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Thread: What is it with girls in their 20s
Evenor
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What is it with girls in their 20s
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6/14/2008 11:29:42 AM
Women don't mature any faster than men do. If you read furthur into studies it's individual based not by gender. As for maturity in general and the sex factor... women think about sex just as much as the men do, just women tend to keep it quiet where as a guy tends to be more open and accepting about it. Society tends to shame women especially for it, and surprisingly enough it's more of other women coming out with the names and shaming women who are open about sex than many of the guys do. My personal opinion, people seem to start settling down in general at about age 25 after a few years running around trying to get a handle on their hormones from their teenage years.
Evenor
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Are there any men looking for true love for a lifetime?
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5/2/2008 9:16:20 PM
Oh yes but I have yet to meet anyone available who actually knows what it means to truly love someone. Yet you can't stereotype guys or anyone like that if you never even met the person. I've felt plenty used myself as many have so your story is not that uncommon. Just follow your heart...
Evenor
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BEING FAITHFULL OR IS THIS STUPID
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5/2/2008 9:02:35 PM
First OP there's nothing "wrong" with you not frequenting sex. Many who do run around frequently engaging in sex has no clue what sex is all about anyway and they will continue running around unfulfilled no matter how many "hot" people they sleep with. Do say though in my personal opinion, if you are in a relationship, you are in THAT relationship. If you are looking elsewhere, then go elsewhere. You say the kids already understand... so if your heart lies elsewhere then go. Though I would try to see if there could be anything done first to salvage the marriage as you both seem like you are getting along decent enough...
Evenor
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I feel as if I'm the last of a dying breed
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5/2/2008 8:56:51 PM
I believe in that OP, yet I also believe that a woman should return the love, trust, respect, courtesies, etc that she expects for a truly equal relationship...
Evenor
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Do Guys Like Women Who Speak Their Minds?
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5/2/2008 8:55:03 PM
Yes it's very nice to have a woman with her own mind to bring her interesting life into the relationship, just as long as she's not using it as some ego thing constantly trying to put down others so she can feel more, or if she's trying to use it as a way to manipulate others by telling them all the time how she thinks they "should" be....
Evenor
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Guys, is it true you have only these 3 basic needs?
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5/2/2008 8:48:56 PM
Well OP those guys were just stereotyping and doesn't include the vast majority of us. Yet from my experience of people I know and have been acquainted with, the guys had a tendency to be really simple in pleasing because most weren't picky. Like for instance, most guys didn't seem to care as much about what a woman was wearing as long as she was comfortable in it herself, whereas the women had a tendency to put alot of focus on what they were wearing. Yet this is just from the people I've met...
Evenor
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what person does this?
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5/2/2008 8:43:49 PM
Well often they are afraid of being left hurting and alone if they actually follow their hearts. Sometimes there is something "bad" happening in a relationship and the only way they know how to "escape" it is to pretend the "bad" experience is all the other person's fault, even if it means outright picking the fight to get the "bad" experience they are looking for as a reason to leave the relationship. It also relieves them of taking responsibility for their own part in the "bad" experience. So just follow your heart and don't give a second thought to your fears...
Evenor
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A penetration challenge...
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5/2/2008 8:33:45 PM
Well would have to say to some people sex is more important to them than just some quick fix orgasm. Maybe seeking more of a spiritual connection before actually having sex. If you notice, sex is more fulfilling with someone you really love... So he may be deciding just to wait until marriage because sex tends to make complications for some people...
Evenor
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are some girls too caught up in looking for the perfect man?
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5/2/2008 8:29:26 PM
I believe many people keep looking for people with the "right amount" of money as a major value for the relationships. If everyone waited until everything was "just right/perfect" then hardly anyone would be in any relationships. Things constantly change, it is life and the base of who we are so those "perfect" situations come, go, and come again...
Evenor
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woman's sincerity at relationships
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5/2/2008 8:25:08 PM
Would have to say sincerity in general though because alot of people in this country just don't seem to care beyond themselves, and many turned into little more than users in relationships. And in some cases such acts is considered "right" to use and lose people...
Evenor
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The Way to Snag a Man...
