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tallskier

Joined: 5/20/2005

Msg: 322 (view)

Concealed Carry Laws in Cities / Suburbs = Terrible Idea Posted: 4/30/2009 12:23:03 PM
If too many people are being killed by negligent operation of cars, then we either have the political will to make the cars and driving regulations safer, or we don't. But if we don't, that doesn't mean we have no right to reduce other threats if the political will is there. Well, since automobile deaths outnumber firearms deaths by about 3 to 1, perhaps you should focus on that!

tallskier

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gun control in the usa Posted: 4/3/2009 10:13:10 AM
It's kind of a self selecting group. With extremely rare exceptions, the act of buying a weapon like this defines one as a nutbar. So, anyone who buys a handgun or an "assault weapon" (do you have any ide what that even IS?) is a "nutbar"? You're dancing away from my challenge to your specious claim of "free access". Every person who repeats the slogan, "Guns don't kill, people do" is making that claim So you have decreed, Ace - a decree not supported in any way by logic or fact.

tallskier

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Msg: 2447 (view)

gun control in the usa Posted: 4/3/2009 8:07:14 AM
You let any nutbar who wants to buy an assault rifle or handgun free access. Where did you get this? This is not factually correct according to federal law. You cannot legally purchase a firearm without a federal background check. To claim that guns are not dangerous also without evidence, and in the face of such correlations, goes beyond being unfounded and borders on lying. Who made such a claim, Ace? Why not argue against the things I have not said, instead of making false implications? I happen to agree with you that access alone doesn't account for the difference--because in Switzerland and in will-issue states the incidence of random shootings is also quite low. In those locales, there is also a required training component, which I believe accounts for the observed difference. The training to which you refer in "shall issue" states is required only for the concealed carry permit.

tallskier

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Msg: 2444 (view)

gun control in the usa Posted: 4/2/2009 12:32:37 PM
Remember a while back when you were beating me up right an left for not citing evidence? So the moment I do you say it isn't relevant. Learn the difference between correlation and causation. You have provided some evidence (by merely making a claim that you backed with no factual references) that crime is lower in other countries where there are more restrictive gun laws. Even if your claim is factual, it does not prove that the restrictive gun laws are responsible for the lower crime rate, only that there appears to be a correlation between restrictive laws and lower crime rates. To claim that the restrictive gun laws are responsible for the lower crime rates, without examining other factors, is not being intellectually honest. I'll leave the personal attacks to you.

tallskier

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Msg: 2439 (view)

gun control in the usa Posted: 4/1/2009 2:24:42 PM
If you want to argue that restricting access won't work, you can't ignore the evidence that in countries where access is restricted the per capita incidence of such incidents is far less. And of course that is the only relevant factor, right? Other than the restrictions on access, all those other countries are just like the US, right? Same society, same legal system? Dream on.

tallskier

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Obama passing new law to allow searching of PC's, Laptops, and media devices Posted: 3/31/2009 1:23:41 PM
Tell me, how does the President of the United States pass a law?

tallskier

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Msg: 262 (view)

Why do people try and live off of minimum wage? Posted: 3/30/2009 2:53:36 PM
While the middle class owns less then 40% of the resources, yet pay 80% of the taxes, How is this fair? Were did you find this "fact", Mad magazine?? ry doing some research,rather than being a parrot.

tallskier

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The publican's alternative budget is a huge joke Posted: 3/30/2009 2:50:05 PM
...but I'm coming to the conclusion that "capitalism" is truly dead. It's been replaced by legalized theft, extortion, highway robbery and all other manner of schemes by which one select group of people avails themselves to funds which they didn't earn, have no moral claim to (by way of working for...other than planning the heist!) This sounds like an apt description of the Obama administration and the Democratic Congress.

tallskier

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Msg: 75 (view)

