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anniesea
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Report Any Forum Violations - Click Here
Posted:
11/23/2009 5:28:36 PM
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts13445747.aspx
Redundant with
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts13094095.aspx
anniesea
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Don't you just love irony?
Posted:
11/23/2009 5:03:51 PM
if you read this on someone's profile would you be impressed?
I love my a***nal
I could be impressed, I think. It isn't everyday the owner of Arsenal Football team appears on a dating site. "My Arsenal" indeed.
This post is by way of a sort of experiment, by the way, results to be announced later if it works...
anniesea
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Report Any Forum Violations - Click Here
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11/23/2009 4:49:29 PM
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts13456946.aspx
Redundant with
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts8361047.aspx
anniesea
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Photo or percentage?
Posted:
11/22/2009 10:04:14 PM
I don't seem to have this 'percentage' feature
Click on "My Matches" and then above the basic search box you should see this:
New Search --> View Matches Based On Personality!
Click on that, you should then see percentages with the pics. Although I guess you have to have done the Chemistry Test...
I never get anyone over 90%... and a good two-thirds don't have pics anyway...
HTH
anniesea
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pens or pencils...........
Posted:
11/22/2009 4:47:34 PM
OP - what do you mean by a pen?
A fountain pen or a ballpoint or felt-tip pen?
The fountain pen requires a fine motor skill to both write with it and to fill it up, an ability to maintain a light pressure when writing to avoid nib splay - and a self-discipline that stops the ink arriving on the shirt, jumper, fingers... Have you ever faced an irate parent complaining about "ink everywhere"? That could be why pens are not used until middle juniors - if they use fountain pens nowadays. CK?
The ballpoint or felt-tip pen is, in my opinion, the work of the devil when encouraging legible and expressive handwriting. And I agree, there's not a lot of difference between a ballpoint pen and a pencil.
The felt-tip pen does, however, seem to be the instrument of choice of the Prime Minister, but from the glimpse I saw of him writing it would appear he uses a Berol Handwriting Pen, so the best of a poor but necessary choice.
anniesea
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Photo or percentage?
Posted:
11/22/2009 4:27:29 PM
From what I remember when the feature was introduced, if you are a forumite and click on posters' profiles to find out about them, the percentage match will be skewed and not worth a fig.
It's done by matching the sort of profile you click on, so a forum user won't get an accurate reading anyway.
anniesea
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driving
Posted:
11/22/2009 9:27:47 AM
the way i got taught, i was told what the system of bits and peices do to work
accellerator only provides power, not movement, the clutch decides on the movement
Isn't it funny how things spark off thoughts in one's head?
I've suddenly remembered my problems with pedal-cycle riding. When I graduated to a real grown-up bike it had Sturmey-Archer hub gears, which meant you had to stop pedalling while you changed the gear.
Then I learned to drive. Put in the clutch to "stop pedalling" while you change gear. Extension of an already-learned process. Higher gear for a more direct drive.
Then I tried to ride a bike with Derailleur gears. Oh dear. Dropped so many chains... because with those you don't stop pedalling when you change gear.
I guess my problems with Derailleur gears are similar to the OP's problems. Perhaps everybody ought to ride a hub-geared bike before learning to drive!
anniesea
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Blair loses out in European Presidency
Posted:
11/22/2009 9:08:11 AM
Anyone interested might note the Analysis programme on Radio 4 that is being repeated tonight (Sunday 22 November 2009) at 9:30, or listen to it here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00nvdgd/Analysis_Divorcing_Europe/
The Lisbon Treaty allows us to leave the EU. The programme discusses the pros and cons of leaving. It also gives a few interesting facts - such as:
* even if we leave, we would have to adopt the EU laws on standards in order to be able to trade with it - Norway, not a member, has the highest take-up of EU standards, China adopts the EU standards in order to carry on trading with the EU...
* there is a real threat of cheap holiday flights going because the cheap routes are only available because of the EU, and if we're not in it we don't get the concession.
* If we restrict our waters to our own fishing fleet, it is likely we wouldn't be able to fish elsewhere - which would be a disaster - after all the years of over-fishing. There would probably have to be a moratorium on fishing in UK waters for several years.
* there would be less opportunity for UK citizens to study, to work or to retire in the EU. [Already the French (and the Spanish, I think) have imposed a charge on those from outside France (and Spain?) who are elderly and wish to use their Health services but haven't worked in France to pay into those services.]
* the US are strong supporters of the UK remaining in Europe. What would happen to the "special" relationship (although I am not sure that is a good or a bad point to make!)?
The programme is highly recommended, the podcast says it will be available until 2099 but I fear that may be a misprint!
anniesea
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Blair loses out in European Presidency
Posted:
11/20/2009 11:09:28 AM
This country was the first to give the vote to women
Assuming you meant the vote to use in a General Election:
New Zealand, 1893 (including Maori women, although barred from standing for election.)
Finland, 1906, first country to give both the right to vote and the right to stand for election. First country to give both rights to all women regardless of wealth, race or social class.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_women's_suffrage
anniesea
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Virgin Broadband
Posted:
11/19/2009 3:55:19 PM
VM are fine if you don't mind your ISP [...] throttling the bandwidth you paid them
I'd personally never use virgin cos they restrict useage
I thought all ISPs had a Traffic Management, or Fair Use Policy. I know Sky, Orange and BT do, even on their "unlimited" packages.
VM are fine if you don't mind your ISP policing your email
Didn't the government bring in something recently about all emails having to be kept by all ISPs for 2 years, or something, for monitoring "if necessary"?
anniesea
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I think I've scared him big time, how to resolve this?
Posted:
11/19/2009 3:31:54 PM
my heart does a somersault and I go all shaky. I am ALWAYS like this when I find a guy really attractive. [...] my mouth twitching, hands shaking, face going red, brain going all fuddled, legs feeling weak
Why? That's a serious question.
IF this was so, you would be all shaky and your heart would be doing somersaults every time you went out with a guy you found attractive - and how would you cope if you ended in a LTR? All that shaking and palpitations... and the twitching mouth and the shaking hands - you can't surely continue like that all the time when you are in the company of an attractive guy?
