So you are saying a narcissist mirrors who they are with? My ex bf was super romantic in the beginning of our relationship, told me he loved me, wanted to marry me, then he became disinterested, changed his tune & said he could never be in love. Then started blaming me for all my faults, telling me he couldn't be with me because I was needy, clingy, etc..

^^^^^^^ Powerful stuff going on here Ladies! Makes us understand these Narc weirdo's so much better!

Thanks Ladies

Stay away. They will destroy your life. There is no getting better for them.
This is the way they are - always and forever.

Do not feel bad for them. They are well aware of what they are and what they
do.

It is pathological.(curlygrl)

What I noticed from dating one is that they are only fairly happy when they have the upper hand emoitionally. they thrive on keeping you down so they have emotional rule. Keeping you on the egde of emotional failure seems to feed them tremendously.

Its part of feeding the need.

..He was my Prince Charming when we first me...built me up to knock me down. I did everything for him - spent time and money on him and he wanted more and more from me ..he drained me of my self esteem and I finally woke up to his constant and subtle abuse which manifested it self more and more. I noticed once I was totally "in love" with him I saw his traits worsen, to become a horrible monster! He started to distance and devalue me even more when he knew that he had my heart.

And YES! they become a drug to you.. I have NEVER taken any form of drug in my life but I find myself in a drug like state after I finally read and learned of this sociopathic Narcissistic Disorder.
On the outside he was the pillar of society..great job, house, intelligent, good looks, witty appeared generous (to some) if it meant he would get something from it. In reality he was a weak insecure creep. They are constantly in fear that they will be discovered for being the worthless @ssholes that they really are.

Alright, so we're dealing with a heavy hitter of a topic. So its only fitting that my reply will be a bit...serious, and uncomfortable. But I think NPD is simply a nicer way of saying "sociopath". To say that a sociopath has a mental/personality disorder is to invalidate the experience with a sociopath, and only serves to give them an "excuse" for there behavior. Anyone else agree here?
Charity

[Narcissists have grandiose behaviour....they have a LACK of empathy....everything is for me....they are never wrong....they are manipulative to get what they want. They need approval from others to feel good about themselves. If they don't get approval, they take it out on someone......usually a SO.....BECAUSE THE GENERAL PUBLIC CANNOT SEE THEM AT ANYTHING BUT THEIR BEST.

Sociopaths are narssists, and grandiose.....but they have no CONSCIENCE. Other humans are accomplices to help them get what they want. While the human is useful, they play the "game" the purpose of which is ALWAYS to further themselves, or obtain something they value

Dude... I seriously hope I'm wrong... but it sounds as though you are on the outs... meaning, she's looking for a kind way to end things... I could be wrong, and I hope I am... but it DOES seem that way based on what ya posted...

It usually means she may have found someone else, but doesn't want to hurt you...

What I meant was that I grow tired of the desperation in posts full of criticism and slander of those they disagree with--to the point of grasping onto whatever crap they see in 6 second soundbites on CNN.

I'm not sure how I feel about this … can we afford to do this right now?

If we could just get them to somehow bring the guilty to justice and prosecute to the fullest.
I think a good place to start would be the "Shrub" and the "C0ck" and their gang of thugs.
Let's get this done.

I'm almost convinced there is no way to resolve this... I vote we just divide the country...lol Liberals on one side, and conservatives on the other... :).

I mean seriously dont you think the N.S.A.,C.I.A,F.B.I And countless other government agencies have run checks on Obama mccain and biden and palin?

So I ask you. Is it really that easy? Do women feel happier when they know they are satisfying their man needs? If so, would you say it contributes largely to your own happiness? And last but not least, how often does a person's expectations get in the way of their own happiness?

I do not dislike Palin. McCain was wrong using her the way he did.

I don't think given the direction our country is heading, any amnesty is good thing at this time. In my area, thousands were given pink slips, many auto industry workers are losing their jobs on Dec. 23rd. As I've said before, if everything were A-OK in this country economically, then fine. But it isn't and it's going to get worse.

Why am I so quickly becoming very disillusioned with my country?

(Tomic Bomb)there will be nothing of the kind. gwb and cheney will retire in peace and comfort. they did what they had to do in a war with ideologs and B.O. will do many of the same things. this is a war against some wacked out religious fanatic people, not a country and extreme measures are the only ones likely to protect us

Oh I'm sure companies would rather employ legal citizens, they'd just have to be willing to work at as low of wages as the undocumented ones.

