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 mr marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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most unique bands/artist
Posted: 9/16/2008 8:52:40 AM
Although he's tamed down quite a bit in recent years, Prince was quite "out there" for most of his career.
 mr marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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Gotta have the funk!
Posted: 9/15/2008 10:10:39 PM
Prince, keepin' the funk alive!
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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Is Rock and Roll dead?
Posted: 5/30/2007 3:18:49 PM
"Rock & Roll is Alive (and it lives in Minneapolis)" - Prince song in response to Lenny Kravitz's "Rock & Roll is Dead".
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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Pride 33
Posted: 3/9/2007 6:03:14 PM
Best MMA show ever! I was there! I was sitting in front of Mark Laimon... LOL I had better seats than laimon :) I almost missed Lil' Nog getting knocked out cuz I was in the washroom! I thought Gomi got tagged hard by Diaz and therefore he was dazed... but when I got home and watched the dvd, he never got rocked at all, he just gassed... wtf? But that was a sweet go go tho! Wand's days are over... but he's still a legend! I was shocked to see him lying flat on the canvas! I never expected him to get KO'ed... he used to be able to take these shots and recover very quickly. I guess cro-cop's kick damaged him for good :(
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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The New Prince album...
Posted: 3/9/2007 5:42:29 PM
I went to his show in Las Vegas just 2 weekends ago... and I kid you not... it was the best concert I ever saw and probably will ever see... since I was almost frontstage. Just watching him work his fingers on that fret up close is mesmerizing! He also played a very funky bass solo on "Black Sweat", and at one point, while playing an ultra heavy rock version of "Anotherloverholenyohead" I swear his guitar was on fire!

Then I was lucky enough to score VIP wristbands to get into the aftershow in his restaurant. This was even more intimate than the small club... we were in a restaurant! there was no stage, Prince and his band was on the floor. Seriously, how many music superstars of his caliber allow his fans to get so close? The aftershow is totally spontaneous... Prince at times is just chillin', then he'll jam with the band... and the vibe is more jazzy as opposed to the charged up rock of the main show, but he is ALWAYS funky. He played a lot of his hits in the main show, but at the aftershow you won't hear any of that. For the encore, he came back and played drums through 3 songs! I've seen him play drum solos on video before, but never seen him play drums live... and the man is a FUNKY FUNKY drummer! You can't just sit and bop your head, everyone in the room HAD to get up and dance. This was for sure the highlight of the night for me.

seriously, if u think the superbowl performance was good... u have NO IDEA what this guy can do until u see him up close. INCREDIBLE MUSICIAN!
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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GSP vs. Matt Hughes, UFC 65
Posted: 11/19/2006 7:12:14 AM
I think I heard Dana White say the rematch is gonna be in Montreal. ROAD TRIP!!!!!!!!
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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urban youth pre-Hip Hop era
Posted: 11/17/2006 5:21:06 PM
I found this very interesting article about the funk and soul scene in 1970s Minneapolis. A time when urban kids played instruments and wanted to join bands. these days, they all just want to be rappers :(

http://citypages.com/databank/25/1232/article12300.asp


SCHOOL OF FUNK

By Peter S. Scholtes

Summer, 2004. On the first of three nights at the Xcel Energy Center, Prince sits down on the floor in front of 19,000 people and reclines on some cushions. He pulls out the recent issue of Rolling Stone with his face on the cover ("Faith! Funk! Sex! He's Still Got that Red-Hot Magic") and begins thumbing through it mischievously as his band vamps on.

Inside he sees a photo of himself from a less confident time, looking skinny with a big Afro, wearing the kind of introverted half-smile you'd expect from a future librarian. On the same page is an article about an album that finds the man of the moment looking to his past--to the summers when he and his friends Morris Day, Terry Lewis, Jimmy Jam, and others were happy to play funk in backyards and basements on the north side of Minneapolis.

"Remember all the way back in tha' day/When we would compare whose Afro was the roundest?" Prince sings on "Reflection," the closing song on Musicology (NPG/Columbia). He rambles through the images of his youth: mirror tiles over the bed, posters and fishing nets on the walls. Then he concludes: "Sometimes I just wanna go sit out on the stoop and play my guitar/And just watch all/All the cars go by."

You can imagine that the street he's talking about is Russell Avenue North.

Summer, 1974. Prince is living in a basement in the home of his friend André Alexander (later André Cymone) on Russell, near Plymouth Avenue. His band practices in the damp room next door, on a red-painted floor crawling with centipedes and spiders. His second cousin Chazz plays drums, with André on bass, and André's sister Linda switching off with Prince on guitar and Farfisa organ. The boys are around 16, Linda 17. They call themselves Grand Central, having rejected "Phoenix" (from Grand Funk Railroad's 1972 album Return of the Phoenix) and "Soul Explosion." The name suggests Central High School in south Minneapolis, which Prince attends, as well as Grand Funk, and anticipates Graham Central Station, the new group led by Sly and the Family Stone bassist Larry Graham, who play O'Shaugnessy Auditorium in May of that year.

