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Will Science soon overshadow religion in political speeches Posted: 9/27/2010 9:15:40 AM
I can't help but feel that too much faith in practically anything these days is a bad idea. If you notice, people with any kind of belief are pretty parochial in their views. Not all that different than in long standing religion. I think that humans are the only beast of burden that puts their own blinders on.

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Gold-The only safe investment? Posted: 9/17/2010 10:45:50 AM
Seems like guns are passe for stealing, one needs only a briefcase these days. I don't think that white collar crime as ever been this bad. The populace is held in constant anxiety about one thing or another and as been proven time and time again, when the people are scared you can talk them into almost anything.

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Florida pastor still insists on Quran burning Posted: 9/9/2010 10:29:30 AM
My interpretation of free speech is just that, speaking your opinion. Speaking your opinion while performing an act that you know is going to provoke physical violence is something else. I don't think that anyone doubts that there will be reprisals. Wars start and/or are perpetuated by provocation. It is the intentional nature of this provocation that I feel is the issue.

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Florida pastor still insists on Quran burning Posted: 9/9/2010 10:15:07 AM
Let the burning take place, BUT hold the ones doing the burning morally responsible for all the resulting deaths that occur in the wake of doing it. Anyone here doubt that there will be violence and renewed anti-american sentiment? It is not inconceivable that this act could actually provoke a terrorist response on american soil but it will most likely result in military deaths and destruction. What is a vague constitutional argument in the face of that? At no time in human history has two wrongs ever made a right. Granted burning a religious text is pretty insignificant compared to 9/11 by our perspective. Still other than giving an obscure pastor his 15 minutes of fame (notoriety), what good is going to come of it anyway?

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At a loss for words...and understanding Posted: 9/4/2010 11:14:12 AM
Some people place the bar impossibly high. I'd give them high marks for optimism but near zero for practicality. The thing to remember is that it is their problem so don't make it yours by taking it to heart. Keep looking for someone who is down to earth enough that they don't have a ten point checklist that perspective suitors need to meet.

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Daughter says she doesn't believe in God Posted: 8/29/2010 8:29:03 AM
Not sure why her nonbelief in god is a problem. It isn't as if she is saying that she wants to be a lawyer or a stockbroker or any of the financial racketeering jobs. I could understand your anxiety if that were the case. Since man invented god, I think it is fair to point out that from a strict marketing standpoint they would do better if they could decide whether god is a loving tolerant and wonderful imaginary authority figure or a jealous, vengeful and intolerant one. I mean I like a choice of which version of deity as much as the next guy but having a jeckel/hyde in christianity seems a little schizophrenic if you ask me. I'd go with the Buddy Christ like in the movie Dogma. Why not have a god figure that you would want to party with?

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Daughter says she doesn't believe in God Posted: 8/26/2010 5:01:56 AM
My kids don't believe in god either. I can't say that their critical thinking skills are great across the board but at the very least it applies where religion is concerned. Life is hard enough without believing in fairy tales.

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Rush Beyond the Lighted Stage Posted: 7/31/2010 7:44:22 AM
I thoroughly enjoyed the film. I think that Rush is either loved, hated or ignored by people. The people who love the band tend to stay fans for a long time (myself-since 1978). It is really something for a band to be around for so long and still working and touring. I just think that the guys love it so much that they will keep at it until they drop.

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Is there any point in posting this? Posted: 7/17/2010 6:32:09 AM
The war on the middle class is pretty much over. When you take out the stable center pole the tent collapses. I am not sure where the corporations are going to make their money after there is not many left to buy their products. Maybe they figure that they will have made enough by then.

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The Ignored War Posted: 7/6/2010 8:21:03 AM
Around 2001 the US and big oil concerns believed that the taliban would be a stabilizing force in afganistan. It wasn't long before the taliban refused to co-operate which prompted this statement from american negotiators, "At one moment during the negotiations, the US representatives told the Taliban, 'either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs,'" When some country has something that you want and they won't let you have access to it you make them your enemy. I doubt that if afganistan didn't have strategic benefits that anyone would care about the taliban and the region in general. It isn't the forgotten war so much as it is just not the flavour of the month anymore. but it isn't going away any time soon in my opinion.

