I thought everyone knew b.i.t.c.h. was just a babe in total control of herself. I guess you missed that thread.

What on earth could you object to about a woman controlling herself?

Do you think you should be in control instead?

the man who beats his wife most certainly DOES. There's no comparison.

You guys who are ****ing and moaning about marriage... it shouldn't really be your concern..

I hardly think you are overtaken with a legion of females wanting to marry you.

To be more "traditional"?

But any guy who came at me with this kind of attitude would get his D*CK broken, in short order.
Yes this does sound like controlling/abusive potential. I think your gig here is ended before it's begun, my friend.

I don't demand MEN to do anything for me.

Rock hunter...Keep that attitude for the spanish women.They'll love you.

I think you should think of moving to China instead,shortage of women and all.You 'd be doing us a favor.

What makes you think , if she isn't important, that you are?You obviously thought her comment was important enough to add your comment!

BTW, I don't care what men want. If a man can't satisfy what I want in a man, I won't give the man any chance.

Ladies take note. These are the guys who try to break us down by telling us we have a sense of entitlement whilst proudly claiming they are to be treated like a god. Can you see the hypocrisy, the game, the attack........ for what it is.

With two men here willing to admit being users

In the old days when women couldn't put a roof over their heads because men denied us access to well paid jobs, we had to take this crap. Now we don't.

And many women know this which is why so many plan not to marry. They have given up after realising how many men think like this. No wonder.

You are nothing but a contemptible beast of burden to them. Wanna marry that??

FYI Guys - I know there are naive women who will try to get along with you but it won't be anyone you would respect or want so you will never be happy and they will never be happy with you - but then you don't care about how they feel do you so....it's a vicious cycle only you can break. It is you who need to be broken. Your attitude needs to be broken so that you see women as people and yourself as a mere mortal too, not a god (as I am sure you think you are .....compared to a woman right).

Anyone think its funny the OP lists himself as a few extra lbs?

Do you assume that if you are co habitating because you are male/female you will suddenly have MORE legal rights then two same sexed people would in such a situation???

It varies state to state, but most states hold strong on this.. THUS the fight homosexual activists are making...So if it was just a matter of love, and honoring that love, then homosexual partners wouldn't be fighting so hard to gain a right you and others shun as an annoying little legal matter...

Guess you'd have to actually be female to really get how frustrating it is... :

If I was truly the 'feminist' you claim I am, (if you cannot write it correctly don't use it, don't disrespect the Holocaust btw, b/c there has never been a mass murder by gassing and genocide of men by women)

In reality, its YOU who should be selling the idea of marriage to US... considering all the benefits you reap.

I'd say women should never marry men considering what a waste most of them have become.

I'm done.

Now you know why more divorces are initiated by women.

These scenes are replayed all over American households... I'm not making this up. I have seen it with just about EVERY married woman I know... from my mother to her friends to even my married friends.

I read something that explains the reaction of a lot of bitter divorced men on this forum:

You ought to be thankful the bad times are behind you...

not blame every other woman on Earth simply because you chose to marry the wrong person for looks or some other thing that seemed like a good idea at the time.

And if I didn't fulfill my obligation as his wife? I would have internally rotted, shortly after his death, and lived day to day, knowing that I was not there when it mattered the most.

There is still such a thing as love and commitment.

I really take offense to this statement: "It's all a one-way deal, with things flowing from the man to the woman -- even after the marriage has ended."

Its not fair, its not true, and its his own fault for not marrying someone who economically brings the same amount to the table.

just as tired as he is, but somehow ends up doing 60% of the household chores.

Britt if you wonder why there is such a decline in people today and their attitudes is because the family unit does NOT seem to have much value in the least to a large portion of men...

After all sons have seen daddy leave to be with the secretary, buy the secretary new boobs, and be little his fat unattractive momma.

It is actually well known in the professional world... IE: Blue Collar jobs for the most part, that a married man is preferred OVER a single man. A married man represents stability, and having core values to stay and climb the ladder within a company, instead of jumping from job to job... LOL I know I am supposed to cite but I can't find the article I read this from...

Dad fights tooth and nail to hide his assets, because after all they are HIS, and his to be ex is a biotch, which he tells his his son what a biotch his mother is wanting all his money..

Nextthyme, you make a good point... men these days are FOOKIN' lazy as hell... in sheer hours worked, they work a LOT less than their fathers and grandfathers did.

They don't build houses with their bare hands anymore... can't remember the last time I heard of them hunting dinner...

As rock_hunter correctly alluded to above rhetorically, marriage confers no rights on the husband and obligates the woman in no way.

What type of woman makes you want more than just sex from her?

For the poster who is marvelling over all these pages with (Some) women defending their right to independence and a preference for a man who Wants (us) versus Needs us?? Whatever! - on the other hand it could be viewed as a thread full of men who are threatened by women who can survive without them! lol .. so silly ..

Change the words on a profile from "Want a man" to "Need a man"?? NO Fvk'n way!!! That's a great way for a person to set themselves up as a Target by some control freak who can't make his own sammich!!!

She is OCD; she feels this incessant need to control her environment.

She deserved to have some part of the house that she can call "her own".

