drained keeping them incarcerated & the streets that much safer than having them roaming around free.

And if we brought back the death penalty, they don't cost us anything after they're executed.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 36 (view)
 
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Posted: 11/10/2009 6:42:44 PM

So- because the kids have a shitty home, we're going to make jail even worse than home?


You mentioned the justice system and CFS as both being broken systems; the part of my post you quoted was way to work on fixing the justice system, not how to deal with wards of CFS. These are 2 seperate issues.


Do you suggest we only feed them once every two days if they're in jail?


I didn't suggest they be sent to jail at all, again that was the part of my post on the justice system, not CFS. The suggestions I made were for prisoners, not CFS wards.


despite your mislabeled antifreeze in your car....my legal opinion is you're currently committing a criminal act and that you'd be liable for at least crim neg cause death should your bottle trick work, but you still stick to it



Actually, I'm not driving any vehicles right now, the antifreeze suggsetion was just that, a suggestion... anyone reading it can feel free to use the suggestion. If someone steals a person's vehicle & that happens to occur, well they shouldn't have stolen the vehicle & karma bit 'em in the tush. And if it did happen somewhere, it'd sure deter that car thief from stealing anything else.

I guess next you'll be saying that if someone's breaking into your residence you shouldn't use force to stop them because that'd be assault.


Punishment to truly work, generally has to be severe and brief- humans are easily institutionalized and adaptable. Give a man 3 years, and the next time, he's like "pfft, I could do a nickel with my eyes closed."



OK then, let's make the punishments severe. Minimum mandatory sentences, with the sentences being doubled with each re-offence. Here's your cell, you have a 5 year sentence, we'll unlock the door of your cell in 5 years.

Let's make car theft a felony, and adjust the laws so that anyone that dies while you're commiting a felony and guess what? Their death is now premeditated murder.

You commit a crime while carrying a firearm? 5 years mandatory. You discharged the firearm while commiting the crime? 10 years mandatory. The bullet from the firearm caused someone an injury? 15 years mandatory. The person died as a result of your discharging the firearm? Life sentence, & since we don't have the death penalty no release until your death.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 34 (view)
 
Defence lawyers say the stupidest things...
Posted: 11/10/2009 10:38:05 AM
But I suppose Susan, you're just happy neither girl will be joy riding in your car.


I'm glad they won't be stealing anyone's car ( and possibly killing someone while joyriding, like that cab driver), but that's the only silver lining in these incidents.

I agree the justice system isn't working, but a lot of that is due to the YCJA and to the emphasis on rehabilitating the criminals. Rehabilitation is a good idea, and does work in many instances. BUT if the person is a repeat offender, then the legal system's view should be :

"OK, we tried rehabilitating you, that didn't work. now we're going to punish you & see if that keeps you from commiting criminal acts."

And no, by punishment I don't mean beatings, I mean making the jail someplace you wouldn't want to be returned to.

No TV, no internet, but have a well stocked library. If you can't read make classes available to teach the inmates. Perhaps a movie or 2 every Saturday night, but only for the inmates who haven't done something that warranted disciplinary action; withhold the movie viewing as a punishment.

No more serving 2/3 of your sentence & being released automatically; if you are sentenced to 5 years ( or 8 or 15, whatever the # is) you serve all those years unless you have been a model prisoner; make the prisoner earn a shortened sentence.


One, a 14 year old girl who was involved with CFS but never apprehended who hung herself in her closet, and the other, her 15 year old friend who had a new born, and CFS involvement again who committed suicide as well, though I'm not sure of how.

Personally, when we have 14 year olds committing suicide, I think that's clear evidence the systems, both justice and CFS aren't working.


I'm not sure how CFS not apprehending the 14 year old and CFS being involved with the 15 year old is proof the justice system isn't working; it does show that CFS isn't working. Are you suggesting CFS incarcerate it's wards to prevent these types of incidents? Or is CFS supposed to allow youths (that are supposed to be under it's care ) to roam freely but then have CFS take responsibility when these types of things hhappen?

