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 Author Thread: Is the number of acceptable places to approach women offline shrinking?
 xeot
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 77 (view)
 
Is the number of acceptable places to approach women offline shrinking?
Posted: 11/20/2009 2:42:35 PM

One of the early PC games was just that. Liesure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards.

I played one of the Leisure Suit Larry games once. It was a typical picture-text-adventure, only the theme and the environment was different. It played exactly like a D&D style one. Find objects, solve puzzles, navigate the 'maze', etc.

For those too young to have a clue what I'm talking about Homestarrunner.com makes their own 80s style games as part of the humor of the site. The game they have most like LSL is "Peasant's Quest". Just throw that in your favorite search engine and it will turn up.

Being successful at LSL has about as much value in dating as winning any other video game. (not that you said it did)
 xeot
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 63 (view)
 
Is the number of acceptable places to approach women offline shrinking?
Posted: 11/19/2009 8:11:41 PM
Internet dating isn't the cause of less acceptability of places to approach, rather I think it's the reaction to it.

There are some men who were really a problem for women with their persistence for the lack of a better term. The reaction to this was various notions/rules that boiled down to it was only acceptable to approach a woman who wanted a guy to approach. Of course all these new rules didn't do anything about the men who were a problem in the first place, but the guys who weren't a problem now didn't want to be seen as a 'jerk'. So they tried to obey these new rules. Many women I think started believing these rules as well.

These notions picked up in things like college freshman orientations and the like (The last one I had to go through was with regards to being a teaching assistant in grad school) where 'sexual harassment' and similar topics were discussed. Plus a guy starts hearing from women about how some guy was so horrible for approaching her at the store or something or was just plain wrong because he wasn't good enough for her. Hear enough stories like that and a guy who doesn't want be that horrible jerk will just not do anything that might result in such a perception.

Then there's the most powerful factor. The fear. We are told day in and day out to fear strangers from the time we are little kids. It's gotten worse since the 80s. There are feminist groups saying that 'all men are potential rapists' and things of that nature. There is the fear of crime in general too. Fear stories about 'date rape' and so on. The society is simply paranoid IMO. The person who stated that 'america is a solitary society' was so very correct. The fear of the other is so prevalent that it destroys interaction. This is probably more of a big city/metro area type thing, but it seems to even be hitting smaller towns now.

One guy said one out ten women would have a positive reaction and that made it just a numbers game.... if it were only that good such trial and error would be worth it. For many guys I don't think it's even close to that. I know it isn't for me. Maybe more like one out of a hundred, and when your daily life doesn't bring you into contact with many women it takes a long time to get to a hundred. ;)

The problem with internet dating is that it has all its own rules that are just as much of a paradox that has been the subject of many threads.

At this point I think the only solution for me is to move to another country or at least another state, away from big cities at least.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 23 (view)
 
Extended Solar Minimum
Posted: 4/24/2009 2:25:02 PM

I'm just curious because, while you decry political motivations of those who support human-caused global warming, those who are opposed to that interpretation frequently have their own political agenda.


One only needs to see how man-made CO2 driven global warming theory is handled to know it is scam for the benefit of the powers that be. First, China, a rich country with trillions of dollars of reserves is not required to meet any CO2 targets let alone simple 'don't poison yourself' pollution prevention. If man made CO2 was a real issue, if the powers that be actually believed it themselves, the policy of leaving China exempt while the USA and other nations are not could not be. All these policies, treaties, what have you accomplish is to move the point of CO2 production from some place like Cleavland to some place like Tianjin. There are numerous other examples of power plays and funneling of wealth to governments and those attached to them, but nothing says it better than the key policy that shows they don't even believe it.

The other huge flaw is how the water man is adding to the system is neglected. It should have a much greater effect than CO2 because it has to be in the system somewhere. As water vapor it's green house gas, leaving the atmosphere it becomes precipitation (possibly increasing or decreasing it in various regions), then as a liquid it has to be in a body of water somewhere.


How do you explain the melting of the arctic tundra? The rapid retreat of glaciers around the world? The very real thinning of the arctic ice sheet - after all, the Northern Passage has actually opened for northern circumnavigation.

Spin and selective reporting. The media uses the same techniques to con people into wars and other nonsense that is desirable for governments. To scare people such that they allow a small minority to manage ever more of their lives.

The northwest passage has been navigable many times over the past century. It was first achieved in approximately 1906 if my memory is correct. It is quite the lie to present it as they do. Ice cover and thickness have been increasing in some areas, decreasing in others. But the earth, like mars and other planets should haven shown signs of warming because of increased solar output. Now that solar output is down earth and mars and other planets are showing signs of cooling. Lots is made of retreating glaciers, little is made of increasing thickness. Just go see photos of the 1950s soviet station where the entire building is now under the ice... or the 1940s aircraft under the greenland ice.

As to models, computer models are only as good as their assumptions. It's the assumptions that are the problem and why the models continue to fail real world tests.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 15 (view)
 
Extended Solar Minimum
Posted: 4/23/2009 10:01:08 PM
CO2 is a minor greenhouse gas. The reason there is so much focus on it as far as I can tell is because of the political power that controlling it offers. And since much of the research is government funded, it becomes a vicious cycle. Then there is the way that the computer models are accepted as truth but all they do is spit out a result that is consistent with the assumptions programmed into them.

As far as I can tell solar output is a much better fit to earth's climate than CO2. But note, often those who push man-made-CO2 global warming will produce data that only looks at a certain part of solar output like visible light and claim it invalidates solar influence. Total solar energy was up while we had the hot years and now that it is down we are getting colder ones.

cooling vs. warming. Snowball earth theory has been making gains in acceptance, it's a real theory based on geological evidence. Warming is usually associated with periods of advancement in human civilization. That is the powers that be often lose their grip on people. That said, the monster will eat the sun (or other environmental hazard) and you will die unless you do what we say scam has worked for rulers for thousands of years. 'global warming' tells me it still works pretty good.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 2488 (view)
 
Internet dating: sucks for guys, good for women.
Posted: 4/22/2009 9:18:34 PM

> I never said all guys send hi messages. only 198 out of 200 so far.
> And the two who made a bit of effort to say hello properly got a reply from me.
See and here is the problem. I have noticed a lot of women want a book for a first message. It's unrealistic. I realize women want to be flattered by the guy writing a message and talking about something he liked in her profile but come on, be fair.


The problem is that the vast majority of women have nothing usable in their profile to write something more than hello. One or two sentence profiles about how she loves to have fun and travel... maybe a couple generic personality traits and then photos. I've lost count on how many women here that I would have written if there was something I could write about from their profile. I know a 'hello/hi' one liner won't get anywhere so I don't bother. I am not so classless as to write something about her physical traits from the photos so I just wouldn't respond.

