If the big bang created the Universe, what existed just one second before?

Many of them are scholars in their own right.

I found these rules work and should apply to christian dating .

You see, vanity is a human trait and I can not imagine a devine being , behaving so petty that they would banish you to hell if you simply do not believe .

On the other hand, what if I asked for video proof of a quark or a black hole or a quantum singularity? Nothing edited or CGI please. See?

And it never hurts a "true believer" to have their reality violently shook up as far as I'm concerned.

Christians are the ones being blamed for the most. I know Buddhists and Hindus and Muslims are againsts many of these things mentioned in the OP.

my feeling is this, by living and believing a Christian life, if I am wrong, and you are right, the worst that will have happened is that I will have attempted to lead a good life. If I am right, and you are wrong, well, the consequences for you are more dire.

I have one solution that may stem the tide. Repeal thier tax exempt status. Let's see who is spiritual now.

Please don't lose faith-it will form.......There will be a ONE-WORLD religion for you! But it will be Satan's.

Don't fall for it! Trust Jesus Christ only! Fair warning!

"And as Jesus passed forth thence, HE (JESUS) saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and HE (JESUS) saith unto HIM (MATTHEW), follow ME (JESUS) And HE (MATTHEW) arose, and followed HIM (JESUS)."

(Matthew 9:9)

It looks to me that the "He's" and the "Him's" of the above quotation do not refer to Jesus or Matthew as its author, but some third person writing what he saw and heard?

I give up...its impossible to have any type of rational discussion on this topic because it always goes back to "OMG its so easy for me and all the other beleivers to see, why don't you get it".

"OMG its so easy for me and all the other beleivers to see, why don't you get it".

But I have to say due to the bigotry of the times in which the early documents were written I doubt they ever envisioned the Native American being allowed to practice their respective religions as they do today to some degree. I also doubt if they saw the rise of Hinduism nor Islam under this flag.

I'm not sure I'm toally understanding your question, but if you go down South you'll witness their laws because of the culture. If you go to San Francisco you'll see another set of beleifs instituted as laws within their society. I.E. California has a tolerance for narcotics that is way more than any Moslem nation.

I.E. in many of the southern states their are 'dry counties',

In fact I'd marry a woman under Canada Laws or anywhere's laws before I would under the U.S. because of it's illigetimatization of the Biblical Divorce issue.

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.-Treaty with Tripoli

I know you are fully aware that the definition of being a Christian will vary depending on a persons denomination.

Then you can get into the walk thing. If someone is not walking the walk are they a true Christian. In otherwords, are luke warm Christians still Christians?

Many Christians, for example, do not consider JW or mormons to be Christians but rather part of a cult.

there has to be a god or nothing means anything. there has to be a purpose to my life. It scares me to death to think that all i am is a biodegratable mass.

if a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

Steve: Please explain the apples and oranges comment. You lost me.

John 3:16 I read, For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotton Son that whoever believes in Him should not perrish but have everlasting life

James 2:17-26 that faith without works is dead

If time is the fourth dimension, it is a different sort of dimension from the others.

Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum - I think that I think, therefore I think that I am.

I think pragmatically on this:

Do other people see red like I do? It doesn't matter because when they say "See that brunette in the red dress?" I always know which brunette they mean.

Then I read in James 2:17-26 that faith without works is dead....So I am a little confused is it not enough to just believe in Jesus, but that you must show your faith by works?

you must show your faith by works?

Then I read in James 2:17-26 that faith without works is dead

Like it or not, there have always been religious people in public office.

And like it or not, their beliefs have always held some level of influence over the direction of their administrations.

You expect him to betray his most deeply held beliefs because YOU disagree with them. There is not an honest man alive that would do that. I'm sure you are familiar with the old cliche, "To thine own self be true."

And I'm a Charismatic Fundmentalist !!

Ok this is a real christian ; You got to walk in love as Jesus did . Love neighbor as yourself and so on . Do unto others as you have them do to you . This is the basic beginnings of a real christian .

So Steve , never feel that you have done something that God will not forgive you for, because there is only one unforgivable sin.

After all God's Love is unconditional and pure, and He loves you just as much today, as the day you were born! This is an example of a real christian starting out .

"Atheism is ignorant."