Oh, and dudley, my threadf about having a costume made was deleted before I wrote down the name of that tailor shop, could you repost the shop name or send the info to mymailbox?
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 31 (view)
 
Defence lawyers say the stupidest things...
Posted: 11/9/2009 8:03:28 AM
^^^^ Sadly, no. I was bitten by a spider years ago in BC, but unfortunately it wasn't a radioactive one. Besides, Winnipeg doesn't have enough tall buildings spread over a large enough area for a hero like Spider-Man to work.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 29 (view)
 
Defence lawyers say the stupidest things...
Posted: 11/8/2009 11:51:11 PM

Now we have a system that tells them they will not be punished for their crimes


And a system thatalso tells the law abiding citizens they shouldn't resist, and should call the police when these situations arise & leave it to them to deal with . Sorry, but if I follow their guidelines & someone is breaking into my place my options are to call 911 ( and wait how long before the police can be dispatched to my residence? ) or escape from my residence & leave it for the criminal to ransack.

Naw, I'll go with Plan B & assume anyone breaking into my place is doing so to kill me, and will take appropriate action against the killer. If he turns out to not be armed, oh well no harm done.

How long would it take for the police to respond to a report of my car being stolen? An hour? Several hours? A couple days? And what if the thief is speeding along in my car & ends up killing someone ( like that cab driver that was killed) ? Knowing I could have stopped the thief but didn't would make me feel guilty; better I use whatever force I deem necessary to stop the thief so he's there for the police to arrest. If he happens to die while I'm stopping him no harm done.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 10 (view)
 
3 words after sex!
Posted: 11/8/2009 4:07:46 PM
Usually I just say

Mmmppphh mmmmppphhh mmmphhhhh

cause of the ballgag.

But there are other options...


stop the webcam

ok, next position
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 4 (view)
 
To get or not get pet insurance?
Posted: 11/8/2009 9:19:55 AM
It may be a good idea, especially if you own a cat. Then when your cat catches fire ( well, people ARE always saying they have to put the cat out...), you have the insurance $$ to get a new one.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 27 (view)
 
Defence lawyers say the stupidest things...
Posted: 11/6/2009 10:59:54 PM
Perhaps the answer is that since the legal system has no tools to deal with these young offenders, citizens should be given carte blanche to use any means they can to stop the young car thiefs, arsonists, burglars...

Someone is breaking into your house? Use of deadly force is allowed. Someone is setting fire to your garage? Use of deadly force is allowed. Someone is trying to stel your vehicle? Use of deadly force is allowed.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 25 (view)
 
Defence lawyers say the stupidest things...
Posted: 11/5/2009 11:52:32 PM

First you tell the parents/guardians that they are not allowed any effective means of control over a child then you expect them to be responsible for the actions of the child you wouldn't let them gain control of.


I never told any parents they aren't allowed any effective means of control. In any event, if the parent feels that way, then when their spawn commits criminal acts the parents can tell the judge that since they as parents aren't allowed to discipline their child, they're turning their child over to the justice department to see that they're raised properly. Let CFS deal with them, and if CFS isn't able to control them then we build really remote wilderness camps with teachers there.

If the youth doesn't attend classes & work the youth doesn't eat. Maybe a movie night once a week for the youths there that haven't misbehaved. No TV, no internet, but provide a library... if the youth leaves the camp then the youth takes their chances in the wild, no search parties and we let nature deal with them.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 23 (view)
 
Defence lawyers say the stupidest things...
Posted: 11/5/2009 7:52:48 PM

locking up young people in prison for fairly minor offences (such as vandalism or stealing) can make the problems that lead to them committing crime become worse and introduce them to a life of criminality by being exposed to other offenders


I'd say if they're commiting vandalism & stealing it means they've already been introduced to a life of criminality. If we aren't going to incarcerate the offenders ( and for minor crimes that's quite likely) then someone has to be made responsible for the actions of the young offenders & should be made to make restitution for their offences.

