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 Stella Blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 274 (view)
 
Why do you think Sarah will not speak to the media?
Posted: 11/20/2008 2:09:13 PM

I just watched David Letterman with Katie Couric on the show.
They spent an entire segment, 15 minutes trashing Sarah Palin.
The ONE time Katie mentioned Barack Obama Dave said no no no I'm still talking about Sarah Palin.
If it's any indication of the possibility of positive change for the future, these media people can't move forward from 3 weeks in the past.
I've yet to see Letterman do a single joke on Obama in the style that he enjoys ripping republicans new arsholes on a nightly basis for the last 8 years.


My mother was upset because the talk shows were having so much fun at Palin's expense.
My point, is that maybe McCain should not have picked such an easy target. People make jokes about her because she is a joke.
I find it amusing that the right was constantly trying to over-exaggerate her qualification... military, leadership, oil, international relations (I can see Russia from my house).
Maybe McCain should have actually picked someone with those qualifications.
 Stella Blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 267 (view)
 
Why do you think Sarah will not speak to the media?
Posted: 11/19/2008 4:51:39 PM
Does anybody else find it amazing the the GOP keeps trying to sell the public these complete morons? Isnt this the same party that gave us w?

Honestly, Palin lost a lot of support for McCain.
I know of quite a few who refused to vote for him because of her.
Now, there were many who still voted for HIM despite her. Everyone who supported her voted for McCain and it was not enough. I have a hard time believing that there are enough people who are that (let me think of a nice word) simple to actually vote for her without McCain. But then again...........
 Stella Blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 417 (view)
 
Prop 8 in california (state constitutional amendment defining marriage between a man and woman)
Posted: 11/19/2008 4:39:03 PM
I was all ready to reply to Lass but everyone else seems to have covered it pretty well.
I am so tired of the Slippery Slope argument I could vomit.

Can we just get rid of the fear and try a little comapssion for a while?
I find it disgusting that in the US we are continually voting to deny people rights.

And I do have an impressionable young daughter and what I do not want is her to be exposed to teachers who are teaching bigotry, fear and intollerance. Give me a big, gay, intelligent teacher over that any day!
 Stella Blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 160 (view)
 
The truth about welfare!
Posted: 11/19/2008 11:57:35 AM

People refusing to work is a drain on the taxpayer, and it erodes the person self worth not to be working. Second, explain to small business owner why his or her hard should pay for people to be on the dole as a lifestyle. Society is willing to give hand up to those able work to work, but not long term handout at the expense of the taxpayer , No way!!!!


And here is the erroneous assumption, that it is lazy people who refuse to work that are living high off the hog. You have to give it to the Republicans for framing it.

The joke that "society" is willing to give a hand up is ridiculous.
Let me give you an example: The difference between the Baby boomers, the X-gen and Y-gen is that for the boomers education was actually affordable. Now we have grants and student loans but the cost of education and books has SKYROCKETED. So now, when most students graduate from college, not only are the jobs more scarce, but they are carrying a large loan debt.

Loo at what the country is spending on the 2 wars! If that money was pumped back into the populace instead of giving it to KBR (who is off shoring the jobs to avoid taxes) and Halliburton (who moved to Dubai) it would help our economy. Right now, it is a hemorrhage!
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Best Political Websites?
Posted: 11/12/2008 5:00:17 PM
Truth be known, I am a huge Amy Goodman fan. DemocracyNow! every morning.


all political websites are of no value to me at all
I educate myself with facts and make my own decisions

last thing in the world I want , is someone else's opinion



OK this is quite hysterical! I am just wondering where you get all your facts that you are busy educating yourself with. Every site will have a bias of some sort. There are some that try very hard to be as unbiased as possible though.
But the decision of what to cover and what to overlook and of what "facts" to present people is already being made.

If you are not getting if off of web sites, where are you getting it?
I am sure there are no decisions being made there.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 808 (view)
 
Over for Mccain?
Posted: 10/31/2008 3:57:07 PM

Why has it been four years, eight years and it's still allegations?

Wait for the truth then you will know the truth of it. We all will know.

You have to ask yourself, whatever the truth is, can you accept it?


So the GOP's cyber expert telling you that the fix was in and defining how they did it is my opinion?

Anyone who does not care that the election is irrelevent becuase they have rigged how the votes are "delivered" is unpatriotic.
People are fighting like hell to get this thing covered. But when they are constantly fighting the supoenas and they control the AE office .............

And ask yourself why we never hear about this.
I know you dont care about this country. All you care about is rhetoric. The terrorists have taken over the country and convinced you that they are you friend.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 805 (view)
 
Over for Mccain?
Posted: 10/31/2008 3:30:50 PM
Honestly, this is not over by a long shot!
So, I will keep writing about what I am finding.
With voter disenfranchisement and electronic rigging, I wont be at all suprised to see McCain win. I hate to say it.

They did it in 2000. Which allowed them to set up the system to do it in 2004. They are getting better at it and no one seems to be paying attention.

Now, for all those UNPATRIOTIC REPUBLICANS who do not care that they have a system set up to change the votes- SHAME ON YOU!
Do you really care that little for your country?


It was between midnight and 2am during the 2004 election that the Ohio majority for John Kerry electronically became a winning margin for George W. Bush. The "miraculous" shift occurred after Ohio's official vote count was outsourced to private company SmartTech's servers in Chattanooga, Tennessee. The servers housed a virtual who's who of Republican and anti-Kerry websites.

The Free Press has also learned that SmartTech technicians took over control at then-Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell's office at approximately 9 p.m. on Election Day 2004.
------------------------------------

Without neutralizing these twin towers of electronic disenfrancisement and vote theft, a McCain-Palin victory on November 4 is all but inevitable, no matter what the polls now seem to say.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-fitrakis-and-harvey-wasserman/beware-the-twin-towers-of_b_139299.html




If you want to know why each election- the momentum and the polls are on the Dem's side and w kept winning........
They set up "Man in the middle" cyber attacks. This means that the votes were funneled onto a server and altered. There is no other reason for the extra server to be used.

Stephen Spoonamore- the former CEO of Cybrinth, a GOP Cyber security expert and a McCain supporter has blown the whistle on them and the media is not covering it.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 9 (view)
 
Democrat blogger Margaret
Posted: 10/31/2008 2:41:25 PM
Loved her site!
I am so happy to see that there are so many intelligent aware people of all ages out there. Hellen is willing to just call it like she sees it! She is right on the money.


I think Obama is an ***hole, because just like Helen thinks Palin’s a bad mom for having her baby on television at a late hour, I think Obama’s a bad father for displaying his kids on televisions at all.


Does this mean you think that Palin is a bad mother? I would hate to think that you are a hypocrite!



I think Obama’s an ***hole for Acorn. Come on. You’re just stupid if you think that one’s ok.



Now, common! Even a moron can see that this is just a stunt. ACORN should not even be an issue. What blows my mind though is the fact that McCain paid $175k to repub. operative accused of massive voter fraud and it has not come out in the "liberal" media.


McCain Campaign Paid Republican Operative Accused of Voter Fraud

John McCain paid $175,000 of campaign money to a Republican operative accused of massive voter registration fraud in several states, it has emerged.
The documents show that a joint committee of the McCain-Palin campaign, the Republican National Committee and the California Republican Party, made the payment to Lincoln Strategy, of which Mr Sproul is the managing partner, for the purposes of "voter registration".
In October last year, the House Judiciary Committee wrote to the Attorney General requesting answers regarding a number of allegations against Mr Sproul's firm, then known as Sproul and Associates. It referred to evidence that ahead of the 2004 national elections, the firm trained staff only to register Republican voters and destroyed any other registration cards, citing affidavits from former staff members and investigations by television news programmes.

One former worker testified that "fooling people was key to the job" and that "canvassers were told to act as if they were non-partisan, to hide that they were working for the RNC, especially if approached by the media," according to the committee's letter. It also cited reports from public libraries across the country that the firm had asked to set up voter registration tables claiming it was working on behalf of the non-partisan group America Votes, though in fact no such link existed.

Such activities "clearly suppress votes and violate the law", wrote John Conyers, the Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. The letter suggested that the Judiciary Department had failed to take sufficient action on the allegations because of the politicisation of the department under the then-attorney general, John Ashcroft.

