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 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 20 (view)
 
Heartbroken today...
Posted: 5/25/2013 2:44:09 PM

The bottom line is that cats that roam outside die younger than those that live inside. After losing several cats I decided to keep all future ones inside. They have all had much longer lives.

My cat goes out on a long tether...
He is very well guarded by two large dogs that love him...

Years ago, when I was little, we had small puppies... They were out in a fenced yard... yipping and yapping... all of a sudden they went quiet... I quickly scurried out... They were hiding at one end of the yard, and several large Hawks were circling overhead...
I grabbed my pellet rifle and started retrieving the pups...
None got taken, didn't have to fire at the hawks. It was all good... but the pellet rifle sat by the backdoor for several months, just in case...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 1175 (view)
 
u can't have a platonic friendship with opposite sex
Posted: 5/23/2013 7:14:03 PM
I see strong opinions on both sides of the coin.

Having read all the posts on this topic... I've come to the conclusion, that there's very few people in this thread, same sex or opposite sex that I'd want as a friend.... Platonic or otherwise... LOL
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 1147 (view)
 
u can't have a platonic friendship with opposite sex
Posted: 5/22/2013 6:50:25 PM

would guess that this scenario happens more often in bad made-for-tv movies than in real life. Give us some credit. The person you are describing, is not a friend and the majority of us would be smart enough to see through that behaviour right away.

No, most women might only see the obvious ones, the clumsy ones etc....
Obviously if he is a 'friend' you KNOW he would never do that....
The whole point of my comment was that "she has not a clue"... but hey, I'm sure every women is going to say she's smarter than that... That's fine...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 1144 (view)
 
u can't have a platonic friendship with opposite sex
Posted: 5/22/2013 3:49:39 PM

who have enough ethics and self-respect that they aren't inclined to fool around just because it's offered. :)

Meeting new women was never a difficulty for me... so I don't hang in there in the "hope" of some sex or a relationship etc... If things aren't going the way I like, I move on...
But don't get me wrong, meet the right girl, and she's worth the effort, I'm in 100%
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 1142 (view)
 
u can't have a platonic friendship with opposite sex
Posted: 5/22/2013 3:27:19 PM

But I'm curious - if the friend was a woman who had a tendency to try to monopolize your attention away from the woman you were actually interested in, would you also leave the pair of them in the dust?

I've actually been in that situation... and yes, at a certain point I did leave...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 1136 (view)
 
u can't have a platonic friendship with opposite sex
Posted: 5/22/2013 12:47:34 PM

but neither are they going to give up long-standing friends to satisfy someone's insecurity.

It's not always about insecurity...
Even though I have seen a instances where a girlfriend's male friend has tried to hit on her, it's rare enough to not worry me...
The biggest gripe I have is the long term "platonic" friend who has been hanging in there for months, years, decades etc... silently hoping that one day, one day, she will realise that HE is the guy for her... He's the guy who wages a constant silent battle against the boyfriend or husband... Making comments, telling her she can do better... undermining the relationship...
Meanwhile, she has not a clue... having labelled him as a 'friend' she now seems to think his motives and agenda are all saintly... and he would "never do anything to betray the friendship" or some other equally vapid words to the same effect...
Often these so called friends are even blocking the woman from forming new relationships... There have been many , many instances where some woman's friend has told me that "she and him are in a relationship" etc... Meanwhile, she has no clue this is going on... If called out on this, the friend will deny and try to make the new guy look like a liar or use the confrontation as a way to further shoot down the guy's chances...
A few times on encountering women with 'friends' like these, I have simply moved on, not wanting to deal with the pair of them...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 1135 (view)
 
u can't have a platonic friendship with opposite sex
Posted: 5/22/2013 12:29:35 PM

And why is it that some people think bringing out the boogieman of perpetual singlness bolsters their argument in any way?

Ummm because we're on a dating site that strangely enough has a large number of single people who might prefer to not be single... and therefore, some of them might find any suggestions that might improve their compatibility with a partner to be worth reading....
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 1086 (view)
 
u can't have a platonic friendship with opposite sex
Posted: 5/21/2013 3:52:26 PM

Weak people don't care if their so s are dating other people or grinding up on them because they feel like they need to settle for disrespect because they don't have enough confidence to risk losing something that they think they don't deserve. " do whatever you want because I'm scared this is all I can get in life!"


