what amuses me is that you keep all the stuff that could cause permanent damage or a slow and painful death just out of reach of your child etc... but you keep all the stuff that could kill them pretty much instantly with in arms reach...*sigh* heh

Yes they where!!!!!

(This is silly and childish. If you disagree, support with figures, not by shouting.)

But they aren't trying to get here for the vaccines you know. It is not the vaccines that make this a great place to live.

Really, there has not been a case of someone drinking a household cleaner? Are you sure of that.

So it is incorrect to state that a few unvaccinated children will cause a mass outbreak.

The most dangerous of these diseases were on sharp decline when people started vaccinating.

It starts off with an assumption that requires me to buy into the entire "vaccine" theory

By developing countries, they mean filthy, disease-infested, unhygienic, unsanitary countries.

n the rare event that you or your child has a serious reaction to a vaccine, there is a federal program that can help pay for the care of those who have been harmed. For details about the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, call 1-800-338-2382 or visit the program’s website at www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation[/quote

Household cleaners also have numbers to call in case someone drinks it. Just cause they have the number doesn't mean it happens.Not to mention all the parents are screaming at them and blaming them for their child being autistic now!!

Im still wondering about the difference between the 2 H1N1 shots... anyone?

I question the accuracy and validity of that statement. In fact, I say it's false.

Please provide evidence that not vaccinating my son could have a harmful effect on others. I'll be waiting forever and ever for your evidence, because you have none. You're simply parroting a belief programmed into you by propaganda which you cannot possibly back up, and being rather dramatic about it: "huge outbreak of some horrible disease ... lets get the plague back!!"

According to the World Health Organization (WHO), nearly 900,000 measles-related deaths occurred among persons in developing countries in 1999. In populations that are not immune to measles, measles spreads rapidly. If vaccinations were stopped, each year about 2.7 million measles deaths worldwide could be expected.

You know... I think you guys are being really rough on OpenHeart.

Yes.

She was a perfectly healthy child. Then she was vaccinated for polio and contracted polio almost immediately. It wrecked her childhood and to some extent her entire life. The next 5 children her mother had were not vaccinated, and none of them got polio. The entire family knows the full story in living detail and now none of them will "vaccinate" a child, no matter how much programming and indoctrination they receive from well-meaning but misinformed people.

I pray that never happens to your family, truly. I know it will not happen to mine.

When you do, you will never "vaccinate" your children again and will begin to question how you got caught up in your erroneous, fear-based belief system.

In California you can get a waiver if it is against any of your personal beliefs...There are a few specifics involved and can't quote them exactly but have had a few kids at the school I work at that have had no immunizations, ever.

I wish a DNA test would say she didn't give birth but that one would be a tough one being that I was there for 2 of them, lol

Then why do you care so much about what I've posted here? Why even bother saying sh!t to me?? This kinda points towards the whole crush-thing again. If that's the case, let's just be adult about it and get it right out in the open!

I mean, if someone kept hitting themselves in the head with a hammer and then complaining about constant headaches, would you then not suggest that they just quit hitting themselves in the head with a hammer?

^^ At 2! Of course not! But then, 2 year olds really aren't good bowlers, either. Infant/toddlers, absolutely, parents must attend. But schoolage up, it's drop off city!

Well unlike you fab, he doesn't bad mouth his ex.

How sad that you people watch Harry the Pot head as if it's a documentary ....

What can I say I am a realist. I expect my "theories" at least to be plausible and somewhat make sense.

Sounds like a bunch of hoopla to me.


Beats your imaginary guy sitting up in the clouds watching every move you make idea

hey look!! a UNICORN.... did you see that.... ?

this is not helping me feel better
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It is not as though they have much opportunity to be -ugh- "doing it", and they will have even less now...

child support is bullcrap. if a woman did not have children she would still need...a house, a car, gas in the car, food (and let's face it if you make hamburger helper for 3 instead of 1 how much more is that really), she needs electricity even if alone, water, and cable tv. so what is child support really. let's say the kids have 200 dollars every 6 months in new clothes. 150 extra a month for food, 200 for extra curricular activies a year. let's say 50 dollars more in gas to drive them a month here and back to soccer practice. 50 a month for school lunches. so a person needs a house, car, electricity, water, gas in there in tank, anyway without children. so roughly the incremental cost of raising a child is about 3,000 dollars a year. now, the ex is responsible for let's say 40% of it. so the guy should pay 60% of that incremental cost of raising a kid. so about 1700 a year. or about 140 dollars a month. now if there is daycare for a toddler then he should pay half that cost or 300 max more a month so about 440 max a month. now if the child is a teenager, then there is no law that says that dad has to pay if they want a cell phone or a car or car insurance. those are luxuries and i had to work for that when i was a teenager. so that shouldn't be computed.

I pay all my own bills and all on time, manage my own 2 BR apartment, own my 2008 car outright, my son even said I do a "better" job of parenting and keeping things clean than his other parent (I dont even call him a "father" since he doesnt act like one or treat him like one), I will have an MISM degree in 18 months, and am a stay at home mom for the time being, all without ever asking anyone for a dime!