That year, Mr Sproul's firm was paid $8,359,161 by the Republican Party, according to a 2005 article in the Baltimore Chronicle, which claimed that this was far more than what had been reported to the Federal Elections Commission.


or that the "liberal media" have not been covering the story about Connell - IT guy who set up the "Man in the Middle" site to change the Ohio vote in 2004. Apparently he did it to "save the babies" and did it on the server that the white house emails are stored on. And that would be where Rove's missing emails went.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Republican_IT_consultant_subpoenaed_in_case_0929.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_dJPkZdJLA
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/04/25/761
http://pieceofmind.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/velvet-revolution-interviews-stephen-spoonamore-segment-3/

AND THEY ARE SET UP TO DO IT AGAIN
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 797 (view)
 
Over for Mccain?
Posted: 10/31/2008 12:18:46 PM

I read lots of information and this is my understanding.
30% of Republicans say there should be a more even distribution of money and wealth, compared to 60% of independents and an overwhelming majority of 84% of Democrats.

The sentiment that money and wealth should be more evenly distributed does not address the issue of exactly how this objective would be achieved. One of the more contentious points on the presidential campaign trail in recent weeks has been McCain's continuing assertion that Obama's tax plan, which would involve higher taxes for high-income families, is "redistributionist," with some McCain supporters going so far as to argue that Obama's tax plans would be "socialist." These disputes focus on the longtime argument in economic and political philosophy over government's ideal role, if any, in attempting to redistribute money and wealth through the use of taxes.


We have not had this drastic of income disparity since 1929. Does that year ring any bells?
McCain can keep lying calling Obama socialist (BTW Bill Kristol admitted last night on the Daily Show that it is all a ploy by the campaign and that Obama is centrist.) and call it Marxism all he wants. The truth is that policies in the US and the tax code have been responsible for the distribution of the wealth from the middle and lower class to the top 10%. When 90% of us are fighting over that last 8.5% it slows the economy down.

Redistribution has to happen in order to come out of this cycle. The huge debt spending over the last 8 years is the only reason why we have avoided it as long as we have.

I will agree that "How this redistribution occurs" is the question. I personally favor doing it through the tax code. Increase the tax rate on corporations especially and then give generous breaks in areas to encourage the redistribution.
For example:

If the CEO makes less than 3 times the average working wage in the company
If the company pays a living wage to all employees
If a company employs 90% of employees in the US


Just some ideas. We need to understand though that what we have been doing _ this trickle down crap- it just does not work. It never did.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 766 (view)
 
Over for Mccain?
Posted: 10/30/2008 2:04:19 PM

Cheney broke no laws concerning Halliburton.


I would beg to differ on that! While Cheney was CEO they set up a shell "subsidiary" in the Cayman Islands (That didnt actually exist) and then illegally did business with Iran and Libya.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/about_hal/iran.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58298-2005Feb2.html

But not to worry- Halliburton is not even in the US anymore. They moved to Dubai.
I dont know about you but I have a bit of a problem with hundreds of billions of dollars in contracts going to a company that moves to Dubai. There go those tax dollars leaving our system again!
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 17 (view)
 
opec's emergency meeting
Posted: 10/30/2008 9:03:07 AM
Exactly what is your problem with Chavez?

Just because w says he is our enemy doesnt mean he is.
He has stated pretty clearly that it is the administration that he is not terribly fond of. I mean the US did stage a coup and tried to get this democratically elected leader ousted. Chavez is very popular in his own country. Who do we think we are?

Oh, that's right ... we do things like this all the time. We spout the rhetoric that we are promoting democracy, but it is only if a leader "we approve of" gets elected.
If not, we call them terrorists and try to over throw them sending their country into turmoil.

You ever wonder why Iran is not so happy with us? The CIA over threw their government and put in the US backed Shaw.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 735 (view)
 
Over for Mccain?
Posted: 10/29/2008 3:34:24 PM

Youre Republican? Thats a complete surprise to me...I havent seen you say one single thing to lead me to believe that..


Funny, huh?

Truth is, I have known many republicans who are republicans because they actually believe in fiscally conservative p0licies. Every single one of them is pissed off that their party has been hijacked by neo-cons - who are in no way fiscally conservative and cultural conservatives.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 44 (view)
 
Why is a U.S. Army brigade being assigned to the Homeland?
Posted: 10/29/2008 1:17:41 PM
Just this once, and I will never reply to one of your messages again. New rule: Your IQ must be this high for me to converse. Otherwise- waste of time!


Whole ACORN thing is a ruse. if you cant see it- well.....Not sure how you think minimum wage employees writing up false voter registrations for people who will never vote just so they can collect a measly paycheck is like a coup. And the fact that ACORN had gone through the registrations and separated the questionable ones, but BY LAW they must turn them in............



McCain Campaign Paid Republican Operative Accused of Voter Fraud

John McCain paid $175,000 of campaign money to a Republican operative accused of massive voter registration fraud in several states, it has emerged.
The documents show that a joint committee of the McCain-Palin campaign, the Republican National Committee and the California Republican Party, made the payment to Lincoln Strategy, of which Mr Sproul is the managing partner, for the purposes of "voter registration".
In October last year, the House Judiciary Committee wrote to the Attorney General requesting answers regarding a number of allegations against Mr Sproul's firm, then known as Sproul and Associates. It referred to evidence that ahead of the 2004 national elections, the firm trained staff only to register Republican voters and destroyed any other registration cards, citing affidavits from former staff members and investigations by television news programmes.

One former worker testified that "fooling people was key to the job" and that "canvassers were told to act as if they were non-partisan, to hide that they were working for the RNC, especially if approached by the media," according to the committee's letter. It also cited reports from public libraries across the country that the firm had asked to set up voter registration tables claiming it was working on behalf of the non-partisan group America Votes, though in fact no such link existed.

Such activities "clearly suppress votes and violate the law", wrote John Conyers, the Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. The letter suggested that the Judiciary Department had failed to take sufficient action on the allegations because of the politicisation of the department under the then-attorney general, John Ashcroft.

That year, Mr Sproul's firm was paid $8,359,161 by the Republican Party, according to a 2005 article in the Baltimore Chronicle, which claimed that this was far more than what had been reported to the Federal Elections Commission.


Now- how is a non-profit group of lawyers who try to protect the constitution and constitutional right of EVERY citizen in the US un-american?

Manchurian Candidate? Now, I do believe that there is one condidate that was held for years as a POW- now it all makes sense.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 674 (view)
 
Over for Mccain?
Posted: 10/27/2008 5:19:59 PM

Also in 1995, the first organizing meeting for Obama's state senatorial campaign reportedly was held in Ayers's apartment. In a widely circulated article, WND first reported Obama served on the board of the Wood's Fund, a liberal Chicago nonprofit, alongside Ayers from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002, according to the Fund's website. Tax filings showed Obama received compensation of $6,000 per year for his service in 1999 and 2000.



Youre like a dog with a bone on this one! And honestly, like a broken record.

So, to straighten it out- I dont care if they were secretly lovers! I just dont care.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 667 (view)
 
Over for Mccain?
Posted: 10/27/2008 4:44:26 PM

You may not think that McCain deserves to be president because he served, but you cant say it isnt a big plus as being experience the commander of the nations military forces could use. What experience does Obama have in that arena? Ummmmm, Zero? It only makes sense to me, McCain would be more qualified to run than a man who has zero time in the service. Especially since 911.


It isnt a big plus!

This man has a hammer and sees every problem as a nail. What we really need is an even tempered person to rule, not one who is still trying to come home with honor from Viet Nam.

I want someone who is more reticent to send in the troops! We have been led by warmongers for way too long who think that the way we solve problems is with guns and bombs and threats. We need a person of intellect who knows that war should be a LAST RESORT, not a man who sings songs like "Bomb, bomb Iran".
As a country we have been amazingly hypocritical! We play this do as I say not as I do game like somehow we deserve for the rest of the world to do just exactly as they are told.
We get to decide who the good guys and bad guys are. We think that we get to decide who has certain technologies. We get to call other countries enemies and terrorist sympathizers because they do not do our bidding.

The rest of the world sees it. It is why we have completely lost our standing in this world. We, the US, is the country that attacked a sovereign nation unprovoked. The US is the country that suspended Habeas Corpus. The US is the country that was using extraordinary rendition to kidnap people, many innocent, and torture them.

I want a president that thinks that these things are BAD!
Not one who so carelessly sings "Bomb bomb Iran".

Now, imagine that Ahmadinejad was singing it at us.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 53 (view)
 
In Light of the Neiman Marcus Bill...
Posted: 10/24/2008 4:46:11 PM

You're supposed to be the type of person that advocates that we should help the poor out, but yet you find it yuck and disgusting for people to give away cloths that they don't ware anymore to people in need? The greatest example of redistribution of wealth is charity, remember that.


