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 Author Thread: What would you invent?
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 40 (view)
 
What would you invent?
Posted: 8/26/2006 11:35:57 AM

Detachable Penis:Great one hit wonder song from the 90's.I forget the bands name though.Think i'll pull the guitar out in awhile and play the chords to it.


Umm...I don't think so. It was by Primus, and they are anything but one hit wonders. Damned blue collar tweakers...


I would invent sensors for your car that could tell how close you were to something, and steer for you. It could tell where a turn is on the road, and which angle the the car needs to turn to avoid over or under steering. It would brake automatically, and would avoid rear ending. If the sensors broke, your could turn the program off and steer yourself, but otherwise you could progam coordinates, and hop in and the car would take you where you wanted to go, painlessley. Could you imagine if there were such an invention and there was no more road rage?
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
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What's the WORST movie you've EVER seen?
Posted: 8/23/2006 4:21:39 PM
Mr. and Mrs. Smith was pathetically sorry. Two pretty people shooting guns. I could have gone a million places with it.

My own Private Idaho. Dumb. Just Dumb.

The remake of The Stepford Wives. That movie was NOT meant to be a comedy.

I know I went to the theatre to see a couple movies that I walked out on, they were so dumb, but I can't remember what they are now. This list could get quite long...
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
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What would you invent?
Posted: 8/23/2006 4:08:26 PM

How about a detachable penis?


If you ever listened to the song, you may think differently...what if you LOST your detachable penis?


I would invent a voice activated device that would surf the internet based on what I said, rather than what I typed. Sometimes I hate typing, and just want to look at stuff, like when I shop online. I hate having to type or retype search words, I just want to say, "Look for (fill in the blank)" and then choose what I want out of the selection. That would be very cool.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
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need some opinions
Posted: 8/22/2006 1:01:45 PM
Put it where you can cover it up when you want. You don't want to go to a job interview with something on your forearm, or neck or anywhere else. You'll think it rocks for a couple years, then you'll wish otherwise. I have one on my stomach, and I like it alot, but sometimes I don't want it showing when I'm wearing my bathing suit. I don't like people asking me what it says (it's a name of a lost loved one) and who the person is, and who they are in relation to me, etc. I got that one for myself, not really to show off like the butterflies on my back. (I have seven there, about the size of a nickel each)

Don't put it on the small of your back as ALL women do that now, it seems. You'll be like every other one. If you want it on your back, I would suggest higher, like in between your shoulder blades. No arms, if you are thinking of your shoulder, do it on the back and not the front. Ankles can't be covered easily, especially in the summertime.

The bottom line is where ever you put it, make it so that it can be inconspicuous. You never know if a freind will be getting married, or someone dies, a job interview, nice get together w/ friends at a nicer restaurant, etc. And when you decide to show it off, make sure that the clothes that you wear to accomodate your showing doesn't leave people knowing what color your pubic hair is, and such...you get it.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
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Women who can't walk in High Heels
Posted: 8/22/2006 12:53:21 PM
I bought a pair with about a 2 inch heel with pointy toes. Now THOSE things make me laugh! I cannot walk in a pointy toed shoe, because I have to position my feet in such a way that when I step forward the toe doesn't drag the ground. I have to walk like a duck, with my toes pointed outwards. Those things suck. I bought a great pair from Talbots, so I know they were well made, butI just can't get the hang of them. Some of the points are down right deadly!

Heels, I can walk in any heel. It may take a minute to find my balance, but it's just on foot in front of the other, with me. I don't like to wear shoes with higher heels because I'm so short and I've gotten cramps before, but if it's necessary, I will.

I think women should walk around in their shoe for an hour in the store before buying them. And they should take their best girlfriend (you know, the one that will tell you when you look fat) so they know if they can really get away with a heel like that.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
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Other Ethnicity...?
Posted: 8/22/2006 12:43:41 PM
^^^ He would be a Music Man...

(That's probably a LAME joke that five people will get...)
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
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What would you invent?
Posted: 8/22/2006 9:38:06 AM
I think of all kinds of things that would make cool inventions, then sometimes I see the commercial for them on TV. (dammit, they cheated me!)

If I could invent one thing that I would use all the time it would be a water warmer device. It would be a device that is water tight that I can put in my bathtub to keep the water at the same temperature, so I didn't have to keep filling it up when the water goes cold. In my head ot would look similar to a regular heating pad, maybe it's something you would lean against, or have suction cups that stuck to the side of the tub, but as I said it would be water sealed, so I didn't get shocked.

What would you invent?
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
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Another Scam...of blatant extortion!
Posted: 8/22/2006 9:34:46 AM
Wow, this one is different. I've seen alot of them from donating for causes, to claiming the fortune from some guy in Africa who has your last name to finding to lost kid.

Glad you posted that, I've never even thought of it.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
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Other Ethnicity...?
Posted: 8/22/2006 9:27:56 AM

Hmmm... Here is a question... could a white guy from south africa whom moved to the USA also be called "African American" ???


Charlise Theron is from South Africa...Really, look it up. She's a pretty white girl, too. But truly, by definition, she is African American.

My profile says I'm from Fallopia...what does that make me?
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
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planets and houses in astrology
Posted: 8/22/2006 9:24:55 AM
If you're not ready to buy it- and you should, it'll only cost you a total of a few dollars, try checking it out at your library. It truly is worth the read, and it's just so easy to follow.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
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planets and houses in astrology
Posted: 8/22/2006 9:22:52 AM
You need a book!

I have the only astrology book you'll ever need. It's called The Only Astrology Book You'll Ever Need. Look on Amazon.com, and you can find it used, this link is selling it on Amazon for $.90. That's right, ninety cents. You'll pay shipping of course, but you'll end up spending less than five bucks.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0812885066/sr=8-3/qid=1156263386/ref=pd_bbs_3/002-0922820-3163214?ie=UTF8

This book will teach you what a house is, what your house is, how to cast your chart, what your planets are and what they mean, your sun and moon signs, health tips, compatibility among other signs, patterns in your life, etc. This book I have found to be most accurate, I would say between 80-95% right. No book is 100%. Astrology is alot of fun, especially when you understand what it's telling you. There are things that you can really apply to your daily life. For example, I just DON'T get along with Taurus. But I'm Scorpio, and we are polarities. I'm also not well with Leos as a match. I know lots of each, and have dated them, and the book was pretty right on about how the relationship would turn out. It helped me understand my dad, who's a virgo, and the fact that dad just worries about everything. It's just his nature.

I have had a few Tarot readings and have found them vague. I know of other people who have had readings that really spooked them, that they thought were prety detailed, but I guess Tarot isn't my thing. But I really get astrology, and have found it to be vague on some parts but very specific on other issues. This book really breaks it down, like every sign rules a part of the body, chest, legs, throat, pubic, brain, etc. It tells you what you need to do to be especially careful to take care of yourself, and what you need to make sure you include in your diet.

This book also tells you the origin of each sign. How they came about, and why each are so special. I really advise you checking it out, and it's really worth the couple bucks you'd spend for it online, I promise you'll have fun reading it, and you'll learn quite a bit. It is easy to read and follow, not LONG pages of dribble that you have to decipher.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
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Have I got a case? What do I need to get together to prove my case?
Posted: 8/17/2006 9:22:42 AM

Yup... you are right.....you will sit back and wait and wait and wait......nothing will happen to the employer......and you are out of a job.


But the employer will be investigated and audited, fined and will recieve penalties from the results of the audit.

This is very interesting...
I got a letter from the insurance agent to do with COBRA, telling me my coverage would be cancelled on 9/1/06, due to my termination of employment. I got this yesterday, with a letter in the mailbox from the insurance company, and the insurance company says that the policy is cancelled (as of 6/30/06). To be sure, I called the insurance company again this morning, to find out that the policy will terminate on 9/1/06 like the insurance agent said, and the rep for the insurance company told me that the policy is still in cancel status as of the June date. Why would the agent say one thing, and ask for money for the COBRA, and the insurance company tell me another? Could the agent and the employer be in some sort of cahoots with each other?

This is VERY strange to me. I have never heard of anything like this. I can't wait to find out what the Labor Dept. says.

I spoke to en employee from there this morning. He told me that the owner paid the money to have the policy retroactive, and that he saw the owner do this. The employee I spoke with said that the owner told the electricians that he would pay to cover any claims that were filed in the time the policy was cancelled. BUT-if the owner paid for the policy to be retroactive, WHY would he offer to cover claims during the months that the policy was cancelled, all those claims would be covered by the insurance policy, had the owner indeed paid to have it retroactive-RIGHT? (Am I missing something here?)
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
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Have I got a case? What do I need to get together to prove my case?
Posted: 8/14/2006 9:02:32 PM
Well, here's the update, and I'm sorry it's taken me so long to do it. I've been entirely wrapped up in this.

I posted this thread on Thursday, 8/10. The next day was payroll, and I was the one to do it. (To clear up, I run the office when the girl who's supposed to do it, doesn't and she gets away with it because she and the owner are together. It is however her responsibility to pay the bills, something that I wouldn't have ever done.) I called the 800 number again to be sure of the information I got, and the woman told me again that the policy had been cancleed on 6/30/06. Shortly after I spoke with her five other employees called their representatives for the insurance company, and were told the same thing. I approached the owner with the information and he basically told me that what I was told was wrong, that he spoke to a person saying everything was fine, and we were all covered. I reminded him again that six of us were told we had no insurance, and I asked how I was suppoed to handle the deductions in our paychecks, and he again told me that I was more or less misinformed and to take the deductions from everyone's paychecks. He also told me to tell all the electricians that if they got a letter in the mail saying anything about the policy being cancelled, that it was a mistake on the part of the insurance company and to ignore it.

So I quit. I will not work for a place that not only takes my money from me like that, but lies to me about it, on top of that, I can't be worrying about whether or not they are paying the bills that they should be paying. Just last week I had a rep from the Workman's Comp calling looking for forms that the owner needed to send. She called like four times that week, asking him to mail or fax or anything, she really needed them.