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I have the right! Posted: 7/5/2010 7:46:23 AM
If people have no one else to blame then they claim right to their actions. Obviously having someone to blame is preferable but one needs a plan B. Seems that the rights that we are talking about rely on having people agree with the validity of the claim. The most successful of these claims are those where the race or sex card can trump any logical and sometimes even legal argument. If someone can argue their case loudly and long enough they can often baffle everyone with their bullsh*t and get away with it. Win or lose there will likely be a book deal at the end of it

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Contact with aliens could be risky, Hawking says Posted: 6/29/2010 8:51:17 AM
^^^ with our luck in the U.S. they would legally define themselves and a "person" , become a corporation, and screw the American taxpayer even more than B.P. ...so long as they are not green. Well it depends on what shade of green we are talking bout here.

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Contact with aliens could be risky, Hawking says Posted: 6/27/2010 7:23:00 PM
I can understand how everyone could get all warm and fuzzy thinking that alien contacts would be so totally altruistic and would come all that way just to save little ol' us. Why they would give us all the technology to save us and elevate us to their level at no cost to us. How neato would that be?

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Contact with aliens could be risky, Hawking says Posted: 6/27/2010 8:22:14 AM
It's likely that extra-terrestrials would treat us in a similar way to how we would treat them if the situation were reversed and we went to their planet. ie Spaniards meeting the Aztecs, how europeans treated aboriginals on nearly every continent etc etc etc

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Would you support a neutral language movement? Posted: 3/5/2010 11:41:50 PM
I'd prefer non hyphenated people to gender neutral ones. Funny how they try to remove gender but race,colour and nationality seem alive an well in designations. Got to keep those race cards in the deck don't we?

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Using shipping containers for housing in quake zones? Posted: 3/1/2010 11:42:15 AM
Since Haiti is one of the poorest countries on earth, I doubt that the population now homeless suffered the loss of their ocean side condos. Would rebuilding tin sheds be preferable to these containers for shelters? Get them healthcare, food, clean water and shelter and at least you have some kind of decent starting point to get them back to where they were which wasn't all that great to begin with.

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The Pandemic That Wasn't - What Have We learned ? Posted: 3/1/2010 11:23:16 AM
I don't think that one needs to be actually paranoid about big pharma. The real lession here is that people have to learn to look into things and think for themselves and not participate in the lemming migrations. Question authority always. You might not always come to the right conclusion but at least it was YOUR conclusion and not a prepackaged one like what they try to feed to everyone else. Only mankind would devise an information superhighway and still have the masses falling for every scam that comes along.

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The Pandemic That Wasn't - What Have We learned ? Posted: 1/28/2010 5:40:08 PM
This is not the age of aquarius, it is the age of cynicism. Those who don't think and ask questions are usually too busy being scared. Those scare tactics had everyone kneejerking all over the place. My general rule of thumb is that if some "threat" has a lot of people poised to make scads of money behind it then it is easy to see that it is a scam. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it is probably a duck I'll leave it to anyone interested in the concept to apply this to any of a number of current social and global fears.

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New missing link but still they don't believe in Bigfoot Posted: 10/2/2009 6:30:22 AM
My guess that with all the hoaxes over the years, reputable scientists wouldn't want to touch this with a 3 metre pole. Same goes for your lake monsters, goat suckers, mothmen,living dinosaurs etc etc etc. When you mix attention seeking with any type of research, what could possibly go wrong?

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World Health Organisation accused of bioterrorism Posted: 7/26/2009 9:07:41 AM
There's no need to kill of the inhabitants of a given third world country to take over their resources. Get them hopelessly indebted then trade access to said resources by trading off the debt. That is the way of the International Monetary Fund. Many of third world nations are more than happy to kill of their own people or enslave them in poverty. You certainly don't need a world health organization to do that.

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21st Century,Black American President, and we still have this.. Posted: 7/20/2009 1:01:27 PM
The more that things change, the more they stay the same. The biggest misconception of this or any other time is that we are more sophisticated and advanced that previous generations. The veneer of civility is only microns thick.