It's nothing to do with the guy being attractive but solely with what's going on inside your head.
Do some visualisation. Think through meeting him in the corridor and saying, "Hullo". That's all you have to do. Just say, "Hullo." Say it out loud. You could even add, "How are you?" Take deep breaths and think cold, blue and ice.
Now imagine he's feeling the same way. The two of you shaking together... Hmm, perhaps not the best place to go.
All you need to do is start. If you cope better in interviews, pretend it is an interview. He can't reject you on a personal level, he doesn't know you, it's truly just the same as an interview. Your credentials are your looks, your smile, your eyes, and the way you say, "Hullo".
He doesn't know you - he can't reject you! Say, "Hullo" tomorrow. Please!
anniesea
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I think I've scared him big time, how to resolve this?
Posted:
11/19/2009 2:31:52 PM
oooh I only said to him it was the girl with the long blonde hair, you haven't got long blonde hair, yours is short
You could always try hair extensions.
How come you can talk to a cleaner about your feelings but not to the object of those feelings?
Honestly, I am a mature responsible person EXCEPT when it comes to someone I am crushing on
"Crushing on"?
You are just lusting after his looks, as you haven't even spoken to him yet. "Crushing on", for goodness sake.
SPEAK TO HIM!
You are both adults!
Because the alternative is the possibility of missing out on the love of your life...
anniesea
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driving
Posted:
11/17/2009 11:05:53 PM
If your foot reaches the bottom of the travel on the brake pedal
I did say the end of the travel, NOT reaches the floor... To move from a half-depressed throttle pedal to the brake and depress it against the resistance to full braking takes more time than a depression of the clutch
in my experience
. And I am not left-handed / -footed.
Blog on Unintentional Acceleration Syndrome:
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=715
You could also read Page 29
inter alia
here:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/research/rsrr/theme5/rsrrno109.pdf
It really isn't my idea! Just something I have read - and it is said to kill more people than using mobile 'phones while driving.
anniesea
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Father's Day - Memories of Dads No Longer With Us
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11/17/2009 10:40:28 PM
A better quote, IMO, is the last lines of Owen's poem:
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie
; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori.
Anyone else feeling something missing today?
Although the OP was specifically about Father's Day, I think about my Dad every day - he's always a missing part of my life.
I feel so sorry for my two children who's father has written himself out of their life and either doesn't care enough or is too proud to do anything to rectify the situation. I know my father won't come back. They know he could yet won't.
anniesea
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taking more reponsibility
Posted:
11/17/2009 10:21:24 PM
When regulation/government sets rules for everything, even the minutiae of what people should do and when, people tend to refer to the rule book rather than thinking for themselves. There are so many instances where idiotic decisions have been made by the book over the last ten years that I was starting to lose hope that there was anyone with a brain working for a government agency any more. I could give a thousand examples (the 2 inch open wheelie bin lid is just one!),
What is this post saying in the light of the OP asking about taking responsibility for our own actions?
The rule for the offending wheelie bin was set as the machinery needs the bin to be closed to work properly. A householder failed to keep to the rule, over-filled their bin and didn't get their bin emptied.
Instead of
taking responsibility
for "getting it wrong", the householder made a complaint, that
somehow
made it into the Press, accusing the Council workers of an idiotic decision.
The Sun's campaign over Brown's letter to Mrs Janes backfired, earning the PM a lot of sympathy himself, is it about time the Press now started being more critical in the stories they report and looking at who really was to blame in these bureaucracy v "the little people" stories? Our fault, our responsibility.
anniesea
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Census may ask individuals to disclose sexual preference
Posted:
11/16/2009 10:21:05 PM
will for the first time demand the name, sex and ages of anyone staying in householders' homes overnight
I know it says that in the Daily Telegraph, but that has been the rule since 1841, the first UK census that recorded names. It is a reason why some people appear in the censuses twice, when parents automatically listed all their children and then the grandparents looking after one of them during a visit listed the child too.
Also from the DT article:
Ann Widdecombe [...] said the question asking about sexual preferences,
although optional
, would be intrusive.
My emphasis.
anniesea
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Virgin Broadband
Posted:
11/16/2009 10:03:18 PM
How do you know that you're still on 2 Mb?
I don't want to teach my grandma to suck eggs, but you do know that the phrase is "
up to
10 Mb", don't you?
How are you measuring your speed? What time of day did you measure your speed? What does it say on your bill?
Finally, I had a feeling they were doing a roll-out of the automatic upgrade are by area - have they finished that in your area yet?
anniesea
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driving
Posted:
11/16/2009 2:52:04 PM
i think the automatic is the best.i dont panic when am driving it.
If an automatic helps you think about the road and other road users instead of the mechanics of driving, then I really don't think you need to justify your choice! But can I ask, OP, if your instructor had actually explained to you what happens when you change gear? Or were you just told to change gear at a certain speed or in certain situations?
If you don't know about the mechanics of the engine and the car do try to learn a little about them. If you understand what goes on underneath the bonnet not only will you be a better car driver, you will also be a better car buyer. And less likely to get ripped off at the garage.
if she follows annieseas ideas, learning, eventually to drive a manual will never happen! and on that subject, i really doubt the left foot is going to be any quicker getting to the brake than the right
Not my ideas! I read about it in the Daily Telegraph, Honest John's column. He does say that if you find it difficult on the road, at least use both feet when manoeuvring.
If you are a manual driver try an emergency stop sometime when either travelling at speed or acting it out on your drive with the throttle half-depressed - you were presumably taught "when in doubt, both feet out"? I'd bet a pound to a penny your left foot on the clutch will reach the end of the pedal travel before your right foot on the brake.
As I said earlier, I hated driving an automatic car - it was alright accelerating, but the gearbox seemed so sluggish to change down when slowing. I didn't like the feeling of being in the wrong gear for the speed I was travelling at, with what seemed to be no chance to immediately accelerate if in a difficult situation. OK, OK, this was a very long time ago, sometime in the early 70s... And technology has moved on, I am sure.
