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jed456

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New christian craze: Praying for Obama's death. Posted: 11/21/2009 7:08:59 PM
Some more...... Pat Buchanan: Our culture is superior. Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free. Speech to the Christian Coalition, September 1993 David Chilton: The god of Judaism is the devil. The Jew will not be recognized by God as one of His chosen people until he abandons his demonic religion and returns to the faith of his fathers - the faith which embraces Jesus Christ and His Gospel. The Days of Vengeance: An Exposition of the Book of Revelation (1984) Ann Coulter: We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war. Newspaper Column, September 2001. Tom DeLay: Ladies and gentlemen, Christianity offers the only viable, reasonable, definitive answer to the questions of 'Where did I come from?' 'Why am I here?' 'Where am I going?' 'Does life have any meaningful purpose?' Only Christianity offers a way to understand that physical and moral border. Only Christianity offers a comprehensive worldview that covers all areas of life and thought, every aspect of creation. Only Christianity offers a way to live in response to the realities that we find in this world -- only Christianity. House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) at the First Baptist Church of Pearland, Texas, on April 12, 2002 Jerry Falwell: If we are going to save America and evangelize the world, we cannot accommodate secular philosophies that are diametrically opposed to Christian truth. "Moral Majority Report," September, 1984. D. James Kennedy: This is our land. This is our world. This is our heritage, and with God's help, we shall reclaim this nation for Jesus Christ. And no power on earth can stop us. Character & Destiny: A Nation in Search of Its Soul (1994) Francis J. Lally: The Church doesn't believe in book-burning, but it believes in restricting the use of dangerous books among those whose minds are unprepared for them. Francis J. Lally, American Roman Catholic Monsignor. Interview with Mike Wallace, 1958. Thats a bunch of crazies! Francis J. Lally: The Church has through the centuries, understood that ideas are really more dangerous than other weapons. Their use should be restricted. Francis J. Lally, American Roman Catholic Monsignor. Interview with Mike Wallace, 1958. Joseph Morecraft: Nobody has the right to worship on this planet any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have the responsibility to defend anybody's pseudo-right to worship an idol. Rev. Joseph Morecraft, Chalcedon Presbyterian Church, "Biblical Role of Civil Government" speech delivered on August 21, 1993 at the Biblical Worldview and Christian Education Conference. Luckily that pesky separation of church and state gets in these peoples way!

jed456

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New christian craze: Praying for Obama's death. Posted: 11/21/2009 6:57:52 PM
Oh and BTW - back to the OP - this "new Christian craze" isn't new at all... That same exact Psalm was also going around everywhere when Clinton was president... So were they racist domestic terrorist right wing extremists then too? Aryan Nations/Church of Jesus Christ Christian -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Recent years have not been kind to Aryan Nations, once the country's most well-known neo-Nazi outpost. Bankrupted by a lawsuit from a mother and son who were assaulted by Aryan Nations guards, the group lost its Idaho compound in 2001. Though he continued to serve as Aryan Nations’ leader, Richard Butler suffered the effects of age and ill health, and the group splintered into factions in 2002. Butler claimed to be reorganizing Aryan Nations but died in September 2004, leaving the group’s future as uncertain as ever. Founder and Leader: Richard Butler (1918-2004) Splinter groups (and leaders): Tabernacle of Phineas Priesthood ( Charles Juba, based in Pennsylvania); Church of the Sons of Yahweh (Morris Gullett, based in Louisiana) Founded: Mid-1970s Headquarters : Hayden, Idaho Background: Butler first became involved with the Christian Identity movement after serving in the U.S. Air Force during World War II. He studied under Wesley Swift, founder of the Church of Jesus Christ Christian, until Swift died. Butler then formed Aryan Nations. Media: Internet, videos, posters, e-mail, chat rooms, online bulletin boards, conferences. Ideology: Christian Identity, white supremacy, neo-Nazi, paramilitary Connections: Aryan Nations has had members in common with several other white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups, including National Alliance, the Ku Klux Klan and The Silent Brotherhood/The Order Recent Developments: Once the most well-known neo-Nazi group in the United States, Aryan Nations has suffered substantially in recent years due to Butler’s ill health, and a lawsuit that cost the group its Northern Idaho compound in 2001. Butler agreed to share power with Kreis and Redfeairn later that year, but the arrangement dissolved into internal squabbling. Eventually three groups competed for Aryan Nations' dwindling number of followers. It is unclear how Butler’s death in September 2004 will affect the group. Background Aryan Nations is one of the country's best-known enclaves of anti-Semitism and white nationalism. While founded as a Christian Identity outpost, the organization also incorporates neo-Nazi themes; its founder and longtime leader, Richard Girnt Butler, openly adulates Hitler. It is no surprise, then, that Aryan Nations has for many years had members in common with several other white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups and that the Aryan Nations compound at Hayden Lake has served as one of the central meeting points and rallying grounds of far-right extremists of all stripes. Butler (b. 1918), is a World War II veteran who later worked as an engineer for Lockheed in southern California, where he was introduced to Identity teachings by William Potter Gale, a retired colonel (and aide to General Douglas MacArthur in the South Pacific), leader of the paramilitary California Rangers, and a founder of the Posse Comitatus. By the mid-1960s, Butler had fully embraced Identity and served as National Director of the Christian Defense League, an organization founded by the most prominent popularizer of Identity, Wesley Swift. Butler worked under Swift for 10 years until Swift's death in 1971, at which time Butler proclaimed his Church of Jesus Christ Christian to be the direct successor to Swift's ministry. Butler moved the congregation to northern Idaho where it became, in his words, a "Call to the Nations" or Aryan Nations. Its goal, as a subsequent newsletter stated, was to form "a national racial state. We shall have it at whatever price is necessary. Just as our forefathers purchased their freedom in blood so must we....We will have to kill the **stards." Walking the Walk Several Aryan Nations associates have acted on this call to arms. During the early 1980s, for example, Butler followers joined with members of the neo-Nazi National Alliance and Ku Klux Klan splinter groups to form The Silent Brotherhood, known more widely as The Order, which planned to overthrow the United States government in hopes of establishing an Aryan homeland in the Pacific Northwest. In order to raise funds for this revolution, members of the group went on a crime spree in 1983-1984 that included bank robberies, counterfeiting, bombings, armored car holdups and murder. The counterfeiting operation was based at the Aryan Nations compound. Ostensibly, The Order's activities came to an end in December 1984, when its founder and leader, Robert J. "Bob" Mathews, died in a fire during a shootout with federal agents on Whidbey Island, Washington, and many of its members were caught and incarcerated. Yet The Order, and to a lesser degree Aryan Nations, has retained a mythic status in the far-right underground. Its legend is now perpetuated across the Internet, inspiring a new generation of would-be white revolutionaries and further reinforcing the Aryan Nations "brand." Ideology The Order's murderous violence does not typify Aryan Nations, but the anti-government and anti-Jewish hatred of Mathews and his colleagues is the lingua franca of Hayden Lake. A statement of beliefs on the Aryan Nations Web site declares: "The Jew is like a destroying virus that attacks our racial body to destroy our Aryan culture and purity of our race. Those of our Race who resist these attacks are called 'chosen and faithful.'" Anti-Jewish sentiments are blended with opposition to the American government in an Aryan "Declaration of Independence" that mimics the original: The history of the present Zionist Occupied Government of the United States of America is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having a direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states; moreover throughout the entire world....We, therefore, the representatives of the Aryan people, in council, appealing to the supreme God of our folk for the rectitude of intentions ... solemnly publish and declare that the Aryan people in America, are, and of rights ought to be, a free and independent nation; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the United States of America, and that all political connection between them and the Federal government thereof, is and ought to be, totally dissolved; and that as a free and independent nation they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to perform all other acts which independent nations may of right do. The "Declaration" concludes by quoting the so-called "14 Words," coined by David Lane of The Order: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." The phrase has become a popular battle cry for white supremacists and neo-Nazis. I certainly am not saying you are a Nazi however to say there are not extreme violent "christian" racist groups in the united states is ludicrous.

