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 Author Thread: One third of older women date younger men
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 407 (view)
 
One third of older women date younger men
Posted: 11/22/2009 12:34:43 PM
I've only had a relationship with one guy older than me. All the rest have been from 4-10 years younger. Thing is, they have more energy and overall zip and zest for life - like me! And, really, once you're past 30, even 10 years isn't a huge difference in age.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 177 (view)
 
Oh, its to soon to have sex... yah, blah, blah, blaw
Posted: 11/22/2009 8:45:11 AM

For me, sexual arousal and desire comes from WHO the man is, not his penis; it is his character, integrity, personality, sense o’ humor et al, in combination with our mutual adoration that is the TURN ON. It is the INTERRELATING dynamic that is the HEART of the relationship, not the COITUS. This dynamic cannot be developed without taking the time to get to know one another.

Quoted for truth. Which is why sex as mere recreation is not nearly as enjoyable - to the point that it's just not worth it.

But, again, I'm always glad to see the opinions of people like Garyizzanut - clearly someone like that would get dropped immediately from 'possible' status and kicked to the curb. I'd prefer to hear the truth - helps with the elimination process.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 28 (view)
 
Communicating every day
Posted: 11/22/2009 12:06:45 AM

Some people are just more passionate than others, that is all!


I don't get the 'lone wolves' of the world. I drink chocolate milk every day. Have done since I was a kid. Enjoy it every time. If I enjoy something, I continue to enjoy it. It takes a fair bit for me to overdose.

It sounds like a lot of people just barely tolerate others in their lives; even others they supposedly like. Maybe it's because I'm an only child, but I like having people around and like human contact. I thought I might be too independent to spend lots of time with someone but I married someone with whom I shared pretty much all tastes so we spent a lot of time together - and I never got tired of it.

I am also quite capable of living on my own and have done so for years at a time so it's nothing to do with 'clingy' or 'needy'. I just enjoy the company of another human around - so when I'm in a relationship, I enjoy frequent contact.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 71 (view)
 
You're 'not ready for a relationship'? What does that mean?
Posted: 11/21/2009 3:07:33 PM
Everybody's POV has been very interesting! If people are still writing, I'm still reading :)
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 23 (view)
 
On professionals and commitment (interesting one)
Posted: 11/21/2009 2:40:04 PM
The same characteristics which would help someone reach for, and attain, a professional position are useful in marriage. Being committed to the task, making good decisions, perseverance - all these things will help someone be successful in both areas.

I have worked in science departments - every man was married, most long-term. I'd have dated any one of several of them; they were all bright, interesting, and ethical. They clearly had made good choices in marriage and were capable of sustaining their happy marriages. I was sort of sorry I'd not met any of their sort when I was in school.

All the men are married where I work now, as well. Again, these are well-educated men who are still happy with the women they chose when they were much younger.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 29 (view)
 
Permanently stuck in a rut
Posted: 11/20/2009 8:08:34 AM
Sounds like you're missing the 'click' that happens when conversation flows easily, you laugh at the same things, and enjoy the commonalities you find. So what happens on the dates? What do you do? What do you talk about? Do you wield your 'politically incorrect' wit? (not everybody goes for that).

I'd check to see if there's a dating coach/service in town - somebody who'll go out with you and tell you what's going on. Could be that you're just smarter than the average bear and you keep running into women who aren't your equal in that regard. Or could be the way you relate.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 50 (view)
 
The wind is freaking me out.......
Posted: 11/20/2009 7:42:40 AM
I actually like the wind - all wild and exciting, it is. I do tend to be a little leery of walking - and, sometimes, even driving - when it's really bad. I once saw a street sign just about to rip off its post on Douglas during a real bad windstorm.

As one comedian says: 'It's not that the wind is blowing; it's what the wind's blowing that's the problem'.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Depression
Posted: 11/20/2009 7:34:38 AM
She is making new friends and hanging out with the people around her. She's fine - that's what people do in a new place, especially at university.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 84 (view)
 
Second (or Third or. . . ) Time Around
Posted: 11/19/2009 8:27:38 AM

No, no, no Luv2Ski. You clearly have not been reading the forums, or if you have, you just have not paid any attention. The way it works is you set up a pile of requirement, barriers, restrictions and hoops to be jumped, freeze your own personality and needs in hardened concrete, then sit back and wait until the perfect partner falls into your lap.




You don't want or should have the need to work at a relationship. It should happen naturally...

Bull. Relationships need kindness, consideration, forgiveness, thoughtfulness. Unless you're a saint, there are days when you're not feeling any of those; days when you're too tired, or sick, or just plain lazy. The 'work' you need to do is to make your lazy/crabby/whatever self behave better than you are. Wrestle the grumpiness so you don't snap at the SO. Make the effort to do whatever special thing you usually do but are just feeling too tired to do. Take the time, even if you're beat, to be sure you've let SO known how you appreciate him/her.