The only ones that can be made responsible are the youths themselves or the youths' parents or guardians. The currnet system, the young offenders commit crimes & get at most a stern lecture before being released; so all they learn is that there are no serious consequences for their actions.

The boy used as the example to start this thread has a Wii. Maybe if it was confiscated, auctioned off, and the funds went to thevictims of his crimes he'd figure out that if I do bad, I get punished. Maybe the youths that start fires should have their possesions collected into a pile & burned, then fire might not be such aneat thing. And that'd be cheaper than incarcerating them.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 21 (view)
 
Defence lawyers say the stupidest things...
Posted: 11/5/2009 12:14:04 AM
Guess the solution is to put collars around their necks instead of around their ankles. Make the collars impossible to remove without the right electronic key. Lock a base unit in their residence. Set a reasonable distance into the base unit ( perhaps 100 feet).

When the person gets more than 100 feet away from the base unit, the explosive charge in the collar goes off. Problem solved.

Or a collar with an indelible dye package in it, like some banks & ATM machines use. If the person gets more than100 feet from the base unit, or trys to remove the collar, the dye explodes & colours the punk. Then have an automatic reward system in place, bring the dye tinted person to the nearest police station & get your reward. If the person resists, use whatever force is necessary to subdue them.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 19 (view)
 
Defence lawyers say the stupidest things...
Posted: 11/4/2009 8:11:48 PM

Could be she should sit down give him some titty and talk through his fears then tell him how special he is and how the rest of the world is obviously wrong in their way of living.


Naw, ifthe youth isn't a "bad" kid, the lawyer hasn't seen him upset & he just finds himself in the middle of sticky situations then the youth should be released into the lawyer's custody, & live with the lawyer until his case is heard.

And as usual my suggestions on how to deal with these kind of cases are brushed aside was unworkable, but no alternatives are offered up

Guess we should all enroll in the liberal bleeding heart "Handwringing 101" course & deal with these problems by lamenting the system doesn't work & wring our hands in dismay ( students may supply their own crying towels, or a crying towel will be provided for a nominal fee. Should you be unable to afford the fee, then no problem, we'll getthe government to pay for it).
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 17 (view)
 
Defence lawyers say the stupidest things...
Posted: 11/3/2009 1:18:04 PM
When your "solution" causes all other kinds problems, its not much of a solution.



OK CFS isn't a viable option? Then lock them up or make the parent/guardian pay..

What's your solution?


And if CFS is f***ed up ( like the legal system) then it should be fixed.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 15 (view)
 
Defence lawyers say the stupidest things...
Posted: 11/3/2009 12:21:35 PM

Looks like the lawyer said it; and I never saw a retraction in the paper stating the lawyer was misquoted.
That’s either a comment from a facetious and sarcastic individual, or from someone who reads at a fourth grade level.


Try to keep up, flyin.

The article states :


The boy's lawyer said he's not out of control, he just repeatedly finds himself in the middle of sticky situations.


Now if you read that sentence it states :

The boy's lawyer SAID

Not "the boy's lawyer implied he's not out of control, he just repeatedly finds himself inthe middle of sticky situations"
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 14 (view)
 
Defence lawyers say the stupidest things...
Posted: 11/3/2009 12:15:33 PM
But do you really think asking a kid who's parents are on social assistance to pay for damage the kid caused is going to work? So his little brothers and sisters go without food for a week because Mom had to pay for a window?


So you're saying the parent/guardian of the kid ( in your hypothetical example) shouldn't be responsible for the actions of their child?

Hmm let's see then...

The youth isn't responsible becasue they are a youth....

The parent or guardian shouldn't be held responsible because they can't afford it....

( how is thatargument supposed to work? the legal system isn't supposed to impose sentences the parent or guardian can't afford???? )

So if you're on assistance you can't be held liable for the actions of your little angel?

Here's the solution :

Option 1, the parent/guardian says I can't afford to pay for what my child did so the child is taken by CFS & the parent is off the hook; problem solved.

Option 2 the parent or guardian keeps their bundle of joy & their assiatance $$ is garnisheed a portion ( let's say $20 a month) until the cost is recouped.

