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 Author Thread: Loosing faith in Women,
 Flowers From the Fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 21 (view)
 
Loosing faith in Women,
Posted: 11/19/2008 5:22:27 PM

Jeez, you emailed for a day! Toughen up pal. The internet is full of flakes.


The internet?? I'd suggest our world, plain and simple...

I guess some people are much more new and naive...
 Flowers From the Fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 20 (view)
 
Loosing faith in Women,
Posted: 11/19/2008 5:19:47 PM

Good responses, but he well may have meant "Omenous", although I can't quite find the omen in this story.


I think more likely a mistake... after all he is 'loosing' faith in women. Not quite sure how loose his faith in women is, i guess that can work... sort of.
 Flowers From the Fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 141 (view)
 
Your Eggs Are All in One Basket
Posted: 11/19/2008 5:07:12 PM
I've mulled this question over repeatedly... and i've come to these conclusions.

1. No one else gets to tell me how to live my life.
So all the guilt tripping and efforts to make me be a nice girl (ie: it's just basic human decency/courtesy to reply to EVERY message you receive) and trust me, it's hard to not want to be a nice girl, are not going to dictate my actions. A lot of the trouble women find themselves in is because they ignore their instincts and act like the 'nice girl'.

2. I believe in my basic human decency and always do my best to be considerate of others.
So that translates to this: If someone went to some effort i will usually reply even if i'm not interested. If they did not, it's at my discretion as to whether or not it's necessary to reply. Sometimes you just have to have the leeway to go with your gut, and sometimes no reply seems to be the wisest course of action.

3. Sometimes I really am busy or just plain forget.
That means sometimes i meant to reply and never got around to it. I'm human so shoot me.

What I keep coming back to is this: WE HAVE TO STOP THINKING WE CAN CONTROL OTHER'S BEHAVIOUR. There is this endless effort to have people be and act the way WE want them to. The reality is the only thing in our realm of control is OUR actions. I understand we would all prefer this world to be a much gentler place to each of us, but again all we can control is how we behave regardless of what others do. Ultimately we have to stop basing our self esteem on whether or not someone replies to our well thought out (or not) messages, and yes i have written messages that have been completely ignored. Such is life no?
 Flowers From the Fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 55 (view)
 
Obama - First Black or Biracial ...
Posted: 11/19/2008 12:47:46 AM

i'm reserving my comments about Obama until he has actually served in the office however i personally believe all major figures are puppets with their strings being pulled whether they like it or not


You are all making this late night forum session easy for me... this is also what I believe.
 Flowers From the Fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 54 (view)
 
Obama - First Black or Biracial ...
Posted: 11/19/2008 12:38:32 AM

Race and gender should be irrelevant.


Thank you, precisely what i wanted to say. The fact that such a big fuss is being made over Obama being the first anything just proves the point about how far we still have to go as humans. *Shaking my head*
 Flowers From the Fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 50 (view)
 
The disappearing and reappearing load of crap
Posted: 11/19/2008 12:27:15 AM
Ha ha ha... i'm glad i decided to check into my local forums, who doesn't need a late night laugh when you have the worst cold ever...


while we're on the topic, anyone have some creative suggestions for the neighbourhood dog's owner that allows it to poop on my lawn???
 Flowers From the Fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 46 (view)
 
waking up ideas
Posted: 11/17/2008 3:28:18 AM

3, count 'em 3 alarm clocks.
I don't get up with just one whimpy alarm, I need 3 to face the day!


I'm not far behind you, I have 2 set. My alarm clock and the alarm feature on my cell phone and I still sometimes sleep through them both...

A combination of being a night owl and NOT a morning person... though sometimes i wonder if there are other factors, because if i'm going snowboarding or some other activity i love, i usually wake up much easier then if it's work i'm getting up for.
 Flowers From the Fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 40 (view)
 
How to let a guy down
Posted: 10/31/2008 7:43:18 PM
ouldn't disagree more. In fact, if I never hear that phrase again it'll be too soon. It DOESN'T mean "I want to be friends," it (more often than not) means, "I never want to hear from you again." There's a HUGE difference. Do NOT use, "I want to be friends," unless you ACTUALLY want to be friends with someone. If you want them to stop calling, TELL them to stop calling.



Uh huh... no kidding. Heaven forbid you actually take someone at face value. Why do we have to 'read' into things??

I had a situation somewhat recently, where i met a guy we went on a date a few times, exchanged some nice emails and after a great date with coffee and wine, I got the "lets be friends first' email...

Now call me gullible, but I ACTUALLY thought he meant that. I took him at his word when he said that he didn't want to rush things, which i don't think we were, but understood entirely what he meant. There is always the temptation to jump in both both feet pretty quickly.. I was on the same page. He asked me what i thought, and i messaged him back letting him know i agreed...


Well. Didn't I feel foolish after a week passed with no response... he never did respond. I finally wrote and let him off the hook ... just because I wanted him to know that I would have appreciated it if he had just told me straight up and to wish him well.


So, I agree with those that say be kind and clear... it really bothered me to be left confused by the words that did not match actions, but mind you not for long.
 Flowers From the Fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 327 (view)
 
Why do some younger men want to have sex with an older woman?
Posted: 10/6/2008 6:04:27 PM
Spitfire6844:

My apologies for mistaking what you said regarding the 2-3 yr age difference...

I still disagree in large part to your generalization regarding age gaps beyond that. Sometimes you may well be right, but i'd say definitely not in all cases and I do really think there is a shift occurring for many reasons. We can agree to disagree....

The reality is often men want to have sex with a woman regardless of age differences for no real purpose other than to have sex, so making the mistake of thinking that they are interested in a relationship can happen across all age groups....
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 144 (view)
 
kissing
Posted: 10/3/2008 12:32:01 AM

For me, I'll stick with the first sentence. Is kissing a dying art basically.

A kiss will always and forever be super important at least to me. Sex is great and all, but a kiss can melt and sear your soul if done right. A deep, sensual, passionate kiss that seems to linger forever as you pray for time to stand still "just this once"...mmmmm...damn.