1. Stuck-up, snooty women who think they are God’s gift to men. With the tons of e-mail they get from hopeful suitors, they acquire both swelled heads and a wildly unrealistic opinion of their market value in the dating world. Women like this are clearly suffering from what I call ‘Princess Syndrome’. A characteristic symptom of the malady is having a stringent laundry list of ‘requirements’ and ’standards’ few men could ever hope to meet.

Online dating is a lot like engineering school when it comes to dating. Because of that, it all seems normal to me. :)
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 200 (view)
 
Ladies.....is anyone else NOT amused by.......
Posted: 4/16/2009 7:54:13 PM
Now POF has the height in the basic profile, but other places online I've gotten one liners from women asking how tall I am. I've been tempted to ask them their bra size in return. :)
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 68 (view)
 
Would you dismiss someone just because they like the rival team ?
Posted: 4/11/2009 11:08:23 PM

'm a Cub fan. Love the team. I have no problem dating someone who likes another team.


I don't follow baseball in any detail of significance. I'll know the executive summary on the white sox but that is about it. However, it's a very trendy thing in Chicago to be a cubs fan. I'm old enough to remember when wrigley field was practically empty for games back in the early 1980s. Anyway I've been summarily rejected more than once for not being a cub fan. Being a sox fan is just one of the things that make me unfashionable ;)
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 427 (view)
 
Why do women who show cleavage get upset when a guy stares at their breasts?
Posted: 4/11/2009 12:18:36 AM

it would be weird if a guy DIDNT check out my boobs at least once.


Too bad more women don't think that way.. :)
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 1423 (view)
 
Must have job, car, house...are they after my cash?
Posted: 4/10/2009 11:19:25 PM

Owning a house is fine, but it doesn't mean that you are financially secure anymore than having a lot of credit cards.


The problem is that many women do judge a guy based on indicators of wealth. The cheap credit of the bubble economies of the 90s and 00s I believe had very negative effects on the dating world. those of us who did not participate in it, that is did not borrow all sorts of money to drive around in a fancy car or buy a home in a trendy neighborhood, and so on were at quite a disadvantage. Now the bust finally arrives, where we should shine and what happens? The government takes from us, devalues our savings (that is create new money) to bailout debtors. There are huge negative social consequences that go along with this I'm sure.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 53 (view)
 
Eharmony - Knowing What You Are Buying ?
Posted: 4/8/2009 8:29:03 PM

Notice that those sites never show you who the paid members are? That would be too easy... And too revealing!

They even have profile approval processes to make sure people don't say they only have the 'free' account in their profiles too.

The 'free' profile would go away entirely if they didn't need numbers for advertising purposes.

I'm not bored enough to do this exercise, but the percentage of paid accounts could be calculated by taking the number of profiles match claims to have on their site then divide the gross revenue (might be impossible to find if they are privately owned) on their annual report by an average annual cost from the fee structure. These two numbers give estimates of total profiles and paid members. If match sells advertising space the percentage of paying customers will be skewed upwards.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 52 (view)
 
Talk About Being Impatient
Posted: 4/8/2009 7:13:55 PM
It's not about being impatient, but rather a bad reaction to a standard form of rejection, which even if the OP was being honest and accurate, that's what it usually is and how he interpreted it.

If were in a conversation online with a woman and it went that way I would interpret it as a rejection. I wouldn't say anything about it. I would just play a long with it. My experience at that point tells me I will never hear from the woman again. Either I've said something that was a little bit off or I'm not a perfect fit for the ideal in her head or someone more interesting has come along. po-tee-tweet, so it goes.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 23 (view)
 
Is desparation a turn-off?
Posted: 4/6/2009 6:38:44 PM

However, I've seen some see "desperate" as when someone shows them a lot of interest. I remember a woman whom I showed a lot of interest in (because I thought she was gorgeous, intelligent, and very cool) rejected me (friendzone). When we talked about relationships one time the subject of my interest came up, and she said I was just so desperate, which is how she described any guy who basically showed her interest.


That matches my experience. Just by showing interest in one woman chosen from many can cause her to think that guy is desperate. Desperate even though he passed up others in the process.

I've seen the condition where any guy who showed any interest was 'desperate' by default as well. On the other hand, it often seemed to have a hell of a lot to do with the woman's interest in the guy. Two guys can do the exact same thing the exact same way and one would be 'desperate' while the other would be 'sweet'.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 68 (view)
 
why do most men push so hard ? LOL
Posted: 4/4/2009 10:22:11 PM

i was always taught that the man is the hunter and therefore should pursue a woman he is interested in. if you think women are supposed to chase you, then you will be single forever.
and
in my experience, if a woman chases a man, she is seen as desperate and needy and no man wants someone like that.


An unwanted pursuit by a man is seen as desperate as well. And that's the rub. Somewhere along the line an unwanted pursuit/attention by a man became socially unacceptable. Some guys can put this aside and don't care while others try to do behave in a socially acceptable manner and it results in a nasty chicken-and-egg problem. A woman chasing isn't needed, what is needed is a clear sign that the pursuit is wanted or at least acceptable. better yet a meeting that doesn't require pursuit by either party. (BTW Mixed signals are very very bad.)
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 61 (view)
 
why do most men push so hard ? LOL
Posted: 4/4/2009 4:49:08 PM

Are you using big words to confuse me? lol
No, that's the way I describe things given my education and profession over the last 20 years. It means that men are more alike more or less in this respect.

I think most average women focus more the connection and personality than looks
IME that gets a LOL. I've known even women of sub-average looks to be extremely demanding.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 57 (view)
 
why do most men push so hard ? LOL
Posted: 4/3/2009 1:37:54 PM

can you elaborate on those a little so I know what you mean?


Far more uniform: A smaller standard deviation from the mean. The bell curve is narrower and taller.
much less exacting: This should be biologically obvious.
social penalties: At the extreme a woman can actually slap/hit a guy and get away with it if she objects to his 'come-on'. :) More seriously it's very unusual for a guy to complain about women hitting on him. The reverse is rather common.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 43 (view)
 
why do most men push so hard ? LOL
Posted: 4/2/2009 3:31:50 PM

This is funny because it's the same for women


Not really. Men are far more uniform, much less exacting in what they'll accept, and generally the social penalties if any for a woman guessing 'wrong' are much less.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 38 (view)
 
Eharmony - Knowing What You Are Buying ?
Posted: 4/1/2009 8:14:57 PM
I tried the EH free weekend twice... First time 'there are no matches for you'. Ok, whatever. It's only the greater chicago area. Maybe I am that weird. A few days later it comes up with 'matches', exactly what I said were my 'deal breakers'. Yeah, great computer system ya got there :) Delete profile. A couple years later I try again, figured they had to change to stay in business... get matches... jump through hoops of different 'stages'. No pictures. Get to the point of pictures... $50 a month please.... frack that. Delete profile.