If you think you can just be whatever unpleasant thing you happen to be whenever you happen to be it and that you ought to be accepted for it (i.e. do no work), then you're not a person who should be in a relationship. Yes, you do make allowances for each other's bad days, but you ought not make allowances for your own or expect allowances for your own.

So, I'm sorry, but you absolutely should want/need to do the work of a relationship. Should it feel like 'effort'? Most of the time it won't because you're happy to do it - but there will always be days when it is an effort just because you're weary - and that's not the relationship's fault. Those are the days that you do, indeed, need to 'work'.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 98 (view)
 
aging moustache
Posted: 11/19/2009 7:34:29 AM
I have always found men with moustaches attractive. I love salt-and-pepper Guys who have gone grey prematurely look awesome. I'm not anti-hair; I happen to think that all that fuzz defines 'masculine'; so the more, the merrier I've never not liked the 'silver fox' look.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 121 (view)
 
Sweet guy, low income OR abusive guy, high income
Posted: 11/18/2009 10:09:10 PM
My fondest wish is that every thread ever written on every forum everywhere about the mythical 'nice' guy scorned for the mythical (insert pejorative here) guy would disappear, thereby removing the largest pool of whiny BS that has ever existed.

Bottom line, the 'nice' guy usually has no idea that/why he's not that 'nice' at all and he's too self-adoring to realize the so-called 'jerk' has a couple thousand better characteristics. If you weren't jealous, you'd think him a great guy.

BORING!
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 47 (view)
 
Will you'all never get it???
Posted: 11/18/2009 12:47:31 PM

Man pulls away because otherwise the woman will not chase him.

Got news for ya. Games are for kids. Pull away - get lost and stay away. You wanna go? Begone. Give me an adult, not a kid who thinks games are fun. If that's what the OP's guy is up to, she's better to be done with him.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 26 (view)
 
Dumped/Back together advice ???
Posted: 11/18/2009 8:25:22 AM

Should a guy go back into a relationship after being dumped?

Well, if he's dumped because he told her he didn't love her, it's hardly being 'dumped'; rather, it's being 'given up on'. There are plenty of people who wouldn't dump their SOs if things would only change. In your case, things have changed - and you, who were the problem, have done the changing.

I agree with the others who said you shouldn't be whining about 'cheating' and 'trust'. She gave up on you and decided to maybe look for someone who would become emotionally attached. This isn't about 'trusting' her, it's about understanding that you can't give somebody zero and expect her to wait for you forever.

I think you're kinda selfish. You give the gal crumbs for a year and then expect her to stay home alone pining for you until you decide that maybe you're a grownup and can actually return some affection

Ask yourself whether you have grown enough to be a good partner to her instead of whether she deserves your 'trust'.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 131 (view)
 
Has your Adult ADD ruined/sabotaged relationships?
Posted: 11/14/2009 11:33:47 AM

And I'm telling you, there are MILLIONS of people who hop on disease bandwagons

Oh really. Kindly furnish proof.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 126 (view)
 
Has your Adult ADD ruined/sabotaged relationships?
Posted: 11/14/2009 8:43:15 AM

And also that people who DO claim these disorders do it to give themselves a pass on personal responsibility--this last is the crux of MY argument: that people "claim" these disorders as their own so that they then CAN say, "Hey, look at me I have ADD, I don't need to pay attention! I can be crap at my job! It's medical!"[/quoote]
I understand that that is your claim, and I call BS. I know there's a lot of people who, like Krebby, will find ONE instance of bad behaviour and use that to tar everyone. And I think that's shameful and wrong. Until you know FOR SURE that somebody's a malingerer, you have no right to be judge, jury, and executioner - in short, deciding for yourself that they are liars.

Whatever happened to people being fair? To finding out what's true before you assume the worst of someone? There may be the odd person who will try to pretend illness to get out of things, but that is NOT the norm, so to assume that people saying they have ADD are malingerers is just wrong. Again, 4% of people is a LOT of humans. Do you get that?
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 113 (view)
 
Has your Adult ADD ruined/sabotaged relationships?
Posted: 11/13/2009 9:06:06 AM

What is the medical test for ADD?

What is the medical test for schizophrenia? Depression? Bipolar disease? Ever heard of 'psychology' or 'psychiatry'? You might wish to look them up.


Most of the information is gathered "through clinical interviews". Meaning, SUBJECTIVE analysis, with most of the input from YOU, the "sufferer" of the "disease".