Being with someone who may enjoy sex, but not kissing would just immediately bring me to the movie "Pretty Woman". Then I'd lose my mind thinkin' A) she's a former hooker/callgirl/escort, or B) she has no intent on sharing real intimacy with me. I could feasibly go without sex for long periods, but I'm fairly certain I couldn't say the same about going without kissing. A kiss, to me, is way more alluring than sex could ever hope to be.

If it's a dying art, I'm gonna thank my lucky stars that I still seem to find the ones that cling to the art like it was their last cupcake. There'll always be something so magical about a kiss that can't be replicated, bought, sold, or bartered for.



That's it...I'm settin' up a kissing booth over thatta way ----->



Phew... it's getting HOT in here...

You're speaking my language! :)
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 143 (view)
 
kissing
Posted: 10/3/2008 12:26:21 AM
I love kissing. LOVE IT.

I've been thinking lately about how much I love it, and that it is very important to me to be with someone that appreciates it just as much as i do...

If kissing were considered kinky it would be my fetish...

I see your point on some sides... but I do think when it comes right down to it actual intercourse is far more intimate then kissing, although I do agree kissing CAN be very intimate...

I think being able to kiss and make out but be clear that you aren't intending that to lead to sex at that point is just one way women allow themselves to be sexual without fully doing the deed.

I don't kiss just anyone for the record either, the right ingredients have to be there...
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 321 (view)
 
Why do some younger men want to have sex with an older woman?
Posted: 10/3/2008 12:13:32 AM
I don't know anyone who can't immediately recognize when someone else is 10 years or more older or younger. You don't just look at their faces; but at their clothes, physique, posture, hair, teeth, etc. Some people like to flatter themselves; but most of the time, it's easy to tell when a given person is significantly older or younger than you are.



10 years maybe... but you were saying even a 2 or 3 yr difference was all about "sex and fun"...

I don't know, maybe i'm just much more into taking people for who they are rather than trying to assess them and nail down their age so that I can label them...

I agree. that there are some clues, but even those can be misleading.. maybe you are talking obvious generational differences... I mean it's easy to see the difference between a 50 yr old and say a 2o yr old... I personally think there is a certain segment of the population where if they are young hearted, vibrant, intelligent and fit; the age groups can blend together without readily apparent age differences though they may in fact exist.

In my case it's tough for people because I tend to look very young, but if they talk with me they sense a maturity of one older... they tend to be confused, and it has nothing to do with flattery on my part. I've had to learn to deal with utter shock by both men and women, repeatedly, for over 5 yrs now when they discover my age. I've had to offer to show my Driver's License. I'm talking 22 yr old girls at work thinking I am in fact in their age group and finding out they are off by over a decade for one example.

In the same spirit i'm not at all stuffy, rigid or over the hill; though i think i do comport myself with a certain maturity but I still find it harder to differentiate those somewhat younger than I, if they share similar qualities and interests.We all tend to be living life full on and therefore do not fit the stereotypical age groupings....
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 316 (view)
 
Why do some younger men want to have sex with an older woman?
Posted: 10/2/2008 9:28:25 PM

I hate both terms MILF and Cougar too. I think both terms are very demeaning.



As do I..... if you want to get on my bad side dare to call me that . Especially as I am not the one doing hunting and never have had the motives that would go along with being a "Cougar". Fortunately most don't even think i'm old enough to even consider calling me that...

so what's the demeaning term for men who are much older who go for much younger women??? Hmmmm there isn't one..... what's new, more of the same inequity.
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 315 (view)
 
Why do some younger men want to have sex with an older woman?
Posted: 10/2/2008 9:24:48 PM
There wouldn't be any need to ask each other's age if the two people are 10 years apart. It's obvious almost at first sight. Also, there aren't too many people far apart in age who have "common interests". A 25-year-old dude is likely to have very different interests in foods, sports, music and entertainment than a 40-year-old cougar. That goes without saying.

For the most part, when you see a great age disparity of more than 2 or 3 years, any "relationship" is purely for sex and fun. The woman is in for a rude awakening if she thinks otherwise.


Ok, Spitfire, have fun living life in your small little box.... *shaking my head* I can't even bother to repeat myself again to address the silliness of what you've just said, if it suits you to believe it, carry on.

for the record I have tonnes in common with guys that are around 8 yrs younger than I.

Lastly, most people can't for the life of them even guess my age correctly so how on earth do you figure it's all so readily apparent that there is an age disparity?
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 35 (view)
 
Cheapness is right next to rudeness, what does it take to offer a lady a drink????
Posted: 9/30/2008 8:26:31 PM

Many girls will flat out ASK you to buy them a drink after making conversation for 30 seconds. What do you ladies say about that?


Seriously?? Huh...

I've NEVER done that, and I don't even expect it. In fact I usually make it awkward by telling them it's really not necessary...

It can be a nice gesture under the right circumstances, from either the guy or the gal..
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 306 (view)
 
Why do some younger men want to have sex with an older woman?
Posted: 9/30/2008 6:35:04 PM
Thanks Gtiger, kind of you to say... assuming you mean me, i had to double check that there was not another flowers...


To Spit fire:

Older women, and men who pursue youth, are typically attempting a coupe de cradle.
As their opposition robs the grave. Both sets are pleading with their opposition, and placing bids on vicariousness.


True statement, although it's more true of older women going after younger guys than it is of older dudes going after younger women. Older men/younger women is still the norm throughout the world, so the same level of desperation or eccentricity is never associated with those liaisons.


I strongly disagree... I have never purposely pursued a younger man, and if i choose to be friends with, date or develop a relationship with one it has nothing to do with robbing the cradle. It makes me roll my eyes actually because its so incredibly ridiculous. I'm not looking for a 'trophy stud' I value the individual and our ability to get along with one another.

When you meet people you don't typically ask their age right off the bat. If you hit if off because you have common interests, and great conversations or meet on the trail or on the mountain snow boarding, or at a music event ... obviously that is the common ground. So if you find out later that they are younger should you then cut off contact despite getting along well?? How silly... I think we can learn and grow from meeting all kinds of people, why shut the door on people because of of superficial factors?

I try to be realistic understanding that there is that whole 'stages of life' thing to take into account, there is definitely 'too young' for me, but I never judge someone solely because of their age.

