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Thread: don't vote
works_from_home
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don't vote
Posted:
12/14/2007 9:51:53 AM
If we're going to vote for parties, then we need proportional representation. Get 5% of the vote, you get 5% of the seats. Instead of each district going to a Democrat or a Republican
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Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
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12/14/2007 8:48:21 AM
Military industrial complex. A lot of wealthy and powerful individuals make money off war/defence. This militarization has cost a lot of money, and much of that money is borrowed. To avoid going into default and keep the money coming in, America needs economic leverage over oil markets, and a military presence in the oil-producing nations.
Combine that with an economy that is very wasteful and inefficient, America imports most of it's oil, so security in the energy trade is paramount
And energy's importance world wide. Russia is an oil producing country and would like to replace America as top dog in the MIddle EAst, so they can become rich. China needs to secure their own energy imports as well if they want to chart a more independent course.
If America is not prepared to act and place armies in a place like Iraq, inevitably some other country will, and that will create massive economic and strategic consequences.
There's a whole lot of reasons, but the one over riding reason is because that's where the oil is.
works_from_home
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don't vote
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12/14/2007 8:42:14 AM
"..silly person"? No, just fed up with losers who ONLY like to whine rather than actually DOING anything about the situation that's bothering them.
I stand by my statement; If you don't vote, then shut up about how the country is being run.
Might as well go to a restaurant, tell the waiter "Surprise me" and then complain about the meal you're served.
If you don't vote, you give up your right to legitimately b*tch about those in power.
surprise me??? Are you really that surprised by our election results? Did you fall out of your seat when they announced that another corporate lackey had won?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But if I go to for breakfast with my friends, and all they serve is bacon and sausage, and I don't eat pork, then I don't have to choose. I can sit and have a coffee and join in the dinner conversation anyway. And if I don't vote because I don't feel any of the candidates represents my views that's my choice. It doesn't mean I'm giving up my rights to have an opinion and speak my mind.
Freedom of speech is a right. In Canada voting is a right. Having an opinion is a right. It doesn't mean that I have to vote, or you have to have an opinion or my decision not to vote.
works_from_home
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don't vote
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12/13/2007 9:14:30 PM
I wouldn't vote either. They have machines to do that now so people don't make a mistake and vote for the wrong guy.
" i don't know about you, but i'm not voting,"
Well then, shut up.
You just forfeited your right to comment on anything to do with the running of the country.
We'll expect to NOT see any more posts from you in the "Politics" threads.
No he didn't. Speaking your mind is a right. Voting is not a right. Neither is it a duty. Perhaps you who should stop posting in the politics threads because you are obviously a very silly person.
works_from_home
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Bush Vetoes Kids Health Insurance Bill - Again
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12/13/2007 4:54:42 PM
Dems are shills. They oppose the war, but approve the war budget. That's their job. To say one thing, and do another, and make an unscrupulous son of a **** like Bush appear to have integrity.
Bush vetoed the health bill. For the same reason the legislature sent him a ****ed up bill. Because nobody in Washington has any intention of providing public health insurance to the working poor.
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Ex-CIA agent: Waterboarding 'saved lives'
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12/13/2007 4:32:58 PM
Strategic information doesn't have a very long shelf life. When the Canadians catch a "terrorist" he's dropped off at the local police station where the cops go to work with a pair of pliers.
Whether or not you talk, you won't leave that room alive. You'll tell them nothing and die of shock. Or tell them what they know and get a bullet to silence your screams. Torture is dirty work. Chances are the torturer doesn't enjoy it and is looking forward to hiding the evidence of what has just done.
By the time you fly your terrorist back to Guantanamo, his associates already know the plan's been compromised and found a new place to crash.
Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib are about sending a message. This is what will happen if you oppose us. We will lock you up forever. Parade you around in your underwear and force you to sodomize each other, robbing you of your pride, your dignity, and your manhood. You will become a number, property of the United States of America. To be used whenever it suits us to humiliate your family and your nation. You will never see them again.
The rest don't survive their torture, and it's never talked about. That's what mass graves are for. To hide the evidence.
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Ex-CIA agent: Waterboarding 'saved lives'
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12/13/2007 8:03:11 AM
Of course we torture. Our history is full of torturers and murderers.
Canada sent an entire generation of Aboriginal children to live in reformatories where they were systematically molested, malnourished, neglected, beaten, tortured and outright murdered in an effort to assimilate and destroy the Indians culture. And what a fine job we did. Indian reservations now rank as 3rd world nations in terms of health and literacy. A once proud people, succumbing to a marginal existence of suicide and substance abuse. Today it's the poor have their children taken away from them and put in protective custody where they are raped. Or boot camps run by sadists. The message is clear. You will obey. Help us catch the bad guys and your children won't be raped.
Even Hitler didn't molest an entire generation of children to make his point. That's what we do. At Abu Ghraib. we sexually humiliate the Iraqis. Force them to wear dog collars and smear themselves in shit and leak the photos to the media. So the whole world can see Iraq is our bitch.
We talk a load of bs about how we tie people to tables and subject them to "coercive interrogation techniques". But we don't torture people. The Iraqis get the point. Don't get in the way of the white man or you'll find yourself in a rape room at the end of a long stick. Or going to the hospital to find your child was decapitated by a daisy cutter. "Collateral damage".
Once the dirty work's been done, you'll never hear about it again. Nobody talks about the incest happening on the Indian reservations. The domestic violence, the suicides, the substance abuse that has overwhelmed them. The Indians are too ashamed to talk about their conquest by a bureaucracy of perverts and sociopaths. We've committed some of the most foul and despicable crimes known to man. But all you see on the history channel is more hysteria about Hitler.
When it comes to questions about torture, and right v. wrong, the bottom line is this. The international system is an anarchy. There's no referee to call a time out when one side breaks the rules and begins torturing prisoners, bombing children, and raping captured combatants. Penalties are distributed after the war's end at the peace conference. Where the losing side is stripped of its wealth and resources, and their leaders replaced with a compliant regime.
All these laws against torture and genocide were written by the same governments who practice torture and genocide. So they can force other governments to play by their rules. When Saddam Hussein bombs a village that's been causing him trouble, he's a monster. When Bush kills 100,000 Iraqi civilians, he's a statesman bringing democracy and stability to a troubled region.
Even though our system of constitutional government has become a farce, both congress and the judiciary ignoring the crimes of the Bush administration, we hold it up as a shining example for the world to emulate. "Democracies don't go to war" they say. We will gang up on another country like Yugoslavia or Iraq. Tell the United Nations to go stuff themselves while we bomb another nation to rubble, build bases on their territory, rob them of their resources and execute their leaders. But democracies never go to war with one another.
The only referee in this conflict is our own conscience if we have one. Will Canada continue to hand captured combatants over to the American authorities or a puppet government to be tortured? Of course we will. We tortured an entire nation of people so we could rob them of their identity and their land. Because at the end of the day, we are not going to compromise our own self-interest. We won't cross the United States on any grounds. We'll let them do the dirty work, and turn a blind eye to their war crimes same as the American congress, the media, and most of the public are turning a blind eye.
When it's all over, Canada will supply our own crop of distinguished judges and academics to help them negotiate the terms of peace and surrender and pave the way for a better world. Because we are better than the Americans. We sent a token force to prevent a genocide in Africa. And when they were caught torturing an African boy to death, we disbanded the regiment. Hooray for Canada and our brave peacekeepers.
The corporate media do a good job of cheering on the war machine. they're owned by the same class of people who own the oil companies, the politicians, the think tanks, the distinguished private universities and the arms machine. All their eggs are in the same basket. Power at all costs. Cover your tracks.
Torture is getting a lot of attention because it's gross. It makes us all uncomfortable to think something like that could be happening to another human being. But when the Bush administration retaliated against a journalist, by unlawfully revealing his wife's CIA identity, that got a lot of attention as well. The violation of his freedom of speech, the way he was bullied and his wife was made the victim made us uncomfortable. But the administration will get away with it. None of the systems in place, the judiciary or the legislature, are prepared to stop them.
All that's left is the conscience of the people. And most of them are on board. Just like the Germans supported what the Nazis were doing. It's for the national good. They deserve it. Bush has found a scapegoat to further his cause and its terrorists. The American brags that he would force a terrorists head into a pot of boiling water. It doesn't matter that Bush has killed far more Iraqis than all the Americans killed by terrorists in all of time. It's not about revenge or beating them at their own game. It's about controlling that part of the world's natural resources. Protecting regimes that will do business on America's terms, and removing those who don't comply at all cost.
works_from_home
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Okay very simple question, why is America fighting in Iraq?
Posted:
12/12/2007 12:24:17 PM
why is America fighting in Iraq?
For the same reason America sponsors Israel, supported the Shah of Iran, supports the House of Saud, armed both sides in the Iran-Iraq war and evicted Iraqi forces from Kuwait. Because that's where the oil is. And if America intends to remain a military and economic superpower, it must have some say over that oil. Who buys it, whose currency is used to buy it, who gets to sell it, and where they must invest the proceeds from those oil sales. There's a lot at stake.
The biggest change since 30 years ago is technology and economic growth have accelerated the need to have a greater military presence in the Middle East. The competition has gotten more fierce.