So I am only passing on advice I have read hoping to help the OP think about being a safer driver, I am not her instructor - but I must admit it's made some of the posters here think!
anniesea
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Edward Woodward R.I.P
Posted:
11/16/2009 10:33:54 AM
In one of those "Evening with" shows Edward Woodward told a delightful story. In one of his first headlining performances in rep, he turned up to find his name above the theatre door as E WAR OO WAR. The theatre had run out of the letter "D". In my mind he always has remained as E-war Oo-war.
I saw him on the Old Vic stage in the late 1960s as the villainous brother in "The Duchess of Malfi". He was absolutely terrifying - and terrific. I have never seen a performance such as he gave, since. The presence of evil in the auditorium was palpable and entirely believable.
At this moment of his passing, perhaps I should summon up the courage to watch "The Wicker Man" tonight as a mark of respect.
He was a great actor and I am sorry he has left this world.
anniesea
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driving
Posted:
11/15/2009 9:43:25 PM
OP, are you being taught to drive two-footed in your automatic?
Certainly hope not, that would be a stupid and pointless thing to do.
Definitely not pointless.
In a manual car, your left foot can disengage the driveshaft from the engine by depressing the clutch using your left foot. In an automatic you do not have this extra safety measure to slow down. In an emergency and in panic a driver using just his / her right foot can hit the accelerator again instead of the brake - it is difficult to move one's foot quickly enough.
This is well-known to the police; they refer to it as Unintentional Acceleration Syndrome; and it is responsible for about 120 deaths each year.
So, neither stupid nor pointless.
anniesea
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driving
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11/15/2009 3:37:32 PM
OP, are you being taught to drive two-footed in your automatic?
I suggest this might explain why it is a good idea if you aren't:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/caradvice/honestjohn/6514354/Honest-John-Unintentional-Acceleration-Syndrome.html
I prefer a manual, I have driven an automatic only once and felt so out-of-control of the car I would never willingly do it again!
anniesea
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shopping a chore or fun?
Posted:
11/15/2009 7:35:36 AM
Are you people for real? Do you really understand how destructive your behaviour really is?
Shopping is the act of making purchases.
If you are shopping for fun than you have serious problems as a human being and it is harming us all.
http://www.storyofstuff.com/
Before we condemn for the content, and not just the tone, of the posts promoting the ideas behind the film and the not-yet-released book, it might behoove us to actually consider what Annie Leonard is saying in relation to the choices we make when we shop.
Every purchase we make has a cost that, according to AL, is not reflected in the price we pay.
Firstly, we have a consumerism based on a linear model, not a circular model: basically, we take resources from the Earth, use them and then dispose of them. Replacements do not use the original resources - we extract new material - eventually, she says, we will run out of resources. We do not price according to a value of the whole Earth's resources that are finite.
We price the resources on the costs of labour to extract them and not the collateral damage we do - the cost of healthcare needed due to the labourers working with toxic materials in toxic conditions comes from the taxed wages of the labourers or not at all. The cost of cleaning up the environment during and after the extraction of the resources does not fall on the corporation but on the indigenous population.
AL says we transport resources and goods with no additional costs added for repairing the damage that transportation does to the planet.
We do not add to the price of the items the cost of disposal - except in the EU and a few other countries who require electronic and refrigeration equipment to carry a charge. (No pun intended.) We do not build items that can be repaired, we dispose and replace - with the associated costs.
We are bombarded with ads, she says, that convince us to constantly upgrade unnecessarily and create waste mountains of perfectly serviceable goods. The costs of disposal of that waste aren't part of the price we as consumers pay.
That's just from a brief reading of the notes that accompany her film, which I haven't watched, and I think that's the point the angry poster is trying to make with all the zeal of a new convert.
anniesea
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Do Forgotten Kids Deserve More?
Posted:
11/15/2009 6:21:12 AM
The process of sending destitute children either abroad or to different parts of the UK was in action in the mid-17th Century too. Just how far back does a government have to go to do this "Apologise and it makes it all better" mentality?
Mores
change, a lot of the children sent got a better life, are the government going to apologise to those they didn't send and who lived in institutions in poverty in the UK?
In my opinion, what would be far more relevant is that the Christian Brothers (who took so many of the "Home Children", as they are now known, in South Africa and Australia) admit to the abuses they inflicted on the children, apologise, and offer to compensate for and help them come to terms with the torture that they endured. And then disband in the disgrace, dishonour and impiety they should but seemingly don't feel.
If anyone wants to know more about the British Home Children, the BHC has its own website:
http://www.britishhomechildren.org/
What is sad is that any Government apology - like the apologies made to WW2 prisoners-of-war - is that it is too late for so many. The website above is dedicated to the
descendants
of the BHC.
anniesea
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hard to be single - social events
Posted:
11/15/2009 2:33:10 AM
immensely difficult without a significant other by my side
Imagine if you did have a SO by your side. What would you have done all evening? Sat and talked only to the SO? Danced only if the SO had asked you? Waited for permission from the SO to go and talk to friends / relations?
Does it get easier with time?
Think about yourself. Are you shy? A wallflower by preference? Dependent on someone else to start a conversation with a third-party?
If so, then you will never become comfortable with such gatherings, and if you insist on repeating the same behaviour then nothing will change.
my 8 year old son [...] spent the evening doing what boys do sliding on his knees on the dance floor with the other children
Hasn't he got the right idea? He didn't need a SO or even a sibling to get up, talk to strangers, throw himself around with glee on the dance floor...
I've been single 4 years
Are you still thinking of yourself as a separated / divorced person? Counting the days and months after the break-up?
You are single, you are now responsible for your own happiness, whether you wanted it or not.
Only you can change things. Learn from your son - be bold, be brave, have FUN! Just remember, there's no SO to disapprove of what you do, you're free to be what and who you want!
anniesea
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What is meant by the 'left' and 'right'?
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11/14/2009 6:03:48 AM
There's still plenty of former Marxists in the Labour party but they shed their economic and social principles in order to become electable and thus taste power.