See, if you could be bothered to inform yourself at all, you'd understand the difference between 'clinical interview' and 'just chatting'. And that is NOT the only way it is diagnosed. You - and anyone - can find the clinical guidelines for diagnosis at any medical association's site - including the guidelines for 'differential diagnosis' (basically, figuring out what other conditions could cause the same symptoms and ruling them out)/


Really, you don't think people proudly proclaim their conditions? Do a search on Asperger's (hey, look, another one where there is NO MEDICAL TEST) JUST on PoF, see how many men claim to have it--there was a fairly recent one where the guy even said he'd not been officially diagnosed, he read on the internet how his symptoms fit the disorder (and, yes, posters lambasted him for it). And then see all of you claiming ADD.

That would be because they HAVE the conditions. About 4-6% of people have ADD - so that's four out of every hundred; not an insignificant amount. Of the millions of POF members, there will be many thousand with ADD.


r when chronic fatique syndrome was diagnosed all the time? You don't hear people talking about it or claiming it any more.

Whether or not you happen to hear (from heaven only knows where) people 'talking about' these conditions does not mean they don't exist. And, were you to be paying attention to medical research news, you'd know that, as a matter of fact, there has been recent research news about it. Here's an article from Wednesday
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/giving/12SICK.html


ey go bug the doctor because they can't concentrate, and since doctors aren't immune to the media, they go, "Oh, ok, you have AADD, here's your drug." I already said that some people actually DO have these conditions, but I said I doubt MOST of the people who claim it have actually been diagnosed.
Well, tell you what. You go meet some of these people you think are faking it. Live with them for a while. Then you tell me whether you still think they're faking it.


I also wonder about "fibromyalgia"--seems to me it's the same thing as "getting old". Middle-aged women with sore muscles and some fatigue.

Nice. Well, tell ya what. Maybe Karma will see fit to demonstrate to you what all this 'getting old' business is all about. Then, I suspect, you'll, finally 'get it'.


I grew up around people who were diagnosed by The Mayo Clinic as having ADD. I saw them routinely concentrate on what they wanted to concentrate on. It does not take a medical degree to reach the conclusion which fits. If there were anything to ADD, such people would NOT be able to concentrate on what they wanted to....but they do.

Again, if you'd bother to use the two eyeballs God gave you to read, you would quickly learn that ADD is NOT just inability to focus, but rather inability to focus on routine things combined with HYPERFOCUS on things which do interest them. Your sad little 'theory' isn't rooted in anything scientific or medical; just based on a pitiful lack of knowledge. Again, you should be embarrassed to demonstrate how little you know.

What's particularly pathetic is that you have the Internet right before you. You could, if you so chose, read the APA and AMA and CMA and any other medical association's information about these disorders. But, no. You think you know something so why would you ever take the time to educate yourself? People who can't be bothered to learn - in this day in age - it's pitiful, really.



 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 107 (view)
 
Has your Adult ADD ruined/sabotaged relationships?
Posted: 11/13/2009 7:20:51 AM

Much like honest politicians, military intelligence, and perpetual motion, ADD is a myth. It does not exist. If you are hyperactive to any degree it is because you consume too much salt.

Oh. My. God. This is IT! The Scientific Breakthrough which has eluded thousands of physicians, psychiatrists, neuropsychiatrists, and every other health professional around the world! Give the man a Nobel!

[/extreme sarcasm]

You should be embarrassed to flaunt that amount of ignorance publicly.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 97 (view)
 
Has your Adult ADD ruined/sabotaged relationships?
Posted: 11/12/2009 6:06:57 PM
What barbyanne2 said!

Tiger,

I had one buddy that was spaced out in every physics/math class because he was so gifted in those areas that he was already doing relativistic physics when others were still trying to figure out Newton's basic Laws of Motion... Did he have ADD, or was he simply a bright kid too bored to slow down to the common student level?

Um. Professionals don't just look at someone who's very active and immediately diagnose ADD. There is a protocol for diagnosis, you know.



Would you also care to take me over your knee and educate me further?

One would hope that you did not decide that your education was complete once you left school and that you're taking pains to educate your own self. I gave you the resources; if you choose to bypass them, big woo. As for the Quackwatch article, why, exactly would you think that 'number of reads' = 'validity'? The two don't correlate. I read the article - and dismissed it as utter BS; as, no doubt, have most other readers who take the time to do proper research.



I VERY much doubt that all of the people who claim they have them actually DO have them.

Right! Because regular normal people would far rather claim to have a mental ailment than be known as regular and normal.
Honestly, where do people like you come up with such inanities? I have never known someone who wanted to be known as having a mental ailment. On the contrary, people who are suffering with these conditions ( or any other mental ailment) very often avoid getting such diagnoses (see the OP) because they DON'T want to be known as having an ailment of the brain.

