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 Author Thread: Do pets go to Heaven?
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 83 (view)
 
Do pets go to Heaven?
Posted: 11/24/2008 11:25:56 AM

I believe everything God created goes to Heaven... I was just wondering what other people thought?


What is the basis of your belief that pets are resurrected from the dead?
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Ways To God And Life?
Posted: 11/24/2008 11:17:52 AM
Who will bring you back to life? Who will resurrect you from the dead, and why?
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 30 (view)
 
should a woman be president??
Posted: 11/17/2008 5:21:32 PM
Power is the ability to get another person to do what you intend the person to do.

Authority is the "right" to use power.

Matthew 28: 18-20
And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying:

"All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU..."

That means that Jesus has the "right" to use unlimited power.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 12 (view)
 
The Church vs The Bible how do we pick?
Posted: 11/17/2008 5:07:46 PM
I don't think Christ followed the institution or the bible.


Matthew 4:3-4
And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Deuteronomy 8:3
And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

**********

Matthew 4:5-7
Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

Deuteronomy 6:16
Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.

**********

Matthew 4:8
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Deuteronomy 10:20
Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God; him shalt thou serve, and to him shalt thou cleave, and swear by his name.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 82 (view)
 
God Delusion
Posted: 10/20/2008 5:02:01 PM

Your not supposed to put faith in Dawkins (or anyone or anything),


No thanks. I'm not going to listen to you, either.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 59 (view)
 
Why is Heaven considered more desirable than Earth?
Posted: 10/19/2008 3:30:16 PM
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Matt. 5:5 - NASV)

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. (Matt. 5:7 - NASV)

But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells. (2 Peter 3:13 - NASV)
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 20 (view)
 
Christianity
Posted: 10/13/2008 3:48:36 PM
it didnt matter that he had just completely denied his faith, God and Jesus via blasphemy - a mortal sin written and feared since the days of Moses.


You're right about it being a mortal sin feared since the days of Moses. It may not matter to the one who becomes a non-believer (or shows lack of faith), but it matters to God. According to scripture, God got even.

Now I desire to put you in remembrance, though ye know all things once for all, that the Lord, having saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. (Jude 1:5 - AKJV )

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23 - NASV)
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 18 (view)
 
Christianity
Posted: 10/8/2008 7:44:05 AM

Mortal sins in Catholic theology include missing Sunday Mass


Where is it written that it is a mortal sin? Isn't that your opinion?
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 17 (view)
 
Christianity
Posted: 10/8/2008 7:43:45 AM

Mortal sins in Catholic theology include missing Sunday Mass


Where is it written that it is a mortal sin? Isn't that your opinion?
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 74 (view)
 
God Delusion
Posted: 9/29/2008 2:11:22 PM

Dawkins is also saner than Jesus as he doesn't say all of his generation are "evil" and that only "god" is "good".


In my opinion, there is big difference between Dawkins and Jesus. The former does not claim to be a savior or to hold the keys to death and hades. The latter claims those things.

I will not put my faith in Dawkins. Honestly, he doesn't have any thing to offer.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 66 (view)
 
Why Doesn't God Heal Amputees?
Posted: 9/29/2008 1:38:26 PM

.........for instance; when JC was apprehended by the pharasees, there was a brief struggle in which Peter cut off the ear of one of the guards....though this was not an arm or leg, it was certainly a traumatic 'amputation' of a certain part of the body!........the amputee did not: fall on his knees in prayer for restoration, nor did he in anyway demonstrate an enormous leap in faith..........yet, JC picked up the amputated ear and performed supernatural plastic surgery without being asked!


So the guard suffered an injustice when Peter cut his ear off. Jesus fixed the ambutation but isn't there more to the story than a healing?

Didn't Jesus command Peter to put his sword away? Jesus said: "Those who take the sword will perish by the sword."
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 53 (view)
 
Why Doesn't God Heal Amputees?
Posted: 9/22/2008 2:50:47 PM
Is there something about healing or the human body that prevents a regrowth of a limb?


romanticoptimist,

I have never heard of the regrowth of a limb, but the area gets healed. Same with a tooth that is extracted or knocked out. The gum heals but the tooth is gone forever.

It seems to me that the hope in this life is the body to come in the next. This will occur at the resurrection.

********

The Body is the icon of the Holy Spirit.