Yup....

I think this is far too common...
Me, if I'm not happy in a relationship... I can move on... Last I looked meeting/dating new women was not all that difficult for me...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 1085 (view)
 
u can't have a platonic friendship with opposite sex
Posted: 5/21/2013 3:50:29 PM

A lot of us are mature and solid enough to draw our own boundaries.

The problem with that, is it's not YOUR boundaries that are the issues... It's how your boundaries are affecting your significant other. I could easily be an ass and say my boundaries are all that matter... and it might work... however, more likely would leave me chronically single...
So for the most part we don't draw our OWN boundaries, sensible people do take into account (not all the time, no one wants to be a doormat) the boundaries that our partner would appreciate...


I could sleep in bed with an OS and nothing would happen...

I could too, if there was no sexual/romantic attraction between us... But hell, where's the fun in that....? LOL
Otherwise, I'd probably wake up with some part of my body in serious contact with hers.... I've slept with too many women to not end up finding her in my sleep...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 8 (view)
 
motivated towards pleasure or away from pain?
Posted: 5/19/2013 11:04:04 AM

I was just reading an interpretation of Tony Robbins,

If you're a smart man, you'll avoid anything by that idiot...
He's little more than a conman and his tips, advice and insights are of dubious value....


Do you think people could be "either/or"? do you think they just alternate from time to time, or as they go thru life?

No...
I think the whole concept is flawed.... and since it comes from Robbins, I'm not surprised...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 1041 (view)
 
u can't have a platonic friendship with opposite sex
Posted: 5/19/2013 11:00:35 AM

I (and Hamilton) can easily disprove your anecdotal evidence with our own anecdotal evidence. If you expect me to believe that OS friends leads to problems in a huge percentage of cases, you will need to provide something more than personal experience

Any kind of proof would simply amount to an organized or compiled collection of anecdotal incidents... anyone can "prove" anything with the right application of bias towards data...
However, one can argue that the simple fact that this topic exists, and continues to grow, is enough proof of there being problems for a reasonably large percentage of posters, and then by extension, assuming that POF members are a reasonable cross-section of society, that a good sized percentage of people can make a case for it being a problem...


Even at that, for most people cheating is more complex than simply being provided with a proximate body of the preferred gender.

But you've really given no proof other than anecdotal, which is the same as no proof at all...
For some people, cheating or any kind of attraction is simply taking advantage of opportunity...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 1008 (view)
 
u can't have a platonic friendship with opposite sex
Posted: 5/16/2013 9:26:03 PM

HUH?? EG calls 'em like he sees 'em-I'd certainly call that substantial?

Ummm... flawed logic...
If he hallucinated... he could still call them as he sees them, but hardly substantial....


Can one have a platonic friendship with the opposite sex?
In my opinion, speaking from my personal experience, yes one can.

I think it's feasible... I have female friends that I'm totally platonic with...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 1007 (view)
 
u can't have a platonic friendship with opposite sex
Posted: 5/16/2013 9:22:21 PM

they are merely saying that they refuse to cut their friends out of their lives.

I have no problem if my partner has male friends...
I do have a problem if her male friends are ex-lovers...

Her choice on how to proceed...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 94 (view)
 
FWB and new BF
Posted: 5/16/2013 10:45:31 AM

did he ask first? because if he did then you and your friend must have been giving off strange vibes.

It's not hard to tell when a guy and girl have been sexually intimate in the past... I've been introduced to a 'friend' in the past and within a few minutes I knew... she admitted it when I asked...


honesty in a relationship is great, but some things need to stay in our past.

You do realise that those two points are somewhat contradictory...

If I was to find out (and these things usually do come out sooner or later) that the "friend" was an ex-lover and that I had been deliberately kept in the dark about it, I'd dump her... I'd wonder what else she didn't think I need to know...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 89 (view)
 
FWB and new BF
Posted: 5/16/2013 9:48:52 AM

That's wrong. What's funny is I bet if the boyfriend started hanging out with an ex she'd lose it

Most likely...
Especially if the Ex is hot.... I have an Ex who has a drop dead flawless body, great hair, great personality... former athlete, has her own business... I can just imagine what would happen if I had tried to stay friends with her...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 987 (view)
 
u can't have a platonic friendship with opposite sex
Posted: 5/15/2013 8:07:48 PM

off topic just cause it came in to my head... "Where , oh where, are you tonight? Why did you leave me here all alone? I searched the world over and thought I found true love. You met another and phbbbtb, you were gone."