 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 404 (view)
 
I Don't Need A Man.., I very Independent..etc etc = RED Flags?
Posted: 11/12/2009 5:56:42 PM
Ever notice how really looooooong threads like these eventually feature the same answers given over and over again by different people?

They should just be turned into polls:

"I think an 'independent' woman is:

1. a man-hating beyotch
2. redundant
3. asserting that she's not clingy/desperate
4. asserting that she's not looking for Mr. Moneybags to 'take care' of her
5. is secretly a lesbian
6. should be relegated to the worst layer of Hell for all time

etc...

It'd be way less boring...
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 80 (view)
 
Has your Adult ADD ruined/sabotaged relationships?
Posted: 11/12/2009 8:29:15 AM

THEN to be SAFE....you want ALL those diagnosed with ADD to be TREATED as " worst case"?

Booboo, you seem hellbent on deliberately misinterpreting both what I write and my intent. Fill your boots. I realize you've gotten flak your whole life, but don't put that on me. I told you that I was part of an organization for ADD advocacy. I've been to an ADDA conference. I am NOT saying any of the things you're accusing me of saying. Take a breath and give it a rest.


In fact, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) has issued two skeptical reports, one pertaining to children and adolescents and the other pertaining to adults

Um. Are you aware that Dr. Amen has been made a Fellow of the APA? And that your 'Quackwatch' article was written by one guy? Now, let's see - who's better qualified to assess Dr. Amen's work - the APA or one skeptic?

I suggest you try a little more critical assessment of your sources, Tiger. A first-year university student would get an F on a paper if he turned in as lousy a 'source' as that to back up his theory.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 69 (view)
 
Has your Adult ADD ruined/sabotaged relationships?
Posted: 11/12/2009 12:43:07 AM

My personal problem with Amen, as with all other doctors who treat ADHD is their over eagerness to prescribe dangerous medications.

Then you don't really know Amen's work. He discusses everything from supplements to diet to exercise, meditation, etc. etc. but also acknowledges that, sometimes, only meds will help.


The OP has stated that he "scares off" a lot of potential partners because he can't slow down.

I seriously doubt that not slowing down is the problem. You know there are a myriad other symptoms; it depends which he has whether he's difficult to live with or not. From the sounds of it, he is, so I promise you it's not just his speed.

@TigerWoods0924

I personally do not believe in ADD/ADHD

Sigh. I guess you don't 'believe' in diabetes or cancer, either. Tell ya what. Go look up Dr. Amen's research. People didn't give him credit for a long time but now he's an accepted authority Why? Because he started doing brain scans on normal people and people with conditions and he found that you can see differences in brain function between normal people and people with different mental ailments.

If you go to his site, you'll see how the ADD brain differs from the regular brain. On a brain scan.

There's no 'belief' about it. It's fact.


Bah I'd probably get a positive on the sociopath test too: I have little regard for human life, have killed small animals nonchalantly in youth, and don't have any real sympathy/empathy to speak of;

Then yes, you are probably a sociopath and, since you killed animals, possibly a psychopath as well. In other words; hardly an expert in mental health.


His treatment of me was unacceptable to the point of abusive-

Oh no! I'm sorry about that. See, GrandmaBB, not all ADDers are benign and, with all due respect, self-awareness can be lacking in ADDers to the point where they really do not understand the nature of their problem - or, more importantly, the effect their behaviour has on others. I am speculating that perhaps the OP is minimizing his own case. I'm not saying he's the worst of the worst but I doubt he's got a totally clear picture of his issues.


The top 0.5% of the population as far as money, power, and knowledge all have ADD but you are going to look down upon us?

Um. Really, not the case. See, you destroy your credibility when you pull statements like that out of your posterior orifice.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 2 (view)
 
Incompatibly Compatible ever after?
Posted: 11/12/2009 12:24:44 AM
A friend of mine wanted a kidless guy who was tall and blonde and movie-star like. She ended up with a bald, hairy, short guy with two kids. They're nuts about each other - going on 11 or 12 years now.

Sometimes you meet someone who doesn't tick all the boxes but who has such great other qualities, or that you click with so well, that you're both willing to do without some of the things you thought were 'absolute musts' prior. It's a sign of growth :)
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 40 (view)
 
Has your Adult ADD ruined/sabotaged relationships?
Posted: 11/11/2009 7:34:33 AM

I can tell you that in the case of your ex there were clearly OTHER issues much more severe than ADD, and he was being done a disservice by NOT having those other issues addressed.