Prince sings low, like Sly. He covers Grover Washington and Carole King. All the musicians wear Afros. So does Morris Day, a shy and freckle-faced drummer who is friends with André. Before the year is out, Day is in the band.

In 1974, Terry Lewis is a champion sprinter at Minneapolis North High School. He plays bass in his own band, Flyte Tyme, named for a fusion song by Donald Byrd. Flyte Tyme are sort of a Parliament-Funkadelic to Grand Central's Family Stone. By the time P-Funk's mothership lands in '76, Terry and his friends are wearing space-age costumes and cramming as many as 10 musicians onstage, horns included. Cynthia Johnson, future voice of "Funkytown," sings and plays sax. Other recognizable names pass through the lineup: singers Sue Ann Carwell and Alexander O'Neal, drummer Garry "Jellybean" Johnson, and keyboardist Jimmy Harris III (later "Jimmy Jam," his DJ name at the Fox Trap disco).

Jimmy is two years younger than Terry and goes to Washburn High School. He later says Terry and Jellybean founded the group with him in '72, calling it "Wars of Armageddon," then "Soul Vaccination." By the mid-1970s, though, Jimmy has his own band, Mind and Matter. In fact, everyone seems to have a band, and live within a few blocks of Prince. Everyone knows him, though he keeps to himself. As Jellybean puts it to author Per Nilsen years later, "he was really never one of the guys."

You probably know what happened after that. Over the next 10 years, these young, gifted, black musicians went on to remake the sound of modern dance music. Recording his 1978 Warner Bros. debut entirely himself, Prince turned the keyboard-heavy rock of that basement on Russell Avenue into a career. He cherry-picked musicians from other bands to puppeteer the Time, a dapper new-wave funk band that pulled Morris Day out from behind his drum set. The group upstaged Prince more than once with their burlesque of Ragstock suits and mock-blueblood choreography, and even invented a new dance: "The Bird." Two members, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, became the first producer icons of pop, appearing in 1986's "Control" video with Janet Jackson, whose songs they wrote and recorded in Minneapolis.

"The early '80s in Minnesota was the new era for urban disco and funk," says Pete Rhodes, owner of BlackMusicAmerica.com. "Even Babyface, who was in a group called the Deele out of Cincinnati, sounded just like the Time. Everybody wanted to sound like the Time."

Today Morris Day is a benign icon of '80s self-regard. ("Don't you never say an unkind word about the Time," says Jay in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, the 2001 movie. "Me and Silent Bob modeled our whole ****ing lives after Morris Day and Jerome. I'm a smooth pimp who loves the ****, and Tubby here is my black manservant.") Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis have more No. 1 singles to their credit than anyone besides Sir George Martin (10 for Janet Jackson alone).

Now, as the two producers close their Flyte Tyme studios in Edina to open a new one in Santa Monica--making the phrase "the Minneapolis sound" a permanent anachronism--it seems high time to take a closer look at the scene that started it all. Before the quiet leader of Grand Central brought home his first finished album from California, playing it for the Anderson family in their living room, live bands, not producers or DJs, defined the black music scene in the Twin Cities. While Grandmaster Flash and Kool Herc were throwing park parties in the south Bronx, Grand Central and Flyte Tyme were doing the same in north Minneapolis.

"We just made our own gigs," says Linda Anderson, Prince's bandmate in Grand Central. "We would go around and just play in neighborhoods, set up our equipment in the park and play, and have people gather round."

The mid-1970s found these bands getting serious--and seriously competitive. Terry and Prince started focusing more on music, less on sports. Prince quit basketball in his sophomore year; Terry suffered a football injury his senior year. Both ended up taking the same extracurricular course at Central High School, "The Business of Music," taught by a former piano player in Ray Charles's band. Terry wore a suit to class.

Flyte Tyme and Grand Central were only two of many groups at local battles of the bands. But their main rival, besides each other, was the Family, a jazz-funk group led by bassist virtuoso Sonny Thompson. Sonny went to North High School with Terry, but he was older and always seemed a step ahead of everybody else. He rocked a Jimi Hendrix look, wearing long leather jackets, pink and black, and could play any instrument well. He knew how to record backward on his four-track. He was also beginning to forgo other interests (karate and physics) to teach himself music theory. Terry played in Sonny's band before forming Flyte Tyme, and Prince often came by Sonny's house to borrow effects pedals. Like his peers, Prince idolized Sonny.

"It's funny, we were all playing at a community center, the Family and Grand Central," remembers Sonny Thompson. "I show up with this white suit on, and their whole band has the same suit."