Ok... this is weird... Last Saturday I was in a bar and someone sang this... which was the second time I'd heard it in as many days... now you posting it makes it a 3rd time... yet, I've gone years without hearing.... LOL
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 986 (view)
 
u can't have a platonic friendship with opposite sex
Posted: 5/15/2013 8:04:42 PM

It will be interesting to hear if the standard doesn't suddently become "well, that's DIFFERENT" when it comes to a GUY keeping up a friendship with a former FwB.

Well, you won't get a change of standards from me...
1... I don't have any friends who are disposable enough for me to do the FWB thing with them...
2... I don't stay in contact with Ex girlfriends/lovers...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 47 (view)
 
FWB and new BF
Posted: 5/14/2013 11:02:54 PM

why didnt you just say he was your best friend and not a former, fwb's.

If I found out down the road that my G/F's best friend was a former lover and she had deliberately not told me... I'd dump her on the spot... even if we'd been in a relationship for several years... Apart from the obvious manipulation, I'd wonder what else she didn't think I'd need to know...


and only close friends know about.

so her boyfriend wouldn't be considered a close friend????
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 46 (view)
 
FWB and new BF
Posted: 5/14/2013 10:59:09 PM

Get a full panel of tests immediately before and immediately after any kind of sexual relationship.

Testing is a great idea...
The only problems are...
There is no test for HPV in men...
Tests are best done between 3- 6 months AFTER last sexual activity... as some STI's can require a few months to show up in tests...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 45 (view)
 
FWB and new BF
Posted: 5/14/2013 10:56:24 PM

I have a new BF and I felt compelled to be honest with him that one of my best friends was a FWB.

That's why a FWB should be 'disposable'....

Most of the time, your new partner will not want you to hang around with someone you've had sex with...


When I find a BF though, we stop but then we pick up where we left off when we're both single

Let me guess, your FWB tends to give you relationship advice too? As in, that guy's not good enough for you etc...


He said he can't stop me from seeing my friends, but I'm not sure if he's being honest. He is VERY easy going and not prone to jealousy

Probably because he hasn't figured out whether you'd dump him or not if he insists you stop seeing the Ex-FWB. Generally, if people make ultimatums the other person dumps them... so his only option is to put up with it for now and hope you get the hint and stop all contact with the ex-FWB...

but damn, I don't want to ignore my best friend that I've known for years.

Should have thought of that before you fcuked him...
Let's face it... chances are either this b/f or the next or whatever, are not going to be too impressed with you have a ex-FWB as a friend... unless of course they don't give a rat's ass about you...
And to be honest, losing a serious relationship partner over an ex-FWB is kind of a bad trade... you'd look awful foolish if you let a really great guy go, just to stay friends with your Ex-FWB... only to find a while later, the ex-FWB meets a great girl and cuts you out of his life because he's smart enough to do so...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 957 (view)
 
u can't have a platonic friendship with opposite sex
Posted: 5/14/2013 10:45:19 PM

Men do not want to meet your ex's, fwbs and guy friends. Nor do they want to hang out with them.

I agree...
I have no desire to meet any guy that fcuked and sucked and traded fluids with my G/F...
I won't invite him for a beer...
I won't allow him in the house... or my car... or whatever...

I have no desire to be friends with her Ex lover... What are we going to have in common...? A mutual place we've both been in?

If a woman doesn't like that... Well, fine... Not a big deal... I'm not so insecure as to hang around putting up with something I don't like and being afraid to speak up about it or move on... There are plenty of other women out there, and I'm not the kind of guy who finds meeting new women to be difficult...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 956 (view)
 
u can't have a platonic friendship with opposite sex
Posted: 5/14/2013 10:35:42 PM

As for cultivating new friends, I have no need. I'm old and my friends have been with me for over 15 years, seen me through thick and thin and will continue to do so. Anyone new in my life would be nothing more than an acquaintance.

And that says a lot on how well a new relationship partner would fit in...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 951 (view)
 
u can't have a platonic friendship with opposite sex
Posted: 5/14/2013 8:46:11 PM

So because you can't be friends with an ex without wanting to bed them, everyone must want to bed their ex???

You have just validated the point so many have been making. You can't be in a relationship with someone who has an ex as a friend because YOU can't be friends with an ex without wanting sex or them back.