I filed a claim with the state dept of labor. I want my money back. I got the letter from the insurance company today saying that the entire group was cancelled. He will be investigated, audited, fined and who knows what else after the investigation is over. He'll have to pay all the employees their money back too, unless he pays to have the policy retroactive, which I seriously doubt he will, because of how much it would cost. I'll give him the chance to be a stand-up guy and pay me what's coming to me. I may not have to hire an attorney, as the state will pick this up, my documentation can serve as evidence, I think I just sit back and wait now...

Revenge may be sweet for me, though. I can't tell you how hard it was to sit there on Friday, passing out paychecks to these guys and they're all happy they get to go home and be with the wife and kids for the weekend, gonna cash their checks and be gone, and they weren't the wiser. I couldn't risk telling everyone, starting a fire storm of shit, they never had a clue that there was a problem. They knew today, though. I got an email from one of them telling me that I should have been there for the excuses, that everyone knows why I quit.

This guy may get in some pretty big trouble over this, and I certainly hope he gets what's coming to him. These employees all have kids and wives, and have been paying for insurance that they haven't had in months. It will CERTAINLY be interesting how it all plays out. But all the employees now know.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
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Have I got a case? What do I need to get together to prove my case?
Posted: 8/10/2006 6:59:40 PM
This is a real doozey.

I run an office for an electrical contractor. Today, one of my electricians called me and told me that his wife took their baby to the doctor to get a check up and when they arrived, the mother was told that the policy was cancelled. I called the insurance agent, and she told me that the company lapsed in payment. I asked her for an amount, so I could approach my boss with it, and she told me she'd call me back. About a half hour later, she told me that it was three months, June, July and August.

I got to thinking that we're all paying for insurance and that it's not active? How could that be? I got into the accounting program and printed the register for my boss, the last payment IT shows was for May. When I approached my boss, he didn't beleive me at first. I showed him the register, I showed him the message from the insurance agent telling the months that were unpaid. I gave him the name and number of the lady he needed to talk to in HR about the policy. When I asked him about it later, he told me that he called and is waiting on them to call back. He told me to tell the electricians that if any of them got a letter in the mail, that it's just a mistake, and not to worry about it. That nothing's been cancelled.

When I got home, I called the 800 number on the back of the insurance card. I asjed the rep. if my policy had been cancelled and she said yes. I asked her when it was cancelled and she said June 30, 2006, because of non payment. I have been uncovered and paying for insurance for 7 weeks straight, and so have most of my electricians. I'm not sure what their individual premiums are. I know they're more than mine.

So.... I copied my paystubs, I will go in tomorrow and do payroll and confront my boss about how to handle the deductions in people's checks. ( I already know what I'm going ot hear.) While I print paychecks, I am going to print out the report for what the company has paid me since I've been there, so I can prove that those deductions were taken out. I am having the insurance company send me a statement telling me that the policy was cancelled on which date. What else do I need to prove my case? If he choses not to reimburse me, I will take him to small claims.

Also, what do I do about insurance now? There is Cobra law, but there has to be an active insurance policy....That's certainly one for me to mull over...

Anyway, thanks for the input. I need to be ready for this, because I'm not gonna get screwed.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
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Okay, what would you think if you saw a guy with an Iguana as a pet?
Posted: 8/5/2006 10:16:13 AM
My boyfriend has an iguana named Cookie. He is almost 5 1/2 feet long and eats butternut and acorn squash with turnip and mustard greens, green beans and grapes. He doens't eat broccoli or cauliflower because of the phosphorus content. Some things just aren't good for them. Cookie is probably around eight years old and has an entire room to himself. It is just terrible that some are kept in cages their whole lives. Cookie has a perch high in the room that he can easily climb up, he has a heating pad and lights on timers. One of Cookie's favorite things to do is sit on top of the computer monitor (where it's warm) and survery his territory. He is the King of the Perch. Cookie is house trained, going to the "bathroom" in a huge tray of water. When the water is cleaned, he likes to splash and play and swim in it.

When we dated, he told me he had a big lizard, I could see him on the webcam. I thought that was the lamest line in the owrld, untill I realized he was talking about an actual animal. If you would like to visit Cookie and see him live, via the internet, go visit

www.cookietheiguana.com

You can click on Cookies Webcams and Cookie has eight, where you can see him in various locations in the room. His lights go out around 8:00pm ET, so you won't see him after that and he eats in the afternoon. If you email Cookie, he will email you back. You can ask any question about iguanas and get an accurate responce. My boyfriend has owned MANY iguanas over the years, and is as knowledgebale about them to be called "professional." He gets asked questions about iguanas from all over the world, and Cookie is truly a happy lizard, unless he decided that he wants to be in a bad mood. (Cookie is always deciding, that's all he does is make decisions. Like Deciding if he wants to eat. Deciding is he wants to know you. Deciding if he wants to be on his perch, be in his tray.) Anyway, Iguanas are very cool animals, and should throughly be researched before owning one. They can be expensive and time consuming. It is really an underestimated serious commitment to own an iguana.

BTW, carnivals that let you win an iguana are just WRONG. Those people have no idea what owning an iguana means. The carnival people do not care for these animals the way they should, and these iguanas often break off their tails and get killed needlessly and senselessly. If a person truly cares about the animal, they would not play those games, so as not to encourage carnivals to have that game available. (I used to work carnival games and have seen WAY too many iguanas in gut piles on the pavement because the new pet owner has no idea what they're doing. The iguana gets scared and tried to escape, and the owner ends up hurting them trying to keep them. If the owner is able to make it home with the lizard, then the poor thing USUALLY ends up in a cage, in the laundry room or something like that, for the duration of it's life, eating only pellets from the pet store, and looking at nothing. A truly miserable experience.)

The bottom line is to own one, or to be friends with or be romantically involved with someone owning an iguana requires research on your part to find out how to accurately care for them. They are not dogs, they are much more complicated. If you get one and can accurately care for them, owning an iguana can be a great and fun experience.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
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Those of you who hate cats -- why?
Posted: 8/5/2006 9:53:17 AM
I have my Moo. Her picture is on my profile. The difference between me and alot of cat owners is I understand she is not a person, but a cat. Her brain is too smooth to think about complex situations, such as the reasoning behind trying to sharpen her claws on the oriental rug. (the very expensive oriental rug, at that.) Instead of my being accpeting, that that's what she wants to do, because of her need to scratch (as all cats need to scratch) she can use the scratcher or face the wrath of the squirt bottle.

She can decide if she wants to go outside or not, eather breakfast when I serve her or eat it later, she can decide to drink from the toilet or not. She is not given the opportunity to decide that the leather couch is a better place to sleep or scratch over her designated spots. Designated by me, of course.

My boyfriend is not a cat person. He doesn't dislike cats, he just doesn't love them. So, we've made compromises to accomodate each other. I feed her Fancy Feast for breakfast, rather than the generic can costing 11 cents. She can come and go from the house as she feels necessary, and can play with all the rattly mice she can. She can have catnip whenever she likes (which is when I decide she likes it, since she doesn't actually say, "can I get high now?"). She doesn't go into the bedroom as my boyfriend can't handle sleeping with her hair, she does not go onto the kitchen counters or tables where there is food being prepared.

Whoever says cats can't be trained views their cats as people. I have had cats all my life, and notice the plural implication there, catS. All cats are different, but they all react the same way to water. They hate it. When the cat does something you don't want them to, they get squirted. They learn to associate the squirt bottle with certain things. For example, we have a 5 1/2 foot iguana. (please go to www.cookietheiiguana.com to see Cookie live, via webcams.) When Cookie moves about in his room, and Moo stalks his door, she knows that she'll only get away with it for a short bit, and if she doesn't scat when we say, she gets squirted. She knows that she'll get it if she hops on the counter.

My boyfriend I think makes the mistake of thinking that she can process complex thoughts, such as vindictiveness. That maybe she scratches the carpet because she wants to piss him off. But her brain is too smooth, not enough bumps like people. All she really knows is that she can't do that, and she'll get squirted eventually.

Cats are not the problem, just like dogs are not the problem, but the people. Same thing with kids. Animals are like owning toddlers. You must pay attention to them, and you MUST rule their world, not the other way around. You are the boss. There is no in between. You are their world, and when the animal realizes that they are not the Alpha dog or cat, then they naturally submit. Just like toddlers. When you give the toddler the option to color the walls with crayons, they'll happily comply. But when you make the toddler understand who's boss, and familiarize them with specific consequences, such as a good paddling, then they ge that they aren't supposed to do that. People make that mistake often with their animals, because they don't want to hurt the feelings of the animal or the "self esteem" (remember that the brain of the animal is too smooth to understand what self esteem really is), thus relinquishing the aplha role, and the animal runs their life, rather than the other way around.

And my Moo is simply one of the best behaved animals I've ever had, because she knows who's boss, and she is rarely disciplined because of it. And please go visit Cookie's website, if you have children, your kids can email cookie and he will email them back. :)
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
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NY Tunnel plot FOILED
Posted: 7/20/2006 8:43:21 AM
Ruined. Doesn't that suck?
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
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I don't get what a podcast is.
Posted: 7/16/2006 6:06:37 PM
I'm relatively new to this iPod thing, I really like it alot and just got an adapter to play my music in my car. It's so much better than a cd and the radio. I have the iPod shuffle that I got free with my Camel Cash, so I can hold the little bugger in my hand while driving, and shuffle through all my songs till I find the one I want. I prefer that over flipping the button on my stereo, which only works half the time, anyway. But it's a TINY little thing, it only holds 512 mg of music. But it's enough for me, and besides, the price was right.

But what is a podcast, and what is the purpose? What I understand is it's a sortof radio show that you download into your iPod. But here is where my confusion lies.

1. Why would I go through the trouble downloading it, when I can just listen to the radio?

2. If I'm downlaoding it after it's out, then I missed the original show, and thus missed any elaboration that may have taken place after the show came out. I guess, I'm always one step behind. I don't think I like that. When do podcasts come out, so I can be among the first to download it?