Iran could get a nuke and become a regional power, able to resist American Imperialism. Russia could get involved. Russia has a lot of oil and with their involvement, make OPEC a much stronger organization. China could expand into Central Asia. The only thing curbing their growth is America's control over the oil they need. If it wasn't for our occupation of Afghanistan, the Chinese could very well be in Central Asia right now, and telling us to go **** ourselves. Then 9.11 happened and America built a dozen bases all around Afghanistan and Pakistan on China's western border.
All these things are happening at once. It's not as simple as it was 30 years ago when we could give some dictator a couple million to do our dirty work and give us the oil. We are in the end game. The earth is full with people starving every day, wars being fought left and right to hang on to what's left. Resource prices are skyrocketing. Nations that do not secure those resources will fail.
The critical event will be whether or not Iran gets the bomb. Probably they won't get the bomb because neither Russia nor USA wants them to have it. But Russia doesn't want USA to eliminate the last anti-American regime in the region. So they will arm the Iranians. That's one of the most important reasons for having bases in Iraq. For the full-no assault on Iran to succeed.
Parking 200,000 troops in Iraq was a no-brainer.
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Ex-CIA agent: Waterboarding 'saved lives'
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12/12/2007 11:56:46 AM
Of course the government tortures people. Because it works.
Murder is illegal too but it would be naive to think we will ever live in a world where people aren't going to rape and murder one another. As long as we have governments, we will have torture, oppression and genocide. Because it works.
If you oppose torture and genocide, then you should oppose the government and their war. Stop paying taxes. Stop consuming oil. Oppose any and all military expenditure. Because that's what this is about. Powerful people making a lot of money. Regardless of how their actions affect others.
The Bush administration has lied, they have destroyed evidence. They have no respect for the law or the rights of others.
The people of the Middle East have borne the brunt of American Imperialism. While the American people have chosen to pretend it does not exist.
works_from_home
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Black men must reclaim our children
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12/12/2007 11:22:23 AM
The fathers are probably dead or in jail.
Ultimately it is the mothers who chose to have children with these men, and the mothers who are responsible for raising these kids.
My dad wasn't around either. But my mother didn't let me grow up to become a criminal. So we need to blame the mothers who are raising these kids as much as the fathers who are not raising them.
Instead of having children to collect welfare benefits, black women should learn to stand on their own two feet, and stop playing the victim mentality. Whether they're blaming white people, or men.
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THE BALTIMORE NINE?
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12/11/2007 9:13:54 AM
I visited Washington DC and Baltimore and got to see a lot of blacks along the way. Young black men in my opinion specialize in being noisy and obnoxious. Seems anywhere there are black men, there is yelling, swearing, pushing, shoving, and inevitably violence.
In a civilized country people grow out of this behaviour. But even adult blacks seem to enjoy passive aggressive behavior like blocking people's way, talking in loud voices, and playing their rap music at full volume with the windows rolled down.
Their ego-driven ghetto culture is completely out of place in an America where the majority of Americans go out of their way to extend basic courtesies like waiting their turn, talking in inside voices, and minding their children.
But I'm glad this issue is getting some attention. Because people are sick of it. And are getting the courage to speak out thanks to the ridiculous spectacle of blacks blaming white victims for their anti-social behavior.
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Baby tax needed to save planet, claims expert
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12/11/2007 8:29:09 AM
The planet will carry on just fine without us.
But us population continues to grow, there will be scarcity and competition over resources. Markets will allocate those resources to the highest bidder. Some will starve to death. Others will drive cars that run on food.
Starving billions of people isn't pretty. But we live in a rich country. And if you don't want to watch an African dying of hunger, you can change the channel and watch something else.
works_from_home
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THE IMMIGRATION DEBATE
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11/29/2007 3:36:38 PM
Call them what they are... illegal aliens. Put them on a bus and ship them back. Fine anyone who hires an illegal alien.
When the supply of illegal labor dries up, business, government and workers can hammer out an immigration policy that is legal.
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Hypocrites and their Illegal Alien Friends
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11/29/2007 2:53:08 PM
Gotta love it when the gloves come off.
Tempers still raw after fractious Republican debate
By Steve Holland
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla., Nov 29 (Reuters) - Tempers were raw between rival Republican presidential candidates Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney on Thursday after a lively debate that included what the Romney camp called a nasty attack by Giuliani.
The two candidates -- Giuliani ahead in national polls and Romney leading in the two early voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire -- went toe-to-toe on Wednesday on illegal immigration and other issues.
In the sharpest exchange of the night, Giuliani had a tough response when Romney insisted New York had been a sanctuary city for illegal immigrants when Giuliani was mayor.
Giuliani labeled the former Massachusetts governor's home a "sanctuary mansion" and accused him of turning a blind eye to illegal immigrants working on its upkeep.
"It just happens you have a special immigration problem that nobody else up here has," Giuliani added. "You were employing illegal immigrants."
"I thought that that was Mayor Giuliani showing his nasty side," said Romney communications director Matt Rhoades. "And it was a personal attack of a personal nature, and the audience booed him."
Romney accused Giuliani of trying to deflect attention from his own record on illegal immigration.
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN29219432
Giuliani spoke the truth. People who hire illegal aliens are just as guilty. And the Republican crowd booed him. Illegal aliens are bad. Hiring an illegal and putting an American out of work is just good business.
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Our Friends and Allies
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11/21/2007 3:56:09 PM
The Saudi sells all their oil in USA$. They're sitting on a mountain of US paper.
If America pulled its forces out of the Arab Peninsula, the Saudi Royal Family would go down in a revolution. And the new Bin Ladin style government wouldn't just cut off our supply of oil. They'd pull out of the US economy and send the dollar down the crapper.
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Anybody?
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11/21/2007 3:48:22 PM
Here we are wasting our time and resources, not to mention our troops in Iraq, while another quagmire of urgency is builds in Iran.
The US is building permanent bases in Iraq. Iran is right next door. What are you worried about Iran will get their turn.
Brazil is self sufficient concerning oil and they only started to become that way following the oil wars of 1974.
For America to be so dependent on foreign oil can only mean that it is planned to be that way
Foreign oil is just as good as domestic oil. What America needs is cash.
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Gay men holding hands...
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11/21/2007 10:38:19 AM
I can't help but notice ...
Whenever there's a thread that covers anything to do with a special status group , then , the posters often fall all over themselves to out PC each other , desperately trying to convey how they are "more" supportive of the group being discussed . It's like a PC competition.....and of course , in their "tolerance" , they viciously attack anyone who does not tow the PC line.
Now , it's no fun being PC if there's no one to feel superior to ....no blood in the water , so , if there are no politically incorrect posters to attack , then , it can happen (and did happen) that they actually start to turn on themselves , by completely misinterpreting an obvious PC post that was just using satire to try to convey his PC morally holier-than-thou righteousness .
You are a parody of yourselves , thanks for the laugh , that was a classic .
To the original post ....
Live and let live . To each their own.
lol... so true.
Seeing two homos holding hands and kissing grosses me out. I'm sure it feels great to them and I wish them all the happiness in the world. But I still find it unnatural and sickening to watch.
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Postive things of your Government.
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11/21/2007 10:08:06 AM
We have Hydro Quebec. A publicly owned corporation that builds huge hydro dams in the north that produce a lot of power. Some of the power is used for mining industries that use a lot of power to produce steel and aluminum. In return these regions benefit from having good jobs. And the province benefits from jobs and businesses created to build the dams.
Also a lot of the power is used by the people. We have the lowest electricity prices in North America. Cheap enough we can heat our homes with electricity instead of oil or gas. And the rest we sell to New York at a healthy profit.
And the best part is the power is clean
works_from_home
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not cumming during BJ?
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11/20/2007 9:03:07 PM
Keep practicing.
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Can guys ever just leave well enough alone?
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11/20/2007 7:54:20 PM
When it comes to electronics, engines, anything that can be made more powerful, upgraded or just plain old foostered with... why can't guys just leave it be?
Why in the world does it have to run faster, louder, more powerful than it's original design dictates? And half the time, whatever it is that's been tinkered with no longer works properly... clocks gain or lose time... computers screw up... engines blow...
I don't get this whole concept of having to fix something that's not broken... can someone puuuuuuuuuuuuuullllllllllllease explain this to me? Pretty please?
What's with chicks driving with the check engine light on for three months straight? Or my friend's computer that takes like 20 minutes to boot up because she has so many viruses and stupid programs clogging up her memory. Ever heard of a virus scan? Why don't you women fix your shit?
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Saudi justice- whats' your opinion?
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11/20/2007 11:50:29 AM
I think we should whip criminals too. All of them. Drunk drivers, vandals, wife beaters. Sure it would probably hurt. And they would scream and beg for mercy. But they wouldn't want to go thru that a second time. Just have a doctor supervise the ordeal so they don't die. Then follow that with a couple months of hard labour while they think about what they did. Let them do hard labour by day, and in the evenings they can learn how to read, learn a trade, and taught to live like normal people. Prisons could hire more teachers and social workers to help these people with their problems and less guards. Because anyone who doesn't do his work, or starts fights, or is disrespectful to staff or another inmate, will get another whipping. Show these punks we mean business, and the law is not a joke. They'd be crying all the way to the police station if they knew what was waiting for them.