The current system, no one but the taxpayer pays, and we cansee how well that works.


Seriously- the child hasn't been convicted of anything yet!!!


No, he hasn't, but he also hasn't been cleared of the charges yet, so according to the online legal dictionaryI perused, he is still a criminal by definition.


Legal Dictionary

Main Entry: 1crim·i·nal
Pronunciation: 'kri-m&-n&l
Function: adjective
1 : relating to, involving, or being a crime
2 : relating to crime or its prosecution criminal action> —compare CIVIL 4, PENAL

Main Entry: 2criminal
Function: noun
1 : one who has committed a crime
2 : a person who has been convicted of a crime
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 11 (view)
 
Defence lawyers say the stupidest things...
Posted: 11/2/2009 9:47:08 PM

It looks like "sticky situations" was the word choice of the reporter. The article quotes extensively about what was said in the courtroom and each direct phrase that was quoted was placed in quotation marks. The phrase sticky situations is not put in quotation marks, so it seems unlikely that the defence lawyer used those words herself.


But the article states

"The boy's lawyer said he's not out of control, he just repeatedly finds himself in the middle of sticky situations. "

Looks like the lawyer said it; and I never saw a retraction in the paper stating the lawyer was misquoted.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 10 (view)
 
Defence lawyers say the stupidest things...
Posted: 11/2/2009 9:45:21 PM

Just out of curiosity, Susan please enlighten us as to what you would say on behalf of this client were you representing him. It is easy to be critical. I don't see you offering up a better alternative.


As I'm not a lawyer, or trained in the law, I wouldn't pretend to sound like I'd know what to say, but I know that if my client were charged with :

1) vandalism

2) assault

3) breaching court orders

( some details? : allegedly used a rock-filled sock to smash the door windows of his elementary school.... Days later, he chased a classmate and punched him several times in the face... breaching a court order he not attend his school. He is accused of breaching that order at least three times. ... allegedly hit another boy over the head with a pool cue... latest arrest was Oct. 16 when he allegedly attacked a male student and female teacher at his new school following a game of dodge ball)

I wouldn't say "he's not out of control, he just repeatedly finds himself in the middle of sticky situations"


Maybe not all people connected with the legal system are stupid.


Definitely not, but these ( the screwups, errors, etc) are the incidents that will be reported by the media and that the public will respond to.

Like the old saying goes, justice must not only be done, justice must be seen to be done ( I may have mangled the actual quote, if someone has the exact quote pleaseenlighten us). When we see repeat offenders get only a slap on the wrist ( and in the case of young offenders, usually not even that) then of course the public starts viewing the justice system as failing.


What are you going to do, send a twelve year old to the Federal Pen.?


No, but for a start make the youth's parent, parents, or guardian financially responsible for any damages their child causes. Junior stole and totalled a car? Guess what dad ( or mom) you just bought a car. Junior set fire to someone's garage? Guess what mom ( or dad) , you're buying the victim a new garage.

There's a couple alternate solutions for you.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 91 (view)
 
Manitoba to hike minimum wage to $9
Posted: 11/1/2009 11:06:03 PM

Getting back to this thread; should a company be required to raise the wages of exisiting employees by whatever the rise in minimum wage is?


Absolutely and they should also be made to pay all personal expenses for each individual employee such as housing and medical costs, clothing, food etc. There should be abolutely no reason why every company shouldn't pay for every expense of its employees as well as give them whatever wage they desire. after all why would a company want to profit........


My point is many people may start a minimum wage job, work there for a time getting regular wage increases from their employer (to reward their work & company loyalty, and to keep productive workers), then see new employees get hired off the street at or near their current wage because the minimum wage has been bumped up a few times while they've been employed there. So the new employees get the same ( or close to) wages as employees that have been there a while.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 7 (view)
 
We're all equal under the law. Unless..........
Posted: 11/1/2009 4:32:13 PM

We are talking about the North here. Life is a little more free there.