@ Mane...what the typical Betty Buckhead does after losing her job, is to collect unemployment for six months, without REALLY looking for another job. The illegal immigrant probably makes about the same amount of money working some menial job, that Betty collects sitting at home, eating bon bons while watching the soaps.

You know, all this talk about the illegals working and having 'stuff' had me thinking about the 'immigrant mentality' which is to make as much money as you can while you can. I thought to myself, if the illegals are working....there MUST be jobs out there.

So, if there are jobs out there that the illegals are doing, why would we not take those jobs, and deny them the opportunity to make that money that rightfully belongs to us?

The Republicans will regain the House and Senate...then the white house in 4 years .

(angelsands) Shouldn't it be better and faster if WE STOP COSUMING THE PRODUCTS THEY "PRODUCE"..?? What about if we stop buying the vegetables we buy at the grocery store...?? and the meats..?? furniture..??.. Ohhh.. wait.. NOT TO BUY THE HOUSES THEY BUILT..?? What about if WE don't hire companies that CUT our grass and maintain our HOUSES... (YEAH MR CHERTOFF..)?? What about if We don't wear the APPAREL they make... ?? What about if we don't eat the FOOD at the restaurants where they work at..?? And to take our vehicles to the shops where they work at.

Here is the perfect solution...

How bad is it?
Hmmm, the POTUS was pelted with shoes on national television today.
That can't be good... or can it?

Get a clue folks!
How much do you think it will cost to locate, detain and deport the illegals?
HELLO, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!
Cry and moan all you want, you're pissin' in the wind. You might just as well learn to live with them, they aren't going anywhere!

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As long as there is money to be made by greedy corporations who profit off the backs of illegals there will be a constant influx.

DO NOT BUY GIFT CARDS!

When the retailer goes bankrupt all you've got is a worthless piece of plastic.

If you remember when we were headed for a recession Bush said our economy was in good shape. When we were in a recession we heard that we were only headed for a recession. Now, they are saying we are in a recession. Does that really mean we are headed for or in a depression?

I think as long as people are getting their nails done in salons, we aren't close to a depression yet.

But I could be wrong.

I think women feel the same echo. Its a difficult endeavor to try to meet a man that one is interested in on this site, much like other sites. I think that many women feel many men are missing out on wonderful women that just may not look like a penthouse or playgirl pin up but are wonderful women with remarkable qualities. And not all women are looking for the $$ out of a man or a Brad Pitt. Too many generalizations by the sexes on the sexes really mess up any opportunity to make a real connection! Dont' you think??

Impeaching Bush is just going to cost taxpayer money that we don't have

I thought the only way a president could be "charged" was to impeach them? Unless we are talking about taking GW to the world court for war crimes?

does anyone here have a knowledge (Except Mane bcs mane is a BSer he just thinks everyone who comes here

where thefu......$#%^*(W%#$ are they!!none of the women on this site are to afraid to date asensitive real man like me they all want to kiss a frog and think he is going to turn into amillionaire well babes i got news for you all i am a down to earth blue collar man who broke and fought his ass off for what i have and if none o f you f#@@^&^$#@n primadonnas want to go with the real thing agentleman who can out last most guys3tines while im still working on my 1st90mins. later the hell with you all ill just go shopping or thedamn laundry mat WHO THEFU#$#%$r&*()_&%$%K NEEDSYOUps sorry to dissapoint youall but i dont have adiamond studded d..k or gold plated b...ls soWAKE UP GIRLS IAM THE REAL THING YOUR ALL LIVING INASTUPID DREAM ciao se lavee' longnlean nproud!!!!

I am just curious, when were the good economic times when no one cared about illegal immigration?

I'm thinking that it's not that people don't mind if they stick around, but unfortunately, other than doing what Hitler did (everyone must carry their papers identifying themselves at all times)

Yes there is an inability to understand Mane from your side due the same Tequila which is playing demons with you all the time that ------ one thing is providing a job to someone, another thing is selling a product. It's different ok?
if the "illegal" is coming with 2,000,000 and opens a manufacturing plant and PROVIDES jobs as opposed to when he goes and OCCUPIES a job.