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Strange liberal demographic of my film group... WHY? Posted: 7/5/2009 12:41:36 PM
Just goes to show how some people are overly sensitive about their sacred cows. Particularly if they happen to be one of them. I can't figure out why this topic went sideways. It started out fairly interesting. I guess that some people have to flail wildly like a myopic wombat to feel important.

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when does the soul enter the baby ?, Posted: 4/12/2009 11:02:03 AM
So rather than being contrary and argumentative, do you have anything to actually add to the discussion? I am just curious. Expressing an idea towards a complex is somewhat more difficult than to slam someone who at least gives it a shot. I have a pretty good idea of the way you prefer to participate. That's fine and good but it is worse that simply saying that god or aliens dun it ! Cloning can be done which since it creates life, replicates the life process. We are talking about an energy that fuels a life process not a couple of artificial cells. Well at least I am. I steadfastly refuse to believe that the soul is something bestowed in humans by god or whatever. It is something that is inherent in the design. Animals have been believed to not have souls but they have a living process. Maybe the more complex functioning (not in all cases) of the human brain brings something extra into the equation. Animals may have a lesser soul because their sentience is not as complex. Maybe that spark of life coupled with our more complex self awareness is the soul.

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Does God exist? Posted: 4/12/2009 9:35:10 AM
What accuracy is in the bible? It contains some truths but it also says the same things that appear in the dogma of other religions. God didn't write the bible, people did and they drew on bits and pieces of other beliefs. It is basically a hackjob. The story of jesus is nearly the same as the story about abraham, it reads like an earlier version of the story of christ before a couple re-writes.

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What is Owed? Posted: 4/12/2009 9:28:20 AM
I have news for you; 'rights' never meant 'entitled to keep your goodies just because you acquired them'. If more people adopt the same belief then we all had better get used to living in a socialist hellhole.

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when does the soul enter the baby ?, Posted: 4/12/2009 9:24:52 AM
It is energy. A combination of chemical and electrical impulses that manages to generate a more or less self contained "self". nice theory but they still haven't been able to do that in a lab ... even on the smallest level. Until then ... its still science fiction. There is no chemical or electrical activity in the human body? I hope you aren't serious. As for it not being produced in a lab. If something isn't produced artificially doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. As for the energy comment. How much use do you get out of a battery when it's energy is depleted? In a car, if the engine is dead the battery can still be fine but when a person dies the energy goes out as well. My use of the term universal law might have been a mistake but the concept in my opinion is sound. Perhaps being a self generated power source the system might be slightly different than something in an engineer's lab? Organic processes versus something cobbled together in a garage.

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Ridiculous, Idiotic Religion threads in Science/Philosophy -WHY Posted: 4/12/2009 1:50:08 AM
So it seems that theology is plagiarism. They swiped all the material for the good book a millennia before copyright laws existed. Good thinking. I guess that at the time it would have made sense to include crumbs of beliefs the people were familiar with along with a scrap or two of new material. How they keep managing to sell it is what I don't understand.

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Does God exist? Posted: 4/11/2009 9:59:31 PM
Yes god loves us so much that if we make a few mistakes, he wil put you in a place where you will suffer forever. Except for catholics. They can confess and get the slate wiped clean. No wonder it is such a popular cult.

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when does the soul enter the baby ?, Posted: 4/11/2009 9:54:02 PM
Stem cells won't become another person on their own. Scientific manipulation is required. Not sure what you are asking. I spoke of seeing the spark of life going out. Cells deteriorate after death. Given the proper conditions you could make a new copy of a person but whether a clone is actually the same person as their original is another topic entirely. I just don't see the spark of life as what is generally considered a soul that goes off to paradise or punishment after death. It is energy. A combination of chemical and electrical impulses that manages to generate a more or less self contained "self". When the system breaks down or wears out it's lights out. Not sure how clones enters into it though. However a clone would be technically an extension of the body's existence but it wouldn't be an extension of the personality. The clone would be someone else. I think that even if the clone were raised exactly the same, it would be a different person. The idea that the wiring in the brain would be exactly the same is doubtful.

