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 Author Thread: US Sucked Into Israeli - Iran Conflict
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 250 (view)
 
US Sucked Into Israeli - Iran Conflict
Posted: 10/19/2009 12:09:34 PM
correct me if I am wrong,...and God knows many of you will,....but,....

Iran has repeatedly said it is interested in nuclear power,....not bombs,.....

assumptions are being made if they have one they automatically have the other,....

Now my country (Canada) has nuclear power,......and chooses not to have nuclear weapons,....why are we believed when Iran is assumed to be lying?

and should anycountry be attacked either literally or otherwise for what it might do?
In law,....no one can be charged with a crime until they actually take steps to do the thing,.....

and why are we here entitled to using nuclear power but other's are denied that same right?

either we all have the right,....or no one should have it,....JMO
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 270 (view)
 
Why do people try and live off of minimum wage?
Posted: 8/27/2009 9:49:30 AM
the simple answer is,...because they don't have any other options,...
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 155 (view)
 
2 jurors believed Michael Jackson actually was guilty
Posted: 8/25/2009 5:31:57 AM
you seemed to hace asked me questions and then answered them as well,....

First of all, there is nothing I think deserves the death penalty more than someone who abuses, torturesm rapes a child,...regardless if that abuser is a homeless person, a family member or someone famous like MJ,....

I did not however say,....


<div class="quote"> marita_b, you say that what he did doesn’t matter to you.... [/quote

What I did say, was that ultimately now, since his death,...it only matteres to the prinipal people involved,....and only they, or rather the boy actually knows the truth,....

(what I mean by principals, the child involved, his chilfren,...the boy's family and MJ's family,.....)

here is what I personally think,....
MJ, was someone hust like in the movie BIG,....he was a child in a grown man's body,...
and he wanted to be in the company of the only things that never judged him,...and never wanted anything from him but his time,....that's whay he choose the company of animals and children,...that was why he lived in a place strainght from PETER PAN,...which he called,....NEVERLAND

I think if you listen to some lyrics of his lesser known songs, he tells us who and what he was,.....which I think is actually asexual,...

as for his death,....I believe it to have been an unintentionall overdose,....I say this because the medication he was taking for sleep is what is known as sedation used pre op , or pre proceedually,....and it falls under the catagory of a hypnotic agent which means although you may think you are asleep instantly, you are in actuall fact quite able to walk and talk and do as instructed ,...you just won't remember anything about it when you do come out of it,....

In a hospital setting when a proceedure is done you might tell a patient to move or roll over, and the patient will,...they are often very verbal too,...Rohipnol, and other so called date rape drugs fall into this catagory also,....

Now in the or this drug is followed up with the actual sedation in a very quick procession so there is very little to be observed in the operating theatre, but a recovery nurse would see the effects,....

My point being once given a dose, MJ may have tried to give himself more.....
not an easy task, but if he succeeded,....well you know the outcome,.....

This is just my theory,....but I have come across a person with just such an addiction,...and as my ex-husbands endoscopy assistent, I witnessed this kind of behaviour many many times,....both during the proceedure and in a post-op way,...

As is the case with theories, everybody's got one,....this is mine,....

the reason it no longer matter's is because he's dead,....what are you going to do? Dig him up and send him to jail?
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 768 (view)
 
guns at home
Posted: 8/18/2009 8:31:06 PM

The German people were NOT in favor of what Hitler was doing.


Then why did so many of them vote for him?


because prior to his being elected and even for some time afterward, Hitler actually did a lot for Germany and the people thereof,....

He made sure that all children were taken care of medically,....that they had arets and exercise programs in the schools which didn't exist prior to that time,...he made sure that anyone suffering a long illness or hospitalization would be able to go to a spa to recouperate thereby not being a drain on the family,....new mothers were given help at home for a while (6mo),.....He had a company refurbished to produce a vehichle all the people could afford to get,.....the volkswaged,...(the peoples car)

if you look into all the things he actually did for the german people you might have voted for him too at the time,....the final solution came as a shock to people when they found out,.....it certainly wasn't hip platform,.....