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5/2/2008 1:42:16 PM
Well first off OP, I would have to disagree with the "all men are pigs just out for sex" lines. For one there are just as many women who like sex just as much as those men. Two, it's playing games like that which is increasing the rate of relationship failures in this country as elsewhere in the world. People are just getting tired of games these days just to even get to sit down and talk with the opposite gender. Almost getting to the point where all they want in relationships any more on both sides is just sex, because everything else is becoming a real headache for most people. Many say they know what love and relationships really are, yet very few truly know. So many people spend time trying to manipulate others into being what they believe the other person "should" be and not what they want for themselves. ...
Evenor
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is there faithful or decent men out there
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5/2/2008 1:19:05 PM
Yes there IS some "faithful" and "decent" men out there. Yet often why is it women often want to go for the "bad boy" over the "decent" guy then keep wondering all the while why their relationships aren't working out? Often those "decent" men have been in front of you the whole time yet he keeps getting overlooked. I have a female friend that would rather be with a guy who belittles her until he gets what he wants, lets his jealousy run off most of her friends and making her have to lie about being with those she does still have so he can appear as "the only one that truly cares for her", hits her... , family doesn't like her and he said he chooses his family over her every time, and 8 years later (not married) she still keeps running back to him swearing she "loves" him and he "loves" her. Always come crying or angry to me when things get rough. Then gets mad at me telling her she might be better off finding someone, anyone else besides him. And I've seen this quite a few times so why is it that there are women who would choose someone "bad" like that over a "decent" guy?
Evenor
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What makes a man stop writing?
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5/2/2008 1:08:11 PM
What makes a woman stop writing? Always promising to write later, yet never do. And begging to hang out quite a few times...
Evenor
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What is the best way to give a man 'his space'?
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5/2/2008 1:06:21 PM
I have a really good question brought up in a relationship issue. Is it too much to ask of anyone to sit down either write an email or call for 5 minutes once a week just to say "Hi" and let them know how you are doing? Even on the busiest days a person can have I wouldn't think it would be so much to ask especially if it's only once a week for a few minutes. Yet I was being made out to be a "bad" guy because I asked for 5 minutes once a week which was no where near the 3 hour-a-day phonecalls I saw some people in the forums writing about...
Evenor
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what would you do?
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4/30/2008 11:12:24 AM
Well OP my advice to you is not listening to your friends. Since most likely she isn't dating your friends, they have no room to talk. Personally don't agree with the situation as it seems that she is using you for little more than material gain and using sex every once in a while as a way to return the courtesy. Yet follow your own heart in the matter because no one can really know what's truly "best" for another person. Even if it is "better" what is suggested, the person may not be ready for such...
Evenor
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No More Why Me
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4/30/2008 11:07:30 AM
Very true OP. The world around you is ultimately a reflection of what's inside. For instance, you can do all the exercising you want to "get in shape", yet if you don't change on the inside it won't help no matter what you do... We are ALL the ultimate creators of our own experiences reguardless of the circumstances. And it's a very difficult thing sometimes to accept such truth when we see ourselves as a "victim" of everyone/everything else. Fore you cannot change what you were unwilling to hold in your own hands to begin with...
Evenor
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How Can I Tell When a Man is Serious About Me?
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4/30/2008 11:02:16 AM
Well OP even a friend can find you attractive without wanting to experience any furthur relationship with you. Yet feel what you know about him in your heart...
Evenor
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Sex drive plummets while relationship soars...HELP!
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4/30/2008 11:00:42 AM
If you are both truly in love, then you may reach the point where one or both of you can get more of that feeling of ecstasy outside the bedroom just by being around one another. Yet if someone is really focused only on one source of receiving such, it may be quite difficult to receive it any other source...
Evenor
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Falling in love in five months
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4/30/2008 10:57:39 AM
Well OP don't sweat it. You have all different kinds of people that have their own opinion of the "right" time being together. Some say it might take a year before you truly know... others you can know right away. The only way you do know is that you feel it deep down that you love them and they love you, and you don't even require to be told "I love you" because you just know. So it depends on the situation. It's quite common that people get into a relationship and come to a point realizing that the words "I love you" take on whole new meaning. Then as soon as they state their love, often fear of loss of that love comes in. And if you keep focusing on those fears then you will end up attracting those very experiences you fear into the relationship.