3. How would I go about only listening to the most updated shows? iPods site says that it will put the podcasts into my iTunes automatically, but what if I only want to download the most current show? What if I only want a past show? What if I only want to listen to one thing, and not subscribe to every podcast in the particular category?

4. Do I have to hook up my iPod to my computer everyday if I want to download a daily show?

5. Will it remove my music from my iPod and update only the podcast list? Can I have both?

Anyway, as you can plainly see, I'm completely clueless. Please help, anyone. I don't want to go around trying to listen to these shows if I can listen to them on the regular radio, or if it screws with my settings in my iTunes, that I'm just now figuring out how to use. Thanks. :)
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
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What will Israel do?
Posted: 7/13/2006 6:06:32 AM

They've been kicked out of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and every other nation around there. The only place they have that someone WON'T kick them out is where they are; but then they want to kick the Jews out, so what choice do they have?


Great point.

Hezbollah had no business attacking Israel. It wasn't even their problem, it was Hamas'. They chose to get involved. I just read on Yahoo that Israel bombed the airport in Beirut.

Why wouldn't the USA get involved? I kind of see it like they're our special interest. Why wouldn't we protect that? Or, maybe troops won't be sent to ISrael, but we publicly support them, Bush backs Israels right to defend themeselves and why wouldn't these militants step up their attacks on our troops in Iraq?

Lebanon doesn't even have like a real standing army. Syria is more sophisticated. Israel can beat Lebanon, I think that their government will put up their white flag LONG before the militants in their country. But Lebanon didn't attack Israel, Hezbollah did. Israel is just putting the blame on Lebanon and trying to pressure that government to make Hezbollah stop.

As if Lebanon has control over Hezbollah. Hez will do what it wants to do, obviously. I'm just scared at the prosect of our involvement. We can't do this, we can't afford it in more ways than one. Physically we're not involved, but verbally we are.

Isn't this scary? I'm glad there are some optimists out there.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
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What will Israel do?
Posted: 7/12/2006 8:24:06 AM
They're fighting with Hamas and Palestine and NOW Hezbollah with Lebanon.

At what point do we, the USA get involved? Anyone who knows the history, knows that we practically carry Israel.

I don't know if we can do it, with the war in Iraq, dealing with North Korea, possibly Iran and now Israel battling with two countries. (At least Egypt is staying out of it.)

Do you think this will provoke Iran to attack Israel? Do you think it will provoke more attacks against our soldiers in Iraq from militants?

Boy this is scary- almost seems like we're on the verge of World War. (almost, don't want to stir up the conspiracy theorists...)

What do you make of this? I think that Israel has a right to have their little spit in the ocean sized piece of land, and that they need to let the other countries alone. I think that Hamas was wrong, but they don't think so, and Hezbollah is just sticking up for them. I don't know what I think of Hezbollah- Israel sure was kicking ass in Palestine, maybe too much.

I'm just unsure now, and I'm pretty nervous. What are the other thoughts?
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
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NY Tunnel plot FOILED
Posted: 7/10/2006 10:43:46 AM
Well, how about this for hyped up news- these guys DID have plans:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060709/ap_on_re_us/lebanon_new_york_tunnels_plot


Meanwhile, a senior Lebanese official said authorities there found maps and bombing plans on the personal computer of the suspect. Acting Interior Minister Ahmed Fatfat described the information found on Hammoud's computer as "very important."

"It contained maps and bombing plans that were being prepared," Fatfat said in a local television interview.

Lebanese security officials told The Associated Press that they obtained "important information" from Hammoud's computer and CDs seized from his office at the Lebanese International University, where he taught economics.

"This information helped the investigators make Hammoud confess to his role in plotting a terror act in America," one Lebanese official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.


Looks like these guys were more than just talking. I only highlighted part of this article, so please read the rest if you care.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
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NY Tunnel plot FOILED
Posted: 7/9/2006 2:55:29 PM
jshwa82-

Did you ever see the Dateline exclusive on online predators? It starts out with this group of people who pose as young teens in chatrooms and wait untill they're approached by an adult soliciting sex. The laws are very specific, the adults MUST initiate the sexual conversation or it doesn't hold up in court. Well, the supposed 13 or 14 y/o gets propped for sex by an adult, they agree to meet and the adult shows up at the house of the supposed kid. Only instead of meeting the kid, the adult meets the cop.

Now the adult didn't actually DO anything with the child. But the authorities have chatlogs, pictures that were exchanged, and the fact that the adult showed up for sex with the kid. They had the INTENTIONS of having sex with the kid, even though they didn't act on it. After that, the adult went to jail.

This is the same thing, only we're not talking about adults screwing children, we're talking about adults meaning harm to the country. That means you, too. They want you dead. And it doesn't matter at which phase they were caught, the fact is they were found out. You have certain freedoms in this country, and a big responsibility with those, or you lose your freedoms. But you can say about anything you want, worship who you want, go where you want, you can burn the flag, you can march in racist parades, you can go on hunger strike with Cindy Sheehan if you want. But you have NO RIGHTS to plan to harm the country or anyone in it.

Another great example would be the person who tries to hire the hitman to murder their spouse, only they're really talking to an FBI agent. Well, the spouse isn't really dead, they were only talking about it. YOU CAN'T DO THAT! Please don't go around saying that your rights are being taken away- you never had the right to intend harm on anyone in the first place.

Mont- you are such a pacifist. :) But seriously, with regards to the crack thing and illegally implanting suspects, there ARE a handful of stories like that, I don't mean to insinuate that there aren't, but there are ALOT more that aren't false. My ex boyfriend got caught with pot in his pocket. It was his pot, and he was dumb enough to have it on him in public. Well, he got caught, and you know what? He didn't need to be convicted to have been guilty. He WAS carrying it. He DID get caught. The only real reason he needed to go to court (aside from the burocratic proceedures he had to go through) was to get his punishment, which was like a big fine and probation or something. (It's been a while)

But that's what I meant by that. That sometimes people are just guilty. When there is question, then that's more what the trial is for, is to find out if they're guilty or not. But sometimes, they just are, anyway. Like my Ex. Like the person contracting to kill their spouse, like the would be child molester, like the guys the FBI just caught.

And I'm SURE that people have read by now that the Lebonese government got a confession out of a guy as of Saturday. They're still looking for more people.

And the FBI is great for being so dilegent in tracking these guys who want to hurt us.

I don't think this needs to be a non event. I don't think it's terribly spectacular, but it is a good deal. For every one of these terrorists that are caught, that's one less bad thing that can happen. I think that complacency is the reason why people 'poo poo' thse stories as not big deals. There are people who want to hurt us, all of us, and they're not afraid to wage their war on us at home. The FBI, I think is only preventing the inevitable, but that's gonna have to be okay, because they can't be perfect. But they did a good job here.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 24 (view)
 
NY Tunnel plot FOILED
Posted: 7/7/2006 8:33:05 PM

You know what ? Sometimes "ghetto gangsters" with crack on them are simply black men that have had crack planted on them by police officers.


Come on, you're joking.

In further news, three guys have been arrested, one made a confession and five guys are still being searched for.

Even more interesting is that this is said to have been a leak, that the FBI has continued investigations, and some may be compromised due to the fact that the news is out, and suspected terrorists are being more aware of who may be watching.

I think the FBI is doing a great job with this.

It just amazes me that some people just can't admit it, but need to be negative. It's beyond some to say, "Yea, you did a good job. Thanks for at least doing what we're paying you for."
But they do it for the people that can't and/or won't say thanks. And for those that don't have a better arguement than 'they're taking away our rights'. We all know someone who knows someone who's been affected negatively, but none of us really knows someone, right?

At least for the short term, even if it's a day or two, the FBI deserves some recognition for catching guys who meant to do harm to us. And some encouragement to keep up the good work.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 9 (view)
 
NY Tunnel plot FOILED
Posted: 7/7/2006 10:57:02 AM
This thread is NOT about:

1. President Bush
2. The war in Iraq
3. The troops coming home

This thread is about the great job the FBI did in busting these guys.

These guys ARE NOT US citizens, not entitled to any consititutional protection.

These guys meant harm for this country.

These guys were caught because the FBI monitored their conversations in chatrooms- HOWEVER if they caught them because of phone conversations or money transfers, that's good too, because THEY WERE CAUGHT.

Doesn't anyone get that these people MEAN YOU HARM? The mean to KILL you.

I'm not surprised by the EXTREME leftist agenda to try to take away from the events and say, "Well, what about Bush's illegal wiretapping? What about the troops, what about the rights of the guys caught, what about Gitmo...?"

Gimme a break. If you can't see that what the FBI did is a GOOD thing, then you'll be blind forever.

Start ANOTHER thread for the Bush Bash, Fox news, ACLU (Who supports the rights of convicted sexual predators, baby rapers-go look THAT one up if you don't beleive it), and all the other displeasing stuff you want to talk about.

This thread is to support the actions of the FBI for catching these guys.

If you care to disagree with the FBI, please post here as well, but don't bring Bush into it. I'm so tired of hearing about how everything is Bush's fault and some great threads have been completely ruined because people are so full of hate for Bush. This thread isn't about Bush, start another for that.

If you disagree with the FBI, have a good reason. The fact that these guys haven't been proven guilty in a court of law doesn't mean anything at this point. Ghetto gangsters who are busted with crack rocks in their pockets are guilty of possession, even before they go to court- they had it on their person! How are we gonna say that they are innocent of possession of crack, when they had it on their person? Same thing here- the FBI has monitored these people for EIGHT WHOLE MONTHS, and know for fact that they were plotting to bomb the tunnels.

The FBI rocks, and that's all there is to it. These actions should reflect positive praise, I would think. Anyone not willing to praise the FBI for a job well done IMO isn't awake. And you know what? The FBI isn't done. Who knows WHO they're investigating RIGHT NOW as I'm typing this, trying to stop people from plotting to harm this country and the people in it. That means you...
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 1 (view)
 
NY Tunnel plot FOILED
Posted: 7/7/2006 7:39:36 AM
The FBI can just rock on.