Hitler was a prime example of ultimate power corrupting untimately,.....
but that wasn't who he started out to be,.....no one is all good,...or all bad,....not even him,...

and no I'm not a fan of that nutjob,.....I just like to know things,....so when someone asks a question that seems interesting to me,...I look up the answer
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 1 (view)
 
biggest jewel heist ever,...in Brittan
Posted: 8/12/2009 11:13:47 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6011948/International-manhunt-after-Britains-biggest-ever-jewel-heist.html

The armed robbers posed as businessmen in suits to steal £40 million worth of rings, bracelets, necklaces and watches - encrusted with almost 1,500 individual diamonds.

The suspects were dropped off at Graff Diamonds in central London in a black taxicab last Thursday afternoon, but the value of their haul had not been disclosed until yesterday. They strolled past a security guard they turned handguns on the staff, briefly taking a woman employee hostage.


Within minutes the suspects had carefully chosen 43 of the store's most precious items, which were placed into a bag, before they escaped across the capital in a relay of three different cars. They fired at least two warning shots as they made their getaway.

The Metropolitan Police Flying Squad are investigating and yesterday released CCTV images of the robbers entering the store, as well as pictures of the stolen jewellery.

The suspects details have been circulated to all ports and airports but police believe they will have organised an escape route and may already have left the country.

Britain’s previous biggest diamond jewellery robbery is believed to be a £23 million raid, which also took place at Graff's, in 2003.

The two men, thought to be Londoners, arrived in a taxi at 4.40pm on August 6 and were only in the New Bond Street jewellers for a matter of minutes.

After being let in through the security doors both men produced handguns and threatened staff. They placed the jewels into a bag before briefly seizing a woman employee hostage.

She was taken outside but released when the raiders made their getaway in a blue BMW, having fired a warning shot above their heads.

Their escape was nearly foiled when the car crashed into a black cab in Dover Street. As the driver and punters from a nearby pub gave chase, one of the men fired another round into the ground to warn them off.

The men then switched to a silver Mercedes, and later again into a black vehicle, possibly a Ford Galaxy or VW Sharan.

It is suspected that the jewels, meanwhile, were transferred to a waiting motorcyclist who was able to escape quickly.

Police believe there were at least two other men who were acting as getaway drivers for three cars.

Detective Chief Inspector Pam Mace from Scotland Yard’s Flying Squad said: “This was a well planned robbery with a number of vehicles used to help the robbers escape. These men are extremely dangerous and fired at least two shots in busy London streets as they made their getaway.

“Someone knows who these men are, they would undoubtedly have spoken about it beforehand or boasted about it afterwards. I would urge anyone who recognises them, knows the whereabouts of the jewellery or has any other information to contact us.”

The first suspect is described as white, about 30, with a slim build, dark hair with a well-combed side parting, light stubble on his face and 5ft 10 - 6 ft tall. He was wearing a grey suit, white shirt and tie.

The second is described as black, also in his 30s, 6ft tall, more well built than the first suspect, and with very short Afro hair. He was also wearing a grey suit, white shirt and tie.

Detectives believe the raiders targeted the most expensive items in the store. One officer said: “They knew exactly what they were looking for and we suspect they already have a market for the jewels. “

The suspects details have been circulated to all ports and airports but police believe they would have organised an escape route and may already have left the country.


any thoughts on the subject? We know this couldn't happen in the US,...there even the guy recording the video on his phone probably would have had a gun on him,....never mind the cops,....I am surprised that in GB cops still don't carry,.....

I wonder if our global financial dilemas, make crimes like this more plausable,....
like the John dillinger's running around robbing banks in the depression,...

I don't think that is the case here but I can't remember hearing about big heists like this for quite a few years,....

and finally,....just where exactly are they planing to fence jewels like this?
all just my thoughts,....what are youors?
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 88 (view)
 
Manson follower wants compassion...........................
Posted: 8/12/2009 11:01:51 AM
I have trouble with the whole idea of compassion,.....

If I were to be her nurse, I would give her as much care as anyone else, I would not inflict any extra pain because I could,.....I might not be tempted to stay and chatt with her if I didn't have a proceedure to perform on her ie; dressing change, or whatever,...
nor would I let her buzzer go off longer or take my time getting her pain meds,....but that to me isn't compassion,....it's my need to do my job the best way I know how,...