jed456

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New christian craze: Praying for Obama's death. Posted: 11/21/2009 11:30:23 AM
Well, if we're Homeland Security risks, what's next? I guess the government will need to identify who is and is not a Christian right? Wonder how they'll do that? Maybe with a national ID or a tattoo or mark of some kind? Its quite simple If you approve of the following act,or kill abortion doctors or threaten to kill the president your a whackjob.Or if your planning to overthrow the democratically elected government your a whackjob.Or if a person blows up a federal building bingo your a whackjob.Not exactly the work's of a christian eh? Christian terrorist attempts car-bombing in Iowa Sep 26th, 2006\| Good Old Fashioned Crazy, Government, News, religion\| 105 comments and gets charged with 2nd-degree arson. Last week, as you may (or may not), have heard, David Robert McMenemy attempted to destroy an abortion clinic in Davenport, IA by dousing his car in gasoline and driving it through the wall of the Edgerton Women’s Health Center. edit - It’s been brought to my attention that Mr. McMenemy drove through the front doors and not a wall. It has also been claimed by a nearby resident that the gasoline was added after crashing through the doors, although this article disputes that. Fortunately, no one was hurt because he reconsidered lighting himself on fire for God at the last moment. And laughably, the clinic he attempted to destroy does not even perform abortions. Schadenfreude aside, this is a terrorist act. He should be tried as a terrorist. (Perhaps we should torture him in a secret prison in case he has friends who are also planning other actions. That is our policy now, right?) Second-degree arson is ridiculous. We lock foreigners (and sometimes Americans) up indefinitely in Guantanamo Bay for the slightest possible connections to Islamic terrorism. Yet, this Christian terrorist is charged with a minor felony? Absurd! Class C felonies, which 2nd degree arson is in Iowa, are punishable by imprisonment of not more than 10 years and a fine between $1000 and $10,000 under Iowa law. He is getting off easy just because he believes in the right make-believe super hero. For now, you may also believe in the “correct” deity, and find yourself safe from persecution for those beliefs. But consider what happens if public opinion turns or you have a change of heart, and you find yourself in the future’s minority? As a former President said yesterday, “Democracy is about way more than majority rule. Democracy is about minority rights, individual rights, restraints on power.” Lately, we’ve had far too many failures when it comes to living up to those words. UPDATE David McMenemy’s case has been moved to federal court. He now faces a charge of “committing arson against a business affecting interstate commerce” which carries a prison term of between five and 20 years and a fine. James dobson September 11 After September 11 Dobson was asked whether "God withdrawn His protective hand from the US," Dobson is quoted as saying: "Christians have made arguments on both sides of this question. I certainly believe that God is displeased with America for its pride and arrogance, for killing 40 million unborn babies, for the universality of profanity and for other forms of immorality. However, rather than trying to forge a direct cause-and-effect relationship between the terrorist attacks and America’s abandonment of biblical principles, which I think is wrong, we need to accept the truth that this nation will suffer in many ways for departing from the principles of righteousness. "The wages of sin is death," as it says in Romans 6, both for individuals and for entire cultures. http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=4257 People for the American Way, "Right Wing Organizations: Focus on the Family

jed456

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New christian craze: Praying for Obama's death. Posted: 11/21/2009 11:08:47 AM
Looks like seperation of church and state is the smartest thing our founding fathers ever did. You got that right.

jed456

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New christian craze: Praying for Obama's death. Posted: 11/21/2009 8:52:54 AM
^^^^^ More whack jobs spouting hate.The USA should be on the lookout for extreme fanatic loonies be it the Islamic fundamentalist's or the" christian" fundamentalist's.IMHO if this death panel,birther,commie socialist rhetoric keeps up I'm concerned that some nut job will get in his head he is doing god's work and take a shot at the president.And when I say christian I don't mean the everyday churchgoer.But take a look at James dobson for example.Glenn beck in my opinion is stirring up the crazies also! In reply to message 6

jed456

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Nobel Peace Prize Laureate confirms Faux News is NOT a news organization Posted: 11/20/2009 7:50:18 PM
Anyone who cannot spell Fox without the letters A and U cannot really be trusted to hold an objective viewpoint. Funny I feel the same way about faux um fox. Fox news is basically a mouthpiece for the right wing,anyone who doesn't recognize this is blind.And Hey that's fine if that floats your boat but to sit day after day and say there fair and balanced? please!And to make up the story about how the footage shown was a mistake?Fox admitted to nothing until they were called on it the epitome of journalistic integrity lol. Critics of the Fox News Channel intimate all the time that they take their marching orders and construct their dizzy little metanarratives from concise memoranda from straight out of the Republican messaging machine. But if you were to accuse the network of doing so, they'd typically respond, "Zounds! You wound mine honor, good fellow, verily!" Or, they'd have chief flack-and-Sith Lady Irina Briganti cut you, with dirty knives. But Media Matters has caught the foxy newsies in flagrante delicto passing off a press release from the Senate Republican Communications Center as their own enterprise reporting. The instance came on this afternoon's edition of Fox News' Happening Now, in a segment on the stimulus package that was preceded by the following introduction by host Jon Scott: "We thought we'd take a look back at the bill, how it was born, and how it grew, and grew, and grew." Note, please, the introduction of this segment with the active verb "we thought," as if what followed came out of some organic newsgathering process, founded by a genuine curiosity for how the stimulus package "grew and grew." As opposed to: "A press release from the Senate Republican Communications Center today highlights the escalating top line cost of the stimulus package," which would have been a less disingenuous way to introduce the segment. But the real nimrod part of it all is that the Senate Republican Communications Center included a typographic error, which Fox didn't even change! From the press release: WALL STREET JOURNAL: "President-elect Barack Obama's economic team is crafting a stimulus package to send to Congress worth between $675 billion and $775 billion over two years, according to officials familiar with the package..." ("Stimulus Package Heads Toward $850 Billion," The Wall Street Journal, 12/19/09) So, in short, Fox News received a press release from a GOP outpost, and rather than reporting it out or applying even the teeniest bit of critical scrutiny, they cut-and-pasted the whole kit and kaboodle into a slideshow just as quickly as their tiny mouse-clicky hands could go, the end.