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Why are we in Afghanistan
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11/20/2007 8:25:21 AM
9.11 was an inside job. The war is for control of the oil. To install a puppet regime in Iraq and keep OPEC on the US Dollar. And keep Russia and China out of Central Asia. To keep Russia from finding markets for their oil. To prevent China from securing their own oil supplies. Control of the oil is paramount. Not just for energy security. But economic and military power.
America doesn't rely on Saudi Arabian crude. But they do rely on Saudi Arabia's oil revenues to fund their national debt and military expenditure . If OPEC were to stop selling their oil in dollars, and re-investing those dollars in American banks, America would become like Wiemar Germany. With a failed currency and an unmanageable debt, and foreign bankers telling them what to do in exchange for loans to keep their economy afloat. That would be intolerable. To American business interests, and the American public.
That's why there's wars. To prepare for bigger wars. World War 3 is coming. We're human. Killing each other is what we do. It's how we survive as a species at the top of the food chain. The strong oppress the weak. Right now th superpowers are just jockeying for position. Before this is all over, billions will starve to death or die fighting over food and water, while we tear the planet up to shit with our war machine. And when it's all over the biggest killers of all will gather to carve up the spoils of war and promise never to do it again..
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US Prisons v. Islamo-Fascist Justice
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11/20/2007 5:54:47 AM
Would you rather be whipped, or have a hand cut off. Or spend a few years living with the very real possibility of being assaulted, gang raped, and possibly contacting HIV/AIDS from your assailants.
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California robbery case brings cries of racism
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11/20/2007 4:53:30 AM
I don't care if the guy was selling dope. You don't break into someone's house at 4 am and start beating people in the head with a baseball bat. Those punks got what they had coming. I think the California law is a little weird charging the surviving thug with murder. Self-defence isn't murder.
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Top Israeli official says barrier meant to ensure Jewish majority in Jerusalem
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11/19/2007 10:13:49 AM
The British promised Palestine to the Jews, and at the same time promised independence to the Arab nations they were colonizing. I don't know what gives one person the right to kick someone else out of their home and take their land, I'm not a lawyer.
But the story of what happened is that while promoting Zionism and promising the Jews a nation of their own, the British also denied immigration visas to Jews fleeing Hitler's regime. While Canada and America did the same. All knowing full well the Nazis would not allow Jews to emigrate to Palestine and compromise Germany's access to the Middle East's oil resources. A situation that left Jews to languish in Nazi concentration camps until the end of the war when the path was clear for them to be used to colonize Palestine.
I have no prejudice towards the Jews. But Jewish nationalism has not benefitted mankind any more than German or Flemish nationalism. I think the bottom line is the Palestinians were living on the land when the Jews made a claim to it, but there are both Jews and Palestinians living on the land today. And all have a legitimate claim because they are all human beings with their own lives and families to think about. Anyone who thinks they can kick someone else out of their home because of the colour of their skin, or what tribe they belong to is full of crap.
I'm all for an equitable settlement to this mess. I don't think the Jewish refugees left Europe with the intention of establishing an apartheid regime in the Middle East and becoming a tool of the American empire. But that is what happened. What Israel/Palestine needs is a reconciliation. Where the moderates can come to a solution that works for the majority on both sides who just want to raise their children someplace safe. And it will take help from many nations. Financial assistance for the economy to transition off of US military aid and create more free-market opportunities for Jews and Palestinians alike. And compassion for both the Jews and the Palestinians from their neighbours. To recognize that Israel is a very small country and needs to be treated fairly when it comes to sharing land and water. Palestinians and Jews could resolve their differences in a new Jerusalem built on commerce, the arts, and tolerance. Not the atrocity of the Holocaust and America's drive to colonize the Middle East. There is no reason this couldn't happen in a region as rich in culture and resources and strategically placed as Palestine.
But partition is not the solution. It is just a new face for the same old problem. Forcing two tribes to co-exist in a dysfunctional manner. What they need is a secular state that treats both people equally. Recognizes that all Jews and Palestinians have an equal right to land, security and opportunity because that is how you make a stable society. Not by putting up walls and forcing your enemies to live in ghettos.
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Do you really support our troops?
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11/19/2007 9:14:01 AM
It's their job. I'm all for building better veterans hospitals and giving them decent pensions. But if they didn't know they were signing up to risk life and limb in a war they should have paid better attention in History class. America has always fought to protect it's national interest. Right now that interest is oil. Providing the global economy a stable supply of oil, and providing the US economy a stable supply of cash for our national debt and adjusted rate mortgages. To do that we need a strong hand in the oil and money producing nations of the middle east.
If you don't want to be a part of it then don't drive a car, don't buy anything, don't borrow any money. America has lots of room you can go live in a shack in the woods like Ted Kaczynski and live off your own home grown turnips and onions. Or shut up and stop complaining about the war.
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US Prisons v. Islamo-Fascist Justice
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11/19/2007 7:50:19 AM
Stoning of women, lashing a rape victim.
How about being attacked and raped by a prison gang, while other men watch them take turns orally and anally sodomizing you.
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/voices.html
I had no choice but to submit to being Inmate B's prison wife. Out of fear for my life, I submitted to sucking his**** being ****ed in my ass, and performing other duties as a woman, such as making his bed. In all reality, I was his slave, as the Officials of the Arkansas Department of Corrections under the ‘color of law' did absolutely nothing.
— M.P, Arkansas, pro se federal civil rights complaint filed 8/2/96
Most of the prisoners who rape are spending from 5 to life. And are part of a gang. They pick a loner smaller weaker individual. And make that person into a homosexual then sell him to other inmates or gangs. Anywhere from a pack of cigarettes to 2 cartons . . . . No one cares about you or anyone else. If they show kindness or are trying to be helpful, it is only because they want something. And if there offering you protection you can guarantee that there going to seek sexual favors. . . . When an inmate comes in for the first time and doesnt know anyone. The clicks and gangs. Watch him like Wolves readying there attacks. They see if he spends time alone, who he eats with. Its like the Wild Kingdom. Then they start playing with him, checking the new guy out. (They call him fresh meat.)
— J.G., Minnesota, 8/8/96
I've been sentenced for a D.U.I. offense. My 3rd one. When I first came to prison, I had no idea what to expect. Certainly none of this. I'm a tall white male, who unfortunately has a small amount of feminine characteristics. And very shy. These characteristics have got me raped so many times I have no more feelings physically. I have been raped by up to 5 black men and two white men at a time. I've had knifes at my head and throat. I had fought and been beat so hard that I didn't ever think I'd see straight again. One time when I refused to enter a cell, I was brutally attacked by staff and taken to segragation though I had only wanted to prevent the same and worse by not locking up with my cell mate. There is no supervision after lockdown. I was given a conduct report. I explained to the hearing officer what the issue was. He told me that off the record, He suggests I find a man I would/could willingly have sex with to prevent these things from happening. I've requested protective custody only to be denied. It is not available here. He also said there was no where to run to, and it would be best for me to accept things . . . . I probably have AIDS now. I have great difficulty raising food to my mouth from shaking after nightmares or thinking to hard on all this. . . . I've laid down without physical fight to be sodomized. To prevent so much damage in struggles, ripping and tearing. Though in not fighting, it caused my heart and spirit to be raped as well. Something I don't know if I'll ever forgive myself for.
— A.H., Indiana, 8/30/96
If a person is timid or shy or as prison inmates term him "Weak," either mentally or physically, he stands to be a victim of physical and/or sexual assault.
— R.B., Colorado, 9/1/96
I am giving you a breif description of the incient's i have suffered from while I've been in this institution. To begin with on Aug 1, 1996 Approx: 12:30 pm i was housed in E building i went to the officials on duty about a problem i was having with two (2) inmate's but it was disreguard. Than around and about Aug 16, 1996 i was sexual assaulted by the same two (2) inmate's. I was then taking to the medical department in cristeanna hospital for treatment. It's a big Rumor that one inmate has Aid's.
— T.A., Delaware, 9/2/96
Inmates confined for sexual offenses, especially those against juvenile victims, are at the bottom of the pecking order and consequentially most often victimized. Because of their crime, the general population justifies using their weakness by labling rape "just punishment" for their crime. Sexual offenders are the number one target group for prisoner rape. Inmates who come to prison at an early age are the second target group. Being younger, more physically attractive, and less likely to be infected with H.I.V., this group "needs to learn not to come back to prison a second time." Obviously this is a poor justification for rape, but in the prison social structure any excuse will do.
— L.V., Arkansas, 9/3/96
I hate to say this but if you weren't racist when you came to prison more than likely you will be when you leave. In Texas prisons race is the main issue and until people wake up and realize that nothing will change!
— T.B., Texas, 9/3/96
I was raped in prison from Feb 1991 through Nov 1991. From that it left me HIV positive.
— K.S., Arkansas, 9/4/96
I have been sexually assaulted twice since being incarcerated. Both times the staff refused to do anything except to lock me up and make accusations that I'm homosexual and that if I pursue legal action they'd ship me and both times they did.
— J.G., Florida, 9/4/96
What is more prevalent at TCIP (which, by the way, is a medium security, rural institution) is best called "coercion." I suppose you have an idea what these engagements entail. The victim is usually tricked into owing a favor. Here this is usually drugs, with the perpetrator seeming to be, to the victim, a really swell fellow and all. Soon, however, the victim is asked to repay all those joints or licks of dope—right away. Of course he has no drugs or money, and the only alternative is sexual favors. Once a prisoner is "turned-out," it's pretty much a done deal. I guess a good many victims just want to do their time and not risk any trouble, so they submit. . . . The coercion-type abuses continue because of their covert nature. From the way such attacks manifest, it can seem to others, administrators and prisoners, that the victims are just homosexual to begin with. Why else would they allow such a thing to happen, people might ask.