Since I don't have her as a patient,....I don't give her a second thought,....nor do I care when and if she dies,....lots of people die every day,...my compassion or at least what I think of as compassion, the "oh how sad feeling" that you get when you hear a villiage loaded up with father's day celebrators, was washed away in a typhoon,....

Those are the people who I feel compassion for the ones that suffer having done nothing to cause their fate,....and yes I know there could have been criminals who also suffered in the typhoon,...but if I don't know,...then I didn't know,.....

as for Bundy or Susan going to heaven simply because they regretted things,...which I still have my doubts about,.....then that's not a heaven I want anything to do with,....

sorry,...just doesn't fix everything,....it almost gives some people permission to do wrong because all they have to do is say sorry,.....not in my book,....

Now I myself have done wrong,...inadvertently mostly, ....after all I too was a child once,...but in those cases when I asked for forgiveness or said sorry,... I also then followed up with a way to atone, even if it was nothing more than to make changes in myself,.....

and punishment,....is not atonement,.....

Now you show me ways in which Susan has tried to atone for her crime,....
and then get back to me,....I might even reconsider my position,....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 16 (view)
 
Fake Profiles
Posted: 8/11/2009 8:17:21 AM
the good news is if you do take a chance and actually agree to meet someone,....

what have you really risked,...you have a coffe meet someone who in no way resembles anything in their profile,...and you go home,....

But that's why you never give out personal information and meet somewhere in a busy public place,.....you don't accept rides,...or diner over at their house,...nor give out phone numbers that can be traced,....too easy,....

you do as you have preached to your children,....and what your parents preached to you,...
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 8 (view)
 
South African rape survey shock
Posted: 8/11/2009 8:09:47 AM
Rape,....is NEVER a sexual act,...
it is an act of violence and therefor no one no matter how permiscuous they may appear or actually behave can provoke rape,..

They can provoke a sexual response,....but not rape,....E V E R!!!!
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 697 (view)
 
guns at home
Posted: 8/11/2009 7:51:00 AM

Being a victim of a serious crime is not a prerequisite for having a gun for self defense. Crime happens in all areas. Good neighborhoods are often targeted because there's better stuff to steal. Spend some time with some real criminals, of all sorts and maybe you'll get a better understanding of how the criminal mind works


neither is being a correctional officer,....but it does add a dimention,...to help me understand where you are coming from,....

You probably don't believe me but the last job I held back in 2000 was as a female and juvenile correctional officer,...I was injured on the job and that has me sitting here with far too much time on my hands sometimes,....

There are two types of criminals ,....the habitual and the ones pushed too far,....
ok three if you count the kids but they are IMO still fixable in most cases,....so I tend not to count them,....yet,....they can grow into habituals or carry on with a life,...

In that line of work I agree you have to have thought out the whole what am I prepared to do,.....I did as well and probably came to the same conclusion,.....I would have done what was needed under the circumstances,....

The difference between you and I is I choose to leave all that in my locker as well along with my gear,....You carrying a gun I might not be too worried about ,....
it does surprise me though about your thoughts regarding just anyone and everyone carrying a weapon,...but I'll ease up about it,....

I think one reason why I feel comfortable not needing a gun is that I know very few if anyone I am ever to cross paths with doesn't have one hidden in their waistband or pursses,.....because don't forget out there women can be dangerous too,....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 85 (view)
 
Manson follower wants compassion...........................
Posted: 8/10/2009 5:15:08 PM
first of all,...with all the revelation screaming,....
I have more pitty for the other inmates and marvel at their restraint,....

and if life without parole doesn't mean life without parole,..then why give it in the first place,.....which BTW Manson himself didn't get,....after his death sentance was overturned he got life WITH the possibility of parole,.....