He is the image of the invisible God... (Colossians 1:15 - NASV)

With him I speak mouth to mouth, Even openly, and not in dark sayings, And he beholds the form of the LORD. (Numbers 12:8 - NASV)

Moses beheld that icon long ago, and if you want to believe it, he beheld it again at the transfiguration.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 143 (view)
 
Christianity and equality
Posted: 9/14/2008 12:28:29 PM
“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.” (John 14:7 - NASV)

They wanted to see the Father.

Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’ (John 14: 8, 9 - NASV)

For them, it was all about: "Well, if I see it, then I'll believe it" type of thinking.

Edited to say that they couldn't see the Father dwelling in the Son.

“Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves. (John 14: 11 - NASV)

 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 141 (view)
 
Christianity and equality
Posted: 9/14/2008 11:59:52 AM

I also want to make it very clear. I have not said anything about "personal" beliefs ever. you could believe anything you want I couldn't care less. It is the propagation of belief where i have the issue...


This is the conflict of interest that people have with those who believe Jesus. He told his disciples to "Go" and make disciples of people of all nations. This is accomplished by talking to people.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 125 (view)
 
Christianity and equality
Posted: 9/13/2008 8:39:59 AM

do you think its possible to have an open and honest debate about beliefs and religions?


Here is how debate is defined by Merriam-Webster:


a contention by words or arguments: as

(a) the formal discussion of a motion before a deliberative body according to the rules of parliamentary procedure

(b) a regulated discussion of a proposition between two matched sides


I can confess my beliefs and why I believe. You can confess your beliefs and why you believe.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 120 (view)
 
Christianity and equality
Posted: 9/12/2008 7:29:01 PM
Crazylilting,

Here is what you wrote in message 109

I didn't ask about your belief system, i asked if you see others in spite of different beliefs are equal to you. I used to be a christian...


Then you write this in message 119

How do you get that i lost my faith? That assumes that there is something to believe in. Which i don't believe there is and since no one can prove that jesus even existed i doubt there is anyone to pick a bone with.


What shall I conclude from the above quotes? What would romanticoptimist or candyman or Ameerra (okay, we'll leave Ameerra out of it) think about your claim to not have lost your faith? Or are you saying that you never had faith to begin with and yet claimed to be a Christian at some time in the past?

Then you wrote this is message 119

The reason i ask Christian's are the only religious people i have ever known that would make an issue out of not believing in god.


God makes an issue of faith.

Now I want to remind you, even though you are fully aware of these things, that the Lord who once saved his people from the land of Egypt later destroyed those who did not believe. (Jude 1: 5)

What was the consequence for those of God's people that disbelieved, and what did God want his people to become?

Moses went up to God, and the LORD called to him from the mountain, saying, "Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob and tell the sons of Israel: 'You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles' wings, and brought you to Myself. 'Now then, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be My own possession among all the peoples, for all the earth is Mine; and you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' (Exodus 19: 3-6)

To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood— and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen. (Rev. 1: 5,6)
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 130 (view)
 
Why Do Atheists Get Such A Bad rap?
Posted: 9/12/2008 5:24:37 AM

I understand that I'm in the minority but atheism is not synonymous with being a bad person. I am considered a very likable, kind and compassionate person who enjoys helping others when I can but the second I mention that I'm an atheist....DONE.


Christians may wonder if you are interested in doing the works of God:

Therefore they said to Him, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?" Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent." (John 6: 28, 29)


Just because I don't believe in a God...


But Christians see this as the basis of judgement:

Words of the Apostle John
"For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God." (John 3: 17-21)

Words of Christ
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life." (John 5: 24)
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 38 (view)
 
Can Anyone Prove Scientifically That The Being Called God Exists?
Posted: 9/12/2008 4:32:02 AM
Well, I can't prove to you that God exists in a scientific sense. Nevertheless, I have faith that God exists:

By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible... And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him. (Hebrews 11: 3, 6)
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 117 (view)
 
Christianity and equality
Posted: 9/11/2008 6:40:09 PM
I didn't ask about your belief system, i asked if you see others in spite of different beliefs are equal to you.


Equal in what way? I see people. I know they believe someone or in some things. Some people "have" faith in Jesus. Some people do not. Those who believe Jesus are different from those who do not believe him. In that sense believers are not equal with non-believers. Both are sinners. The difference is that believers know about and admit sin, whereas non-believers do not and often do not see themselves as having any need to be redeemed from death.