The New America Posted: 3/30/2009 2:42:09 PM
Yes wake up from your fantasy,(and my nightmare) and understand that a Government big enough and powerful enough to give us all of these things, can just as easily take them away once we become completely dependent on it and have no way to provide for ourselves any longer. Indeed! As Ben Franklin said: Those who trade some essential liberty to gain some safety will have neither. The New America is indeed coming. If we don't play close attention and act, most of us will not like it

tallskier

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Msg: 2431 (view)

gun control in the usa Posted: 3/30/2009 2:38:40 PM
There is a difference between infringement and reasonable regulation, and as long as gun owners claim their rights without discussing their responsibilities, there will be a backlash. For example, your shouts of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" sound pretty damn childish in the face of this morning's tragedy. You seem to wish to ignore the responsibility of the individual and blame the gun. For example, your shouts of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" sound pretty damn childish in the face of this morning's tragedy. Your calling this childish sounds pretty ignorant of history and the writings of the Founders.

tallskier

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An ACTUAL solution to the economic problems.... Posted: 3/18/2009 3:40:28 PM
The cause for our current economic woes is the collective greed of the large multinational financial institutions. All of them? You're painting with a rather broad brush, and also seem to forget that Congress had quite a bit to do with it.

tallskier

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Nancy Pelosi slams law inforcement on ILLEGAL immigration Posted: 3/18/2009 3:39:03 PM
They usually do the jobs no american will do anyways for half the pay There are no jobs Americans won't do. There are, however, jobs that employers don't want to pay Americans to do.

tallskier

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Msg: 49 (view)

President Obama and Marijuana Reform Posted: 3/13/2009 3:11:11 PM
I simply do not understand the position that marijuana is addictive. Nor does science, at least for part of it. Pot is not physically addictive, but is thought to be psychologically addictive or some. People who want to make the claim that pot is physically addictive really need to go do some research. It is extremely important not to lie about drugs of any kind. When young people figure out they have been lied to, even the honest advice that has been offered is likely to be ignored. Anyone who thinks legalizing weed would cause more problems than promise is lying to themselves because there is alot of money spent by the government to fight these super violent potheads and jail them whereas the government could be making a killing off weed taxes. Super violent potheads? :laugh:

tallskier

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Msg: 57 (view)

If you make less than $250,000. in one year .......... Posted: 3/13/2009 2:37:53 PM
If it were an increase you may be right about that. But, this isn't an increase. This is allowing the sunset of the false and unjustified reduction of taxes on large corporations to go away. Restoring the tax rate to what they should have been paying. Not increasing it. Saying it is being increased is just another Republican lie. What an incredible bit of mental masturbation. Taxes are going to go up. To anyone with sense, that is a tax increase.

tallskier

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Msg: 236 (view)

How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 3/13/2009 12:59:29 PM
Obama made it clear during his campaign he would not tolerate pork filled bills,but yet he is doing exactly the opposite. That was the campaign, now we have to deal with the reality.

tallskier

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would Bush and the republicans have gotten away with this??? Posted: 3/13/2009 12:56:13 PM
No, no, no.....Limbaugh never said he wanted AMERICA to fail....he said he wanted Obama to fail. How dare you attempt to introduce actual facts into the discussion? I personally think that if Obama succeeds...America fails. I think this is what Rush was referring to... I agree on both counts. ....could someone PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE start with the whole "earmarks" thing and explain Obama to me....if you can....I PROMISE i will listen.....he campaigned on the fact that he would END...END...earmarks.....I will gladly concede that a portion of the earmarks belong to GOP congressmen. But, how do you say....I'm gonna end it and then implement the most radical fiscal legislation EVER in the US? Obama got elected by making a bunch of promises. He said what people wanted to hear. Never mind the fact that anyone with a shred of knowledge about how our government works knew the many of the promises were not workable.

tallskier

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Msg: 193 (view)

Uphold the constitution? Posted: 3/9/2009 3:33:58 PM
See it's treatment of blacks and women. Do tell, Charles, what DOES the constitution say about black and women?

tallskier

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The New America Posted: 3/9/2009 3:26:58 PM
We need the government to subsidize and make sure all envestments are secure. We cant have "greedy" people out there taking all the money and running. That is not investment, that is saving. Investment entails risk. You're suggesting that every investment should be risk-free. Such investments will have a very low rate of return. Everywhere we look we see that most people think the government should fix things, so its time to get rid of their silly ideas. Yes, let's get rid of the silly idea that government can and should fix everything. Too many people dont like that word. So we need to change that one and make it a new word. 1984, here we are. Orwell would be proud of you. On second thought, I think he'd be appalled. it seems you haven't read his book. After all, America is already socialistic to some degree. There are enough social programs that we have no room to make cries against socialism. Too much socialism. More is not always better.