Youknow, you often come up with some intelligent arguments. Of all the conservatives on here, you seem to be one of the more rational ones. So please, spare me.

If you would just come off the party line and admit that the $150k was extravagent, out of touch and hypocritical you would garner a lot more respect.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 18 (view)
 
An Honest Question?
Posted: 10/24/2008 4:31:37 PM

I don't personally believe in debt. I've never even had a mortgage, but this is the way most of the country operates. Today's worker will never be able to pay off their home, and I don't see how they'd ever be able to retire.


The point we are all missing is that our economy would have tanked a long time ago if people were not going into debt.
The income disparity has become so great in this country that inorder for the economy to be "strong" 50% of the people had to purchase more than they can afford to keep the economy going. If everyone just bought what they could afford a lot of businesses would have gone under a while back.

When the uber weathy hold 91.5% of the wealth we are in trouble. It really is what caused the great Depression. And we have done it again!

The income disparity right now is the greatest it has been since 1929. Ring any bells?


They come to us courtesy of Marriner S. Eccles, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve from 1934 1948 — think of him as the Ben Bernanke of his day.

In his 1951 memoir Beckoning Frontiers, Eccles detailed what he believed caused the Depression.

Eccles wrote:

"As mass production has to be accompanied by mass consumption, mass consumption, in turn, implies a distribution of wealth — not of existing wealth, but of wealth as it is currently produced — to provide men with buying power equal to the amount of goods and services offered by the nations economic machinery. [Emphasis in original.]

Instead of achieving that kind of distribution, a giant suction pump had by 1929-30 drawn into a few hands an increasing portion of currently produced wealth. This served them as capital accumulations. But by taking purchasing power out of the hands of mass consumers, the savers denied to themselves the kind of effective demand for their products that would justify a reinvestment of their capital accumulations in new plants. In consequence, as in a poker game where the chips were concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, the other fellows could stay in the game only by borrowing. When their credit ran out, the game stopped.


It's history repeating itself. LEARN!
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 561 (view)
 
Over for Mccain?
Posted: 10/24/2008 4:18:47 PM

Nice try HT Dad but they were "freedom fighters" and the dead was necessary collateral damage. (Sarcasm not directed at you... it's the idiocy of picking and choosing who we want to consider "bad terrorists" and "good terrorists").



Mercy, mercy, why did we read it buried on the last page of our morning papers?
The plan was drafted, drafted in secret.
Gunboats met the red tide, driven to the rum trade for the army that they created.
But the bullets were bought by us, it was dollars that paid them.

Please forgive us, we dont know what was done in our name.
Therell be more trials like this in mercenary heydays.
When theyre so apt to wrap themselves up in the stripes and stars
And find that they are able to call themselves heroes
And to justify murder by their fighters for freedom.

coutesy of 1000 maniacs- please forgive us.


And I wills tate again in regard to taxes. For those how are always threatening socialism and higher taxes. We will be paying the tax rates of those evil "socialist" countries that take care of their citizens with nothing to show for it. We will have no free college education to keep us educated and competetive. We will have no socialized medicine to keep people from going bankrupt just becuase they got sick. But we will have the taxes. Just becasue our government spent out of control, while letting the rich off the hook. Because we pend more on Military than the rest of the world COMBINED.

I think I should sell Tshirts that say -"My government spent trillions and all I got was this ridiculous Military Inductrial Complex" Anybody buying?
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 556 (view)
 
Over for Mccain?
Posted: 10/24/2008 2:43:44 PM

If you hate your country...it is because you have been brainwashed into believing we are bad...why would a person want to tear down their own house...It has always been the plan of our enemies to divide us...but public apathy has keep people from educating theirselves on the issues of the times....Its just plain stupid in my way of thinking...We should be uniting...not tearing our own house down...Where will we go? This is our country of origin...We have no place to go..so I think we had better take much better care of our own house..be proud.


This is the LAST time that I will comment on or even read your posts. Just way too disturbing!

Honestly, if you are busy waving the US flag and pretending the the US has just been spreading love and good will around the world I have a bridge to sell you.

Putting your head in the sand and being proud to be an American is not helping matters. Honestly, the Progressives want to be proud of our country for taking care of it's poor, for promoting Democracy around the world (instead of staging coups against democratically elected leaders because we did not ike their positions and they would not do our bidding) ....... We would just actually need us to do those things, instead of being brainwashed and pretending.

And I do agree with you-

Its just plain stupid in my way of thinking
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 31 (view)
 
SEXISM and the 2008 Presidential Election
Posted: 10/24/2008 2:24:02 PM

There are already people that are not going to vote for Obama simply because he is african-american and haven't you heard of the Bradley Affect? That is in reference to the former mayor of L.A. when he ran for governor of CA and was leading in the exit polls and lost. The reason why is people voted one way and answered the exit poll the other way, so as not to sound racist.


The Bradley Effect is a myth! The only time it happened was with Bradley and it was not with the exit polls it was with the polls leading up to the election Right before the election a bunch of crap came out, which is why he lost.

It is a cover-up. If you really look at it, the last 2 elections Bush was behind and then "magically" won with the help of stunts like "middle man" computer systems like in Ohio and by illegal voter cleaning in FL just to name 2. So instead of the "Bradley Effect" we should call it the "GOP Election Fraud" Effect.


I find it amazing that anyone would take the Bradley Effect seriously. Racist people do not care about sounding racist. Why would voting for a candidate you feel represents you be racist? I have found that those who are not voting for Obama because he is a black man- (they can call it anything they want- Ayers, Elitist.....) but they are pretty damn proud of their position.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 39 (view)
 
In Light of the Neiman Marcus Bill...
Posted: 10/24/2008 10:29:18 AM
It just keeps getting better!


But McCain's Oct. 1-15 filing showed that the campaign paid $22,800 to Palin's traveling stylist, Amy Strozzi, an acclaimed celebrity makeup artist. In contrast, McCain's foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, was paid $12,500, the report showed.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081024/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_money

Turns out that the $200 or $400 dollar haircut was a bargain
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 245 (view)
 
ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/24/2008 9:51:02 AM

I agree w/ photo and fingerprint ID. Those that argue that, have something to hide or are just too lazy to take the extra effort. Now days with identity theft so rampid, fingerprinting only makes sense. Just my opinion.


Why dont we just use our DNA? Maybe we could give a retinal scan too!


OK, this is actually histerical! We do know that for the past 8 years the GOP has done everything it can to suppress democratic voter turn out. I can easily supply links. (We can also get into what occured in FL with the voter roster purging that Jeb Bush did against a court ordered injunction and nothing happened to him for it.)

But McCain crying wolf claiming that ACORN is a huge threat to democracy- when it is apparent that it was a small percentage of minimum wage employees that filled out false registrations. ACORN is required to send in ALL registration forms BY LAW. They did try to help though by picking out the suspicious one. SO, pretty much the ACORN thing is a distractions. And the GOP is once again the POT calling the kettle black



McCain Campaign Paid Republican Operative Accused of Voter Fraud

John McCain paid $175,000 of campaign money to a Republican operative accused of massive voter registration fraud in several states, it has emerged.
The documents show that a joint committee of the McCain-Palin campaign, the Republican National Committee and the California Republican Party, made the payment to Lincoln Strategy, of which Mr Sproul is the managing partner, for the purposes of "voter registration".
In October last year, the House Judiciary Committee wrote to the Attorney General requesting answers regarding a number of allegations against Mr Sproul's firm, then known as Sproul and Associates. It referred to evidence that ahead of the 2004 national elections, the firm trained staff only to register Republican voters and destroyed any other registration cards, citing affidavits from former staff members and investigations by television news programmes.

One former worker testified that "fooling people was key to the job" and that "canvassers were told to act as if they were non-partisan, to hide that they were working for the RNC, especially if approached by the media," according to the committee's letter. It also cited reports from public libraries across the country that the firm had asked to set up voter registration tables claiming it was working on behalf of the non-partisan group America Votes, though in fact no such link existed.

Such activities "clearly suppress votes and violate the law", wrote John Conyers, the Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. The letter suggested that the Judiciary Department had failed to take sufficient action on the allegations because of the politicisation of the department under the then-attorney general, John Ashcroft.