I have mused often lately that it is a good thing i was born in this time that we are in now, because if i'd been born back in the days of male dominated culture i'd likely have burned at the stake along with the 'Joan of Arc's' and 'witches'. I have pretty much zero tolerance for gender roles imposed upon me or the idea that male or female is superior. I also don't buy that people can be put in a box because of their age. I am pretty forward thinking in my opinion, and not one to follow the traditional routes it seems, which is also probably another reason why i get along well with some younger men. They have been raised by a completely different generation, with radically different values and role models... this is creating a different kind of man. Emotionally quotient, far more willing to see woman as partners and fellow human beings, appreciate intelligence and self sufficiency and so on.

Of course i must add the disclaimer that I understand there are these types of men in all age ranges, I just think there are more of them in the generations following our's...
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 305 (view)
 
Why do some younger men want to have sex with an older woman?
Posted: 9/30/2008 6:21:12 PM

Thank you flowers!! I have said that several times myself, but it didn't seem to sink in with some people.
I have enjoyed your posts


You're more than welcome, you carry yourself with class and charm, lovely and refreshing!

Some people just can't get beyond, labels, discrimination, stereotyping, being judgmental... the list goes on. It's sad really...
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 291 (view)
 
Why do some younger men want to have sex with an older woman?
Posted: 9/29/2008 10:38:32 PM

"Boston..."

then I agree with you. Society tells us what is acceptable...I do not think always society is right

Control might be an issue also. I would think that its a very small number of women who actually would do it for the control.

Do you not think its mostly about them reliving their youth and feeling flattered by this young guy feeling attracted to her??? She can in some way control him I guess but thats maybe because she is so much more experienced sexually and she really feeling non-attractive as years pass by? Maybe having experienced their men leaving them for a younger model...then by dating or marrying young men they feel that when a young guy can be attracted to them...then they have their self-esteem boosted

What do you think????


I know you weren't asking me but here goes anyway....

Does it always have to be about control, or being flattered or compensating for some past experience? For either a man or woman. Is it not possible that some people whatever their sex or age just want to find that connection with another? When I think about what I'm looking for in a partner, it sure isn't about control or power, or any thing along those lines. It's about finding someone that is intelligent, thought provoking, fun and funny, vibrant and loves life, active and interesting, capable and mature and shares some common interests.

It really is about being able to get along and enjoy each other, not about age or some kind of power struggle...
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 290 (view)
 
Why do some younger men want to have sex with an older woman?
Posted: 9/29/2008 10:26:16 PM

I think alot of younger men I like older women because they are more mature, easier to get along with, more experienced, less bs, no drama, and its the excitement of being young and being with an older woman. For people my age, I'm 24, I think a lot of us had this fantasy ever since American Pie 1 lol, Stiffler's mom. An older woman can still be very sexy, and very attractive. There are alot of beautiful older women. I myself, I've been with an older woman before, and to this do, still was the most amazing sex I've ever had. Very beautiful, amazing shape, well toned. And it wasn't all sexual, we were friends, got along great, and hung out without it just being about sex. It's all about attraction, you can't help who your attracted too, its human nature. Age is simply a number, its all about maturity. I could go on and on but I won't, I'm only posting about this because of what a certain person said.

howbigisyourlove, I read your opinion, and while it is your opinion, I think you have a very harsh look on reality. Who are you to say that any older woman who has sex with a younger guys, is immature and is not attracted to the person and is deeply disturbed and has serious issues? And the comment you made for the guys excuse, I can't even remember what it was cuz it was so far out there. I don't know where your basing that opinion from, maybe you read one of those stupid phycologist books or something that is normally full of bs anyways, but that kind of opinion, your judging it on alot of people you don't know or never met lol. Sure maybe your right about a few, but then again, who doesn't have some kind of a personal issue, or some kind of problem. It's life, everyone has something. But your opinion was much better kept to yourself, because it simply has no merit what so ever, and no proof. Think before you write, lesson the day. I'm 24, your 48, I think you just got outclassed by someone half ur age.


ZIIIIIIING!!

Wow. I'm so glad you took the time to respond to that. I wanted to say something but could barely bother with that level of narrow mindedness and generalizations.. I also figured it would just look defensive on my part as a woman, and as one who has dated and is friends with younger men.

Someone else said it well, that it is often an energy thing, what you have in common, what activities you occupy yourself with... I find many younger men to be excellent conversationalists amongst many other fine attributes. I'm not going to judge just because of age, let their character speak for it's self!

Atm I'm seeing someone and neither of us knows the other's age. We'll find out soon enough i'm sure, but I think it's actually rather nice that we can get to know each other with out any preconceived perceptions to colour it... He said he thought i was 22 when first meeting me, then that i must be older due to my maturity and the way i communicate, maybe 25.... lol!! I think not being bitter and hateful as well as rather optimistic keeps me young on many levels.
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 288 (view)
 
Why do some younger men want to have sex with an older woman?
Posted: 9/29/2008 10:07:49 PM

Yay, yet ANOTHER "older women younger men thread" so older women can fish for compliments yet again. It seems as if older women are so constantly terrified and insecure about their age that they need constant ego stroking from young guys or they need to date men that could be their kids. I don't think that age matters in a relationship if it's true, but there seems to be a lot of people doing it for very dysfunctional reasons. As far as all these cliche reasons for dating older women, there are just as many younger women who are smart, know what they want, etc. etc. There are also a LOT of older women who aren't so smart, like to play childish games and act very immature. Trust me. I'm surprised the younger women on here haven't piped up regarding the constant bashing they seem to get in these threads. Then again, maybe they actually have enough confidence that they aren't worried about what everyone in here thinks.


I agree with you that age doesn't typically matter. I do like to take people at face value and not judge another by their age. Maturity and attraction come from so many different factors.