I've have never paid for any pay site. Each and everyone has something that sets off my scam-sense. Plus why do pay sites have about 1000 times the spam as the free ones? Not just the fake messages to get a guy to pay but stuff from outside websites. Other dating sites, russian mail-order brides, and so on. POF and are spam-free by comparison.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 568 (view)
 
for the ladies....can you TRULY say money ain't a factor?
Posted: 4/1/2009 7:54:31 PM
The problem IMO is how 'wealth' is judged in this society. By and large it is judged on the consumer goods a person has. The amount of consumer goods a person has, for the the last decade plus, has been determined by his debt tolerance. A guy can look like he can support a certain lifestyle only for it to be entirely on credit.

Then again, so many women willingly and knowingly date deadbeats and leaches.....


PS: Now that the bust has finally arrived I thought it would be a time that those of us who were financially prudent could benefit. Instead we're gonna get the bill! I should have bought (leased?) the fancy cars and the no-money-down mcmansion! :) Could have gone from being desirable for my money to one of those exciting living on the edge deadbeats ;)
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 35 (view)
 
why do most men push so hard ? LOL
Posted: 4/1/2009 7:38:53 PM
Korky The Kounselor's msg #23 is spot on.

Trying to guess the exact right level of contact, level of pursuit with each and every woman is impossibly difficult. I don't try any longer. What's too much? What's too little? It's different with every woman and differs with every woman for every guy. There is no widely agreed upon social standard of acceptability. Many men try to be socially acceptable and try not to offend while other guys just push really hard and don't care about being socially acceptable. I think the later works better if a guy can avoid prison for stalking ;)

What's really funny is that sometimes a woman will want to meet up on fairly short notice or expect immediate replies and I won't have checked my email or phone messages compulsively and missed it so I'm not trying hard enough, but if I check my email compulsively, reply right away, and am available on short notice it means I'm desperate ;) I just find it amusing now. It used to be frustrating, but what's the point? nothing I can do about it.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 564 (view)
 
I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 4/1/2009 6:19:42 PM

doing drugs is illegal and as a role model do not be surprised if she has some confusion about obeying rules


Only if the government is a parent and an adult is its child for that is the only applicability of such a 'rule' dictating what a person can or cannot consume.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 34 (view)
 
Lady Smith and Wesson, Don't Leave Home Without It
Posted: 3/28/2009 9:38:28 PM
I can't let that one go. One last one for you as well.

No fact. Paul Bernardo did not murder most of his victims.

-FACEPALM- The conjecture is WHY some weren't killed.
, it is better to fight if you can and if there is a chance of killing the rapist.
Already dealt with this. You don't have to be able to kill to deter.
Hunting a bear with a 22 is a joke because the bullet would not hurt it much ,just make it angry. It's not my fault you did not get the joke.
Backpeddling. I know a .22 is small. You were making a clear analogy to bolster your argument. Or was it a joke when you were arguing a woman can't fight back because she is tiny compared to the man attacking her? Your analogy was, without so much as a separate paragraph or smiley: woman = hunter with .22, male attacker = bear.
I said when the time was right women rose up and fought
There was nothing special about the 'time' other than that people did so in mass. That's all it takes. No special timing. Just masses of people saying 'no more'.
People who are pacifist believe that to everything there is a season,even corrupt murdering governments. Everything ends and outlasting someone means you win.
Pacifists resist without violence, they still resist. -FACEPALM- Reservations are still hell holes. Submission resulted in mass death in the 19th century.
you can't ever know what it is like to not be able to over power another man
Because no men have ever been in a situation where they are physically weaker than their attacker(s)?
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 32 (view)
 
I would have just laid there and taken it
Posted: 3/28/2009 9:16:37 PM

Seriously, you're going to quote the 'strawman' theory again? Aren't you tired of using that same rebbutal in all your arguements the minute someone doesn't agree with you?

I'm sorry, I'm not going to defend an argument you construct for me. I'll just call it what it is rather than get sucked in to the trap.

You even had the gaul to bring up traffic into your numerous ludicrous comparisons.
I didn't compare it to anything, I simply listed it as one of the many areas where the prevailing advice when someone is aggressive is to give in and submit. Please stop lying like this.

Not to mention, I'm not the one here who thinks that being attacked by a grizzly bear is somehow on the same scale as someone assualting or raping someone. To which, I agree with Banana Anna that it is a foolish comparison and that is just an understatement.

Another lie. I didn't bring up the bear. Nor did I say it was on the same scale. Anna brought up that analogy. I just turned it around on her and showed it was the exact opposite of how she used it. It's called good debate practice. Something that is rather foreign to these forums.

And that's only a few of your comments.

Snipped and bizzaroly interpeted, but let me explain them to you:
1) refers to the fact that if a people allow, submit to, certain behaviors, it encourages those behaviors. There is no way to interpret that as a person being responsible for being attacked. The individual isn't responsible for being attacked, although the expectation of the attacker to find submissive victims (for any crime) might well be the fault of the prevailing advice to submit.
2) It's just as it says, putting the attacker's emotions above one's own well being, throwing one's self on the mercy of the attacker. That doesn't imply responsibility for the attack.
3) That's the truth of the world. What wildabeast does the lion kill for dinner? Is it the fault of that wildabeast that it got attacked? No. A lion is what it is. The human predator is what it is. It goes after the weak. Being weak doesn't make a person responsible for another's actions either. It's in no way a logical conclusion to say it does. When more people are willing to resist the human predator thinks about what might immediately happen to him. The law was mentioned some time back. If punishment through the courts is supposed to be a deterrent, what is being injured or killed by the intended victim?
4) That's the simple truth. I stopped listening to bad advice. It wasn't my fault I was attacked. Why would you think I'd be saying it was my fault?

Because giving in is what is "degenerating the society."

Because women were always felt up at airports and so much more? Or is the submission of society at large simply encouraging more and more degenerate behavior by those with power that comes from it?

I'm done with this thread. Those who don't get it by now won't get it, and those who got it but like to just create fictions aren't about to stop.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 29 (view)
 
Lady Smith and Wesson, Don't Leave Home Without It
Posted: 3/28/2009 7:57:59 PM

Well that's an understatement that the scale is different.The difference between having your feelings hurt and being murdered.

Hurt feelings? Guess you were never physically attacked by such people. Get a clue please, it's not just feelings even on that lower scale.

Paul Bernardo was a violent rapist and most,not all, of his victims he let go. He probably would of had a lot more murders under his belt had his victims tried to overpower someone so much bigger and stronger.