Funny, I hear about the criminal code of Canada; I never hear about the southern Canada criminal code or the northern Canada criminal code. Bottom line is that with 3 convictions of drunk driving ( never mind the weapons offence conviction) he shouldn't be given "another chance" to gethis act together; he's been given enough chances.

I wonder what the legal system's response will be if this individual gets drunk and drives again and ends up killing somone; will they take a large share of the blame for allowing this individual to be out in the community? Perhaps the ones that decided he could serve his time in his community should also be named as accesories tto mansalaughter should this happen. The story states


Murray Clearsky, 53, was given a month-long conditional sentence this week, which allows him to remain free in the community of Waywayseecappo, located about 300 kilometres northwest of Winnipeg.


Does this mean if he leaves Waywayseecappo during this time he gets jailed?
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 5 (view)
 
We're all equal under the law. Unless..........
Posted: 11/1/2009 2:40:16 PM

The whole point of having a justice system is to serve the public interest, to keep law and order. He will help with the H1N1 concerns of his community (think of it as community service) and the rest of the time he will be under curfew.


Gee a curfew will work great for him.... 3rd conviction, refusing a breathalyzer on an earlier conviction, and a conviction for possesing a dangerous weapon...


Sorry, he's had enough chances to get his act together, obviously giving him a 2nd, 3rd of however many chances won't work with this guy; he should be incarceerated. That'd be a lesson for his community.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 4 (view)
 
We're all equal under the law. Unless..........
Posted: 11/1/2009 2:36:38 PM

How will he help the concerns of his community?



Well, maybe they figure since this was his 3rd drunk driving conviction, and now the media is reporting shortages of the vaccine, he'd help out by getting drunk & killing people in his community while driving... & they're hoping he kills people before they've been immunized, thus ensuring an adequate supply of the vaccine....
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 1 (view)
 
We're all equal under the law. Unless..........
Posted: 11/1/2009 8:52:02 AM
I thought we were all supposed to be treated equally under the law ( hence the old expression "justice is blind" ). Apparently I was mistaken; it appears if you're a Manitoba First Nations chief the rules are different for you.

from the Winnipeg Free Press Oct. 31/09 :


Third drunk driving conviction: Wayway chief spared jail time to attend to band's H1N1 needs :

The chief of a Manitoba First Nation has avoided a jail sentence for his third drunk driving conviction because of his community's battle with the H1N1 flu virus.

Murray Clearsky, 53, was given a month-long conditional sentence this week, which allows him to remain free in the community of Waywayseecappo, located about 300 kilometres northwest of Winnipeg. Crown and defence lawyers cited "special circumstances" in not seeking custody for Clearsky.

"" said Crown attorney Shaun Sass. "Given these special circumstances, it's not contrary to the public interest to let him serve his sentence in the community."

The Crown had originally planned to seek between 14 and 30 days behind bars. Defence lawyer Jay Prober told court Clearsky has a vital public role to serve, which would be severely impacted if he were locked up at this critical time.

Clearsky was charged in December 2007 after his erratic driving caught the eye of RCMP officers doing a highway checkstop in western Manitoba. Clearsky nearly crashed into a vehicle and almost drove into the ditch while fishtailing down the highway, court was told.

Police immediately recognized him and caught a strong smell of alcohol from inside the car. Clearsky's speech was slurred and his face flushed. He was verbally combative with police and had to be restrained and lodged in the holding cells for several hours until he could sober up.

Blood-alcohol tests revealed he was double the legal limit at the time of his arrest.

"He realizes he made a mistake. He was lucky there were no accidents or injuries," said Prober.

Clearsky is the father of three young children, has a Grade 8 education and has been chief at Waywayseecappo since 1986, his lawyer said.

He was convicted in 1983 of refusing a breath sample and given a fine. Clearsky was convicted of the same charge in July 2004 and given a $1,380 fine and year-long driving prohibition. He also has a previous conviction for possession of a dangerous weapon from 1987.

"I know I should have learned from the past. I apologize for what happened," Clearsky told court during his sentencing hearing. "I know it happened quite a while back. I've done a lot of thinking since."