No, you're leaping to conclusions...
However, It's interesting that I proposed 2 reasons... either for sex or to get back with them... but you focussed on the sex aspect... Anyway, I digress...
Whether or not I can or cannot keep an Ex around for those reasons, does not automatically, make that the reason I choose not to be around people who are still friends with their Ex...
I didn't bother to mention the times I've met my G/f's Ex's who have tried to break up the relationship...
or physically attack me... Or just the ones who decided to relate their past sexual acrobatics to me... Most of this by the way, while the woman is (usually ) blind to all this going on in the background...
Then too, there are the men who still think somehow that "she" is still their property or at least under his protection or looking out for her and that no guy she dates is quite good enough for her... giving her advice, pointing out how she could do so much better... etc....
There are a lot of "former Ex" so called friends out there actively ruining their Ex's relationships... and all too often the woman has no freaking clue this is going on...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 917 (view)
 
u can't have a platonic friendship with opposite sex
Posted: 5/13/2013 11:46:15 PM

I have always been open from the beginning that my best friend is a male and an ex.

The only times I've kept an Ex around as a friend was when I was either still having sex with her, or I wanted to get back with her...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 916 (view)
 
u can't have a platonic friendship with opposite sex
Posted: 5/13/2013 11:41:22 PM


I have always been open from the beginning that my best friend is a male and an ex. If they have a problem with that, they need to bow out from the get go. Seldom do they, thinking instead they can manipulate me into getting rid of my OS friend for the "sake of the relationship". It never works.

I have no problem with a partner having male friends...
I do have a problem with a partner who has an Ex for a friend...
I don't keep female Ex's as friends either...
( I don't consider a passing greeting on the street when you randomly run into an Ex as a friendship... )

However, If a woman wants to keep her Ex as a friend then I can see issues down the road... especially if we were to be living together etc...
It's not like I would want her Ex to come over for a beer, dinner or a BBQ or anything... Just not going to happen... likewise, I would not go with her to her Ex's place etc... and I would not be happy if she did...
Now then, I'm not going to tell her it's the Ex or Me... I would explain my preferences, and I simply would not consider her as serious relationship material if she wants to remain friends with an Ex...
I would probably drop her within a short while if I saw no change...
I also would not tell her my reason for moving on... I see no sense in trying to get her to change to suit my wants if something like that means that much to her...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 30 (view)
 
Contracted an STD .. I Feel Doomed Now ..
Posted: 5/12/2013 10:47:10 AM

Try this...
Go to Google Images.... type in "Hiv in men"

HIV and HPV are not the same thing...

Oddly I meant hpv in men, not hiv in men... Seems my phone auto-corrected it to the wrong thing...


Not all forms of HPV result in genital warts, so your google images of severe cases are the exception

I'm sure we all understand this...
However, it DOES happen... My comment was in regard to the mentality of it's not that big of a deal that some people have about hpv. For some people it is a big deal.
We could apply the same mentality to car accidents. Most car accidents are not fatal nor cause severe injuries, however, we still outlaw drunk driving. Why? Because it CAN happen...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 27 (view)
 
Contracted an STD .. I Feel Doomed Now ..
Posted: 5/11/2013 9:31:33 AM

As a comparison, for men, it's not as bad as having cold sores (herpes simplex 1), because it's not a visible, irritating, thing. And herpes simplex 1 is ridiculously common as well (and barely indistinguishable from herpes simplex 2, just more common).

Try this...
Go to Google Images.... type in "Hiv in men"
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 60 (view)
 
Extreme body mods
Posted: 5/9/2013 8:36:14 AM

I've already got one that directs anybody that sees it to look at the USB stick I keep in my wallet.

I hate to tell you this, but many large computer systems do have USB stick access either limited or disabled... to prevent viruses etc from contaminating them.
Time spent hunting for a Pc or tablet with a usable USB may be an issue...
Then too, is your stick readable by various operating systems... ie Unix, Windows Android, Apple.?
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 18 (view)
 
Contracted an STD .. I Feel Doomed Now ..
Posted: 5/6/2013 9:43:51 PM

Causes
The cause of cervical cancer is unknown. Factors that put some women at a higher risk of cervical cancer include:


http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/cervical/
The human papillomavirus (HPV) is the main cause of cervical cancer. HPV is a common virus that is passed from one person to another during sex. At least half of sexually active people will have HPV at some point in their lives, but few women will get cervical cancer.


