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 Author Thread: BOO HOO WHAT CAN I DO??
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 21 (view)
 
BOO HOO WHAT CAN I DO??
Posted: 11/22/2009 10:24:37 AM


Are the banks in your neck of the woods lending money to unemployed people who have never started or run a business on their own?


I think this is a major problem with the US business model. The idea is that to start a business you have to take out a loan, especially a big loan, and immediately put yourself into (more) debt. It's simply not true, and not a good idea. Two alternatives, not mutually inconsistent, are:

1) Start out small with whatever resources you have available and reinvest your earnings into the business.

2) Seek out venture capitalists who will invest in the business (not a loan) in return for a share of the profits.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 16 (view)
 
BOO HOO WHAT CAN I DO??
Posted: 11/20/2009 8:27:42 PM


Starting your own business doesn't resolve the issues discussed here.. Ibli its a strawman argument.


The issue being discussed is "boo hoo I lost my job and companies are out-sourcing". My suggestion to start a business directly addresses the issue of not having a job.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 14 (view)
 
My God is?
Posted: 11/20/2009 8:12:48 PM


I never excluded any one I just said stay on topic and do not razz people. That is forum rule. If FSM is the intelligence that designed this universe then why would it need 2/3 of classroom time?


Flying Spaghetti Monsterism is very different from Intelligent Design. ID relies on personal incredulity about the ability for evolution to result in irreducibly complex structures. Pastafarianism has naught to do with this.



I agree that there is a Hell and some of the people there have STD's but beer is too nasty to be in my Heaven.


Not all beers are to be found in Heaven. In Heaven it's quite easy to get a hold of Guinness. OTOH, Budweiser is only to be found in Hell.



I believe in the God of the Bible.


Which Bible, if you don't mind me asking? There are thousands of different versions to choose from.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 13 (view)
 
My God is?
Posted: 11/20/2009 8:05:54 PM


Believe what you want, but how about a little respect as the OP asked.


I am showing a little respect. As little as I can

I did as the OP asked and presented my view of god. My religion was insulted by people who intimated that I couldn't be serious.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 143 (view)
 
1=1 Is it a fact a theory or both?
Posted: 11/20/2009 7:46:10 PM


I've been reading through all these posts and noticed something kind of odd. The original question was "Does 1 always equal 1". Nobody has disproved that yet. All of the math in here keeps showing that other things can ALSO equal 1, but there has not been an instance that shows that 1 does not equal one.


It's an axiom (or definition if you prefer). I could use a different axiom if I wanted. I could say that a=0 for all a. In that case 1=0 is true, but 1=1 is not true.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 48 (view)
 
The double slit experiment (the elephant in the room).
Posted: 11/20/2009 6:41:25 PM


Why have we assumed that the laws of science/nature are permanent when we live in an evolving Universe? Science basis it’s existence on “Evolution” and yet it fights and
and defends to remain “Fixed & Static” with it’s own theories and formula’s???


The answer lies in some fairly sophisticated mathematics developed by Emmy Noether in 1915. Basically, what she found was that if the laws of physics varied with time then energy would not be conserved. Similarly, if the laws of physics depend on where you're located in the universe then momentum is not conserved.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 27 (view)
 
Do ANY Men Read Profiles (First or at all?)
Posted: 11/19/2009 11:51:11 PM


Well gee, thanks for the complement, but I do crave something with some substance. It would be nice if the guy put something in the tagline that cited something from the interest section or the profile and reference that in his message.

Do any women agree?
Do men understand this?


Try to understand that men here learn pretty quickly that 99% of our messages are unread/deleted. There's no incentive to put substance into the messages.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 66 (view)
 
Whats it like being single over 30?
Posted: 11/19/2009 11:47:22 PM
I find relationships stifling. Instead of doing things that I want to do we have to compromise and do things that "we" want to do. Any attempt at retaining personal freedom is taken to be a personal insult. Somehow I'm being mean if my life doesn't revolve around her. There's just too much BS, which the sex can't make up for.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 11 (view)
 
How to tell a woman to start paying for part of the date
Posted: 11/19/2009 11:35:00 PM


Anyways, this chic doesn't even offer to pay!!