I don't think a personal belief in anything is wrong if it is simply that, a personal belief that one keeps to themselves unless someone asks about it.


Oh, I get it. You have lost your faith, and now, because Christians talk about the faith to others it bothers you and you prefer that they say nothing unless asked. Well, all I can say is that you have a bone to pick with Jesus on that one.

So I really don't know what your question is, or why you chose to target your question at those who believe Jesus (Christian faith).

Why didn't you word it like this:

If you are a Muslim...
If you are a non-Muslim...

Edited to say: I think you and candyman should go out on a date.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 108 (view)
 
Christianity and equality
Posted: 9/11/2008 5:02:55 AM

One of the things that has been bothering me whilst trying to have an open discussion with any Christian is not feeling as though they see me as an equal.


What do you want? Do you expect a person to drop Christian thought (bible based) and accept your teachings or path to enlightenment?

It has become evident that anytime a person presents "scripture" for the basis of their belief, it is nothing more to you than "regurgitated trash".
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 98 (view)
 
Christianity and equality
Posted: 9/10/2008 4:46:20 AM
One of the things that has been bothering me whilst trying to have an open discussion with any Christian is not feeling as though they see me as an equal. Even being told by some that I am not. Some will say yes we are all human and skirt around the question so here it is:


Why don't you come right out and state what you believe (faith) so a person can start a conversation with you. What specifically do you want to discuss? What issues? Equality? Justice? Christians don't love? What do you want to discuss? Alternative belief systems? Other Gods?


A person who understands human rights and those of children in particular would understand the difference between teaching and indoctrination


Indoctrination means to instruct in a body of doctrine or principles. And what is wrong with Christian doctrine?

and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. (2 Timothy 3:15)


This clearly infringes on the rights of children, and if you condone that then your attitude and beliefs speak for themselves.


Is your post all about kid control?
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 75 (view)
 
If God/Jesus Returns, How Will You Know It's Him?
Posted: 9/8/2008 12:33:07 PM
Perhaps after the bread and wine is transubstantiated during Mass the real presence of Christ has occurred.

What did he really say?

This is my body.
This is my blood.

While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, "Take and eat; this is my body."

And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

"What, therefore, if YOU should behold the Son of man ascending to where he was before? It is the spirit that is life-giving; the flesh is of no use at all. The sayings that I have spoken to YOU are spirit and are life."
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 71 (view)
 
If God/Jesus Returns, How Will You Know It's Him?
Posted: 9/8/2008 10:18:30 AM
I got the idea for this thread while reading some others and the comments therein.

It perplexes me, being an atheist. After so many have claimed to be the second coming of Christ, etc, how will you know when the "real" one IS the real one (if it were to happen in your lifetime)?


Jesus comes to believers.

"And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate to be with you always, the Spirit of truth, which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it. But you know it, because it remains with you, and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you. In a little while the world will no longer see me, but you will see me, because I live and you will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father and you are in me and I in you. Whoever has my commandments and observes them is the one who loves me. And whoever loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and reveal myself to him."

Judas, not the Iscariot, said to him, "Master, (then) what happened that you will reveal yourself to us and not to the world?" Jesus answered and said to him, "Whoever loves me will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our dwelling with him." (John 14: 16-23)
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 44 (view)
 
When Is A Mistake Unforgivable?
Posted: 9/8/2008 5:16:38 AM

At first I was shocked at the anger but upon reflection, I saw that I had been out of line criticizing all these things I had been concerned about and in the light of day, they were not that big a deal.


Right. They were not that big a deal.


I could have addressed these issues face to face, one at a time instead of an avalanche of complaints.


Right. But why come forth too soon with a spirit of complaint?


When I saw the error of my ways, I apologized via email, voice mail and no response. I continued to apologize for the next two days and still no response.


Was he busy?


I understand he has an ego, and he is upset and he is a policeman, but when does a mistake become unforgivable?


Let me tell you something about police officers. They are called upon to deal with some of the most impossible people in this world. As a police officer, he does not need to come home to address more "complaints". His job is to address "complaints" while he is at work. He doesn't want to address them when he comes home. When a person has stepped out of bound and broken the law, his job is to go after the person and "charge them" with breaking the law and perhaps deprive that person of liberty (arrest), which in turn inhibits the person from stepping out of bound again. He simply does not need to "read" or "hear" and address another "complaint" after work hours. Do you get that?
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 29 (view)
 
What ever happened to courtship?
Posted: 9/7/2008 6:19:33 PM
Chilvalry has died!