Susan as the rest of her clan get a do over in the next life,...buut not this one,....

and remember the one clanswoman squeeky Lynnet from I believe, if memory serves,........she got a reduced sentence for testifying against her clan,...remember what she went on to do after she got out? well let me remind you,....she tried to assasinate the then President Ford,....she missed but who knows what some of her girlfriends might have done had they gotten out,....

and even if Susan isn't capable of any action,....as long as she can breath in and out she can talk and that's all Charles was commited of doing,....and he isn't going to get out either,....even though he has been up for parole at least 3 times so far as I remember,....

as for my compassion because she is dying,....sorry but we are all dying,....some of us know about how long we have,....but even for us,....tomorrow is prommised to no one,....

now if her being sorry could bring the dead back,....as long as she was reallllly sorrrry!
well that would be another story,....but until then,....I won't be loosing any sleep over the loss of Susan,.....


oh and BTW,...these people were already judged, so you don't have to worry yourself over the inability to judge them,......I just hope you never sit on jurry duty,.....because anyone who does has to know how to say guilty as well as,... not guilty,.....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 675 (view)
 
guns at home
Posted: 8/10/2009 4:01:55 PM

Published: August 10, 2009

Updated: 03:24 pm

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Teens talk about the shooting
Michael Hanley, the 34-year-old man, who shot at a carload of teenagers, injuring one, appeared to be ready for a gunfight.

When deputies found his body slumped over the wheel of his 1997 Dodge Ram on Sunday evening, Hanley was armed with two high-power guns and wearing a bullet-proof vest, said Pasco Sheriff Bob White during a press conference Monday morning.

"He was armed and he was prepared to do battle," White said, "with whom, we don't know."

Hanley used one of the guns – a .40-caliber semiautomatic handgun – to fire at 2001 Jeep Wrangler filled with four teenaged boys during what White described as a road rage incident. Hanley fired the other gun – a .45-caliber assault rifle – into his own skull after he drove to Byrd Drive, off Gunn Highway near Odessa.

Deputies found Hanley dead inside his running truck around 5:45 Sunday night.

What led up to his death is not entirely clear but mental illness clearly played a vital role, White said. Hanley had bipolar disorder and used medication to control it, however, it's not known if he had been using his medications regularly, the sheriff said.

"When he didn't take his medications, he experienced relapses," White said.

Relatives told detectives Hanley had been acting out the past couple of weeks, often having heated arguments with family members, and he had not been to work as a small engine mechanic in two weeks. He couldn't hold a job because "he always has fights with people, his live-in girlfriend and mother of his child, told deputies

During those two weeks, White said, Hanley acquired the guns and vest. He does not appear to have a concealed weapons permit and they were still investigating if he got the guns through legal means.

A couple of hours before Hanley's body was found, deputies spoke with his girlfriend, Anastasia Hummel, who told deputies her boyfriend was "very irate and had an anger problem." Before he left the house at 1507 Lake Parker Drive, the couple shared with his parents, Hanley had an argument with all of them. As he left, a report states, he made several comments that he would not be back because he was going to kill himself. Hummel told deputies Hanley had two guns.

"She stated Michael would not go to jail and he would rather kill himself or shoot it out with police when located," a report states.

Hummel, White said, knew about the guns but was too afraid to report it. Hanley's parents, however, didn't know about the weapons, he added.

Hanley's relatives have declined to talk to reporters but White said he knows Hanley's family is going through a tough time.

"We feel for them," White said. "They are going through something right now that's horrific to them. We searched the home and we found no notes; nothing to give us a clue" about what happened. Family members thought Hanley was still taking his medication, he said.

A few years ago, Hanley had been taken into protective custody in New Jersey because of his instability, said Pasco County Sheriff Bob White. In that incident, Hanley had a handgun, which he legally owned. The gun was taken away from him, White said.

Sunday's incident occurred just after 4 p.m. at the intersection of Parker Pointe Boulevard and Gunn Highway in Odessa. That's where a Jeep driven by Andrew Sestok pulled up to a stop sign and paused. Sestok began to change a song on his iPod.

Hanley, in a Dodge pickup, was behind the 17-year-old, who had three of his friends in the Jeep with him. Hanley got irked that the Jeep was not going through the intersection, pulled up next to the vehicle and began yelling and waving a gun.