When you were ordering at the coffee shop you should have made it clear to the cashier that it was separate orders. Please tell me that you've at least had sex with her already.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 11 (view)
 
BOO HOO WHAT CAN I DO??
Posted: 11/19/2009 11:28:32 PM


Why didn’t President Bush do some thing or why ain’t President Obama doing some thing, hmmmm thinking about it maybe the question should be why ain’t I doing some thing about it????


Am I on Bizarro PoF? When did you become a capitalist?

There is something we can do to create jobs. Stop working for other people. Start your own business with whatever skills you have.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 18 (view)
 
Obama Warns About Double Dip Recession
Posted: 11/19/2009 11:23:24 PM


Looks like a DEAD CAT BOUNCE to me. What do you all think? Anyone still convinced Obama-conony is going to work? Anyone still buying that it was because "he inherited this mess from Bush"? Inviting you to please state some substantiated facts to back up your opinions.


Obama inherited a bad economy from Bush, and everything he's doing is making it worse.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 10 (view)
 
My God is?
Posted: 11/19/2009 11:13:33 PM


When you go worship the FSM in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or you donate all your money to the Pastafarians, then I'll believe the FSM is your god. Till then, I think you're just taking the p*ss. But poorly, because your words imply that you really don't believe a word of what you say. That makes your comments entirely off-topic.


It would be pretty silly to donate money to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. FSM created everything so he has no need for money. Why worship a god that's so weak and powerless that he needs to leech off of humans? Please don't mock my religion/god since it's in violation of the OP.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 11 (view)
 
Jesus the anti-christ
Posted: 11/19/2009 8:54:18 PM


hi.. OP, my main point is to say that I love studying the bible and I feel confident to say that your post is full of biblical errors.... Jesus is in both lines, birth mother and Joseph....


Mary's line is irrelevant because she's female and in any case isn't given in the Bible. Joseph's line, which is given twice and neither account agrees with each other, is irrelevant because he's not the biological father.



meets all requirements of the Messiah, right down to "none of His Bones would be broken"


There is no such requirement. I'm afraid you've been hoodwinked by greedy preachers.



anyway, every one has to study it for themself .. I do not have one speck of doubt that any diligent bible student will see that Jesus is indeed the Son of God sent to Redeem mankind... blessings


I've studied it quite diligently. I conclude that Jesus never existed, didn't fulfill any Messianic prophecies, and was not originally created as a Messiah character.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 172 (view)
 
Ft Hood Incident Highlights Dangers of Gun Control
Posted: 11/17/2009 10:01:08 PM
@Walking in on several people firing guns ... there is no way a person just arriving on that scene could have possibly known who the perpetrator is ... only those who were present in the room when the shooting first started would be in a position to know who the shooter was.

It's probably the one screaming "Allah akbar! Death to the infidels!"
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 39 (view)
 
The New Jewish Lobby
Posted: 11/17/2009 9:48:51 PM
@fact 45% of all arabs, i dont use the term palestinian because theres no such thing, they are just arabs living in isreal, are criminals they go to jail at one point or another.... they vote for a known terrorist govmt,that not only wants to wipe out isreal, but also shows hostility to all free and democratic states this thread is anti semetic and should be shut down

You're anti-Semitic for your hatred of Arabs, who are Semites too. Relations between Jews and Arabs were good for centuries, until Zionists decided that land needed to be taken away from Arabs and given to Jews in order to get even for what Christians did to Jews in the Holocaust.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 77 (view)
 
What are guys thinking?
Posted: 11/17/2009 4:47:25 PM
@I would be shocked too, and on a first date no less.

I agree. Doesn't this fall under the 3 date rule?