The competition was friendly, though, and soon Prince and André were hanging out in Sonny's basement. "My mom, she would fry chicken, and we would just jam and eat," Sonny says. "That's how we grew up. I would have a band come over and rehearse in the front room, blocking the TV. Mom was cool with it."

When this scene was mythologized in the 1984 movie Purple Rain, the story left out one detail: helpful parents who weren't crazy. After Morris Day began drumming for Grand Central, his mom took over as the band's manager, pushing the group to become more professional. Grand Central became Grand Central Corporation, a company that owned each member's instrument. (When Prince left the band, he bitterly forfeited his Stratocaster.) André and Linda's mom Bernadette Anderson, who died last year, gave Prince a home. (She is known among hip-hoppers for providing an early space for parties at the Uptown YWCA.)

Prince's dad, a jazz man who couldn't have been further from Clarence Williams III's brooding brute in the movie, was at many of the early Grand Central shows taking pictures. By all accounts, the older generation of musicians took pride in the young upstarts. (Prince's uncle and Jimmy Jam's dad played on the first rock 'n' roll hit out of Minnesota, Augie Garcia's 1955 single "Hi Yo Silver.")

"It was more of a family-knit thing back then," says Walter "Q-Bear" Banks, a longtime programmer at KMOJ-FM (89.9). "Flyte Tyme, Grand Central, they were brothers that I grew up with. We played football on Saturday mornings over at Lincoln Field right off of Penn. Parents brung us Kool-Aid. If somebody did something wrong, there was a parent there to say, 'Hey, keep it in order.' Then that parent would call your parents and say, 'Hey, your son's out here clowning, and I had to spank him up.' And you got two spankings that day."

By 1974, the Family was being managed by longtime local activist Harry "Spike" Moss. For years, Moss had been a director at the Way, a storefront community center founded in 1966. Before the United Way cut the agency's funding in the '80s, the Way served as a kind of boys' club and outreach center for kids who in today's parlance would be called "at risk." It was also a locus of musical activity, hosting a succession of teen concerts and cordoning off Plymouth Avenue for festivals featuring all the young bands. ("To my knowledge," says Q-Bear, "it all started back at the Way.")

"Spike was a really active-in-the-community kind of guy," remembers Morris Day of Grand Central and the Time. "But I wasn't a Way type of person. A lot of tough kids hung out there, and I kind of shied away."

Linda Anderson says her parents wouldn't allow her to go to the Way, at least back when the Andersons lived in the projects. The agency's black-power philosophy was long established and controversial. When four blocks of Plymouth Avenue went up in flames in the July riots of 1967, police accused the Way of inciting the fire-bombers. But seven years later, Moss was up to something truly subversive: running a school of rock.

The Way Opportunities and Music School recruited organist Bobby Lyle and other musicians to teach kids about music--how to play it, how to read it, how to take it to the marketplace. "The one thing that we requested of all the students was that you give back to the next class," says Spike Moss. "So they'd come back and teach the next group coming through. As a matter of fact, the guy that taught Prince was Sonny Thompson. He was the baddest of all of them that came through the class."

Thompson describes Prince as a "sponge" rather than a student, soaking up knowledge from anyone he played with, and most musicians took pride in doing their thing without adult assistance. Jimmy Jam, who had started DJing at the Roller Gardens, remembers booking his band Mind and Matter at a downtown Minneapolis hotel himself. "That event drew something like 2,000 people, and pulled from the white clubs," he says. "With black and white, there's prejudice until there's green involved." The first big downtown club to open its doors to Jimmy and his friends was Uncle Sam's, which later changed its name to First Avenue.

Most black groups drawing black audiences were restricted to playing black-owned clubs. Thriving on the new bands, Jimmie Fuller's smoke-filled Cozy Bar and Lounge on Plymouth let them all play. (When the city bought the place out for highway expansion, the money went into launching the late Riverview Supper Club). There was also the Nacirema ("American" spelled backwards) over south, a "bring your own bottle" bar that kept booze in a cabinet to sidestep liquor laws.

"It was supposed to be a private club, all adult," says Sonny Thompson. "But once again, all the kids were playing. The police would raid it, too. We'd be playing, and next thing you know all these cops were on the stage with us."

For most of the kids, bars were a new world. Few of the musicians drank, smoked, or did drugs. "We were kind of even naive in that sense, I would say," says Linda Anderson. "Because, growing up, we weren't around people who got drunk or people who got high. So when we'd see that, we'd say, 'Look at that!'"

By 1976, Prince couldn't wait to escape this scene. One of his first original songs was called "Go to New York" (it contained the lyric "Sitting here on the purple lawn"). But he never really left Minnesota, and over the past three decades, he seems to have tried to recreate the feel of his formative years on Minneapolis's north side.