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Does God exist? Posted: 4/11/2009 9:32:57 PM
Thing is if God exists then so does the Devil. I'd go one more step and say that if god doesn't exist then the devil doesn't either. All that is left is the crazy,evil and downright stupid things that people do. Only they wouldn't have anyone to blame but themselves. On the other hand, people also do some incredibly wonderful things. Maybe that should be accredited to the them too and not some outside influence. It might be best if credit was given where it is due. Remember that in the garden of eden, the fruit of the tree of knowledge was prohibited by god. It was the devil who got adam and eve to sample the fruit. This is allegory of course but it could be construed as representing god as a being anti knowledge and the devil as being a purveyor of truth. The devil representing knowledge is considered evil? Why a deity would instill a curiosity and capability to learn into man then prohibit the exercising of that trait is a bit of a mystery.

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when does the soul enter the baby ?, Posted: 4/11/2009 9:19:23 PM
If the soul is the "spark of life" then the answer is obvious. Seems that a topic of a discussion like this one is to discuss when is a person a person really. Presumably to try to pin down when is it not a terrible thing to end that life-abortion. Point is that abortion is wrong. It is often a direct result of not taking initial responsibility in preventing an unwanted pregnancy. I personally think that the soul IS the spark of life. I have been present at several deaths and you can see the spark go. Where the spark goes afterward is another topic of course but if that energy follows any universal law of energy, when it goes out it is just gone.

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What if our egos died? Posted: 4/11/2009 8:56:18 PM
Hate is what fills the space that is empty of love. I don't think it really is the opposite of love it just seeps in to occupy the space where love ought to be. Even emotion abhors a vacuum. That space has to have something in it. Abolishing hate would be like abolishing nosepicking. You wouldn't see anyone doing it anymore but the ones prone to doing it will still sneak off and guiltily mine those booger nuggets.

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What is Owed? Posted: 4/11/2009 8:46:21 PM
If society provides a good living to people then how little responsibility belongs to them? Oh go out and make a huge mess, Nanny will clean it up and take care of everything. I could answer quickly and say that nobody owes anyone anything and that includes society as a whole. Having a prof demonstrate such a blatant looney liberal belief explains at least in part problems with the higher educational system. He should be made to listen to Joan Baez albums until his ears start to bleed. At least that disturbed woman who reproduces like a farm animal can make a few bucks on televisions freakshow circuit. At least until her alloted fifteen minutes are up. Unfortunately the kids might not turn out so well. I think that ultimately they are the real victims here and they are as innocent as anyone could be. Maybe the mom owes the kids and should have been more responsible herself instead of expecting society to be responsible for her and the brood.

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Ridiculous, Idiotic Religion threads in Science/Philosophy -WHY Posted: 4/11/2009 8:33:58 PM
Have to admire someone who can introduce Frank Zappa into this discussion. However, one must be careful hurling the truth around like that. Someone might be struck in the head and rendered conscious. (Joe's Garage playing in the background) I'm just reckless, what can I say?

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Ridiculous, Idiotic Religion threads in Science/Philosophy -WHY Posted: 4/11/2009 4:35:32 AM
Logic is part of the process of finding the truth of things. Faith is accepting any explanation for why things are the way they are. Science acknowledges that the truth is out there, faith states that the truth is in a religious text. Religion is known to support suppressing science and has attacked it. Obviously they would prefer people to remain ignorant. With many innovations like improving food production and even household comforts, science has improved the lives of many many people. Whereas religion is often vague and subject to interpretation and has also been the cause of considerable bloodshed and often for no other reason than religious differences. I don't think that many physicists have hacked each other to pieces for differences of opinion.

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Ridiculous, Idiotic Religion threads in Science/Philosophy -WHY Posted: 4/11/2009 3:07:54 AM
Frank Zappa said that rock journalism consists of people who can't write who interview people who can't think to be read by people who can't read. I think that if Frank were alive he would consider substituting the words internet forums in that statement and he would be just as accurate. Any participants in threads that try to inject any form of logic into the discussion can understand the sentiment. People who think that faith is a substitute belief for fact won't budge an inch and those who demand proof are inevitably left wanting. Religion seems to be for people whose explanation for what things are the way they is that god made it that way. Whereas other people are somewhat unsatisfied with that explanation. It seems inevitable that the two groups are going to rub one another the wrong way.