Anyway, this happened on Seinfeld to Elaine. Which makes me wonder if the OP is just confusing herself with Elaine.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Is being yourself really good advice?
Posted: 11/17/2009 4:30:06 PM
For everyone who argues for "being yourself" I wonder how you present yourselves on a first date. Do you take a shower right before the date even if you don't normally take a shower at that time of the day? Do you dress your best or your average? Do you refrain from any behaviors that you think might turn someone off during a first date? Are you really the same person on the first date that you are on the fiftieth?
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 89 (view)
 
A math question: Is there any way to increase your odds when buying lottery tickets?
Posted: 11/17/2009 12:44:17 AM
I have to agree that the best strategy is not to buy a ticket. Let's suppose a ticket costs $1. Let's further suppose that the chances of winning the $10 million jackpot is 1 in 1.5 billion (not unrealistic numbers).

So if I don't buy a ticket I have a 100% chance of having $1. Let's calculate the expected value of how much money I'll have if I play the lottery. To do this I multiply how much money I'll have by the probability of having that much money, and then adding these up for each possible outcome.

($10,000,000)(6.67 x 10^-10) + ($0)(1 - 6.67 x 10^-10)
= ($6.67 x 10^-3)
< 1 penny

So by not playing I'll have a dollar, by playing I can expect to have less than a penny.

Earlier someone said that the only reason to gamble is for the money. This is the absolute worst reason to gamble. Eventually, the house wins. The odds are stacked in their favor. The only reason to gamble is because you've got money to waste on the pleasure of wasting money.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Independents Preference is Moving Right?
Posted: 11/14/2009 1:27:24 PM


If anything, more people seem to be moving in more of a libertarian direction from what I've seen. Which, personally, I see as only being a good thing.


It would be a good thing if they actually voted Libertarian. Instead they're going to vote Repuglican. They'll do this for a few reasons. Most importantly the economy is in the tank, which means people vote against whatever party is in control. There's also widespread opposition to a single payer health care system. It's obvious to everybody that the Demoncrats want a European-like system. The Bush and Obama bailouts have been extremely unpopular and because the Demoncrat Congress made them possible, the people are going vote to switch parties in Congress. If the Repuglican candidates are smart they'll come down on the anti-war side. The occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq are unpopular and Obama and his cronies in Congress have done nothing to bring the troops home.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 136 (view)
 
Ft Hood Incident Highlights Dangers of Gun Control
Posted: 11/14/2009 1:11:36 PM


The crux of the debate is, from what I know, whether it says you can have guns, period, or whether, because a militia is sometimes necessary, ownership of guns by individuals is also necessary. The latter interpretation would turn on what one means by "militia."


For better or for worse here's what federal law has to say:

TITLE 10 > Subtitle A > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 311

§ 311. Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 2 (view)
 
My God is?
Posted: 11/14/2009 12:46:55 PM
It's against forum rules to exclude certain groups from discussion.

That said, I'd like to take this opportunity to write about the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM). I believe that FSM created the universe after heavy drinking. This is why there are flaws with the earth such as volcanoes, earthquakes, and France. All evidence for evolution was planted by FSM to test the faith of Pastafarians, like myself. Pirates, though demonized by Christians, are divine beings who give candy to children and prevent global warming. Our Heaven has a beer volcano and a stripper factory. Our Hell is similar except the beer is stale and the strippers have STD's.

Knowlede of FSM was revealed to us by His prophet Bobby Henderson (pesto be unto him). We fully support the doctrine of Equal Time as proposed by Intelligent Designers. As Bobby Henderson (pbuh) wrote:

"I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence."

I have been touched by His Noodly Appendage.

Ramen
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 2 (view)
 
being ignored
Posted: 11/13/2009 6:18:30 PM
-I will try to make this short. I have been with my boyfriend over a year. Whenever
-we have a disagreement, he ignores me. While I think this is childish, I realize it is how
-some people cope. It hurts me deeply but what I want to ask is this. Is there anybody
-out there who uses this same approach? Why do you do it? Thanks.