— J.S., Tennessee, 9/5/96
I was young and yes i was weak. My weight was only 120 lbs, the first few months i was raped and beat up many times, i would always Fight back, i wanted my attackers to know i was not a Willing Subject for their evilness. I went to the Guards for help and was told there was nothing that could be done, that i would have to stand up like a Man and Take Care of my own troubles.
— B.L, Florida, 9/5/96
Some prison rapists are so ignorant or delusional, they imagine the rape victim to be the homosexual—because he's doing the taking, not dishing it out (he's gay! he's performing a homosexual act!)
— J.J., California, 9/6/96
The rapes seem to be for two main reasons. 1. They hurt, someone must pay. 2. Being deprived of consensual sex, and self-centered, any hole will do. Power, control, revenge, seem to top the "reasons" for rape. The person assaulted is either seen as weaker, or gang banged if seen as stuck up kind of person. You know, refuses to swear, actually admits he is guilty, is seeking help etc. . . . I have yet to hear of an inmate being charged in court with sexual assault of an inmate. Have you? If just one was found guilty, got more time, things would change.
— D.A., Nebraska, 9/6/96
On January 27, 1993, I was forcefully raped! I was held down while at least 3 black inmates had anal intercourse using my rectum as their sexual pleasure release! From that day on, I was classified as a homosexual and was sold from one inmate to the next. I was sold for a $2.25 bag of coffee! . . . Blacks tend to rape the white inmates and force themselves on weaker inmates! I am one of the weaker inmates!
— J.D., Texas, 9/6/96
Most guys raped are guys for there first time locked up, between the ages 18-30 that looks young, not strong, looks lonely, scared. Guys watch these things.
— M.F., Ohio, 9/6/96
A lot of guys don't say enything about what happens to them, because they got to live there. What if they told, what could happen to them . . . I know you think they should tell what happens to them. But until you put yourself in there shoes you don't know what you do. Some prisons are hard. Fights, killings, ect. everyday. One thing guys don't like is guys who tell on others. What are your chances if you told on someone?
— M.F., Ohio, 9/6/96
I'm in protective custody have been since Feb of 95. My rape is known thru out the system as everyone know the person who did it likes to brag so its unsafe for me to be in population as now I'm a snitch, homo and my safety would be in jeopardy.
— R.G., Delaware, 9/6/96
When a man gets raped nobody gives a damn. Even the officers laugh about it. I bet he's going to be walking with a limp ha ha ha. I've heard them.
— J.G., Minnesota, 9/7/96
Most often the victom who reports a rape is again victomized by officials who write this inmate victom a disciplinary report of propaganda; officials do this in order to avoid law suits resulting from the rapes.
— E.R., Iowa, 9/9/96
When a man finally gets his victim, he protects him from everyone else, buys him anything, the victim washes his clothes, his cell, etc. In return, the entire prison knows that this guy has a "****" or "girl." This gives power to the aggressors ego. In here, the egos multiply a lot more than in society.
Now I've seen this happen many many times. The response from the guards is "the strong survive," "who cares," or they join in on the teasing, tourmenting, etc.
— R.L., New York, 9/9/96
I've seen inmates attacked by two or three men at a time and forced to the floor, while two or three hold him down, the fourth man slaps vaseline on his rectum and rapes him. I knew two men who hung themselves after this.
— R.L., New York, 9/9/96
The more time a man has, the more respect he gets, the more he is feared, the more the guards ignore his misbehavior and let him do what he wants, including rape! The mentality of a lot of guards is that it's only a convicted felon screwing another, so who cares?
— R.L., New York, 9/9/96
The DOC covers their actions under the guise of security and the state court wears blinders.
— J.G., Florida, 9/9/96
I didn't want to tell on the inmates who raped me because I didn't want to be killed. If I had told on the inmates, They would have gotten me in another part of the Prison. Even Protective Custody Facility.
— R.H., Utah, 9/10/96
Why prison sexual assault occurs: Part of it is revenge against what the non-white prisoners call, "The White Man," meaning authority and the justice system. A common comment is, "ya'll may run it out there, but this is our world!" More of it I think is the assaulters own insecurities and them trying to gain some respect in their peer group by showing that they "are a man." This subculture is concerned with appearances, and the more imposing an appearance, the more respect you command. Some of the guys I rode with didnt want any sex or $. They just wanted the status of having a "Kid." Naturally, I liked them best.
— S.H., Texas, 9/10/96
I was "rented out" for sexual favors, and a lot of the guys who rented me are not rapists, or assaulted as children, or any other stereotypical model. They just wanted some sexual satisfaction, even though they knew I was not deriving pleasure from it, and was there only because I was forced to. . . . I was with the Valluco (Valley) crowd, so I was only passed around to them for free. D. Town Hispanics had to pay. They were charged $3 for a blow-job, $5 for anal sex.
— S.H., Texas, 9/10/96
I had an officer tell me that "faggots like to suck**** so why was I complaining." You and I realize that non-consensual sex is rape, regardless—a leap in thinking not possible for prison officials.
— S.H., Texas, 9/10/96
Defendant J.M, a security officer with the rank of sargeant, came to investigate the series of latest allegations. Defendant J.M. refused to interview the inmate witnesses and told plaintiff that he was lying about being sexually abused. After plaintiff vehemently protested that he was being truthful, defendant J.M. made comments that plaintiff "must be gay" for "letting them make you suck****"
— S.H., Texas, 9/10/96 (legal papers)
[When I was sent to prison,] I was just barely 18 years of age, about 90 pounds. I did nine years from March 1983 to November 1991. In that 9 years I was raped several times. I never told on anyone for it, but did ask the officer for protective custody. But I was just sent to another part of the prison. Than raped again. Sent to another part of the prison. Etc. This went on for 9 years. I didn't want to tell on the inmates who raped me because I didn't want to be killed. . . . I came back to prison in 1993. In 1994 I was raped again. I attempted suicide. . . . The doctors here in the prison say "quote" major depression multiple neurotic symptoms, marked by excessive fear, unrelenting worry and debilitating anxiety. Antisocial suicidal ideation, self-degradation, paranoia and hopelessness are characteristic, "unquote."
— R.H., Utah, 9/10/96
[With coercive sex], one inmate will sidle up to another inmate and try to play on the inmate's emotions, as well as befriend him; this inmate usually being a "first-timer" who is quiet and reserved and without any established friends yet . . . . Eventually the weaker inmate is compelled to perform masturbation on the domineering inmate, or — at first — to pose nude before the domineering inmate while he masturbates. . . . Once the weaker inmate is hooked, the domineering inmate will share the details of his conquest with his buddies and then the weaker inmate finds himself dealing with more and more inmates vying for his services. By this time, the weaker inmate has had his self-esteem so lowered that he no longer cares and becomes a sexual substitute for whomever needs him.
— P.S., Texas, 9/10/96
I found out how people earn respect in here, you have to beat someone or shank them.
— J.G., Minnesota, 9/12/96
It's either rape or be raped and the racial tension doesn't help any.
— W.M., Texas, 9/13/96
Officers can't do anything unless an inmate say's something. If an inmate does, not only is that a sure sign of weakness, but a weak snitch to boot. Not worthy of living.
— W.M., Texas, 9/13/96
[You have to fight to be safe.] To give you an idea what I mean . . . I now have scar's where I've been gutted, under the right side of my chest below my heart, where my neck was cut open and under my left arm. That's not the many minor cuts and wound's can't include in this letter because of lack of times & space. People start to treat you right once you become deadly.
— W.M., Texas, 9/13/96
It's fixed where if you're raped, the only way you [can escape being a punk is if] you rape someone else. Yes I know that's fully screwed, but that's how your head is twisted. After it's over you may be disgusted with yourself, but you realize you're not powerless and that you can deliver as well as receive pain. Then it's up to you to decide whether you enjoy it or not. Most do, I don't. It's sick and depraved. It's also depressing when one of these boy's (another name for turn out), come up to you for protection because they know you won't hurt them as much because you've been through it & they don't have the nuts to break out themselves even when you tell them how.
— W.M., Texas, 9/13/96
My celly tried to rape me with a knife for a weapon, we fought and I got the knife and stabbed him to fight him off, I was charged with attempted murder and felonious assault and taken to trial, found guilty and received 12 to 15 years. The system feels that justice was done.
— L.L., Ohio, 9/14/96
What is needed in prison is one man cells, one man showers and for the officials to prosecute attackers instead of just locking them up in the hole.
— L.L., Ohio, 9/14/96
While serving my sentence at a former institution, I was severely beaten and gang raped, both orally and anally, by six black inmates . . . . It started by inmate [A] coming by my cell and waking me up at approximately 4:00 a.m. He said he wanted to come in and watch television with me. I said, "No, I'm trying to sleep." He said he's going to the booth and get my door open. I saw him go to the booth and told the booth officer to open my cell door . . . My cell door was not authorized to be opened.