Your opinion would have held much more weight if you had avoided the generalizations that you used to prove your point. There are all kinds in all age groups there is no doubt about that...
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 287 (view)
 
Why do some younger men want to have sex with an older woman?
Posted: 9/29/2008 10:00:30 PM

When I said chances at 40 and above its about how many want to stay with you...and NOT how many approaches you for sex.....undestand that.
For some reason you still bring it up from the sexual approach perspectives of your chances but on the other hand you accept that they want sex.....which is not much for you....so you go down to nada again.
So...that's where your chances are ...how many want to stay with you and follow your rules ? That's what you need to answer yourself.
So what do you do if 10.000 approaches you for sex but none wants you for stay? Huh? Well that's where your chances are....AND one day even all those with sex approach will be gone. Gone for good, its a matter of time....either you accept it or not.


Here is a prime example of male chauvinism at it's finest. Well done, "Discreet Contact" (Now why does our fine man have such a name, we must all wonder, I'm sure that he is of the finest upstanding morals...)

Just remember one thing, the door swings both ways, careful it doesn't smack you in the a$$! You think you will always be in prime physical condition and oh so desired by women for sex, assuming that you are now? What do you think your chances will be once your hair starts to thin, and you get a middle age paunch, couple that with your horrific attitude and I would think it will be less than 'nada'. In fact I wonder what kind of woman you attract now, any self respecting woman would not likely want anything to do with one with such a negative and backwards attitude towards women. That is unless you hide it well....
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 286 (view)
 
Why do some younger men want to have sex with an older woman?
Posted: 9/29/2008 9:52:57 PM

Conversations of substance I can get with my male counterparts. It can happen with a women too...but its not the rule. Its more the excceptions case...as I saisd before.
The most women looking for relationships for longer time are those 35 and up...because at those ages is when most men ... are just flying away...no matter how....kicked in the butt or just leave.
Yes you may get sexual attention because in N. America are TONS of desparate men for sex...that's why...first. The talk comes second and they do talk because they may want the sex with you....and keep it as it is....as a sexual hook.
How many "serious" offers did you get from those younger ones? You get the younger ones because they dream they will get "something" out of it and they "simulate" the "deep talk."
The human brain is set for the "reward"...for the recompense. Women look for their stuff, men for what they think they want as recompense.


Dude, as I read your posts i just can't help but hope you are an "exception". Your kind of attitude towards women is exactly the kind of attitude that earns my absolute disdain. Get with it.

I'm grateful that I have met and know many men that see woman as wonderful and amazing companions, their human counterpart, not something that is essentially a 'piece of meat' that isn't likely to be able to hold a conversation of substance.

Sadly I do know that sometimes the scenario you paint is true, but I for one hope it's a dying breed... I like to hope that as humans we are evolving in positive ways.
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 49 (view)
 
the cup
Posted: 9/29/2008 8:02:56 PM

The greater concern is with OTHER people's contact with their own blood for the reasons no_1_bby pointed out. Mere hand washing isn't going to clean any blood that may have gotten under the fingernails, which is why I think a brush should be used if someone's got blood on their hands. It's so easy to deal with menstruation without ever touching any blood that I'd need some really awesome reason to switch to an option that required such contact.


I understand why you would prefer to avoid contact and it's a good point you make about the issue of public bathrooms etc. At the same time, how do you know that people don't routinely get some blood on their hands when dealing with their menstruation by other methods? The reality is that some people are likely not nearly as fastidious as you, and sometimes people have an accidental messy situation where they may not be able to completely avoid contact... so for all we know this possibility is already a reality. Washing your hands well and touching everything minimally (we've all seen people using paper towel to touch faucets etc.) should likely reduce your risk of any germs etc no matter the source.

Reasons why I do use the Diva (not 100% of the time but nonetheless):

-I'd rather have something somewhat inert in intimate contact with my body vs chlorine bleached with synthetic materials that may actually me toxic.

-environmentally conscious. Have you ever read the stats on how much waste is produced by feminine hygiene products. Or how much paper product is required. If there is an option that can reduce that, I'd like to be on board, we already are filling our planet with garbage.

-cost effective. All those disposable products add up pretty quickly over time. One time purchase saves me quite a lot of money over the years.

-i really like the fact that if i'm camping or in an athletic event that i have good protection for a longer period of time. I often only have to 'empty' the diva cup twice a day, that's a lot less trips to the bathroom to deal with it with no embarrassing used garbage to dispose of. They have tips for handling it when you aren't near running water etc.

Hope that gives a little insight as to why many women prefer and use a product such as The Diva.
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 138 (view)
 
Where do the 30+ women hang out?
Posted: 9/23/2008 11:00:37 PM

Women have been victimized by sexist tradition. They are trained to be passive and docile and wait to be picked up by males. They are taught to fear and suppress their own sexuality, in contrast to males who are expected to celebrate and enjoy theirs. The word "stud" is considered positive, while the word "slut" is an insult.


We may have "come a long way baby" but we sure do seem to have a long way to go. I agree that most women do wait to be picked up by men. I just had a conversation with one of my gf's about that very thing. It was quite the epiphany for both us. Why did we always stand back and wait to see what guy would pick us instead of choosing the one we'd really like to have?? Craziness!

Worse yet, is realizing that it's kind of like a default prize, you get picked by some one and hopefully they happen to be someone you actually like and get along with?? I sometimes wonder if i'm getting too bold for this day and age, but then again, i doubt i'm too over the top, I still hesitate often enough. Ultimately the kind of guy i would like, would totally love that confidence about me, rather than be turned off by it or think it too forward.

That simple realization has caused me to be much more proactive. It also makes sense to me that in this day of "equality" we should be sharing some of the burden of potential rejection too. Why should guys always have to muster up the courage to make an approach? Some of my guy friends really, really hate, the ongoing rejection they have to face in the dating scene. It kind of reminds me of the irony of women wanting equal rights except when it comes time to pay the bill. We don't mind equality until it gets difficult or potentially unpleasant...?? hmmm.......
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 58 (view)
 
Difficult personality
Posted: 9/22/2008 8:32:19 PM
Been there done that, not interested in being there ever again. Red flags all over the place with that situation. If they don't have the maturity to hear you out when you bring your concerns up in a considerate manner then you are probably fighting a losing battle. In my experience completely not worth the effort.