We like to think of math as being mental constructs; something people just came up with.

http://www.tenthdimension.com/textonly.php
By the time we have imagined all possible timelines for all possible universes as being a single point in the tenth dimension, it appears that our journey is done.

looking for luv 2007

If I may quote your profile

"I am looking for a mature person that has good communication skills and who is creative, open-minded, kind, and someone who can laugh out loud! A Christian man is a must

I just know and you by your attitude and the way you talk and I have delt with your type all through school and dating !!

Stalk ....If I were that desperate theres a zoo here and the monkeys and baboons will put on a show for free !! I have dates , friends , love, family, job , life and don't have time to post on here everyday .

Your A PIECE OF WORK .... a Jack ASS who has no feelings or morals !!

Yep I know you wanna free up your hands , your crotch is getting lonely

We are on subject .... who is definantly not a christian !! YOU .....

SteveHD, It's obvious that you are a heathern , un-educated , heartless moran !!

You ask how would I be an Agnostic !!!
Stupid man !!! You admit your dumb you don't know what one is !!!!!

I can tell you this much they wouldn't be wasting their time posting on here .
Why they wouldn't take time to read anything here !! They know what they believe .

THey don't have to come and fight with anyone else ,
because they're not sure what they believe !!

Your so obvious it's hysterically funny !!

You probably running around with your hand in your pants all the time or trying to get in some one elses !!

Are you employed ?

If so how do you have time to spend on so many posts ?

Why are you so hung up on Pinks Post??

I guess anything is better than finding a real job and employment and life of your own !!

Are you seriously going to try and play the ole 1/50, 000, 000 card?

Well there you go thinkin again. That's half your problem right there.

As for the rest of your post it really is just a gaggle f***.
I know. Coarse language coming from a Christian. Don't worry. I'll be taking it to the cross.

I'm sure He'll forgive me considering who I'm dealing with.

Show me an unbias survey please.

My bet is that I have more gay friends and acquaintances then you. I believe it would also be a safe bet I have a greater percentage of racially and ethnically diverse friends then you as well. So do not assume to know me or my heart

So........who wrote the bible??? anybody know that??? anybody know why so many believe everything in it??

Why can you not understand that hating the person, any person, is not part of the equation? I've said a number of times on different threads that if I can see it it is not my enemy.

www.biblegateway.com

Yes, the Bible is often questioned, AND IT SHOULD BE.

Is christian persecution a thing of the past or does it still exist?

Surely some of my gender, though many here who have claimed to be Christian yet have not held the line, appear as more foolish than many men the the Bible tells of their foolishness. What more did these STUPID fools representing manhood want that have acted this way toward her?

STEVEHD....I really have no intention of answering any of your idiotic questions

However I think its horribly inappropriate to have a state funded christian prayer session on the lawn of the White House.

National Day of Prayer, 2007
A Proclamation by the President of the United States of America

A prayerful spirit has always been an important part of our national character, and it is a force that has guided the American people, given us strength, and sustained us in moments of joy and in times of challenge. On this National Day of Prayer, we acknowledge God's grace and ask for His continued guidance in the life of our Nation.

Americans of many faiths and traditions share a common belief that God hears the prayers of His children and shows grace to those who seek Him. Following the tragedy at Virginia Tech, in towns all across America, in houses of worship from every faith, Americans have joined together to pray for the lives that were lost and for their families, friends, and loved ones. We hold the victims in our hearts and pray for those who suffer and grieve. There is a power in these prayers, and we can find comfort in the grace and guidance of a loving God.

At this important time in our history, we also pray for the brave members of our Armed Forces and their families. We pray for their safety, for the recovery of the wounded, and for the peace we all seek.

The Congress, by Public Law 100 307, as amended, has called on our Nation to reaffirm the role of prayer in our society and to respect the freedom of religion by recognizing each year a "National Day of Prayer."

NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, do hereby proclaim May 3, 2007, as a National Day of Prayer. I ask the citizens of our Nation to give thanks, each according to his or her own faith, for the freedoms and blessings we have received and for God's continued guidance, comfort, and protection. I invite all Americans to join in observing this day with appropriate programs, ceremonies, and activities.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this twentieth day of April, in the year of our Lord two thousand seven, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-first.

GEORGE W. BUSH

Any church that says they belive Jesus is the son of God and came to take the sin from the world is a christian church.

Ehem..I beg to differ....God created everything.