Rome wasn't built in a year, little by little we are getting there.

it's like you are saying someone AKA Sorot wants those who work without documents

America let's first solve its own problem then solve the others.

Let's bring an example. do you think people in general will report if they see a poor Mexican guy painting someone else's house? No. Yes, legally he should be deported, but bcs the law is not good they don't like reporting it.

it is very economical to keep these motiviated dudes, allow them to have some sort of legal status for only to work and pay taxes and fees for that so that they don't get paid cash. May be even make a regualation and clearly define the fields where they can employed. Like it is completely legal to employ a worker whom you prove against Immigration office that due to their knowledge of some languages, and them being indispensible in some area you can't find a substitution amond USA citizens or permanent residents.

now for sure that not only me but many other similar companies will benefit tremendously if hamble, hard working Mexican guys who don't have work authorization may be allowed to work legally temporarily or other terms

legal residents or natural born citizens would have far greater abilities to survive a catastrophic financial time

///////Again, one thing is EMPLOYING those who DO NOT HAVE WORK AUTHORIZATION//////////////
///////////Another thing is SELLING SERVICES OR GOODS to those who don't have a work authorization. ///////////////

prostitution (like you Mane can's say you are selling your asssss , it's illegal

And plz stop your nonsense comments about me as if I am employing illegals

Not me. I concentrate on solutions for the problems.. It's a win-win situation.
+ Dig a moat the length of the Mexican border.
+ Send the dirt to New Orleans to raise the level of the levies.
+ Put the Florida alligators in the moat along the Mexican border.
Any other problems you would like me to solve today ?

I own my own business. So, say if I want to fumigate someone's house, and you are telling it is not OK to do that since that person doesn't have immigration papers, then are you going to pay me for the money I am losing? Let's say I will make $1,000 on that job, but your group doesn't let me do it, OK then guys, I won't do it as long as you want to pay YOURSELF for the service I am ready to provide. If you want me to be engaged in immigration affairs, I am sorry but I am not only not competent in that but also have no interest in doing it whatsoever.

then are you going to pay me for the money I am losing?

We have all these people in here complaining about how these people live ... many in one house ... and saving tons of "high-paid" wages.

Whether or not they are driving the expensive vehicles ... I highly doubt it. The vehicles cost money and are quickly repossessed if payments are not made.

They are also huge gas-guzzlers ... that costs mega bucks as well. That means less money to send back to Mexico ... right? Nah ... you're not seeing the "illegal" workers driving the expensive SUV's.

Also, Ready4some etc, is talking that they are buying nicer cars etc etc. Let me tell you one thing for sure, it is probably a sign of a showoff and low class when people spend all their money on expensive cars instead of having long term goals. I have that in my own community in SoCal. In many cities in Mexico they will starve to death but buy expensive cloths, or like here , four of them live in one bedroom apartment but drive a brand new Mercedes, it's just childish, nothing else. Also, if they can afford and like that, then why do you feel bad about it? It's their money they can spend the way they want.

And also...some states or cities or counties have made their own laws....

Hiring and renting to illegals should have a price to pay.

If we just start drying up the jobs....they will go home...

These folks have lied, cheated, stole all their lives just to survive...they dont instantly change as soon as they cross a border.

I just hope that when they start up construction again that they will hire their own countrymen instead...We as a people should be ready this time to stop the hiring of the illegals...Its just not fair to our own people...

There have been many complaints about the quality of the building that was built by these illegals...They illegals said he knew how to do the job...but he lied...(Imagine that..he lied) and they have had nothing but problems with those homes..The victims are the homeowners who are now stuck with 3rd. rate work...Bad stucco...keeps cracking...many many other problems...At least this is what I hear from my construction connections..

Is money always the most important thing? We all want to make money...but it isnt the bottom line..Its also about producing a quality product for your customer..We have really lost it here in America

Its ALL our duty to try to due something...We reaped what we sowed....we must be more involved in our government...they think no ones watching...so they just did whatever they wanted...Maybe things will be different after this terrible lesson we are all suffering thru....All this corruption has been going on for decades..It didnt just start...