At least six rounds were fired, with four hitting the Jeep, White said.

As Sestok made a quick turn onto Gunn Highway, Hanley fired the handgun several times, striking the Jeep. A passenger, 17-year-old Stewart Jones, was shot twice in a leg. Jones was taken to Bayfront Medical Center in St. Petersburg where he was treated for his injuries.

Hanley of Odessa fled.

White said the teens did the right thing, even though they were fired upon.

The shooter, "rolled windows down and cursed and shouted at them," White said. "They [the teens] did the appropriate thing and drove away. These young people did nothing to provoke him. They just were at the wrong place at the wrong time.

"This could have been a tremendous tragedy," White said. "There were four young people in that car yesterday afternoon that could have meet an untimely demise."


http://suncoastpasco.tbo.com/content/2009/aug/10/101524/pasco-sheriff-road-rage-shooter-was-bipolar/


I'll say buddy had an anger problem,....geeze!!!!
how many other BI POLAR or othersiwe disturbed mentally ill people have guns?,....

then again anyone can snap at anytime, even for just a few minutes,....
ask any defense Lawyer,....


"This could have been a tremendous tragedy," White said.


what one kid shot is no longer a tradgedy?????????
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 668 (view)
 
guns at home
Posted: 8/10/2009 2:29:16 PM
I never said that I couldn't explain it. Just not in such a way that I think that you would understand. You say that you're glad that you're not 25 anymore. I'm glad that I haven't been brainwashed for so many years that I've lost the ability to think freely.


How do you know you are free thinking,.....
or nothing more than regurgitating what your ilk, or society, or family or media exposure has drummed into you over the years,....

In order to actually be free thinking one must not only be able to see all sides of an issue but consider them as plausable,....if only briefly to dertermine why they are not, thereby rejecting them,....

since you have neither considered anyone's opinion but your own as plausable nor given any reason beyond anything that amounts to ,....because I said so,...giving no actual basis for your opinion,....one might supose this then is in fact not your actual opinion but a party line,....

(Nothing wrong with some partylines if one actually believes them and has thought this through,...)

since time and time again when asked what do you base this on,...which can include experiences, research or well thought out and formulated opinions,...just not because I said so,.,....that is the answer of a frusterated child,....sorry but it is,....

Now the danger comes from not having your own thought out opinion and then combining it with a closed mind unwilling to see or consider anything or anyone else,...

Sadly those kind are not restricted to the twentysomethings whom those of my age can more easily forgive such a lacking in,....as I have done for you,...my dear fl co.

but there is nothing sadder than trying to change a mind against it's will,...therefore this diatride between you and I has come to it's ultimate and yes I dare say,... obvious conclusion,....

just read that one post again,...the one of the road rage article, and consider it from the other side,.....

that being what if you were there in your car minding your own business having the music turned on waiting for the light with your handy dandy six shooter right ther where it will always save you,....and some other guy behind you with his shoots you without hesitation and without you being able to react,...because he didn't like your music,.... you would still be just as dead (if his aim is any good) with your beliefs and your handy dandy six shooter,..... so what?

A comedian was talking about a guy who had tied himself to a tree to see if he could survive a hurricain,.....

and the comedian goes on to say,.....

it's not THAT,...the wind is blowing,....it's W H A T ,...the wind is blowing,....

Do you really want to live in a town where every person has a gun on them and you have to wonder what kind of a day they are having? (Rhetoricall)
better you than me boy,.....I'll be giving Florida a wide birth from now on,....tks 4 playing
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 660 (view)
 
guns at home
Posted: 8/10/2009 9:37:42 AM
Its more in depth than simply firing at those trying to take your land. If you don't understand that then I don't know how to explain it to you


you can't explain it,....gee why not,....work on that,....
but then again I am no longer 25 and know everything about everything anymore,...
I actually think that's a good thing, because now I'm finally old enough to learn again,..


Who said anything about bluffing? Even though the "victim" pulling out his own weapon is usually enough to end the confrontation, that doesn't mean that its a bluff.


it's all a bluff, supposition and postering, untill you have actually been in the position,
and you might be surprised how you will react , because right now your just guessing,...
maybe hoping,....