For those that don't advocate monitoring these people, well bad things happen when you aren't paying attention!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060707/ap_on_re_us/new_york_tunnels_plot

Now I know for a FACT that the FBI couldn't care less about my conversations to my folks back home in Oklahoma. This is who they're targeting: People who mean harm to our country and the people in it.

I'm absolutely clueless as to why anyone would NOT support these programs, because they catch these bad guys. These guys were monitored for 8 whole months, and they got them. I'm ALL for the FBI monitoring who ever, because I'M NOT the target audience, THEY ARE.

These guys will go to hell though.

I'm so mad at the same time- these people just WANT to hurt this country! If they hate us so much, they need to LEAVE. I would be MORE than willing to help pay for plane tickets to get them the hell out of here. I don't care that they don't agree with our politics, I do care that they mean to harm people in a vicious and violent manner. Makes me so angry. I'm so glad they were caught, before anyone was hurt.

NYC belongs to everyone. The people around this area really get that, and unfortunately people who haven't ever visited don't. But NYC is everyone's place. It's not even like a place but a great friend you want to visit. If you can't, just knowing that it's there is comforting. It's the coolest place, unlike anything else on the planet. NYC is the ONLY place that you can have different religions, races, sexual orientations, national origins, etc. in the same place and everyone gets along just fine. No one's plotting to blow up Little Italy or Chinatown. No one cares about the Village or Park Avenue people.

These terrorist guys want to take it away and kill the people in it! I'm just sick that they're here, in our country, plotting against Americans. I don't care about who I agree with in politics, religion, or whatever, and it's fine when we disagree. But the one thing we all have in common is that we're Americans. And these freaks want to hurt us. I don't wish harm on anyone of my fellow countrymen, even when I'm so mad at them.

So ROCK ON FBI! Good job! Go catch some more bad guys. Fukers.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 88 (view)
 
Switzerland decries Gaza campaign
Posted: 7/5/2006 5:11:14 PM

Don't care much about Islam, even less about Judaism,


So why'd you feel the need to comment? I mean as little as you care, you probably know less (because if you cared, you'd pay more attention) about Islam and Judaism. That's what the ENTIRE conflict is about between Israel and the middle east. But you wouldn't know that. You really told people they were wrong. But then again, you excuse suicide bombings.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 29 (view)
 
Air America says Experts Say U.S. Losing ‘War on Terror’
Posted: 7/5/2006 6:28:39 AM
Vivd- that's a great link, quite frankly I'm surprised you posted it. From your original post, it sounded as if you advocate for no border security. And if you DO advocate for no border security, you ARE insane. But based on the link you posted, I don't think that's the case.

Bush IS INSANE for not wanting to protect the nation.(what's wrong with him for not wanting to SEAL our borders, in light of everything going on???) In my opinion the reason the Canadian border isn't better protected is because of the invasion via the Mexican border. We don't have a massive exodus of Canadians trying to come here, they're just happy at home. Instead we have all kinds of people coming in from Mexico and Central America to get here.

I absolutely think our borders should be protected, both the north and south borders. I think that any person willing to just leave their doors to their house unlocked can't be too angry when they get robbed. Had they only locked their doors, it would have been much harder for the person breaking in. Same thing with our borders, only on a MUCH bigger scale.

With regard to this war on terror, I don't want to say we're losing. Unlike Air America who's whole agenda is to bash the current administration and put forth NO constructive ideas for how to get a better grip on current events, I would rather be supportive. I don't want my country to lose out to the people who blow themselves up for Allah. I want to see Iraq a happier place for those people. I want to see their troops be able to handle their own troubles, because we trained them well enough to do so.

I will not bash America, unlike Air America. I won't bash the administration, even though I disagree with about 90% of what they stand for. I will disagree, but I won't call names like I'm five. Air America's whole agenda is to keep people from being patriotic, by calling people racist, zionistic, nazi, uneducated, ignorant, right wing nut, etc. They give america a terrible name, they don't want to stand up for what they believe in-which is nothing- they only want to tell people what they can't do.

And I don't care about air America's statistics, I don't care about their "experts", I don't care that they don't support this country, I DO care that they continually make America out to be such a terrible place to be.

Note to Air America: Try being positive, try being constructive, try coming up with an idea to make America better, try advocating VOTING, expecially among young people, try changing your whole approach.

No one listens to Air America because their whole message is America is bad, Bush is an idiot and we're losing the war because Bush started it, and it's all Bush's fault. I don't listen to NPR much, but at least they have better ideas (even if they are very left as well), and a MUCH MUCH bigger audience. As I said, liberals with brains listen to NPR. Air America just hates America.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 80 (view)
 
Israel vs. Palestine
Posted: 7/5/2006 6:00:16 AM
Arri- I think it's funny that when liberals disagree with you they say, "Yea, but you watch Fox news..." As if anything was said about fox news. Please, that's a very old rebuttal. That's no different than "Everything is all Bush's fault". (Not to mention that the conflict between Jews and Muslims goes back from before Bush was in diapers.) And that's the only thing you have to say to me in response to what I posted? That I watch Fox news and can't possibly know what's going on over there and why? Are you the expert, the be all and end all to what the situation is in the middle east? I mean, I've never been to Alaska, but I know that Polar Bears live there, and that it's a great place to visit in the summer.

Plus, I don't particularly care what your response is. You advocate suicide bombing. You make excuses for it, as if that's a plausible tactic for war. Just go blow yourself up in a crowded market. (not you personally, I mean generally.) Why not use one of their high powered rifles or bombs like anyone else would? (But they're not really worried about being wiped off the map- you were only saying that.)

It would be just as terrorising to go to a crowded market and have a bomb go off while picking up an apple SANS person attached to the bomb, that it would be if the person WERE attached to the bomb.

For those that think that blowing yourself up for your jihad is a good idea, I wish those people would go on and blow themselves up to be with Allah and their virgins and leave the rest of us to live our lives. Hurry up and blow yourselves to smithereens, and there wouldn't be as many problems, and the world would deal with people who think rationally enough NOT to blow themselves up. They can all join up in a crowded room and sacrifice themselves at the same time for their Allah, and the world could be done with people who blow themselves up. These suicide wackos would be gone and would stop giving NORMAL Muslims a bad name. NORMAL muslims don't advocate blowing themselves up for Allah.

But I'm glad to know where your head is at, anyway. You think I watch Fox news and can't know what's going on over there, and you excuse suicide bombers.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 72 (view)
 
Switzerland decries Gaza campaign
Posted: 7/4/2006 5:46:06 PM
Beach- I read the Haaretz article and I just think that's the Palestinans take. They're scared right now, I don't blame them. But Israel will not negotiate with Hamas. It just won't happen. As far as your Swiss article, I'm still digesting that one. Interesting read, and we'll see what the Swiss decide to do. Though I doubt anyone in Israel or Palestine listen in the short term.

Arri- I really think you need to read their news sources, and read it further than past 2003. If that's where you're at, you've got ALOT of catching up to do.

First, you don't think it's EXTREME to blow themselves up? And they ARE Islamists, and they profess that. They will tell you they are waging jihad- which if you look that one up means holy war, and jihad is waged against the enemies of Islam. Come on, that was easy. Where do you get it has nothing to do with religion? The Jews say "We're chosen by God" and the wacko muslims are blowing themselves up in the name of God. Hello? I don't get how it's NOT about religion.


The Al Qaeda guys are Saudi/Wahhabism. They actually don't care about the Israeli/Palestinian situation at all. Their target was the United States because they want to end the current relationship between Saudis and the United States. Haven't you noticed that they don't target Jews? And it has nothing to do with the westernization of Saudi Arabia either. The whole thing began when the Royal family gave permission to a foreign force to establish a military presence in Saudi Arabia. They saw that as a prelude to occupation and as the result of 9/11 and all the other nonsense that has happened since, they managed to get the Saudi government, under pressure from the population to evacuate the military bases in 2003.


AlQaeda is also in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Pakistan Afghanistan, etc. as well as a number of other terrorist groups, who are on the same mission, to wage jihad against their ememies. If you think they don't care about what's going on with Palestine and Israel, you haven't read the president of Iran's comments, have you? They sure do care and want to wipe Israel clean off the map. And you really think this started right around 9/11? Or maybe it started with the Gulf War. This has been going on for CENTURIES, before anyone in the United States was aware of over there, before there was even a United States. Your "This whole thing began" needs to be in a theory thread. You have no idea what you're talking about.


Hamas members are Muslims. Then again most palestinians are Muslims. They blow themselves up because they don't have tanks and Gunships or depleted Uranium Shells. It's the only thing they can do to retaliate and they are not doing it for GOD, they are doing it so that their people are not erazed from the face of the earth.


Again, the muslims are waging jihad against the enemies of Islam. I wish you'd research that. Go to the Ask the Imam site, or go to al Jazeera, middle eastern times, anything. Read wikepedia or something. You need to know what these people think if you're going to assume what they're fighting for. They ARE blowing themselves up in the name of God for their war. They will tell you this. These people that blow themselves up are MARTYRED for Allah. Muslims are not indanger of being wiped off the map- do you even have a clue how many muslims are on this planet? Them being wiped off the map is a laughable thought, and that's the last reason they are blowing themselves up. Using yourself as a weapon, killing yourself because you're afraid you'll be wiped off the map? Oxymoron, there, dontcha think? If they were afraid of their race being wiped out- they wouldn't be so happy to kill themselves, you know.

Also, "They blow themselves up because..." it doesn't matter! They have guns, they make bombs, they can do all KINDS of things! You can kill more people in a market with an AK47, you can blow up shops and hotel lobbies with just as much efficiency with a regular bomb WITHOUT the person attached to the bomb. You are justifying the use of suicide bombers and I'm calling you on it. There is NO EXCUSE for blowing yourself up for any reason whatsoever. There are ways and means of killing people and not willfully killing yourself. These suicide missions are blessed by their religious leaders, praised within the community, celebrated after death, the people are martyred, remembered and are used to encourage the idea within their youth.

