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Thread: Mitt Romney
CountIbli
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Mitt Romney
Posted: 10/17/2012 9:31:20 AM
Listening to Romney tonight describe how he would get tough on China and invest in Latin America, I couldn't help but remember an executive meeting at Walmart headquarters a few months ago. Walmart and Costco already recognize that China is rapidly becoming a consumer nation and prices of goods are rising fast... so high and so fast that they will not be able to continue to import from China. Walmart is already investing in new factories to produce the goods in Latin America and Walmart is already reducing its imports from China. Romney is trying to take future credit for a market shift that is already well underway.
Philosophically is this really any different from Obama? Both seem to think it's the government's job to pick and choose where investments go. For Romney getting investments out of China and into Latin America (at least that's what he thinks this week, who knows what he'll think next week). For Obama it's putting money into banks, auto companies, solar panel companies, Brazilian oil, etc.
So that's our choice folks. One person who thinks the government should pick and choose winners and losers in the market and another person who thinks the government should pick and choose winners and losers in the market.
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The debates
Posted: 10/17/2012 9:24:08 AM
That's one problem with it. A lot of people might think there's not only that practical consideration, but also a moral one. They might want to prohibit substances like those just as a matter of public morals. And if they do, that's their call. There's no constitutional right to use marijuana or cocaine, any more than there is to commit sodomy in the town square at noon.
That opens up it's own Pandora's Box. What if the public decides that it's immoral for women to show skin in public? What if they decide it's immoral for unmarried women to be in the company of non-related men?
CountIbli
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The debates
Posted: 10/17/2012 9:17:11 AM
Let me re-phrase ^ this in a better way:
So a woman has a right to do to her body what she wants unless that may POTENTIALLY 'harm' other people?
So prostitution is illegal because it may potentially harm other people. However, not all prostitutes have VD and not all women with VD are prostitutes. So it doesn't matter if a given prostitute ACTUALLY has VD, only that she may POTENTIALLY have VD. But we can say the same for women in general. Some women have VD and some women don't, but as a class women potentially have VD so sex with any woman in potentially harmful so all sex should be illegal.
Going back to abortion we find ourselves with the same problem. As with any other medical procedure, some abortions go wrong and harm the patient. Since abortion can potentially harm someone it should be illegal right?
the problem with that is when she or he;( because crack use isn't exclusive to women) is brought to the nearest Emergency room all F'd-up; the cost of medical care & rehab has to be absorbed by the gov't (which means the tax-payer)
So when you used the word harm above, you weren't talking just physical harm, but financial harm as well. If I go skiing and break my leg, get rushed to the hospital, and the taxpayer pays for it then I've harmed the taxpayer. Skiing should be illegal! Skiing pales in comparison to the potential harmfulness of driving. Thousands of people are killed or injured in car accidents, causing both physical and financial harm. Thus cars should be banned.
how would you know that they haven't misrepresented it; unless they can be taken to task? Secondly, what would be the impetus for them to be honest if they have no fear of being called or challenged?
These questions deal with fraud, not with some woman making an informed decision about what to put in her body. You would prevent her from ingesting the drug even if the company has been completely honest, simply because there's the potential that a company is being dishonest. Since any company could potentialy commit fraud then by your reasoning all businesses should be illegal.
well if there is no law against her taking an unapproved drug, then who is gonna pay for any deleterious effects that it may have upon her (especially upon the fetus, if she might be pregnant--and not know it at the time) when she is brought into the hospital.
This is going to sound crazy, but maybe she should.
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Libertarians ?
Posted: 10/16/2012 7:53:10 PM
"If Obama wins it derails all the constitution stands for, and what AMERICA stands for."
Do you lay awake at night making this shit up, or waiting for the sky to fall? What a "Chicken Little" attitude.
Look at Obama's own record.
He signed NDAA into law, which gives him the power to indefinitely detain America citizens without bringing any charges against them. A blatant violation of Article I Section 9, the 4th Amendment, and the 5th Amendment.
He signed the extension of the PATRIOT Act into law.
He's assassinated American citizens without due process through the use of drones.
He's committed acts of war against Libya, Pakistan, and Yemen but has neither sought nor received a declaration of war from Congress. At the very least, in the case of Libya, he violated the War Powers Act.
He signed the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act into law despite it violating Article I Section 7 of the US Constitution.