Solution: Don't give a second thought to anything you don't want to experience and you won't end up attracting those fears into your relationship... At this point if you are really planning on staying together for the long haul, then reassure him that you aren't going anywhere. This will help ease both of your worries...
Evenor
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Workable pickup lines to use on a guy
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4/29/2008 2:12:07 AM
Has a woman ever walked up to you in the middle of a store, or in the park, or at the coffee shop.....and struck up a conversation with you? If so, what was her opening line?
One out of many women in my life time actually came up to me and started a conversation. Turned out she just wanted to sleep with me as a one night stand so had to lose her fast. Personal opinion is that one-night-stands are ultimately a waste of my time because I want a woman for the long run that is actually willing to be apart of a meaningful relationship. Maybe I'm just weird like that ladies...
Evenor
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The image you have of yourself...
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4/29/2008 2:05:46 AM
That's it. Some men seem to have this skewed vision of themselves because THEY MADE IT SO.
Some women rely on others to give her a vision of herself, thereby never forming one for
herself.... and always going by what others think or feel about her.
Stupid girls. I'm with Stuart Smalley on this one.... "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and gosh darnit, people like me!"
Hey, wait a minute....
Is it really "skewed" for someone to have a good self image that doesn't rely on everyone else's perceptions of them. Because even if you were perfect, there would always be someone there to find something they would point out as a flaw so they can feel better about themselves by making you appear "less" to them. So it doesn't help to try to get a sense of self through others because you will have to be constantly changing to suit what everyone else thinks you "should" be and not what you want to be... I personally am not here to be manipulated by others into what they think I "should" be just so they can project their inadequacies on someone else using such creative words as "sacrafice" or claiming that the person who has a good sense of self is "egotistical", such creative words for them to hide as what they percieve as their own "flaws". Personally don't need anyone else's approval to tell me who and what I am wheather "good" or "bad"...
Evenor
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about live 1 year and sex issues
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4/29/2008 1:45:36 AM
Could be waiting for marriage. Though I would otherwise expect something to happen around 3 months into the relationship at the latest if it's an actual relationship and not just some living arrangement. I have a woman best friend I sleep with like that without sexual stuff. It's nice just having her there....
Evenor
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Do Women enjoy men looking when they weare low cut tops?
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4/29/2008 1:42:37 AM
My best friend decided she wanted to progress the relationship a bit by out-of-the-blue taking her shirt off just to show me she had pink nipples... redheads
Evenor
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Who loves sex more, men or women?
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4/29/2008 1:28:05 AM
i think women dont want to advertise that they want sex as much as men for the labeling of such names will come into play like whore or something of that nature.
Actually heard most of the negative labels myself coming from other women in my experience. Even making posting some questions about a woman or two I have known. It's really weird because it's like many of those women with the negative comments wanted to put forth the illusion of just men thinking about sex when women think about it just as much, sometimes more from personal experience. Sex is really nothing anyone should be ashamed of. Men for the most part have a tendency not to feel as shameful about it, where as women have a tendency to hide it which has probably been the main reason people believe the "men are the only ones who think of sex". Religions have been a major institution as others in the attempt to shame people for even thinking about sex. Though if you don't truly love someone, it's really unfulfilling. If used as an expression of love (not some power/dominance thing) with the person you love, it can bring you far more ecstasy than otherwise would. Yet it is quite upsetting to hear the stereotype of how "men only think about sex" when women do just as much...
Evenor
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is there really someone for everyone?
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4/29/2008 1:09:49 AM
No there isn't someone for everyone, this isn't a fairytale baby. Relationships are about who has the power. It's all political. If you want to control some dude, then get your life game up, get in shape, and get the money. If not, prepared to get trampled because the competition is fierce.
Would have to strongly disagree with you there. True relationships aren't about power, they are about an expression of love, as all else is not a true relationship. You don't spend time manipulating someone to feel better about yourself because of your own insecurities. Think the "problem" is with many relationships these days is people listening to the media and what society deems as "right" beliefs about love and relationships. Yet look where many of those "correct" beliefs have led many relationships thus far in this country and worldwide...