--and I would like to see the source of that statistic.


http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/cervical/statistics/

Cervical cancer used to be the leading cause of cancer death for women in the United States. However, in the past 40 years, the number of cases of cervical cancer and the number of deaths from cervical cancer have decreased significantly. This decline largely is the result of many women getting regular Pap tests, which can find cervical precancer before it turns into cancer.1 For more information, visit HPV-Associated Cervical Cancer Rates by Race and Ethnicity.

In 2009 (the most recent year numbers are available)—
•12,357 women in the United States were diagnosed with cervical cancer.*2
•3,909 women in the United States died from cervical cancer.*2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/basics/ataglance.html
"Deaths: An estimated 15,529 people with an AIDS diagnosis died in 2010,"
" Women accounted for 20% of estimated new HIV infections in 2010 "

(20% of 15,529 works out to 3,105 )

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I did have the figures for the year 2005 a while back... honestly can't find them at the moment... That year it was particulrly close. I believe the difference between Aids deaths for women in the US and cervical cancer deaths that year was only 98 persons...
Unfortunately, too tired to be more accurate right now...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 21 (view)
 
How frequenty should a couple be having sex for my age 39?
Posted: 5/6/2013 10:41:28 AM

At this stage, I think most couples would be interested in sex 4 or 5 times a week, and probably more

Yeah, I was kind of thinking around that number...
I've been in relationships where it was once a day, and at that, at an older age... but that does eventually fall back a bit...
I've been in relationships where I've only seen the woman on the weekends, so then it would be a lot less, maybe 8 to 10 times a month...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 15 (view)
 
Contracted an STD .. I Feel Doomed Now ..
Posted: 5/6/2013 9:06:39 AM

Well,there's a good story to feel doomed. :(

The problem is usually not the HPV... it's the cancers that can rise up from an HPV infection...
HPV related cervical cancer kills as many women in North America as the number of women who die from Aids...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 26 (view)
 
You know you're a parent when..........
Posted: 5/4/2013 3:14:46 PM

Ok, your turn..........Let's have a fun thread : )

You know you're a parent when...

Your kids are old enough to go out without you, but still invite you to go for a beer with them...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 802 (view)
 
u can't have a platonic friendship with opposite sex
Posted: 5/4/2013 8:59:11 AM

A friend doesn't find it necessary to "test" another friend, especially in such a ridiculous and over the top manner.

Or, especially, when they're not sure how the test will end up....


but because even if he did it proves nothing about whether or not men and women can maintain a non-sexual relationship as just friends.

If he goes for it, then it proves a platonic relationship cannot be MAINTAINED.


In any case, even heterosexual male and female friends have been known to have sexual relations with each other when certain conditions were met. Could be a one-off, could be a latent desire, could be curiousity about same gender sex, could be a need to feel physically close to someone.

Which then would nullify the platonic argument...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 789 (view)
 
u can't have a platonic friendship with opposite sex
Posted: 5/2/2013 3:03:10 PM


My room-mate David and I have been platonic room-mates and friends for over five years now...it is a financial situation...we like to live the way we do, and it takes two to do so. From day one it was known there would be NO 'craziness' between us and that's how it's been and will continue to be...why complicate a very good thing with sex that would eventually ruin it?

Ok....
Now then, give him a couple of beers, turn down the lights turn up the music and then start dancing around the room wearing nothing but a smile or perhaps some really sexy lingerie...
If he's truly a platonic friend or if he's gay, he will ignore you... I'd bet he goes for the sex...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 299 (view)
 
Sex on the First Date - Guys - what do you think?
Posted: 4/27/2013 10:11:42 PM

Not really, no. Sleeping together is a mutual choice.


The common perception is that the woman decides

Ok... so then if she says "No", tell me how her choice doesn't affect you.... I agree, that you can turn her down equally... but generally, it would seem that the woman makes the decision to have sex... if she declines, then you have nothing to decide...


You are projecting your own beliefs and assumptions about personality, motives etc. on others you don't know.

No, I'm basing my opinions on personal experiences... and the experiences of others I know...

I prefer to judge everyone I meet as an individual and on their own merits instead of generalizing and assuming I know all about someone based on one small piece of data such as "she was willing to sleep with me on a first date".