I remember trying so hard to find a way to word things so that he would listen and not feel threatened or attacked to no avail. I always felt like i had no voice in the relationship or his respect. I do believe you both should be able to voice your concerns to your partner.
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 3 (view)
 
I think I just got played...
Posted: 9/22/2008 8:21:48 PM
I never think it is all that wise to choose to love someone you have never actually met....
 Flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 187 (view)
 
Why Women Prefer Taller Men - The definitive answer
Posted: 9/9/2008 12:20:43 AM

Some people are calling it a 'preference', I call it 'insecurity'. That's pretty shallow that some women won't date shorter guys. And it's All because of the way you think other people will look at you.

I like little people. They make me smile.

I like short girls but I'd date a taller girl. It would be nice to have some muscle with me when I go out.



LOL!!! Is it just me or did the last paragraph not just state a preference??? :)
 Flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 186 (view)
 
Why Women Prefer Taller Men - The definitive answer
Posted: 9/9/2008 12:05:14 AM

I don't care what the op's intention was, everyone knows when they start these types of thread where it ends up. Not to mention that his "logical" explaination has a lot of stereotypes with no real proof and is extremely ignorant and offensive in a lot of ways.


Actually, no, everyone does not make an assumption of where these "types of threads" end up, so please don't speak for others. Some of us actually feel that true discussion can occur within any thread. Often there are points of view expressed that I haven't necessarily thought of and I can appreciate hearing what others think. Certainly there are those opinions that I don't personally care much for but I am fully capable of choosing not to let that impact me. It's just an opinion.

As far as your previous post to this post which I quoted, I believe it was message 158... while I can appreciate the sentiment behind it, in my opinion it is rather harsh and also a pretty broad generalization which could be considered "extremely ignorant and offensive in a lot of ways". Why judge and condemn? Do you have any spirit of live and let live or do you feel that we should all be completely neutral and politically correct in every way? We are all different and do and will have different preferences, which generally works out rather nicely in light of the variety in our world.

I understand, wanting people to accept unconditionally, for them to not be shallow or quick to judge... I just don't think that anger and harsh condemnation will really change people's way of thinking. In some ways I think you even become some of what you dislike in others....

Just food for thought...
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 43 (view)
 
Can you be too independent?
Posted: 8/28/2008 10:55:31 PM
Midnight Storms...

I think there is a point where we just need to be who we are and stop trying to suit others. It is alright if you feel like altering things a bit, just to try to work with people, but if it starts to feel fake or forced.... i think it's too much. We need to be true to who we are.

I kind of get to the point where I'm willing to consider other's POV but i'm not really willing to alter who i am to suit every person i meet. Who i am is unique, unless i try to please everyone, if we keep trying to adjust for other people i think we risk becoming generic, or made to order - that's not something i will do. I will make concessions if i doesn't matter to me on a fundamental level, but i think there is a place for standing your ground for what you believe in.

Maybe you just need to find a good match who works well with your personality type.

If you are finding it difficult it is likely either because it challenges you on some level or because it just plain goes against your grain - listen to your intuition!
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 112 (view)
 
The Gym
Posted: 8/28/2008 8:54:46 PM
Seems my gym is pretty well behaved. People are there to work out and do so. There is some eye contact especially as you move around the gym, or head to the fountain to refill your water bottle, maybe a smile or nod or "excuse me". That's the extent of it...

I appreciate that. Though I can't say I would be adverse to a cute guy saying hello at some point if i'm not in the middle of working out. Sometimes i think it would be a good place to meet a guy as I am highly interested in fitness and being active... it's just a tough environment, i think you have to watch for green light signals... or just play it safe. Guess we'll all ignore each other ... or we'll do whatever the hell we want and deal with the consequences. Life's a gamble...
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 102 (view)
 
Where do the 30+ women hang out?
Posted: 8/28/2008 7:43:43 PM



Well, I would have said 40 to 45, but maybe that's because I am old. A woman by 40 to 45 has usually figured out who she is. She has survived some life experiences and acquired a life story that makes her unique and interesting, with a personality for you to explore. She has endured some disappointments and healed some bruises and she now knows at last that life is not a fairytale so she is ready to encounter you as a human being, not just as a candidate to fulfill a juvenile fantasy.


I really relate to this and i'm 34, maybe i don't have down completely but i would say by and large i'm most the way there. That means by my 40's things should be rocking..... : )
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 96 (view)
 
Where do the 30+ women hang out?
Posted: 8/27/2008 11:05:25 PM

Just what's wrong with the 20+ women? Have you got something against firm breasts? Do you prefer bitter vindictive women?


Ahhhhh, yes, good point! Exactly... what's wrong with the 20 + guys? Do I have something against firm behinds, flat abs and bulging biceps? Do I prefer bitter stereotyping men?

...just saying. *shrugs with a cheeky grin*


Don't you worry, though all kidding aside, i think many men in their 30's and 40's are still plenty hot, intelligent, active and emotionally stable.

Labels and assumptions serve little purpose and tend to be inaccurate and negative, so why bother?

I think a lot of you guys may need to crack a beer and enjoy, perhaps go to happy hour with our OP and actually be happy!!! Seriously , do you guys really feel this way for real?
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 95 (view)
 
Where do the 30+ women hang out?
Posted: 8/27/2008 10:55:11 PM

In general, 30+ women rarely leave home, as you've discovered. Read the profiles here -- they are seriously waiting for a 'knight in shining armor' to 'rescue' them from their couch at home.

That's the main reason why most of us older guys date younger women -- they still get out in the world.



Ha ha ha ha!!!!!


Oh, I had no idea that this is how my age group is perceived by some!!! I am rarely home it seems. I do go out and dance because i love electronica but i don't go to pick up or be picked up, I go because a dj i like is playing. I also don't tend to frequent the meat market type bars, i stick to more underground venues with good music. I also trail run, play ultimate frisbee, love love love snowboarding, hike, and generally like to be active. If I had the bike, i'd probably take up down hill mountain biking. I'd like to go paragliding or sky diving and i'd like to learn to wakeboard or kite board (?) In short i wish i could work less and play far more.

Knight in shining armour? The last guy i dated, couldn't keep up with me and his ego had a hell of a time with that, especially as he was younger and told me i was too OLD for him. Sheesh!