I tend to agree with this statement.

The problem with the knights in shinning armor of the medieval period was that they all grew old and lost their strength. And so the reality about heroism set in. The hero died.

I hate heroism because it is a bunch of BS.


Courtship and Cupid are dead...and I wasn't the person who killed either of them!


No one killed them and they did not die. The truth is that symbols are an illusion and are never the reality. You can't maintain symbols forever but they do have a pointing function.

Symbols are never the reality, because as the saying goes: You have never walked in my shoes, and I have never walked in yours.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Is a partner's medical history important to you?
Posted: 9/7/2008 3:47:38 PM

Sometimes I wonder if I get married and my wife dies of cancer at a young age (like her mom or pop did), I'd be left to raise our kids and I'd have to deal with the pain and loss of the woman I loved.


Well, the only way to go through a pain free life is never take a risk and get married, or have a relationship in which you love a woman. But when you feel love for someone, you will not be afraid.

The truth is that any and all relationships will end someday. Your parents will pass away, some of your friends will go before you, and some of your siblings will lie down to rest from this life.

And knowing that that is the truth, you can maintain a sense of freedom in any and all situations that involves you and another person. Be willing to "let go" of everything for The Truth so you can find your life.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 94 (view)
 
Christianity and equality
Posted: 9/7/2008 6:02:00 AM
I never heard what Siddhārtha Gautama said.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 92 (view)
 
Christianity and equality
Posted: 9/7/2008 5:17:00 AM
If you are a Christian can you see everyone else's faith and Religion equal to your own?


“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber. But he who enters by the door is a shepherd of the sheep. To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice. A stranger they simply will not follow, but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers.”...

“Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.” (John 10: 1-5, 7-10)
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Once Upon A Time.... write minimum of 2 sentences, maximum of 4.
Posted: 9/6/2008 7:28:13 AM
Once Upon A Time.... There was this lovely lady waiting to be discovered.

She stood late one evening in front of this nightclub waiting on her girlfriend so she didn't go in alone. She watched behind her shaded glasses looking at each person as they walked by and entered the club.

Will this be a night wasted or will she find that perfect someone that will make her evening out to be enjoyable?


And finally, she saw him approach. His gait complimented her anticipation, and his tall, eloquent figure unveiled her desire to connect. She removed her shades, and their eyes met. Her body slumped in surrender and acceptance.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 33 (view)
 
God Delusion
Posted: 9/4/2008 4:41:12 AM

From what I've read, Dawkins (the author) is basically saying that we'd all be better off with no religion, that it's really a big con and a delusion, that in order to really be free as people we should give up on all religions.


We are from God; he who knows God listens to us; he who is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error. (1 John 4:6)
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Insecurity Issues
Posted: 9/4/2008 4:06:11 AM

(had enough experience on here where people make assumptions based on profiles and previous posts and instead of sharing opinions on the forum start attacking OP and give deep analysis into the OP character flaws).


Speaking about assumptions, why do you assume that people want to have casual sex with you? (going by what you wrote in your profile)
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 7 (view)
 
What do you do When No One can See or Hear you?
Posted: 9/3/2008 8:41:38 AM

What do you do.. when you're all alone and no one can see or hear you?


When I'm alone, I enjoy the natural sights and sounds around me. I think about things...how short this life is...70 or 80 years...but mostly, I just enjoy being alive.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 44 (view)
 
What is with the must not be married ???
Posted: 9/3/2008 5:28:42 AM

My understanding is this:
Single=never married
married= married
separated= still legally married - either in the process of divorcing or will never divorce or don't know if will divorce - in a nutshell, get your sh*t together before you bring someone else into your life.
divorced= legally divorced (legally not married anymore)
widowed= spouse died while legally married to you.

I don't know if I've missed any.


I think you hit every nail on the head. That has always been my understanding, too. I think your equivalents (= sign) are the correct ones.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 17 (view)
 
Lies and deceit! Why?
Posted: 9/3/2008 5:22:02 AM

I met a guy


Chorus: "She met a guyyyyyyyyyy!"


he wanted to see me


Chorus: "He wanted to see herrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"


he is still fishing...