Well, if you're going to judge everyone by their merits aren't you still judging them? You're merely using a different set of criteria than me...


I suspect you may either be biased because of past experiences that have left you frustrated or angry or you are trying to impress others by putting forth some sort of moral high ground that you inhabit.

Assumptions again. Can I see your data and statistical analysis? Have you met and spoken to a large number of people that may be biased because of past experiences etc... etc...? You are projecting your own beliefs and assumptions about personality, motives etc. on others you don't know.

Sorry, not angry, nor frustrated... nor on a moral high ground either... My original point on sleeping with someone on the first date was based on other concerns...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 297 (view)
 
Sex on the First Date - Guys - what do you think?
Posted: 4/27/2013 4:49:31 PM

While that might be the case with a small number of people I think it is more the exception than the rule. Of the many first dates I've been on I think I've had sex three times. Guess I'm a man whore! Lol! And for the record, two of those led to relationships

But that's also because you don't have the say in when or if you have sex on a first date or not...
It's always the woman who chooses to or not...

And there also seems to be an assumption that if you sleep with someone on a first date you sleep with everyone on a first date?

To be honest, most people do the same things over and over... It's more likely for people to repeat past practices than to suddenly change one's entire dating style with a new person...
Then too, we don't assume they sleep with EVERYONE on the first date... but the chances are that it will apply to a larger number of persons than the average...
I'd think too, as each new partner is acquired it becomes successively easier to sleep with another new person...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 295 (view)
 
Sex on the First Date - Guys - what do you think?
Posted: 4/27/2013 1:33:44 PM

or the classic well if she had sex with me on a first date no telling how many others shes done..

Well, I know if I'd slept with every woman on the first date... My numbers would be in the thousands.... LOL
I can imagine that many people would be in the same way...
Even if I allowed for only those women where the first date had 'chemistry' or progressed to a second date the numbers would still be ridiculously high....

I can imagine that some attractive women have had thousands of 'first dates' too...
Now if she slept with even half of them.... sorry.... don't think I'd want her any more than a woman would want me if I'd slept with hundreds of women...

Then too... if you reduce sex to the equivalent of a handshake... what's the point....? It would no longer be special or important....
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 139 (view)
 
Date With Single Mom Went Horribly Wrong
Posted: 4/24/2013 12:33:28 PM

Perhaps the closest Mcdonald is 20 miles or they don't eat meat

Well, the OP did say he's in Toronto...
I can guarantee that McDonalds are far closer than 20 miles from ANYWHERE in Toronto... LOL
I'm pretty sure they almost within walking distance of each other all over the city...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 138 (view)
 
Date With Single Mom Went Horribly Wrong
Posted: 4/24/2013 12:30:55 PM

see parents strapping toddlers into regular lap belts in the back of a car all the time...it is against the law

The fact is, it IS against the LAW... End of Story...
Yes, Taxi's are exempt, so are buses... However, I would not allow a toddler to ride in MY car without being properly secured... Getting caught is a serious fine, AND is pretty much guaranteed to double your car insurance rates for the next 3 years...
Sorry, no date is worth that...
That being said, he could have parked his car and all of them taken a taxi to continue the date... a bus even...


There is an old saying - "When life gives you lemons, make lemonade."

One has to remember, that lemonade is made by crushing the lemons to a pulp and salvaging the liquids that are left...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 23 (view)
 
Once a 'Love Triangle,' but now she's available! Insight wanted.
Posted: 4/21/2013 5:19:14 PM

Please offer insights if this would be awkward or not for Pam to be contacted by me after what happened.

Well, first off, I wouldn't date a buddy's ex... Ever... but that's me...

Points to consider:
[1]- Is it going to bother you down the road knowing your buddy was sleeping with her if you end up in a relationship with her...?
[2]- Is it going to be awkward running into him when you're with her...?
[3]- Is it going to be awkward for HER running into him when you're with her...?
[5]- It's basically nearly a decade later... she may not even remember you... or care...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 290 (view)
 
Sex on the First Date - Guys - what do you think?
Posted: 4/21/2013 5:11:53 PM

But then what - 6 dates and he is gone? Who cares what two consenting adults decide to do?

Well, considering the number of men who think that they are entitled to sex after 3 dates, I guess holding out for a few more dates eliminates a lot them...
I know a few women who absolutely won't have sex in the first few dates... they also aren't worried if the guy moves on because he didn't get laid sooner...