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Prophesies and Predictions Posted: 4/11/2009 2:46:18 AM
I'd predict that with a few minor changes , the status quo will grind on. Because as you know, the more that things change the more they stay the same. It will doubtless become increasingly difficult to justify the continuation of course but that doesn't mean that it won't continue regardless.

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Capitalism and Democracy are not synonymous Posted: 4/10/2009 6:32:33 AM
Don't forget that there was american investment in germany at that time. Just like democracy can turn to a fascist regime, capitalism can go horribly wrong. Checks and balances are only of any use if you implement them before it happens.

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Capitalism and Democracy are not synonymous Posted: 4/10/2009 6:14:00 AM
Any system of government has it's good points and bad. It depends more on who is running the store than what's on the shelves. Corruption is the real enemy of the state and any form of government is prone to it. I think that people have to take more responsibility to ensure that corruption and totalitarianism doesn't subvert their political state no matter what it is. Just voting every four years is not enough you have to demand better government.

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What if our egos died? Posted: 4/10/2009 6:04:43 AM
With all that has been said, I am not sure that ego is such a bad thing anyway. I mean other than pop stars that think that they are god's gift and some vastly overpaid big league athletes most people's egos are of a manageable size. A little humility now and then wouldn't be a bad thing if for no other reason than to make sure our heads don't get too big to fit through the door. I think that the idea of a selfless society comes from the nanny state mentality where people expect the government or fellow citizens to come to their aid at any given crisis. A society can work just fine with a strong sense of individuality and a strong sense of self whereas I am convinced that an opposite world would be hell on earth. The old cliche about "thinking outside the box" where innovation thrives is preferable to sitting around a campfire singing kumbaya with an assortment of "kindred souls".

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Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory? Posted: 4/10/2009 4:39:15 AM
I don't think that you would argue against the fact that the universe is in motion, it is not static in space. The foundation of the big bang theory is simply that if the universe is in motion then something must have put it into motion at some point on the first place. Does that not seem a reasonable idea? A tremendous explosion would fit the bill nicely. Whereas the idea that superior beings that came a mindboggling distance to our blue green planet just to plant the seeds of life is not quite as logical. Oh and don't worry, if you were to subscribe to the big bang theory, it could spawn a similar thread running 34+ pages arguing over whether gid was playing with celestial firecrackers at the time of the big bang or it was a natural if mysterious occurance. I like my share of science fiction don't get me wrong but when the topic is origins of the universe, I'd rather start with the plausible explanations leaving out the fiction.

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Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory? Posted: 4/9/2009 3:19:09 PM
True, any theory that relies on that many possibilities, perhaps's and maybes seems like something best left to sci fi writers and not circular forum discussions. The idea that there are other more advanced life in the universe is a big enough stretch as it is without going one step further and speculating whether those sentients have nothing better to do that buzz planets with a lower forms of life and conduct million year long science experiments. True we as a species are explorers and it cold conceivably follow that other species if they do exist could also be explorers but then the vast distances do enter the picture and it just doesn't make sense

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Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory? Posted: 4/9/2009 1:49:07 PM
Would it not be safe to assume that if highly advanced lifeforms exist in other parts of the cosmos that they just might have something more important to do than to muck about with our genes? There is high number of planets in the universe that could conceivably support life (theoretically). Would it make sense that a species would travel lightyears just to bless us with sentience when it would be highly likely that an equally suitable planet might be closer to where the the "creators" come from? So either a) there aren't a large number of planets capable of supporting life in the universe or b) the theory contained in the topic of this thread is b.s. Pick one.

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What if our egos died? Posted: 4/9/2009 1:37:05 PM
So the question remains, what is left after sloughing off our ego? If the ego and self image are mutually exclusive would we be virtual automatons without it? Self image is a part of personality. Wipe it all clean and what if anything is left? Maybe the question should be about suppressing ego and not discarding it entirely (which I think is impossible with a sentient being).