Evenor
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is sex something a woman offers in a relationship?
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4/29/2008 1:04:56 AM
Personal experience though, I wait until she makes the move for any sexual interaction. Don't know if it's wrong and if I'm expected to make the first move. Yet I can wait as long as needed... though seems too often that maybe I should have. I mean I'm one of those people who love touching in a relationship if it's acceptable... not talking about sex either. But just like holding hands, kissing, hugging, cuddling alot, etc. Sex is great and all don't get me wrong, yet it's really great to be cuddling when you two wake up the next morning and just talking about whatever... So what would be considered "acceptable" or the "right time" for such ladies?
Evenor
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is sex something a woman offers in a relationship?
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4/29/2008 12:58:00 AM
Probably tied into that romance novel type of thinking, that the woman finally surrenders herself to him after he has fought long and hard to win her. And thousands of years of patriarchal society that suggested that part of the marriage contract was the sex, that woman were good for little else but sexual receptacles and bearing children. Until relatively recently, children and women really held little value in society. Childhood was not special either, they were seen as a liability, unproductive mouths to feed.
There's plenty of interesting stuff about the matriarchal society a few thousand years ago where the general mentality was that men were seen as little more than slave labor and their to satisfy a woman's sexual desires any time she wanted him to. And even in the patriarical society, women were still treated alot better that mainstream media puts out there. Yes given for a long time they couldn't vote or own lands. Yet who was out working hard in the world, sometimes risking life and limb, just for his woman and family. Often even in marriage, even with a king, the woman had the final say so at the end of the day no matter how much the guy boasted he was "in charge". Even from person relationship experience, many woman have come to expect that a "good" man in a relationship is suppose to let her have final say over everything no matter what. So many femenists are willing to keep bashing the men all the time instead of giving them some credit too. We are all capable of the same potentials. The truth is each gender does have some beliefs of how "it should be" in a relationship that has lead many relationships to "fail" these days. The only way we can change these beliefs that aren't helping anything is to first accept them, that yes many people HAVE believed such beliefs. Only accepting them can they be changed. And before anyone continues bashing one gender, there is plenty of unloving beliefs that can be pointed out in the other gender so no one really has any room to argue...
Evenor
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AM I WRONG FOR TELLING MY FRIEND THE TRUTH , OR SHOULD I HAVE MIND MY OWN BUSINESS
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4/29/2008 12:45:25 AM
"my question is why is it when females meet men they get so blinded, and so stupid that when you tell them the truth , they rather bite ur head off than to deal with it...."
maternal instinct and relationship preservation (aka denial). Been there, done that. Idiot me. If it had been me the email would have had a reply to him and CC to her which bluntly told him his email was unwanted and out of line and she was your friend and that put him so far off limits to you that he could never ever in this lifetime get near you.
She might still have dumped you. Preservation, ya know. Dang how sicko relationships can ruin perfectly good friendships in their wake
Maternal instinct and relationship preservation how? The relationship has ended usually because of stuff like that so how is it "preservation" of the relationship in any way. Yeah people have their natural tendencies but there's plenty of guys who do it too so can't be maternal. It's just unwillingness to face yourself in the mirror and claim some responsibility for your beliefs/thoughts/words/actions.... often not wanting to hear the truth asked for because it shatters their current picture of what they originally believed everything to be. Many would do alot better by first quite lashing out at others with negative judgements/words/actions because of others speaking their truth...
Evenor
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is there really someone for everyone?
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4/29/2008 12:38:53 AM
Knights in shining armor is out now? Guess I better go put my suit of shiny platemail and +5 holy avenger back in storage...
Seriously though there is someone for everyone. Many people don't realize that there truly are going to be some things that, no matter how much you love one another, you just won't agree on. And often if they don't bolt out the door the first disagreement and blaming the other person for the relaitonship turning out "bad", then they will stick around trying adamantly to force their views on you because they are "right" and you are "wrong". Very few actually agree to disagree, and even fewer actually are willing to underand that they were only looking at one side of the coin and are willing to change their beliefs a little. Yet it seems to be a common theme on the forums of how people are trying to do the impossible by expecting more love, trust, respect, etc. from the other person than they are willing to give. They say "Oh that person doesn't trust me, I'm so crushed" Usually the majority of responses are a continuous bashing of the person that is not there to give their side of the story, thus reinforcing the posters belief that they are the "victim" in relationships. Then you as the poster if they trust the other person and it goes something like "Well.... uhh... no because..." and they trail off on a whole list of reasons to justify their belief that they somehow "deserve" and "should" be able to expect more than they are willing to give which is just insane...