He has been attending Alcoholics Anonymous meetings on the reserve since his arrest.

"I try to do the best I can on behalf of my people. They have a lot of trust in me," he said. "Nobody's perfect. But still, this shouldn't have happened."

Provincial court Judge Lee Ann Martin said Clearsky had failed his community.

"With your role as a chief of the band, the words that come to mind are 'Shame on you,'" said Martin. "You're in a position where people look up to you. People expect you to do better. When you're out in public you need to be stronger. You are the one who needs to be setting the example."

Clearsky must be in his home under a curfew at all times, expect when he needs to attend to reserve business. He must also abstain from alcohol and is banned from driving for the next year.


???
Clearsky said he had been at a Christmas party in a neighbouring community and was "stranded" when his driver left early.


Oh, so it's not HIS fault, it's his driver's fault... what a load of ****.

And why is his presence necessary to attend to his band's H1N1 needs? Is he the only person there that's trained on how to administer the vaccine? Whatever the reason he's needed there during the H1N1 threat, why not defer sentencing until that crisis is over then sentence him to custody? Just another example of how the legal system isn't "fair & unbiased".

Using the flawed logic displayed in this ruling, I guess the next time the sole breadwinner of a family commits a crime & is convicted, he (or she) can avoid jail time because
We've crafted a sentence that will allow him to attend to the band and their needs during this H1N1 epidemic


Just substitue the word family for the word band and problem solved.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Defence lawyers say the stupidest things...
Posted: 10/30/2009 1:51:13 PM
Actually, the thread title is too restictive, it should also include stupid judgements by the judges & goofs by the crown attorneys & police.

I gotta win a big lottery soI can create a halfway house for repeat offenders to live in while on parole, to prove they have been rehabilitated. Of course the place would have to be in a good area of the city, not areas like the north end, to allow them to avoid exposure to the criminal elements thay could keep them from becoming valued members of society.... maybe a nice big house in a posh neighborhood ( hopefully next door to a judge) full of bleeding heart liberals that say incarceration is wrong for rehabilitation.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Pandemic swine flu-someting to ponder or NOT
Posted: 10/30/2009 1:47:06 PM

It hasn’t been produced or shipped, at least not enough to do the majority of the population… so we haven’t paid for it yet.


I doubt the companies involved would make the vaccine unless they had a guarantee from the feds that the feds would purchase at least a minimum amount of the drug.... said minimum being enough to ensure they make big profits. THen anything made & sold after the minimum is added $$$$ for them.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Pandemic swine flu-someting to ponder or NOT
Posted: 10/30/2009 1:45:10 PM

remember Bush after 911 and his supporters constantly on the tube insisting that they must go to war because Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Turns out they were WRONG and knew all along what they were doing, merely wanted to start a war and go into Iraq


Well, WMD or not, the Iraq war may have been necessary ( they should have blasted the whole country into rubble until Saddam's head was delivered during the 1st Iraq war)... 'course if Bush'd had any balls he would have arranged to smuggle a small primitive nuke into Iraq & detonated it... then he could have said "See? They have weapons of mass destruction... or at least they had one & someone must have screwed up" "
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Pandemic swine flu-someting to ponder or NOT
Posted: 10/30/2009 8:51:01 AM

She suggests that the powers that be, pharmaceutical companies stand to make a lot of money as do the investors.


Well, if the vaccine is produced & shipped ( which it has been) to the clinics for administering to the public I'd think the pharmaceutical companies and investors have already made their money, whether we get the shot or not.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Defence lawyers say the stupidest things...
Posted: 10/29/2009 7:49:35 AM
And the kid who was punched in the face (allegedly) is 2 years older than the accused.


OK I didn't realize it was alright to punch people older than yourself.



the report from the youth bail worker was positive


Big surprise.


The kid hasn't been convicted of anything yet, and some of the charges were supposed to be dropped when he finished some classes, he just hadn't finished all the classes (There's a lot missing from the report, as usual).


Doesn't matter if he's been convicted yet or not, he's still a criminal until the charges are dropped ( and if he did commit a crime he's still a criminal even if the charges are dropped).