Maybe you get very emotional and he doesn't want to deal with the bullsh1t.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 109 (view)
 
Ft Hood Incident Highlights Dangers of Gun Control
Posted: 11/11/2009 1:02:57 PM


BTW, I don't call McVeigh a "Christian terrorist" because he seems not to have been very religious. I DO however call fundamentalists who bomb abortion clinics and murder doctors "Christian terrorists." I'm not going to label Hasan in this way until I know more, but it won't surprise me if we find out he saw himself as committing an act of jihad. (It also won't surprise me if we find out that he's just a guy who finally snapped).


Tim McVeigh was raised as a Roman Catholic but says he never picked up Catholicism. He seems more to have been a New Ager who believed in some kind of personal god that gives moral guidance but does not interfere with the laws of nature. So it's factually incorrect to cll him a Christian terrorist.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 15 (view)
 
RCC- A force for good in the world?
Posted: 11/11/2009 12:53:18 PM
The RCC is a force for good if you consider the following good: child abuse, aiding and abetting child abuse, religicide (Orthodox in Serbia and Protestants in Ireland to name but two examples), overpopulation, war, slavery, Naziism, Fascism, opposition to medical research, homophobia, destruction of the wall between church and state, and hypocrisy.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 102 (view)
 
Must have car and job=gold digger?
Posted: 11/11/2009 11:22:02 AM


I noticed something pretty strange in my time on these forums, mainly men calling women gold diggers for demanding that a man have a job and/or a car. Since when did looking for something other than street bums start to mean that these women are gold diggers.


How come you never see men demanding that the woman have a job and a car? If you ever did you'd have 50 women screaming that that the guy is a playa that wants to sponge off as many women as he can.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 10 (view)
 
WHY NOT THE TRUTH ?????
Posted: 11/10/2009 10:54:19 PM
Ron Paul

True 3
Mostly True 4
Half True 0
Barely True 0
False 1
Pants on Fire 0

Seems to be doing great for a politician. Even where they say he's made a false statement some of the examples they give are arguable, and the rest probably didn't cost the government a dime.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 117 (view)
 
Your case for/against God.
Posted: 11/10/2009 10:36:23 PM


I'd advise against it. There is a Ray Bradbury story that comes to mind. I believe it's called "The Scythe". Quite a sickening story, but incredibly compelling. It really made me realise that having the power to prevent death does not automatically lead to a very pleasant existence. There are other Sci-Fi stories of a similar nature, that all ask the same questions, what if you could prevent all death, what if you could make all people perfectly healthy. They always seem to end in a very horrible way.


Surely if I'm an omnipotent being I can figure out a way to make immortality not suck! Christians and Muslims seem to think that Heaven is going to be the bees knees for all eternity. So why do we have to suffer first? Surely, as an omnipotent being, I can create a universe where people can have joy without knowing suffering.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 2 (view)
 
Could use a bit of advice.
Posted: 11/10/2009 10:29:44 PM
Moved past him. You're trapped in the friend zone. Honestly, I can't understand what he's thinking. If I initiate cuddling (or any other kind of physical intimacy) and the woman responds positively, I tend to think that things are progressing nicely.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 114 (view)
 
Your case for/against God.
Posted: 11/9/2009 5:57:40 PM


God is more Holy and Loving than man so if you have compassion God Has More... God Has that persons Greater Good in Hand, maybe that persons prayers will be realized in Heaven and Eternity, I doubt they will be angry at God for His Perfect Timing... how often have we witnessed the people with the most afflictions be the happiest and strongest, a light in a dark world like Terry Fox... if you think that you have the answers and are more loving than God remember Gods Word says that any good in us comes from God so pls remember to thank God for the compassion that you show.... blessings


I'm one of the most apathetic people on the planet, and I can assure you that I have more compassion than god. If I had the magic ability to cure all diseases, regrow lost limbs, restore sight, hearing, etc. I would cure the entire world without a second thought. There really is no excuse not to.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 51 (view)
 
Ft Hood Incident Highlights Dangers of Gun Control
Posted: 11/7/2009 6:29:29 PM
Gun control also hasn't worked in Australia, Belgum, Japan, and Jamaica.

http://www.gunfacts.be/wapenbezitcriminaliteitEnglish.pdf

"Heavily armed" European countries like Germany, Switzerland, Norway, and Denmark have low crime rates.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 49 (view)
 
Ft Hood Incident Highlights Dangers of Gun Control
Posted: 11/7/2009 6:05:18 PM


My bad, I thought the topic of this thread was about gun control not general violent crimes that may not even have a gun involved.