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Libertarians ?
Posted: 10/16/2012 1:06:48 PM
It seems to me that Libertarians are just Republicans who like to smoke pot.
I take it you haven't investigated Libertarianism then. Major breaks from the Republican party include (just a few examples)
1) Pro-choice
2) Decriminalization of all drugs
3) Elimination of all corporate subsidies
4) Military non-interventionism
5) Pro-gay marriage (though usually in the sense of getting the government out of marriage completely)
6) Anti income tax (Republicans like to monkey around with cuts and deductions but rarely want to scrap the entire thing and repeal the 16th Amendment)
7) Legalization of prostitution
8) Against foreign aid to all countries (including Israel)
9) Want to eliminate Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid , welfare, food stamps, and unemployment benefits (Republicans want to tinker with them but few would actually eliminate them)
Rand Paul loves calling himself a Libertarian and talks all about freedom and rights. He's just not too sure about black people buying lunch in a public restaurant.
You should be ashamed of yourself for this sickening distortion of his opinion.
CountIbli
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Mitt Romney
Posted: 10/16/2012 12:55:59 PM
Though Romney was told by the mother of one of the victims to STFU and stop using her sons death as part of his campaign.
That's just how American politics works. Someone dies and it's a great opportunity for political gain. It does matter if you're a Democrat or Republican.
CountIbli
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Jill Stein for President
Posted: 10/15/2012 11:51:37 PM
What Jill Stein is doing is not a handout, it's a rebuild of our economy in a way that we will all benefit from.
That's not what it looks like to me.
http://www.jillstein.org/summary_green_new_deal
"The right to quality health care which will be achieved through a single-payer Medicare-for-All program."
That's a handout.
"The right to a tuition-free, quality, federally funded, local controlled public education system from pre-school through college. We will also forgive student loan debt from the current era of unaffordable college education."
More handouts.
"Invest in green business by providing grants and low-interest loans to grow green businesses and cooperatives, with an emphasis on small, locally-based companies that keep the wealth created by local labor circulating in the community rather than being drained off to enrich absentee investors."
Handout to corporations.
"Strengthen media democracy by expanding federal support for locally-owned broadcast media and local print media."
More corporate handouts.
There some good stuff in her policy positions (e.g. repealing the PATRIOT Act), but mostly it just looks like more handouts.
Governments job is to step in when things are wrong and fix the mess. Government today has for too long benefited those select few, and ignored "the little people". Indeed that is the one problem with a free market, the ease of dominance known as Anti Trust. Oil and Banking are currently out of control, and the corporations are becoming dominate.
We don't have anything remotely close to a free market. I wish people would stop blaming the free market for things caused by fascism, which is what we currently have.
CountIbli
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Posted: 10/15/2012 11:37:37 PM
funny that.... all of the socialist European countries have sales tax as well. Also strange that a conservative province like Alberta doesn't have PST.
The US federal income tax is one of the most progressive in the world. Far more progressive than most European countries or Canada. We also have one of the highest corporate income tax rates.
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Posted: 10/15/2012 4:32:53 PM
the problem goes deeper than. The japanese (or asian) counter-part of the typical american highschool student, is already well versed in advanced studies/sciences--such as calculus; and is often multi-lingual by the time he or she graduates, while the avg US highschool grad couldn't hold a candle to him. The standards are low FOR EVERYONE, not just the teachers. I agree that there is waste, and also parental apathy plays a big part in a child's education, or lack of! The whole system needs to be re-built from the ground up!
I agree. I should have mentioned these points myself.
Ummm, maybe because prostitution is largely a public health hazard! In countries where prostitution regulation is lax, you have HIV and VD running rampant. The only exception might be in Holland but only because everyone adheres to the public health rules/guidelines imposed.
So a woman has a right to do to her body what she wants unless that may POTENTIALLY effect other people? If that's the exception then I don't see how abortion would be free from government regulation.
Ummm, I guess that its to keep greedy drug companies from selling you 'snake-oil' or other sh!t that is harmful to your body; its something that we ought to be grateful about (as imperfect as FDA may be, its better than nothing!)
Well fraud is a separate issue. What if a woman wants to smoke some pot or crack? What if a company makes a drug but doesn't misrepresent it; should a woman be allowed to ingest that drug even if it hasn't been approved?