GrandmaBB, yes, he had other issues, but, again, if you research Dr. Amen's ADD typology, you'll see that he has identified one form of ADD which included most of the characteristics I mentioned. Amen says it's the fault of too much activity in the cingulate gyrus area. Believe me, I researched ADD thoroughly (was part of an ADD advocacy organization) and this guy wasn't OD. He had symptoms of OCPD, it's true, and he did have OCD, but his largest issue was ADD.

Please be clear, I wasn't listing symptoms that are typical of all ADDers - just mentioning instances of 'worst case' situations. As you surely know, there is a wide range of ADD severity and behaviours and this isn't the place to write an essay describing them all.

Samantha44, no, they don't know there is something wrong with them. Because they don't 'look' sick, and because they don't behave as though they have what most people think of as a mental ailment, people just think they are lazy, selfish, and/or stupid. Eventually, so do they, which kicks their self-esteem into the ditch. Your pal could also be bipolar.

What to do? You could hunt up symptoms of these illnesses, print them off, and suggest to him that he might feel better if he were to figure out whether he had a treatable condition. Not saying it will work - but sometimes these folks get sick of their lives not going well and are ready to listen and accept assistance.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 24 (view)
 
Right or Wrong? Your Take on This ...
Posted: 11/10/2009 8:54:07 AM

If Larry and Joe are good friends, Larry will reject you. Bros before hos and all that.


Um. What? Did Joe brand this lady with his 'ownership' stamp because he met her first? Even though he didn't follow up, and so clearly has no interest in her, he still 'owns' her and so Larry isn't allowed to see her?

Sad to see neanderthal attitudes about male 'ownership' of women still exist.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 89 (view)
 
who gets your stuff?
Posted: 11/10/2009 8:48:15 AM

Any suggestions as to what i should do with them?


I found a site - beckett.com - that caters to card traders and dealers. It has message boards and, like ebay, rates reputable traders. The cards may be worth money - might as well find out.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 25 (view)
 
Has your Adult ADD ruined/sabotaged relationships?
Posted: 11/10/2009 8:41:34 AM
Grandma, sounds like you have a fairly benign form of ADD. Dr. Amen's theory is that there are several different sorts. The person I was with was the oppositional type - absolutely everything was a fight; he held grudges against people for years and talked about how he'd been 'done wrong' over and over again, he was poor at managing money. I was on an ADD Spouse site for quite a while and heard a lot of tales. The worst cases bankrupt their families or cheat repeatedly (the constant search for 'stimulation' can lead to searching for new partners).

The OP needs to check with a qualified practitioner before figuring out what course of treatment is best. People with ADD are also not always very good at self-awareness and can have an inflated opinion of themselves and how people react to them. I'm just sayin'.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 97 (view)
 
How do you trust anyone on dating sites?
Posted: 11/10/2009 8:34:29 AM

I didn't follow any of the typical safe dating guidelines,nor did he


Very unwise. You were lucky.

Your 'gut' can be right, but there's a lot of dead women whose families and friends loved their husbands and thought they were fabulous guys. Then there's the myriad tales right here on POF of people having been conned, cheated on, etc. by partners they thought were wonderful.

Bottom line is to be careful. The answer to 'living' is not to throw caution to the winds, but to not be frozen in fear, either. The 'middle way' is to take precautions and not trust fully right away. A normal person should understand that neither of you ought put full trust into anybody and be fine with it.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Would you be with someone that you knew you liked more?
Posted: 11/9/2009 10:47:38 PM
Some people got jerked around by someone and suspect everyone else of being a jerk.
From what you say, if you are accurate about what he's said to you, he just wants to take his time. The movies would have you believe that love is instant and that any love which isn't is unreal. That's bull.

You may actually find that your feelings change and you like him less as time goes on. It's easy to 'fall in love' early on, when you only see each other's good qualities. When you get to know each other more, it may be you who decides he's not so great after all. He knows that happens so he's being careful. It's smart. And you need to be smart and not push him.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 21 (view)
 
Has your Adult ADD ruined/sabotaged relationships?
Posted: 11/9/2009 10:43:07 PM
@ barbyanne2

The behaviours you described are characteristic of ADD. They are the result of frontal lobe deficits. You complain that he never changed, but that's kind of like wanting a person with no leg to walk - those functions are missing and can't just be learned. Instead, people with ADD are taught different coping strategies and coached on how to make up for the missing functions. If your partner had sought help, many of those issues could have been improved.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 253 (view)
 
Sex versus love
Posted: 11/9/2009 2:08:37 PM

anyone who can dismiss experiencing intense orgasms as "merely enjoying sensation", doesn't know what an intense orgasm feels like.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 247 (view)
 
Sex versus love
Posted: 11/9/2009 10:51:21 AM

Pure conjecture based on the false premise that a chemical "bonding" agent is present during "sex",


Post a link to one study that scientifically supports that.