Who cares what two consenting adults decide to do

Well then... if one or both of the adults decides to wait, no one should care either... likewise, if one or both of the adults decides to end the relationship because they didn't get sex, no one should care either...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 284 (view)
 
Sex on the First Date - Guys - what do you think?
Posted: 4/20/2013 11:11:08 AM

The probability is quite high that if the MAN is willing to have sex on the first day, he may have fuked and sucked a few hundred girls. But of course, this merely based on assumption.. correct?


That would be so... except, women are the ones who CHOOSE to have sex... The man may be erect willing and able, but unless she is interested, it's not happening (not counting rape or coercion of course)
However, allowing for the probability that the man who regularly gets laid on the first date does have more going for him (looks, actions, being a player etc...), then yes, it's a possibility that he has slept with a disproportionate number of women...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 16 (view)
 
It's The Past that Haunts me...
Posted: 4/16/2013 10:51:50 AM

Now 4 years after coming to terms with it all, I have issues with trust in putting my faith in others words. I find that this may be an issue for me in finding someone. So I ask, should I just throw caution to the wind and possibly subjugate myself to this hassle once more? Or would anyone say that my cautionary tactics are sound?

Good grief, you were approx 20 years old when you had your bad experience... at that age many people are not ready to settle, hence, lies, cheating, getting dumped etc... It's a part of learning how to date and deal with relationships...
Instead of learning, you took your balls and went home...

Get over it...
At age 20 most people are NOT going to settle down for life... your cautionary tactics have paralysed you... By the time I was your age, I'd had a few women cheat on me... I had cheated on a few too... It happens...

Generally after catching a g/f cheating... I simply dumped her and looked for another girl... End of problem...
In those 4 years you have probably missed hundreds of really great women and dozens of great possibilites for relationships...

At my age now, I can barely remember some of the women I dated in my twenties.... None of them would have been worth 4 years of dating paralysis....
Like I said above... Get over it...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 22 (view)
 
Sex after 15 years with the same man.....what do ya do?
Posted: 4/11/2013 9:51:12 PM

Do they expect their partners to wear matching underwear, lingerie, shave their nether region completely? LOL

To be honest, you have an advantage over a lot of women...
The less partners you've had, it's less likely you'll be jaded and uninterested...
You've still got lot's to learn... so as long as you're an enthusiastic learner , you'll be fine...

I don't know about most guys...
But what I expect from a woman is...
A pulse... LOL

I don't care if she shaves or not...
I don't care if she's not perfect... a few flaws means she cant say anything about my flaws... hahaha
Matching underwear? Don't care...
Lingerie? Don't care... to me it's just wrapping paper... quickly gets sidelined and on to the treasue underneath...
Looking for in sex? Enthusiasm...
Things to remember...
Dont giggle or make size comments when you see the penis for the first time...
Don't ask, "Is it in yet?", even if you're not sure... it really deflates our ego (and the penis)
Try to avoid getting hiccups, when performing oral sex... (unless you're deep throating)
If you're going to fart when we're going down on you... please don't....

Enthusiasm and a sense of humour is all you need...
And if all else fails... get him a beer from the fridge....
(Always have beer... LOL)
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 275 (view)
 
Sex on the First Date - Guys - what do you think?
Posted: 4/11/2013 9:37:07 PM

I have questions for woman do you think we will not respect you really ?

Mostly I think the women are in a Catch-22 situation...
Having sex on the first date (or early in a relationship) could easily result in the woman having had large numbers of sex partners...
And that for many guys is an issue... Which makes it an issue for her... (aside from the other issues such as risks for her of pregnancy, STD's etc...)
Sure most guys are ok if the woman he's in love with has had sex with a reasonable number of men before him...
( Your mileage may vary when describing "reasonable" )
However, not a lot of men would be so comfortable if she's fcuked and sucked a few hundred guys...


The sex is a bonus for me do not expect but often wonder why not a little fun ?