Conjecture based on your own biases.

You seem to think that putting yourself entirely at the mercy of a violent control freak is going to turn out well. Killing someone is the ultimate expression of power to such a criminal.

Getting back to my original point... Ever notice what happens to societies that become submissive to violent control freaks that rise to political power? The people are murdered in mass. Submission does not discourage the desire to kill, they kill because it is the ultimate in control, the ultimate in power.


Yeah dude you go and punch a bear in the nose and then he will eat your face. I never said I was going to go anywhere with a rapist.In fact I believe I said I don't know what I would do ,and that whatever the situation called for at the time,and whatever seemed like the best course of action is what I would do. You are getting my post mixed up with other posters and picking certain sentences here and there and ignoring the rest that is written.

I'm not getting anything 'mixed up'. I am replying directly the comment that was above that paragraph. You might not know what you are going to do, but you're making bad analogies, I just called you on it.

Hun if you don't know the difference between a human being and a bear then perhaps you need glasses.

Defense against a bear is your analogy, not mine, HUN. You just invalidating your own analogy when the reality is that it supports my argument instead of yours. The bear being much bigger and stronger can be made to flee if a person fights back and hurts it. It doesn't matter that the person can't kill it. It makes your 'too weak and too small' argument fail, so don't pull this condescending BS.

A bear is acting only on instinct and is not a sentient life form.

Many if not most criminals can probably be outwitted by an average bear. :)

Victims of rape who have survived have in the past survived by talking to their rapist and appealing to whatever shred of human decency they had in them.

SOME did survive but they still got raped. Many others didn't get raped because they fought back from the get go.

No amount of talking in the world will stop a grizzly from killing you when it has a mind to.Your comparison between a bear and a rapist is an extremely foolish. I was joking about hunting a bear with a 22 obviously. You are dead serious which is extremely troubling. I mean you even went to the length of providing links!!

My comparison? You made the comparison, I just showed it supported my argument not yours. The links were to seal that. Also, you weren't joking. You were putting forth a very clear analogy about an attacker being too big and strong to fight off. What is really shameful is your refusal to admit that your analogy was bad and instead try to ridicule me.

Sometimes in life you are the hunter and sometimes you are the prey. People have survived from the beginning of time by being the prey and submitting to their aggressors. Had all the first nations peoples thought as you did they would all be dead and gone. All of their ways and culture gone with them. Thankfully they saw the wisdom in surviving on their knees for a better day and now they are finally rebuilding and coming back. It takes a strong person or people to live as long as they have on their knees,gritting their teeth and waiting for the day to emerge again.

There are times where individuals have to pretend to submit to a degree, but the roll over and give in as the default solution is simply absurd. Society wide it's just insane. Freedom doesn't come from giving in. It comes from fighting for it. Submission on a society wide basis becomes slavery or worse. Time and time again throughout history it has been death. It is submission of the masses that puts those who do resist at greater risk. The more people who resist the better the society as a whole is. It makes oppression by the aggressors logistically impossible. It makes it difficult to find people to do the dirty work when people resist and kill their help. The oppression requires that the mass be submissive and even serve their own oppression. I think it's quote time:
"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more . we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward." - Solzhenitsyn

Women in general are another group who have lived so long on their knees bowing to men,their aggressors.
Do you think that anything would have changed if women remained submissive as a whole? Nothing would have changed. You'd have still cover your ankles out in public. :) You're so good at bringing in analogies that only bolster my argument.
Also... in direct reply to one of my statements you wrote: "Oh and this handgun suggestion".
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 27 (view)
 
Lady Smith and Wesson, Don't Leave Home Without It
Posted: 3/28/2009 4:35:39 PM

As I said before Xeotide, you talk a good talk and not to say the logic doesn't make sense but as with everything in life one approach to one situation isn't necessarily the answer to all in every situation.

That's a nice strawman you built. Easy to knock down isn't it? I didn't argue there is one approach for everything, but you're apparently telling me there is one and mine never works.

Foremost, I personally don't care to know about you're personal experiences, so no need in conveying esp. since I wasn't asking. It was a hypothethical statement, look it up if you're not familiar on the meaning.

Your statement doesn't even parse. I can't tell what the frack you were getting at with any kind of certainty. It seemed to be a 'let's see how you act when push comes to shove'. Push has come to shove, more often than I would like to admit, but life got a lot better when I stopped listening to the advice to just take it.

One could find what you say offensive especially if they have been in that situation. You make it seem as if though the victim of an assault deserves what happens to them if they don't fight back. Which makes you sound callous know it all, so stop preaching.

Woah... that's completely absurd. It seems that since you cannot put forth a rational argument for the 'just let them do it' philosophy you simply have resorted to attacking me. First the strawman, then condescending statement, and now out right false characterization. There is nothing in my posts that can be remotely interpreted that way. The only thing I did was logically attack the global _ADVICE_ to just give in as being a huge risk and overall damaging to society at large because it empowers the criminal element.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 22 (view)
 
Lady Smith and Wesson, Don't Leave Home Without It
Posted: 3/28/2009 8:51:04 AM

We are not talking about a bully like the kid in school who teased you because you momma dressed you funny.We are talking about a dangerous violent offender who has in all likelihood raped before and probably worse.

Yes the scale is different, but it's the same dynamic and all the more riskier to take the standard advice of 'sit there and take it' when it's a "dangerous violent offender".

Again we are not talking about the misunderstood school yard bully. We are talking about a dangerous psychopath who in all likelihood will have no problem murdering you. And how is someone who is smaller and not as strong supposed to kick someones ass? Sure maybe that lady wrestler china could kick a mans ass ,but the rest of us are not capable of that. Do you really think that someone who is this evil who would rape and murder would run away if you hurt him a little? For someone that hell bent you better darn well kill him and not just hurt him a little. That's like suggesting you take a 22 and go hunt a grizzly bear with it.

So you're just going to go with this psycho willingly to somewhere he has even more control? You're not going to make a lot of noise and put up a fight of any kind? Do nothing that would make him nervous, scared, or anything else that might cause him to flee? Just be a victim? Like you state, the person is evil, dangerous, and likely a murderer. Are you just going to hope that he hasn't yet progressed to murder? You do know how to fend off a bear right? PUNCH IT IN THE NOSE. http://listverse.com/nature/top-5-tips-for-surviving-a-bear-encounter/ http://www.ehow.com/how_2037062_survive-grizzly-bear-attack.html Of course feel free to give up and let the bear kill you and not even make noise to scare it off. Anyway... go here: http://www.aeispeakers.com/video.php?SpeakerID=102

> It puts the choice a person has to make as one where he can be a hunter or prey.
You are suggesting hunting a human being with no soul and who views you as nothing more then an object for amusement and pleasure? In order to be the hunter you must have tools at your disposal that enable you to overpower your prey. Being a man you are evenly matched with another man so you have the chance to over power and win in the battle. Women are smaller and weaker and don't have as much of a chance.