Prince has hired and rehired old friends, including Sonny Thompson, who recently played at Paisley Park with the Legendary Combo. He named an unrelated '80s new wave band the Family, and titled the Time (who were recent surprise openers for Prince on the second night at the Xcel) in obvious homage to Flyte Tyme. From Myst, a leggy black female trio he caught one night at the Nacirema, he took inspiration for Vanity 6, who debuted at the same bar. The three sisters in Myst eventually formed Best Kept Secret, who were also invited out to Paisley in June.

Prince might miss the sense of community that comes from nobody being a star and everyone wanting to be one. If that's the case, of course, there's no going back. He's still on the stoop somewhere playing his guitar. But all of the cars are in valet parking.
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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Band of Gypsys
Posted: 11/10/2006 8:37:13 PM

I am a classic rock guy, and being a guitar player, I like a lot of guitarists. Hendrix was good and has some great tunes, Spanish Castle Magic, Red House and Little Wing being my favourites, however overall I just cant get into his music like some people can.


so I guess u're not experienced then ;)
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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Martial Arts - Whats good/whats not
Posted: 11/1/2006 7:12:40 PM
there are good styles and bad styles. the bad ones are the ones created solely to brainwash the students into believing that they are learning something worthwhile so that they will pay $$$$. example - Juko-kai.

within the good styles, there are good and bad schools also. For example, you mentioned kung fu. Kung Fu is plagued with bad schools... teachers who never sparred full contact in their life, and their knowledge of the fighting applications are so far removed from what was originally taught. But, once in a while, you come across a kung fu teacher who believes in sparring and kept the art "alive".

Even arts like Brazilian jiujitsu, where sparring is central to the ciriculum, I am starting to hear about some teachers handing out black belts to rich students who can afford to pay them top $$$. Whenever a martial art becomes popular... there will be some watering down going on.
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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Tyson Returning to Ring; May Fight Women
Posted: 10/17/2006 4:54:55 PM
Ali would have worn Tyson down mentally, destroying his spirit. The only chance Tyson has of beating Ali in their primes, would be a first round K.O., which would be unlikely against someone like Ali.
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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actor or musician???
Posted: 9/28/2006 3:49:21 PM
Tupac Shakur, IMO

and how can u forget Will Smith
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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UFC 63: Hughes .vs. Penn
Posted: 9/24/2006 1:33:37 PM
haha... good call! apparently BJ separated a rib or something when he took Hughes' back, so he tried real hard to finish him at the end of the round.
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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Prince - the modern day Mozart
Posted: 9/23/2006 7:26:22 AM
^^^ I agree with your comment about too much control. In the 80s, when he was with the Revolution, they were more of a "band" and he allowed creative input from his bandmates. The music they made during this time changed popular music as a whole... you can hear the influence across all genres of music today. But in the 90s, his new band, the NPG, while they are all seasoned musicians, they were merely employees and had no input to the music at all except for backing Prince when they play live.

Here's an interesting snippet from U2's Bono's autobiography talking about Prince:


Bono Vox, U2's lead singer and frontman, share his thoughts in a new book called: "BONO: In Conversation". The work was complied by French rock critic/journalist (and friend of Bono) Michka Assayas.
And here's some things he talked about the Purple One:

About living the rock star life:
"These white rock stars, they think they're authentic, and that Prince is just some sort of showbiz Christmas tree. But he has more soul in his little finger than a whole harbor full of these rock bands."

Bono talks about meeting Prince in the early 90s and asking him about the word "slave" written on his face:
"There's no excuse in the twentieth century for intelligent people signing a deal they don't understand. That said, Prince deserves the best deal in the world because he is the best in the world. He's Duke Ellington to me!"

After saying that he would much rather be in a band than a solo artist because solo artists are too prone to indulgence:

"I think, in some ways, it's easier to realize a vision that's singular and in your own head, but it's harder to keep the vision going without argument. Look at Prince. He's one of my favorite composers of the twentieth century. I really believe in him. But he needs an editor. He needs a row. He needs somebody in the studio to tell him to f*ck off. 'And guess what? There's six great tracks and four of them are pretty average. I'm sorry, sir. Your genius was having a bad day.' Does he have that? No chance."
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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Prince - the modern day Mozart
Posted: 9/21/2006 7:55:20 PM
Ummm, I did too and that's what I assumed you meant. What made you think I even considered them in this conversation? I guess I could see making that assumption from my use of the word "pop". I didn't intend to invoke the kind of music you thought I did. What I've been attempting to work on has been mostly in the realm of rock, I just never went that route before.


I wasn't referring to you, whenu_rstrange, sorry...