CountIbli
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The debates
Posted: 10/15/2012 4:25:06 PM
Obama has stated publicly that he supports gay marriage. You can find it on YouTube. No one is going to make this a federal issue. The states can decide what is best for them.
I understand that. He wants to keep it a state issue. Eventually it's going to be a federal issue though. Married people get special treatment for taxes and federal wealth transfers. SCOTUS will have to try to square gay marriage with the 14th Amendment.
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Jill Stein for President
Posted: 10/14/2012 6:35:29 PM
Oh and for the record, I am a Republican, but I'm not voting for a trader. We do need less gvt, but right now this country needs a bandage, actually it needs stitches and a transfusion. But such is not going to come from bailing out insurance co, and banks, etc. The people need a bail out, and the only one I see with a plan that has a chance is Jill Stein with her Green New Deal. And her plan is to heal, not prolong support, or just throw money at a problem and hope it goes away. Her plan is a true investment in our future.
If you believe that we need less government then Jill Stein is not the candidate for you. You might want to look at Gary Johnson.
http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/
If you want more government handouts then vote for Jill Stein. I just don't see how you can reconcile the two views.
CountIbli
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Jill Stein for President
Posted: 10/14/2012 6:30:44 PM
Actually, I would suggest that ever since the second Reagan victory in '84, that both parties have moved more to the right. The GOP started out medium right, and though I do think they are faking a lot of the far right crap they pretend to believe, that they really are further right than they have ever been before in my lifetime.
How do you figure? Republicans used to oppose the very existence of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. Now it's hard to find a Republican who would take such a position. Despite gripes from the left, Ryan's plan doesn't get rid of Medicare. Even Ron Paul would only phase these programs out over a period of decades. Republicans have also given general support to more education funding on the federal level, a national health insurance mandate (they only started opposing it because of partisan politics, not because of any philosophical opposition to the idea), and an expansion of Medicare. While there's been a lot of rhetoric against subsidies and regulations from Republicans they've done nothing about it when they had the power to eliminate them. Welfare reform under Clinton was forced by Republicans, yet the reforms were weak. During the Bush years welfare, food stamps, and the like could have been eliminated but weren't. And where are the Republican calls for reducing the amount of time people can remain on unemployment. They seem to have forgotten that issue a couple years ago.
Fiscal restraint certainly hasn't been something that Republicans have moved to the right on. Spending exploded under Republicans. First with Reagan then with both Bushes. Dedication to the free market was abandoned as far back as Hoover and only empty rhetoric remains.
CountIbli
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Short Ryan interview
Posted: 10/14/2012 5:37:38 PM
What I don't get are the guns used in Aurora, Columbine and the clip used to shoot Giffords! Why the need for AK-47's? Or assualt rifles in general? It's not like they make a good hunting gun. Do you want to pick 8 or 9 bullets out of the deer you just shot? How about the 30 round magazine? You mean it's too much to have you have to reload after 12 or 14 shots or less?
I'm glad you used the correct term assault rifle instead of the term assault weapon, which is something that doesn't even exist. However, the civilian version of the AK-47 is not an assault rifle. An assault rifle is a fully automatic weapon and the weapons used in Aurora, Columbine, and the Giffords' shooting weren't fully automatic. I assume you're using the term "assault rifle" because it sounds scarier than "rifle functionally identical to any other hunting rifle". One could of course use an AK-47 to hunt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lckzhI2uX5M&feature=related
You're right that the AK-47 isn't a very good hunting rifle, but probably not in the way that you think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgr3kTU68uw&feature=related
And yes reloading after 30 rounds is more convenient than loading after 12 or 14. Just like it's more convenient to fill your gas tank after using 15 gallons than after using 7.
CountIbli
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Short Ryan interview
Posted: 10/14/2012 5:20:59 PM
1) He is almost singularly blaming the inner cities for the violence
That's where most crime is. Cities tend to have a high population density and crime rates tend to increase with population density. Cities also tend to have easy access to public transportation which aides in criminals in their getaways so they are more free to commit more crimes. Cities also tend to have transient populations. They lack community ties and are therefore more likely to commit crimes.
2) When he says that laws aren't being properly enforced, is is talking about the law makers or the law upholders (police etc)?
I assume he's talking about the police and courts. There's probably some truth to this. We have way too many laws in this country which makes enforcement sporadic.