When you say that people are just supposed to submit to those that are aggressive you create a binary choice. Either a person is the predator, the person who goes about forcing other people and using violence to gain what he wants or you are the prey of such people. There's no longer a middle ground. What these teachings tell people who have no regard for anyone but themselves is that other people have to obey them, that other people are their toys for the taking. That they will just submit.

Sometimes you have to live on your knees for a while in order to live for another day. Oh and this handgun suggestion,
It's a lot less often than you think and certainly no reason to have the default action to be to give in and do what a criminal wants. And I didn't say anything about carrying a gun.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 19 (view)
 
Lady Smith and Wesson, Don't Leave Home Without It
Posted: 3/28/2009 1:19:11 AM
re: pecan315

I feel no reason to relate my personal experiences to you. But you know how to stop a bully right? Does the bully ever go away by giving him what he's demanding? Or does he just demand more and more? You bet he does. Kick his ass or even just hurt him a little defending yourself and he goes and bothers someone else.

But let's examine the logic of giving in. Why shouldn't a person take if it is our duty to just let them take whatever it is they want or do whatever it is they wish to do to us? It puts the choice a person has to make as one where he can be a hunter or prey. An unacceptable choice for a civilized society where person is sovereign. This giving in stuff is degenerating the society into that hunter-prey dynamic.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 15 (view)
 
Lady Smith and Wesson, Don't Leave Home Without It
Posted: 3/27/2009 3:22:49 PM
Wow.. the 'just let them do it' programming has really sunk into this society.

Everything from traffic to robberies to rapes to hijackings and more, just give in, just let them do it, just be passive and submissive and hope not to agitate the aggressive person.

Here's what happens when people just let themselves be victims to aggressive people using force, it encourages more of that behavior. The attacker, thief, etc learns that he can do as pleases because nobody will stand up to him. Other people see the criminal behavior go without anyone fighting back and then do it themselves.

Police and government saying to give in? The government and its police forces are not independent and non-biased when it comes to giving in to aggressive people using force to take what they want. Why? Because that's exactly what government and police do. They need people who are conditioned to give in when confronted by force not a population that will fight back.

Many if not most criminals are basically cowards and/or lazy and need to find easy and submissive targets. The more 'hard targets' there are out there the better it is for everyone.

That's not to say every cop tows the party line. Google up J. J. Bittenbinder ("Tough Target")
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 152 (view)
 
Was I out of line on boobs??
Posted: 3/25/2009 4:28:25 PM
1) It sounds like a classic case of her only wanting men she finds attractive looking at her and making comments about her breasts. If a guy she was attracted to wrote something regarding her breasts it would likely be just fine. A guy who she isn't attracted to that writes the exact same thing is a perv, jerk, creep, stalker, rude, and/or a whole bunch of other things.

2) People, especially those in American society do not like their hypocrisies pointed out. They become offended and often angry. It is the expected response. (they also don't like their illusions disturbed/broken, but that another topic :) )
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 10 (view)
 
Has anything like this ever happened to you?
Posted: 3/5/2009 7:34:06 PM
all I can say is ... wow. just wow.

All those chances... all that creepy and pushy behavior... and on top of it someone who hasn't gotten back on his feet in how many years has it been now? And the OP didn't find him physically attractive? (it would make sense if she did)

I think I can speak for every guy that gets shut out at the first tiny mis-step that the story is just remarkable.... I don't even want to know what would happen if I waited for a woman to come out of a movie theater... It would probably involve red and blue lights on top of cars ;)
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 186 (view)
 
Why do tall big men want tiny women ?
Posted: 3/2/2009 2:50:15 PM

And you tall women none of you even like really tall guys most of the time so just shut up.

I understand where you're coming from. Supposedly there are all these women out there that will accept any flaws in a guy so long as he's tall. I haven't met a single one of them either. I think it's a myth created by short guys ;)
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 117 (view)
 
Why misrepresent yourself?
Posted: 3/1/2009 9:09:43 PM

Just a fun online story.....I once met a woman who doictored her pics and said she was 5'4....125 pounds. When we finally met she was more like 5'1....230 pounds and did'nt look anything like her pics.


There aren't many people out there that good at the techniques to do that convincingly. Are you sure it wasn't "the art of myspace cropping" ? :)
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 98 (view)
 
Why misrepresent yourself?
Posted: 2/27/2009 6:02:52 PM
People misrepresent themselves because in the way that this society is constructed that is often the course with the greatest chance of success. Sure, it's likely not going to hold up long term, but this is a short term driven society. Additionally one has to get a foot in the door to have a chance at the long term.

I'm not encouraging misrepresentation. I refuse to do such a thing. But I still recognize that by not doing so it does put a person at a disadvantage.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 469 (view)
 
What professions are a turn off?
Posted: 2/27/2009 5:39:26 PM

WOW, that's a great list of some of the most gifted and talented and smart people walking the earth...and they all turn you off???


To be attracted to or succeed in most of the occupations listed a person often has the undesirable (to Annonimiss) personality traits listed. Although some of them are just bogglesome.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 538 (view)
 
I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/22/2009 8:43:35 PM

I was beginning to wonder if you could get properly pissed off at all.

Sorry, I am not pissed off. You're a very weak troll. If you think you're lame insults are worthy of getting pissed off about. You're nothing compared to the trolls of usenet at its peak. Simply put, your skills suck. You are transparent. A good troll isn't. Then again I cannot expect much from someone who sees the sort of people who become elected office holders and their employees and thugs to be his masters.

So indulge me here xeo, instead of screaming that the strawman is coming to molest your hind quarters again:
According to this logic, you would therefore defend not only pot smokers and bikers, but also the right of a person to view child porn online, assuming 1) It were available to view totally free of charge and in a totally undetectable fashion, and 2) That person, in no way shape or form was detected in his actions, and/or promoted the cause of child porn in any way whatsoever, and 3) That was all that the person ever did that was illegal, because.....

At least you're learning when you are constructing a strawman but what you are doing here is more of a red herring. Given your posts you probably find the arrest (and cheer for conviction) of 15 year old girl who took naked pictures of herself entirely valid. ( http://wearecentralpa.com/content/fulltext/news/?cid=69372 ) After all, the law is the law, and she's guilty of creating 'child pornography' so she has to be put in a cage and her life ruined (as a sex offender) for her own good.