By this time, I had turned on my overhead light and heard inmate [A] say to [the officer], "Open #222, so I can get his laundry." I didn't think nothing of it because we've had no prior problems before. I did think it was odd though. So he came in and sat on my bed . . . . About 5 to 10 minutes after that, inmate [B], [C], and [D] came into my cell. Then inmate [D] said, "We want some ass." I said, "I don't think so, I don't play that shit." When he said this, I said to myself, "Oh no! I'm in trouble!" I looked toward the door for an escape route finding it blocked, I went into myself to prepare for the worst.
Inmate [D] then said, "Either give it to Jesus or give it up." . . . .
It was at this time that the floor officer came by on the bottom tier (I was on the top tier), doing or supposedly doing, his rounds. He noticed the inmates in my cell and asked if everything was all right. Too terrified to answer, I just nodded. [The officer] never came to the top tier during his round. I was then directed back to my bed. Inmate [B] then stood in front of me and pulled out his penis and forced it into my mouth. Inmate [C] then turn his turn. Pulling me to my feet, he then took my boxers off, bent me over and forced his penis inside. Inmate [D] laid on the bed, took my head and forced himself inside my mouth [All four of them, plus one more] took turns anally and orally raping me at the same time. All of them repeatedly did this.
Somewhere in the middle of this, inmate [F] entered . . . . [D]uring the rape, I believe it was him that said "suck this****you white ****.". . . .
[One said:] "If you snitch on us, we'll kill you!!" The other said, "And if you do and you get transferred, you'll still die." At that time, I really believed them, and I still think this today.
—R.D, Virginia, 9/16/96
I remember after he left, the sun was rising, I was standing there in total shock. My body and my mind was numb. I didn't know what to do, so I just sat down on the commode and let what they ejaculated in me come out. After everything was out, I cleaned myself again. As I got up, I noticed the water in the commode was red. I washed myself again, put on all my clothes, got under the covers. The fear went on a rampage in my mind, shutting down my whole system. For the rest of the day I was like this. I do remember wanting to kill them or either myself . . . . I cannot fully state to you now the actual feelings of guilt or shame I felt at the time. In retrospect, I feel now that there was more I could have done and my mindset now is one of tremendous speculation. But, it all comes down to feelings of being inadequate in the defense of myself.
—R.D, Virginia, 9/16/96
I am a first-time non-violent offender, and committed a white-collar offense . . . . In September, 1994, during the week of Labor Day, I was accosted and raped in the shower . . . . While the entire incident did not last more than a few minutes, it seemed like an eternity. I was certain that I had indeed been sentenced to Hell. I was left badly bruised and crying, with a pretty hopeless outlook on the whole situation. There was no guard to be found, and so I was left to fend for myself.
—R.S., West Virginia, 9/16/96
Prison rapes occur for a number of reasons. One such reason is the insecure, weak inmate preying on another weaker inmate, to make an impression of toughness or ruthlessness that he hopes will discourage other inmates from doing the same thing to him . . . . The main reason why sexual assaults occur is because prison officials and staff promote them. It's their method of sacrificing the weak inmates to achieve and maintain control of the stronger aggressive or violent inmates.
— W.F., Missouri, 9/21/96
[I] was sent to the orientation block to be cellmate with another prisoner already occupying a double cell. I did not know at the time that I was to share a double cell with him, that he was a known rapist in the prison . . . . I must point out that only a month and a half prior, he was accused of raping another man. On my fourth day of sharing the cell, I was ambushed and viciously raped by him. After being raped, I remained in shock and paralized in thought for two days until I was able to muster the courage to report it, this, the most dreadful and horrifying experience of my life.
—B.J., Connecticut, 9/23/96
I have long Blond hair and I weigh about 144 lbs. I am a free-world homosexual that looks and acts like a female . . . . In 1992 I came to this Unit and was put into population. There was so many gangs and violence that I had know choice but to hook up with someone that could make them give me a little respect. Well after a few days I guess he figured it was more problems than it was worth and decided to give in, "to them." A Black guy paid an officer two cartons of "Kools" to write me up so I could be moved to his block with him. Well they did just that. Money will buy anything here and I mean anything . . . . All open Homosexuals are preyed upon and if they don't choose up they get chosen.
— M.P., Arkansas, 9/24/96
When a new inmate enters an open barracks prison it triggers a sort of competition among the convicts as to who will seduce and subjugate that new arrival. Subjugation is mental, physical, financial, and sexual. Every new arrival is a potential victim. Unless the new arrival is strong, ugly, and efficient at violence, they are subject to get seduced, coerced, or raped . . . Psychosocially, emotionally, and physically the most dangerous and traumatic place I can conceive of is the open barracks prison when first viewed by a new inmate.
— L.V., Arkansas, 9/25/96
I was too embarrassed to tell the [corrections officers] what had happened [that I had been raped] . . . . The government acts as if a "man" is supposed to come right out and boldly say "I've been raped." You know that if it is degrading for a woman, how much more for a man.
— R.B., Kansas, 9/28/96
The guys who perform/promote these assaults are the "tough-guy" sorts. . . . [T]hese guys commit these attacks for power & control, not for the sex — although they are highly interested in sex. For many (most?) of these guys, it's a "badge of honor" for them, when they can abuse a "child molester" (especially sexually) and run them into p.c. (protective custody). . . . Self-esteem is a valuable commodity, in this environment, since a pronounced lack of it is a common factor among criminals. . . . By "stealing power" from others, these individuals are able to feel superior — which boosts their self-esteem.
— M.S., Nevada, 9/28/96
Prison officials seem to prefer the "slap on the wrist" in-house disciplinary approach over referring criminal charges against the perpetrators [of rape]. When pressed, they generally claim that this practice is to "protect the victim" (from an ugly court scene), but I believe it's to protect the prison from having to admit the problem exists.
— M.S., Nevada, 9/28/96
When I was sentenced I didn't hear the part of sentencing that stated, "you are hereby sentenced to six years of hard labor to the Texas Dept. of Criminal Justice. While there, you will be beaten daily, savagely raped, and tortured, mentally, to the point of contemplating suicide."
— L.O., Texas, 9/29/96
Young men and male of small frame structure is being beaten and raped as well as gay inmates by inmates of bigger size and gang members.
— R.G., California, 10/1/96
My abuse started in the county jail where I was raped by four inmates . . . . When I was sent to prison I informed them that I have been raped by gang member and was on medication. . . . Still I was being asked for sex and tolded that I would have to given over myself one way or another; at this point (looking back on the matter) I can see that I was going through a brake down mentally. Anyway that night I've made of my mind that I was taking my life for it seem as if that was the only way out of that Hell. So the sleeping medication that they was giving me, I save for 8 days which came to 800 MG and I took them. I was taken to the medical center where I stayed for 18 days. Every so often 5 or 6 Doctors would come into that room and look at me talking to their self. They would ask me how I feel and say no more. This one Doctor tolded me that they was going to put me back on the same yard. I told him if they do, I would take my life. He than said that he don't give a dam. I just hung my head low and cryed.
— R.G, California, 10/1/96
There is no safety for gays, young men, first timers and men of small built. The most rapes that happen are with the prison gangs. Young men and first timer's believe that they must join prison gangs for fear of safty of their lives. . . . It seem that young men and gays and first timmers are used as sacrificial lamb. The reason is to use these men as a way to keep the gangs and killers from turning on the system which created prison the Hell that it is. These young men, these gays, these first timers are turning into everything their abusers are.
— R.G., California, 10/1/96
On 10-12-93 I was assined to [a prison unit] in Abilene Texas and sense I have been on the unit I have been bete up on and sexually assaulted. It all started a week after I got to the unit. I was confronted by inmate [F] and at that time inmate [J] come up and sed that I am going to do him a faver or I will not walk out of my cell block and that was on 10-19-93. And by the time 1994 came around I had been bete up sevrule times and had been raped 2 times by the two inmates. One 5-26-94 I got assallted by a unnown inmate and have been sexually abuesd by a number of unnown inmates seens I have been on this unit. I have told the unit werdon and a number of the officers on the unit and have not got the proper proteshone that I need and the unit classification have denide me transfer to a safe keeping unit a number of times.
—D.M., Texas, 10/1/96
I was dehumanzied by the lack of empathy prison officials have towards victims of sexual assault, potential victims, inmates safety in general. Inmates are looked at and treated as subhuman across the board. If an incident can be covered it will be. If it can be ignored it will be.
— K.J., Georgia, 10/2/96
Upon my arrival to prison, my being small, white, some what feminine and niave to the Big City and prison ways, made me appear as an easy mark as a victim. A victim for extortion, robbery and/or sexual assault. I survived the attacks only because I fought several times. The fighting led the preditors to believe that I wasn't an easy mark and there was easier prey to attack.
I wish my tale ended there but it doesn't. After witnessing bigger stronger guys who had also fought back, be brutally attacked by more than one inmate and sexually assaulted, I was over-come with fear. The constant fear of being jumped by three or four guys and brutally beaten until I willingly let them sexually assault me, or was forced to endure a sexual assault, was too much for me. Wondering if I was next dominated my waking hours. I began to think of ways to escape the preditors. I chose to manipulate the psychiatric department into transferring me to a prison psychiatric hospital.