3) He is saying that if we bring opportunity, do away with poverty and teach "them" good discipline, character and civility in these cities, and teach them to value one another, that this will somehow stop violent crimes?? Are violent crimes really just about being poor?
It won't stop violent crime. That will be with us forever. Teaching respect for other people, discipline, and character would no doubt help though. A better economy would reduce property crimes (which can easily turn violent). People who are gainfully employed tend not to commit robberies, vandalism, etc. Somewhat surprisingly higher employment also leads to higher murder rates. One explanation I've seen is that with more opportunities to meet people (because you're employed), and that most murders are between people acquainted with each other, murders will increase. Another interesting statistic I've seen is that assault doesn't correlate with employment either way. A better economy is therefore unlikely to change assault rates.
As someone else mentioned crimes rates have actually been decreasing for the past couple decades (IIRC it's actually been declining since the 60's). The US is incarcerating more and more people so that's probably partly why. However the drop in crime rates has also been linked to increased abortion rates and increased access to firearms. Also worth pointing out is that despite the commonly held view that the rich get richer and that the poor get poorer, the reality is that everyone the rich, poor, and middle class are all getting richer (as a general trend that is; recessions always result in periods of reduced income and the top 20% is usually hit hardest in terms of income).
CountIbli
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The debates
Posted: 10/14/2012 4:55:21 PM
1) More money spent on education. Better schools, more teachers, better pay, fewer cuts (after school programs, elective programs etc) Now I realize that most of these issues are dealt with on the state level, but obviously the President has SOME sway and input in those decisions.
What makes you think that schools are underfunded or that teachers don't get paid enough? The US spends more per student than just about any other country. Teachers get paid a full time wage for a part time job (they only work 9 months out of the year) and get generous benefits. Here in Massachusetts starting pay is $40k/yr. I'd say that the problem is waste and low standards for teachers. In any case this is a state and local matter. It should have nothing to do with the federal government. Presidents really have no idea what needs to be done for schools and shouldn't have any sway.
2) Women's right to choose what is done with their bodies. I'm afraid this is not something I can be middle of the road about. Although I am past child bearing years, there are many women out there who NEED to have the freedom to choose and be protected.
To me this is an interesting argument, because if people who used it really believed it then they'd all be Libertarians. If a woman has a right to chose what is done to her body (and I agree that she does) then why do we have laws against prostitution or other laws regulating voluntary sexual relationships? Why does the federal government get to decide which foods and drugs we can ingest? Where is the line between the government protecting us and the government telling us what we can do with our own bodies?
3) Right to gay marriage. I know this is very controversial, but again, I want ppl to have the right to choose how they live their lives. Gay marriage will probably never be condoned or fully accepted, but I'd rather not see a hard line taken on it, or against it. IMO, every human, gay or not, should be allowed to receive the same rights and privileges, especially in regards to death benefits.
Both Romney and Obama are opposed to recognizing gay marriage on a federal level. Gary Johnson (Libertarian candidate who has been largely ignored by the media) favors it.
4) Keep religion out of the school system. Yes, I am a Christian, but I don't think there should be any place where ppl are made to feel uncomfortable about their beliefs, praying, or NOT praying, ESPECIALLY children. That's a serious hot bed of conflict so rather than having it be situational or subjective, just make it a solid NO.
I don't think any of the candidates have staked out a position here other than typical platitudes about the 1st Amendment.
5) This one is tricky and I'm not 100% sure about how it works but: No more increase in defense spending. I want this country to be as safe as the next guy but considering the billions of dollars spent on it already, it's time to back off a bit. Not only does it increase the ability and the opportunity of us getting further involved in other country's business, but it keeps our weary soldiers from living a life outside of the military and protects the young ppl who feel the need to join as a sense of duty, from possibly making a life altering mistake. (I may be wrong about what the spending is for so feel free to correct me)
The US spends as much as the rest of the world combined on the military. Unfortunately Romney and Obama both think that we should be the world's policeman. Quite frankly we're not good at it, it's not our responsibility, and we can't afford it. Once again Johnson stands out from the other two in wanting to cut military spending and shift our military policy to defense rather than intervention.
CountIbli
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Campaign 2012: War on Women? War on Mothers?