As to your 1,2 and 3, they make no logical sense what so ever. Children are considered incapable of making their own decisions and thus the parallel you try to construct fails immediately. Adults who use various substances, ride motorcycles, sky-dive, and an infinite number of other things a nanny state may deem 'dangerous' and make illegal are seen as capable of making their own decisions, at least for now.

Now I am real big on live and let live bud, believe me. But, are you beginning to see how this 'politically correct lets-all-be-free laissez-faire b/s attitude run amok' of people like you is overtly promoting the putrefaction of the individual from within, and that inevitably becomes society's burden in the long run? Again.... you need a more balanced attitude.

It's a shame that the only way you can even begin to counter my arguments is to construct your own extreme versions of them and then complain that the argument you just created is too extreme. It's laughable really. It makes me miss the time that the internet was smaller and dominated by people with intelligence. People like you are easier than shooting fish in a barrel.

Anyway, society's problems with drugs are entirely from the results of government's prohibitions and the use of government force to make people pay the costs of those who damaged themselves.
I suggest you learn the the Non-Aggression principle. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle ) Although I doubt you have the mental capacity (after years of dumbing down through the government schools and a mind mushed by television and the mainstream media) to even grasp key principles of liberty. After all, you're an adult child that needs the heavy hand of government to prevent him from hurting himself.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 534 (view)
 
I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/21/2009 6:28:07 PM

Xeo, I'm really starting to feel sorry for you.
You do seem like a nice guy. But you gotta grow a set of balls and suck up the victim attitude thing. The way you moan, I would've thought you were living in the black hole of Calcutta, only for that the average resident there doesn't piss and moan about life nearly as much. Look I'm sorry you got your ass resized by Uncle Sam a while back, but you gotta get over it and move on dude. And for God's sake, stop trying to constantly reason with people when they abuse your ass. Being a doormat does not become you.


Yes reasoning with you is pointless, that doesn't mean watching you respond to reason with insults isn't entertaining. It's pretty clear that you don't understand reason, logic, or anything else, merely the use of force. Although that does explain your views regarding authority. You really might think about improving yourself. Trying to be better than a socialized animal. Then again you may be too far down the eugenics line that Bertrand Russell discussed for that to be possible.

While convincing you is impossible, I get the benefit of introducing ideas and points of view that many may never hear otherwise while having the side benefit of you looking like a fool. Not that I am above insulting you in return, I probably couldn't do a better job than you do to yourself.

There is nothing about being a victim in realizing what the state really is, in fact it is rather empowering because the state loses it's primary tool, the grant of authority. Just because you're too scared to have opinions, to question, to otherwise disagree with those grant authority over you doesn't make those that do to be moaning or victims or anything else. Maybe you'll understand if the government bans motorcycling (because it's dangerous and someone might get hurt) that if takes something away from another person it can take something you care about away next. This is why people like myself who would never smoke pot will defend the right of other people to do so. I don't ride motorcycles either but you'll also find that I defend a person's right to ride one just the same. That is because it is the same thing, the right to live as we see fit so long as we do not harm others.

----
"Gradually, by selective breeding the congenital differences between the rulers and the ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs will become as unthinkable as an organised insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton." - Bertrand Russell
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 530 (view)
 
I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/20/2009 8:29:18 PM
So you're going to make a lame attempt... well good, now we are getting somewhere. we can continue.

Nobody gets victimized when pot is used, except the poor user.

There are infinite numbers of way people can harm themselves. What makes pot special? absolutely nothing.

No crimes against others ever occur due to pot addiction.

Ahh, so you decide to bring in the old drugs bring crime... Those 'crimes' are due to the government's prohibition. Just like they were when alcohol was prohibited. It's the state that makes criminals out of people by making the substance illegal. It's criminal organizations that spring up when a business becomes illegal and loses the ability to operate openly in society. Whatever happened to the crime around alcohol? Vanished the day prohibition did. Or maybe you actually believe that the film "Reefer Madness"... lol. The scary black men will smoke pot and have sex with white women according to the materials of the time. You do know that's how it got made illegal right? Such absurdities are the root of the prohibition.

Nobody gets damaged from pot usage.

People get damaged from lots of things, including stuff the government forces on us. But I know, you believe all of that to be myth. Your government luvs you. Maybe the government should regulate our entire diet under your logic of 'might cause harm to someone'.
The drug war is a failure. It's turning Mexico into a failed state. Just this past year over seven thousand people have been killed in the border region. The toll in lives and treasure alone are rather absurd for a futile effort to keep some people from getting high.

The rest is your usual garbage.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 526 (view)
 
I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/20/2009 4:54:35 PM
re: Msg: 527

LOL. Love it or leave it....

No it's not one of the finest governments on the planet. There are many others that don't go around playing planet wide bully. The US Federal Government is rogue for many reasons beyond the scope of this topic. It has expanded into a global empire. It bombs people like you and I for its benefit and the benefit of those connected to it. It kills in the 'war on (some) drugs'. A new president comes in promising change and inside just a few days manages is to kill normal every day people who were just trying to live their lives. The federal government breeds enemies every day.

But back to love it or leave it, the original federal government was not to do anything with regards to the substances we consumed, or used in any fashion. You might want to actually study some of the founders' writings. Only Hamilton might find some joy in the way things are today (especially the central bank and ignoring the constitution with regards to money), most would be appalled. A good many even grew hemp, some likely even smoked some weed themselves.

But I see you still avoid the question. Who is the victim when someone smokes some pot? Who requires justice? Who's been damaged? Who is supposed to get compensated? What does locking a person in a cage for the use of a plant on himself achieve?

You can continue to construct fictions in an attempt to mask your ignorance in ridicule. It has become clear you do not have the intellectual capacity to discuss the principles, questions, and so forth but would rather go for a low level elementary school yard style. I have no interest in such a thing. So, you're welcome to the last word.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 520 (view)
 
I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/19/2009 10:19:41 PM
re: Msg: 521
Translation: You have no answer for who requires 'justice' because someone chose to smoke, grow, or own some pot.

Who is the victim? Who requires 'justice'?

Anyway nice string of nonsense to save face there, the ignoring of every point and claiming victory... classy... especially like the 'suicidal' and 'never find a girlfriend' bits. Really classy way to argue a case there. Talk about childish...lol.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 518 (view)
 
I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/19/2009 9:34:19 PM

But, you clearly are filtering your perception of 'the facts' through some ridiculous, overly naive, anarchistic, and narrowminded set of feelings, where, apparently, the rights of the individual should reign supreme, and societal restraints on the individual's freedom should be greatly diminished.

How about some reasoning instead?

Foolish to even question the state? Apparently, you consider it to be foolish to question the state's sole and obvious intent to impose tyranny over the poor huddled and oppressed masses. So studying the basics of the justice system is irrelevent to you, as it is simply propaganda to enslave the common man's mind. Am I not reading you correctly?