jed456

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CNN Drops to Last Place Among Cable News Networks Posted: 11/20/2009 2:29:51 PM
Me thinks,most people are starting to get fed up with the propaganda being passed off as new's. Fox I agree 100%

jed456

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Nobel Peace Prize Laureate confirms Faux News is NOT a news organization Posted: 11/20/2009 2:19:38 PM
Yea, I remember Rick Sanchez on CNN called them out on live tv for that one. It was pretty cool. Yep I find it amusing when faux spouts off about fair and balanced and why no other news station carried the tea bagger story.When anyone could flip the channel and see it reported on those listed and the BBC.And my local news channels in NYC including news's 12 long Island and some talk about drinking kool-aid!Fox new's opiates for the masses.

jed456

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Nobel Peace Prize Laureate confirms Faux News is NOT a news organization Posted: 11/20/2009 2:14:10 PM
Fox came out on that error themselves. Umm no after Jon Stewart pointed out the footage to hannity he apologized.What a load of crap!

jed456

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Nobel Peace Prize Laureate confirms Faux News is NOT a news organization Posted: 11/20/2009 2:04:57 PM
Her's some more outright lies.I know the die hard fox fan's will dismiss this as they do anything regarding the right wing circus clown show.But for the rest of you From Huffington Post: "In this morning's Washington Post, on page A9, the Fox News Channel took out a full-page ad, chest-thumping about its coverage of this past weekend's Tea Party protests in Washington, DC (which were heavily promoted by Fox News). "How did, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, and CNN miss this story?" the text reads. It makes one wonder: Did Fox's marketing department bother to check on its competitors' coverage before they made these claims? The facts are these: It took me all of 30 seconds to open up TVEyes and search CNN and MSNBC for Tea Party coverage on Saturday, September 12. Here are the facts. By my rough count, on September 12, CNN ran no less than 14 reports on the Tea Party rally, beginning at approximately 7:00 a.m. During the same time period, MSNBC offered viewers four reports on the Tea Parties. This is substantially less coverage than that of Fox News, obviously, but they did provide one of the event's most iconic images"

jed456

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Nobel Peace Prize Laureate confirms Faux News is NOT a news organization Posted: 11/20/2009 2:01:42 PM
If your not a fox viewer why are you even commenting?

jed456

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Nobel Peace Prize Laureate confirms Faux News is NOT a news organization Posted: 11/20/2009 1:48:15 PM
If faux fakes two different news footage.What else do they deceive the public with? hmmmmm.

jed456

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Terrorism is just a state of mind. Posted: 11/20/2009 12:36:47 PM
There are 1.3 billion Muslim's on the planet.How exactly do you intend to accomplish this.. Anyone who promotes genocide is not well.

jed456

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Interracial couple denied marriage license in Louisiana Posted: 11/20/2009 12:09:41 PM
Most racist's are projecting their own feeling's of inferiority's just plain ignorance on others to make them feel better.I find racism of any kind disgusting!

jed456

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Terrorism is just a state of mind. Posted: 11/20/2009 12:05:11 PM
we must declare war against Islam. The entire religion?Or are you referring to the radical fundamentalist's?

jed456

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Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012? Posted: 11/16/2009 9:24:43 PM
Flabbergasted by the Palin-train-wreck-that-never-ends? Oh, most certainly. Lol You got that right.As for fear no I haven't read anything like fear except in perhaps the post's of those with there blinders on.And regardless what this "hockey mom" has to say she played a big part in McCain's loss .I want palin to run. Cheney/palin Fruit-loop's for the future. And I'm glad she is in the spotlight it guarantees comedic material for years. The lady is a wingnut if that is your bag of tea more power to you.

jed456

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Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012? Posted: 11/16/2009 5:51:13 PM
she is a great Orator who actually cares about things and shows emotion By winking at the camera?Good god! Response to Going Rogue by former McCain aide John Weaver, Politico: "Sarah Palin reminds me of Jimmy Stewart in the movie 'Harvey,' complete with imaginary conversations. All books like these are revisionist and self-serving, by definition. But the score-settling by someone who wants to be considered a serious national player is petty and pathetic."

jed456

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Nobel Peace Prize Laureate confirms Faux News is NOT a news organization Posted: 11/16/2009 1:34:28 PM
http://w3.newsmax.com/a/sarahbook/?promo_code=4A15-1 Wow On pre order at amazon I believe it was 9 dollars.The same as Stephen king's Under The Dome.I prefer well written fantasy book's.

jed456

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Religion Posted: 11/16/2009 1:15:01 PM
It's not odd. Just because someone claims to live by the Bible or the teachings of Jesus doesn't mean they do. People have used religion as a cover for political and economic chicanery long before modern times. One of the best statement's I have read on here! I would include all religion's not just christians.Think how many people have died because there god was "better"

jed456

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Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012? Posted: 11/15/2009 1:57:46 PM
No Palin is like any other individual/entity who is not lockstep with Obama, his administration or his policies Not quite,Palin was one step away from potus.McCain may have died I was not willing to take the chance of this person being anywhere near the nuclear codes.Also there are quite a few Republicans Senator Warner being one who I have the highest respect for there goes your theory.

jed456

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Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012? Posted: 11/15/2009 12:50:54 PM
No one is perfect however I could fill this thread with palin quotes the women is a joke!And I hope she runs.There is no chance in hell she would be elected potus.Thanks for playing though. Btw I love how palin is such a rogue patriot and wanted to ban some book's.Are you kidding me.Gosh darn it. This sum's it up nicely..... 3. "A whack job." a top McCain adviser describing Palin, one-upping the McCain adviser who called her a "diva