I don't want to be rescued, nor do i want to sit around. I can't wait to find someone who is my equal so that we can go have all this fun together. I'm not waiting around though, because life is here to be lived, and i don't want to look back in regret. I do things by myself, i don't need a guy or a posse of girlfriends to do any of it, but i enjoy and cherish the times that i have company doing the things i love.

I think you've inspired me to make a speech *blushes* ummm ok, i think i'm done. Honestly though , i really enjoyed these POV's for their humour content. I hope you guys are joking, for if this is really how it is I feel bad for all involved. I hope you aren't bitter?!

I have to admit that sometimes i date younger myself, or seem to be drawn to younger just because they tend to be very active and don't seem so set in their ways. I think the next generation is more self aware and open to new ideas and ways...
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 26 (view)
 
Can you be too independent?
Posted: 8/27/2008 10:40:47 PM

Big question though can you just choose to become more engaged, do you think that it's that easy. Seems like helping yourself and handling things yourself can become a habit. I also see now where not asking who she went out with or where'd she go as seeming not caring or interested. That wasn't my intent though just didn't want to come off as nosey of possesive.



I think you can choose it, though it may not be easy, but then again maybe it could be! I think we can choose whatever we want, it's more a matter of how committed we are to seeing that outcome through.

It's also imported to make sure we authentically want what we say we "choose" or we are bound to fail.

I think it's important to be self sufficient, but it's maybe alright to balance it with letting others help us sometimes.

I think you could ask if she enjoyed her night, or what her favourite part of the outing was. These questions show interest, without risking looking possessive.
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
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Can you be too independent?
Posted: 8/27/2008 9:45:49 PM
To the OP

You sound perfect to me... i would appreciate a man like that. Seems pretty balance all round.
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 40 (view)
 
31 and divorced male... How do I get past this.
Posted: 8/14/2008 2:48:00 PM
Get past what??? well that is my first response from reading your forum title... the rest, yeah a little trickier.

I don't know dude, it's really more their problem then your's but i guess it becomes your's. people are judgmental and make assumptions.. not much you can do about that.

I would focus on your life, make friends, find some things you enjoy doing.. people will get to know you socially, get to know your story etc.... don't worry about meeting someone so much.

In fact... you realize that your ex can't prevent you from seeing your child unless she truly has a valid reason and that would have to be a court decision.... go to court, get back your rights as a father. Maybe people assume you are abusive or something because you don't see your child, most people think a parent would never stand for this unless they can't because they have done something wrong.

your child needs you, don't let a bitter ex get in your way...
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 127 (view)
 
Women That Wear Thongs...
Posted: 4/18/2008 8:20:36 PM
It's all about personal choice, fortunately there is a wide variety of what women like AND what the men like on them....

I won't wear thongs i find uncomfortable... no thanks. I find sometimes the tanga style thongs are nicer, more comfy, often with wider lace waist bands, therefore sexy. If i wasn't worried about panty lines i love the boy shorts.... lace, plain, combination of both, comfortable and they make you look fabulous!!
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 5 (view)
 
Struggling
Posted: 2/19/2008 4:50:24 AM
I was married at a really young age, went from my marriage into a committed relationship (which i should of been committed for doing so , looking back ;P) and i found it odd to be alone for the first time in my late 20's. Now i kind of relish it when i find myself single. After a bad and dangerous relationship i decided it was time for a time out. Time out to figure out who i was, what i wanted and how to avoid putting myself in anymore unhealthy relationships. I vowed that i would never again settle for a relationship that did not bring me happiness most of the time. Through that time i learned that i love life, love who I am (usually, it's an ongoing battle for most of us i suspect) and that i can definitely take care of myself.

I could almost literally hear the clock of life tick tocking away loudly in my ear and realized that my happiness and fulfillment couldn't wait any longer, couldn't wait for the right man. I now will not have a relationship for any other reason than that it works for both and is fun and an addition to my already great life. So now if i find myself single it's a time to enjoy doing whatever i want, whenever i want. To be alive and vibrant. I want to keep practicing that so I can sustain it when in a relationship, so that i won't settle for anything less than awesome.

Oh i've had my time, where i didn't eat for days out of sorrow and secretly wanted HIM to know how i suffered. At the end of the day we suffer the most from this, and i've learned that if it isn't working to let it go. Let it go so you can move on with your life, so that you don't force something that may well bring you even bigger hurt down the road. I like being in relationships too, but now i also enjoy being alone. I guess i'm just learning to like my life and me since i am the lead actor. I loved and thought i would never find someone like that to love again, but what i've found is that i can indeed love like that and maybe even more. Also that the relationships tend to be improving in quality, though you didn't think there was really anything wrong with the relationship you had been in.

So you are most afraid of not finding anyone better. It could happen, but then what? Really explore what the worst that could happen would be. Chances are you'll survive it, in fact you are right now even if you don't feel that great. If you keep living in fear and staying safe in your sorrow you will never have a chance to find out if you will find someone beyond your wildest dreams.

You are gorgeous, seem intelligent; you have a lot going for you from what i can tell. There are a lot of men looking for good women... I suggest you take some time to focus on your life to make a list of what you want for yourself and then chart a course of action to go after that. As much as we love men, we shouldn't let it get in the way of having a life we truly love. In that list include one about your ideal relationship/man. You may realize that your past relationship wasn't really all that you wanted, or not, I don't know the particulars of your relationship; but if you have this list you will be clear about what it is that you are looking for yourself when some guy does start to pique your interest again.

You need to start believing, truly believing that you deserve better if you truly think that. So you let go, as many times as you have to. You don't cry for quite as long each day. You are the General in this battle, you can make peace if you really want it. I know i see saw between being fine and not being fine at all. I just keep reminding myself that it is ok, it is part of life, i've been hurt and sad before and it did get better. In fact now that i have experienced things a few times, i find it doesn't take so long to get back on track because i do truly know it will get better and I believe more in what is meant to be and what isn't.

Take heart, keep choosing life full of possibilities instead of living out of the past and fear. Sorry for going on so much, i tend to ramble... lol, hope it helps!
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 45 (view)
 
I'm an idiot
Posted: 2/19/2008 4:15:49 AM
YOU GO, GIRL!!!