Evenor
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When is it ok?
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4/29/2008 12:03:33 AM
This is obviously the delusions of a paranoid...
but don't worry, if you see your doctor, he will have just the right drug for that.
It's not being paranoid, it's called stating a fact. Many would have you growing up believing it "right" that people follow what the government and other "agreeable" sources of information would have you to believe. And that actually thinking for yourself would make you a "problem" in society. Look what they do to people like Galileo and countless other people through history. And there are those who would throw out negative judgements and do harsh things to people who would actually start thinking for themselves instead of what someone else would want you to believe because then they can sleep better at night knowing the world in their minds was still flat...
Evenor
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If women want honesty....then why do they keep secrets?
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4/28/2008 11:45:32 PM
Could ask what about the other person makes them feel they have to lie in the first place. No one is innocent in any situation. There are just those unwilling to see the whole picture because it is too difficult for them to take responsibility for their own part in it wheather intentional or unintentional. Often when the person who lies does tell the truth, the other person reacts in a negative way, either starting an argument or whatever because they don't want to hear the truth of the matter for whatever reason. Yet there are truly no victims in this world...
Evenor
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AM I WRONG FOR TELLING MY FRIEND THE TRUTH , OR SHOULD I HAVE MIND MY OWN BUSINESS
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4/28/2008 11:40:46 PM
OP It's an unusual event where plenty of people both men and women alike are abused by the other person years on end, yet swear up and down that they love them, even sometimes if the other person beats them, they still end up running back to the other person often because either they feel they don't "deserve better" or believing they are unable to find anyone "better" out there, often to the point because they start stereotyping all others of that gender, race, religion... as just being the "same" when no one is really the "same". I have a female friend that has been with a guy who belittles her, makes her think she's "worthless", hits her, etc. who she's been with for almost a decade and still keeps running back to him swearing she "loves" him and he "loves" her... Yet, no matter how you feel on the subject, leave your friend alone about the issue until they approach you about it. Even then it's kinda iffy... I mean my friend came to me in tears wondering what to do, and doing what any friend should do when approached with a problem I told her how it's been going on for almost a decade, that she's always so depressed/sad/angry. Telling her if she really wanted to help herself out of the mess to either stand up to him or leave the relationship for anyone else because it was obvious the guy wasn't changing any time soon. Then she decides to get mad at me in a similar fashion. Telling me that "she never asked for my help in the first place" which she did. And that a friend was only suppose to "be" there though she wouldn't define what "being" there was. I'm not one of those people who are just going to sit by, smile, and call myself a true "friend" when approached by a friend needing help and doing everything I can possible to help out or find someone else that knows how to help out better than me. Though what are you to do if they want to continue running from the truth of the situation like that. It will eventually catch up to them and knock them flat the longer they ignore it...
Evenor
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Why Do women dump men who are nice to them.
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4/28/2008 11:23:52 PM
Do you remember in high school when the attractive girls hung out with the biggest idiots they could find? It's nature! Sometimes, they are just attracted to these types of men. Daddy didn't get the discipline done, so they look for the daddy trait somewhere else.....Forget eet!
Did know some women that seemed to be looking more of a father figure in the relationship than a companion of equal age. Some would say that the older guys were "more mature" yet maturity knows no age...
Evenor
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Need Advise/Help
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4/28/2008 11:20:29 PM
Also OP being a bit of a Libra I can personally understand where you're coming from. Libra's are suppose to be the "best" sought for any serious relationship, especially long term. Just make sure you don't come on too strong though...