jed456

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Sarah Palin Stepping Down As Alaska Gov. Running for Pres. 2012? Posted: 11/15/2009 11:05:17 AM
Ohh, good, thank you, yes. Sarah Palin To Canadian prank phone caller who complimented her on the documentary about her life, Hustler's "Nailin Paylin," actually a porn movie starring a Sarah Palin lookalike, November 1, 2008. I would hope at least that those protesters have the courage and the honor of thanking our veterans for giving them the right to protest! Sarah Palin Confusing supporters at a campaign rally who had shouted "We can't hear you!" and "Louder!", Richmond, Va., October 13, 2008. They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan. Sarah Palin Speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco, October 5, 2008. Well, let's see. There's -- of course -- in the great history of America rulings there have been rulings. Sarah Palin Unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, October 1, 2008. All of 'em, any of 'em that have been in front of me over all these years. Sarah Palin Unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, October 1, 2008. As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border. Sarah Palin Explaining why Alaska's proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience for US vice-presidency, interview with CBS's Katie Couric, September 24, 2008. They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska. Sarah Palin On her foreign policy insights into Russia, ABC News interview, September 11, 2008. Nucular. Sarah Palin Mispronouncing the word "nuclear" twice, ABC News interview, September 11, 2008. Perhaps so. Sarah Palin Asked if America may need to go to war with Russia because of the Georgia crisis, ABC News interview, September 11, 2008. I have not, and I think if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you. Sarah Palin Asked if she had never met a foreign head of state, despite the fact that every US vice-president in the last 32 years had met a foreign head of state prior to taking office, ABC News interview, September 11, 2008. In what respect, Charlie? Sarah Palin Asked if she agreed with the Bush Doctrine, ABC News interview, September 11, 2008. What's the difference between a pitbull and a hockey mom? Lipstick. Sarah Palin Acceptance speech at 2008 Republican National Convention, on selection as party's vice-presidential candidate. Absolutely. Yup, yup. Sarah Palin Asked by People magazine if she was ready to be a heartbeat away from the presidency after being chosen to run for vice-presidency, August, 2008. I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that. Sarah Palin On $30 billion national gas pipeline project that she wanted built in Alaska, speaking to students the Wasilla Assembly of God, June 2008. Palin or her "ghost" writer is smart in one regard she quit and now is making millions.Other then that she is a joke! What would your response be if I asked you to remove some books from the collection? Sarah Palin Inquiring with Wasilla librarian Mary Ellen Emmons about banning books right after Palin took office as Mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, in 1996. But of course not her own.lmao

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Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers? Posted: 11/14/2009 1:07:12 AM
BTW Hasan is a U.S. citizen that is a fact so he will be tried most likely under the uniform code of military justice. Star-Telegram Richard Rosen, a Texas Tech University law professor and former staff judge advocate at Fort Hood, says that if Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan is prosecuted in the Fort Hood shooting spree, the case would likely be under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. The legal framework governs service members and is similar to state and federal criminal laws. How the process will likely unfold: Service members are read their rights if they are a suspect, a higher standard than under civilian law, which requires a Miranda warning on arrest. The suspect’s commander would "prefer charges" in the case, similar to an indictment. The commander would also recommend the disposition of the charges, likely trial by general court-martial. If Hasan is a suspect, he may undergo medical and mental evaluations before the preferral of charges. Mental incompetency could be raised as a defense during the proceedings. Before Hasan’s case could be referred to a general court-martial, it would be considered by an investigating office under Article 32 of the military code. The investigating officer would likely be a senior major or higher-ranking officer or an officer with legal training. The investigation is similar to a pretrial hearing. The Article 32 investigating officer would consider evidence, allow the defense to cross-examine witnesses and present its own evidence, and then decide whether to recommend a trial by court-martial. Hasan may be represented by a detailed military defense counsel, a military defense counsel of his choice (if available) or a civilian attorney at no expense to the government. Even if Hasan retains a civilian counsel, which he has apparently done, he can still retain the military defense counsel to help with the case. After consulting with his staff judge advocate, the installation commander would decide whether to refer the case to a general court-martial and whether it would be a death-penalty case. At an arraignment before the court-martial is convened, the accused can enter a plea of guilty or not guilty. If the matter is moved to a court-martial as a death-penalty case, a panel of at least 12 ranking officers (higher than the accused) would serve as a jury. A court-martial hearing is similar to a trial and presided over by a military judge. A general court-martial hears the most-serious crimes and can hand down sentences up to death. In this case, sentences by a court-martial can be appealed to the Army Court of Criminal Appeals, a three-judge military court. The next step would be an appeal before the Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces, a five-member civilian court in Washington, D.C. A defendant could then file a writ of certiorari to the Supreme Court. Additionally, a writ of habeas corpus could be filed. No service member sentenced to death under military justice has been executed since 1961. — Anthony Spangler

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Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers? Posted: 11/14/2009 12:58:11 AM
As soon as your labeled anti American,commie,ad nauseum there really is no reason to even attempt to debate with those of this thinking.This is an old tactic this is the McCarthyism crowd!But to the poster above good luck your attempting a rational debate with the irrational.But I do understand the attempt when you have certain people using this tactic it is always the right thing too stand up to lunacy! As for the topic if the shooter is found guilty I have no problem with the death penalty.

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Nobel Peace Prize Laureate confirms Faux News is NOT a news organization Posted: 11/11/2009 2:36:28 PM
I would have to agree.I am full supporter of free speech so fine let fox drone on.But what is scary is some people actually think they are a legitimate news organization.

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Nobel Peace Prize Laureate confirms Faux News is NOT a news organization Posted: 11/11/2009 1:53:23 PM
heh fair and balanced. www.thedailyshow.com/.../sean-hannity-uses-glenn-beck-s-protest-footage

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Is senator Graham calling it like it is? Posted: 11/4/2009 1:34:24 PM
Actually any hope comes from the moderates in this country from left and right.

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Is senator Graham calling it like it is? Posted: 11/4/2009 10:39:11 AM
Don't forget "freedom fries" Once you get the America love it or leave it or unamerican there is no debate thease people know what is right.Theres a commie hiding under every bush.

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Should the President render salutes to military personnel ? Posted: 11/3/2009 5:08:35 PM
Should the President render salutes to military personnel ? Yes it is a sign of respect.It's amazing even this has become a political issue on here.Imho its sad really.

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The New Jewish Lobby Posted: 11/3/2009 1:46:39 PM
there is no wrong doing by isreal, only arab crimes, isreal only defends herself, this post is anti semetic Both Israel and the Arabs,palestinians have committed crimes and atrocities toward each other.So that comment is asinine.Anti Semitic I haven't seen anything anti semitic.You want to see anti semitic go to stormfront or some other disgusting lunatic site.

jed456

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Is It Time to secede yet? Posted: 11/1/2009 4:27:41 PM
Is It Time to Secede Yet? From reality?Apparently some already have.

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Is senator Graham calling it like it is? Posted: 11/1/2009 4:11:06 PM
This Will never draw Independents I agree if the Republican party wants to cater to there far extreme right wing.They won't get any moderates or independents if anything there driving them away.That's not a way to win an election.

jed456

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Msg: 136 (view)

Is senator Graham calling it like it is? Posted: 11/1/2009 3:51:57 PM
You and your minion's on the left have no room to talk.You'r about as Tolerent as Osama Bin Laden. Complete and utter B.S.!So far your rant is to attack the "left" and" you know" According to you I read the daily kosNot to sure how you know this?By the way I don't.As yourself claiming to be a former moderate lmao thank god there are still some real moderate republicans out there.And is it some kind of delusion on your part that Obama is the messiah. I certainly don't think he is.I thought according to some extreme right wingers he was the Antichrist.Please folks make up your mind's.Take care sounds like you need it. Some tolerance.

jed456

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Msg: 128 (view)