Mainly, it's the "sticky situations" comment the lawyer made that sounds stupid.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 1 (view)
 
Defence lawyers say the stupidest things...
Posted: 10/28/2009 8:53:11 PM
After reading a news report in the paper, the title for this thread jumped out at me, reminded me of Art Linkletter's long running show & books "Kids Say the Darndest Things".

Here's what the defence lawyer for the 12 year old boy said:


The boy's lawyer said he's not out of control, he just repeatedly finds himself in the middle of sticky situations.

"I know it doesn't look good," Serena Puranen said. "I've never seen him enraged, I've never seen him upset. He's a 12-year-old who is generally quite scared."


( I guess "finds himself in the middle of sticky situations" is legalese for " keeps breaking the law & getting caught".

Here's the news story :



He's 12 years old and in the past nine months has been charged with everything from vandalism to assault and breaching court orders.
The courts have been catching and releasing him for months and the Crown says he is out of control and should not be released on bail.
What to do?

If you're Judge Marvin Garfinkle, you hit him where it hurts. At a hearing last week, Garfinkle granted the boy bail, but only after he agreed to provide the court his most valued possession as security -- his Nintendo Wii.

The boy's release conditions include keeping the peace, appearing for court dates, living with his grandmother and participating in a bail management program. If he breaches any of the conditions, it's bye-bye Wii.

"He is pledging as a security, akin to a cash deposit, his Nintendo Wii," Garfinkle said. "And if he doesn't comply, he loses it."

The boy's first run-in with the law was last February when he allegedly used a rock-filled sock to smash the door windows of his elementary school. Days later, he chased a classmate and punched him several times in the face.

Police released him on an undertaking but it wasn't long before he was in trouble again, this time for breaching a court order he not attend his school. He is accused of breaching that order at least three times.

"It's almost as if he's taunting the school," said Crown attorney Susan Baragar.

In August, he allegedly hit another boy over the head with a pool cue. His latest arrest was Oct. 16 when he allegedly attacked a male student and female teacher at his new school following a game of dodge ball.

"While the youth is 12 years old, it is our submission he is clearly out of control and will not obey any rules your honour may lay down for him," Baragar told Garfinkle.

The boy's lawyer said he's not out of control, he just repeatedly finds himself in the middle of sticky situations.

"I know it doesn't look good," Serena Puranen said. "I've never seen him enraged, I've never seen him upset. He's a 12-year-old who is generally quite scared."


Breaching court orders numerous times, breaking windows, assault, assault with a pool cue, assault again... these are "sticky situations" ???

Do defence lawyers have to take an IQ test & score low before they can become lawyers? And I guess if the defence lawyer doesn't personally see his client enraged ( or breaking the law) then it doesn't count ?????

So now in the near future guess the young criminal ( oops I mean young offender) will be charged with theft for stealing a Wii.

Feel free to post any other examples of defence lawyers making ludicrous statements.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 90 (view)
 
Businesses Asking for Tips.
Posted: 10/28/2009 8:51:19 AM

Over Taxed?.... how do you think we get the money for all the 'Free Healthcare"


I don't mind when the tax $$$ goes to something like healthcare or infrastucture etc. It's the tax $$ wasted on things like arts grants, the CBC, sports grants, foreign aid ( when we have enuf things to fix in this country) and such.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Will my new girlfriend (whenever that will be) accept me for breaking up from the familly?
Posted: 10/27/2009 1:39:26 PM
You say "whenever that will be" ... does this new girlfriend exist yet or are you speculating on what the future may bring? If not, you want posters here to determine how a non-existent person will react should you tell them about breaking from your family, when we know nothing about said girl's personality/character. If that's the case, flip a coin to decide how she'd react.
 susan_cd
Joined: 5/16/2007
Msg: 17 (view)
 
I need advice on the custody issue
Posted: 10/27/2009 1:34:20 PM
self respecting lawyer


??? self respecting lawyer ??? that's like saying " honest politician"
 
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