Posted: 5/2/2012 4:33:01 AM
I myself am still trying to get a handle on what this "War On Women" thing actually is.
It's a bunch of nonsense designed to fire up the Democrat and Republican bases and distract people from the real issues.
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What is your personal backup plan?
Posted: 4/27/2012 6:52:31 PM
^^^"It's coming....and....I don't have a backup plan because even if I 'prepped', I'd run out of necessary Rx's."
Some Rx's can be replaced with natural medicines.
"But I can tell you if I DID have a plan....I wouldn't be airing it on TV! Why would anyone who takes prepping seriously, announce it?"
Sure the guys who are worried about roving gangs are dumb to announce their plans. But some people are looking to rebuild society after the collapse, not hide from it. Some preppers are already organizing their communities.
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Mitt Romney
Posted: 4/22/2012 6:09:11 AM
"Again, the specifics?"
^^^You had no response to my specifics earlier. Is that going to be a pattern? If so then giving specifics is pointless. Also we run the risk of going way off topic.
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Mitt Romney
Posted: 4/21/2012 7:27:26 PM
Msg 80 "Does anyone really believe Romney has a chance against President Obama in the debates?"
It's going to be amusing to watch. Obama, without his teleprompters, has a tendency to say really dumb things (e.g. making fun of kids in Special Olympics and saying that there are 57 states). Obama's record is also pretty dismal so he's going to have to stay on the attack.
Romney is going to have a tough time of it too. His record is dismal as well and he suffers from Rich Tourette Syndrome.
There's very little difference between the two. So whoever wins the election, America loses. I think Romney is going to win simply because it's very difficult to get re-elected in a sh1tty economy.
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Mitt Romney
Posted: 4/21/2012 7:09:34 PM
Msg 79 "Helpful hint: if you cite the Msg. # (message number) in this thread from which you've taken your quote it would make it very efficient for the reader to go back and get the context of what you're saying. I am loath to go back and reread this whole thread to locate the original point you attempt to pursue here."
Not a bad idea at all. I hope it catches on.
"Moving right along....
Your second paragraph contains some very inflammatory charges based on your perceptions and version of reality. Could you be more specific to actual facts and events to which you refer? If you cannot do this your rhetoric is not worthy of serious discussion."
When I speak of being violently kidnapped I'm referring to being arrested by the police. There's zero difference between being kidnapped and being arrested. In almost all cases the thugs, aka police, will use violence to kidnap you. My use of the word "jackboot" was meant figuratively (though some American police do wear them). Hope that clears things up.
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Mitt Romney
Posted: 4/21/2012 5:46:02 AM
"The matter boils down to one simple, yet deeply profound question: Why should I obey the law?"
Indeed. The Congress passes unconstitutional bills. The President signs them into law. The Secretary of the Treasury is a tax evader. The AG refuses to prosecute prosecute left wing people of color and covers up scandals by the administration. The same sorry state of the government continues down to the state and local level. The government achieves goals through theft, extortion, and violence.
The only reason to obey the law is to avoid being violently kidnapped by jack-booted thugs who will look the other way when you're being ass-raped by your fellow men-in-chains.
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Housing bubble STILL not the fault of Homebuyers.
Posted: 3/9/2012 3:51:53 PM
"The improprieties range from the basic — a failure to warn borrowers that they were in default on their loans as required by law — to the arcane. For example, transfers of many loans in the foreclosure files were made by entities that had no right to assign them and institutions took back properties in auctions even though they had not proved ownership. "
Neither of which has to do with the misleading title of this thread. The housing bubble was caused by the FED holding interest rates too low for too long and the federal government making laws and regulations that funneled money into the housing market.
Failure of the banks to tell people they were in default did not cause the bubble or even the bursting of the bubble. Taking back properties even though they couldn't prove ownership did not cause the bubble or even the bursting of the bubble.
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2016 election
Posted: 3/9/2012 3:33:27 PM
"Count..just tell me something, if month after month someone ran drek, under your banner about the joys of phedophilia...tell me, wouldn't you ask that someone run a disclaimer, saying while it maybe the views of the writer, it does NOT reflect my views?"
It wasn't month after month. A few appeared over the period of 6 years. Even the racism charge is over blown. It's not racist to say that MLK Jr. was a pro-communist philanderer. It's simply the truth. Furthermore you wouldn't believe the disclaimer anyway, since he's already repudiated them.