You obviously read my original musings before I changed it in order to post a seemingly-coherent argument!!!
That argument says that yes, one does become a sheep and have one's actions and thoughts controlled by a political party, which I find somehow disquieting. If power is more important than a political principle - well, it isn't a principle then, is it?
And by changing their spots (mixed metaphors here I fear) those former Marxists sowed the seeds of their downfall as well, because as a divided Party eventually the glue fails.
It is so easy to see how cynicism occurs - grows - takes over one's outlook on politicians and thus affects the number of people who, like the OP, have a mixed orientation on the political spectrum and cannot find a ready home for their vote. If no-one stands up and says "Here I stand", why should they attract anyone's vote?
I sometimes feel it doesn't matter what one's politics are as long as one has them. It's the waiverers (like those Marxist New Labour-ites) who betray their rights of citizenship to hold the views they believe in. (Does that make sense?)
anniesea
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Contact Point
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11/14/2009 5:50:38 AM
I don't think it is quite as bad as the OP makes out.
Information held on ContactPoint
ContactPoint holds the following basic information for each child in England up until their 18th birthday:
•name, address, gender, date of birth and a unique identifying number
•name and contact details for each child's parent or carer
•contact details for services working with a child: as a minimum, educational setting (such as school) and GP practice
•contact details for other service providers where appropriate, for example health visitor or social worker; and whether a practitioner is the lead professional or has undertaken an assessment under the Common Assessment Framework (CAF). Please note these are not currently held on the system but will be added over time.
It is not held without consent:
People providing a sensitive service (defined as those in the fields of sexual health, mental health and substance abuse) are required to seek informed, explicit consent from the child or young person (and their parent or carer where appropriate) before recording their contact details on ContactPoint. Where they are recorded, only an indication of an unspecified service is visible.
Nor will it ever (?!?!?!?) hold the sort of information in the OP's scenario:
ContactPoint does not and will never hold:
•assessment or case information
•details such as birth weight, examination results, medical records, or dietary habits
•subjective information about a child, or their parents or carers.
http://www.dcsf.gov.uk/everychildmatters/strategy/deliveringservices1/contactpoint/about/contactpointabout/
One to watch maybe, but nothing to get scared about in my opinion. Just think in some of these cases where children are moved around the country by abusers to stop a track of the abuse - when registering at school the movements would show up and the education, Social Services or hospital records could be accessed easily if there was a recurrence.
anniesea
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What is meant by the 'left' and 'right'?
Posted:
11/14/2009 5:34:09 AM
I always thought Left was sinister
And therefore Dexter is right.
For those who don't watch a lot of TV (like me, I just read TV listings magazines)
Dexter is a forensic expert in blood patterns who works with the Miami Police Department. He is also a serial killer, who kills people that the police can't bring to justice.
Now try to persuade me the name wasn't a deliberate choice...
(Impressed? Latin jokes and I never learned the language!)
OP:
If you are a hardened ‘leftie’ or ‘rightie’, aren't your thoughts, actions, etc controlled by a political party, which shows a lack of independence, strength of character, open-mindedness, etc?
Unless one is a sheep, no, I don't think that one's thoughts and actions are controlled by a political party. Even Tony Blair didn't do that! He took a party and converted it to his world-view and in so doing lost the support of a lot of old-time Socialist-leaning (that's to the left, OP) party members.
anniesea
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What is meant by the 'left' and 'right'?
Posted:
11/14/2009 5:09:29 AM
http://www.politicalcompass.org/
What an interesting site!
Apart from my results (somewhere near the Dalai Lama by the looks of it,
Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.21
which is just to the right of and below the diagonal)
clicking on the UK Parties 2008 link in the sidebar gives some interesting charts and text about the UK parties. Apparently I sit right on top of the Green Party's dot. And there was me thinking I was LibDem!
It is interesting too that the majority view of the BNP would be at the top and to the right, they actually have left-wing economic principles so sit in the red square to the left.
anniesea
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JOB CENTRES
Posted:
11/12/2009 10:40:31 PM
For anyone still going through the pain of jobhunting:
went to countless interviews at my own expense
If you apply beforehand, the jobcentre can give help with travelling to interviews.
a letter staing that my jobseekers allowance would run out [...] as I had used up my NI allowance..........25 years work, and I was only worth 5 months benefits.
JSA is payable for 182 days (6 months) when based on your National Insurance record over the last two complete tax years before the year in which you claim. If the worst happened (may heaven preserve you from that fate), and you again became unemployed after the beginning of 2010, you could claim another 182 days if you had worked (for at least 6 months) or claimed throughout the new relevant tax years.
After the 182 days, if your savings are less than £16k and your income after certain disregards less than £64.30 a week, you can continue to claim JSA based on your income and not on your NI record.
I kept stating that I didn't have a landline or permanent address which threw them and their computas out completely
Shouldn't have done, we have lots of customers who only have a mobile and / or no permanent address because they are transients. We do however hope to get a correspondence address from you!
The problem is that you have to show that you have a reasonable chance of finding employment - can you be contacted quickly by an employer or by the jobcentre, and are you staying in the area or moving through and not really looking for a job in the area you claim in.
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JOB CENTRES
Posted:
11/12/2009 11:11:37 AM
The only job I have ever been asked too provide proof of passport was for an overseas job, other than that no employer has asked for either a birth certificate or passport
Since February 29, 2008, an employer, under penalty of a £5k fine
per employee
for not complying,
must
ascertain the right of
all
employees to live and work in the UK. The evidence for a UK citizen is listed in the Schedule A to the Regulations, commencing on Page 2 in this link:
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2007/uksi_20073290_en_1
you will not tick the box which asks if you have been overseas for over 6 months
Which is all fine and dandy until someone asks - as they will, believe me - as to what you were doing to survive for those 6 months. And if you say your were living off savings they will want to know what you spent the savings on - because if you cannot show they were spent solely on living expenses, you will be assumed to continue to have that money and your benefit may be affected.