I have studied the state and it boils down to one thing, using violence to enforce the will of the ruling class. That's what the state does to people who smoke a plant. Forcibly locks them in cages. The state operates with really one tool, force. Everything the state does boils down to force. Think about it. And it's intent? Usually it's own monetary, power, and political gains for those working in, around, and for it. But since you are hinting at that the state does this for our own good, you might consider this:

"Of all tyrannies a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis



If the population of the earth were exactly 1, it would make perfect sense to do away with all societal constraints. Being as it is more than 1, the societal constraints inevitably play a significant factor, and it then becomes a balance between the individual and society... hopefully a healthy one.

Strawman.

What I am saying, is that it sounds like you should take a few hours and study the basics of the justice system that has evolved over several thousand years, and which forms the basis of our modern day western democratic society. So that you can consider both sides of the equation, instead of just the one.

Your the one that needs to study it. Start with the important documents that are getting trampled today. You'll find if you study the justice system over thousands of years that what it did was serve the needs of the ruling class, that is the needs of the state. It cares not for the people. It exists in most examples to secure the state's power. That's what it does today, erasing the gains of centuries because some people think the state should be saving people from themselves.

With things like administrative court the magna-carta has been erased. Without jury nullification, juries lose much of their purpose. (another piece of centries old justice destroyed in part for the sake of the drug war) And the other side? The state deciding what we can and cannot put in our bodies? What else is the state deciding for us with its courts these days? Quite a lot it seems. I suggest you go back to the old English law around concepts such jury nullification to get an idea of building a justice system that simply didn't serve the wishes of the state.


Then you may have a less radical, a more intelligent, and a more balanced approach to the issue of individual rights vs. societal rights.


Societal rights. There is no such thing if you actually think about it. What you seem to be referring to is the construct that others are harmed by an individual's personal choices and therefore the state must step in regarding those personal choices. In the case being discussed, there is no harm to others unless the state uses force to make people provide for the health care of other people. Which is back to a violation of individual rights and the state's use of force. Constructs such as "societal rights" spiral into total control and management of people's lives. The building of nanny states at best, North Korea's at worst.

Only a fool would choose to ignore the justice system basics and simply continue to rant only about the oppressed rights of the individual.

Who's the victim if a person decides to smoke pot? Who requires 'justice'?
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 513 (view)
 
I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/19/2009 3:27:03 PM

Your expression of 'feeling ridiculed' reveals much about your own degree of open mindedness and willingness to seriously consider differences of thought.


1) The ridiculing nature of the post is a fact. Your language is quite clear. My feelings are irrelevant.

2) Here's a clue for you, I wouldn't do any of the currently illegal drugs, I simply respect the right of others to own their bodies. If they wish to ruin their bodies fine, theirs to ruin. Your view is apparently one of 'the law is the law'. That is not a open minded in any shape or form. It is the definition of closed minded.


Buy the book just like I did, and read the first chapter just like I did, and stop whining... just like I did. It's not difficult. Then you won't feel ridiculed anymore.


Again, your presentation, your words give away your actual intent. Your argument boils down to ridicule, that it is foolish to even question the state, that one must obey the state. You don't even consider that the state may not have the right to do what it does, to use aggression against the population to enforce the will of the ruling class. Even if we had something that was more like a democracy it would still be a tyranny of the majority and a violation of individual rights.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 509 (view)
 
I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/18/2009 9:46:53 PM

> Furthermore why does the government get to decide what we can and cannot put
> in our bodies? Aren't we free? Isn't the most basic piece of freedom to own one's own
> body?
Why don't you go to your local thrift shop and spend $3.99 on a high school text book on introductory criminal law, and read the first 20 pages. Then you won't have to ask everybody this question anymore. But, in case you aren't motivated to do so, I can answer the last 2 questions with the same answer for each: Yes and no.


Ahh, ridicule. In other words you don't want to deal with those questions because they break the illusions or maybe it's because you don't like the difference in thought that asking the questions can bring about. And you're wrong, we aren't free. So long as there are prohibitions on what we can ingest backed by the use of force and if we don't own our bodies then there is no other freedom, there can't be.

The only reason for the drug laws is force, tyranny, lack of freedom, lack of property rights, lack of liberty, lack of everything this country is supposed to be about. You know, documents like "The Bill of Rights" and many more. We have to own our own bodies or we have nothing.

If the founders knew we couldn't so much as grow hemp for rope they would wonder why we haven't overthrown this government by force. But hey, let's not look at stuff that makes people think, let's just ridicule asking the question and point to the law and say OBEY. Sorry, that isn't acceptable.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 239 (view)
 
Can a man be too tall to date?
Posted: 2/17/2009 8:52:24 PM
re: height filter

There are women out there who will only consider men that are within a very tiny height range. I've run into them. Sometimes it's as small 2 inches.

I used to think that I couldn't be too tall at 6'4" ... that is until I went online and women who knew so little about me would say I was an inch or three taller than their max.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 296 (view)
 
Being in The Right League
Posted: 2/16/2009 8:17:17 PM

> why is it that so many women in these forums have such dislike for what other people do
> with regards to meeting women from overseas?

It's not REALLY my business, but I was under the impression that I'm allowed to have and give my opinion on things. This IS a Forum, not a "meeting of like minds" website.


Who said anything about not being allowed an opinion? Not I. The question is why is there such a dislike? What is the reason behind the opinion? I'd like to understand why even have an opinion on it. Two people get together for their mutual benefit or hope to find a mutual benefit. I don't see why it is of anyone else's concern or why it should even elicit such feelings. Trying to put words in my mouth to avoid answering is poor form, simply don't answer at all if you do not wish to.


> And as far as 'real' women go, ever think that there may be something that
> wrong about American society, or at the very least it is a society that is so weighted to > favoring certain kind of people that others are just left out?

Actually, that's a very American attitude, to think that everyone "should" have the same chance as everyone else (in this case, to marry happily, I guess). IS it a "right" to get to mate? Nope. Not constitutionally and not, apparently, really.


I said nothing about 'same chance', that's your assumption. Please do not put words in my mouth. I also stated nothing about a 'right' to a mate. I spoke of the right to seek happiness. For some reason if a person should decide to shrug off the norms of this society they are worthy of scorn. Why? Can they not seek happiness in their own way? Or must they conform to your ideas of how things should be?

It appears that you would have it that some people cannot seek happiness except in the approved manner and then must go without if they aren't good enough for 'real women'. Where good enough refers to the culture of the USA. Apparently these men don't get to find anyone, that any woman who would be with them is not a 'real woman'. Now if they aren't even interested in a 'real woman' whatever that is, they are really worthy of scorn. Now I can only assume what a is or a 'real woman' is, but I assume it is something like the norm of american consumer society.