Evenor
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Need Advise/Help
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4/28/2008 11:18:06 PM
Sounds like it was a bit intense. People still need their space even in a relationship with someone they really love. Some people I've seen post that it was considered "okay" to talk to their significant other like an average of 3 hours a day. For one, what could anyone talk about so much. Both could probably lay out their entire life stories in just one of those sessions. Yet we are at our base freedom, and everyone will rebel in proportion to how much they feel confined....
Evenor
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Why can't I get over this guy?
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4/28/2008 11:06:12 PM
In my person opinion I don't agree with the situation. No matter how "separated" one or both of you may be in the marriage, in my book if you are with someone, you are with them, especially if you are still legally married. If you want to move on elsewhere, then have the respect for both you and your spouse to get a divorce and move on to whatever relationship you were seeking elsewhere. Don't stay married and "separated" because of things like you just want material benefits of the marriage, yet not truly wanting to be in the marriage. After all it does take 2 to make and break a relationship... Plus if someone is actually willing to cheat in their current relationship with you, especially if they are married, you can't really expect them to not cheat on you as they did their spouse...
Evenor
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question
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4/28/2008 11:00:04 PM
Well OP I don't know the specifics of the situation. Yet I wouldn't automatically start jumping to negative conclusions. He may actually see you are happier with your current boyfriend and only truly wants you to be happy no matter what you choose. Also he might think your current boyfriend would be able to be a better provider for you than he could. To truly love someone means you set them free to make their own choice reguardless of what you prefer, just as long as they are truly happy with what they choose wheather it be with them or someone else. There's always the possibility of the negative, that he is trying to separate for whatever reason and trying to let you down as easy as he can. Though I would prefer instead of always trying to start assuming the negative, start assuming the positive because often things may not be as they appear. From reading the forums, some people have it down to an art to quickly find something negative in the other person...
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Do dumb guys like dummer( pun) women
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4/28/2008 10:40:51 PM
Usually people in general seem to want someone as close to their intelligence level as possible....
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Are US women being taken for granted?
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4/28/2008 5:19:56 PM
many men have changed their attitudes and tried to improve
The point is.......why did it take sooooooo darn long for men to finally start listening and why did it take a "women's movement" to finally bring about changes........that would be conducive to women getting some respect and appreciation for their contributions to the community and their countries.
Just a little exerpt from the internet.........
On a January day in 1914, a prairie housewife walked through the doors of the Manitoba Legislature in Winnipeg to convince the government that women should be allowed to vote. Her name was Nellie McClung. By early 1916, with the help of McClung, the women of Manitoba would become the first in Canada to win the right to vote.
From 1914 until now 2008.......94 years of an uphill battle.
Way back in 1914 when women complained that their sons or daughters were being sexually abused..............they were told to "hush up" and the pedophile got a "get out of jail free card" and was simply told to get out of town. When women were being raped......they were told to "hush up" and that they usually deserved what they got. When widows needed jobs to support themselves through their old age..........they were told find another husband as soon as possible.
Anyway 2 wrongs don't make a right and we will all have to deal with the
"Beefs and Bouquets" that the women's movement brought.
Well if you're actually willing to go back a few thousand years and find out how and why the male "dominance" thing came about to begin with, might have a better understanding of why it "took so long". When women were "dominant" a few thousand years ago, they treated men just as "bad" if not worse in some cases than women have been. The men were viewed by the woman as little more than slave labor and a means to satisfy their sexual cravings reguardless if the man wanted to or not. It went like this for generations until some men got together and decided the only way they would ever be able to win their freedom was through the use of fear. Fear that came to be ingrained into religions that ultimately dictated even those who ruled the countries. Last known severe treatment of men by women was Amazons in South America (and yes they still have a tribal temple down there that's kinda neat too). So the pendullum of dominance swung to the men. Yet even with male "dominance" the woman still often had final say on all affairs, despite how some of the men pretended to "be in charge" of the relationship. And now the pendullum has swung past true women/men equality as for many femenist views, it's not enough. Instead of true equality, it has become more of a reverse discrimination issue. A guy for instannce doesn't get hired by work because he hasn't earned it one way or another, yet a woman can just say she didn't get it because she was a woman and ends up getting something she really didn't deserve to stay out of the political spotlight.