That year, Mr Sproul's firm was paid $8,359,161 by the Republican Party, according to a 2005 article in the Baltimore Chronicle, which claimed that this was far more than what had been reported to the Federal Elections Commission.


http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/22

So, why isnt this being covered again by the LIBERAL media? Why wasnt it covered when it originally came out? Why wasnt it prosecuted again? I mean if the GOP is so concerned with protecting deomcracy and all!
HYPOCRITES
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 22 (view)
 
Obama vs McCain on taxes & truth about the war
Posted: 10/23/2008 12:13:55 PM

2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON TALKING POINTS ISSUE


Actually there were a few factual errors and intentiona distortions but most of it was right on and has convinced me to vote for Obama even more.



(How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)


Apparently the RNC sent this to you some time back. If you think that anybody is selling their home and making a profit I have a bridge to sell you.


OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Obama will let Bush Tax Cuts EXPIRE


Only on incomes of over $250K- whiich is where most of the tax cuts were anyway. the average American has been getting SCREWED for the last 8 years and you want me to worry about those with incomes over $250k?


INHERITANCE TAX

MCCAIN

0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA

Restore the inheritance tax

Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.
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This is the biggest lie of all! No one has ever lost their farm from an inheritance tax! It only applies to over $1 million anyways. When w was repealing it the Dems tried to get it for estates of $10 million and still couldnt. By eliminating it they were making a permanent aristocracy- which BTW does not include you.

The tax breaks and policies of trickle down economics has created the largest wealth disparities in this country since 1929. It is what has caused the situation we are in.

Now you want me to feel bad and be scared that Obama plans to do something to address it? Get a clue!
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 13 (view)
 
In Light of the Neiman Marcus Bill...
Posted: 10/23/2008 11:28:23 AM
Actually $18k was completely incorrect. So, let's see - she has done -is it 3 interviews? Disappeared from the public eye for weeks. Really she has just been out and about trying to rake up the right amount of bile and anger from middle America for really a month. 150k. Yup, just a hockey mom. She is just like us.


McCain Campaign Spent $150K on Palin Clothes, Accessories
In other campaign news, the McCain campaign has been forced to admit it’s spent more than $150,000 on Palin’s clothes and accessories since she became the Republican vice-presidential nominee in August. Republicans say they’ve always intended to donate the clothes to charity after the elections. But critics say the spending reinforces the perception Republicans have falsely constructed an image of Palin as being in touch with average Americans.



Somehow I doubt that Jacqui Onassis (Kennedy) would shop for 1000 dollars a month today, or buy the Walmart specials.


She's dead! How is that blind partisanship working for you? Of course she needs a wardrobe. I guess as governor she was just wearing jeans and didnt have anything nice to wear. So for 1 month of campaigning she needed $150k wardrobe. That is $5ooo a day for a hockey mom. Anyone buying it?

Just more GOP elitist crap. Well, they are doing their bit to stimulate the economy.

Now back to the real issues.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 25 (view)
 
Republicans caused economic crisis,read todays news!
Posted: 10/23/2008 10:52:59 AM

I suggested ONCE that you might use paragraphs to make your posts more readable, and mentioned ONCE the proper spelling of Reagan's name. If you think that's all I have posted here, then you should read more.


As much as it may pain me....I actually have to agree with tallskier here. You really should use paragraphs if you want people to read your posts.

Without breaks it is exhausting to read! Honestly, when anybody writes without breaks I tend to read the first part and skip over the rest.

You are writing with the intention of others reading it. Please hit the enter key every so often and make it easier on us.

Peace!
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 19 (view)
 
Republicans caused economic crisis,read todays news!
Posted: 10/22/2008 4:02:29 PM

Both sides were to blame. But deregulation - and that is what caused this - is a GOP mandate, and you know it! Clinton did sign the Gramm-Leach Act but as you all point out so much, congress writes the laws. It was a REPUBLICAN BILL. Infact written by McCain's economics advisor.

It wasn’t President Bush who got us into this, but rather it was former President Clinton who signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. Title I of that bill states that its main purpose was for “Facilitating Affiliation Among Banks, Securities Firms, and Insurance Companies.” The text of the bill explains that it repeals the 1930s protection legislation known as the Glatt-Spiegel Act. 1

The problem with the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, as Lauren Stefen of the Houston Chronicle explained, was that: “The new law blurred the lines among financial institutions, allowing them to dabble in home lending, stockbrokering, wealth management, investment banking, commodities trading, insurance and a slew of other activities that swirled into the miasma from which the current crisis grew.”


Bill Clinton signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, his Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin approved it (Rubin is now chairman of the executive committee of Citigroup), and three Republicans (Phil Gramm, James Leach and Tom Bliley, a former Virginia congressman) wrote it.


http://www.starexponent.com/cse/news/opinion/columnists/article/a_campaign_slogan_for_voters/21560/

So, both "sides" are culpable. Do remember this "do nothing congress" that has been run by the Dems for 18 months has not been able to get anything through congress. They are constantly being vetoed. And the Dems do not really have the majority as it is. Lieberman isnt a Dem anymore.

As it turns out, neither party has been on our - the people's - side for a long time. Keep playing the partisan game. How's that workin for ya?

This has been building up since the early 80s.
As the wealth has become more and more concentrated in the hands of the few, jobs have been out sourced, costs for college, health care, oil...have been SOARING and the average American's buying power dwindling. In order for the economy to continue to grow people had to buy on credit.

If Americans were not so readily maxing out the credit cards and buying cars, houses, clothes and bright shiny objects that they didnt need and could not afford our economy would have been in the dumps quite some time ago.

Remember after 911 w told us to go out and shop.
Trickle down economics does not work. The rich got richer, corporations increased their profits by shipping your jobs overseas. The average American got screwed.

Right now the income disparity is akin to how it was in 1929.


They come to us courtesy of Marriner S. Eccles, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve from 1934 1948 — think of him as the Ben Bernanke of his day.

In his 1951 memoir Beckoning Frontiers, Eccles detailed what he believed caused the Depression.

Eccles wrote:

"As mass production has to be accompanied by mass consumption, mass consumption, in turn, implies a distribution of wealth — not of existing wealth, but of wealth as it is currently produced — to provide men with buying power equal to the amount of goods and services offered by the nations economic machinery. [Emphasis in original.]

Instead of achieving that kind of distribution, a giant suction pump had by 1929-30 drawn into a few hands an increasing portion of currently produced wealth. This served them as capital accumulations. But by taking purchasing power out of the hands of mass consumers, the savers denied to themselves the kind of effective demand for their products that would justify a reinvestment of their capital accumulations in new plants. In consequence, as in a poker game where the chips were concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, the other fellows could stay in the game only by borrowing. When their credit ran out, the game stopped.


So, this has been caused in a large way by the trickle up economics. The steady move of wealth from the middle class to the rich.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 480 (view)
 
Over for Mccain?
Posted: 10/22/2008 12:46:58 PM
DemocracyNow! today


AMY GOODMAN: Mark Crispin Miller, professor of media, culture and communication at New York University is our guest. His most recent book, Loser Take All. Who is Stephen Spoonamore?

MARK CRISPIN MILLER: Stephen Spoonamore is a conservative Republican, a former McCain supporter and, most importantly, a renowned and highly successful expert at the detection of computer fraud. That’s his profession. He works for major banks. He works for foreign governments. He works for the Secret Service. Those are his clients.

He knows personally the principal players in Bush-Cheney’s conspiracy to subvert our elections through electronic means since 2000, and he has named these principal players. Specifically, he has named a man named Mike Connell. Mike Connell, according to Spoonamore, is Karl Rove’s computer guru. This is the guy who has helped Bush-Cheney fix election results through computers since Florida 2000, in Ohio in 2004, also in the stolen re-election of Governor Don Siegelman in Alabama in 2002, also in the stolen re-election of Senator Max Cleland in Georgia in 2002.

AMY GOODMAN: How?

MARK CRISPIN MILLER: Well, basically, they use a kind of architecture that’s called Man in the Middle, and it involves shunting election returns data through a separate computer somewhere else. This is something that computer criminals do all the time with banks. Spoonamore explains that the Man in the Middle setup is extremely effective and basically undetectable as a way to change election results.

Now, the scariest thing is that Connell told Spoonamore that the reason why he has helped Bush-Cheney still these elections for the last eight years has been to save the babies. See? We have to understand that there’s a very powerful component of religious fanaticism at work in the election fraud conspiracy. We saw a little bit of that in Greenswald’s film, where Paul Weyrich was talking about how we don’t want people voting.
AMY GOODMAN: The conservative activist.

ARK CRISPIN MILLER: Well, because the majority is a majority of unbelievers. They’re pro-choice. They’re corrupt. They’re evil. They don’t get it. It’s therefore necessary to fix election results in order to prevent the unjust and the unrighteous from taking over.