Is senator Graham calling it like it is? Posted: 10/31/2009 9:34:57 AM
I know you accept everything the Daily Kos tells you as fact but maybe you should do some research. You know?I do not get my information from any one source so Im not sure How you "know". Here's a list of McCarthy's blacklist Nelson Algren, writer[47] Elmer Bernstein, composer and conductor[48] Leonard Bernstein, composer and conductor[49] Charlie Chaplin, actor and director[50] Aaron Copland, composer[49] Bartley Crum, attorney[51] Jules Dassin, director[52] Dolores del Río, actress[53] W. E. B. Du Bois, civil rights activist and author[54] Howard Fast, writer[55] John Garfield, actor[49] Lee Grant, actress[56] Dashiell Hammett, author[49] Elizabeth Hawes, clothing designer, author, equal rights activist[57] Lillian Hellman, playwright[49] Langston Hughes, writer[49] Sam Jaffe, actor[49] Garson Kanin, writer and director[49] Gypsy Rose Lee, actress and ecdysiast[49] Philip Loeb, actor[58] Joseph Losey, director[49] Burgess Meredith, actor[49] Arthur Miller, playwright and essayist[49] Zero Mostel, actor[49] J. Robert Oppenheimer, physicist, "father of the atomic bomb"[59] Dorothy Parker, writer[49] Linus Pauling, chemist, winner of two Nobel prizes[60] Martin Ritt, actor and director[61] Paul Robeson, actor, athlete, singer, writer, political and civil rights activist[62] Edward G. Robinson, actor[49] Waldo Salt, screenwriter[63] Pete Seeger, folk singer[49] Artie Shaw, jazz musician[49] William L. Shirer, journalist[49] Paul Sweezy, economist and founder-editor of Monthly Review[64] Tsien Hsue-shen, physicist[65] Orson Welles, actor, writer, and director[49 Some real dangerous people on there.lol As for the rest of your rant about liberals obviously you have McCarthyism down to a "science" {quote]Liberals love to whine and cry, McCarthyism, and feign outrage when confronted with the truth. It's why they run to the government and try and stifle free speech with Net Neutrality and The Fairness Doctrine. It's why their opinions always fail in the private sector because they're worthless. They need government support like with everything else. Any speech right of Mao for them is considered McCarthyism and treason. Since the time of McCarthy, the word McCarthyism has entered American speech as a general term for a variety of practices: aggressively questioning a person's patriotism, making poorly supported accusations, using accusations of disloyalty to pressure a person to adhere to conformist politics or to discredit an opponent, subverting civil rights in the name of national security, and the use of demagoguery are all often referred to as McCarthyism

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Is senator Graham calling it like it is? Posted: 10/30/2009 8:02:50 PM
Thank you dance I lean to the left sure but I am not in the crowd that thinks every single republican is evil.And theres some real loonies on the far left as well.But when you have a guy like beck distorting the truth and outright lying I call them out on it.And im sorry anyone who;s hero is McCarthy seriously need;s to read a history book.This is the guy who called Eisenhower a commie.And with no proof except slander and waving a piece of paper around destroyed many lives.

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Msg: 119 (view)

Is senator Graham calling it like it is? Posted: 10/30/2009 1:53:59 PM
2, Glenn Beck lied when he said recently that $1.4 million of stimulus momey was used to repair a door at Dyess AFB. The doors repaired were aircraft hangar doors and the cost was not $1.4 million. The cost was $246000 out of $1.4 million in repairs funding. 3. In June Beck lied when he said that the US was the ONLY country that had a natural birthright provision. Here is the list of other countries that do: http://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/… http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jun/1... 4. Glenn Beck lied when he said that the director of White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, "has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population." http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/… 5. Glenn Beck lied when he said that when users used the government's cash for clunker site they had to agree that their computers would become government property. http://www.snopes.com/computer/internet/clunkers.asp What are people completely nuts to take this guy seriously?

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Msg: 118 (view)