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JOB CENTRES
Posted:
11/12/2009 10:16:39 AM
You dont need a passport too claim benefits
You would have needed your passport if you too had been out of the country for more than 2 or 3 weeks, as the poster wrote that he had.
And you need either your passport or your full birth certificate to take a job.
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JOB CENTRES
Posted:
11/12/2009 9:56:58 AM
I had stupidly left my passport at a friends
On your own head... Self-inflicted wounds?
they have little to no interest in what I'm getting up to while unemployed due to me being a "professional".
Some jobcentres have specialist Professional and Executive Advisors, ask if you can be referred to one.
the current situation is very different and very difficult
From both sides of the desk. When there is not much to offer, we can get as frustrated as you.
And then someone said that in the Great Depression in the 1930s the unemployment rate in the North-East (places like Jarrow) was 60%. Puts it all into a bit of perspective, doesn't it?
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What's With This Horoscope Stuff?
Posted:
11/9/2009 11:16:10 PM
Maybe we are only recently discovering the scientific truths on which the ancients built up a belief system.
Scientific fact: If you are Cancer or Leo (summer-born), you are 24% more likely to be short-sighted than the rest of the population.
Scientific fact: Short-sightedness means you are more likely to be above-average in intelligence.
Source: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070824163247.htm
Sagittarius and Aquarius people (winter-born) do not do well in school tests, tend not to stay on into further education, they earn less, are less healthy, and don't live as long as people born at other times of year.
Source: http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/parenting/winter-babies-come-from-less-privileged-families-516969/
One's life is determined to a great extent by the time of year one is born. Nothing to do with the planets, much more to do with sunlight and availability of food and the way of life of one's parents.
I am sure there are many more scientific facts out there that show the way we are is determined by the time of year we are born (although maybe the modern lifestyle is eroding those natural differences) and that is what the ancients saw - and they linked their observations to the planets and the stars when really the influence is much closer to home.
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Transgender Children
Posted:
11/7/2009 2:25:37 AM
Did they dress him in pink and give him dolls to play with? There is something very not right going on here
Oh, my goodness, I have read some sexist writings in my time but surely this takes the biscuit?
Hands up any man who owns a pink shirt or a pink tie. Does wearing it take away from your masculine identification? No. So why should a boy wearing an item of pink clothing be any different?
Hands up any parent who has given their boy an Action Man or Batman or Lego figure to play with. Aren't they all dolls too? Playing with dolls is not a feminine trait, just as tree-climbing and playing football isn't a masculine trait.
And gender dysmorphism isn't just confined to boys.
Gender identification is a major personality trait, that develops in the first 2 yrs of life, and is 'fixed' by the 3rd yr.
Source: McGraw-Hill Concise Dictionary of Modern Medicine.
As they say, it's all in the mind - but physically, in the way the brain is wired from birth and in the way it responds to neurotransmitters.
no parent in their right mind would allow an eight year old to be deconstructed and rebuilt
In the UK that isn't possible. Surgery here isn't permitted until a person is 18.
The only sane thing to do is wait until he's old enough to decide for himself.
And at what age is that? A two-year old child can differentiate between girls and boys. Should we condemn a person who knows that they are the wrong gender to go through puberty and develop all the chromosomal-induced sexual characteristics which by the age of 18 cannot be reversed? Look up the age of puberty in the UK and how it is coming down.
trend in recent years for puberty to occur much earlier than it has in the past. It is not uncommon today to find girls as young as 10 years of age, or younger beginning their menstrual cycles. This so-called precocious puberty seems to be a growing trend not only in the UK but also worldwide. In fact doctors now consider the average age worldwide for the bringing on of puberty as 8 years old. Early onset or precocious puberty has been reported in girls as young as five years old.
Medication can delay that onset and give a child time to decide where in the gender spectrum they will be happy to live.
For most of us, it is a question we will never have to deal with, but sometimes in these forums we are asked to think about what
we
would do in a certain situation. The OP asked:
Do you think a child of 8 is ready to make the decision to change sex? How would you deal with it if your child told you they wanted to change sex from boy to girl or vice versa?
Whatever our opinion of the transgender issue - is it possible to exist? Is it likely? Is it moral? - would we really deal with our own child with such condemnation?
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People are too selfish to become parents....
Posted:
11/7/2009 1:21:47 AM
The number of Down's syndrome pregnancies in England and Wales has risen sharply in the last twenty years, as
mothers choose to wait until later life to start a family.
But scientists found fewer babies are born with the condition as more women opt to abort the pregnancy.
(My emphasis)
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8327269.stm and
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8327228.stm
Why are more women waiting until their late thirties to have children? Are they enjoying their single- or double-income-no-kids lifestyles too much to think about the consequences?
Anecdotal evidence: I work with several young single mums who absolutely revel in the weekends their child is with the non-resident parent because it means they "can have a night out on the piss like they used to". Are they implying that they would prefer to be without their child?
How many older parents on here have expressed the delight they have in the fact their children have now flown the nest and they can now enjoy themselves? Did they really regret having their children as much as that implies?
On the other hand, reported in July:
Women are having more children than at any time since the 1970s, with almost one in four born to foreign mothers
Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2281883/Women-having-more-children-than-at-any-point-since-1970s.html
So there
are
more women having children - what figures did Rabbi Sachs base his comments on?
It wouldn't have been this that spurred him to comment, would it?
The number of babies born to British mothers is also increasing, but lags far behind immigrants at an average of 1.7 children each. [...] On average, foreign women have 2.5 children each, rising to almost five for those from Pakistan [...]
Source:
ibid
Maybe I'm a cynic... But religious leaders' pontifications (or does that word apply only to RCs?) always make me wonder about their motives.
I do think we are on the whole a more selfish society, with our personal rights to a pleasurable life more important to us than the good of society or even our community, and I believe that to be the Thatcher legacy, but I also believe the Rabbi has probably gone a little too far in his generalisations - look at all the young women who believe parenthood is the best thing to define their life so start early and intend to continue family traditions!
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Brainy women are less likely to marry?