That's because people who are anti-gun never bother to look at the consequences of disarming the general populace. The consequence being increased violent crime.



Speaking of misleading, did you even bother to read to the end of the article you posted?


Yes I did. Did you read the rest of it?
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 108 (view)
 
Your case for/against God.
Posted: 11/7/2009 5:51:23 PM


James 4:3 When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.
NIV


So not wanting to live with phantom limb pain is the wrong motive? Wanting to be able to hug your children but you can't because you have no arms, is the wrong motive? What is the right motive for wanting amputated limbs restored?
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 5 (view)
 
Race/Culture Specific Forums
Posted: 11/7/2009 5:44:15 PM


The forums are often short-staffed with Mods as it is, I honestly don't think there is the man-power to police any race forums, or the stomach to risk the upset and ill-will that would likely be generated.


Imagine the uproar if there were White Only forums. PoF would be shut down by Al Sharpton faster than you can say "Tawana Brawley lied."
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 41 (view)
 
23 year old woman without children, and I'm weird?
Posted: 11/7/2009 5:11:52 PM


What's the big deal about not having kids at 23? I've met and seen plenty of people who don't have kids at 23. 23 is young and you should be single without kids. It's not weird and it's not a big deal. I'd venture to say that it's even 'normal' for the young women on POF not to have kids.


I did a quick search to see. I only counted as far as the first 2 pages of matches in my searches.

Age 23--4 out of 30 have kids
Age 28--8 out of 30 have kids
Age 32--10 out of 30 have kids
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 23 (view)
 
How much weight should polls be given?
Posted: 11/7/2009 11:27:35 AM

"Polls" can be made to say anything that the pollster wants to hear.


Every time you hear someone mention a poll, say "Fuck You Frank".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 82 (view)
 
Support broad in U.S. for public healthcare option
Posted: 11/7/2009 11:01:15 AM


Yeah, HR 3962 is change alright. Pay a fine and/or go to jail, if you don't buy health insurance. Pelosi speaker of the House or chairwoman of the Politburo??


This policy has been a failure in Massachusetts and now they want to expand it to the whole country.

http://newledger.com/2009/03/the-real-costs-of-massachusetts%E2%80%99s-health-care-reform-act/

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10268
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 41 (view)
 
Ft Hood Incident Highlights Dangers of Gun Control
Posted: 11/7/2009 10:34:57 AM


Gun control leads to higher crime in the same way crimes against murder causes murder. That's just stupid.


That's just a stupid analogy.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 40 (view)
 
Ft Hood Incident Highlights Dangers of Gun Control
Posted: 11/7/2009 10:32:02 AM


Current numbers. . .

http://www.gun-control-network.org/GCN02.htm


Misleading numbers. Sure, gun crime has decreased, but violent crime has skyrocketed.

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2009/07/uk_is_violent_c.php
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 20 (view)
 
what if he doesnt want to kiss?
Posted: 11/7/2009 10:04:56 AM


hes affectionate in public if hes drunk...


Obviously he's got some kind of inhibition about kissing (maybe he thinks swapping spit is gross). Or maybe you've got bad breath and he can't bring himself to tell you. If he was using you as a sex object I guarantee he'd be kissing you.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 22 (view)
 
23 year old woman without children, and I'm weird?
Posted: 11/7/2009 9:50:56 AM


I'm just curious why many men I have met ask me if I have children, and I say no. Their response is "weird, why not?".

Why am I the odd one for practicing safe sex and being responsible?


You're the odd one because practicing safe sex and being responsible isn't done anymore. I'd say you're pretty weird too, but weird in a good way.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 6 (view)
 
21-post limit on some forums
Posted: 11/7/2009 9:44:58 AM


Because it is easier to stop a train wreck when you limit how far the train can travel.