You are making excuse to kill yourself via suicide bomb by saying what you did. There is no justification, no rationalization for why they are doing it, other than the fact that they are defective and extreme in their religious beleifs. I cannot beleive that you would make excuse for these people and their suicide jihad. You're more than antisemetic, but more like antihuman or antilife. You cannot make excuses for people who blow themselves up in the name of their god. You are wrong.


I wish you had access to more news or better comentery, perhaps a tad more background on the issue, but your thinking is very American and that is to form a strong oppinion as to what is right and what is wrong, who is the friend and who is the enemy based on what they tell you.


I actually get my sources from Muslim media outlets, Israeli news, and all kinds of other middle eastern news sites. Mostly muslims ones, but I do read Haaretz pretty frequently. That's mostly with regard to their business though, I mean I don't read their papers about Hurricane Katrina, obviously, but when the business concerns that part of the globe, I have all their newspapers, blogs, websites and other things like that bookmarked. I like to know what the Palestinians think about this mess just as much as the Israelis. Where do you get your sources?
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 119 (view)
 
TERROR THREATS? i don't buy it!!
Posted: 7/4/2006 5:07:18 PM
Mont- I get what you're saying about the story may have been blown out of porportion, but it's still a big deal, anyway. I agree that the headline was alittle much, but hey- it grabbed attention, right? (You should check out Jay Leno and his collection of headlines if you want a good laugh!)

But still- no one answered the question, which again, was:

WHAT IF THEY WERE TALKING TO ALQAEDA? Is that too extreme a possibilty? What if they were? It's a damn good thing they weren't, but what if they were? (Please, anybody here, please. No one wants to touch this one, and I feel like everyone's ignoring the obvious. )


Umm, excuse me, but I retain this faint preception that Freedom of Expression is a constitutional right.

One one the most frequent and deepest traps of propagana is the group label, in this case, the term "the country".

That group does not exist. I am part of "the country", yet oppose the war, and think it's all a waste of resources, life, creativity, and direction.


No one's taking away anything, and while you're so busy accusing me of stereotyping groups, you just went and basically called me Orwellian. Just because you have the right to say and print things in the press, doesn't give you the right to plot about blowing up buildings. You do not have the constitutional right to try to harm the country or the people in it- and that includes you. No one has the right to hurt you, although they have the right to SAY anything to you they want. The Constitution may be a bit broad in some respects, but it is very precise about the fact that you have no right to infringe on the rights of others.

There is nothing wrong with grouping the country together and calling it the country. Stop being to politically correct. You are part of this country, as you said, and you can hate the war, you can hate the president, you can vote for who you want, you can support which ever cause pleases you, you can have all the ideas you can think, but you don't have the right to plot harm against any other person in this country.

That goes for those guys they just caught. The Constitution does not protect their right to harm this country. You can burn this country's flag if you wish to express your displeasure with it. But you cannot plot to bring harm to others, PARTICULARLY when these guys were plotting to somehow take down the Sears Tower. Remember- they THOUGHT they were talking to AlQaeda.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 19 (view)
 
Air America says Experts Say U.S. Losing ‘War on Terror’
Posted: 7/4/2006 4:49:42 PM
Outfoxed is simply anti Fox news. I can find any website with videos that tailor my point of view, too. I went to the website, I looked at some links. I laughed alittle, particularly when they were saying about O'Reilly being outfoxed- I saw it the other way. I was embarrassed for the guy sitting next to him, who got totally rung and hung out to dry. And Fox has the highest ratings, over any other news broadcast. Their ratings have dropped alittle in the past couple months, but they still are the top, over all other news broadcasts. But this isn't about Fox, it is about how terrible Air America is, the fact that their ratings are so low that liberal with a brain listens to NPR anyway. No one cares about Air America, I can't believe they're still on air. Weren't they having all kinds of troubles paying their bills? I remember hearing about them being in pretty big financial trouble. Maybe Jeneane Garaffalo is helping bail them out. And PETA.

Bob- I don't understand what you're saying when you replied to me. The only thing I got was about me listening to experts. In response to that part, anyone can see that I was pointing out that experts say one thing and another. Sometimes they're right and sometimes not. So generally I don't listen to experts and their studies, just last week I heard about the sun and chocolate being good for you. Untill they come up with a definite, like gravity being the force that keeps you on the ground, I'll be skeptical.

With regards to Air America's experts, I think I'll pass and do my own research. There's a whole world wide web out there with LOADS of sources, some credible and other's not, and I just love to do the digging, following links, reading the arguements and such, while making up my mind about what to think.

Also I heard last week that a group of experts said that Al Gore's group of experts are wrong about global warming. Who do I believe there? Because global warming makes sense for what the world is doing right now. But the other group of experts said that the information is wrong. I'm at a loss, now...
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 14 (view)
 
Air America says Experts Say U.S. Losing ‘War on Terror’
Posted: 7/4/2006 11:14:01 AM

Guys, stop listening to Bush and wake up.....there''''''''s NO alert, there''''''''s no significant
enough danger to post guards at our borders.


You SERIOULSY need to get in touch with more than Air America's point of view. Like, really- you should research things before you post. To say that there isn't enough of a reason to guard our borders is absolutely insane and you obviously don't know what is going on. I mean, even CBS will reconize that. (sometimes.)
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Air America says Experts Say U.S. Losing ‘War on Terror’
Posted: 7/4/2006 11:11:41 AM
Air America says experts say....Enough said.

Air America has about 200 listeners. There are about 300 million people in america. Air America's agenda is SO far left, that their sources should be laughed at. Dan Rather has better sources that Air America.

And exactly WHO are their experts? I mean anyone can say that "Experts say that the world is going to end" I mean- WHO ARE THE EXPERTS? Oh, they're Air America's experts. Experts are saying that Carbon Dioxide is killing the earth. Well, we humans should stop breathing, then. Experts beleived that Phen Fen was the miracle diet pill. Experts also said that Vioxx was a miracle pain med. Experts have said that the world is flat. Experts in Germany during WW2 said that Jews were bad and inferior. Experts have also said that cow belching was the cause of the depletion of the ozone layer, then changed it to Aquanet Hairspray. Experts said that babies should be put to sleep on their stomach. Then on their backs. Now they're saying to put babies on their sides. Experts said that the cause of cerebral palsey was from births that were not cesarian. They've since changed that story, too. Experts said Clinton wasn't impeached. (they were on Mars at the time, in their defense, they didn't get the memo.) Experts said thatbathing in salt water will be good for your complexion. Experts said that Cover Girl uses roadkill as an ingredient in their makeup.

So who are Air America's experts, anyway?
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 113 (view)
 
TERROR THREATS? i don't buy it!!
Posted: 7/4/2006 11:00:02 AM

It's impossible to defend your self against crimes you MIGHT be capable of doing.


I'm sory I have a problem with that statement. I MIGHT be able to rob a bank, I'll only get in trouble for planning it.

Has anyone watched the Dateline exclusive on internet predators? To summarize, a group of adults would go into chatrooms posing as young teenagers, 12, 13, 14 y/o kids, both boys and girls. They would wait untill some adult would come and solicit sex from a person they thought was a young teen. (You can read the transcripts of the chatlogs on www.perverted-justice.com) these adults would arrange to meet these children for sex, and when they showed up, Dateline and their cameras, plus a squad of police were waiting for them, and the adults arrested.

Now these adults never actually had sex with any of these supposed children, they just intended to. And that's what this recent terror threat is ALL about.

Again, I will ask- and NO ONE will answer (because no one thinks about these things, I guess, or maybe no one cares- which I think is more true- no one cares)...

WHAT IF THESE GUYS WERE TALKING TO ALQAEDA?

They certainly THOUGHT they were- just like the internet predators thought they were talking to children, these guys in Florida thought they were talking to Alqaeda.

They had no money or weapons, but that's exactly what they were trying to acquire. (just like the internet predators hadn't actually penetrated these kids, they were trying to acquire pentration with these kids)

Can someone answer my question? What if they were talking to who they thought?

And furthermore, do we really need people in our country who wish harm to the country? Take out the fact that maybe they won't do harm to the country, but that they wish harm to the country. Come on, this is not a difficult question.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 30 (view)
 
Prisoner Sex Change...
Posted: 7/4/2006 10:27:54 AM
^^^ Well, yes. You and I will be paying for it, if that's what's decided.

I just love how the media says "The state will pay for it". The state wouldn't be ABLE to pay for it if it weren't for the tax money coming in.

If the guy wanted to get counseling, if he wanted to find God, if he wanted to start a charity, if he wanted to even further his education- I would be willing to put up money for it. It's for him wanting to better himself.

I am not willing to have my money go to chop his penis off so he can feel more comfortable.

Does anyone remember the story maybe a year or so ago about the man who castrated himself successfully based on research e's done on the internet? The doctors were shocked at how well a job he did (despite the fact that anyone willing to chop off their body parts is CRAZY!) Why can't this guy do it, like lira said? Give him a knife and a book- let him do it himself!

I don't want to pay for it.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 67 (view)
 
Israel vs. Palestine
Posted: 7/4/2006 10:22:34 AM
Also, I understand that this is pretty idealistic of a thought, but why can't Israel AND Palestine exist? Why does it have to be one or the other? (please note that when I speak about Palestine I am talking about the people, and Hamas is seperate. People that blow themselves up for God don't deserve recognition, but the eintire population of Palestine isn't blwong themselves up for God, is why I refer to them seperately.)
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 66 (view)
 
Israel vs. Palestine
Posted: 7/4/2006 10:09:58 AM

Hamas and Al Qaeda have nothing in common and no relationship what so ever. I realize that you being just an American kid can't tell the difference.


I know, I'm just an American kid who doesn't read the news that comes from the middle east (and I haven't been reading the news from over there for a couple years now) and knows that Hamas will BLOW THEMSELVES UP for God. Yep, this American kid can't see the correlation between how AlQaeda and Hamas are similar in the fact that they are extreme Islamists, who beleive suicide bombing is good, and for God. It sucks to be an American kid who can't seem to research things to see why Hamas is bad.