I thought that I had escaped the threat of rape, but I was wrong. Another patient there in the same dorm as me said he liked me and wanted to have sex with me. It was everywhere and escape seemed utterly hopeless. I was tired of living in fear and gave in to his demands. I let him use me and my body as if I were a real woman for his personal sexual gratification. Both oral and anal sex repeatedly for hours.
I was returned to the same prison I had fled from. Within 30 days I escaped from prison, the fear of being humiliated and treated as a sexual slave was too much and greater than the fear of being shot or prosecuted. . . . . My lawyer said that I had the best duress defense he'd ever seen.
After beating the DOC's attempt to prosecute me for escape, they enacted their vengeance. Having just turned 19 years old, they transfered me to Jackson prison. "The World's Largest Walled Prison" known for its stabbings and sexual attacks on young white males. The memory I have of my arrival is yells, mating calls and whistling at me as I walked to my cell at 2:30 am.
When in one 24 hr. period I received over a hundred notes asking who was my man, or threatening me, and more verbal threats, I attempted suicide by cutting my wrist; the only escape I could envision. When that failed the next man to approach me found me hopeless and depressed and I simply no longer cared about what happened to me. He claimed me as his property and I didnt dispute it. I became obedient, telling myself at least I was surviving. . . . He publicly humiliated and degraded me, making sure all the inmates and gaurds knew that I was a queen and his property. Within a week he was pimping me out to other inmates at $3.00 a man. This state of existence continued for two months until he sold me for $25.00 to another black male who purchased me to be his wife. It was another thirty days before an attorney was able to force the DOC to transfer me to another prison.
Word quickly spread of my activities at Jackson. That was the setting for the rest of my five yr. sentence. Though I was lucky, the rest was spent with only two men, and not hundreds of men.
— E.S., Mississippi, 10/4/96
Often the victim will be tied up on a bed, face down and sold until the debt is finished or until the novelty is gone.
— C.M., Illinois, 10/8/96
I really don't think that male on male rape is primarily a sexual thing. It is probably more of a power thing by which one person can maintain absolute control over another, or use the other to settle some financial responsibility.
— C.M., Illinois, 10/8/96
As I told you in my last letter I was sexually assulted when I was let out of adminstrative segregation July 17/96 and it got around pretty quick that I was a "turnout" they all knew. But the dude I was riding with he protected me as long as I did sexual favors for him. But he left. So no one was there to stop this inmate from falling in my house.
When he gets there he first demands money I have none so he takes my radio and headphones. He sends them to his house see he's out of place he is not supposed to be in my cell but I cant tell for fear of the other inmates. So I just stay on my bunk. Oh and we are on lock down so we only shower 3 times a week. He came in my cell Friday so he wont have a chance to go back to his cell until Monday so I just try and stay away from him.
On Saturday about 10 or 11 AM he tells me that he wants a blow job or he wants to have sex with me. Now I dont know why but I refused I said please dont so he hits me 3 times in my face and upper body I come down off the top bunk to try and defend my self but before I have a chance he pulls out a knife on me! When I reach for his wrist to try and get the knife I get cut but not to bad. But I do manage to get the knife away from him. I dont remember cutting him as many times as he was cut. But I took his own knife and I defended my self. He was cut a few times got a bunch of stitches: I then layed the weapon on the ground he picked it up and threw it out of the cell. I then started yelling for the Guards.
Now even though I was in my cell and he wasn't supposed to be there he was out of place even though I was cut and he admitted possion of the weapon and even though he admitted that he came in my cell to do me harm I was still given a major case "which ****s off chance of parole for me for a long time." I was still put in solitary for segregation for 15 days. Now on 10/8/96 I was put in administrative segregation for assult with a weapon I dont even know when I'll get out plus they might file a free world charge on me so that I get more time. I tryed to tell them it was self defence and that I need protective custody but they wouldnt listen. I dont know what I'll do if Im charged cause I'll have to plea bargin I'd be to scared to take it to trial for fear of losing. Those people dont care about what happens in here and if I lose I'd get more time than if I plea bargined and alls I can do is hope for the best.
— T.B., Texas, 10/8/96
I didn't know how the prison system work, so this inmate come up to the A & O unit and gives me three packs of cigarettes, I didn't know where they came from, or why they was given to me, I took the cigarettes, two weeks later I was placed in population, and here come this big old guy name [M], telling me that I belong to him because he had bought me, and had the same guy there who had brought me the cigarettes to verify it.
—C.D., Indiana, 10/8/96
I know you don't want to hear this but it is prison officials, jail officials that causes men to be ****ed in prison. . . . [P]rison officials approve of men getting ****ed in prison and to attack it at the prisoners level, you are fighting a losing battle, start with prison officials, people in authority, they are the one that causes people to get ****ed against their will.
— C.D., Indiana, 10/8/96
I have seen or heard of rapes on a weekly basis at the least. Mostly it is a daily occurrence. Rapes are a very common occurrence due to the fact of coercion being "played" on ignorant first timers. Once someone is violated sexually and there is no consequences on the perpetrators, that person who was violated then becomes a mark or marked. That means he's fair game.
— M.B., Indiana, 10/10/96
As I go back to the time I was attacked, I was only about 145 lbs, white, blue eyed and smoothed skin. I was about 5' 10" and very disliking of crowds. It was about 1 pm or 1:30 pm before showers. 2 black males (gang related) ran into my cell, one very large and the other more my size. I was hit, and put face down on the mattress. A knee in my back and a pillow case under my chin (like a horse bridle), being weaker made me vulnerable to be taken advantage of (note: this paragraph is not detailed action for action but only a brief take). Being scared I was too much in a trance to go to the unranked officers because many at the time were promoters of the non-survival of the weak. . . . I feel that maybe some women might look at me as less than a man. My pride feels beaten to a pulp.
— E.R., Texas, 10/10/96.
Someone with a slower mental process or lower I.Q. usually gets tricked into sexual devastation in some decivious way and the officers look the other way or leave, as Texas stays understaffed for that reason so an officer can just walk off and never see a thing.
— R.B., Texas, 10/13/96
At least 90% of assaults are not even reported to staff. Occasionally the victim is a person who could fight off one inmate but there is a bet between groups or gangs to make him a "****," and the bettor will get a few of his home boys and go assault him.
— R.B., Texas, 10/13/96
Smaller, weaker, meeker individuals are usually targets. Meeker individuals tend to "act Gay" is how it's described here and in turn invites assault through the agressors mind. A new inmate needs to come into the system ready to fight and with a strong mind. He will be approached by a bigger guy who will let him know he's going to "fight, **** or pay protection." . . . . He will offer the new comer wire (for a radio antena) coffee or something so the new comer will come back and the subject will come up every time the new comer comes around and before long the new comer wants to know what the deal is. They go to a job or fall off in a cell agree to be easy, keep it between them, just do each other, ect. When the dude get's the new comer it's over and the dude will tell the new comer he'll take care of him or he'll tell everybody he's just a little **** . . . . Should the new comer seek assistance of staff, staff just laughs at him, the physic department just says what do you want me to do. It's a no win situation and frustration often leads them to keep up the practice.
— R.B., Texas, 10/13/96
Another game is to get an inmate indebted to an inmate give them a week to have your money when they don't it automatically doubles. Then the next week you take it out in trade. Even if the new comer has someone out there that will send the money, by the time they write and the money is sent and posted it's too late anyway. This way some will fight some will feel obligated. [The games] are endless but ever so real.
— R.B., Texas, 10/13/96
I have been on 3 units on one of the units I have been on, you heard of rapes just about daily on the other 2 though maybe you heard of rape once a month maybe. The units with the younger offenders seem to carry by far the higher rates of sexual assaults.
— R.B., Texas, 10/13/96
Texas does not pay inmates. Some inmates sell there bodies just for basics like toothpaste, soap, shampoo, tooth brush, deoderant, things others take for granted.
— R.B., Texas, 10/13/96
On the younger units I would say you have a rape at least weekly. From the people I have known in my 10 years I would say about 50% have been forced to hook up with someone not necessarily for protection but due to survival having necessities or attention.
— R.B., Texas, 10/13/96
I would say the bigger prisons allow more rape because of understaffing and the prisons with the younger offenders, not necessarily maximum security.
— R.B., Texas, 10/13/96
Even after the gang rape I endured, I was still poorly classified and two violent inmates with a record of violence threatened to sexually assault me and take my store goods. I tried to fight back, which resulted in my jaw being broke in 3 places.
— K.J., Georgia, 10/13/96
The man who is responsible for my rape has a history of this type of behaviour. He usually preys on young white kids. His method of approach is lending smokes and drugs to get them in debt and then asks to be repaid. When the person can't pay he offers to let them have sex, and when they say no, he rapes them. I don't know why I was a victim I owed him nothing neither did I associate with him. Did I turn him on? I porbably did, since I was 23 years old at that . . . as they say in prison--a sweet pretty young thing. My rape is known throughout the prison system as everyone knows the person who did it and likes to brag about it, so its unsafe for me to be in population as now I am a snitch, a homo and my safety is in jeapordy.
— R.G., Delaware, 10/17/96
Another type of coerced sex is for the dominant party to first let the intended victim know that he wants to have sex with him, then begin to wear the victim down by constantly leering at him in ways that let the victim know what's on his mind. Psychologically the victim eventually begins to believe he is a homosexual and no longer resists. It's similar to how a sexual abuse victim, afterward, begins to believe there is something wrong with them that caused the abuse to happen, which causes them to accept part of the responsibility for their abuse.