I was referring to paulchino who said:

hmmmm...then how the hell did Queen get so damn popular? I'm sorry...but sexual orientation has absolutely nothing to do with music...a lot of people just don't like pop music...plain and simple...


gypsygirl, he changed his name because he wanted out of his record contract with Warner Bros. He wanted to release more music, and more frequently, but the new WB bosses did not allow it, so he wanted out (the previous head honcho at WB supported him 100%). The contract stated that you cannot get out of the contract by changing your name to another name. so he changed it to a symbol.
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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can anyone take up karate, or is it just for the confident and cocky
Posted: 9/16/2006 9:25:13 AM
Seiously, it takes a certain kind of mindset to do BJJ, wrestling and any of the MMA related fighting styles. It takes a certain level of dedication and athleticism that regular people don't have. I've seen hundreds of peeps come in and train for a couple classes and never return. Trust me, we are NOT REGULAR PEOPLE, LOL. Regular peeps do not like being in the 69 position under another sweaty smelly dude! So preaching all this MMA vs TMA is pointless. If someone wants to participate in an activity that teaches them discipline, fitness and basic self defense, then karate and kung fu would suit them perfectly. Don't force MMA down their throats, cuz believe it or not... most people are NOT LIKE US ;)

Not saying that MMA'ers are any more ballsy than anyone else. But we're more into "fighting" and we don't mind the pain and the uncomfortable positions in order to become a better fighter. Most people are not into "fighting"... self defense maybe, but not fighting.
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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Prince - the modern day Mozart
Posted: 9/14/2006 4:36:11 PM
By Popular music, I meant modern music such as rock, soul, funk, etc... not "pop music" a la Britney and Nsync.

About the gay thing... I've never heard of Prince being gay until a couple of years ago when I was working at a blue collar job. My co-workers all thought he was gay and mocked me whenever a Prince song plays on the radio. And Prince ain't even gay! But I guess its the androgyny thing that puts people off these days. Back in the 70s and 80s it was cool. Nowadays, you'd be labelled a freak. People these days wants to "fit in" whereas in the 70s and 80s, people were much more original. And Prince's image does not "fit in" with what people are comfortable with today.

Guitarman100, I would also add the Sign O The Times concert movie to your list! and also the N.E.W.S. CD which is the instrumental CD he released a few years back, got some great playing on it... check it out! :)
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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IS it me or should HIP HOP be DEAD YET?
Posted: 9/13/2006 8:05:02 PM
As long as hip hop is making money for the corporations who own the radio stations and record labels, it will never die.
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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Prince - the modern day Mozart
Posted: 9/12/2006 10:07:21 PM
well, at least I'm creating controversy with this thread.... Prince would be proud of me, LOL

But nowhere on this thread have i compared their music... as there is NO comparison. However I still hold the opinion that Prince is to popular music as Mozart was to classical (OK, so classical music is 100 times more difficult to compose than popular music... but you get the point). And many music legends (Eric Clapton, carlos santana, steve vai, stevie wonder, david bowie, MILES DAVIS-who's autobiography has a whole chapter devoted to his time with Prince, robert plant, paul stanley, bono, james brown, george clinton, little richard, joni mitchell... the list is endless) have stated publically their respect and admiration for Prince's talents. You can hear his influence in almost all genres of popular music today. I just find it a shame that the public at large fail to recognize this because of homophobia, because of their perception of Prince as a weird black man who wears make-up and high heels.
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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Prince - the modern day Mozart
Posted: 9/11/2006 3:22:21 PM
Why can't I compare him to Mozart then? They do share some similarities in their lives and careers. and Prince is probably the closest comparison among modern pop/rock musicians. Is it because you're a classical snob who doesn't bother to read the message and just over-react to the thread title?

ps. and besides, I did not come up with the term "modern day Mozart". Many critics in the past have used that to describe Prince on many occasions.

 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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Prince - the modern day Mozart
Posted: 9/8/2006 4:26:21 PM
u talking about Lenny Kravitz? Pick up a copy of "Rave Unto the Year 2000 DVD", Lenny was a guest on the show and they played "Fly Away" and "American Woman" together. Prince played circles around him... Lenny looked like a school kid trying to impress his teacher. you comparing Kravitz to Prince... is kinda like me comparing Prince to Mozart, I suppose, LOL
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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Prince - the modern day Mozart
Posted: 9/3/2006 1:13:16 PM
I'm not comparing Prince's music to Mozart's music at all... there is NO comparison! I am pointing out the similarities of their position in music in their respective eras. Both are one of the most talented musicians of their times, yet underappreciated and often misunderstood.