Posted:
11/6/2009 11:43:16 AM
A study carried out by Aberdeen, Glasgow, Edinburgh and Bristol universities in 2005 found that the likelihood of marriage increased by 35 per cent for men for each 16 point increase in IQ, whereas for women, there was a 40 per cent drop for each 16 point rise, suggesting either that men aren't interested in clever women, or that clever women have no interest in getting married.
Question: What was the base IQ of the men? 16% of not a lot is still not a lot... (That's a half-joke.) But on the other hand, perhaps the half that's not a joke is also important. Men perform on average less well than women on IQ tests.
"Females tend to do better overall on IQ tests; they average out at about 100, while men average about 99. Also, more men are mentally retarded. But when you look at IQs at 135 and above, you see more men."
Source: http://discovermagazine.com/2005/oct/sex
(The whole article is a little out-of-date but is a good explanation of the reasons for the fact that more men appear at the extremes of the intelligence spectrum. All due to the fact that intelligence is carried on the X-chromosome. Yup, it comes from the mother... or paternal grandmother.)
Was this choice now made by women always in existence or is it a choice enabled by modern society's acceptance of the spinster managing her own income and her own life? I wonder what the figures would show if it wasn't just marriage but also long-term relationships that were counted.
What is the evolutionary advantage at play here in the OP's question about gender attitudes to intelligence? Do we seek to marry those who match our attributes
or
do we choose our mate from those equal to
and
those above our "status"?
Could it be that for the man, greater intelligence makes him a more attractive person to a woman? That would give him a larger admiring fan-base from which to make his selection of mate and so fewer higher-IQ men are left on the shelf. For a clever woman, she has to contend not only with other clever women to capture the man but also with those who are less intelligent than her. It may not be her choice to not marry...
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Ethnicity, Sex, Religion even income - all distinct on profiles - Should Politics be included?
Posted:
11/5/2009 10:06:56 PM
The 'looking for' facility only covers men OR women. Bisexuality isn't covered. (though I seem to remember once being told that it is the ONLY reason that having two profiles is acceptable to Admin?)
Admin doesn't like two profiles...
The current advice is that one rotates what one is looking for between Man and Woman week and week about if one is bisexual.
Politics as a displayed option? Hmmm. So what if someone doesn't really hold a political view? "Prefer Not to Say" has all sorts of connotations that usually are taken to mean the very worst option. Think about "Do you do Drugs?", for instance. And there are the old
mores
- never discuss religion or politics in public!
And what does one put up a a political options list? An American Democrat is to the right of our centrist Tory party, any further left in the US and you're a Communist. (They don't understand Socialist!) Where would Labour and the LibDems fit in? There are so many different variations of where the centre is in different political systems it would be a nightmare to categorise.
Isn't the purpose of this site to make contact with people? The more divisions you put up in view, the fewer options you find to make that match. And not knowing the political viewpoint at least allows something to talk about!
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LOL!
Posted:
11/5/2009 9:44:03 PM
When they wrote the old TV series Porridge they had to find an alternative for the ‘f’ word [...] so ‘naff’ was invented – and has since entered common usage.
Similarly with ‘Only Fools and Horses’ a new word was needed and ‘plonker’ was conjured up – that too is in common use.
Learn something new every day!
"Naff" has been around since the 19th century, meaning poor taste or kitsch - you know, those houses and gardens covered in Christmas lights, or garden gnomes - they're all naff, I never really realised Porridge used it as a euphemistic verb!
And "plonker" is, and has been since about WW1, the male version of "twat" - a euphemism for the penis, which language broadcast on TV is one of the reasons I never really enjoyed OFaH.
But both of those new uses show that language, especially English, evolves, changes, grows, which I think is one of the amazing things of life.
"Lol" has never entered my spoken vocabulary - the first time I heard it said, one of my sons told me it was someone "old trying to be trendy" - although it does have its use in SMS and on MSN - but pernickety me must confess to only using when I really do laugh out loud.
Perhaps when a new word arises it takes some time to establish its true meaning and usage, and at the moment people are "trying it out" to see where it fits in to their vocabulary?
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I think I picked the wrong theme by mistake
Posted:
11/3/2009 3:33:40 PM
I see the music theme...
It shows up
around
your profile if you have your screen resolution set high enough. Low resolutions with the profile block taking the whole space don't show the theme.
HTH
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pre-marital sex? your thoughts
Posted:
10/31/2009 11:36:21 AM
Very much playing devil's advocate here...
What about those ppl who don't want to get married?
Should they stay celibate forever? I don't think so!
Why ever not? A person who pledges celibacy before marriage is saying that the point of marriage is that that is where sex belongs, as part of a total union. Anything else is using (abusing) another body for one's personal gratification.
what happens if you have gone out with a girl for say a year, marry her, get her in the sack and find out shes not very good in bed?
Well, if you were both virgins, how would you know what was "good in bed" and what was not?
They say marriage is made in heaven.......but most divorces are made in the bedroom.
But if one is of a faith that advocates abstinence before marriage, then divorce isn't on the agenda either. One would have to learn to live with it just as our grandparents did. Marriage in the eyes of an abstainer isn't to be able to have sex but to join two lives together in a committed union to live life as one family.
In the words of more than one female, its now called “Try before you buy”.
But a marriage isn't a purchase, and as I said above, divorce wouldn't be a option. There isn't any going back to the shop for a refund. I wonder what that quote says about our attitude to sex and couple-dom?
I plan to have plenty more pre-marriage sex thanking you very much
Is that sex before marriage or sex without contemplating marriage at all?
Interestingly, I can put the views of the abstainers without necessarily holding those views, and writing the above has made me ask myself - what has been lost by that division of sex, procreation and marriage into separate functions in society?
Even the Puritans in the 1600s knew that people had to really know each other before marriage and would encourage the couple to sleep together beforehand (there would be a binding-board between the couple or alternatively she would wear a tight-fitting sheath on her lower body to inhibit actual sexual intercourse) in order to allow them to assess their total commitment - and give them privacy to talk and canoodle.