So lets be honest folks... BOTH genders have been oppressor and the oppressed by those who don't want inequality. It is law that if you are one, you will eventually experience the other. BOTH men/women have the same potentials, capable of the same emotions, BOTH capable of being most loving of people or both capable of some most unloving of people. People are starting to wake up to such unloving ideas such as one person being "better" than another because of gender, race, religion, culture, etc. are just not working. The world as a whole is going to go through some major changes in the next few years on shedding those old beliefs that make everyone feel so separated from everyone and everything. And people are beginning to wake up to the fact that everyone is connected to absolutely everyone and everything, and that there will no longer be a need for lies, sarcasms, etc. used to confuse the truth of who we all are. A truly wonderful time ahead...
Evenor
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would this bug you?
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4/28/2008 4:55:55 PM
OP it is still a great source for advice to help you do better in a current relationship too as I am. Coming on here to get advice about things that other people know more about at the time than you helps out quite a bit...
Evenor
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Does it have to be this way. Men get broken hearts too
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4/28/2008 4:20:54 PM
I actually believe that men suffer more an deeper than women when it comes to love, Ithink men love more genuinley and unconditionally,
There's also many millenia where men were known to be loving enough in many cases to go out of his way to protect the woman, kids, and those he loved even if it meant sacraficing his life. Yet I believe BOTH men and women are capable of loving just as deep as the other...
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Have I become too cynical?
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4/28/2008 4:15:20 PM
OP you could also look at the positive side... "If you want to know the light, you have to stand in the darkness..." or "If every day is a sunny day, what is a sunny day?" Basically it gives you perspective, finding out what you don't want with all those "failed" relationships makes it that much clearer what you do want... So always try to focus on the positive, even when things seem "bad" because focus on the negativity can have negative cumulative effects...
Evenor
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how come ( distance is an issue)
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4/28/2008 4:07:06 PM
Hour drive with traffic and gas being right now $3.75 /gallon around here. Any furthur and it gets to be a bit too much of a hastle especially if you are expected to do all the driving...
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The image you have of yourself...
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4/28/2008 3:50:24 PM
I zone in on "he hit me" and say "he doesn't love you. Full stop, end of story. You don't hit people you love. Drop him and move on." And she goes "yea but (insert another half a page)" and I go "No. HE HIT YOU. END OF STORY."
I have a female friend, good friends for years and she keeps on running back to this guy that belittles her until he gets his way, letting his jealousy run off all her friends that he knows of to appear as the "only one that truly loves her", she's almost always in tears or angry about him when she comes to me seeking support, even hit her once I know of... yet she still insists she loves this guy who has been doing this for about 8 years now. And she sends me an email to day swearing up and down oh how he's changed and she's giving him his "last chance", though I've lost count already of all those "last chances". She's not pregnant from him or anything, yet she still keeps running back to him. So just have to ask ladies, what's up with that???
Evenor
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To miss her = love?
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4/28/2008 3:42:47 PM
Well there is a saying that sometimes you can only truly know how much you value someone/something by losing it... Yet it's not always the case because the person could have also been without that someone/something all their life up to that point so the "losing" of it.... not having it, would have already happened...
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Would you think he was hitting on me?
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4/28/2008 3:40:03 PM
Very, very, very few heterosexual men really want to just be friends with any woman that they find attractive. We're not wired that way. If a man finds a woman attractive he wants to and will have sex with her if the negative consequences aren't too high. Bottom line: you should probably assume that all men you meet, whether friends or not, want to have sex with you.
Would have to disagree with not many guys just being friends with an attractive woman. Just because she's attractive and a decent friend doesn't necessarily make her capable of being in a serious relationship. Yet still I know plenty of women that have more male friends than female friends. One said it was because no matter what, any female friends she had, no matter who they were, always gossipped about everyone and everything behind her back. Yet don't believe you can really declare that it's very few because "We're not wired that way...". It's very stereotyping ideas that you are helping continue on that have lead many relationships to the troubles they are in these days. People spending time getting into relationships automatically expecting the guys just wanting sex, and having women who believed in such expectations constantly wondering if they are being played for sex. Those players who just want sex are few and far between. Many realize that it shouldn't be the primary value of a serious relationship. Some people these days are so completely focused on getting sex in the relationship, they lose sight of everything else...