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2016 election
Posted: 3/9/2012 3:16:13 PM
"After that, then it would be easier to find a Democrat to run against anyone the GOP would put up. I'm ready for someone like Debbie Wasserman Schultz. I think she's level-headed enough to pull off "President", but first we'd have to cut ties with Israel."
You think someone with the name Wasserman Schultz is going to cut ties with Israel?
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2016 election
Posted: 3/9/2012 2:59:48 PM
"Gee, I wonder...would what was published under his name and in his newsletter qualify?"
He was neither the author nor the editor. Why would they qualify? How about giving an example of something he's actually said or done? That would qualify.
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Mitt Romney
Posted: 3/6/2012 6:28:08 PM
"The only one of them who had any kind of credibility was Huntsman, and he tried to jump on the crazy train too late, after being too honest."
Huntsman's problem was that he'd worked for the Obama administration. Republicans couldn't overlook that even though he is more conservative than Romney, Santorum, or Gingrich.
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2016 election
Posted: 3/6/2012 6:24:38 PM
"Oh, he's a Democrat in name only. That's by far the dominant party in WV, and a whole lot of politicians who call themselves Democrat look a lot like Republicans in any other part of the country."
I understand that some Republicans want him to switch parties. Given some of the things he supports (like national health care) I wouldn't bet on it.
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Posted: 3/6/2012 6:22:24 PM
"And the fact that he's a racist, misogynist and homophobe who is batcrap crazy doesn't hurt either."
Can you quote one racist thing he's said? Can you quote one misogynistic thing he's said?
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Posted: 3/5/2012 7:56:43 AM
"He didn't accomplish much as governor, other than getting a new layer of gold flake on the capitol dome and getting our two universities to agree to play football against each other. But he didn't do much damage, either."
For a Democrat that's a huge accomplishment.
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Posted: 3/4/2012 8:25:42 PM
"You've got people like Jeb Bush now saying that he used to be a conservative, but now he's not so sure. The litmus test for conservative has moved so far right that it's now just a fringe group of zealots in America."
Apparently we have very different definitions of right and left because I see the "far right" as quite left-wing. These alleged right-wingers repeatedly vote to raise the debt limit, gave us Medicare Part D, gave us TARP, supported a national health care mandate (Romney and Gingrich were both for it before they were against it), support stimulus spending, and vote for pork barrel spending.
There were only 4 fiscal conservatives in the race to begin with. Bachmann and Huntsman both dropped out early. Gary Johnson was driven to the Libertarian Party. Ron Paul is unlikely to get the nomination because of he's not a foreign policy hawk (and make no mistake most of the Democrats are also hawks) and wants the federal government to stop being the morality police.
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Posted: 3/4/2012 8:09:14 PM
"You've mentioned him before. What is it about Manchin that appeals to you? I am quite familiar with him as not only does he represent my state but I worked for him when I was in state government. Honestly, he's solidly unremarkable. What do you see I don't?"
Well there's very little to like about any Democratic politician! Manchin is at least pro-2nd Amendment, opposes Obamacare (though I don't care for his solution either), he voted against cloture for the NDAA, supports a balanced budget amendment, wants to cut corporate income tax, opposes the EPA regulating CO2, opposes earmarking, opposes the lawsuit against Arizona's immigration law, and favors lower taxes generally. There's lots of things that I don't like about his politics (probably more than I like) but he's far superior to Obama, Biden, or Clinton.
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US Considered Ways to Provoke War with Iran
Posted: 3/4/2012 8:04:11 AM
"They keep on pushing their views even though the U.S. government officials have clearly stated that the policy is to gather support to impose sanctions on Iran with the goal of bringing Iran to the table and negotiate a solution to the issue of development of nuclear power/weapons by Iran."
Actually Obama has said that nothing is off the table.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9iAqR7ftzw
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Posted: 3/4/2012 7:51:08 AM
"How do we know that they do not go beyond the brainstorming stage?
How do we know that the Gulf of Tonkin and 9/11 just fell in their laps?"
Gulf of Tonkin never happened. This has already been established decades ago. It was a manufactured crisis.
9/11 is different and I think it did fall in their laps. Had it been manufactured then there would have been strong "evidence" pointing towards Iraq. Instead the administration really had to stretch the facts to link it to Iraq.