tallskier

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would Bush and the republicans have gotten away with this??? Posted: 3/9/2009 11:36:34 AM
The company value being traded does not have to have an increase or decrease in value for it's stock to rise or fall, Wall Street is a playing field without rhyme or reason Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean is is "without rhyme or reason".

tallskier

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If you make less than $250,000. in one year .......... Posted: 2/27/2009 4:27:09 PM
Wrong ... no passing it on to the consumer. Sophmore level economics ... they can only pass the tax on with higher prices when the consumer is willing to pay higher prices. So, taxes won't get passed on to the consumer? Wanna buy a bridge?

tallskier

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Msg: 32 (view)

If you make less than $250,000. in one year .......... Posted: 2/27/2009 12:46:13 PM
... your taxes will not go up. Wouold you like to buy a bridge, or perhaps some nice dry land in the Everglades?

tallskier

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Joe The Plumber ... the great Republican hope? Posted: 2/26/2009 12:11:28 PM
Let me understand this ... the guy is a liar and totally misrepresented himself to the public (he really does not even have a plumbing license, actually never did and works "illegally" .. What is "illegal" about it? Is he required to have a license to work for a company run by man with license?

tallskier

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gun control in the usa Posted: 2/25/2009 11:42:10 AM
The militia groups certainly weren't 1st and 2nd amendment fans. Evidence, Charles? Exactly. That's what makes the denial of a gun's lethality so stupid. No more stupid than lying about what others have posted, Ace.

tallskier

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gun control in the usa Posted: 2/23/2009 11:45:24 AM
If you refuse to answer, I won't have to "insult" you. You don't have to be insulting at all, unless you don't have a rational case. Are guns lethal, benign, or somewhere in between? By themselves, benign. In the hands of a human being, potentially lethal. Get it now? Guns don't kill people, people do.

tallskier

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gun control in the usa Posted: 2/21/2009 10:56:50 AM
The implication is that guns are benign, and that it is only bad people with guns who are the problem. Unless you're a mind reader, it is the inference YOU CHOOSE TO DRAW. Good people with guns are a problem? where? Guns DON'T kill people, people DO. It's a fact, and you cannot refute it. You can call me all the names you want, insult me any way you can think of (and you've been quite creative), but you can't change the facts.

tallskier

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Msg: 2397 (view)

gun control in the usa Posted: 2/20/2009 12:47:36 PM
The only one who insults you is yourself with the mindless, meaningless sloganeering... like they actual say anything of rational value (but not surprising, most advocates for unbounded firearms possession are not able to provide an intellectually honest, rational basis for the belief). It's not mindless at all, it is factual, and you cannot refute it. If you could, surely you would provide an "intellectually honest, rational" refutation. Nice to see that you, too, must resort to lying to appear to have a point. I have never "advocated for unbounded firearms possession".

tallskier

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Msg: 2394 (view)

gun control in the usa Posted: 2/19/2009 12:00:44 PM
Guns are lethal. Admit that and we're done. Really? When was the last time a gun killed someone BY ITSELF? Fail to admit that, and you appear to be irresponsible because their lethality is simply obvious. Go ahead, keep insulting me while ignoring basic facts. That slogan is an insult to the intelligence of those who hear it, but even moreso to those who use it. It's only an insult to pseudo-intellectuals who prefer to ignore obvious facts.

tallskier

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gun control in the usa Posted: 2/17/2009 11:12:16 AM
Good luck with your agenda however you choose to pursue it. What's my "agenda" Ace? Got any idea? All I have done here is to disagree with your positions. You have made amny assumptions, apparently among them about my "agenda". You can belittle the slogan "Guns don't kill people, people do" all you want. It's not mine, I didn't invent it. You can call it silly all you want, but you have not provided one fact that refutes it. I don't care if the slogan is effective or not. YOU made the claim that it was silly, or something similar. Perhaps you should spend some effort trying to refute it, rather than trying to attack me personally.

tallskier

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Msg: 148 (view)