For starters, check the reference links here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_emotion
Then do your own research. There's plenty. Read the work of Helen Fisher.

which mountians of empirical evidence to the contrary, exist.

Indeed? Let's see some references.


But that's a hard sell to someone who's had many mind blowing orgasms, and discovered that orgasms and love are not mutually inclusive.

Oh wow! 'Mind blowing orgasms' are the ultimate in your books? Well, no wonder you think the way you do. You are arguing that merely enjoying sensation is superior to enjoying sensation connected with emotion? LOL. I kinda feel sorry for you. You are the hamburger guy - as long as your belly's full, you don't understand how much more you could have. And you think you're somehow persuading me that 'full belly' is as much as I should aim for? Yeah, not hardly. But thanks for your efforts.


But the audience here isn't naive.

Perhaps not, but I question the maturity of some.

Question?

Oh, you sad little person. Can't even imagine that a woman who doesn't think 'full belly' is the worthiest goal to reach for can enjoy herself. And then thinks trying to provoke me will work!


Well, it's better to do it with a living breathing human being

IF you care about that person. IF it's 'making love'. Otherwise, it's really not so much. Unless, I guess, you're very bad at entertaining your own self You go ahead and have your burgers and keep telling yourself it's Kobe and truffles. But the more you flail, the less hope you have of convincing me or people like me.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 11 (view)
 
Has your Adult ADD ruined/sabotaged relationships?
Posted: 11/9/2009 9:24:15 AM
Hooray for packagedeal! OP, it's time to grab 'em and do what it takes to manage your life in a way that is mature and responsible.

First, get yourself onto ADD information sites and read up about your condition - learn what it's all about. Dr Amen's site at amenclinics.com is extremely good but there are many more. There are also some good books now on ADD and relationships. Read them and you'll find out what it's like from your partner's point of view. A disproportional percentage of ADD marriages (with untreated ADDers) fail.

Next, get thyself to a psychiatrist, psychologist, or physician who is experienced in helping folks with ADD. ADDers who take meds report vast change/improvement in all aspects of their lives (not all do, obviously, but a whole lot do).

I was in a relationship with an untreated ADDer. It became impossible for me to deal with anymore. While I knew his annoying/hurtful behaviour was not deliberate, it still took a toll on me. I still feel very sad that, through no fault of his own, he drives away friends and partners but if he never gets treatment, that will continue to be his fate.

The car analogy above was excellent. You know the cause of the problem. You know what the solution is. From now on, the problem's your fault if you refuse to do what you need to to solve it.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 64 (view)
 
Guys, how long can you do this??
Posted: 11/9/2009 9:13:11 AM

On the top of a man's list for fulfillment in a relationship is sexual fulfillment.

People keep saying this, however studies where people are interviewed about the factors that are most important in a relationship all report that sex is never #1.

Here's one source that lists several different studies with that result
http://www.relationshipsandlove.com/FreeStuff/WhatIsThisThing.htm

I think people keep saying this in forums because they're just prattling, but when you ask them seriously what they really want in a relationship - and ask them to rate the factors - they realize that there are more important things than sex.

I imagine the OP sees by now that the answer will depend on the man. She can't try having sex with someone to get him to fall for her with any guarantee it will work - nor will a FWB relationship necessarily turn into something more.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 46 (view)
 
Why Do Guys Quit Dancing after 40?
Posted: 11/8/2009 8:48:40 AM
There are very few people in my ballroom club who are under 40. And if you want to find men who dance at all ages, hunt up some Latin guys. In that culture, everybody goes to the parties and everybody dances - so little boys start dancing when they're just tykes and continue it right through (of course, this is a generalization). Because they started young, they often have great moves

That said, I go to monthly dances in town and there's always a little group of guys who stand in the corner all night holding their beers and never venture out onto the floor. No idea why they go to dances if they have no plan to dance!
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Women: Alcohol and Breast Cancer
Posted: 11/8/2009 8:39:13 AM
The 'glass of wine' research came before the breast cancer research, I believe. In fact, the 'glass of wine' research is mentioned in the first article. Anyway, there are many other things you can do to prevent heart disease - drinking wine every day won't make up for other bad habits, while foregoing it may help avoid cancer - at least, according to the research to date.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 9 (view)
 
Women: Alcohol and Breast Cancer
Posted: 11/7/2009 6:20:44 AM

Did anyone test men on drinking alcohol related to cancer or are they still allowed to have fun?