For more on how they actually pulled off the stolen election in 2004

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/04/25/761
Are Rove's Missing E-mails the Smoking Guns of the Stolen 2004 Election?


And it is already occuring in the election this year


WV Voting Machines Switch Votes from Obama to McCain
Early voting in the presidential election has already begun in many states, and problems are already emerging at the polls. In West Virginia, voters in at least two counties using touchscreen voting machines have claimed their votes were switched from Democrat to Republican. Six voters reported having this problem in Jackson and Putnam Counties. In both counties, Republicans are responsible for overseeing elections. One voter, a retired nurse named Shelba Ketchum, said, "I hit Obama, and it switched to McCain. I am really concerned about that. If McCain wins, there was something wrong with the machines.” Election officials blamed voters for not being more careful. Both counties use machines made by Election Systems & Software.



There is plenty of evidence that they did steal the election in both 2000 and 2004.
I will ask the question again. Is it OK if the GOP did this, if your "side" (or what you think to be your side) won?

Is that patriotic?
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 12 (view)
 
opec's emergency meeting
Posted: 10/22/2008 12:28:53 PM

Since MOST of the citizens in this country have been brainwashed into believing that the war in Iraq is all about oil, then why don't we go ahead and prove them right by taking the oil being produced and ship it straight to our refineries? I would love to have 27 cent/gallon gasoline.

*grumble--while I am as patriotic as the next American, why oh why don't we pay for this extended c_ockfight in Iraq with the oil being produced over there??????


The brainwashing was that we were over there for WMD- no to bring democracy to Iraq, to defend against the terrorists.

What a load! How many trillions of dollars will it take til some people wake up?
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 11 (view)
 
opec's emergency meeting
Posted: 10/22/2008 12:26:55 PM
The prices now are about where they were in 2006.
Let me remind everyone that when w took office the price of gas was $1.46 gal.

OPEC was freaked when the prices skyrocketed from speculation I think for exactly this reason. There really was no shortage in the first place. The price was driven artificially high. If people jusmped on that bandwagon and sunk their investments in order to profit off of other's misery, well, too bad!

OPEC was afraid that with the price SO HIGH demand would go down and viola!
Now OPEC has gotten used to the high prices of oil so they are freaking.
Note that in 1999 oil was below $15 barrel

http://inflationdata.com/inflation/images/charts/Oil/Inflation_Adj_Oil_Prices_Chart.htm

As a country we have been very wasteful, especially with oil. The huge rise in prices will probably end up being a good thing if it forces us to look at cleaner alternatives and to conserve. If all we do is drill- it will be negative. Some people never learn though.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 14 (view)
 
SEXISM and the 2008 Presidential Election
Posted: 10/22/2008 10:33:58 AM

The Democrats' support of women's rights, it seems, is restricted only to the most convenient political situation: liberal women versus white males. When it's liberal women versus black males -- see Clinton vs. Obama -- the left dumps women's rights in favor of racial gains. When it's conservative women versus anybody, the left ignores women's rights completely.


So, you are somehow suggesting that even though Palin's position in my opinion is very anti-women's rights, that women should vote for her, or support her because she is a woman? Now THAT IS SEXIST!



For Sarah Palin, according to the left, it's back to the kitchen and the minivan. And for liberal women who sit by idly as Palin is excoriated for her gender, there's a special place in hell. At least according to Madeleine Albright. Who, so far, has said nothing.



We dont want Palin to go back to the kitchen, we just want her to go back to Alaska!

Palin has been handled with kid gloves as far as I am concerned. You are asking for people to treat them differently becuase they are female. You are the one being sexist! She was not vetted well enough. The fact that Troopergate was going on and she was chosen is proof of that. She was found to have behaved unethically and illegally (violated the sunshine act).
Now, if Biden had taken the same actions, he would be toast.

Lass, you are still too bitter about Hillary. Now you see sexism everywhere.
I agree with itechman completely here:


I feel the way about Palin that I would any man that shared her view of the world. It has nothing to do with her gender... she's just a politician with a limited and extremist viewpoint period.

I didn't want Hillary as President because I felt she represented too much the status quo in government. My feelings on that in no way reflected any diminishing view of her capabilities as a leader. Just because I didn't prefer her leadership doesn't in any way mean that I didn't think she would be a good leader. At times I consider she might be brilliant in that capacity.

Palin is not even within light years of Hillary's capabilities as a leader. Even if Palin was a man holding the same beliefs, that would not be different. Palin's issues are not the result of her gender, they are the result of what she knows and how she thinks. Hillary knows more than a couple of words in the Constitution (I'd say probably all of it).
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 24 (view)
 
Obama asked about small businesses making 250,000 a year
Posted: 10/21/2008 12:55:07 PM

I know our military budget is by far the highest in the world. Depending on whose figures you trust it's either slightly more or slightly less that all the other countries' military budgets combined. That's obscene. And I don't think those numbers include the dedicated funding for Iraq. You wanna save a few tax dollars for a quarter million dollar plumber? Cut back a smart bomb or two. Retire a few past prime generals. The opportunities are boundless.


Yes, the budget is more than the rest combined BEFORE you account for 2 wars. It is insane! This is not for defense! Who are we supposed to be defending ourselves against? Obviously you cannot defend against terrorists this way. Turns out you just creat more terrorists this way. So, exactly who are we supposed to be defending against? China? Arent they the country that we are sending all our jobs and money too? Havent we borrowed 100Billion form them. Seems to me if you wanted to defend our country from them we probably shouldnt be making them so damn rich.

The truth is that we have the largest income disparity since 1929. Do these two years have anything in common? So, the top 10% makes more than the bottom 90% combined. We have outsourced the good paying jobs. Which, BTW makes more money for that top 1%. In order to keep the economy going that bottom 50% needs to buy on credit since they are not making enough to just buy with their paychecks. FOR THE ECONOMY TO GROW or just maintain the bottom 50% had to buy on credit.

Redistribution of wealth is necessary in order for our economy to remain stable.


"As mass production has to be accompanied by mass consumption, mass consumption, in turn, implies a distribution of wealth -- not of existing wealth, but of wealth as it is currently produced -- to provide men with buying power equal to the amount of goods and services offered by the nation's economic machinery. Instead of achieving that kind of distribution, a giant suction pump had by 1929-30 drawn into a few hands an increasing portion of currently produced wealth. This served them as capital accumulations. But by taking purchasing power out of the hands of mass consumers, the savers denied to themselves the kind of effective demand for their products that would justify a reinvestment of their capital accumulations in new plants. In consequence, as in a poker game where the chips were concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, the other fellows could stay in the game only by borrowing. When their credit ran out, the game stopped."

Marriner S. Eccles, Franklin D. Roosevelt's chairman of the Federal Reserve from 1934 to 1948
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 460 (view)
 
Over for Mccain?
Posted: 10/21/2008 12:08:55 PM

"The connections all fit the pattern. The actions all fit the pattern. This guy is exactly what he has been groomed to be under the tutelage of Ayers, Farrakhan, Wright, and others. His true purpose; deceive the American public by a "change" rhetoric that morphs into what ever is politically expedient. He has been tremendously successful at persuading the far left wing of the Democratic Party, into believing that he is simply liberal like them. With this support and the very negative feelings with respect to the Bush administration, a large faction of voters, has had the wool pulled over their eyes. Fact is he is a radical with a secret agenda that is bent on the destruction of virtually all the values most Americans hold very dear. If elected, the destruction he will level on our democracy will be greater then ten thousand of Mr. Ayer’s bombs, wreak more havoc that ten million of Mr. Farrakhan’s militant Black Muslims, and loose a demonic force greater than even Mr. Wright might imagine. "


So these men are selling you more fear and you are buying?
Who is the looney who said this? You are actually quoting Fox news and expect anyone on here to take you seriously? try again!

What a brilliant man Obama must be! This black man pretends to be a Christian for 20 years because he kows that he will be running for President and that 9-11 would happen. He knows all the fear mongering that the GOP will be doing right about now. So, in the 80s he starts pretending to be this Christian guy so he can fool you now. What are you people smoking?

He has been stand up enough to actually campaign on the issues (like both he a McSame promised. It seems only one candidate is willing to stick to his promises though) instead of playing this look at everyone we can prove you have ties to game. In that game McCain loses. Do you even get that?

Oh, and somebody was talking about Foreign policy experience. McCain has more but it is all bad!

I have not been a big Obama supporter. But I must say that I am quite impressed with his demeanor, his resolve, how he has run his campaign as a complete gentleman. This is MUCH more than I can say about his opponents.