How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/12/2009 11:16:03 AM
It was a false high. There was no business substance to it. No real products or services being consumed. No one was buying cars, television sets, or real estate?

tallskier

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Msg: 147 (view)

How do you really feel about this large stimulus package? Posted: 2/12/2009 11:12:27 AM
The package is mostly for show and useless I'm shocked to find myself in agreement with Fireknight. The stimulus bill is a stinker, chock full of pork, and very short on real stimulus. It's so bad, they don't even want Republican congressmen to see it.

tallskier

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Msg: 30 (view)

Where Did it Go? Posted: 2/12/2009 11:10:40 AM
I think he is being as straight forward as he can be, he is not promising us a rose garden Right, that was before the election!

tallskier

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Where Did it Go? Posted: 2/11/2009 11:54:50 AM
Example, buying a home that you can't actually afford, even though you could get a loan for it. Example, misuse of personal credit (i.e. credit cards) and purchasing things when you don't actually have the necessary cash on hand. Misuse of said credit until debt outweighs actual personal worth. The banks were one cause of credit misuse due to their extension of credit to those not actual capable of its safe use. Also, the Clinton administration added to the housing problem with their plan of "Putting everyone in a home even if they don't have the money/credit to purchase one." Right, blame poor people and those that try to help poor people. Okay, let's just put blinders on and forget the real causes of this mess.

tallskier

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insane lawsuit time again Posted: 2/11/2009 11:43:25 AM
We (some of us at least) asked for this. This is what what happens when you demand that constitutional rights apply to everyone in the US, regardless of how they got here.

tallskier

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gun control in the usa Posted: 2/11/2009 11:33:33 AM
You make that claim every time you repeat that stupid slogan. You can call it "stupid" all you like. The fact remains that it is FACTUAL, and you have done NOTHING to refute it. The best you seem to be able to do is to insinuate or state outright that I have said things that I have not said. This makes your position look quite weak.

tallskier

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Msg: 2384 (view)

gun control in the usa Posted: 2/10/2009 9:09:55 AM
My evidence for training is the precedent of all those other pieces of potentially deadly equipment that we require people to train for before using. Ace, that is not evidence, it is a rationalization. If you want to claim that innocent people are not put at risk by the improper storage and operation of a gun, good luck with that! Nice of you to insinuate that I am claiming things that I am not, while you utterly fail to provide any evidence to support your own claims.

tallskier

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Concealed Carry Laws in Cities / Suburbs = Terrible Idea Posted: 2/9/2009 11:56:46 AM
When it comes to implications vs. inferences, Occam's razor applies. That is, the inference that requires the fewest number of assumptions based on the facts at hand is the most plausible. The stop making assumptions. Stop making inferences. Read what is written, not what you choose to see there. WHEN did a gun EVER kill anyone by itself? It's really that simple, Ace, stop trying to complicate it. Guns DON'T kill people, PEOPLE do.

tallskier

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Msg: 2381 (view)

gun control in the usa Posted: 2/9/2009 11:52:06 AM
I still stand by my view that universal training and a requirement to pass is an appropriate prerequisite for gun ownership. Ace, you have a right to your opinion. On the other hand, you have shown no evidence whatsoever that this will solve any problems. Where is the evidence that the training you'd like to see required will save any lives? Where is the evidence that most gun owners lack appropriate training?

tallskier

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Msg: 55 (view)

70,000 jobs lost in a day Posted: 2/9/2009 11:46:23 AM
You prefer to buy $40 billion dollars of assets from AIG a Chinese Corp, that is valued at $15 Billion? Thanks for the comic relief!

tallskier

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Msg: 155 (view)

Where is our country headed now, is this really a depression Posted: 2/3/2009 11:33:05 AM
It is all Republican Congress ever says..... give money back to the wealthy. Oh yeah... only the "wealthy" pay taxes!

tallskier

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70,000 jobs lost in a day Posted: 2/2/2009 1:55:25 PM
(Energy does disappear. Burn a gallon of gas and get back to me.) Did you sleep through physics class? Energy does not disappear. The gallon of gas you burnt in your car may be gone, but that does not mean that nay energy "disappeared".

tallskier

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gun control in the usa Posted: 2/2/2009 1:44:09 PM
Well said, totum_spirit!