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Posted: 3/1/2012 6:22:26 PM
They are all train wrecks except Ron Paul and Gary Johnson (and I don't think either one has a chance). The bottom line is that the economy is in the toilet and rightly or wrongly Obama is going to get the blame. Everything else doesn't amount to a hill of beans when unemployment sits at 9% and is drifting upwards.
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Posted: 3/1/2012 3:00:07 PM
I'm really not seeing Newt as a viable candidate (now or 2016). My prediction is that Romney is going to win this year (the nomination and the Presidency) so he'll be the Republican candidate in 2016. The Democrats don't seem to have any viable options except Hillary, though I'd like to see Sen. Joe Manchin give it a run (he's a bit of a mixed bag, but a mixed bag is better than an old bag).
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Is Judas Iscariot in heaven?
Posted: 2/4/2012 6:58:36 AM
"Judas certainly had a choice; if he didn't then that is like saying that Peter did not have a choice to deny Jesus 3 times!"
Did Peter have a choice? Had Peter chosen not to betray him then Jesus/God would have been wrong about Peter denying him 3 times. But since God knows everything then he couldn't have been wrong about the betrayal. Therefore Peter had no choice.
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Posted: 12/17/2011 6:37:56 AM
"WTF are you on about now here is your quote again
It's not increasing concentrations of CO2 that causes global warming, it global warming that causes increased concentrations of CO2.
Perhpas you could defend it or explain it rather than try to mobe the gola posts and discuss something else?"
I'll try to explain this again. When the oceans warm up carbon dioxide becomes less soluble in them. This causes CO2 to be released into the atmosphere. Thus global warming causes an increase in CO2 levels. Do you deny this?
"Lets start with you actually understanding what you say and what it means rather than asking another unrelated [ to my point] question – no you cannot move the goalposts "
It's a very much related point. You're claiming that increased CO2 levels causes global warming. I'm asking for a quantitative measurement of the effect of CO2 on global temperatures (a.k.a. climate sensitivity). The phrase "climate sensitivity" is pretty basic to the global warming issue. I'm surprised that you've never heard of it before.
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Posted: 12/16/2011 7:07:15 PM
"are you really now claiming that the burning of fossil fuels does not relaease C02 and it is just a result of warming seas that C02 has increased - FFS how dumb is that -"
I didn't say that, or anything close to it. Apparently you are unaware that CO2 is soluble in water and that it becomes less soluble as the temperature of water increases. In fact there's 50 times more CO2 in the oceans than in the atmosphere.
"No offence but that is just dumb clearly c02 rises are man made and clearly c02 is a greenhouse gas - we could debate the effects of this , well we could if you had some data and credible science,"
Let's start with this. What is the experimentally measured climate sensitivity of CO2?
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Breaking the law: A morality issue?
Posted: 12/15/2011 6:44:16 AM
"Yes. Breaking the law reflects badly on you and your sense of morals. "
Breaking immoral laws reflects well on one's sense of morals. How moral was it for people in the SS and Gestapo to kill Jews just because it was the law?
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Posted: 12/15/2011 6:40:40 AM
"Funny thing is that trend maps over about 40 years would point to ashift and funny thing is that co2 that is known grenhouse gas that occupies our flimsy atmosphere and is designed to maintain atemp has risen drasticl in those last 40 or so years.."
When the oceans warm up they release CO2. It's not increasing concentrations of CO2 that causes global warming, it global warming that causes increased concentrations of CO2.
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2008 Voter Fraud Investigation Heats Up in Indiana
Posted: 12/14/2011 9:31:01 AM
Not Indiana but...
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/12/felons-voting-illegally-franken-minnesota-study-finds/
Carruthers said Ramsey County is still investigating all the names and has asked that more investigators be hired to complete the process. "So far we have charged 28 people with felonies, have 17 more under review and have 182 cases still open," he said. "And there is a good chance we may match or even exceed their numbers[341]."
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Posted: 12/14/2011 9:21:23 AM
"Climate change is synonymous with global warming, though climate change more accurately reflects the numerous changes that occur as a consequence of increasing Co2 in the atmosphere."
This simply isn't true. The climate is always changing and always has. This is different from global warming which is the tendency for the average temperature of the Earth to increase. Global warming is a type of climate change, but so is global cooling.