Then again, this nation has long thrown away the principles of liberty and instead become a nation where far too many people are far too concerned with the private lives of their neighbors and then seeking to use the power of government or just plain old ridicule and worse on those who dare be different and force conformity. I can never understand this control freakish mentality.

If a man finds that he more compatible with women from another culture, so what? Or is it that american imperialism at work where the other must be converted? Perhaps it is market protection, keeping people in their appropriate 'leagues'? Is that these women represent some form of competition so they have to be maligned as not being 'real women' and the men being bad for choosing them?
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 1402 (view)
 
Must have job, car, house...are they after my cash?
Posted: 2/15/2009 8:27:47 PM
The thing is that everyone knows that a guy being solvent as one put it is a desirable thing. It's a given. Everybody gets that. Listing out in a profile what guy must have though is a warning sign for any guy reading it. When I read it, I try to determine if she's looking for a certain standard of living, had a history of dating deadbeat guys, or just chose poor wording. If the last one I might still write. If the other two, forget it.

I've been judged on my material things and it wasn't just my being solvent that was being judged. I was being judged on how much I was willing to spend. My consumption was being judged. Not my income, not how I managed my money, but the level of my consumption. A level they found less than desirable. But that is the society, being judged on what sort of consumers we are. Debt and consumption are considered good, saving and thrift are considered bad. (just listen to Bush and Obama about how we should spend!)
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 291 (view)
 
Being in The Right League
Posted: 2/15/2009 7:43:50 PM

Um, no, it's a universal truth that it is a route for men who have no options with "real" women. I've known four guys who've done this (Filipino and Ukrainian women), all every guy was a real soft milquetoast who was put off by American women (and they, them). It's the option for men who can't get women on their own, so they have to buy a woman, and--if you go by my admittedly too-small sample--only a 25% "success" rate.


The reality of the situation is that these women are almost always scammers of one variety or another. Sometimes they aren't even women, but some guy using pictures of women online to get men to send money. The internet has allowed for that sort of scam to blossom. These women go around looking for lonely men they can scam. They are everywhere online and one must actively ignore them. Is that astounding that some guys are just simply lonely enough to fall for it?

On another note, why is it that so many women in these forums have such dislike for what other people do with regards to meeting women from overseas? If the guys that do it are so horrible and undesirable why even bother wasting thought on it? Why chastise them? It's their choice. It's not like they were desirable to the women making the complaints, so why? What does it matter?

And as far as 'real' women go, ever think that there may be something that wrong about American society, or at the very least it is a society that is so weighted to favoring certain kind of people that others are just left out? Maybe that's it. The refusal of some to just conform to the mass.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 285 (view)
 
Being in The Right League
Posted: 2/14/2009 3:29:54 PM

> I could just as easily say that evolution is responsible for women who consistently > choose losers (i.e., ``bad boy'' syndrome), in that women are genetically programmed to > seek traits which are not useful in modern society.

The fact that women, myself included, love “bad boys” is that these men posses many of the same qualities that good men do but they have a bit of a dangerous edge to them. They are exciting, daring, take risks, are non conformists…..the very qualities that most successful men possess.


Only non-conformists in the way that conforms to what is currently considered cool. If a guy is a non-conformist, a true one, somebody really doesn't fit in anywhere, well he's not going to do well in dating.

As far as the 'bad boy' and social Darwinism goes all that aims to do is promote the worst humans have to offer. We see the ultimate expression of this in how democracy elects 'leaders'. Most often these people are the most ruthless, the biggest liars, the biggest cheats, and so on. There is a quote that basically says that great men are generally not good men. That is so and so the great was often someone who killed many to achieve his goals.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 502 (view)
 
I was told I am a bad mother because I smoke marijuana.
Posted: 2/13/2009 9:27:05 PM


But you are doing something that is illegal and do you want your daughter to grow up and tell her friends, "My mommy smokes pot!". She'll figure it out one day. Trust me.


Better thing to ask is why is a plant illegal? Furthermore why does the government get to decide what we can and cannot put in our bodies? Aren't we free? Isn't the most basic piece of freedom to own one's own body?

Furthermore... A society where children tattle on their parents it's usually called a police state.

and before someone says something, I don't touch the stuff or anything like it. It's a matter of principle.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 200 (view)
 
Worst clothes to wear on a first date...
Posted: 2/13/2009 6:44:48 PM

I just think a baseball cap at that age is a total turn off .


That's why I wear a real hat, a fedora :) .... seriously I do. I wanted to start wearing a hat again (got tired of being cold and my hair getting wet in the rain) and I like various elements of 1930s style (and baseball caps are for kids) so I bought a brown fedora. I'll probably get a black one soon.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 126 (view)
 
why do nice guys finish last?
Posted: 2/13/2009 6:27:05 PM

forumphantom profoundly gets the bigger picture!


Actually that cut-and-pasted article really tries hard to fit guys into nice little labels and because of that, the bigger picture is lost not seen.

Nice and insecurity do not come together as a package. It is quite possible to stand up for one's self and still be a nice, decent person. Sadly this does cause dating troubles.

When a man is actually just a genuine decent person who helps others some women will see him as a target and then get frustrated when he won't be played. Meanwhile some other women see that same giving nature as weakness and insecurity and are thus turned off.

I'll take a risk here and bring up some personal experiences. When I help a male friend and work on his car it's because I am decent guy, a good friend. He buys a pizza and some beer in return. When I help an old woman with her car it's because I'm a good guy. When I see some guy in the neighborhood having trouble with his car and try to help it's just being neighborly. When I stopped to help some guy with a broken alternator belt and figure out a way to fix it with the few tools available in the parking lot for a beach on maui, I was just an unusual visitor who had the same good nature as the locals. When I help an attractive woman of dating age with her car I am a creepy insecure "nice" guy. (well except for this tom-boyish woman I once worked with. I taught her how to work on her car :) )

The attractive woman of datable age doesn't know that she's just being treated like other people when some guy is willing to help her out. So she'll either be very suspicious and way turned off or she'll try to push for as much as she can get depending on what kind of woman she is. Such is the power of labels.
 xeotide
Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 49 (view)
 
Girl players??
Posted: 2/10/2009 2:41:12 PM

You never know these days. Montel Williams did one using craigslist with a buxom blonde and found the majority were married guys looking to cheat.

Left me wondering how it'd work if they used a piece of manmeat who and what they would reel in. And why they did not do it for the other sex? Maybe it would not get the ratings they wanted. Maybe they did and never used it.


They were looking for married men that cheat because that's what the montel audience wants to see. I'll bet their CL post was constructed in such a way that they would get married men looking to cheat and few if any single men.
 
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