The OP asked if saying no to pre-marital sex was relevant in today's modern society. I don't think it is relevant, but I wonder if it wouldn't be such a bad thing if saying no to "sex-without-marriage-in-mind"
was
made relevant - not through the
diktat
of a particular faith, but as a way of making marriage itself - especially when there are children - more of a lifetime commitment based on a long period of getting to know the other person and oneself before entering into it and not a ceremony one goes through knowing that there is an easy way out if one has made a mistake.
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pre-marital sex? your thoughts
Posted:
10/31/2009 4:13:56 AM
Certain religious sects particularly Christian, believe the the virginity of the daughter should be taken by the father, do they have the right?
Wrong end of stick! Msg 15 got it right.
Daughters pledge their virginity to their father,
not
that the father takes away their virginity!
Use a search engine for "purity ball" for some background.
Wikipedia says this:
A purity ball (also known as a father-daughter purity ball or purity wedding) is a formal event attended by fathers and their daughters. Purity balls promote virginity until marriage for teenage girls, and are often closely associated with U.S. Christian churches, particularly fundamentalist churches. Typically, daughters who attend make a virginity pledge; a pledge to remain sexually abstinent until marriage. Fathers who attend pledge to protect what they view as their young daughters' purity of mind, body, and soul. Proponents promote a strong father-daughter relationship as a means to affirm what they consider to constitute spiritual and physical purity.
HTH
Note to self: It doesn't say anything about preserving virginity in young men...
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pre-marital sex? your thoughts
Posted:
10/31/2009 1:27:58 AM
How relevant in today’s modern society is remaining a virgin until the wedding night?
Didn’t modern society begin with Carl Djerassi in 1951? Women’s Libbers had nothing to do with it – they were just expressing the newly-possible moral code and “religious society” is still struggling to catch up.
Before 1951, marriage was the setting up of a committed union that sought its final fulfilment in having children. That is what distinguished it from sexual liaisons in prostitution, affairs or what we would now call FwB relationships. Sex within a marriage was open to the possibility of pregnancy and the consideration of that and the implications for the woman expressed the love and respect in the marriage. It meant that marriage was acknowledged as a bodily, as well as an emotional and spirtual unity. Its purpose was to procreate and raise children in a family with both a carer and a provider in an emotionally-stable family.
When Djerassi synthesised the oral contraceptive pill in 1951 he gave women an almost-surefire way to express marital love without the fear of procreation. Suddenly sex became a separate thing from procreation. Sex became a pleasure in its own right.
The next and entirely logical consequence was that marriage was no longer a union intended for the propogation of the species but simply a more-or-less stable emotional union accompanied by regular sex, a union that had lost its need to be either permanent or heterosexual. Children became a possibility, not a natural consequence.
The contraceptive pill separated sex from procreation, it separated marriage from procreation, and all the old
mores
became irrelevant. The modern society was born. It is, in my opinion, no longer relevant in this society to remain a virgin before one’s wedding night. In my opinion it is also not relevant to actually have a wedding night...
Are religious teachings and guidance the only way of remaining innocent?
Innocent? Is this used as a euphemism for “chaste” or for “lack of knowledge”?
Religious teachings to a true believer – i.e. one who actually follows
all
the tenets of their faith, not just those that suit them – should certainly preserve the sense of shame and guilt about having premarital sex. But on the other hand, one doesn’t have to have any religious belief at all to make the decision to remain a virgin until one’s marriage.
The only way to remain “innocent” surely is to have made the personal decision to abstain from sex until married and to have the personal strength to adhere to that decision, whether from Faith or not. In “today’s modern society” that may have certain consequences, and (I would argue) especially for a woman. But one consequence
might
be that a man who respected that decision and proposed to such a woman would have shown that he didn’t view the body of the woman as merely as a tool for his gratification or for providing an illusory experience of unity with her, but was prepared to enter into a marriage with a person to whom he was prepared to give his moral obligations, his responsibilities and his bodily respect.
If you could, would you go back and not have sex before marriage?
10 years ago, I would have said, “Yes”, as then I still had a Christian faith (albeit on its dying breath) and so guilt and shame were hidden deep within my psyche about “my past” and “what I would be happy for my children to find out”. Now? No. What I would go back and change is my suffering from an outdated moral code and find out how much fun it should have been without the guilt.
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CSA Have Reared Their Ugly Head
Posted:
10/26/2009 11:12:09 PM
powers to pursue fathers for failure of payment they invented as opposed to monies which have been decided by a family court
As far as I know, CMEC and CSA respect Court Orders. They also respect good causes for not chasing the non-resident parent - especially if the break-up was due to domestic violence or if continued contact with the non-resident parent would cause emotional distress to the child(ren).
pluck a monetary value out of the air
Simple and transparent formula: 15% of net income for 1st child, 20% of net income for 2 children, 25% of net income for 3 or more children. £5 per week if the non-resident parent is on State benefits.
CSA involvement
was
mandatory if the parent with care was dependent on the State - why should "thee and me" pay when the child has TWO parents? No State benefits? No CSA compulsion unless the parent with care requested it. Now, CMEC is optional.
However, if a single parent receiving benefit does not involve CMEC when it means they can be £20 per week better off even when still on benefit, "questions within the benefit system" are certainly asked about undeclared income.
what are the inheritance rights of the child?
The same as any other inheritance right. If I choose to leave all my money to one of my children, then the other one can challenge the will, it wouldn't matter if they were estranged - although the court might want to know why in making its decision as to the validity of the will.
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Argueing Step sisters/Brothers
Posted:
10/22/2009 3:28:52 AM
Do the finances allow for taking the child and their parent out of the situation for some "quality" time? For both children?
Rather than having the new family at the table, sometimes the truth can be outed more easily within the blood family, and that may help the child come to terms with what has happened.
"Oooh this is exciting - parent has found their true love, I've got a friend," can too easily change to, "Oooh I don't like this, parent is all tied up with their true love and I am going to be left out."
Add to that the normal step-parent thing of trying to be equal to both and instead possibly ending up being perceived as nicer to the step-child, not the blood-child.
I think each half of the new family needs to take time out together - and not just now, but in the future too. Reassurance that the special relationship is still there, even if the love is shared equally with another. It must be so much harder when the children are nearly adults than when they are nearly pre-school to accept another with all their different ways.