So you attacked him with what you had available, which showed him that you were willing to fight. Also I'm sure that you'd agree that a child screaming for help will get quicker results than an adult screaming for help.

As far as me, I've been in a few confrontation and haven't had to use deadly force. That doesn't mean I won't some day though. You seem to think that being willing to = want to.

actually you make it sound that being willing to = want to in a lot of your posts,...

so you have been in confrontations,.......really,....what kind? where you in fear for your life?
and where was your gun at the time,....

but most importantly,...had you had your gun at the time,...would you have used it?
because it seems to me without doing so,...you too survived your confrontations,

I'm not sure I get your point as you seem to be prooving my point for me,....



She went beyond just grieving and showing her displeasure. Being outside the US, I wonder if you saw the full story about her. People have the right to assemble and protest if they chose to.


We not only get the full story here in the great white north,...from all of your American affilliates,....we get that and most stories from the european angle(the BBC)
and our own Canadian stations actually cover global news,....and that's just the TV,....then there's the print media,....the radio,.....and the internet,....

We no longer live in a frozen bubble,......

What I don't understand is your stating,..."People have the right to assemble and protest if they chose to.",.....and equating that with she didn't,....

Yoou didn't ask your mother did you,....come on fess up,....you didn't?
Next time you see her,....do,....

as for you last statement,....


Obviously not as many people as you seem to think feel so strongly agaisnt the war.


since I was always ready to help out my boys with their research,...why shoould you be any different,....so here you go


Three in five Americans (61%) think US forces should get out of Iraq within a year, including 24 percent who favor immediate withdrawal and 37 percent who prefer a one year timetable. Another 32 percent of Americans say the forces should stay until security improves.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/394.php?lb=btis&pnt=394&nid=&id=&gclid=CNWdwpbCmZwCFQoMDQodMErydg


Global Poll: Majority Wants Troops Out of Iraq Within a Year
September 6, 2007,..... the date of this article,....(while Bush still held office),...

I suspect,....not as many people as you seem to think
feel so strongly FOR the war anymore,....

thank you wudger,...for lending even more weight to my position,...
how sad,....how stupid,...... and what a waste,....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 657 (view)
 
guns at home
Posted: 8/10/2009 7:52:52 AM
Every person will only put up with so much. If someone's property is being taken by the government by force and the person fires at the government officials, they'll probably think twice the next time around.


WHO?,...the fellow who shot at the government official and is now cooling his heels in jail?,....after all government officials are people too,....and no they won't be the ones thinking twice,.....they will be the ones bringing more guns,.....don't they teach you history where you are?

trust me,...the days when any individual wins in a firefight like that,.....
they're not only over,....they never actually existed,.....
you can go back as far as you like historically speaking, even the various groups of indigenous people found that out,....



Once targetted for a crime talking is going to do very little, it'll probably just piss off the criminal


oh yea,...but a gun won't,....and I don't know about you but when I learned how to shoot,...and I did,....I was told the first rule which is you never point, unless you are, ready to take a life,....you never win if you try to bluff, most likely just get shot with your own weapon,....and that's just stupid,.....giving a perfectly good gun away,....



As far as how you think someone should try to get out of being a crime victim it doesn't always work.


well I have had personal experience in this and without going into the long details that i did some pages back,....suffice it to say,...my way clearly worked or I wouldn't be here to tell about them ,...now would they? and I killed no one,.....



I don't know what you're planning on doing to get help. A criminal isn't going to let you just call the police on your cell or run to go get somebody.Running away isn't always an option and you shouldn't have to


every situation has to be dealt with differently,....however,....

when I was was 12 and a man grabbed me to take me away,....I kicked him hard, in the shins, with my brand new penny loafer's (they weren't broken in yet,.... )
when he dropped me,...I ran,...fast,....screaming as loud as I could,....and I bannged on the nearest door,...he had just caught up to me as the porch light went on,....and he stopped dead in his tracks and took off the other way,.....That man killed 3 children my age, in my town,....and has never been caught,.....

Now I'll grant you the running thing doesn't work so well for me anymore,...but you know the cain I use to walk with came in very handy,.....