Is senator Graham calling it like it is? Posted: 10/30/2009 1:21:00 PM
1) 5/21/09 I originally wasn’t going to use this because it really doesn’t have to do with politics. I don’t want all the wing nuts to cry “they are liberals” etc just because of the people in it, which really has nothing to do with this. However, Beck is caught in an obvious lie, then his body language goes crazy (like when you’re caught in a lie), then he explains that he is not an investigative reporter, not a reporter, but a commentator who does not check facts at all. Those are his words … not mine. Why would someone go on air and smear someone for no good reason? What kind of jerk would do this? http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/05/21/glenn-… 2) 7/13/09 This next clip is Beck talking about Judge Sotomayor’s first day of conformation hearings for the Supreme Court. Keep in mind that the first day of the hearing consisted of opening statements by each member of the Senate Judiciary Committee and NO actual questioning … Beck obviously didn’t know or care that was the case before he began his bashing: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/14/beck… 3) 1/7/08 & 5/12/08 This next clip is HILIARIOUS! This is a funny look at Beck being anti-health care at CNN then at Fox, Beck, all of a sudden loves health care. What a hypocrite! It’s funny how the clip is done. Enjoy this one … its funny. http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/08/14/b… 4) 4/21/09 This is a clip from Beck’s radio show. In the midst of urging his listeners to cut down old trees for Earth Day, Glenn Beck argued that carbon dioxide is not poison. Beck asked, “How can carbon dioxide be poison when it is naturally occurring and trees need it to grow?” 3 Steps to Prove that CO2 is Poisonous : You will need a plastic bag, a role of tape, a friend (This test is also good for convincing your friends who don't believe that they need oxygen to survive). 1). Take the plastic bag, and put it over your head. (Note: Check the plastic bag for any holes before you place it over your head. The test will not work with a ripped or torn bag). 2). Have your friend securely tape the bag around your neck. (You could try to do this on your own, but it is much easier to have a friend do it for you). 3). Breathe normally. http://www.politicususa.com/en/Glenn-Bec… 5) 7/28/09 These clips show Beck’s racist comments against Obama... He has now lost over 40 sponsors because of these comments. Very Disturbing … how can some of you take this guy seriously or support him in these comments? The first clip is from a center right morning show (on MSNBC) and don’t even come with “they are left wing loons.” The Morning Joe show is NOT a lefty show and the host, Joe Scarborough, who was not there this particular day, is a Republican and the panel is very bipartisan. The second clip is the entire interview on Fox and Friends. I love how Beck can contradict himself in less than 10 seconds … “I’m not saying that he doesn’t like white people … I’m saying he has a problem … he has a … this guy is, I believe, a racist.” Nice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtwjrXhB1… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ndc2LX2u… 6) 2/12/09 & 9/21/07 This is hypocrisy at its finest. In this clip Glenn Beck slams Jesse Jackson, saying that calling Barack Obama white is a "racist statement". Beck called Barack Obama "very white" on his radio show on February 12th. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0tgvWxC_… 7) 1/22/09 Glenn Beck lies about Obama’s swearing in by saying, “I checked. We have never had a president sworn into office without a Bible.” The problem here is in 1901 Teddy Roosevelt did not use a bible, Lyndon Johnson used a Catholic missal aboard Air Force One after Kennedy’s assassination, and John Quincy Adams used a constitutional law book instead of the bible. In fact, reading up on the history of the Presidential oath reveals Beck a liar. First clip is Beck’s rant and the second link is on the history of the oath. http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/22/glen… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_off… 8) 9/12 rally Here Beck is on Fox and Friends quoting the university of “I don’t remember,” saying the 9/12 crowd was around 1.7 million people. Meanwhile all independent analysts, like the local fire department, put the crowd at the 9/12 Fox rally at around 50,000 to 70,000, which is more than generous. Beck is caught in another lie! http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/… Again, you can find video evidence of beck being beck ... that's all you need! Source(s): yahoo answers only allow 10 links .... I had more! My favorite Beck bash is done by Olbermann on countdown http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzjS0Eufx… 1 month ago Enjoy! Extra! June 2009 Glenn Beck Is No Howard Beale He’s mad like a Fox, and wants to take us in By Steve Rendall Fox News’ latest sensation Glenn Beck has invited comparisons of himself to Howard Beale, the barking-mad TV host in 1976’s black comedy Network, who urged viewers to throw open their windows and shout, “I’m as mad as hell and I’m not going to take this anymore.” Beck recently told the New York Times (3/30/09): “I think that’s the way people feel. That’s the way I feel.” Beck has even played clips of Beale’s scenes on his show (Beck, 3/23/09). Declaring one’s kinship with a fictional TV host famous for undergoing an on-air emotional disintegration would not normally recommend one to anchor a real national television news show. But Beck is on Fox. And Beck is not entirely unlike the deranged Beale; both men describe the world in paranoid and apocalyptic terms while attempting to play on populist sentiment. But Beale, even in full-fledged madness, could still be relied upon to occasionally say something truthful and worthwhile. It’s unlikely that Beck would ever choose to speak truth to power the way Beale did when he learned that his cynical network was being bought by an even larger and more cynical conglomerate: And when the 12th largest company in the world controls the most awesome goddamn propaganda force in the whole godless world, who knows what shit will be peddled for truth on this network! Indeed, Beck’s jumble of false, contradictory and disingenuous commentary in the service of corporate power seems precisely the kind of programming Beale envisioned in his worst nightmares. The Beale comparisons began after Beck jumped from CNN Headline News to his current job at Fox. Through years as a talk radio host and then Headline News anchor, Beck had been more or less faithful to the standard hard-right, GOP-aligned politics of conservative talk radio—he is well-practiced in such obligatory skills as immigrant-bashing, warmongering and Islamophobia (Extra!, 11–12/08)—though his embrace of violent rhetoric and fascist imagery has always put him at the extreme end of the talk radio spectrum. Beck’s record includes fantasizing about strangling Michael Moore with his bare hands, seeing Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D.-Ohio) “burst into flames” (AlterNet, 11/21/08) and warning that “Muslims will see the West through razor wire if things don’t change” (CNN Headline News, 9/5/06). But since his Fox launch, Beck has recast himself as a populist who eschews both major parties. In a profile about his new show, Beck exclaimed to the New York Times (3/30/09), “Whatever happened to the country that loved the underdog and stood up for the little guy?’’ Along with his populist pretensions, the new Glenn Beck promotes ultra-right conspiracy theories and other apocalyptic and paranoid scenarios. For instance, Beck suggests Barack Obama is a “Manchurian candidate” because he uses a teleprompter (like virtually every other modern politician): “Who’s writing every word for this man?...We have a fraud in office, at least that’s the way it feels to me” (Think Progress, 3/25/09). Beck has also suggested (Fox & Friends, 3/3/09) that the current government is taking us down the road to “socialism, totalitarianism, beyond your wildest dreams.” Beck cited as evidence the Birchite rumor that FEMA facilities were being converted to concentration camps: “I wanted to debunk them,” said Beck (Fox & Friends, 3/2/09). “We’ve now for several days done research on them. I can’t debunk them!” (Beck later renounced his support for the rumor and took credit for debunking it—Beck, 4/6/09.) What’s more, this mad hash of right-wing populist paranoia is delivered in an urgent, hyper-emotional style, occasionally interrupted by the host’s weeping. “I’m sorry,” he cried on his March 13 You Are Not Alone special. “I just love my country. And I fear for it.” That special, he said, was about unifying Americans in the spirit of “9/12,” a reference to the way Beck says we all came together the day after the September 11 attacks. Beck seems to have forgotten that his warm and fuzzy feeling on September 12, 2001 turned fairly quickly to loathing, as he admitted on his radio show on September 9, 2005: “You know it took me about a year to start hating the 9/11 victims’ families?” But the entire premise of Beck’s show is to divide the country through the routine use of “us and them” dichotomies. “It seems like the voices of our leaders and special interests and the media [are] surrounding us,” said Beck during the special. But “the truth is,” he said, “they don’t surround us. We surround them. This is our country.” The program played on popular economic fears and resentment over having to pay for corporate bailouts, framed in a larger portrait of a world in chaos: “It just seems like the whole world is spinning out of control,” said Beck. “War. Islamic extremism. Europe on the brink. Even pirates now.” But don’t look to the government, he warned: “Our government is supposed to work for us. But it hasn’t heard us in a long time.” The anti-government disdain that pervades his programs is “not about politics,” says Beck. “You’ve been concerned about this country through the last administration and this administration—if you’re like most people, both administrations.” Beck’s claim that Americans feel betrayed by both the Bush and Obama administrations is one of the central lies at the core of his show—and not just because “most people” approve of Obama. (An April 1–5 CBS News/New York Times poll found Obama with an approval rating of 66 percent—exactly three times Bush’s historically dismal 22 percent approval rating poll upon leaving office.) More disingenuously, Beck clearly doesn’t believe in his own “pox on both their houses” bit. If he did, his show wouldn’t be a regular, friendly stop for former Bush officials, boosters and prominent neoconservatives. In his short run, Beck has already hosted Bush alumni Alberto Gonzales, John Bolton, Karl Rove and John Yoo. Other GOP and neoconservative stalwarts who have already appeared more than once in the show’s first few weeks include Rudolph Giuliani, Ann Coulter, Jonah Goldberg, Byron York, Michelle Malkin and David Horowitz. While Beck lobs softballs to Bushies, Obama and his administration come under unrelenting, if frequently nutty, attacks. In one monologue (4/1/09), Beck raised right-wing fears about how “they” or “the government” were “going to nationalize our banks…put the government in charge of private payrolls…move to nationalize our auto industry.” He concluded that his earlier assessments of the nation’s ills had been wrong: “Our government is not marching down the road towards communism or socialism.… They’re marching us to a brand of nonviolent fascism, or to put in another way, they’re marching us towards 1984—‘Big Brother,’ he’s watching.” This monologue took place over a video backdrop of thousands of Nazis marching under swastika banners. Beck was careful to say of his anti-government charges, “It doesn’t matter which administration we have in office.” But it obviously matters to him. If there is any evidence that Beck ever suggested, while the Bush administration was still in power, that it was “socialist,” “communist,” “fascist” or marching toward totalitarianism, we are unable to find it—even if he seems perfectly willing to throw the former president under the proverbial bus in the current, expedient moment. It’s much the same with Beck’s populism. Subjects like poverty, homelessness and low wages don’t even register as concerns on his show, which regularly features friendly interviews with champions of the corporate elite, including Stephen Moore, Amity Shales, Arthur Laffer and Ben Stein. The “populist” Beck attacked foreclosure victims at the top of his You Are Not Alone special and complained that the United States had “the second-highest corporate tax rate in the world.” If the anti-tax “tea parties”—with their mixture of populist rhetoric and corporate advocacy (Think Progress, 4/14/09), their lip-service to a bipartisan critique and their actual fidelity to the Republican Party—bear more than a passing resemblance to Beck’s new formula, that’s no coincidence. Beck’s influence over this movement has been substantial, and he tirelessly promoted the “tea party” events on his radio and TV programs. (The tea parties were brought up in 22 of his TV shows from February 20 through the day of the protests, April 15—when Beck did his show live from a tea party at the Alamo.) With few exceptions, what Beck’s various campaigns and positions have in common is an antagonism toward the Obama administration, the Democratic establishment and anyone to their left. This is not only clear in the way Beck identifies with corporate interests and Bush stalwarts; his approach was made clear in an L.A. Times interview (3/6/09) in which he said Roger Ailes told him, “The country faced tough times…and Fox News was one of the only news outlets willing to challenge the new administration.” “I see this as the Alamo,” Ailes said, according to Beck. “If I just had somebody who was willing to sit on the other side of the camera until the last shot is fired, we’d be fine.” Poor Howard Beale, on the other hand, was eventually taken to the woodshed by his boss, who ranted at him: You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I won’t have it! Is that clear? You think you’ve merely stopped a business deal. That is not the case.... There are no nations. There are no peoples.... There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of dollars. Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, reichmarks, rins, rubles, pounds and shekels. Following the scolding, Beale lost his edge and his ratings, and was eventually murdered on orders of network executives—with a narrator darkly intoning over the image of his lifeless body lying on the set, “This was the story of Howard Beale: The first known instance of a man who was killed because he had lousy ratings.”