Chorus: "He went fishing againnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn"


Is he lieing?


Chorus: "The truth will be knownnnnnnnnnn"
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 218 (view)
 
Would you open you marriage to save it?
Posted: 9/2/2008 5:14:23 AM

It's usually best to let people live the way they choose as they allow others to live as they choose.


And he saith unto me, Seal not up the words of the prophecy of this book; for the time is at hand.

He that is unrighteous, let him do unrighteousness still: and he that is filthy, let him be made filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him do righteousness still: and he that is holy, let him be made holy still.
(Revelation 22: 10, 11)
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 123 (view)
 
Jehovah's Witnesses
Posted: 9/1/2008 3:09:54 PM
I learned everything I know about God through personal bible study and prayer, Jehovah's Witnesses, and the Magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church.

Disciples do their work in the name of the Big Three: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Magisterium refers to this three as the Unity of the Trinity. Jehovah's Witnesses do not know the name of the Holy Spirit. But nevertheless, they can count to three and claim to baptize in the name of at least three.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 21 (view)
 
Contradiction: The Pursuit. When does it end?
Posted: 9/1/2008 1:19:09 PM
What are you suggesting I do?


Be patient.
Enjoy the fact that you are alive.
Don't worry too much about your relationship with her.
Enjoy the air that you breathe.
Take a deep breath and enjoy your being-ness.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 203 (view)
 
Would you open you marriage to save it?
Posted: 9/1/2008 12:48:24 PM


This is another assertion without any basis in fact. There is no evidence that humans are psychologically and emotionally geared toward being monogamous....


Humans have a proclivity for sin. Or are you saying that you are without "sin"?


Marriage is a practice that continues today as the result of continued social pressure fed by religious traditions and given special status through specific rights and protections guaranteed by the state.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 199 (view)
 
Would you open you marriage to save it?
Posted: 9/1/2008 4:41:47 AM

If done correctly and with complete honesty, open marriages/relationships can be beautiful and liberating.


Liberate from what?
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 50 (view)
 
Just what is a hypocrite anyways?
Posted: 8/31/2008 5:53:19 PM

I have been on here for almost 4 years and have constantly seen people write that they do not go to Church because of the hypocrites.


Church means the ones called out of the world. Are they saying they don't meet with the ones called out of the world?


On another thread I suggested that hypocrisy and spirituality go together as none of us can live up to our ideals. I probably was off on that one.


Yes you were.


Obviously the Minister who preaches to be faithful to your wife but he is fooling around with the Church organist would be a definite hypocrite.


Right.


But if I claim to believe what the Bible says, yet fail to live up to it, even though I try, does that make me a hypocrite?


People confess sin. But if you are born from God, you will not practice sin.

No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1 John 3:9)
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 5 (view)
 
How to find true relationship happiness
Posted: 8/31/2008 3:55:18 PM

I don't want to try and preach or convert anyone, but he is a born again Christian and also led me back to Christ when I was lost.


Are you saying that he is the Way, the Truth, and the Life?
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 189 (view)
 
Would you open you marriage to save it?
Posted: 8/31/2008 3:37:27 PM
They are not divorced. They are happy and married. It is tough to argue with the facts on the ground.



They allow each other to "cheat" twice a month under strict conditions.



Imagine you really love your marriage partner but for whatever reason the marriage was not working.

 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 18 (view)
 
Residency requirements and dating.
Posted: 8/31/2008 7:07:06 AM

I was wondering if anyone has every had to deal with this problem? I am required to live in my town because I am a town worker. Under my contract, I must live here for 15 years before I am able to move away. I have 5 more years to go before I reach this point.


Well, it sounds like you have a good deal and a good job. I have often thought about my job and how it might affect potential relationships. While I'm free to leave anytime I want, I nevertheless enjoy employee protection under section 13(c) of the Federal Transit Act. And I like that because it means the U.S. Congress has stepped in (Urban Mass Transportation Act of 1964) and provided protection for those who work in this field.

I like job security. I don't think it would be wise for me to just up and leave my job and move somewhere else because of current economic conditions. I see a local relationship working out for me rather than a long-distance relationship. I'm strictly speaking from a practical point of view. I can't pack up and take my job with me anywhere I want to go. I have to report to work at a certain time. On the other hand, there might be a woman out there who has her own business that she can take with her anywhere she goes.