Prince is talented, very talented, and he got a bad rap over the controversy surrounding his name. But he is no Mozart. Saint-Saëns and Mendelson were just as talented and Schubert was more original during the early stages of his development but none of them had their talent take form the way Mozart's did. The talent counts for a lot but circumstances and temperament are important as well. Felix never had a "Leopold" pushing him the way Wolfie did. Schubert lacked the teachers and influences available to Mozart. Saint-Saëns found public appeal early and stayed lazy thereafter. Mozart was pushed relentlessly by his father and grew up with a complete understanding of his craft and a complete lack of sense about practical matters. Music was as natural to him as breathing, even before his financial troubles began. When he was pressed (and even before that) natural became second nature.


actually, from reading what you wrote here... I find a couple more similarities in their lives. Prince's father was also a musician, a jazz musician who fronted a band called "The Prince Rogers Trio", and hence, named his son after his band. He bought Prince his first piano and taught him how to play. You mentioned Schubert who was more original than Mozart in the early stages, but his talent never took form the way Mozart did. In Prince's career, this was Rick James. The first 2 Rick James albums blew Prince's out of the water. But by the time the album 1999 was released in 1982, it was clear that Prince was winning the race and he never looked back.
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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Prince - the modern day Mozart
Posted: 9/2/2006 9:04:32 PM
Musically, not a whole lot. But that's not what I'm trying to get at. I'm saying Prince is to his generation what Mozart was to his. People today say Andre3000 of Outkast is the "Prince" of Hip Hop... but he is nowhere near as talented as Prince... but judging by the state of Hip Hop, and pop music today... Andre3000 probably is the closest to Prince than anyone else making popular music.
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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Prince - the modern day Mozart
Posted: 9/2/2006 7:28:57 PM
There is a story behind the name change, and it was for business reasons, not because he was insane... but i won't get into it now.

IMO, he went downhill when he hooked up with Larry Graham (former Sly Stone bassist, and one of the greatest bass players of all time) and became Jehovah's Witness. This affected his songwriting greatly and he began to get very preachy in his songs.
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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Prince - the modern day Mozart
Posted: 9/2/2006 6:46:18 PM
His studio recordings doesn't do him justice as a guitarist. You have to hear him live... one example that you can find on the net is his Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame performance in the tribute to George Harrison. He and the other inductees played "My Guitar Gently Weeps" and he nailed that solo like it was going out of style. I admit, technically, he may not be as good as Vai or Van Halen... but he's one of the most versatile, creative and soulful guitarists on the planet.
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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Prince - the modern day Mozart
Posted: 9/2/2006 6:23:42 PM
Whenever I tell people that I'm a Prince fan, I get one of 2 responses:

1. Oh, he's a musical genius

2. Prince? Are you gay?

Which one are you?

Like Mozart... Prince is a musical prodigy (master guitarist, bassist, pianist, drummer, singer, composer, producer, arranger... you name it he can do it), yet he will not be truly appreciated by the mainstream until after he's gone :(
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
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WATCH WWE/TNA/UFC/BOXING PPV ENTS MONTHLY IN THE GTA
Posted: 8/27/2006 6:22:47 AM
Will Heroes Sports Lounge be showing Pride Bushido tonight? I don't have dish network anymore... so I'm looking for a place that will show it!
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
Msg: 387 (view)
 
UFC and Mix Martial Arts
Posted: 7/12/2006 2:48:45 PM
some upcoming fights that I'm looking forward to:

Pat Militech vs Renzo Gracie (in Strikeforce i think) - tough one to call... but I'm rooting for Renzo!

Carlos Newton vs Daniel Gracie (K1 Heroes) - bad comeback fight for Carlos IMO.

Bas Rutten vs Kimo - Bas will fcuk him up standing!

rumour has it that Rickson is preparing to fight Kazushi Sakuraba at the end of the year... well, I'll believe it when I see it.
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
Msg: 2 (view)
 
Benny Benassi and Beach Party
Posted: 7/8/2006 5:13:36 PM
you talking about the Sundance Music Festival at the Beach Club? I am trying to get enough peeps together to rent a car and go. there is a group from toronto that is occupying an entire floor of a hotel for that event... should be INSANE!!!
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
Msg: 371 (view)
 
UFC and Mix Martial Arts
Posted: 7/2/2006 6:49:38 AM

when standin and lookin down at a prone opponent, I take one step back... and do a full front flip over their legs into the mounted position. One time..I managed to wind my sparrin partner with my... ass when I landed.


Sean Pierson (from Shah Franco, and also wrestles for Brock University) used to do that move when he was fighting in the early UCCs. at that time, he'd drop by my gym all the time and was showing everyone that move... and yes, he winded the fcuk outta me! I wonder what he's up to these days.... i've been out of the game for too long!
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
Msg: 2 (view)
 
WEMF 2006
Posted: 6/30/2006 6:50:43 PM
meh... WEMF is for kids. the sundance music festival is where its at!

http://sundancemusicfestival.ca

this is Ibiza in Canada!
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
Msg: 22 (view)
 
Funk music.... love it / hate it????
Posted: 6/25/2006 3:56:54 AM
Prince is my all time favourite. and thru Prince I got into Sly Stone, P-funk, James Brown, and all that came before him.
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
Msg: 1 (view)
 
Prince Rogers Nelson
Posted: 6/24/2006 3:45:39 PM
the guy is 48 and still ROCKS! the modern day Mozart- plays over 20 instruments, ROCKS on guitar, is a composer, arranger, producer... u name it, he can do it, and do it so well. There was, and never will be another talent like him. anyone else digs Prince?