You're looking at sex from a male perspective still...
Now then...
Ask yourself this...
Would you still be interested in sex on the first date if...
You took a long time to orgasm and only if your partner knew what they were doing...?
Or if, you simply never or rarely have an orgasm...?
And...
You might end up with a life changing baby growing inside you as a result...?
Or, you might end up with an STD and or infertile due to one... (And don't look at infertile as no big deal, to most women THAT would be a staggeringly awful concept (pardon the pun))
Also, consider, that to have sex on the first date, you would be going somewhere (presumably) private and alone, and getting naked (more or less) , with a person you barely know (and that knowledge is based only on what that same person has told you ) if not a total stranger, who is possibly several times your physical size, strength and capability when it comes to the possibility of them inflicting injury or violence, robbery etc on you... AND if they were to do so , a large portion of society would blame YOU for being that stupid...
AND...
Each person you have sex with, potentially adds to your number of sexual partners and may reduce your chances of a relationship with someone else more desirable...
And those are just a few of the things that come to mind...

Let me know how all that works for you...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 271 (view)
 
Sex on the First Date - Guys - what do you think?
Posted: 4/11/2013 10:21:42 AM

Yesterday I told guy "no". He said " in that case u can leave". He literally thru me out of his house.

This just happened to a friend of mine last month... He told her to find her own way home, at 3AM in the winter... She had to get her son to pick her up at a coffee shop down the road..


Now I'm going to put guys in three months hold or something. First they better develop some kind of committed exclusive relationship with me before sex.

As a guy, I honestly think women should have the guy wait for some period of time before having sex...
Over the years, I've known lot's of women who did...
Lot's of women who didn't... but eventually did...

The ones who have had sex on the first date etc always seemed to be the ones going from guy to guy to guy... (And I'm not blaming the women here... they just seemed to end up in short sexual relationships as opposed to longer committed ones... )
I know a couple of women who tell the guy up front... it's going to be a "while" before they have sex... they find it weeds out most of the guys who just want sex pretty quickly...

Sure sex is important... not wanting to end up wasting time though in case you're not compatible is BS...
At best, how long have you "wasted"? A few days, a few weeks... People waste more time than that in a year watching TV....
And if you think the time was "waiting" or "wasted" then you were with the wrong person from the beginning... no wonder the sex was bad....
Aside from that, bad sex is still 50/50... responsibility for bad sex lies with both people...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 51 (view)
 
When guy's underwear is a turn off.
Posted: 4/7/2013 11:37:42 AM

Calvin Klein has some awesome colored underwear, orange, pink, light blue, yellow. I LOVE Color... make it exciting for us ladies puweeeze

I think glow in the dark colours might be a but funny....

I prefer commando....
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 10 (view)
 
FWB or maybe more?
Posted: 4/7/2013 11:33:23 AM

, But when he moved out of state he tells me to be patient with him. His words are perfect but his actions are totally different. I dont want to lose him out of my life but dont want to be used either!

To me, this looks like he's trying to leave his options open, so he can come around and have sex... He leaves you with the impression that if you're "patient" your FWB or FB status will become more... That way you're less likely to cut him off, you're less likely to sleep with other guys... and less likley to meet anyone who really is worth being with....
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 24 (view)
 
Would you date your mates ex girlfriend.
Posted: 4/7/2013 11:30:04 AM

you don't Need to tell your friends every girl you made out with. It will only affect him if you're going to start Dating her. If you get to the point where you may -- then Ask him. And of course, if he hates her and you & he are close friends, then don't even hook up with her.

One other point...

Although I see it as being a bit weird... some guys ( and I'm sure some women do too....) get strangely over-protective of their Ex... especially if they and the Ex still get along...
So they try to sabotage the Ex's relationships, both with new guys and expecially if they know the guy... This can be exacerbated if the guy knows you're a player or a womanizer and thinks he's got to protect her from you somehow...
They might not even realsie they're doing it...

Also, some guys will try to sabotage their Ex's new relationships because they want to get even with her for whatever real or imagined hurt they received from her...

Just seems like too many things that can go wrong...
 m_church
Joined: 11/8/2007
Msg: 13 (view)
 
gunshy
Posted: 4/6/2013 7:00:24 PM


I have been talking to a guy who was hurt very badly by his ex. I understand his being gunshy and he admits that he pushes me away, but we still talk all of the time.

Ok...
Here's my take on it...
I've been hurt a few times by Ex's...
I've never been "gunshy"... nor would I tell a woman I was if it ever did happen....

However, I can imagine that a guy who wants sex, but not a committed relationship would setup a situation that makes gullible women think better of him when he dumps them after a while... It's like having a ready made "exit" door waiting in the wings... to be used at any time...
 
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