Israel is wrong about ALOT of things, BUT THEY DON'T BLOW THEMSELVES UP FOR GOD.


uuuuuuuhhh...indica...if you don' mind....can I ask you somethin'?? umm...are you Jewish???


Like Jack Rez- I am clueless as to what that has to do with anything. My religious beliefs have nothing to do with what Israel and Palestine are fighting over currently, or what they've been fighting over for centuries. Are you Anit-Semetic? Anti- Muslim, or Anti Christian? How about Anti- Hindu or Anti- Buuddhist?

I SERIOUSLY think that people need to do the research on exactly WHAT the conflict is between Palestine and Israel is over, in fact Israel and the whole middle east is over.

First, the attitude that "We are God's Chosen people" doesn't help. All that is saying to anyone not jewish is that we're all going to hell, according to your words, we don't matter, we're less than you, only you are lucky enough to get to God. And when Israel is the size of about a spit in the ocean, compared to the rest of the middle east, goes around saying to everyone that they're all going to hell because Israel is God's chosen ones, doesn't really fly.

The whole thing about Israel not recognizing God, but God protects them anyway...well that is in need of alittle research as well. Start with the Old Testament. HOW many times was the land of Israel completely destroyed, how many times were they enslaved by the Egyptians, their people scattered into foreign lands where no one spoke their native language, all because they sought to defy God? How about the Golden Calf? They all thought Moses was crazy. They didn't even beleive God when he sent Jesus to save them. But they want to tell me that I'm not chosen, I'm not special because I'm not Jewish? Yea, okay, I'm gonna lose sleep there. (not) If Israel was so special, why did it take so long to get their chosen land back? And it wasn't given to them by God...but you'd know that had you done your research.

Does Israel deserve to exist? Well, I'm certainly not God, and I don't live there- that's not for me to decide. But I don't think anyone on the planet is powerful enough to play God to determine what people are allowed to live or not. I mean, Cavemen don't deserve to live, but God made that decision and we aren't dealing with the politics of cavemen. If Israel doesn't deserve to exist, that decision should be left to God.

Does Palestine have a right to exist? I give the same answer. Plus, they have been there quite a while. Maybe they were just keeping the land warm and habited untill the Jews came to reclaim it as theirs. (note my sarcasm) I do find it particularly audacious that Israel came to claim their land after so long, citing that it was promised by God (as if ANYONE of them has actually spoken to God, to see what his actual intentions are). What if God told the Palestinians that the land belonged to them? This whole "God said so" thing is so lame an excuse. Israel does what it wants, they are constantly defying the word of God, but reach out to claim his so called promises anyway. (and before anyone jumps on me for making that statement- DO YOUR RESEARCH and you'll find out that I'm not wrong, and in fact summarizing and leaving out very important details of the situation that has been happening for centuries. Do the research before you go saying I'm wrong about this.)

Israel is NOT a victim. If Israel was a victim then they would be rolling around on the ground crying over their kidnapped soldier, begging for help. Israel has big balls, Israel is not afraid to fight when necessary. Israel is not afraid to start stuff, either. They are not completely innocent with regard to the Palestinian conflict. I have read countless stories in their own press how they would go (before the big pull out of Gaza) and raid villages of Palestinians, killing them, raiding their olive crops, and such. If they came across a house with Palesitinians in it, they would just go inside and make themselves at home. Especially if there was no one at home (maybe the family went to the market to get food or something). Israelis would just squat in people's houses and refuse to leave. Gun battles would break out in the streets and Israel was not shy in launching bombs into Gaza to drive out the Palestinans. Well, the Palestinians were right to be upset about it, and long story short- Israel FINALLY pulled out of Gaza, giving that land to Palestine, which is what they wanted. Israel, swallowing their pride, gave up the land that they beleived God gave them, and gave Palestine a chance to exist.

So in efforts to thank them, they elect a group that will not even recognize Israel, and wants to wipe them off the map. Palestine is guilty of launching bombs into Israel, they're guilty of sending in suicide bombers into Israel. The straw that broke the camel's back was kidnapping Israeli's. (anyone who has researched this knows why it's such a big deal that a soldier was kidnapped, and I won't go into it, but will provoke those that don't know to do their research.) So Isreal retaliated, and they weren't wrong for doing it. Now Israel is fighting with a terrorist group, bound and determined to wipe Israel off the map. (if they had the ways and the means, they would do it much quicker and more efficiently than suicide bombers, but the suiciders work fine for now as well.) Well, in response, Israel is gonna wipe Hamas off the map. And hey- I'm ALL FOR people who blow themselves up in the name of God to be wiped off the map. I wish they'd blow themselves up and hurry up to go be with their god, so the rest of us can get on with life.

In any case, I know that I'm just a dumb American kid who doesn't know anything (except for the couple years worth of research and reading, scouring their news outlets, comparing it with what we would hear over here and more research and reading, plus talking with the many jews and muslims that live around here in NYC) but I think I have a pretty good idea what's going on, without being biased to one side or another. Looking at the picture as a whole- Palestine AND Israel are BOTH in the wrong. And neither one of them can speak for God, neither one of them has the inside track to God's mind, neither one of them are chosen to not burn in hell, and neither one of them have the right to determine who gets to exist and who doesn't.

But this thread is about this current situation, not about the history of Israel vs. Palestine, or about the history of God's relationship with either side. And in this current situation, I beleive that Israel is right. They pulled out, gave Gaza to the Palestinians and this is who Israel is repayed. By getting their people kidnapped. Well, Palestine elected Hamas in a democratic fashion, and now Palestine has to live with the choices made by Hamas. Which includes getting the ever loving shit kicked out of them by Israel when Hamas decided to kidnap their guys.

If I acquired land through inheritance from my father, but my brother said dad meant for it to go to him instead of me, and we fought and fought about it, then my brother going and moving off the land designated to me by my father, leaving it to me, and I went and kidnapped my brother's kid just afterwards as a way to "get back" at him, then my brother would have every right to come and kick my ass. And how audacious would it be of me to make threats to my brother unless he stopped? I mean, had I not kidnapped his kid in the first place, he wouldn't be kicking my ass.

In conclusiuon, if anyone wants, I would be MORE than happy to provide links to middle eastern media as well as Israeli media, and a few other choice sites full of fairly unbiased reports of events that have taken place. If you would like them, please feel free to email me, and be sure to change your settings to recieve email from me. I would be glad to help anyone out, to see exactly what has been happening and for how long from all sides of the spectrum. Also, I have gotten some pretty nasty emails from Jews and Muslims, and just so you know, they are all reported and then the user blocked. I don't take well to threats, I'm not scared of anyone here, nor scared to report you. (but I welcome anyone who doesn't want to threaten me.)
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 47 (view)
 
Israel vs. Palestine
Posted: 7/3/2006 4:30:57 PM

Hammas was democratically elected by the Palestinian people and was not given a similar opportunity to reform and legitimize itself ...


Umm, Hamas, like AlQaeda, beleives that they can blow themselves up in the name of God. Sorry, Allah. Hamas frequently sends in suicide bombers into Israel to blow them place up. Now to be somewhat fair, Israel does bomb the hell out of Palestine (although it hadn't in a while, prior to these recent attacks) but I maintain that the person or group that is right in this is NOT the one blowing himself or theirselves up in the name of God. Hamas deserves no diplomatic recognition, because they are not a diplomatic group. They are a terrorist group who wish harm to non muslims, non palestinians and all Jews. And as much energy as I have on the Jews, you simply cannot wipe them off the map.

Recent events have occured that Hamas is now threatening Israel. (I personally find that funny, Israel will completely annihalate Gaza if they keep on) Hamas STARTED this latest battle, and no, war has not been declared over there that Hamas can say, "Oh, well we have a prisoner of war over here". Hamas doesn't work that way, remember- they are not diplomatic, they don't follow "rules of war", anyway. All's fair in love and war...and they live up to every minute of it.

Israel can be alot of things, but in this particular instance, Hamas is in the wrong. Israel was wrong for occupying Gaza and not leaving it to the Palestinians. They redeemed themselves quite a bit when they pulled out of Gaza. Voluntarily, I should point out. Palestine elected a terrorist group for their government, and as much as it sucks for some of the residents there, it's what they get. It's what the majority wanted. And the Palestinian's government has no kidnapped an Israeli soldier, and what did anyone expect Israel to do? What Jimmy Carter would and hold candle-light vigils? Public prayer?

Hamas is wrong in this, they should have tried to take the ball that they were given and rolled with it. In just a few short years they could have been a credible member of the world community, but they have done nothing to show that they want to be a part of this world, but are intent to destroy Israel's.

Well, Israel is fully intent on destryong Hamas and leaving the Palestinians in almost utter ruin. Although I can say it may be a bit extreme- what did anyone expect from Israel? Personally I think everyone knew this was coming (If they've kept up on what's been happeing there, reading their news and such) and I don't think anyone is too shocked about it. Let them fight it out. I completely disagree with any ethnic cleansing theory, if they wanted to do that, it would have been MUCH MUCH easier to do it while they occupied Palestine, rather than after they pulled out.

I think the bottom line is that Hamas went and beat open the hornets nest and now their getting stung.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 119 (view)
 
Do I even want to bring up the Duke controversy?
Posted: 7/1/2006 11:29:25 AM
^^^ And that, my friends is an opinion based on research. It is not a fact, obviously, but well researched and thought provoking post.

I can say that I don't agree with everything leewells has said, and I have previously stated my opinion, however I will note that anyone who has done their homework can say that leewells did not misrepresent what has been released to the public. Untill this goes to trial, then any "evidence" is merely speculation right now. A fact is something that has been proven: The world is round, Gravity makes things stay on the ground, the sky is blue, Chlorophyl makes the grass green, etc. None of the speculated evidence has been proven this way or that and won't be untill it reaches the court room, which (and I'm only guessing here) no one on POF will be attending.