The same could be said about every forum here.



Topics like:
Does He/She like me?
How do I get a date?
Do I look fat in this?
My Co-worker is hot, what should I do?


We get inane threads like these on every forum. What makes the AAG forums special?
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 69 (view)
 
Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 11/7/2009 1:19:32 AM


Wrong. See above paragraph and see the 9th Amendment, which the founding fathers are saying in essence, 'even if we forgot to put it in, if the people demand it, they get it'.


No, that's not what the 9th says.

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

All this says is that people have rights that are not enumerated in the Constitution.



The USSC found in one case involving the legalization of marijuana in California that the Commerce Clause was impuned because marijuana in California might cross state lines. Thus, Congress had the right to regulate it under the Commerce Clause.


"To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;"

Congress has the power to regulate marijuana as part of commerce between states, but has no power to regulate marijuana use within a state or use for non-commercial purposes among the states. Of course I'm never surprised when the SC misinterprets the Constitution to give more power to the federal government.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 36 (view)
 
Ft Hood Incident Highlights Dangers of Gun Control
Posted: 11/7/2009 12:49:44 AM

Link?. . . or it didn't happen.


http://reason.com/archives/2002/11/01/gun-controls-twisted-outcome



All the stats are per capita. You're setting up impossible criteria.


Per capita is misleading. Per capita crime rates increase with increasing population density, as well as other factors.

http://www.ci.cambridge.ma.us/cpd/reports/1998/factors.html



We have strict gun control laws and similar population diversity. We have much lower PER CAPITA rates of violence. In fact, our biggest problem is sharing a border with a nation that has no real gun control laws.


The US has thousands of gun control laws. Gun control actually leads to higher crime.

http://deepwaterweb.com/gunstudy.htm

The US and Canada don't have similar population densities. Canada has about 9 people per square mile and the US has about 76 people per square mile.

http://geography.about.com/od/populationgeography/a/popdensity.htm
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 103 (view)
 
Your case for/against God.
Posted: 11/7/2009 12:42:48 AM


This tells me that I am to pray Gods will and not that of my own. David wanted his own desires to be the same as the desires of God. If I pray a fleshly prayer for cash or a new car, I dont think God hears these. Jesus on many occasions asked for Gods will and not his own. It is prayers such as these that are heard.


I could pray to a milk jug and get the same results. Any prayer that doesn't get answered is not the will of the milk jug and any prayer that does get answered is the will of the milk jug.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 32 (view)
 
Confused agnostic.
Posted: 11/7/2009 12:39:48 AM


What I've discovered is that most criticisms of religion are usually founded in ignorance of religion, because most people are truly ignorant of religion.


One of the difficulties in any religious debate is that no two religious people can agree on all religious beliefs. So whenever someone makes a point against a religious position religious people will always be able to say "Well I don't believe that to begin with. You're just stereotyping me."
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 25 (view)
 
Ft Hood Incident Highlights Dangers of Gun Control
Posted: 11/6/2009 3:16:11 PM


But again, I ask the question - how come the murder rate is so much lower in countries that have gun control than in the U.S. that doesn't have gun control?


The US has plenty of gun control. There are already thousands of gun control laws on the books.

Even before England banned firearms their violent crime rates were lower. However, violent crime has skyrocketed in England since the ban. For the first time in history their violent crime rates surpass those of the US.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 66 (view)
 
Is It Time to Secede Yet?
Posted: 11/6/2009 2:53:44 PM


Or you could look at it another way, and simply heavily penalize those who hire them? They come because there is a market for their labor. How about attacking the problem at its source??


Nuke Mexico?





Govt Health care is unconstitutional period.


Prove it. Period.


The 10th Amendment. Period.



While I'm not enough of a constitutional scholar to really address this (and I suspect that neither are you), I wonder at this from an admitted secessionist. Hmmmm.... I can just imagine the "states rights" uproar if Washington began REALLY assaulting state privilege when it comes to internal matters such as this.