jed456

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Msg: 116 (view)

Is senator Graham calling it like it is? Posted: 10/30/2009 1:02:08 PM
It is interesting that all the attacks on Glen Beck have nothing to do with the information he is giving. Actually it is misinformation. The complaint must be that he shouldn't have the right to say anything not approved by Obama. Why not try answering the questions he is asking? The Obamanation can't because it is true. No he has every right to free speech.People also have the right to point out when he is distorting or outright lying.I would have a hard time believing anything beck has to say. Putting avowed communists and Mao enthusiests in the white house is definately the opposite of patriotic. It borders on treason If the left don't want to be labelled unpatriotic, maybe they shouldn't act so anti-american. Glenn beck is the new Joseph McCarthy read up on beck's heroes and then come back and speak about who is being patriotic. As for "a Marxist despot nation" Thorazine comes to mind hopefully some of you will up your dose. Here well help you out on beck and his heroes.... What has Beck been pushing on his legions? "Leap," first published in 1981, is a heavily illustrated and factually challenged attempt to explain American history through an unspoken lens of Mormon theology. As such, it is an early entry in the ongoing attempt by the religious right to rewrite history. Fundamentalists want to define the United States as a Christian nation rather than a secular republic, and recast the Founding Fathers as devout Christians guided by the Bible rather than deists inspired by French and English philosophers. "Leap" argues that the U.S. Constitution is a godly document above all else, based on natural law, and owes more to the Old and New Testaments than to the secular and radical spirit of the Enlightenment. It lists 28 fundamental beliefs -- based on the sayings and writings of Moses, Jesus, Cicero, John Locke, Montesquieu and Adam Smith -- that Skousen says have resulted in more God-directed progress than was achieved in the previous 5,000 years of every other civilization combined. The book reads exactly like what it was until Glenn Beck dragged it out of Mormon obscurity: a textbook full of aggressively selective quotations intended for conservative religious schools like Utah's George Wythe University, where it has been part of the core freshman curriculum for decades (and where Beck spoke at this year's annual fundraiser). But more interesting than the contents of "The 5,000 Year Leap," and more revealing for what it says about 912ers and the Glenn Beck Nation, is the book's author. W. Cleon Skousen was not a historian so much as a player in the history of the American far right; less a scholar of the republic than a threat to it. At least, that was the judgment of J. Edgar Hoover's FBI, which maintained a file on Skousen for years that eventually totaled some 2,000 pages. Before he died in 2006 at the age of 92, Skousen's own Mormon church publicly distanced itself from the foundation that Skousen founded and that has published previous editions of "The 5,000 Year Leap." As Beck knows, to focus solely on "The 5,000 Year Leap" is to sell the author short. When he died in 2006 at the age of 92, Skousen had authored more than a dozen books and pamphlets on the Red Menace, New World Order conspiracy, Christian child rearing, and Mormon end-times prophecy. It is a body of work that does much to explain Glenn Beck's bizarre conspiratorial mash-up of recent months, which decries a new darkness at noon and finds strange symbols carefully coded in the retired lobby art of Rockefeller Center. It also suggests that the modern base of the Republican Party is headed to a very strange place. Or perhaps this will help..... http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

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Msg: 87 (view)

Afghan Deaths Increase - deadliest month in Afghan war Posted: 10/29/2009 2:33:56 PM
He needs to quit the finger pointing and become the commander in chief. This should not be about politics. It should be about conducting a war. Dithering just sends the message that Americans lack the will to win and emboldens our enemies. 1. He is the commandeer in chief regardless of what you think. 2.No it should not be about politics but the usual three individuals are making it so. 3. It is a dark grainy video of the president paying his respect to fallen Americans.You people would complain if there was no video,give me a break! 4.Im done here .

jed456

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Msg: 85 (view)

Afghan Deaths Increase - deadliest month in Afghan war Posted: 10/29/2009 2:22:04 PM
Use of the soldiers, especially after all these months in office as a Photo Op is really kind of disgusting on the President's part. This is even more disgusting when Obama seems to have had no cares about them prior, even to the point of going the gym while in Germany versus visiting the soldiers who where in the hospital. Whats disgusting is some criticizing the president for having the compassion to acknowledge those who lost there lives.I have read some pretty petty posts on here but this leaves me almost speechless.

jed456

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Msg: 78 (view)

Afghan Deaths Increase - deadliest month in Afghan war Posted: 10/29/2009 12:45:21 PM
At least at the rate he is going he will get the chance to take lots of pictures with Flag covered coffins Amazing you have a problem with the president having a picture taken with fellow dead Americans?The hatred is mind boggling!Perhaps it would be better if its hidden you know the dead coming back in the middle of the night with no one to welcome them you have a problem with a president regardless of party showing respect to the dead?Unreal "dude"

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Msg: 63 (view)

