This is nuts...I wanted get married at 20 so I could get on with my life with someone. It was always the women that couldn't commit.

Why do you believe those professional people committ to marrige in that large proportion?

Bullshit fallacy.

...http://www.vasectomymedical.com/vasectomy-reversal-success-rates.html

It's reversible.

That's why they are not doing it en mass.

... are we damaging our social skills?

...Of course the consequences [of pregnancy] are greater to mothers than fathers

...keep it nice and slow, that will weed out or help the hampsters grow up a tad.

Basically, is the pollution debate centering around carbon dioxide as a bait and switch to ignore real toxic chemicals?

Carbon dioxide is about as toxic as water, meaning its not toxic.

Shouldn't negating toxic chemicals be the primary concern when it comes to reducing pollution, while negating carbon dioxide emissions being a secondary concern?

rich middle-class men?

Seriously (and with respect), that cross you're carrying sounds awfully heavy...

If I were considering a relationship with someone, I'd want to know something about their previous relationship. Specially if that relationship was with a convicted criminal.

So in closing let me ask one more time what about the guys?

Oh but wait, let me guess, you probably want the hooker to pay YOU....right?

It is so easy now for men to get that little clip ... and have it reversed when you are ready for children

...I ultimately want a l0ng term relationship but the reason I changed it was because people I met wanted to go entirely too fast emotionally as well as physically.
No matter what people on this site seem to want something official immediately. They'll try to mark their territory, talk about deleting their profile, even trying to kiss on the 1st date which happens every time... yada yada yada

A consent to sex by a man, is no more an agreement to make a baby, than consent by a woman to have sex, is an agreement to make a baby.

Instead of asking women to carry the full burden of responsibility of the decisions that THEY ultimately make with THEIR bodies, it's tell the men to keep it in their pants.

Bottom line, if men are afraid that sex is gonna saddle them with a financial responsibility for a child, then they can either do without sex, submit themselves to a sterilization procedure, or have sex in some way that there is no risk of pregnancy...

It's confusing, any ideas on what makes a man pull away!

WHY are you asking this?

I managed to turn out a bit differently than most guys

I try to educate other guys, but most don't want to learn.

If I am buying dvd, clothes, etc it is with MY money.

But that’s just it, Verity; men do marry. And the ones most likely to wed are the ones that theoretically have the most to lose. I’ve demonstrated that in my previous posts. Take professionals, physicians, attorneys, etc. beyond a certain age you’d be hard pressed to find many single ones. ... I travel in these circles of professionals and most of the men are married; a great number of them to stay at home wives, not necessarily with young children at home.

A woman who gives birth to a child and who walks away = ABANDONS her child is not only as vilified, she is normally MORE vilified than the millions of men who walk away en masse everyday. That is not a lie, it's a FACT.

...you wander if there are any nice genuine guys out there

I worked with a man that had a sex harrassment suit filed against him. Puzzled he made an appointment to talk with the HR officer. The complaint read, "I overheard Mr.... tell a female co-worker that he had to have it in the morning, he even woke up thinking about it. I found his comments disgusting & it made me feel uncomfortable."

His reply coffee, we were talking about coffee!!

Just curious....but was there a corresponding study done using women's picture and salaries?

but could you address also the fact that many men reject women who "have conformed to what men want from them" for earning too much... thus labeling us "too independent" for a relationship?

Newman v. Newman, 653 P.2d 728 (Colo. Sup. Ct. 1982) and Osborne v. Osborne, 428 N.E. 2d 810 (Mass. 1981) are part of a growing trend to allow couples to stabilize their obligations.

It is easier/less time consuming to ask "who hasn't had one?"

She probably just likes you a lot and you arent used to it.

As for the subject. No sense weighing in on this one... nothing is going to change

Some statistics show divorced men are eight times more likely than divorced women to commit suicide.

And men without wives are twice as likely to suffer depression and heart attacks.

Yeah guys, you do fare better financially... (repeated twice so we wouldn't miss it)

at least the women who want the man to treat are honest ... the men will NEVER say they prefer to date a woman with more money, more successful job than they have.

I saw an informal study...

So my advice to men...

how that part is changing, and now a man ISN'T just his earning potential (to most women), and can actually pick and choose his own wife--or even choose NEVER to marry?

These are interesting articles written BY men acknowledging its a pr0blem:

men these days are FOOKIN' lazy as hell... in sheer hours worked, they work a LOT less than their fathers and grandfathers did. Men also partake in much more leisure activities than women.... both in time and monetarily.

IE: Blue Collar jobs for the most part, that a married man is preferred OVER a single man.

if the men were so spectacular, why aren't they taken?

I had to talk for almost an hour, the question was " whats it like being single?"

Indeed, but you should not think women or feminist all fall into the same camp and share the same beliefs.

There are feminists who knew not to throw out the baby with the bathwater. That recognize there are some institutions that can be REFORMED without being altogether discarded. Marriage is one of those.

My main point to this thread is to make guy's (well everyone over 40) AWARE that we don't really have a ton of time to get this thing right.

So when is it the right time to tell a girl how you feel?

Sure, I could be advised to flirt, but I'm SO BAD at it!