I admit, I was jerk when I addressed my frustration to her. I raised my voice when I told her to get a job and buy her own toilet paper.

I just wanted to have a clear mind, a refreshed look on things, and be able to talk to her, adult to adult, and establish some terms and ground rules for both of us IF we decided to continue our relationship.

No one wants responsibilities... they just want 'rights.'

So can you please tell me your views on this please?

1.) All these 'reasons' guys are listing on here for why they don't want to get married are BULL CRAP.

YOU SHOULD ASK YOURSELF: Why should I feel bad for WANTING to get married?

Oh, and did I fail to mention? ...You deserve better.

Hope that men know were ALL not that bad!

What I mean is... like the rise in Brazilian waxing and shaving everything off... I mean... can a guy even FANTHOM how painful razer burn or an ingrown hair is down there.... all in the name of looking like a pre-pubescent fantasy?

Or anal sex. My thing is... don't ask me to do it if you won't do it. Right.

Yeah, the whole antics of 'facing the camera' stuff and angles and crap.

And the orgasms are FAKE. Not all women are screamer and yellers and flail about like they are demon possessed.

What is your perspective?

106 pages, for a simple "Yes, men actually exist who will date women with kids"?!?!

I also wanted to mention that in my opinion that a few people (you know who you are) who provide feedback on the various topics in the forum seem to be defunct of heart and feelings. I am not saying this because you do not subscribe or agree with my opinions or feelings. I would not post a topic and sincerely ask for your advice if I didn't want to hear what you have to say. I just feel like people have become cold and robotic. At times responses are judgmental and harsh. Understand I am not talking about "tough love" or constructive criticism and I prefer the cold, hard truth as a wake up call versus sugar-coated responses that will leave me blissfully ignorant. I am talking about people who take a thread and twist it into an alternate reality and make assumptions. Perhaps it is because you have been through enough games, heartache and drama to last a lifetime, so this flippant, detached attitude you exhibit is really your defense mechanism so that you will not be emotionally scared again. I am glad that works for you. Must be a wonderful life, being desensitized to all that makes life worth living - the good and the bad. You think anyone with a problem is nothing but a whiner, ****, high maintenance, living in dreamland or looking for a pity party, crutch or scapegoat to project their real problems on to. It is so much easier to just label and dismiss a person versus understanding the reason why someone is as they are. I think someone should start a thread just on some people's conduct in the forum. It is not helpful, it is hurtful, rude and unproductive. So DUH to that !

i have a question for the REAL MEN. why do men only tend to go for dating the "good looking prima donna barbie doll type?"

It doesn't always destroy your figure when u have multiple children.

Any more thoughts, from anyone?

Why would a person give at all if they expect for it? If you don't like to be dissapointed, don't offer - it's the easiest way to avoid the situation.

The feeling you get from giving should be your payoff. If you can't do that, don't do at all.

Oh but men do have other options for sex without the BS from women:.

You don't need to put up with BS from us women you can get sex from anywhere you find visually appealing.

Hell, that's not even enough to buy the coffee!!!.

I am surprised by how many women on this thread would sell their virginity if they could go back in time.

My experience tells me that men and women, weak or strong, have trouble admitting their own weaknesses, and laying blame on another, or finding a reason outside of their own actions/character is common.

Lest we forget, the truly STRONG, not merely obnoxious or pompous, know themselves and live by "to thine own self be true". Besides, there is a difference between strong & strong willed.

But rock, assuming you have dated only women, don't you leave room for the notion that this is a HUMAN trait, not at all related to gender?

No person is obliged to care what I or anyone else wants or likes! But we all have the right & the obligation to care about those whom we, well, care about don't we?

Sex is not a way of saying thank you it is a way of saying I love you when you are married.

I think I met their sexual needs, did they meet my emotional needs, not even close.

I guess they think that sex is everything, NOT!

Most of the men I have seen could care less about getting into a relationship.

I might not be the richest woman but I can pay my own bills. I couldn't ask a man to pay my bills. In fact, when divorced both times I ended up with most of the bills and these so call men made more money than I did. I paid the bills and it makes me a better person than they will ever be. My last ex took out $21,000. from his 401 K and expected me to help pay the taxes even though he spent he spent every penny probably on his girlfriend. He took me to court to pay the taxes and I am happy to say I got my portion all paid in full and he is still paying.

So you think women use men? I have to disagree I have found a lot of men that use women sexually and finacially.

What has happened to treating people with respect and being honest with each other.

As I remember correctly, when you do take your marriage vows, fidelity is part of that commitment, if a man wants to whore around, he should not make that commiment to be with only 1 woman. So you don't see fidelity as your duty to love only your spouse, to have sex only with your spouse? I don't see it as a duty, I see it as an honor to want to be with someone for the rest of my life and cherish our love and our vows.

and she can help improve herself in the relationship by BOTH of you have honesty,

So I am taking it, you did see sex as your wife's "duty"? since you only came back with a snide remark about marriage and fidelity?

Isn't sex something both partners in a healthy relationship ought to value enough to put time and effort into?
In that sense, is it not a duty they perform for each other, a responsibility they hold for each other and a joy they share with each other?