The Bible is a history book as well as a manual for Christians..

...it tells us of man's sin in the past

I signed up for "ChristianSingles",and I was told that I could NOT belong to their site because I was not a Christian ! The gal in the e-mail said that "Mormans" are not considered Christians,so therefore I was not accepted.I have never not been a Christian.

Discrimantion or persecution?

Please cite your sources and the states/areas you refer to? Could there be other reasons that account for these stats? Poverty and education system for example?

Hate is a very strong word and is thrown around far too much to describe the thoughts and feelings of the average Christian

No where here did you insert IMO so I have to assume you have hard documentation.

no denying they are predators and as such they lurk around and seek positions and carears where they are best able to take advantage of their predatory nature

Another fact that accounts for so much sin in the church is because many people come to a particular faith because they are hurting. They come to the church imperfect - with long term problems and major character defects.

But not all churches or churches leaders are able to guide or deal with every individual.

They were habitual sinners coming into the church and remain so because of either poor leadership or because they didn't have a strong enough resolve to change.

This is not though a reflection of the faith and cannot be said that the church created or had a hand in bringing out pedophile tendancies.

I think christians can be divided into groups,

Now you say you aren't going to let a book tell you what to do ! You used books to get wordly knowledge and better yourself , why not open up your mind to get some spiritual wisdom from The Book ?

If you never picked up a Bible and read one how do you know what you think about it ?

It's the living word of God .

Now you say you aren't going to let a book tell you what to do ! You used books to get wordly knowledge and better yourself , why not open up your mind to get some spiritual wisdom from The Book ?

If you never picked up a Bible and read one how do you know what you think about it ?

It's the living word of God .

I feel were all adults on here and making a point about the human anatomy is on topic .

Sex is great in marriage but outside of marriage is sin according to that book .

When the organ between your legs male or female starts controlling the one between your ears you've stopped progressing as humans.

Your lead around by your passion and desires instead of your brain !!

Thats my reason for this post ,"Are There Any Real Christian Men ,

This whole planet has gone drug and sex crazy and that’s exactly the same way
they were when Noah was building the ark

The rain stopped the party back in Noah's day and already planetary changes and war clouds are threatening to stop this one ......

Causing storms, floods, detroying the ozone layer,your protection from the suns rays .

God gave us a free will theres nothing He will do to stop us from killing ourselves down here on planet earth !!

Unless we pray and turn to Him for help .
Whether you believe or not ;

You better be glad some of these crazy christians ( as you call us ) are praying .
Thats the only reason this planet is doing as well as we are at the present time !!

I will say one thing . The church needs to pratice more of what we preach .

Some are just as caught up in the wordly things as the world is

I interpret this passage for Christians ( Christ ) called by his name .

Hey don't no one feel sorry for me and any trouble
I've had that I shared on here with you .
God is and has and will continue to take care of me ...

And then there is the other variety that I call CHURCHTIANS- they attend Church, look the part, have a smooth act at times, but have missed the point as the Pharisees and Saducees did at the time of Christ. Of Course you also have the babes in Christ, those infantile as they are new to the faith and in most caes have never studied the Bible diligiently; but they are young in the movement. And Madfiddler please understand there are confused souls who claim to be Christian but are either using is as a deception or they are very confused about what Chritianity is.

What i cant understand is why cant people just respect and tolerate each other,instead of stigmatising them.

Just look at the news the majority of it is so negative,and has created a fear and blame culture,where you are too scared to trust your own neighbour

And among the teachings of His Holiness Bahá’u’lláh is that religion must be the cause of fellowship and love. If it becomes the cause of estrangement, then it is not needed, for religion is like a remedy: if it aggravates the disease, then it becomes unnecessary. --Abdu'l-Baha, Foundations of World Unity, p 29

How can someone look at the world around them and see all the good works and wonderful deeds done by nonchristians and automatically damn them in their own minds based on a beleif in something that cannot be proven?

Why not both a mental illness and possession?

remember this whitegirl sciencists say a bumble bee "shouldn,t" be able to fly but it does

Hmmmmmmmm - in my mind I ask - how can a TRUE Christian NOT have the Bible as part of his/her life?

Ephesians 22 - 24

I have torn rotor cuffs , muscles and cartledge in both shoulders .
I had bursitus in my hip and actually the accident hurt my entire body .
I was to emotionally destraught at the time of the accident to have surgery so I choze to go for therepy...