I do find it humorous that in order to disagree with someone, the goal for some people is to point out that they may be less than intellegent, so their opinion doesn't matter. While proving the lack of intellegence on the part of others, the person trying to do the discrediting makes an ass out of himself. By pointing out that lira isn't the best speller, cougar misspells words as well. So does cougar's opinion not count, because he can't spell? Of course not- but that's what he was trying to prove with regard to lira. Bill Clinton is NOT my favorite person and I don't find him particularly intellegent, but I bet he knows more about saxaphones than me. (and oral oval office sex) George Bush is a big dummy, but I bet he knows more about Texas than I do.

I would suggest before posting an opinion to have researched what has been presented from any angle and basing your opinion on that. Leewells is RIGHT when he says that ANYONE'S opinion on this Duke issue is because of what some media outlet has produced. So everyone's opinion is based on some form of "news" from media, because no one here as spoken with the accuser, nor the DA, nor the defense, nor the Lacrosse team.

And just because lira had mispelled some words, doesn't mean her opinion doesn't count. Otherwise, NO ONE'S opinion would, because we ALL mispell things. That's the lowest form of degredation I can think of, to insult someone for something you do yourself. Someone needs to get a life...
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 103 (view)
 
TERROR THREATS? i don't buy it!!
Posted: 6/30/2006 11:30:39 AM
^^^ Who is your post directed at?

I am calling them extremists. Anyone willing to blow themselves up for Allah is pretty extreme in my opinion.

I don't know that anyone is judging their whole society, based on the fanatics, but judging the fanatics themselves.

A great example would be the Palestine/Israel conflict. Hammas (the extremists) have forced the Palestinians to be bombed and threatened by Israel. Hammas wants to fight Israel, not the whole Palestinian population. There are Palestinians who only want to raise their kids and live their lives. The extremists are the ones who stick out, and when most people refer to the Palestinians' battle, they of course mean the Hammas and Israel conflict, and not the entire population.

At any rate, the extremists are proud of their slaughters. Be it our soldiers or their own people.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 101 (view)
 
TERROR THREATS? i don't buy it!!
Posted: 6/30/2006 7:07:26 AM

yes, do be watchful; yet on the matter at hand i think it would serve us all well to guard our OWN actions, words, thoughts and deeds before pointing fingers at all levels and factions of other nations. for many in those nations might well say and think the same about us, in light of our attacking and occupying their land and people.


You are VERY right. We do need to watch ourselves and not become complacent. We aren't liked very much right now.

Montreal guy- I don't mean to dis your post, and I don't disagree with what you've said. I know a bunch of muslims (I live in New York) and they all aren't like that. But we don't have a big group of guys over here trying to kill us, they're mostly over there.

When you say a small group of influencial extremists, I'm wondering what you say is small. I know that the description is alittle vague, and I don't want to assume what you mean, but based on my own research the past couple years, I would not call them small. There are groups of fanatics that are occupying whole towns and villages. I would efinitely call them influential, and I don't mean to insinuate that ALL muslims want to kill non muslims, just the extremists feel that way. I believe that there numbers are bigger than what most people think they are.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 1 (view)
 
Israel vs. Palestine [CLOSED]
Posted: 6/29/2006 6:16:23 PM
I can't beleive no one's posted about this yet.

If you don't already know, a summary of the situation goes as such:

Palestine elected Hammas, aka a terrorist organization. A few of these Hammas guys went and dug a hole under the border of Gaza/Israel and kidnapped two people and a solider. Israel threatened to kick their asses if they didn't give up their people. Hammas told Israel that they would negotiate for the people, particularly the soldier and Israel told Hamaas to go screw themselves- they do not negotiate with terrorists. The whereabouts and conditions of the soldier are unknown.

Since, Israel has bombed the ever living shit out of the Gaza strip. They bombed power plants, knocking out electricity and running water. They have kidnapped several Hammas officials, and knowing the way Israel operates, those guys won't be going back to Palestine. I'd be surprised if Israel doesn't have them excecuted. Israel has flown fighter planes over officials homes on Syria, to let them know that Israel knows where other Hammas leaders are, and won't hesitate to knock them out over there. Israel keeps bombing the fields where ordinarily Palestinians will shoot their rockets over the wall into Israel. (The Palestinians, for whatever reason like to beat the hornet's nest with a bat, so to speak.) Israel is also shooting sonic booms over the villages in Gaza, so the people can't go to sleep. Israel's mission is to completely destroy the Hammas government.

Now, that's what's happeneing. My opinion is that Israel is right. They gave up the Gaza Strip, made their settelers leave and gave it to the Palestinians. They have tried to negotiate peace treaties with Palestine, untill they elected Hammas. Israel won't recognize Hammas, because Hammas frequently sends suicide bombers into Israel, and other such atrocities. I think Israel is right to kick their asses, because Hammas started this one again. All they had to do was chill out and try to become a country, like they complained they wanted for so long. Hammas decided they had a better idea and now the entire Gaza Strip is paying for it.

Even Egypt has sent troops to their border with Palestine to prevent any of them sneaking through, or sneaking the hostage soldier out of Gaza. The Palestinians blew a huge hole in the wall bordeirng with Egypt, and Egypt was scrambling around filling the hole with dirt, before any Palestinians can seank through it. (Egypt, by the way has a peace treaty with Israel. Egypt doesn't want to be apart of any of this mess, I don't blame them one bit.)

Anyway, so I'm looking for what you think about all this, and why you think that way. As I said, I'm on Israel's side on this one, and that's usually not the case, I have alot of bad energy on Israel. But I think they're right on this one. You?
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 92 (view)
 
TERROR THREATS? i don't buy it!!
Posted: 6/29/2006 5:54:30 PM

Much like the "war on terror" angle and the "fight them there so we don't have to fight them here" retoric that were hearing now.


If you think that it won't be here someday, you aren't paying attention. It is what they want. They will die trying to get it. They could be in America now, and we just don't know it. We could see something terrible tomorrow when we turn on the news. It will be eventually.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 102 (view)
 
My source
Posted: 6/29/2006 8:23:08 AM
^^^ Still waiting on the link, I have tried to research that and have found nothing saying that they were offered hush money.

I have also found that the nurse at Duke Hospital said that the examinations the alleged victim had done, showed that the swelling of the vaginal cavity (I hate that term. )could have just as easily come from sex, I also read in Newsweek (I know, they're SO TERRIBLY reliable) that she perfomed with a vibrator for a couple a couple days before. That she had sex with her boyfriend before the party, has come out in several news sources. The second dancer still maintains that the accusations are a "crock".

The DA is refusing to turn over certain documents to the defense, saying that the defense doesn't need them, and the defense is saying that they should have everything regarding evidence pertaining to this case.

Her emotional state of mind means nothing, really. If she was not raped, then she would be faking her emotional state. I think that if someone has come out with a report saying she won't eat, then they are simply playing the accuser out to be a victim even more, and saying that makes people look negatively toward the alleged rapists. That is opinion and not fact and I don't think it should be reported in the news.

The facts remain the same, though.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 88 (view)
 
TERROR THREATS? i don't buy it!!
Posted: 6/29/2006 8:03:05 AM

125,000 iraqis have died. Do you suppose they were all insurgents? We did not kill them all but we killed a lot of them.


How were these people killed, is a good question to ask, to determine who killed who. Because our tactics do not include IEDs, suicide bombings, pulling people off busses and shooting them, raiding specific ethinic villages and shooting the ones that don't agree religiously, beheading the hostages, etc. Although we have killed civilians, our goal is at least to try to get the bad guys. Their goal is to get anyone who doesn't live by the sharia law, they way they do. Anyone can be the enemy to them.

I'm not trying to be nasty about your post, I'm just tired of hearing about our guys being compared to these extremists. It's comparing apples to oranges.

The ONLY way this war will be "won" is if people do the research and find out what these guys represent. I've done lots of digging and it scares the absolute shit out of me. It's not as simple as Bush being a bad guy. I don't agree with 95% of his policies, but his biggest mistake is heading into this war without even knowing who he's fighting. It seems no one knows. NY Times is willing to publish ANYTHING bad about the USA, to project the terrorists as less than as bad as they are, leaving the impressions that WE are the terrorists.

But WE AREN'T BLOWING OURSELVES UP. WE DON'T BEHEAD HOSTAGES ON TV. WE AREN'T LINING PEOPLE IN THE STREETS AND SHOOTING THEM IN THE HEAD. Maybe we should, because they certainly seem to understand that, as they practice it alot.

And has anyone got the answer to why these people are killing in the name of God? Research these groups. Find out how they think and the way they operate. We have big massive weapons and they have IEDs. They may act more primative that we do, but they are on a serious mission to rid the world of anyone not muslim.

I REALLY wish people would do the research to find this out. These people will never be our allies. It just won't happen. They don't want it. They want to kill anyone not Muslim. If people would do the necessary research, they would realize this. I'm so scared that people will chose to stay ignorant (and I'm not personally attacking ANYONE by saying that, that is to be taken as a general statement) and beleive whatever the media tells them. They will continue to be brainwashed, thinking that the war isn't as bad as it is, or that the people we're fighting need to be shown some compassion. We live in VERY scary times.

Who to trust? Do your research and trust in yourself, with what you learn. Do days and weeks of research. Find out what made wackos fly planes into our skyscrapers. Find out about Sharia Law, find out about these extremist groups.

The game of Chess was brought up. Imagine playing chess or another game. You always try to anticipate the move of your opponant. You try to keep them on the defensive, outwit them. You study the way they play, the reasoning for the moves they made. If you pay enough attention, you can almost guess with good accuracy which move your opponant will make next. We need to approach this war the same way. Learn about the opponant so we can better beat them.

Don't think for a second that they aren't trying to anticipate our moves. Soon people may start to realize that we will either kill them or they will kill us. They already realize that and are gungho to do it. RESEARCH......
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 165 (view)
 
Religion and Violence
Posted: 6/28/2006 5:39:09 PM
^^^ Darwinism has been proven false, if you do the research, you'll find that to be true. Things change, but evolving according to what Darwin was talking about is changing fromone thing to another thing for the purpose of something. Not like a bird's beak changing shape fot the food that it eats, but the bird becoming something else.