If so, which Prince do u dig (since he is so versatile and his music so diverse)? me, I like the funk-rock guitar shredding Prince (Lets Go Crazy, Bambi, Computer Blue, I Can Never Take The Place Of Your Man)... followed closely by the electro-funk Prince (When Doves Cry, Lady Cab Driver, Controversy, Dirty Mind). I hate the R&B Prince tho (Emancipation... WTF was that?)... although he's got some sweet soulful ballads, but some of the more hip-hoppy R&B stuff he did in the mid 90s were just crap.
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Gnarls Barkely.......
Posted: 6/24/2006 3:14:44 PM
I have crazy, the house remix, in heavy rotation... track of the summer so far!
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
Msg: 328 (view)
 
UFC and Mix Martial Arts
Posted: 6/21/2006 3:39:39 PM
what i don't like about the direction the UFC is heading now is that its all about the reality show, The Ultimate Fighter. Dana White seems to care more about promoting fighters from the show rather than getting the best fighters in the world to compete.
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
Msg: 305 (view)
 
UFC and Mix Martial Arts
Posted: 6/14/2006 8:10:27 PM
saiyan, thanks for the comments (and the essay, LOL)! but everything I said is just common knowledge among BJJers. though fact remains that the Gracies were taught Judo, not traditional ju jutsu.

has anyone seen the Strikeforce shows yet? the most recent one had Overeem vs Vitor Belfort as the main event! Overeem won a decision. and whats everyone's views on Cung Le? I've always thought that San Shou and BJJ are the best combos for MMA. San Shou is kickboxing with throws and takedowns, so for grapplers who want to learn striking and takedowns in one shot, this is perfect.
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
Msg: 55 (view)
 
Vinyl vs. CD
Posted: 6/7/2006 8:40:03 PM
CDs only because of the convenience. If the only place I listen to music is at home, then vinyl... but my old turntable doesn't work anymore :(

Also, vinyl lasts forever if you take care of it. I've read that CDs will lose its quality after a number of years, and even faster if its a burnt CD. anyone have info on this? I have so much CDs, it will really suck if I lose them all due to time.
 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
Msg: 301 (view)
 
UFC and Mix Martial Arts
Posted: 6/7/2006 2:44:42 PM
actually, BJJ is a child of Judo. The Gracies were taught the art of Judo, and then they just developed the ground game from there, tested it in Vale Tudo matches against other discipines, and made it there own. They used the name of Jiu-Jitsu to differentiate it from the sport of Judo, and to emphasize the combat roots of art.

The main difference in the ground game of BJJ and Judo (or all other grappling arts for that matter), is the concept of postition before submission, and the transitions from position to position. Most grappling arts seek either a submission or pin as soon as they hit the ground. BJJ teaches you to establish superior position first before attempting a submission. In Judo, you can win via pin, therefore being in the closed guard (on your back, legs locked around opponent) means you lose. Therefore, Judokas only use the open guard, using the feet to manipulate the opponent and to prevent from geting pinned on his back.

In BJJ, you cannot win by pin. And since it was developed in Vale Tudo matches, punches were aloud, so being in the closed guard holding your opponent tight, is a favourable position to work from and not get your face bashed in.

All the submissions in BJJ can be found in Judo... it is the method of getting there that is different. The transitioning from one position to another, going from an inferior position to a superior position, to an even more superior position, and then submission (eg. from closed guard to open guard to butterfly guard to sweep to side mount to mount to armbar).

SO MUCH FUN!

 Mr Marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
Msg: 296 (view)
 
UFC and Mix Martial Arts
Posted: 6/5/2006 3:31:21 PM
Traditional JJ does incorporate striking... but the grappling is not "MMA grappling". It is mostly stand-up grappling, throws, and submissions immediately after a throw. While this may be effective for self-defense, MMA requires a more "positional" method of grappling, such as BJJ, wrestling, and to a certain extent, Judo.

Did anyone catch last night's Bushido welterweight GP? Denis Kang (Vancouver boy, and a teammate of my BJJ instructor's) DESTROYED Murillo Ninja in 15 seconds!!! Incredible! the rest of the card was pretty good too.

Also there is news that Pride the organization might be done... because of some yakuza scandal or something shady... oh well... good news for K1 heros I guess.
 mr marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
Msg: 223 (view)
 
American Idol
Posted: 5/25/2006 6:20:38 PM

Hmmph never could see what the fuss about Prince was all about. He's a weird little man and apart from a couple of good tunes that he wrote, he just doesn't do it for me.


The fuss:

1. composes, arranges, produces, and performs all his own songs and plays every instrument since his DEBUT at the age of 18, and has continued to do so ever since.