God let them be because theres many different types of people and he knew that no one denomination would do .

If one has credible documents, or a divine source of knowledge from the Creator and claims to be a Christian, most might listen.

The christians are put down and put out of every thing .
For years were not aloud to do anything with being judged and persecuted for it .
Every little detail is anaylized and critisized !

Although I have not brought up the scriptural evidence for Christians to be celibate until marriage, that is the issue here.

AmouredKnight , I had looked up some scriptures on this subject was hestitating about posting them because I realize some are still babes in Christ and unable to digest the meat of the word !! I didn't want to choke our babes to death with it ( spiritually speaking ) !!

Heard this many times. It sounds like you are saying Jesus was the only follower of himself. So please state the definition of Christian as you understand it as I'd like to better understand the true meaning of what you are saying.

So, yeah, I'm sure there are some "real" (don't worry, I know what you mean) christian men left, and they are waiting for their blessing, just like us "real" christian women.

There's no reason to call christianity horseshit. You are insulting everyone on here who is a christian. No one is insulting you.

Excuse me, URBAN X, what does this have to do with the topic Pre-marital sex and our topic? Smells of a Learning Disorder or one with 'Helen Keller Ears'!

Or is the problem a learning disorder that you have to sidetrack the issue as a tactic because you evidently hate the concept of control of your loins?

At least shes not out drinking , partying and whore hopping

I have seen only 2 or 3 genuine christians .

Then I've seen some wanna be agnostics who don't know how to be one !!

I get angry when every christian thread thats started on here or any where else has to put up with pot shots from these demon possed span from hell that can't be content with doing their thing .

They can't stand for any one else to do their thing !!

Well I've said what's on my mind and I won't apolygise .

For the unbeliever who may be reading this, there is a multitude of scriptures pertaining to chasity prior to marriage.

John 12:48
"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."

In other words the scriptures, especially those quotes by Christ have weight, what Christ has taught and his offercers/disciples becomes our guide and law that we will one day all be judged by.

Meanwhile I am thankful there are strong spiritual warrioress's like Pink Rose Gal and the many that follow our Lord with the integrity of Ruth!

As for me I'm headed to my hot tub
(SPA to those who don't know what a hot tub is ) to sit awhile .
Then I will go tan and then go out shopping and have myself a wonderful day !!
Come home have a snack and take a nap and maybe watch some tv later .

It's the "has brought him much joy " part that is the problem in God's book................ Alan is not doing God's work - he is doing it for his own selfish reasons and pleasure.

Seems a bit "controlling" but God's Rules are really not that difficult to follow and obey, especially if you have good morals and really do want to live a good clean life and have left the old not-so-good one far behind.

The time is drawing nearer each and every day to The Rapture - THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!

Charlie the Christian knew the gift of Salvation, and is doing what God has asked of us.................. simple!

as for psychic vampirism i believe that there is such a thing because how do u explain my ex boyfriend dying as he slept next to me and the only explanation that the doctor could give is that he just stopped breathing beating his heart and gave up life.

I do not believe that worshipping vampires should be publicised because vampires themselves are very private people and would not take kindly to people claiming to know their secrets and rituals, i think vampires are all around us.

i think vampires are all around us. For example: we dont see atoms and plantes but we know for a fact that they are there.

As for the White Wolf and Anne Rice connexions, I look at them more as popularising and romanticising influences.

The Temple is a secret society. Your identity will always remain confidential in any communications. Any addressed envelopes from the Temple will contain simply the discrete label "TOV" or "TOV Publishing" as the name in the return address.

He proceeded to lecture me on how Christianity is the only true way and he'd hate to see me go to Hell

They both are very strict Catholics and I am not a Christian.

He said that I can refuse to believe that oxygen is there but it doesn't matter because it is and Christianity is the only way and I basically was an idiot for not believing.

Everytime I see them they launch into a religious debate with me and how they bascially feel sorry for me and that I'm going against my ancestors in not accepting the Christian faith.

I can't think of any way out of these daily arguments short of attending church with them and pretending.

My mom joined in with similar arguements along the lines of me standing in a road about to be hit by a car and she is saving me from that.

The question is are the any real christians ( men ) on here ?

Yes I think theres a few still left but theres more who are not and never will be .