How is purchasing goods and services across state lines internal? In fact the Constitution explicitely gives Congress the power to regulate interstate commerce.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 135 (view)
 
Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 11/6/2009 2:47:45 PM


Income taxes were actually a temporary method in the beginning to help with the Civil War expenses. Over the years it kept coming back as a way to help with government expenses, and then in the early 1900s it became a permanent fixture of our American way of life.


The income tax originally went away because it was unconstitutional. Fortunately the 16th Amendment was added to the Bill of Rights which granted us the right to pay income tax. So strong is the government's commitment to US citizens exercising this right that any attempt to waive this right is punished with fines, jail, and even death.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 11 (view)
 
Adam and Eve
Posted: 11/6/2009 2:32:00 PM


But, if you can provide Ugarit inscriptions that clearly state that one of the names of the goddess Asherah was Chavah (not Hawwah, as that is only one form of pronunication of semitic languages and therefore unreliable), then you would be really helping me out.


I'll see what I can do. For now I have

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EVE#Name_and_origin
http://home.valornet.com/eldavis/The_Garden.html

but I'll see if I can get something more convincing.


In Hebrew, the word simply means a tree that is worshipped as an idol. Any divine connotation comes from the context of its usage. However, the general usage of the word in the Bible is that it is non-referential, and so there is no reference to any divinity called Asherah at all.


This is debateable. Mark Smith in The Early History of God spends quite a lot of time discussing the issue. IIRC he comes down on the side that the references are to the asherah pole rather than to the goddess herself, yet it seems hard to avoid the conclusion that the asherah pole was connected with the goddess Asherah (who had a variety of names)



I get very worried when you call Canaanite beliefs "a cult". The only times I've heard anyone refer to a cult, was things that everyone believed were complete BS, and that represented a factious minority that brainwashed its members.


I use the term in a more traditional sense rather than the more modern pejorative sense. Sorry for the confusion. But that doesn't mean I don't think it's all complete BS



That suggests to me that you don't have any belief that the claims about Asherah are even valid, and that the polemic is not only justified, but based in reality. That's inconsistent with your views. Did you mean to say religion?


I suppose you could equate my use of the term cult with religion. What I was going for was the religious rituals and beliefs specific to Asherah, rather than the Canaanite religion as a whole.



In Hebrew, the word simply means "strong being". Any divine connotation comes from the context of its usage.


This is probably true in other Semitic languages. In Arabic Allah really means "the god" for instance.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 110 (view)
 
Ex-atheists?
Posted: 11/6/2009 1:34:02 PM


I keep pointing out that if you've never really read the Bible in the English, or skimmed a bit of it once in Hebrew, and then read it, it sounds very plausible, because it reads as if someone really made a huge effort.


I've given considerable time to the reading and study of the Bible (nearly 20 years myself, with about half of that as an atheist). I've stuck to English because I don't speak Greek or Hebrew, however on occassion I've ventured into Greek or Hebrew to investigate a certain point. Even in English the patchwork nature of the Bible is apparent. It's obvious from the first two chapters of the Bible, which contain 2 different accounts of creation. Then you get to the story of Noah and you suddenly realize that there are two accounts. First he had two of each animal coming aboard, then he had two of each unclean and 7 pairs of each clean, even though the laws of ritual cleanliness didn't exist yet. The duration of the flood is inconsistent (40 or 150 days).



Very few people have that level of expertise with the Bible, and still hold by the DH. But there are hundreds of thousands who do have that expertise, an don't think the DH is plausible.


This is inaccurate. Wellhausen did not invent the DH, instead his major contribution was the chronological ordering of J, E, D, and P. His specific proposal has come under fire, but the general proposal of 4 sources plus redactors and editors is alive and well. It still forms the basis of much scholarship in the field. Even researchers who reject the DH still accept that there were multiple sources, various chronological layers, redactions and other editing. The idea that the Pentateuch was written by one man, especially Moses, is dead in the water. Only conservative theologians believe that anymore.
 
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