Van Jones resigns... Posted: 10/28/2009 2:25:59 PM
Lol Remember jack purity of essence. Pesky commies. And it is sad that you have people who actually listen to beck who takes his playbook from Joseph McCarthy.Some people you would hope learn from history.Guess what kids?A drunk who accuses The Obama administration as being the new politburo and many other's as card carrying communist's sounds familiar doesn't it.And becks hero W.Cleon skousen What has Beck been pushing on his legions? "Leap," first published in 1981, is a heavily illustrated and factually challenged attempt to explain American history through an unspoken lens of Mormon theology. As such, it is an early entry in the ongoing attempt by the religious right to rewrite history. Fundamentalists want to define the United States as a Christian nation rather than a secular republic, and recast the Founding Fathers as devout Christians guided by the Bible rather than deists inspired by French and English philosophers. "Leap" argues that the U.S. Constitution is a godly document above all else, based on natural law, and owes more to the Old and New Testaments than to the secular and radical spirit of the Enlightenment. It lists 28 fundamental beliefs -- based on the sayings and writings of Moses, Jesus, Cicero, John Locke, Montesquieu and Adam Smith -- that Skousen says have resulted in more God-directed progress than was achieved in the previous 5,000 years of every other civilization combined. The book reads exactly like what it was until Glenn Beck dragged it out of Mormon obscurity: a textbook full of aggressively selective quotations intended for conservative religious schools like Utah's George Wythe University, where it has been part of the core freshman curriculum for decades (and where Beck spoke at this year's annual fundraiser). But more interesting than the contents of "The 5,000 Year Leap," and more revealing for what it says about 912ers and the Glenn Beck Nation, is the book's author. W. Cleon Skousen was not a historian so much as a player in the history of the American far right; less a scholar of the republic than a threat to it. At least, that was the judgment of J. Edgar Hoover's FBI, which maintained a file on Skousen for years that eventually totaled some 2,000 pages. Before he died in 2006 at the age of 92, Skousen's own Mormon church publicly distanced itself from the foundation that Skousen founded and that has published previous editions of "The 5,000 Year Leap." As Beck knows, to focus solely on "The 5,000 Year Leap" is to sell the author short. When he died in 2006 at the age of 92, Skousen had authored more than a dozen books and pamphlets on the Red Menace, New World Order conspiracy, Christian child rearing, and Mormon end-times prophecy. It is a body of work that does much to explain Glenn Beck's bizarre conspiratorial mash-up of recent months, which decries a new darkness at noon and finds strange symbols carefully coded in the retired lobby art of Rockefeller Center. It also suggests that the modern base of the Republican Party is headed to a very strange place.

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Msg: 41 (view)

Nobel Peace Prize Laureate confirms Faux News is NOT a news organization Posted: 10/27/2009 6:16:24 PM
I hope you are not calling my title misleading??? Not at all most people recognize this.Except the indoctrinated.

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Rep. Charles Rangel Fails to Pay Taxes Due Posted: 10/27/2009 6:11:52 PM
Throw the bum out.How's that for being non partisan.

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Msg: 38 (view)

Nobel Peace Prize Laureate confirms Faux News is NOT a news organization Posted: 10/27/2009 12:46:57 PM
Nobel Peace Prize Laureate confirms Faux News is NOT a news organization It doesn't take a Noble prize laureate to confirm this!

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Van Jones resigns... Posted: 10/25/2009 9:31:45 PM
Yet another example of Fox swallowers. Yep fox follower's should read about another "great American"joseph McCarthy famous for rooting out all the commies in the government. Glenn Beck Goes Full Joe McCarthy On his Fox News show, Beck scribbled a giant chalk diagram indicating that President Obama is somehow surrounded by Marxists and Communists who are plotting to transform America into the next Soviet Union. But as Dave Neiwert points out, many of the organizations that Beck is targeting are actively petitioning Beck's advertisers. In other words, this has less to do with any actual plot and more to do with Beck guarding his own ass. By going full Joe McCarthy. A really crazy McCarthy with a punch-me face. To paraphrase Tropic Thunder, everybody knows you never go full Joe McCarthy. So keep an eye and ear open when you hear thease so called patriot's going on there commie hunt's In a 1950 speech, McCarthy entered the public spotlight by claiming that communists had "infested" the State Department, dramatically waving a sheet of paper which purportedly contained the traitors' names. A special Senate committee investigated the charges and found them groundless. Unfazed, McCarthy used his position to wage a relentless anti-communist crusade, denouncing numerous public figures and holding a series of highly confrontational hearings. With little if any proof of his charges, McCarthy relied on accusation, slander and innuendo to tarnish his opponents' reputations (a practice now known as "McCarthyism"). In 1954, televised hearings allowed millions to view McCarthy's methods for the first time, sparking a public backlash and official censure. He died at the age of 49 of complications related to alcoholism. SOURCES: Cambridge Dictionary of American Biography; Encyclopedia of American Biography.

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Man to be executed after jury consulted bible to decide fate Posted: 10/21/2009 12:19:40 PM
These attitudes that fall under the term that's been coined as "Neo Con" are the worst thing to happen to media, the Republican Party, and to America in the history of each. I agree and I understand the message you were getting across.When you have people disagreeing in this country and there branded as anti American commies etc there is no rational way to discuss anything IMHO with these people. Just look at some of the post's on this thread.Unbelievable!

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Msg: 96 (view)

Man to be executed after jury consulted bible to decide fate Posted: 10/21/2009 10:00:10 AM
I find it ironic that in this case it is those "Liberals" arguing more for an America like the one envisioned by the Founding Fathers even if it is my opinion many aren't understanding this issue as it pertains to the Constitution or any implied separation of church and state. In fact, I've never heard a Liberal or Conservative be "un-American" by simply voicing their views on how America can be what they think is a better America. Any time I hear someone refer to anyone as un-American for voicing their views which is entirely American, then that person is irrelevant. Well said!

jed456

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Msg: 65 (view)

Neoconservatives decry execution of Iraq war Posted: 10/15/2009 6:38:08 AM
They may have been supportive in the War effort but Forum Canadians love nothing more than to Bash Americans What is being bashed is the Bush administration. Unless the population of the United States has declined somewhat, the Bush administration is not all of the Americans in the US and abroad. I am an American and I have found Canadians in general have a problem with the bush administration not your average Americans.Although after reading some of the posts of my fellow Americans,. I really hope the rest of the world doesn't think the majority are of this line of "thinking".I now see where the term of the "ugly American" comes from.

jed456

Joined: 4/26/2005

Msg: 47 (view)

Neoconservatives decry execution of Iraq war Posted: 10/14/2009 11:26:30 AM
If they are hiding in caves, bomb the caves. If they are hiding in villages, give the them 48 hours to cough them up or bomb the village. If the people in the village are shielding the terrorists, then they need to be put on notice. So if the bad guys aren't coughed up bomb the village?lovely. We had to fight the Iraq war because of those ineffective and innumerable UN sanctions. Threats of action are only effective if they are actually followed up by action Iraq if you recall was over wmds gee wonder what happened there.Then it was regime change.The bush administration tried to connect in some insane way Iraq with 9 11. Cheney himself during the first gulf war said invading Iraq proper would be a quagmire! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZM Revisionist history at it's best.But it has been an interesting discussion to say the least.

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