Moderate and high alcohol intake over a lifetime may increase the risk of prostate cancer (PCa) and some other malignancies, new findings suggest.
http://www.renalandurologynews.com/Prostate-Cancer-Linked-to-Lifetime-Alcohol-Use/article/148574/
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 1 (view)
 
Women: Alcohol and Breast Cancer
Posted: 11/6/2009 8:47:00 AM
Numerous studies have shown that alcohol increases cancer risks for women; particularly risks for breast cancer


Feb. 24, 2009 -- Women who drink as little as one alcoholic beverage a day -- be it beer, wine, or hard liquor -- have an increased cancer risk, a study shows.

Researchers followed more than 1.2 million middle-aged women for an average of seven years. The women were participants in the ongoing Million Women Study in the U.K.

Those who drank alcohol consumed on average one drink a day. These women had an increased cancer risk with increasing alcohol intake, especially for cancers of the breast, liver, rectum, mouth, throat, and esophagus.

Based on their findings, the researchers estimated that alcohol could be to blame for 13% of these cancers in women.

The link between alcohol and breast cancer has been extensively researched and reported on, but the study is among the first to link low-to-moderate alcohol consumption to other cancers in women.

"There were no minimum levels of alcohol consumption that could be considered to be without risk," cancer epidemiologist and study researcher Naomi Allen, DPhil, of the University of Oxford, tells WebMD.
Alcohol and Breast Cancer

Most of the excess cases were breast cancers. Allen and colleagues concluded that as many as 11% of breast cancers can be attributed to alcohol consumption.
http://women.webmd.com/news/20090224/alcohol-linked-to-cancer-risk-in-women



The new study tracked the health of 122,000 women since 1976. They were free of cancer at the start of the study. Every four years, the women were asked how much alcohol they had used during an average month in the past year.

By 2002, nearly 6,000 of the women developed breast cancer.

When compared with teetotalers:
Women who drank the equivalent of a half glass of wine a day were 6% more likely to develop breast cancer.
Women who drank a glass or two a day faced a 21% increased risk of breast cancer.
Those who drank more than two drinks a day were 37% more likely to develop breast cancer.

However, the risk was much greater in menopausal women:
Menopausal women who drank a half glass of wine daily increased their chance of breast cancer by 18%.
http://www.webmd.com/breast-cancer/guide/20061101/alcohol-breast-cancer-risk
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 185 (view)
 
Sex versus love
Posted: 11/6/2009 1:19:52 AM

that women and men are evolutionally wired in the exact same way when it comes to sex

Wrongo.
Sex, the limbic system, and women:

Whenever a person is sexually involved with another person, neurochemical changes occur in both their brains that encourage limbic, emotional bonding. Yet, limbic bonding is the reason casual sex doesn’t really work for most people on a whole mind and body level. Two people may decide to have sex “just for the fun of it,” yet something is occurring on another level they might not have decided on at all: Sex is enhancing an emotional bond between them whether they want it or not. One person, often the woman, is bound to form an attachment and will get hurt when the affair ends. The reason it is usually the woman is that the size of a female’s limbic system, in comparison to the rest of her brain, is larger than it is for a man. Consequently, she is more likely to get limbically connected.


Now, to inanity.

Normal men don't need an emotional connection to enjoy sex. It's simply a fact of life. We are sexual beings. In my entire life experience... high school, college, service, professional life, travels, etc.. I have NEVER met a man who needed to be "in love" in order to enjoy sex.


Oh, I just love the type that insists HE is the holder of Absolute Truth about All Men.
That's a sure sign of a guy waving a Big Red Flag with 'I'm an Idiot' on it.


You won't find any threads with me complaining about women not responding to e-mail and not being able to get dates and other such nonsense.... it simply hasn't been a problem for me...

Can't imagine why guys like you are sleeping alone..

One of those sad sorts that confuse 'quantity' with 'quality'.

Here's the deal, boyo. There's plenty of people who will settle for McDonald's. It's fast and easily available and, when you're done, your needs are quelled. However, there's a whole lot of us who despise the lousy taste it leaves in your mouth and the unsatisfying after-effects. We'd rather eat at home than settle for fast food garbage. We'll keep an eye out for a great restaurant and, when we go, we'll fully enjoy a delicious meal prepared with care.

You can have your vast quantities of unattached, 'scratch the itch' sex if that floats your boat. You can also convince yourself that you are living large and that the number of orifices you've managed to visit makes you, somehow, more of a man.

But to those of us who enjoy greater pleasures, you're just a sad little Mickey D addict whose tastes never matured into appreciating the truly great dishes. And then you make a buffoon of yourself by preening and crowing about how many burgers you've shoved down your gullet.

We're not impressed. At all. You're undiscerning and uninvolved and you think that's admirable?


Have you never just wanted sex for relief and not for love, romance, cuddling ?