So in the end, it all boils down to what is practical and what is doable and what will work out for both. So residency requirements do affect dating and a relationship, for good or bad. It all depends on so many factors.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Pick one: Love or respect
Posted: 8/31/2008 6:27:53 AM

I think you must have both, but it got me to think, if I had to choose one, which would it be? which would you choose? please explain.


I didn't read the other posters thoughts on this subject yet, but I will. But my gut reaction and thoughts are this:

Disrespect demonstrates a lack of love for the other person, whether that person be God, your mate, revealed standards, etc.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 175 (view)
 
Would you open you marriage to save it?
Posted: 8/31/2008 6:00:18 AM

I dont know if I could handle that...but on the other hand, I am not sure if today's society actually supports monogomous marriage either.


Two people agree to be monogamous, and they are the one's who give support to each other. Why would a couple need outside help to support their decision to be monogamous?
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 9 (view)
 
Never make a person your all?
Posted: 8/31/2008 5:40:46 AM
One of the main problems I have noticed is that one person in a relationship (couple) at some point no longer feels accountable to the other. When that occurs, the relationship tends to deteriorate. Perhaps it was never **you and me** to begin with -- when one started to make changes to be with the other person -- but was **it's all about me** from the get go.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 173 (view)
 
Would you open you marriage to save it?
Posted: 8/31/2008 5:02:34 AM
"Screwing around while married...to someone is a sign of an unhealthy relationship," and, because one of the two screws around means one partner has broken the marriage vow since the other has already disapproved of that kind of behavior.


If a married person does not care about the thoughts, feelings, emotions, safety, and commitment to the person to whom he/she is married along with the ramifications of one's own behavior, why get married to the person in the first place?

But some will say: "I don't care what the other person feels or thinks!"

Fine! I too know the meaning of f**k you!
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 14 (view)
 
Men afraid of titles
Posted: 8/30/2008 10:28:20 AM
Titles have to do with "possession" of a person in some way, and possibly claiming territory is some way. Notice how people will say: This is **my**...She is **my**...He is **my**...and so on.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 165 (view)
 
Would you open you marriage to save it?
Posted: 8/30/2008 5:47:11 AM

I know a older couple (in their 50's) with an interesting dynamic in their marriage. They allow each other to "cheat" twice a month under strict conditions...

Would you open your marriage (with strict rules and conditions) in order to save it?


Are you kidding about "strict rules and conditions"?

MINISTER TO GROOM:

Do you GROOM'S NAME take BRIDE'S NAME to be your wife – to live together after God’s ordinance – in the holy estate of matrimony? Will you love her, comfort her, honor and keep her, in sickness and in health, for richer, for poorer, for better, for worse, in sadness and in joy, to cherish and continually bestow upon her your heart’s deepest devotion, forsaking all others, keep yourself only unto her as long as you both shall live?


GROOM:

Well, maybe. But if things don't work out the way I vowed, can I go with the open/marriage scenario?

MINISTER GIVES THE GROOM ONE GOOD SLAP ACROSS THE FACE AND GROOM TURNS THE OTHER CHEEK.


MINISTER TO BRIDE:

Do you BRIDE'S NAME) take GROOM'S NAME to be your husband – to live together after God’s ordinance – in the holy estate of matrimony? Will you love him, comfort him, honor and keep him, in sickness and in health, for richer, for poorer, for better, for worse, in sadness and in joy, to cherish and continually bestow upon him your heart’s deepest devotion, forsaking all others, keep yourself only unto him as long as you both shall live?

Well, maybe. But if things don't work out the way I vowed, can I go with the open/marriage scenario?

MINISTER HOLDS UP THE BIBLE AND FANS ITS PAGES UPON BRIDE UNTIL THE HOLY SPIRIT "CUMS" ALL OVER HER FACE.
 callwilliam2
Joined: 6/4/2005
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Would you want to know? What do you think about this?
Posted: 8/29/2008 9:51:31 AM

To me, when someone is able to talk about his ex without getting too emotional or angry, it shows that he is over her and is ready to move on. I hold this same belief about myself.

I'd like to hear other people's view on the matter


Well, your new relationship is about you and he. So why is it really necessary for you to bring up his past or for you to inquire about it? Or do you really accept him just as he is?
 
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