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What if our egos died? Posted: 4/9/2009 9:56:15 AM
I often wonder if ego is a component of our self image. I think that it is but that begs the question, can a thinking feeling creature manage without a sense of self? Or more to the point can the ego be diminished or done away with and still maintain a self image? Most of our perceptions are an illusion based on a status quo if the status quo changes the illusion is more apparent. I think that insecurities are based on how much a person needs to project a particular image to others and a threat to that is not going to produce much that is positive. Ego is a self generated illusion and the insecure must be very protective of that particular illusion. It si the person behind the illusion that matters not the outer form or function.

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Prophesies and Predictions Posted: 4/8/2009 7:29:48 PM
So when the soul group The Fifth Dimension recorded the song Age Of Aquarius back in the late 60's they were a little premature? Finding connections and patterns rarely prove to be true revelations. Well other than the striking revelation that the person finding said connections and patterns appears to have wayyyyyy too much time on their hands and should get out of the house more often.

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Prophesies and Predictions Posted: 4/8/2009 6:18:36 AM
I predict that the poor will get poorer and the rich will get richer like it has always been but with a new wrinkle, there will be a hell of a lot more poor. The unrest in the middle east will continue until the end of human life because religion will still cause people to hate others whose idea of god is slightly different than theirs. Aside from a few editorial differences their religious texts all say virtually the same thing anyway and all the devout don't live up to the the convictions of their faith regardless so why bother with the whole thing in the first place? People will come up with doom and gloom prediction concerning something refered to as the last days. If we ever do come into those last days, the great unwashed would most certainly be the last to hear about it until the final hour or two anyway. Being concerned about it seems a waste of time when you think about it not that many people seem to think about it in that way. ......... and last but not least chuckle the more problems that we do manage to solve will only be replaced but different and bigger ones. Particularly social solutions which have the innate capacity to replace old problems with new ones. Thus insuring job security for sociologists and social workers. Not to mention providing campaign platforms for aspiring political leaders. "It still hasn't gotten weird enough for me."

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Humans created by Aliens: Plausible theory? Posted: 4/8/2009 6:03:01 AM
But what if an older species of aliens made the aliens that could live in Pleiades cluster or in the vicinity of vega? Thought the topic was a little stale and wanted to bring in the old chicken and egg angle. Makes me wonder why people like to speculate about whether or not we were genetically engineered by aliens. Does it mean that after abandoning religion these people still have to have some sort of substitute? Religion and this topic have one thing in common, believers take it on faith and get all pissy at anyone who tries to tell what nutcases they are. I prefer science fiction in a movie or a book myself. As for all the material that "supports" the theory that we are a millions of years long genetics experiment, don't believe everything you read or head and half of what you see. Suspension of disbelief is for watching movies not forming a view of reality.

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Why should I believe in aliens? Posted: 3/29/2009 10:16:27 PM
Actually you didn't pick up on it but I was speaking from the mentality standpoint of the true believers. Perhaps your sarcasm meter is set too low to detect it. It just seems that people have given up on religion as a means of salvation and look to the stars for some savior race to come and save us instead. Don't look at me chum, I don't believe in any of this alien hooey. I think that if an alien race has nothing better to do than to anal probe hillbillies on earth and be voyeurs in the intimate details of we mere human beings, they couldn't be a whole lot more advanced if that is all they have to do with their enlightened minds.

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Why should I believe in aliens? Posted: 3/29/2009 1:18:51 PM
Anatomy of a delusion. Lifeforms that exist on other planets are always much more advanced than we are and almost certainly much more benevolent than we are. So mankind is evil and needs some advanced species to travel trillions of miles through space to come and fix our problems and help us become more advanced like they are. What are the odds that another species with the wherewithall to travel through space with the same ease as we drive to the neighbourhood Walmart will have the enormous generosity to fix all our problems and make us all better people? Damned slim odds if you ask me. Besides, if they find out anything about our religion, they will hear about a guy who was supposed to be the child of our precious god who came to earth and wanted us all to be nice to each other and be better people and we nailed him to a cross. I'd think that wouldn't be much incentive to stop at this planet and to keep going looking for intelligent life in our universe. (Good luck with that fellas)

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