Yep. That's a do-it-yourself project. Works perfectly fine. No hassles. No wierdness. No awkwardness. And it's done well and efficiently.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 81 (view)
 
who gets your stuff?
Posted: 11/5/2009 8:23:48 AM
I've stipulated some gifts for people - having managed a couple of estates, I saw how sad people were to not get even a small token gift when their friends passed. Other than that, it's a bequest to my alma mater to sponsor scholarships/bursaries. I was a poor student once and got some $ to keep me going from a bursary. I want to pay that forward.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 40 (view)
 
how to slow the pace to make it real
Posted: 11/5/2009 8:20:44 AM
There's a lot of possibilities. He could be immature and, unwise in the ways of love and have convinced himself he's 'in love' when he may only be infatuated. He could be a nutjob. He could be a control freak. The cure for all of this is time. Tell him that the wisest of counsellors say that love develops slowly and that, if it is real, it can bear your taking time to get to know each other. If he comes up with excuses why going slower is a bad idea, gets impatient or angry, then you know there may be an underlying problem.

Bottom line - if it is real, it will remain real no matter how much time passes - so take your time!!!
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 29 (view)
 
new tv shows this fall
Posted: 11/5/2009 8:01:31 AM
Castle is pretty good.

V looked as though it may be interesting but turned corny fairly quickly. Same old sameold - aliens wanting to take over. It'd be nice if there was a different plot for a change - maybe aliens wanting a new home for real and not wanting to 'destroy earth'. Too many obvious plot holes bugged me (if they've been on the planet for 'years' and their reptile innards spill out when they're killed or wounded, how has nobody noticed when one of them got killed or injured before?). And the Big Plot? The aliens are promising peace, change, and universal health care while secretly plotting to take over!! Oh Nooooes! Is this just a Republican conspiracy show? LOL
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 12 (view)
 
The Olympic Torch
Posted: 11/2/2009 6:25:37 PM

i was listening to Dave Brindle on the radio friday. He was interviewing this guy who made a documentary, Olympia, about how the torch relay and ceremony came about during the berlin olympics...the nazi party essentially. They're the ones who "invented" and started that tradition.

I guess you stopped listening before you heard the bit where the Brits decided to revive the Torch as a symbol of international peace in 1948. I guess it's not convenient to include that if your aim is to cast it all in a bad light.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 9 (view)
 
Why to worry about when to give sex?
Posted: 11/2/2009 6:04:10 PM
Because female bodies, in particular, are biologically designed to feel attachment when having sex. Clearly this isn't true for all women, but for those who are, why get attached to a succession of people who may not get attached back? You'd have to be a masochist. It has nothing to do with 'not liking sex'; rather it's about 'not liking pain'.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 4 (view)
 
Strange Halloween Costumes you've worn
Posted: 10/31/2009 6:37:05 PM
I was an aircraft carrier last year.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 8 (view)
 
How to prevent THIS type of hurt?
Posted: 10/31/2009 6:30:44 PM
I figure that unless you subject someone to a thorough psych exam plus a couple hours' lie detector test, you haven't a hope of figuring anything out about them.

You either realize them's the breaks, forge on, and get your heart stomped a few times (or maybe not) or you hide out at home and pass on all opportunities. Only you can decide if you can handle the stress/uncertainty/etc.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 11 (view)
 
Odd man friend behavior
Posted: 10/31/2009 6:28:10 PM
This isn't 'love', friend. This is 'not well'. Do not delude yourself that this is romantic - these are signs of trouble ahead.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 15 (view)
 
Let's take a walk in the woods
Posted: 10/31/2009 8:40:18 AM
No way I'm 'going sailing', either. Yeah, buddy, I'd be glad to be all alone with you on a vessel with nothing but ocean all around
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 24 (view)
 
are you more attracted to people on the forums?
Posted: 10/31/2009 8:38:11 AM
I agree with Concerto.

OTOH, forums also show me which men I'd not get anywhere near for all the tea in China. People are refreshingly open about revealing their prejudices, bigotry, bitterness, and, some of them, misogyny and misandry. Helps to weed out the losers
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 26 (view)
 
Why women have more sexual prospects..
Posted: 10/31/2009 12:47:57 AM

Immediately women and men will chime in with, "You're just an egotistical prick,"

Nah. I'm going with 'whiny crybaby'.

Buddy, as long as you think 'women' is some sort of Borg of power-mad aliens, you're never getting any. That attitude of yours is what's keeping you from collecting 'prospects'.
 Merrylass
Joined: 12/30/2007
Msg: 60 (view)
 
how come women initiate the breakup 80% of the time?
Posted: 10/30/2009 7:43:06 AM

3) men refuse, or are unable, to see the red lights she is flashing months in advance, leaving her to be the one to finally say "bye"?


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