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Would you think he was hitting on me?
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4/28/2008 3:26:04 PM
Ladies, let's give it up for our first male response....hoo, hoo, hoo
It was a joke...it's Ask A Guy...no guys were responding...chill out, dude...
Could be stereotyping like this that have landed some of the people on this site wondering why oh why their relationships are not working out.
Dude, you seriously need to grab yourself a full meal deal, with an extra order of humor on the side...
Honestly you can stop the pretending, there are just as many women who focus on sex just as much as men do. You are not fooling anyone with the women innocence speeches...
Who's pretending??? She played him like a friend, he wanted more, she wasn't giving anything, he left.....nothing too complicated there...
Wasn't trying to be funny. Was trying to make the point that you were trying to reinforce the stereotype of how men supposedly only think about sex all the time. Then you try to play it off like you were joking about it. It's a very serious matter with stereotyping like that. I'm sure some people are that way but they can't speak for everyone.
Evenor
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How do you know when you've met the One?
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4/28/2008 12:50:34 AM
From person experience, it was like when I first met her we both had a sudden overwhelming feeling of joy like running into someone you really cared about after being apart for a long time, and also having the feeling that we both somehow knew each other even though we never met before this life. Constant real deep connection where we both knew exactly what the other person was thinking and feeling all the time, and often finishing each other's sentences. One gets hurt, the other one feels it, almost like twins yet much deeper connection...
Yet even if you do find your soulmate or "the one", it may not be storybook easy especially if you or both have had a bunch of "bad" relationships up to this point in life. Then finally you meet "the one" and end up expecting it to turn out like all the other "failed" relationships. So in a sense it may seem to some that have such a low self image they may truly feel "worthless" or "undeserving" of such love no matter how genuine you may be.... Even finding it difficult to have the courage to follow your heart on something like that after a lifetime of "failed" relationships is quite difficult for almost anyone...
Evenor
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Are relationships worth it?
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4/28/2008 12:38:44 AM
We see so much heartache and we see so much pain and no doubt, i would say that 99.9% of people in this place have had there heart ripped out and shoved under the grill for 10 minutes.
Not also fogetting the fact that we have this high divorce rate going on.... kinda tells me that people are just not 'happy' with there lives and want to see if the grass is truly greener on the other side??
So why do we put ourselves through the pain of relationships?
What is the point?
Relationships is one of the primary reasons for existence, but we can get into that another time. It's one of the most wonderful things in the world to be in a relationship where you love someone and they love you. You could offer me all the treasures of the world and I would not accept any of them to substitute for a truly loving relationship. The thing these days is many people really don't know what it means to truly love anyone, much less what relationships are really all about. I read the forums of people that post their relationship "failures" on these forums... and the general theme of it seems to be "blame the other person". Very few are willing to say they may have actually contributed to the relationship going "bad". Yet even fewer actually come out and admit that they were partly if not mostly responsible for it going bad. So many are way to quick to blame the other person. Some have developed it almost into an art of being able to lie to themselves and others about everything which only dooms them to furthur continue the cycle of "failed" relationships until they start taking responsibility for what they said/done. How can you ever expect to change anything in this world if you always feel the victim, that someone else is doing all of this to you. The fact it's impossible to change/throw away something you were never willing to hold yourself. After all it takes 2 to make and break a relationship. Often when you see the other being/saying/doing "bad" stuff, it is a reaction to something, that possibly may have been building for a while, and didn't surface til their tolerance was reached. Yet the truth of what and who you really are always catches up with you...
Evenor
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Anyone else scared of the good guy/girl?
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4/28/2008 12:25:45 AM
Get a bit scared a bit myself in relationships, I'm one of those people who enjoy touch in a relationship. The sexual connection is great don't get me wrong, yet I like the other physical stuff like cuddling alot, holding hands, the kissing, etc... yet so worried these days about sexual harassment lawsuits, etc. I remember when you could actually compliment a woman wearing something nice or pat them on the back for a job well done with nothing sexual intended about it. Yet it's gotten to the point with femenist view that it's considered sexual harassment in most cases if a guy does compliment a woman like that. So what is a guy to do?
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