The fear mongering, the hate, the riling up of what is the worst in their supporters. Honestly, the GOP shold all hang their heads in shame.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 326 (view)
 
Over for Mccain?
Posted: 10/16/2008 9:46:03 AM
Honestly I have truely had it with this! I have been reading through all these post, day after day. When I get to the end O think "Why bother?"

The statement that Obama was "Hanging around with" or "paling around with" a terrorist is intentionally dishonest! Either you know it or really have bought into the line. If you have dont even try playing the "scary tactics don't work on the educated " Apparently they work extremely well with you!

Obama is not friends with the guy. He doesnt hang out with him. He happened to serve on a board with the guy. Being an acquaintance of someone does not even remotely imply that you endores everything that person has ever said or done. Alluding to that is INSULTING! But, this is all that McCain has. He has nothing positive to say about his policies, his ideas, his party whatsoever.

So, he fear mongers and hopes that the people are ignorant and incitable enough to fall for it. And hook, line and sinker some are.

The interesting thing (and honestly one of the most hopeful things ) is that the more negative, attacking, dishonest and rabid he has been the more his poll numbers slip.
His GOP base, that 20% that still think w is doing a good job (or doesnt belong in prison) love the tase of blood and are apparently pretty easily fooled.
The independent voter has more brains and decency I guess and are completely turned off by this "he's a muslim" he's a terrorist" crap!
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 172 (view)
 
Over for Mccain?
Posted: 10/10/2008 12:58:47 PM

Teaching his daughter that she should look to the government to protect her is the ultimate irresponsibility.


What was I teaching my daughter? I would expect the point to do a flyby over the head of an indoctrinated one conditioned to not think outside of the cave.



Please dont defend yourself to him. He is baiting you.
On top of that, the ones we need protecting from ARE the government.

I think it should be God Help America!
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 170 (view)
 
Over for Mccain?
Posted: 10/10/2008 12:24:25 PM

Here is something that totally amazes me: with all of the research literally at our fingertips, WHY do some folks continue to spread the lies that abound on the internet?
WHY wouldn't a reasonable person want to know the FACTS before posting something that identifies him/her as gullible, naive, and/or desperate?


All they are doing is repeating the lies that McCain and Palin think they are ingnorant enough to swallow. It is McCain and Palin (of course it is really their advisors) that think their supporters are not intelligent enough to use a search engine. ( Actually McCain doesnt know how to use one, now that I think of it.)

He doesnt think that they are lies. he believes that they are the truth. Oh, and the w is a good president..

Honestly, this new attack of lies by the GOP group is more insulting to their supporters than anything.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 2 (view)
 
An Honest Question?
Posted: 10/10/2008 12:14:37 PM
No we are really upset with the massive deregulation that allowed the banks to put out all these inappropriate loans because they were selling off the risks.

Both sides were to blame. But deregulation - and that is what caused this - is a GOP mandate, and you know it! Clinton did sign the Gramm-Leach Act but as you all point out so much, congress writes the laws. It was a REPUBLICAN BILL. Infact written by McCain's economics advisor.


It wasn’t President Bush who got us into this, but rather it was former President Clinton who signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. Title I of that bill states that its main purpose was for “Facilitating Affiliation Among Banks, Securities Firms, and Insurance Companies.” The text of the bill explains that it repeals the 1930s protection legislation known as the Glatt-Spiegel Act. 1

The problem with the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, as Lauren Stefen of the Houston Chronicle explained, was that: “The new law blurred the lines among financial institutions, allowing them to dabble in home lending, stockbrokering, wealth management, investment banking, commodities trading, insurance and a slew of other activities that swirled into the miasma from which the current crisis grew.” 2

Bill Clinton signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, his Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin approved it (Rubin is now chairman of the executive committee of Citigroup), and three Republicans (Phil Gramm, James Leach and Tom Bliley, a former Virginia congressman) wrote it.


http://www.starexponent.com/cse/news/opinion/columnists/article/a_campaign_slogan_for_voters/21560/

So, both "sides" are culpable. Do remember this "do nothing congress" that has been run by the Dems for 18 months has not been able to get anything through congress. They are constantly being vetoed. And the Dems do not really have the majority as it is. Lieberman isnt a Dem anymore.

As it turns out, neither party has been on our - the people's - side for a long time. Keep playing the partisan game. How's that workin for ya?



OP, to answer your question... Shopping is an American past time. As a culture we consume, consume, consume.. After 9-11 w told us to go out and shop.

Honestly, since NAFTA we have been outsourcing all our jobs. So, to keep the economy going and growing, it was needed for American's to buy on credit.

Im just grateful I dont play that game. Except for student loans, Im good. I dont care for stuff for the most part. It is all just clutter.

As the middle class in the US was shrinking it was getting a lot harder for many to buy homes. They honestly just dont have the income. So, when they were able to qualify, I think a lot of people think that that means that they can afford it. Im sure many of the people who recieved these sub-prime loans truely did not understand them. ( I have never been a big proponent on the intelligence of most Americans) People were being lured into refinancing to take advantage of their equity and pay off their credit cards.

The truth is that if the banks had to actually worry about the loans being repaid (instead of bundling them up and selling them off) they would have scrutinized them more carefully (both the borrowers and the terms of the loans). As it was though, they were being rewarded for making unsafe loans.
That and the materialism of so many Americans (come on- who really needs an SUV?) which was constantly being reinforced and courted and you have a huge mess.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 161 (view)
 
Over for Mccain?
Posted: 10/10/2008 9:53:45 AM

[pg. 261]:" Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."



YEAH gleebee! Thank you!
I am so tired of the ignorant fear mongering I could PUKE!

STOP THE ANGRY WITH PITCH FORK MOB MENTALITY! We arent buying it.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 159 (view)
 
Over for Mccain?
Posted: 10/10/2008 9:15:38 AM

And about McCain: When he began to resort to simply lying about his opponent, and when he said nothing to quell the mob mentality of his supporters, and when his ads in two states are 100% negative, he has not only lost the race, he has lost some vital part of what made him a decent human being.


Both McCain and Palin are showing their stripes rightnow and it is not a pretty sight.
Not only do I think that they would not be good leader, I dont think that they are good people. And that is truely saying a lot.

Anyone who is buying this Ayers thing is a moron. It is quite obvious what they are doing. Saying that he is "paling around" with Ayers is dishonest at best. And they do know it. They just dont think that their supporters are intellignet enough to know it. So what does that say about what they think about Americans? They think Americans are stupid, gullible, simple, petty and just plain mean spirited.

Apparently they are correct about their supporters only.

And I will state again, the reason that they run exit polls it to a. predict the outcome and b. to watch for ELECTION FRAUD. The reason in the last 2 elections that they polls were off as much as they were is because THERE WAS RAMPANT FRAUD AND A STOLEN ELECTION.

Now, there is plenty of evidence to back this up. The main stream media just never covers it. Other countries did cover it and think our democracy is a farce.
Now, you can say I am whining all you want. But I question severely your patriotism if you do not care if there was a fix on the election just because "your side" won. Shame on you!
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 13 (view)
 
ACORN busted in Nevada
Posted: 10/8/2008 2:29:20 PM
Looks to me like it was employees getting out of doing their work by putting in false registrations. ACORN apparently has been cooperating by weeding through them and not sending in the "bad" ones, or at least trying to.

Im trying to figure out where this big fraud is. These minimum wage workers trying not to get fired. It doesnt seem like anybody was going to be voting fraudulently. It does sound from the story that the AG was putting on a bit of a show to show they are tough on fraud.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 120 (view)
 
Over for Mccain?
Posted: 10/8/2008 11:08:37 AM
First of all, let's address the problem with the polls, especially the exit polls.
Exit polls are conducted to a. predict the results and b. to watch for ballot fraud. The reason why the polls were off so much in the last 2 elections was because of FRAUD. There is a great ( and extremely depressing) book by Greg Pallast, (American writer for the BBC) The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, which covers this, especially the state of FL and what really happened. The rest of the world knows, just the US media refused to cover it. In a recount by the University of Chicago it is clear that Gore won FL. He won despite the 50,000 people who were ILLEGALLY cleansed from the voter rolls by Jeb Bush AGAINST A COURT INJUNCTION!
The 2004 election was extremely fishy! What happened in Ohio? The link below gives you a bit of a clue.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/04/25/76

In the Ukrain, their election results were off from the exit polls and the people revolted and got a second election. Their results were not even off as far as ours was! When the exit polls are off, the media here tries to explain it with these ridiculous scenarios. The reason they are off is the same reason for using them, FRAUD and A STOLEN ELECTION.