Good luck.
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School Children and Respect for Teachers.
Posted:
10/22/2009 3:01:52 AM
I suppose the father isn't someone who has the manners to stand when a woman enters the room either, and not sit again until the woman is seated.
The Headteacher got it a bit wrong if he didn't explain that it was a mark of manners and if it was any respect, it was for the position and not for the person holding that position.
And if he really wanted to introduce the lessons of the past in respect of manners, he should have insisted on the "All Rise" for all adults, not just himself.
Someone has just lost out big time - and it isn't going to be the kid. Acting Head - but for how long?
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So, what's 'wrong' with The Daily Mail and those who read it?
Posted:
10/22/2009 2:06:31 AM
Have I got this right?
1. The Met Police "knew" Stephen Lawrence to be a drug dealer but took no action? Shame on the Met - does that make them a trustworthy body? Or was it an unprovable suspicion that therefore warrants no credence?
2. The Daily Mail ran a campaign to introduce the abolition of "double jeopardy".
(Edit after questioning tenor of post below: Should that read "The Daily Mail ran a campaign to abolish the protection afforded by the notion of "double jeopardy".? I took this information from posts above praising the Daily Mail for their campaign that brought the Criminal Justice Act 2003 into being.
The Stephen Lawrence case was a pivotal and significant one in British Legal history and the Daily Mail and Sir David English were key influencers in making it so.
I am not a Daily Mail reader. As I said - "Have I got this right?")
3. The UK signed up to the European Convention on Human Rights (which dates in itself back to 1950) which gives protection against double jeopardy. The UK however did not ratify the Protocol which allows the re-opening of any case where new or newly-discovered facts emerge, i.e. allows for abrogation of the double jeopardy principle.
4. The Criminal Justice Act 2003, which applies
only to England and Wales
, removed the double jeopardy protection that had existed since Norman times and thus allowed cases to come to re-trial if new and compelling evidence was discovered.
My conclusion is that the Daily Mail either chickened out (does it hold anti-EU principles?) or wanted credit where it didn't need to exist, and instead of calling for the ratification of the already-existing anti double jeopardy Protocol in the ECHR; a
European
piece of legislation that would have applied to the whole of the UK; chose instead to campaign for a divisive piece of legislation that makes citizens of the UK unequal.
Nice one!
So, remind me again - why should I respect the Daily Mail? (I have, by the way, nothing against its readers provided they bring a questioning mind to what they read. But that applies to any newspaper reader.)
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Being blocked for copy and pasting an introduction messege
Posted:
10/21/2009 2:11:53 AM
"no" I'm not sending messeges looking for an intimate encounter......not my style.
The big misunderstanding again!
It isn't what you put in your email but rather what the people you are contacting are looking for. The script that censors forbidden words, numbers and URLs in mails doesn't actually read what you wrote!
If
you aren't reading the profile closely enough to be able to make comment and contact on that, it
might
be that you are missing what the potential encounter is actually looking for, and that is what trips the IE filter.
Just a suggestion to consider.
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Staying for the kids.
Posted:
10/21/2009 1:20:41 AM
Let me get this straight.
Wife tells him kids are unhappy.
Did he ask the kids? Has he had contact with them on a regular and frequent basis? Has he asked if they are really unhappy because he is not there, or are they just unhappy that their mother is unhappy? If he hasn't done all of those, then how important are their views in the decisions he has made? He is caving in to her emotional pressure. If they truly are unhappy for themselves, then has he helped them try to understand why he left - or is he unable to articulate feelings?
What lessons are those kids being taught here?
Emotional blackmail is OK?
If you're unhappy and make enough fuss someone else will make it all better?
Bad things don't happen in life?
Adults tell lies and are inconstant - he said he was going but then came back?
It doesn't matter if you make a decision that isn't right - you can always go back and change it, there are no consequences?
These are two adults who apparently have not grown up enough to understand their responsibilities to their children's emotional growth.
Staying for the kids is one thing. Going back "for them" is another, and that is the one I think is totally wrong. IMO.
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Bigamy,should we care?
Posted:
10/20/2009 10:00:58 AM
As she never got divorced she wont have been able to claim half of any joint assetts so shouldnt have benifeted financially
Unless of course the husband died first. And she got far more than a "benefit payment" out of someone (times 5) who thought he was sharing with someone more important than a mistress.
She entered into a legal contract 4 times knowing that she had no legal right to do so. Put that into a business context and prison sounds about right. Of course, as she has mental issues, I hope she does get a secure unit and treatment, but on the bare facts then a custodial sentence is, in my opinion, correct.
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Forums and the media...
Posted:
10/20/2009 3:33:33 AM
I think the process goes like this:
An item makes the news because 1 person becomes aware of it and disseminates it to one or more news agencies, whose editors think it worthy of inclusion in their output. Other editors also pick it up because they too think it either a newsworthy act or a reflection of a new trend in society.
Forumites are regular news "imbibers" and hearing or reading about it in one or two places makes them formulate their opinion on the matter and, being generous people, share it on the forum within about 12 hours. A thread develops, and slides down the page.
The debate programmes in the media have to take a few days to assemble an audience with something pertinent to say and speakers who can address the topic from - preferably - opposing sides, as consensus makes boring programming.
The forumites watch or listen to the programmes and suddenly the thread makes it up to the top of the page again, and the new information from the discussion programmes gives a new slant to the opinions and new stories to add to the forum debate.
A year later a law gets passed and the thread gets revived...
Do the forums provide a good cross section of personal views ?
At each stage I think personal views change and mature, develop and become entrenched (after all, usually no-one likes to admit they might have been wrong first time round!)
Or are we just discussing/debating what some would deem as controversial topics, that the media is quite often loath to allow ?
I don't think so, I just think we have the facility to post our opinions immediately, instead of having to wait for the media to go through their necessary preparations.
Of course, sometimes knee-jerk reactions aren't always the most sensible thing to say, but at least taking outraged views in the OP stimulates debate!
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