I still have killed no one and I seep well at night,.....

Now I have backed up my opiniion, with but some of my experiences,...I actually have more,...but....just out of curriosity,....

How many times have you been under threat?........and whom did you KILL?

.
Your 2nd point I already addressed, and the women you used as an example didn't go about thing the right way.


Really????? and in what etiquette book is it written how to express your pain as a mother for the stupid loss of your child?????

It had nothing to do with how she said it,....only that WHEN she said it the popular opinion of your country was that the war was just,...the war was right,...and she should be proud to have a folded flagg to talk to and a free grave to visit,....

Give me a frigging break,... THE RIGHT WAY INDEED,....
go ask your mother if she did it the right way?

when they protested in the sixties,...against a stupid,...and unjust war,....
they did it wrong too ,....course they didn't have someone like you to point it out for them,....they just had a whole great big cluster of wrong protesters who kept it up until THAT frackas came to an end,....

This time,....this mother,....was all alone,....and you all should be ashamed of it,....

because those of you who called her names while sitting at home doing nothing,.....seem to be the same ones who NOW are agreeing with her that this war was indeed unjustified and stupid,....

That's if you have the chutzpah to do it????
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 653 (view)
 
guns at home
Posted: 8/9/2009 8:52:24 AM
ok,...couple of points that i think bear mentioning,....

first of all


<div class="quote"> Why or what gives man the right to protect himself?

This absolute right is based upon the "moral truth to one’s own life and property, and is a logical inference from an ethical premise that a conscious being to live, must be fully sovereign over the choices in its own life.

the government can at anytime they choose come and throw you out of your home, if they need your land, and if you shoot and kill,...guess who's going to jail,...or the chair?
so you don't always have a lawfull right to bear arms and protect your property,....sorry but you never had that right,....it was and is,...an illusion,.....

I have to wonder if someone carrying a gun might just be more apt to us one against a percieved threat,....instead of say trying to talk themselves out of trouble, or getting help, or running away,.....I'm not saying you can do all of the above, in every incident, and those are only 3 of many other things one can do before firing away,.....only that if someone is packing what might they do first?,....

as for the inapropriate bible thumping in this thread,....I would just like to add,...
the overwhelming deaths that have taken place throughout history have had religion or the debate there in as its base,.....

having said that this IS NOT THE PLACE for that debate,....there are about a million other threads for that,.....and I for one don't wish to be converted,....or I would join such a debate,....however if I did,...I could debunk your quotes one by one rather intelligently,.... I wouldn't have to go much beyond revelation to do it either,....certainly not all the way to the parts that supposedly haven't even happened yet,.....

But if you think that everyone should have a gun,....then consider the swiss way,...
it sure works for them,.....

It beats playing russian roulet when you walk down the street,....as to who is and who isn't packing,.....

second,....

the assertion that the gun toting populace will only take so much crap from it's government,....has been effectively debunked by the Bush presidency IMO

over those 8 years you have lost right after right pertaining to your personal freedom and all I could see is more flag waving as you offered up your children to be slaughtered,.....not only didn't you not pick up your collective guns up in arms against this tradgedy,.......you all didn't even pick up a picket sign,....

in fact when a mother who lost her child to this stupidity spoke up against the president, and the war....I believe the gun toting populace booed her and threatened her life if she didn't keep her "big" mouth shut,.....or have you all conveniently forgotten?,....

OK no one actually shot her,... then again,... no one raised up a gun against Bush either,....and I can't think of anyone who needed to be shot in the butt more than that man did,....