— P.S., Texas, 10/17/96
Being raped in prison is degrading and humiliating. It tags you as belonging to the inmate who raped you. One must never talk openly about being raped for fear of being severely beaten or killed.
— M.G., Oklahoma, 10/19/96
When a person come to prison, if they see fear in their face, or anywhere, they will be easy prey.
— M.O., Illinois, 10/20/96
While I was being uncuffed at the rec door by Officer W. he made the comment that faggots are sickening and disgusting. . . . Inmates see this type of behavior as approval to beat, rape and extort gay men in prison because of the anomosity and hateful attitudes displayed by the state.
— A.H., Indiana, 10/27/96 (offender grievance, denied 10/30/96, with response that "Officer W. states that he at no time mentioned the word fagget")
On 10-21-96 Officer G. came to get me from rec. . . . He had the leash wrapped around my waist, then yanked on it spinning me around. Telling me "move fag." I asked him what the hell was his problem. He shoved me and then yanked on the leash several times in the course of escorting me to my cell. Then pulled out the mace as though he were to spray me. He continued calling me a faggot****sucker throughout this process. Officer M. witnessed this. . . . I have suffered from a lot of abuse in this prison including my rape to this kind of abuse from staff. I am sick of this treatment.
— A.H., Indiana, 10/21/96 (grievance filed, denied with response: "WRONG FORM")
Older men who have been in here for a long time like Young men because they are more healthy, better looking, and more inexperienced. The older men like the "power" they have over their victims. A Younger man is scared, nervous, shy, etc. He doesn't know what to do, so he freezes, get's very quiet, and allows himself to be victimized.
— R.L., New York, 10/21/96
The guards just turn their backs. Their mentality is the tougher, colder, and more cruel and inhuman a place is, the less chance a person will return. This is not true. The more negative experiences a person goes through, the more he turns into a violent, cruel, mean, heartless individual, I know this to be a fact.
— R.L., New York, 10/21/96
Transexuals and homosexuals are for the most part viewed as weak. One step up from rapist on the social ladder. Usually considered the property of another inmate.
In prison, male on male sexual relations are viewed differently then those of free-society. The aggressive person (male role) isn't considered a homosexual, or bisexual. He's thought of as heterosexual. Only the passive (female role) is considered homosexual or bisexual.
— E.S., Mississippi, 10/21/96
To begin let me tell you a little about myself. I am 32 yrs of age, I'm an American of African decent. I'm currently serving a 5 ½ yr sentence for trafficking in stolen property . . . . I feel I should also add because it has bearing on some of the observations I'll share with you, I'm gay and have been since I was aware of my sexuality . . . .
Let me say I believe there are different levels or kinds of rape in prison. First, there is what I will refer to as "Bodily Force Rape" for lack of a better term. This is the kind of assault where one or more individuals attack another individual and by beating and subduing him force sex either anal or oral on him.
Second there is what I'll call Rape By Threat. An example of this would be, when an individual tells a weaker individual that in order to avoid being assulted by the individual who's speaking he must submit to his demand for sex.
Third and by far the most common is what I'll call using a persons fears of his situation to convince him to submit to sex.
I will give you my observations on all these types of assult shortly; but first I feel I should tell you the people most at risk. And they are white males usualy slight of build and physicaly atractive, between 17-25 yrs of age. Please note although other ethnic groups such as young blacks and Hispanics have sufferd these indignities it happens to them far far less often than to young whites . . . . .
The last form of "rape," using a persons fear against him. Among inmates there is a debate wheather this is in fact rape at all. In my opinion it is in fact rape. Let me give you an example of what happens and you decide.
Example: A new inmate arrives. He has no funds for the things he needs such as soap, junk food, and drugs (there are a great deal of drugs in prisons). Someone befriends him and tells him if he needs anything come to him. The new arrival is some times aware, but most times not, that what he is receiving has a 100% interest rate that is compounded weekly. When the N.A. is in deep enough the "friend" will tell him he can cover some of his debt by submitting to sex. This has been the "friend's" objective from the begining. To manuver the N.A. into a corner where he's vulnerable. Is this rape? I think it is.
— B.H., Florida, 10/22/96
I believe only a minute amount of these incidences get reported; the individules this happens to live in fear. In fear of the perpetrators, but even more signifagant, thay fear other people knowing thay've been victomized in this mannor. They suffer in silence, think thay are less than men and fearing the world and thair familys will know of thair shame.
— B.H., Florida, 10/22/96
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No Jobs, Hence, No Illegal Aliens
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11/19/2007 7:37:15 AM
So the cause of the problem isn't the illegals- its the laws- if all people, be you illegal or not, had the opportunity to earn minimum wage(or more), then there wouldn't be people stealing jobs and working for less- since we would all earn the same- its the law denying them a fair wage that causes them to work for less, to be competitive.
Equality is the answer to all of this- require business's pay all their employees at least a bare minimum wage, and there wouldn't be any foreigners working for less.
Why do you want to make it so complicated? If you want illegals to have the same rights and opportunities as Americans, you do that by making them citizens.
There's no such thing as an illegal immigrant anyway. You're either a citizen, a legal immigrant, or an illegal alien.
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Top Israeli official says barrier meant to ensure Jewish majority in Jerusalem
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11/19/2007 5:46:32 AM
Israel is an American colony. We need a strong military presence in this region to secure our interests. That is for the Arabian peninsula to supply the western world with a stable supply of oil, and re-invest the inflated oil revenues in American banks and bonds. Saudi Arabia doesn't just produce 10-20% of the world's petroleum. They buy hundreds of billions of dollars in US bonds annually with their oil dollars. Enough to finance the military-industrial complex and allow America to run deficits year after year. While Muslim children live in fear and poverty. That's the grip we have on the region. We let Israel drop bombs on Lebanon for a few weeks and all the other Arabs fall right back into line. It's imperialism, and religious zealots have always been willing to carry the cross and do the dirty work of clearing the land. The Jews are settlers. And the Palestinians are the Indians. Pushed off their land and herded onto reservations. The Jews have better weapons, and any act of resistance by the Palestinians is met with swift retaliation by the Israeli Defence Forces. Palestinian children still throw stones at the bulldozers, or blow themselves up at the checkpoints. But they are also removing themselves from the gene pool. Another 100 years the Palestinians will be like our Indians. Living poverty-stricken lives of alcoholism and malnutrition on some reservation somewhere.
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Saudi justice- whats' your opinion?
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11/18/2007 8:07:17 PM
Saudi Arabia has a lot of oil. At $10/barrel, they can provide free universal health care and university education to every Saudi citizen. At $100/barrel, they can bankroll the entire US national debt with their oil revenues. The Arab peninsula holds more US debt than China and Japan combined. Who are we to criticize their justice system. They don't question our economic policies. One hand washes the other.
If you don't want little girls to get whipped for being raped, then say no to banks that do business with Saudi Arabia. Tear up your credit cards. Say no to the rampant consumerism and materialism that forces us to get in bed with these regimes. We've lost touch with reality. We object to the slightest mention of God in our schools. But we leave our kids parked in front of a TV that spends three months of every year telling them Santa is going to buy them presents if they are good. and then we're forced to go out and buy the presents from these well heeled corporate extortionists. Just turn the damn thing off and say no. Enough.
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No Jobs, Hence, No Illegal Aliens
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11/18/2007 7:29:00 PM
"illegal immigration" exists because government is not enforcing the law. They're not enforcing the law because illegals drive down the cost of wages and that's good for business. And until people are prepared to see that and do something about it, illegal immigration will continue to be a problem.
I'm reminded of something I learned in my American History class. It was the "free soil movement". These were men who opposed slavery. Not because it was morally unconscionable to enslave another human being, but they saw it as a conflict with their interest. If another planter could own slaves and work them to death working his fields and become rich, what future did farming hold for honest men who worked their own land? How would they feed their children if the farmer down the street could let his slaves go malnourished.
but that was back in the good old days, when 90% of the nation lived on farms, and as such they were property owners and to a certain extent, businessmen who had to look out for their own interests. Not like today where people have everything spoon fed to them. From the 7 second sound bite to a 30 second commercial, the rational man who thinks for himself is becoming a rare creature.
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Your thoughts On The Way In Afgan/Iraq
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11/9/2007 6:40:04 PM
This war was a no-brainer. If Canada, England, and the USA did not occupy Afghanistan and the Middle East, then some other power would. The world economy runs on oil. And our trade is financed by the ginormous oil revenues of the OPEC nations. All that wealth and power is just too much temptation for powerful interests not to step in and start throwing their weight around.
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Brazil announces new oil reserves
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11/9/2007 5:56:57 PM
There's lots of oil out there. We're using more oil than ever before, and there's not a shortage in sight.
What we're short on is cash. Capital to fund our credit cards, our national debt, and our 500,000 mortgages. That's why we have high gas prices. So Arab Kingdoms can invest hundreds of billions of dollars in US debt every year.
Think of high gas prices like a tax. A tax to fund the war machine, to fund tax cuts for the rich. A tax on every motorist and consumer in the western world, to pay for the security umbrella provided by American capitalism and military power.
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Students Strap On Empty Holsters to Protest Gun Restrictions on Campus
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10/24/2007 3:53:58 PM
I learned how to box in college. Why not teach firearms safety?