Now, I know a bunch of you are giong to claim that the left is just whining becuase they lost and.........blah, blah, blah...

I am so tired of this winning at any cost mentality. Dont you even care if your Democracy is gone and the just rig your elections. If this whole election process is just a farce and they already know who is going to win because they make the voting machines is it OK as long as "your guy" wins? Is that patriotic?
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 30 (view)
 
Hype: The Obama effect
Posted: 10/6/2008 9:46:44 AM

2008 is the death of journalism.


Just by quoting Hannity you lose all credibility. In 1984 170 companies owned the media. Nowit is 5. 5 I tell you and not one of them is liberal. CNNis moderate conservative. There was absolutely nothing wrong withthe fairness doctrine.
The reasone why the likes of Rush and Hannity do not like it is that they would not be able to justspout out with the hateful, viscious, and dishonest diatribe.
In case you have not been paying attention, journalism is pretty much already dead. If it werent for people like Amy Goodman they could just nail the coffin closed.

What Rush, O'Reilly and Hannity do is not journalism.

You did not address my post. (Just in case you missed something.)
The people that you keep quoting- or at least desperately trying to get anyone to view their video- are the same people who put out the swiftboat lies.
They are spewing lies in order to effect an election and they are hoping the the people who watch it are ignorant enough to fall for it AGAIN.
They pulled this against Kerry and it worked. They have been proven to be blatantly and intentionally dishonest.

The fairness doctrine does not go against freedon of speech!
It is obvious now that you are a viewer of Fox. So, maybe all hope is lost, but you are young so maybe your logic skills arent completely eroded yet. So.....

With the huge consolidation of the media in the last 20 years.... He who controls the media controls what you think. If they keep claiming over and over again that it is liberal you will start to believe the lie. The media is not liberal. Neither is Obama. You have not heard from a liberal in so long that you think that CNN is liberal. Liberals basically hate CNN.

All that the farness doctrine will do is hold them to a little more honesty.

Iknow that when anybody brings up any social policy that would actually help the average person, namely you, the media starts yelling about socialism. Here is the funny part for me (Im laughing so hard I am in tears, and not in a good way) We will be like countries in Europe paying huge tax rates. There is no other way. We have run up this insane debt on wars and funding the wealthy. The only thing is the average American will have absolutely nothing to show for it.

And your claim that the average "rich" person did nt start rich is completely false. The American dream is all but dead. Social climbing is very rare- except for the climbing down the ladder from the middle class that so many Americans are doing.

The rich are becoming richer and the poor poorer. Getting rid of the inheritance tax- which was only going to effect estates over 10 million and the GOP still said no, is a way of creating a PERMANENT aristocracy- one that you will have no part of. Hell, we just gave them- that is the average American- 700 billion so that the rich wouldnt go under.

Seems when they make a mistake they dont have to pay for it. you do. That money could have gone to provide medical care for every American. Oh, but that would be bad.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 17 (view)
 
Hype: The Obama effect
Posted: 10/2/2008 3:24:37 PM

Sure Kerry was a vet with 3 unearned purple hearts, doesn't make him much more qualified(to be honest though maybe a little, afterall he would have a better idea of what the troops were going through).


The people who served with Kerry say he deserved every award! The people who say he didnt (and have been proven false) were the "swiftboaters" , who happen to be the same group who put out the video you keep refering to.


I think that McCain truly will lower taxes, because the hope is that lower taxes will actually result in the government making more money. If I thought that lowering taxes would somehow hurt the economy(as well as how much money the government makes), then I would be much more likely to vote for Obama. Unfortunately, I believe that Obama doesn't know what he is talking about when it comes to the economy.


Actually, it is McCain (and he has said it) who does not understand the economy. When w was putting through his tax cuts for the rich, McCain was against it. Now he is all for it. This is more of trickle down economics. Which does not work.
Are you not paying attention to what is going on with the economy?
It seems the only thing that the rich will trickle down on the rest of the country is their debt. And it is pouring- not trickling.

Lowering taxes on the lower and middle class should help the economy. unfortuantely what they have done is lower the taxes on the uber wealthy- the top 1% gets most of it. Yet these are the same people (GOP) who spend, spend, spend you tax dollars and created this record deficit.

On top of that the wealth bifurcation has been growing at an alarming rate. Bush's tax breaks did not gown the econmy. The deregulation did, made the wealthy even more money and is tanking our entire enconmy. The good news is that your children will get to pay for it.

Word to the wise, do not believe what the conservative pundits are telling you. We have had a GOP WH for the last 8 years and a GOP Congress for 10 of 12. Yet they try and blame this fiasco (and that is a euphemism) on the Dems. Give me a break.

These guys would see a car accident and blame the guy in the back seat.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 63 (view)
 
Over for Mccain?
Posted: 10/2/2008 12:43:35 PM

It depends, if he can make the country see the true Obama(very scary, I recommended everyone watch: "Hype: The Obama Effect") then he has a chance.


Are you really basing your entire judgement on that?
You think Palin is a good pick- so you belong to the 25% who think that. Isnt that the same % of people who think w is doing a bang up job?
McCain's people are all neo-con PNAC people. He is just the current puppet for them to continue their agenda. have you been around for the last 8 years?
McCain is just more of that. He is being run by the same people.
They cheated him out of the WH in 2000. They are just letting him be their shill now.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 21 (view)
 
Police Pay Rise
Posted: 10/1/2008 11:49:39 AM
I am going to throw in some facts there for anyone who cares. I think this is a huge problem honeslty that we arent talking about.

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/prison.htm

According to the American Corrections Association, the average daily cost per state prison inmate per day in the US is $67.55. State prisons held 249,400 inmates for drug offenses in 2006. That means it cost states approximately $16,846,970 per day to imprison drug offenders, or $6,149,144,050 per year.

"During 2006 the total Federal, State, and local adult correctional population — incarcerated or in the community - grew by 159,500 persons to over 7.2 million. The growth of 2.3% during the year was about the same as the average annual increase in the correctional population since 1995 (2.5%). About 3.2% of the U.S. adult population, or 1 in every 31 adults, were incarcerated or on probation or parole at yearend 2006."

"The United States has the highest prison population rate in the world, some 738 per 100,000 of the national population, followed by Russia (611), St Kitts & Nevis (547), U.S. Virgin Is. (521), Turkmenistan (c.489), Belize (487), Cuba (c.487), Palau (478), British Virgin Is. (464), Bermuda (463), Bahamas (462), Cayman Is. (453), American Samoa (446), Belarus (426) and Dominica (419).
"However, more than three fifths of countries (61%) have rates below 150 per 100,000. (The rate in England and Wales - 148 per 100,000 of the national population - is above the mid-point in the World List.)"

"More than 9.25 million people are held in penal institutions throughout the world, mostly as pre-trial detainees (remand prisoners) or as sentenced prisoners. Almost half of these are in the United States (2.19m), China (1.55m plus pretrial detainees and prisoners in 'administrative detention') or Russia (0.87m)."
According to the US Census Bureau, the population of the US represents 4.6% of the world's total population (291,450,886 out of a total 6,303,683,217).

The U.S. nonviolent prisoner population is larger than the combined populations of Wyoming and Alaska.

States spent $42.89 billion on Corrections in 2005 alone. To compare, states only spent $24.69 billion on public assistance.

Since the enactment of mandatory minimum sentencing for drug users, the Federal Bureau of Prisons budget has increased by 1,954%. Its budget jumped from $220 million in 1986 to more than $4.3 billion in 2001.

California state government expenditures on prisons increased 30% from 1987 to 1995, while spending on higher education decreased by 18%.

"In 2003 the United States spent a record $185 billion for police protection, corrections, and judicial and legal activities. Expenditures for operating the Nation's justice system increased from almost $36 billion in 1982 to over $185 billion in 2003, an increase of 418%.

We have gone from 139 per 100,00 pop. to 501 per 100,000 adults.

Since 1982 we have increased the expenditures for police 396%, corrections by 619% and judicial by 474%
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 20 (view)
 
Police Pay Rise
Posted: 10/1/2008 11:16:09 AM

Stella im' normally the liberal here, but frankly when it comes to being tough with criminals I'm not too liberal. I realize our justice system has many flaws, usually based on race and income. However, there are notorious killers and people who have abosolutely no conscience at all when it comes to killing. I read a lot of books on criminal psychology and about serial killers, and murderers. Most have no remorse at all.