I don't even call it "Dating land" or "Adventures in Dating" anymore...I call it IHOP because of all the waffling guys.


Ahahahahhahahaha! Thanks so much for that Ladyc4. Heh IHOP ...waffling boys. Loving it!

Man, i just went through some major wafflage, and trust me there was not nearly enough whipped cream, or strawberries or chocolate syrup to make up for the frustration, confusion and hurt. No man had ever tell me again that it's just us women who play games and are hard to understand and love drama.... all people do it, including the guys!!

I've been told not to rush into things, to not care too much, that i wasn't caring enough; it just kept on going -opposing messages. Where the hell is the sticker that says "This end up".

oh well... such is life, and in the meanwhile IHOP will make me chuckle... heh i know i waffle at times too so i'll refrain from applying it only to the guys.

OP i decided recently that i wasn't going to stop loving and feeling just because i might get hurt. I'll try to be careful, but i'm not going to go through this life shut down and constrained in case i'll get hurt. Heck may as well count on getting hurt and carry on living life the way you want knowing that. Not in a pessimistic way, but free, because why worry about it? Look out for yourself but savour the moments that do work, even if they are only a moment, or two weeks, or two years.....
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Struggling
Posted: 2/19/2008 4:02:48 AM
Sorry to hear that darlin. I shouldn't read these forums they're just sad, but i was looking for a bit of solace myself. Heck I only had 2 months in and i'm struggling. I hear you on the same circle of friends though neither of us has another at this time, it could happen at any point. Yes, it was short, but we also connected very strongly, i have a hard time letting go of the fun and closeness.

It's a choice, to let go, over and over again. To feel what you feel but to choose how long you are going to tolerate feeling that way. We have to grieve, it's a process, but try to limit how much you do it or you'll get stuck. Keep focusing on the things in life that make you happy. Take up some of the things you have always wanted to do but haven't. It's all pretty basic stuff that everyone will tell you, but nothing will help including therapy unless you truly want to let go.

We are human, we love, we get attached, we even weirdly get addicted to our suffering. It takes sheer strength of will to choose life and thriving. It really is your choice, sure you feel like you can't get over him, but you can if you are committed to doing so. We've all done it.

The other thing i've learned and i've had everything from a 13 yr marriage to the recent relationship of only a few months... we really can fall for someone else. There are so many potential people out there that we can be drawn to and even love. I never believed it, i remember one really bad relationship where , i felt like if i let it go i would never find anything better. Boy i'm glad i was wrong and that i found that out. I've found soooo much better since then, sometimes i think we are progressing always growing and moving up in our relationships.

It's good that you've tried so many things to be constructive, but if it's not working, you need to realize that you are the only common denominator. Maybe it's time to start asking yourself why you won't let go, why you won't free yourself. What are you afraid of? What is the worst that could happen if you let this go? Do you truly believe you deserve to be happy? Is there a side of you that wants him to see how you suffer over the lost relationship? Do you still want him back? Do you not see the issues that caused the break up? You have to be painfully honest with yourself and then choose what you want for yourself and your life. There is no easy way, but we only tolerate what we tolerate, if we TRULY don't want it to be that way then we will find a way to CHANGE it.

Also consider you just need a bit more time... 4 months isn't all that long, don't they say you need half the length of the relationship to get sorted out after it ending as a rule of thumb??

I definitely wish you the best with all this, hope you start feeling better soon. Life is too short to waste too much time feeling empty... you'll never get this time back. What would you be doing if you weren't busy feeling sad?
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 111 (view)
 
Rejected once again
Posted: 2/19/2008 3:34:15 AM
We all experience rejection at some point in our life. In fact i find most of us are all running around like we are in the dark banging into each other not meaning to hurt each other and not being able to find what we want. Seems a good majority of people are struggling in their attempts to pair up.

Heck i just got rejected, burns like hell, but i'll live. I know my value. I know there is no point trying to force something to work. I know that i can't pretend to be someone i'm not. I know that i'm the source of my own happiness regardless of my relationship status. I can take it personally or not, it is what it is. My life is my life, and i can waste it being hurt or feeling sorry for myself or i can choose to keep savouring every moment of it.

I know it hurts... that's why i'm up at 3:30 in the morning trying to clear my head, knowing i should go to sleep. I accept that as a natural part of caring. While I give myself full permission to feel my feelings, i will not wallow in self pity.

Others have mentioned it and I agree, live your life for you, do the things you want, take action to have what you want out of your life. You will not get this time back, so it's best that you not waste it focusing only on the fact that you don't have ONE thing you want. Keep your eye out for a gal that likes you for you exactly the way you are, at that time in your life. It may happen, it may not... we're all in the same boat.

Get excited about what you want to do tomorrow, in a year, in five years... i'm sure you will be glad you did and good luck finding a partner in crime!!
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 56 (view)
 
A fascinating concept of love
Posted: 1/18/2008 6:22:04 PM
OP, i completely understand what you mean. I see from the first few posts to your topic that most other people will not.

It is such a different concept that people won't understand it initially...and some won't understand at all.

It's not loving haphazardly, it's with intention. If you are going to love someone, then choose to love them without expectation. You don't just love unconditionally no matter what they do, obviously common sense is required. The point is that you love because you choose to, to bring happiness to that person you care about. If you have no expectations, then you don't become disappointed and upset by their reactions. You're ok with whatever is, because the point was to love them, not to get a specific reaction. Yes i know bizarre thought, because we generally always love with expectations and are quite adept at getting our nose all out of joint when we don't get the desired response.

I definitely have thoughts on this, and have been mulling over this concept myself, recently. I'll be interested to see what thoughts are put out there by other posters.
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 108 (view)
 
Women are Hypocrites!
Posted: 1/15/2008 2:29:57 PM
Good of you to speak up cosmo guy... i'm glad that not all men believe that. I do agree there are women like this out there, but i really don't see it as being a majority thing. I think the writer of that article has only experienced a certain kind of woman and is a tad bitter.

