If stoning adulterers were a plan to protect kids from such terrible people, there would have been something like a 90% reduction in dads.

Don't let bitterness cloud your judgement

More BS: women aren't leaping to HER defense; they are leaping to the KIDS defense. Why is it that so many men see putting the kids' welfare first as defending the bad actions of a one a parent? How can you so easily conflate two such separate ideas?

ok, wife of 10 years is having an affair, we have 2 young children.
She has gone away with him at different times, for a total of 3 months (within the last 12).

She never really punishes her son in any way. She’s not an understanding person, she can’t sit down and discuss with him what he’s doing wrong and the consequences of his actions….all she does is yell and cuss at him. She couldn’t discuss anything in our relationship either, that’s the main reason why it didn’t work out between us.
She won’t accept any advice from me…if she did she would see herself as a parent who couldn’t raise her own son …she just couldn’t accept that in her mind.
Her course of action is to always take him to a therapist, put him on meds, and hope that he’ll eventually grow out of this kind of behavior.

I'd have to wonder at what age do guys grow out of just that fun stuff.

Not fair. I have big hands, so I would have to be over 10 ' to have anything left over.

You don't think that 1/4 can be trained???

Are you really THAT hard to handle? What makes you think the ones you travel the distance to see will be able to handle you?

some women LOVE a challenge!

Justmeandmax, does that mean you don't clean up well?

I will glue the toilet seat down if you desire.

oh, that's probably it. And here I was thinking it was just a 'grass greener/other side thing'.

How can it be, that soooo many people aren't interested in those that are within 50 miles????

Its only good at the begining. but its good to taper it down in the long run.

Most men love language is physical affection plus we are visual creatures. Sorry, I don't remember all five of the love languages but understanding the other person love language will help the relationship.

Strippers are expected to sell a specific amount of lap dances, bottles of champagne, etc, while they are in the club and working. If they do not meet their quotas, they are docked.

I just wonder how cheater male and female really feel ?

Sorry, this isn't an upper class, west end, yuppie professional bar. I've seen my comp. those that are my age.....we won't even go there. and unless he's into robbing the cradle, the weekend crowd is young enough to be his daughters.

This business includes: cell phone calls/txt msgs, where I go, Who I am with, how long I am staying out

I like men who support thier loved ones and themselves

I mean, I'm shy, reserved, and a big time geek. She says that girls like "bad boys" more, so I should try to act a little "bad."

Yes I would be offended. I would think they were stringing me along, and didn't really want to get married. I would end it. At my age, I am not wasting any time on a lost cause.

What you need to realize is what you had was not real.

For instance, my best friend has two daughter. Her older is 15 years old and her mother deals with her without the need for a power struggle. It is dealt with fairness and collaboration and communication.

Incidentally, she never had to use punishment a single time with any of her daughter in all of their lifetime.

Are you saying it is normal that external people, outside the close circle of family, who knows how to handle kids, can actually influence them more then their own parents?

But I am quite sad to see parents who would rather be "right" in an internet forum argument than open up to the possibility that there MIGHT be a way NOT to use spanking. Your loss.

The next time you see her in the gym.... give her no opportunity to back out of a date. Ask her out. Not for a walk..but a full blown date. Ask her out for dinner. Make plans with her. Women want men to MAKE PLANS with them.

Are you saying that it is okay that parents loose their ability to influence their kids without the need for power struggles?

Are you saying it is normal that strangers who knows how to handle kids can actually influence them more then their own parents?

I have seen and spoken many times to kids who would listen to me without the use of any punishment, threat or force, nor any rewards,

Yet some parents (people) managed to degrade their relationship with their kid to the extend (do you mean extent?) that the kid no longer wants to follow their guidance naturally without the use of force.

so it doesn't help me at all to diagnose the root causes

So far, you seem to dividing the kids into two "personalities": those who listen to you and those who don't.

I have seen and spoken many times to kids who would listen to me without the use of any punishment, threat or force, nor any rewards, yet their own parents could simply not get the message across even when they yelled, threatened or punished.

no details as to how you tried this or how long, nor what you said. Could you elaborate that part?

So, let's see. This is what you tried before resorting to spanking:
Talking to him => no details as to how you tried this or how long, nor what you said. Could you elaborate that part?
Taking things away => that's punishing.
Grounding => that's also punishing.
Adding chores => that's also punishing.
Spanking => that's corporal punishment. Hum... do I see a pattern here?

I choose to accept the reports, statistics, and studies about pitbulls.