tallskier

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Msg: 46 (view)

Serious Question about the economy: How do we get off fossil fuels? Posted: 1/29/2009 11:23:06 AM
John D. Rockefeller, William Randolph Hearst, paid for prohibition..Eighteenth Amendment........ killing ethanol ("the fuel of the future"Henry Ford) These are examples of "buying up patents and copyrights"? Why, cant YOU, come up with "Examples", to refute anything that YOU dont agree with ? I didn't make the claim. Someone else did. I asked them for examples. Sorry you don't like it.

tallskier

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Msg: 170 (view)

2009 plan for the economy Posted: 1/28/2009 11:33:45 AM
what i fail to understand is how giving billions to any of the above mentioned organizations will create one private sector job (because that is what we need - private sector jobs), or stimulate the economy. it appears to me that obama's only 2009 plan for the economy is to line the pockets of his supporters, or pet projects causes of his cronies. Bingo! Go to the head of the class. It's a pork bill. If you doubt it, look when much of the money is spent. Just in time to provide political advantage for the 2010 elections.

tallskier

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Msg: 140 (view)

Why should there be more redistribution of wealth? Posted: 1/26/2009 10:27:31 AM
Capitalism is the redistribution of wealth............ Really? How so? Capitalism rewards work, and rewards the creation of enterprises that supply what people want or need.

tallskier

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Serious Question about the economy: How do we get off fossil fuels? Posted: 1/26/2009 10:26:07 AM
How has the "Powers that be",..always stopped people ? By buying up Copyrights, and Patents, to curtail mass production of any major new inovation that could, and would cut into the PROFITS OF BIG OIL ! Got any examples?

tallskier

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Msg: 148 (view)

Where is our country headed now, is this really a depression Posted: 1/26/2009 10:21:57 AM
We can forgo fairness and free markets for expedience ~ the end justifying the means. Any conflict of interest be considered a casuality of war. Make perfect sense to me. Dancecard, you're ignoring the point I made. You cannot have an open biding process for an invasion that has no0t yet taken place. You might as well send the county you're about to invade a telegram warning them of the coming invasion. Strategic idiocy.

tallskier

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Msg: 162 (view)

2009 plan for the economy Posted: 1/26/2009 10:17:52 AM
What I dont like is military people get free medical and others cant. Get back to us when you're willing to do what the men and women in our armed forces do for what they are paid. Do they get a lot of benefits? Yes. Do they get fat paychecks? No.

tallskier

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Msg: 299 (view)

Barack Obama, the most Amazing cadidate4 president in decades makes a powerful speech today 3/18/08 Posted: 1/26/2009 9:41:03 AM
Another toddler needing spoon feeding. Why no censure for ad hominem attack here? These people n-e-v-e-r seem to learn how idiotic their statements are, but.... here they are....running off at the mouth. These are the kinds of posts that people make when they have no evidence. Candidates are NOT vetted by the FBI or CIA, they are vetted by their PARTY. Te FBI and CIA are controlled by the executive branch. To have them investigating candidates might well be perceived as partisan. Obama showed his ability to walk the high road, not to lower his standards to his opponents low blows, and yet still, there are those who wish to attempt discrediting his name. FCS, people, get a brain. You should try the high road yourself. Instead of belittling people who say things you disagree with, why not present evidence they are wrong? What's the matter, can't find any?

tallskier

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Msg: 141 (view)

Where is our country headed now, is this really a depression Posted: 1/23/2009 4:24:24 PM
No bid contracts. There's a reason that "no-bid" contracts were let. There were VERY few companies with adequate security clearance to even be allowed to know that there was something to bid on! Do you really think the government should have taken out newspaper ads saying "we're going to invade Iraq, who wants to bid on support and rebuilding work?"

tallskier

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Msg: 138 (view)

Where is our country headed now, is this really a depression Posted: 1/23/2009 12:31:43 PM
Cheney has hurt his back , refusing to ask anyone for help moving his gold bars! How can you post stuff like this, and expect to be taken seriously? Oh yeah... I'm in the dark. No one has shown how Cheney or Bush profited from any of this. and all this has exactly what to do with whether this is a reccession or depression? Nothing. Good point.

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