And here is the difference.
By all means, get the murderers and rapists off the streets.
STOP LOCKING UP THE POT HEADS! You have prison over crowding because you are locking up way too many people for victimless and non-violent crimes. IT IS VERY COSTLY! It destroys people's lives.
We would all agree that we want police to addess violent crime. It just seems there are a lot of situation like the one you described with your friend. Wolves, not sheep dogs anymore.


I think why you see smaller numbers of inmates in overseas prisons is due to the fact there are many countries who do employ eye for an eye tactics in their laws (look at Iraq in the past, for example, piss Saddam off, no trial no jury--just a bullet in the head and a ticket to a mass burial plot), not to mention many prisons in many countries aren't fit for dogs to live in. Prisoners have little or no rights like they do here in America and in some cases are beaten daily, starved half to death and treated cruelly. It really doesn make people think a bit more before they commit crimes.


We are talking about Europe here.
The eye for an eye thing is barbaric. And is not the reason why Europe does not have the insane prison situation and crime situation we have here. Many countries there take a much more intelligent approach to it. They educate, they job train, drug rehab programs that actually work.
In the US there is this corporal disciplinarian father approach. It is not working. From our standards we would say places like Denamrk and Norway are very soft on the "offenders" but they are looking at how to get these people OUT of the system and to become productive in their society. "Let's make tax payers out of them".

We've privatized the prisons, so now it is profit based. Our education system is falling apart while we keep building new prisons.

The 3 strikes law, wow does California regret that one. They are having to outsource their prison population to other states they are so over-crowded with non-violent people. You have people who are in for life for stealing a bike. And it is costing the tax payers billions.

What I dont understand is why people think it is better to spend money to incarcerate someone than it is to educate them, or feed them.

Locking all these people away is not the answer if you are not going to start addressing the cause. These is a lot of hopelessness out there. There is a lot of anger. I am noticing it on here and it scares me in a way. So much anger in the people in the US.
We need to find out how to address it. What we are doing now is not working.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 47 (view)
 
What the heck????
Posted: 9/30/2008 4:25:41 PM

Well later on this afternoon ,I get an email from him telling me not to contact him, call him, email him, nothing-- he wont answer his phone, he will delete the email and the voicemail!! I called him 3 times between Friday and Sunday.and emailed him once, thats it!!! He also says that he did some checking on me and I wasnt truthful with him about my past!! What? I have no past..I have no earthly idea what he is talking about!! Thats it..He doesnt want to explain to me what he supposedly found..To say the least, I'm upset by this!! Just goes to show his character..I am better off without him..I'm not broken hearted..But what I am upset about is he accused me of something that I have no idea what it is!!!


He is telling you exactly what he is guilty of.
This is not normal behavior. This is the behavior of a sociopath.

He was trying to deflect the responsibility onto you sending you right into the tizzy you were in. "What did I do wrong?"

I dont know if the man was married or just really likes playing games. He was definitely misrepresenting himself though.
Good for you that you got away.
Honestly, the deflection part is the most disturbing and dangerous. I have seen it before. If someone like that gets his hooks into you it can be very damaging. It is extremely abusive. Everything is always your fault, up is down, yes is no. Until someone is punching you and you are apologizing for getting in the way of their fist.

That behavior is classic for a narcisistic personality disorder.

Be greatful he didnt meet you!
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 16 (view)
 
Police Pay Rise
Posted: 9/30/2008 3:31:53 PM
There is a recent case with Troy Davis in Georgia who was convicted of killing a police officer. Afterwards most of the witnesses recanted and said they were coerced by the police. The state was going to execute him any way and were refusing to give him clemency until Jimmy Carter stepped in.


Also, the case of Francis Newton who was convicted of killing her husband and children. Horrible case!
Her lawyer had never won a murder case. He even feel alseep at her trial. The evidence against her was paper thin.
The President of the American Bar Assoc. even called for the stay of her execution. Texas murdered her anyway. That case was heartbreaking. The police went after her only. Even though she told them who probably did it. She was poor and got a completely inept lawyer. Texas has murdered many innocent individuals.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Police Pay Rise
Posted: 9/30/2008 12:47:31 PM
We will definitely agree about the legalization of maijuana. Glad to see you arent in the POT IS AN EVIL GATEWAY DRUG CROWD!

Past that, you can stop being condescending!

The point is with prison overpopulation, rapists get set free early. Many styates have been working at finding ways around minimum sentencing because it is bankrupting them.

The death penalty and your other barbaric ideas do not work! What is it with the blood thirsty - put them in front of a firing squad crowd?
It is ridiculously costly, it does not deter crime in any way- IT REALLY DOESNT! It is unfairly administered (poor and black higher proportions) and innocent people do get killed.
Our crminal justice system is broken- before someone starts claiming we have the best in the world - WE DONT! Over 90% of all cases are plea bargained out.
You are now presumed guilty until proven innocent. Most people cannot afford a legal defense so they are forced to use a public defender, who is over worked and they push for plea bargains.
Innocent people plead to guilty charges all the time in order to avoid the consequences.
Actually, I have been wondering what percent of that 6% that actually go to trial are found not guilty.

The truth is, in the United States arresting people and throwing them in cages, or fining them and making them pay huge fees for parole/probation has become a huge industry. And it is an industry that has been praying for the most part on the poor.
Not becuase they are necessarily the most guilty (how much white collar crime goes on) but because they are the most vulnerable. The whole cycle keeps em poor.

Also, watch for the sting opperations. They just had one in the next town over. Put it just inside a construction zone because the fines are double. Then they had these people repeatedly approach the cross walks and just popped people left and right. A couple of people said they were just pulled over so that the police could look at their insurace. (LET ME SEE YOUR PAPERS) Apparently they needed to make some more money and were sent out to drum up business.

Pay attention to the commercials now saying you could get a career in criminal justice.
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 11 (view)
 
Police Pay Rise
Posted: 9/30/2008 11:35:05 AM
We just need fewer of them.
We have 5% of the population and 25% of the people who are incarcerated on the planet. Please get that.

The performance of the Police at the RNC showed straight up- we are in a police state. Tell me all about how I need them. Go for it. The police are not out there protecting and serving anymore. They are no longer the sheep dogs, they are the wolves.

Many countries in Europe look at ways to lower the crime rate or to actually rehabilitate the offenders. In the US we are just interested in throwing people in jail. We think that works. It doesnt work. Our prisn rates have gone up dramatically and yet our crime rates are pretty much the same. Do we all just think that Americans are worse people than the rest of the world? Is that why we are so busy locking people away in this country and have made it a huge industry- caging up people?
What we do not understand is how this is bankrupting our states and destroying lives - which is not in the best interest of the country.

As far as needing them.... I have had a few friends who have not been able to get the cops to show up when they are needed, making a turn without putting on your turn signal though...........

Serve and protect.....not been my experience! Not at all!

Step outta line, the man comes and takes you away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 stella blue
Joined: 7/2/2007
Msg: 37 (view)
 
Bailout a very interesting perspective
Posted: 9/26/2008 1:04:56 PM

To the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate:

As economists, we want to express to Congress our great concern for the plan proposed by Treasury Secretary Paulson to deal with the financial crisis. We are well aware of the difficulty of the current financial situation and we agree with the need for bold action to ensure that the financial system continues to function. We see three fatal pitfalls in the currently proposed plan:

1) Its fairness. The plan is a subsidy to investors at taxpayers’ expense. Investors who took risks to earn profits must also bear the losses. Not every business failure carries systemic risk. The government can ensure a well-functioning financial industry, able to make new loans to creditworthy borrowers, without bailing out particular investors and institutions whose choices proved unwise.

2) Its ambiguity. Neither the mission of the new agency nor its oversight are clear. If taxpayers are to buy illiquid and opaque assets from troubled sellers, the terms, occasions, and methods of such purchases must be crystal clear ahead of time and carefully monitored afterwards.

3) Its long-term effects. If the plan is enacted, its effects will be with us for a generation. For all their recent troubles, America's dynamic and innovative private capital markets have brought the nation unparalleled prosperity. Fundamentally weakening those markets in order to calm short-run disruptions is desperately short-sighted.

For these reasons we ask Congress not to rush, to hold appropriate hearings, and to carefully consider the right course of action, and to wisely determine the future of the financial industry and the U.S. economy for years to come.


http://faculty.chicagogsb.edu/john.cochrane/research/Papers/mortgage_protest.htm

The link contains quite a long list of economists who signed this.
This stampede to give away the country is by the same people who stampeded us into attacking Iraq. They are just threatening a different mushroom cloud.

Does this all seem familiar, or what?
 
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