USA spends so much money on idiotic Piece Corps programs, building hospitals in other countires etc etc (I am a live witness of that from my own "international" experiance) and not mentioning that 80% of San Francisco belongs to Japanese as well as 1% of the population in the USA (about 30,000 gals or dudes ) owns 35% of the national wealth. if 1 or 2 of these people decide to buy an island in Africa, again much more money goes away from here than probably from all poor Mexican guys combined and you picking on these poor hard working latinos and talking "we will suffer .... we will do this we will shoot them " instead of you yourself thinking what is wrong with your asssseeess. If you solve your own problem by seeing what is wrong with you then outside problems can be solved too.

No let's say someone is driving in that neighborhood over 60 miles per hour and potentially can hit someone, I bet he will be reported by neighbors, bcs the law that you can't drive that fast in neighborhood is a good one.

The white majority of America are stupid if you think Barack Obama is good for the USA. You're nothing but white sheep being led to the slaughter by him.

Nothing like a little race baiting before going off into conspiracy nut territory.

I never said I didn't believe anything Michael Moore said, but, there are plenty of sites that expose his "restructuring" of facts. I won't bother repeating them, but if you google it, you'll find plenty. He uses sensationalism and bends facts to support his way of thinking. There are "documentaries" and books about the "facts" he manipulates to make his facts seem to hold water. I don't consider Moore's "movies" to be documentary because often many parts of them can be disproved.

Honestly, I don't feel the republicans need to do anything except go back to the ideals they once held

I am fortunate to be an American even in these tough times, but we have developed a tear in a major financial artery and it is bleeding directly into the country next door.

So, if you lower your #3 and find the cheap but at the same time fast and hard working manual laor and lower your quote to a reasonable degree, you can sell that job

Well that's your perogative to buy into that, too. I rarely base my beliefs on anything Hannity or Limbaugh have to say without confirmation, let's just say I take them with a grain of salt (or several), same as I do Franken (three grains for him) and Moore (the whole shaker).

I tend to take what they say purely as entertainment. I actually tend to gravitate toward more towards libraterian guys like Neal Boortz (who leans toward repub but often calls them out on nonsense)

For example, many times you and I couldn't be more opposed in ideology, but on illegal immigration we are both on the same page. That doesn't mean either of us say, "Hey, he must be right about everything!!!". Just because many republicans feel that their candidate this time wasn't the right man and would continue the downslide, doesn't mean that they suddenly feel wholehearedly aligned with the democratic party. It just means they felt an area of importance (the economy) would be best served by democrats this time out. Or they feel, as I stated above, that the republican party needs some retooling

Perhaps there are those who can maintain an objective perspective whilst sexually involved with someone, but I am not amongst them. It is the foundation of friendship that carries a long-term relationship, and it is best to determine if that foundation is there before becoming sexual.

Michael Moore, Al Franken, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton (at least in the primary election), and any number of them who use the same type of fear mongering slurs and tactics that republicans are often accused of. Basically give me the name of a democrat in a heated election and I'm sure we can dig a couple Carl Rove maneuvers up. It's just a part of the game. Weather or not you like his style, it's fairly apparent it works, and not many are above using it.

I am frustrated by the fact (I am in a construction related business) that I can't legally hire a Mexican dude who is 5-3 ahout 150lb, puts the tent on his shoulder and just walks one, two story houses, and can tent 5 houses a day with his friend without aking for scuffolding and nagging, complaining like you are doing here, and will do that for $10-15 bucks an hour. You just can't find a white guy" who will do that.

So, is this good for the economy that construction related bbusinesses can't legally hire

Medical treatment, schools, government programs- the list is endless-as to just how much it cost American taxpayers already to house, feed, and educate illegals. Cali is already asking for 7 billion in relief, but number show illegals cost Cali residents 11 Billion already. Other states that have far less wealth than Cali are already teetering on bankruptcy.
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than those who are receiving all these government benefits, going to Ford or GM factory and are in "reserve" meaning they just need to show up to keep their full salary. It's about production and honest work. If these people just want to work, then I think they just need to have a paper, instead of lazy politicians and you here just talk and do nothing about it.

So, plz don't tell here they cost money to people. You better find out how much money you cost to the government up to this point. They can't claim anything, how in the world they cost anything? When I didn't have papers, what I wanted to do not to show up to any governmental organization bcs of the fear of being deported, so those who don't have papers go to the doors of government and ask for something? May be their kids for school, but kids are kids, their parents work and they get education in school.

Sean Hannity is the only living person I've EVER qheard refer to Obama as "The Messiah" if that tells a person ANYTHING!!!"