To be honest i've had boyfriends like that... one past ex would give me the cold shoulder frequently, even during special occasions, including my birthday. He also tended to verbally castrate me... if i had the goods, so to speak, and also make me feel like some hitler female for just trying to discuss an issue with him. One of our last arguments was around that fact that when he finally ran out of things to talk about, about himself over dinner out, he started watching the tv instead taking any interest in me or my world. You do not want to know what it felt like when i pointed this out.... lol, whooo eeeee, good thing i'm not made of cotton fluff.

It was baffling and very unsettling to be with someone that behaved like this, it was a huge weight off my shoulders once i was no longer around that one. The reality is that pretty much any behaviour we can point to is possible with both males and females, and it would probably be in our best interests to quit stereotyping and be proponents of positive and healthy behaviour.
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 70 (view)
 
Multiple dates.....do you tell the other dates?
Posted: 1/15/2008 2:16:09 PM
OP, I would only date more than one guy at a time if i truly was doing it to ensure i was choosing what i wanted and what is best for me. I would not do as an attempt to bring out their competitive side. I think that is just being manipulative which isn't a way i want to be, and I know first hand that guys then think you are just playing games or straight up being a player. Not how i want to come across.

The reason i think it is fair to tell them if you are dating others is simply, for the sake of honesty and integrity. I think maybe a first date does not require this information but if you are going to continue to see them i think it is only fair.

I think that we have to have integrity and honesty if we expect it from those around us. Be the change we want to see...
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 52 (view)
 
Sleeping with some one on a first date
Posted: 12/21/2007 5:50:15 AM
and btw, i really appreciated and agreed with your first post cunning linguist, thought your second one was a bit bitter and then found your third to be very reasonable once again. I aspire to be that kind of woman you speak of in your last post. I don't want to play games or follow rules made up by someone i don't even know if i agree with... or a bunch of someones for that matter.

I think it can be terrifying to be honest, and to be yourself and do what you want... but it is so authentic and gratifying most of the time. If it it doesn't work for the other person, then at least you know, instead of having to maintain some facade...
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 51 (view)
 
Sleeping with some one on a first date
Posted: 12/21/2007 5:31:41 AM
I think i'm going to start testing a radical new theory out. You all ready for this??

Next time i find myself in a situation, i'm going to actually try just being completely honest. You know just talking about it, saying how you feel and what your concerns are. I'm just getting more and more how twisted it is, that we can have sex without talking about it first, trying to guess what the other person thinks. We have SEX, we get up close and personal, and put parts of our bodies together, and we can't even tell them what we are feeling!!! Honestly it blows my mind. How did this happen.

Even more so... why are we having sex without making sure both people want to have sex... We seem to have it that, if someone doesn't say no, it means yes. How wild would it be to actually ask if they want to have sex, to make sure they are comfortable with it? Why are we just hoping it's all good or that they will be too caught up in the moment, or are too timid to speak up..instead of wanting to know they full on want to participate in this coming together (pardon the pun, of course)? Ok i know, there are some more evolved people that do this, but i would say the majority of people are still playing the guessing game.

*shaking my head*
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 41 (view)
 
wet girl
Posted: 12/21/2007 5:09:05 AM
To waterway 1

Lol @ the irony of your user name, thank god you're being sarcastic or i would have had far, far too much fun with you!
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 57 (view)
 
Why do men lie on the question * Do you do drugs*?
Posted: 12/19/2007 1:24:54 AM

There are a lot of things that I wouldn’t have a problem telling someone that I was interested it or who was interested in me but to state it for all to see just so they can use this black/white info as a means of filtering doesn’t sit well – for me.

You want to know about my past? My sexual experiences? Relationships? Drug or alcohol use, etc? that’s all part of getting to know someone and until things reach a ‘getting to know’ stage I’m not so sure that I should be expected to reveal these things online for all to see – regardless whether there’s anything to reveal or not.


That, my friend, is EXACTLY how i feel. If people want to make assumptions about who i am because i "prefer not to say" on my profile, then fair enough, move along.

The best part for me is that some are yes and some are no. What i love is that it would be in my best interests to say the yes or no on some of them, but i refuse to be so easily labeled. If you don't want to get to know me and decide for yourself what kind of person i am, i'm cool with that and happy to have avoided the experience. I will indeed be honest and have stated so in my profile, my intention is not to mislead or out right lie, it is only as you say to keep some semblance of privacy for myself in this very public format.

On the other hand i respect that people feel very strongly about some issues and therefore having this information upfront would of course be crucial for them. Though i sometimes wonder if this disclosing on our profiles is really helping all that much anyway, because as many have stated, what hasn't been lied about. Ha hahah, it's all kind of funny the more you think about it... you think you know someone because they volunteer all this information: height, body type, marital status, astrology sign, drinking and drug habits, children; and the reality is you still will never really know somebody until you actually get to know them. If nothing else it's a tool that will help separate who you are interested in, but i also see that it also lets many be self righteous and indignant...
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 78 (view)
 
Is online dating too hard?
Posted: 12/18/2007 5:12:41 PM

i think the women dont want to move ....its cosy for them the way it is....the longer u sit here the worse it looks on the site....i think the powers that be would take my view over urs ladies...if u want a tea partty ..send invitations..but do it on ur own time...


Could you further explain this please? What are you saying is going on, or what are you saying should be?
 flowers from the fire
Joined: 10/12/2007
Msg: 77 (view)
 
Is online dating too hard?
Posted: 12/18/2007 5:09:30 PM

no but at least in here i know who is single and looking....when was the last time u approached a strange female in the real world......ill tell u one of two things happen....she will do her best to humiliate u....or she will string u along for a while and then do her best to humiliate u.....its an uglt place out there if u not in the loop....and evem then..who says u want any available in ur loop..?



Ummm, WOW. That is quite the attitude you have there... how's it working out for you?

You know, we've all been on the receiving end on some less than fun experiences, but it's how you choose to react to them that is in YOUR control. If you feel that way about women why on earth do you want to even be with one??

I'd suggest you may want to think a bit about who you are in all of this, and about who you want to be regardless of how other people are. I've been much happier ever since i stopped playing the victim and started to look at how I need to be to be happy with or without a man in my life.
 
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