The predicted increase in frequency and strength of hurricanes hasn't happened.
The predicted increase in precipitation isn't happening. Take a look at http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/8g.html and let me know if you see any extreme precipitation.
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So we have a new contest, how is the king of flip-flops?
Posted: 12/13/2011 9:33:12 PM
"It turns out that Ron Paul is polling a strong third in Iowa at 21%. He's not a flip-flopper. He's bat shit crazy, but he's consistent."
What's crazy about not wanting to get mired in countless foreign wars? What's crazy about wanting limited government? What's crazy about wanting liberty and freedom? What's crazy about wanting sound monetary policies, including an audit of the FED? What's crazy about not wanting unsustainable government spending? What's crazy is when people say Ron Paul is crazy but don't bother explaining why he's crazy.
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Posted: 12/13/2011 9:26:47 PM
Global warming morphed to climate change; what are you calling it next week?
They're the same thing, but "climate change" is a concession to the simpletons who thing that "global warming" means "everywhere is warmer all the time".
Climate change has been happening since the climate existed and will continue until the climate ceases to exist. This is not the same thing as global warming. And global warming isn't the even same thing as anthropogenic global warming. The reason for the change in terminology had nothing to do with concessions and everything to do with propaganda. Since the climate always changes there's always a ready excuse for big government programs that enrich the wallets of fat-cats like Al Gore.
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Posted: 12/12/2011 7:02:26 AM
"But I'm a small-business owner, and I put all my money right back into my businesses in the form of capital improvements, which I don't pay taxes on anyway."
Don't worry, Obama wants to end these tax loopholes that you've been using to avoid paying your fair share of taxes.
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So we have a new contest, how is the king of flip-flops?
Posted: 12/5/2011 7:21:37 PM
Let's not forget about the flip-flops of Michelle Bachmann. She claims to be Ms. Superchristian who opposes gay marriage, yet she's in one. Her opinion on them has apparently flipped from when she married a gay man to now that she's running for President.
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Posted: 12/5/2011 12:31:59 PM
"No one has said that the planet will be transformed into a gas giant as a result of the change in temperature. Why do the deniers always ludicrously misrepresent what has been claimed?"
Apparently you haven't been following the discussion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Citd9RH7kbU
http://www.350.org/about/science
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJFWaidKuoU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMNpXQ4SYdg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn-Sn2nWa_o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUG2YvMtPKM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipping_point_(climatology)
"He [James Hansen] has further suggested potential projections of Runaway climate change on Earth creating more Venus-like conditions in his book Storms of My Grandchildren."
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Sci-Fi Movies Usually Suck
Posted: 12/5/2011 11:57:40 AM
Song of Fire and Ice on HBO has been quite good. Unfortunately the first season was so short that they had to fly through everything to make the first book fit into one season. Hopefully they can slow things down starting next season and really develop the plot and characters.
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Unraveling of the Herminator?
Posted: 12/5/2011 11:54:04 AM
"NONE of their people is presidential. They have to know they can't make it to the big chair, and they get to keep the money, so......"
It might be a little more devious than that. I think the establishment has decided that Romney is going to be the nominee. To make it appear that we have a choice they also got Trump, Bachmann, Perry, Cain, and Gingrich to run. The establishment raises them up to first tier, along with Romney, and then destroys them. Soon Gingrich will collapse and perhaps Santorum will be the new flavor of the week. The establishment doesn't like Paul, Johnson, Huntsman, or Roemer which is why they been ignored so much.
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Posted: 12/5/2011 11:45:31 AM
"Romeny is done, once Newt's camp puts this flip flop statement in a commercial it's over and if some how Romeny manges to win the rep nominee after this which i doubt then the Obama camp will nail him to the ground with this issue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeQto-aAzl8"
Not only does he flip-flop and then lie about it, but he also lied about the state not subsidizing health insurance. Massachusetts did set up a program to subsidize health insurance.
However, I think Romney is going to get the nomination. The powers-that-be have already decided. It's not an issue that is going to sink him in his run against Obama. Obama has way too many negatives (e.g. bad economy, zero leadership ability, Solyndra, Fast and Furious, an incoherent foreign policy, withdrawal from Iraq coming too early for conservatives and too late for progressives). Obama is going to join the ranks of Jimmy Carter and George Bush Sr.
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