The thing about people and their religion is that they don't need Darwin's theory to be false in order to believe in God. Atheists on the other hand need the theory of evolution to be true to continue to say there is no God.

No church would beleive that because in a church, God created man in his image, in the Koran, the Torah and other religious books, their god created man as well. We came from God, is why they churches don't preach evolution.

I don't like that in schools they teach evolution to be fact and not theory. To alot of people religion may be a theory as well, but Darwin only had a theory and that was it. Do some research on what he had to say about how the eye was formed. He said that he wasn't too sure, in conclusion. Alot of biologists have come and said that there's no way it could be true, based on laboratory testing.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 72 (view)
 
TERROR THREATS? i don't buy it!!
Posted: 6/28/2006 5:31:58 PM
^^^I hate when that happens...
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 71 (view)
 
TERROR THREATS? i don't buy it!!
Posted: 6/28/2006 5:29:38 PM

nooo, that isn't islamic mission, but that of fanatical islamic ideals. not ALL islamic faith is bent on killing other faiths; in fact theirs is actually a deeply spiritual and peace loving faith. and isn't MOST religion's desire to "make" others accept their faith as THE faith to follow?![/quote

The Islamic mission claims it is of peace. However, it does not prohibit jihad against enemies of Islam.These extremists view anyone not muslim as an emeny. See this link:

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/encyclopedia/entry/Islam

So you could call them peaceful, untill they find someone who disagrees, and Islam does not prohibit waging jihad against enemies. You are right about all other religions trying to get others to see it their way, or as most like to call it, "spreading the message". But my final arguement over who's right- the one's that AREN'T blowing themselves up.


I like your logic. Because killing terrorists might make terrorists mad and make them want to kill us even more than they do now, we should stop killing them. Me, I'd work a different angle. Because terrorists have killed us, we should kill them, no matter how many terrorists there are and how long we have to continue killing them. They are going to try to kill us especially if we appear weak to them.


That's just it, and people don't get it. We may be killing regular civilians over there, but THEY'RE the ones with the car bombs, IEDs, blowing up buildings and shopping centers, suicide bombing, etc. They're killing more of their own people than we are. And they won't stop, because they think they're right. Our position eventually will be kill or be killed, because they don't care that you care for them. They view you as the ememy.

Vivd- I don't know what to say except I'm GLAD you're the vast minority opinion. Glad you don't know anyone that died there.


before I forget; what about the american soldiers that were playing FIFA soccer
with a dead insurgents head on the street? They were using the severed head scoring
points. Hmmmm....


Just for shits and giggles, I did alittle research on that. I haven't found anything about American soldiers beheading any prisoners. I did find this:
http://www.poe-news.com/stories.php?poeurlid=35240


The so-called terrorist in Florida are not terrorist in my opinion. I think that they are a small sect of individuals who practice life in a way that is different than what general american society says thay should live. If they really wanted to set off a terrorist attack trust me it would not have been hard. A few months back in Cincinnati 2 pipe bombs were found on a city bus. If these Florida individuals wanted to set off an attack they could have done it to a city bus or any other public place. But of course our American gov will make them terrorist, even if they have to fake info to save face. Nothing about these men says terrorist.


See, the general population of American says, "Don't plan to blow up buildings. Talkling about blowing up the Sears Tower isn't a joke. Just like you don't say you want to kill the president in public." So it's not a matter of they live differently. They want to HURT us. Big difference. And assuming I'd trust you, tell me just how easy it would be to blow up the Sears tower? I mean you talk about pipe bombs, that will hardly bring that thing down. You don't know what you're talking about. With regards to having them on buses, all I can say is thank God it hasn't happened here yet. I fear it's only a matter of time before we get suicide bombers here. And seriously- they were TRYING to aqcuire the ways and means to get something big done. WHAT IF THEY WERE TALKING TO WHO THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE?

Lonadrift- You make a good point, but you think rationally. The problem is who we're fighting doesn't think the same (although it is rational to them). This war goes back for a LONG time. Remember the Iran hostage crisis? It goes back longer than that.

People REALLY need to study the people that we're fighting. I'm so tied of hearing about how America is SO bad. If America was SO bad, we wouldn't have the illegal immigration problem that we do. People from Mexico are chancing their lives crossing deserts to get here. I'm not denying the problems we have with the current administration, but that's for another thread. And most have been turned into Bush- Bash sessions, this shouldn't be one of them. But no one gets who we're fighting.

These people are waging war with their own people. They have been for centuries. And they DO want to live like it's the seventh century, otherwise women could uncover their heads, they wouldn't behead each other, legally doing so, no public lynchings, it's CRAZY over there. If we weren't there, it would be like that, just like it was like that before we got there. They believe that killing in the name of Allah is good. We are their enemy. They organize and kill themselves for killing the enemy. Look at all the Palestinians sneaking into Israel to blwo themselves up at random. This isn't simply Iraq, it's a cultural thing, even a tribal thing. Although oil may have a part of the point of going to war, it will not carry it, we will be fighting for a long time. The only thing I can say about that is I'm glad it's not over here.

But these people want to hurt us. Has anyone heard of the four Russian diplomats that were beheaded by these wacko extremists recently? For anyone who thinks these groups are few and far between, I would beg to differ. They are affecting nations all over the world. And they believe it is a good thing, it is for Allah. It's okay if one dies trying to defeat you, because three more are ready to take his place. It's not just the Iraqi's we're fighting. That's only georgraphy. We are fighting religious extremists who want to hurt anyone non muslim. More people really need to research them to understand them. Maybe they should watch the videos of people getting their heads chopped off, and see why they're called terrorists.

Moondance, you brought up Israel and I'm quite surprised, and since you did, I want to take the opportunity to agree with you. Don't forget the mass stocks of weapons we supply for them too. When the Palestinian is killed with shrapnel from a grenade and it's stamped "Made in USA". it doesn't exactly sit well with them. Israel is a spit in the ocean, compared to the Islamic culture surrounding them. They go around touting that they're the chosen ones, just batting the hornet's nest, so to speak. And we fund them. I wonder if that could be another reason that extremists hate us so much.....I don't want to go around dissing Israel, but they really need to back off sometimes. (Although, for current event measure, they're right not to back off this latest battle with Palestine IMO, they simply will not negotiate with terrorists and I don't blame them.)
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 27 (view)
 
TERROR THREATS? i don't buy it!!
Posted: 6/25/2006 11:49:38 AM
You should shudder more if you think about the lives that will be lost if we don't maintain keeping our lives the way it is, denouncing radical Islam. People will continue to die because that's what our enemies believe in.

While we celebrate life, they celebrate death. They encourage it, hope for it, live their lives around dying. They are for being martyrs and killing the infidels (which is us) for the sake of their cause. They don't care about death tolls like we do. We mourn our dead, they celebrate the job well done, killing themselves for killing us. If we stop, they won't. If we leave there, they will eventually follow.

It is only a matter of time before another 9/11 happens. And they will celebrate while we cry. They will celebrate while we bury our dead. When we claim ourselves as being better than that and planning to fight back, they will already be waiting for us to kill us again. They won't stop. They were born to die and to take as many of the enemy with them as possible. The more of the enemy they take, the more their deaths are celebrated as good.

Islam's mission is to make everyone a muslim and live like it was the 7th century. Those who are unwilling to give their lives to Allah will be killed. Those who do give their life to Allah will be martyred. And they will not stop untill the world is muslim.

I don't understand why no one gets that. This is who we're fighting. We're not losing the war for a lack of resources or determination, either. Not because of a bad president. But because we want to have life, be free, live abundantly and have pleasure. Live and let live, be tolerant of others and do the right thing.

They just want us to die and to kill themselves for their cause. For them the right thing is to rid the world of anyone not willing to embrace Islam. It is their finality, it is what they believe they are on this earth to do, and each and every one of them is about celebrating their deaths. Our deaths are their sacrifices to their God. They become one step closer to their ultimate goal.

I really wish people could get that. I wish people would research Islam and who we're fighting. Who here knows the difference of Sunni and Shiite? Why they hate us, why they want to kill us. They won't stop even if we do. We could "win" this war and they won't stop. We could lose this war and they won't stop. They won't stop untill the last of our men, women and children are dead, so we cannot make more infidels. This is our enemy. This is why this isn't a war over oil, but a holy war. And they are right, because they beleive they are, and will kill and be killed for it.
 indicalover
Joined: 3/25/2005
Msg: 21 (view)
 
TERROR THREATS? i don't buy it!!
Posted: 6/24/2006 1:20:57 PM
The only way for anyone to believe that these guys were REAL terrorists would be for them to actually do something. That's it. The FBI can catch these guys all day long and everyone says, "You're only exaggerating." What has to happen for the FBI to be taken seriously is to not catch these guys and let them go ahead with blowing shit up. But then people would say, "The government still isnt' doing their job. First they lie and say they caught the bad guys, but then they let the bad guys blow up our buildings."

This government only needs to be wrong ONCE. ONE time it would take to take down the Sears Tower. What are you gonna do then? Cry and blame Bush?

At least people are on top and paying attention to what's going on in this country, or else, they would have never known that these people existed. These people could concievably been talking to a terror group, and received help. People want to focus on the fact that they had no money- that's what they were TRYING to get, was money from terrorists, to go ahead with their plan.

WHAT IF IT WASN'T THE FBI THEY WERE TALKING TO??

We only have to be wrong once.

And you can keep on talking about these guys who didn't amount to anything, and they'll be forgotten about. Even used as a dis to the administration..."See, those guys didn't actually DO anything..." (Internet predators on Dateline didn't actually DO anything either. It was their intent to screw 13 year olds that got them in trouble."

What's it gonna take for this kind of shit to be taken seriously? Do we NEED another building to be blown up for people to take this shit serious?
 
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