2. released 8 genre-defying groundbreaking albums from 1980-1988... thats a creative peak of 9 years! even Bob Dylan and John Lennon never had such long creative peaks.

3. diverse catalogue of music (28 offical albums, plus many that he wrote for his proteges under different aliases) that includes rock, funk, r&b, soul, new wave, punk, rockabilly, jazz, blues, gospel, hip hop, house, techno, reggae, industrial, big band, and many that can't even be categorized.

4. On the night of the Hurricane Katrina disaster, Prince went into his studio by himself, and recorded TWO songs on the fly, overnight, playing all the instruments and all vocals, and the songs were available for download on his website the very next day! When is Michael Jackson's charity single suppose to come out?

I could go on... but this guy is like the Michael Jordan of musicians. Even if you don't like his music, you can't deny that he is a musical genius.
 mr marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
Msg: 221 (view)
 
American Idol
Posted: 5/24/2006 9:04:10 PM
Prince is the true ROCK IDOL in every sense of the word!
 mr marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
Msg: 8 (view)
 
The New Prince album...
Posted: 5/15/2006 5:33:33 PM

prince is the new James Brown..........better dare I say


james brown + jimi hendrix + sly stone + little richard + george clinton = Prince
 mr marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
Msg: 7 (view)
 
The New Prince album...
Posted: 5/15/2006 5:30:51 PM
3121 is a good album... a return to his 80s Minneapolis sound, which has influenced everyone from Outkast to Missy to Beck to Basement Jaxx... just to name a few. I'm hoping for a more guitar-oriented funk-rock album next... because Prince is one of the best guitarists in the world, but the mainstream rarely gets to see it, unless you see him in concert, in which case he ALWAYS tears it up on guitar!
 mr marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
Msg: 24 (view)
 
What does it take to get a girl?
Posted: 4/20/2005 6:48:30 PM
The real question should be: what does it take to KEEP a girl?!?

Every girl I've been involved with who I want to have a future with, ended up leaving my ass. The ones who I don't particularly care about tend to stick around. Sometimes I get the feeling that I might have to "settle" for someone I don't really like all that much.
 mr marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
Msg: 26 (view)
 
(nice guys) why women hurt them or (is he needy or romantic) ladies AND guys need your imput
Posted: 4/19/2005 6:55:02 PM

"Nice guys finish last". That's all you need to know bro...:)


I always tell my less experienced friends that (not that I'm very experienced), but it's also hard to follow your own advice :(
 mr marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
Msg: 22 (view)
 
(nice guys) why women hurt them or (is he needy or romantic) ladies AND guys need your imput
Posted: 4/19/2005 6:13:54 PM

if you call her so help me I'll slap you myself !!!!


LOL... I haven't called her... but its so hard not to cuz I keep thinking of the good times we had and how she was such a sweet angel of a girl. I mean really sweet... all my friends liked her too. I'm really baffled how within 24 hours she can turn into a cold-hearted b!tch. I mean literally, friday night we had sex, I stayed over and left in the morning before she went to work, and we had a passionate kiss before I left. when I saw her again saturday night, I felt something was different. but didn't confront her about it since it was only a feeling at the time. and it was all downhill from there.
 mr marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
Msg: 20 (view)
 
(nice guys) why women hurt them or (is he needy or romantic) ladies AND guys need your imput
Posted: 4/19/2005 5:37:33 PM

if I want to play games I have a playstation2 , and when i get tired of that I can always turn it off . a mate is supposed to be your restbit from the stressful world not more stress added to it .
if I want a challange I'll play chess .


unfortunately, the games are a fact of life. I hate to play, cuz I never know how to play. It sucks. I haven't even talked to my girl about the situation yet. I was just so pissed off that I took off without talking to her about it. Now, I really want to call her, but I don't want to come off like a needy loser again. But I do want to put in my last words. Should I?
 mr marcus
Joined: 3/19/2005
Msg: 11 (view)
 
(nice guys) why women hurt them or (is he needy or romantic) ladies AND guys need your imput
Posted: 4/19/2005 4:08:02 PM
This just happened to me actually. I was with the girl of my dreams (or at least I thought she was) for about a month. She is suppose to move back to her home country to finish university in 2 months, so I really wanted to spend as much time with her as possible. She was everything I wanted in a woman, both physically and personality-wise, but she is very young... 20 years old. It started off hot and heavy, and I went away for a weekend with her on our second date. Everything was going great until last weekend. On friday night, we were still "hot'n'heavy". On saturday, she was cooling off... when I held her hand, her hand was limp and she hardly danced with me at the club we went to. On sunday she broke my heart. She was flirting with another dude (from her own country) right in front of me. All within a matter of one weekend. This is totally bizarre... I still haven't figured out what went wrong. I know it was only a month and I'll get over it. I've been hurt worse before by my ex of 2 years. But this one is just baffling.
 
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