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NEED A NEW CAR GIRLS HATE SMALL CARS
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10/24/2007 3:48:35 PM
Find a girl that has a nice car. She won't care what you drive she'll just say "we're taking my car I'm not getting in that piece of shit".
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Military Recruiters Target Felons in Alexandria City Virginia Jails
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10/24/2007 3:44:39 PM
The English Navy conquered the world with prisoners and low-life scum. They didn't meet their match until they met the Continental Army. Mainly prisoners and low-life scum that had been sent to live in the colonies.
<div class="quote">i hope when he come back he braks into your house & treat you same way he was treating iraqies that who's boss.
Why should they come back. It would make a fine career for the typical sociopath you find in prison.
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Should I bother holding on!?
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10/24/2007 3:35:47 PM
You're the friend. Girls do this. They keep guys around as back up boyfriends. A guy to take them shopping, fix their car... all the shit mister tall dark and handsome can't be bothered to do.
If you want to make your move, forget about dating or playing cool or any of that other shit. She already likes you enough to be your friend. Wait until she's ready (sad, drunk or horny) and let her know you want to be more than friends. Not in that whiney way where you're sitting in her bedroom three feet away from her telling her you like her. Get close as she'll let you and kiss her and don't stop till the two of you are doing the wild monkey dance.
If she's not into it, then turn around and leave and forget about her. Don't hang around and be her doormat thinking she's gonna pick you up, dust you off and take doormat to bed with her. Cuz chances are she'll find some other guy to **** and you'll still be the friend.
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State of georgia weeks away from a serious crisis
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10/24/2007 10:15:16 AM
America is not going to run out of water. We might have to invest a trillion dollars in infrastructure to pump all that melting ice in the Arctic down to the American Southwest. But we can do that. We'll bring in a bunch of Mexicans and build a 3000 mile viaduct from Canada to California. Haliburton will bill the government an arm and a leg. And your water bill will go up accordingly. Life goes on.
It's the countries that cannot do this that will die. There's over a billion people who live on a dollar a day. When we turn their food into bio-diesel on an industrial scale, those people are gone. They will starve to death.
If they still have the strength, they can become refugees and join the billions of others flooded out of their homes by Tsunamis. War and AIDS will finish them all off. It will be like all the AIDS, war and famine in Africa. But bigger.
And when it's all over water and oil won't be a problem. There will be more than enough to go around.
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State of georgia weeks away from a serious crisis
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10/23/2007 7:22:03 PM
It'll be all right. North America has plenty of water. There are plans to haul it down from Canada.
This whole climate change thing will solve itself. The oceans will rise a few feet, lots of people will be made homeless, crops will fail, what's left of the food supply will be turned into bio-diesel, and the long and short of it is most of the people on earth will die. And when it's over, things will be back to normal.
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what do i do when i see a girl checking me out??
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10/23/2007 6:27:09 PM
It's too bad you chickened out. I bet right now she has some guy's****in her mouth and he's never gonna call her and next time she sees you she's gonna be bitter and old
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Does great oral sex giving depend on how much you like/love that person?
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10/23/2007 6:15:27 PM
Aza it is obvious you are the one who doesn't understand. Sex is not something you do to express love. It is something you do for yourself. If you are doing it for the man, it is because you want something else from him like financial and physical security. You girls need to realize the world doesn't work that way anymore. Your foremothers fought for equality and now you got it. I can have sex and give a girl the best head she ever got and I don't owe anybody anything.
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Military Recruiters Target Felons in Alexandria City Virginia Jails
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10/23/2007 6:04:02 PM
They'll do just fine occupying Iraq. Long as the Iraqis know who's boss and we get our oil.
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Good-Bye to Canada
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10/23/2007 5:04:08 PM
It's a good idea. Canada may have a lot of resources, but without industry to consume those resources and turn them into finished goods they're worthless. We all benefit from Free Trade. We have access to the US market, and they have access to our trade goods.
And French people piss me off. They always think they know everything. And most of them are racists. Fuck them. Make them speak English and watch Fox.
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Military Recruiters Target Felons in Alexandria City Virginia Jails
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10/23/2007 4:59:36 PM
I think it's a great idea. We need oil. And if some scumbag criminal is blown up by an IED in Iraq who cares!
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what do i do when i see a girl checking me out??
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10/23/2007 9:45:37 AM
Do what your gut tells you to do. Chicks like it when men do the scary stuff like going up on ladders and making the first move. They'll drop plenty of hints but if you don't strike while the iron is hot, they get all insecure and nothing you can do or say will get her back.
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Does great oral sex giving depend on how much you like/love that person?
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10/23/2007 9:31:27 AM
I always give 110%. I don't have to love the person. But I do need her to be into it.
The problem I find with you chicks is you're still living in the cave man era, trying to use the **** to hook up with a meal ticket. Some tall, dark and handsome dude to put you on a pedestal and buy you all the crap you see on TV. And it ain't gonna work cuz real life isn't like it is on TV. There's plenty of younger girls coming up ready to give it up for kicks and want to pay their own way, not use a guy for a meal ticket.
If you think wrapping your lips around it is gonna make him love you then go ahead. If it works, more power to you both cuz you deserve each other. I wouldn't want someone like that to love me. Just love the feelings it gives you and let me know I'm the man when it comes to eating **** cuz I know I'm the best.
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Cigarette prices - F'ing Nuts
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10/23/2007 8:57:27 AM
In Canada (I'm not sure where you're from Newintown), but here, we have social medicine.
As a non smoker, I don't think that my healthcare tax dollar should be going towards paying for the health problems of a smoker (stroke, heart attacks, certain types of cancer, etc). I'm glad there are large sin taxes on alcohol and cigarettes.
With the sin tax, then that helps to compensate for the increased healthcare costs...btw - a pack of cigarettes here costs over $7.50. And rightfully so.
Just my 2 cents.
Dear working girl. Most of our health care budget goes to looking after the elderly. All these old people who go to the hospital every time they slip on the ice or catch a cold. That costs real money, to the point we are considering raising the age of retirement because there are simply not enough working people to look after retirees who are living longer and longer.
I'm not saying that smoking is a virtue. But if someone wants to ruin their health by smoking, that is their own business. How they choose to die is nobody else's business but their own. Far as money is concerned, it is much cheaper to die of Cancer or Heart Disease, than to die of old age.
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Spain extradites Austrian author for Holocaust denial
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10/23/2007 8:47:58 AM
The public statements made, the propaganda films shown, the sheer numbers of people that were connected directly to the Shoah .....all make for an ability to historically say that an overwhelming number of Germans were aware of this "dirty little secret".
There WAS an attempt made to keep it secret, but the total volume of Germans actively involved in it, the public works spoken , the propaganda films made,public boycotts, the laws passed - all show a clear intent to make the Jewish "problem" vanish.
Of course they knew. And so did the governments of Canada, England and the United States. The same men who denied Jews the chance to emigrate to America and America would have known perfectly well what was going to happen to the Jews if Germany and America fought an industrial scale war. Tens of millions of European civilians died in the Second World War.
There was a solution that could have prevented the Holocaust. Hitler wanted them gone because Jews stood in the way of the Nazis' total control of Europe. But the solution that Germany could not live with was Jewish emigration to Palestine. A pro-US state in the Middle East was not in Germany's long-term interest.
If the Jews had been allowed to come to America as Hitler came to power, how many of them would have gone to Palestine to create a Jewish state there? To work on Kibbutz farms, to send their children into military service, to live with the constant anxiety of suicide bombings and wars with their Arab neighbours.
Debating these Holocaust deniers is a fool's errand. If you want to know why six million Jews died in the war ask yourself why they weren't allow to come to America.
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Netherlands to propose burqa ban
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10/23/2007 6:32:58 AM
Western Civilization is fundamentally liberal. We value our individual liberties, constitutional government, and secularism. Since the end of the wars of religion, and the tearing down of the fuedal order, the western world has lived by those principles and they have gradually instilled in us a great level of tolerance. We now have societies that are the envy of the world. Where people of all races are free to prosper and pursue their own happiness.
But we hit a crossroads when we realize we are bringing in large groups of people who do not place the same importance on secularism and could in the long-term, undermine our fundamental values.
That is the contradiction the Dutch are grappling with. How do you incorporate a minority that is fundamentally anti-secular, and still maintain a liberal society where everyone is treated equally? It is one of those problems like abortion where the rights of two parties can never be fully resolved.
I think what is really going to happen here, is a long overdue debate on immigration. For too long we have relied on immigrants as a readily available supply of cheap labour. Without thinking about the long-term consequences of mixing different groups of people into what were previously nation states. We need to discuss what it means to be a nation, what is our national identity? Do we become just another visible minority in our own lands? Are we prepared to do that? Or do we admit we are not yet prepared to sacrifice our national identities.
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Spain extradites Austrian author for Holocaust denial
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10/22/2007 5:00:53 PM
We're not allowed to question the official account of Nazi culpability because to do so would expose the Americans' imperialist motives in denying Jewish immigration.
If America had taken Jewish refugees, there would not have been a Holocaust. And if there hadn't been a Holocaust, there wouldn't have been an Israel. And if there were no Israel, there would not be a pro-US regional power in the Middle East today.
The Jews are just one of God's tribes, and in the Imperial chessboard, it's always been a game of turning one tribe against another.
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