After all you don't always have to shoot to kill,.....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 622 (view)
 
guns at home
Posted: 8/8/2009 6:58:53 AM

Crime Statistics > Murders with firearms (most recent) by country

VIEW DATA: Totals Per capita
Definition Source Printable version

Showing latest available data. Rank Countries Amount
# 1 South Africa: 31,918
# 2 Colombia: 21,898
# 3 Thailand: 20,032
# 4 United States: 9,369
# 5 Philippines: 7,708
# 6 Mexico: 2,606
# 7 Slovakia: 2,356
# 8 El Salvador: 1,441
# 9 Zimbabwe: 598
# 10 Peru: 442
# 11 Germany: 269
# 12 Czech Republic: 181
# 13 Ukraine: 173
# 14 Canada: 144
# 15 Albania: 135
# 16 Costa Rica: 131
# 17 Azerbaijan: 120
# 18 Poland: 111
# 19 Uruguay: 109
# 20 Spain: 97
# 21 Portugal: 90
# 22 Croatia: 76
# 23 Switzerland: 68
# 24 Bulgaria: 63
# 25 Australia: 59
# 26 Sweden: 58
# 27 Bolivia: 52
# 28 Japan: 47
# 29 Slovenia: 39
= 30 Hungary: 38
= 30 Belarus: 38
# 32 Latvia: 28
# 33 Burma: 27
# 34 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 26
# 35 Austria: 25
# 36 Estonia: 21
# 37 Moldova: 20
# 38 Lithuania: 16
= 39 United Kingdom: 14
= 39 Denmark: 14
# 41 Ireland: 12
# 42 New Zealand: 10
# 43 Chile: 9
# 44 Cyprus: 4
# 45 Morocco: 1
= 46 Iceland: 0
= 46 Luxembourg: 0
= 46 Oman:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms


so the above are the stats of how many gun murders,...
below is of the total number of murders, how many are gun related so it's a ratio



Crime Statistics > Gun violence > Homicides > Overall homicide rate > per 100,000 pop. (most recent) by country
VIEW DATA: Totals
Definition Source Printable version

Bar Graph Map


Showing latest available data. Rank Countries Amount
# 1 South Africa: 125.965
# 2 Colombia: 114.5083
# 3 Guatemala: 43.9737
# 4 Thailand: 41.4695
# 5 Paraguay: 19.3959
# 6 Mexico: 17.7735
# 7 Belarus: 13.44
# 8 Lithuania: 12.2598
# 9 Zimbabwe: 11.9841
# 10 Estonia: 11.9795
# 11 Latvia: 11.2985
# 12 Barbados: 10.4869
# 13 Ukraine: 9.2747
# 14 United States: 9.1
# 15 Moldova: 8.5941
# 16 Uruguay: 7.1321
# 17 Côte d'Ivoire: 6.1367
# 18 Poland: 6.0362
# 19 Bulgaria: 4.8366
# 20 Slovakia: 4.8132
# 21 Macedonia, Republic of: 3.5943
# 22 Portugal: 3.31
# 23 Azerbaijan: 3.0314
# 24 Hungary: 2.49
# 25 Slovenia: 2.4145
# 26 Czech Republic: 1.9517
# 27 Australia: 1.8802
# 28 Chile: 1.7237
# 29 Germany: 1.635
# 30 Spain: 1.4962
# 31 New Zealand: 1.3574
# 32 Singapore: 0.9457

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_gun_vio_hom_ove_hom_rat_per_100_pop-rate-per-100-000-pop



you want stats,....then here you go,....


Getting rid of crime by banning guns will do about as much as getting rid of poverty by banning minimum wage jobs.


I think you misunderstand,...they are not trying to BAN min. wage jobs,...this will never happen,...what they are trying to do is raise the minimum wage to something above the poverty level,....

which as I see it will be handled by raising costs of goods and services,....
it's allways been the vicious cycle and most probably allways will be,...
just my opinion though,....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 620 (view)
 
guns at home
Posted: 8/8/2009 6:31:00 AM
sadly for you in the USA,...the issue seems to me, much akin to
locking the barn door after the horses have all run away,....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 233 (view)
 
US Sucked Into Israeli - Iran Conflict
Posted: 8/8/2009 5:20:05 AM
You know,...Canada has oil too,....a lot of it in fact,.....
why don't they send all those billions of dollars our way?,....

I'm currious though,....
the USA has been advocation for many years now for Israel to get out of occupied land,....Israels response has been to ignore that and continue encroaching further,....

How long do you continue to support someone who is so blatantly ignoring you and in fact by this encroachment IMO is instagating even more conflict?,.....

I think someone needs to draw a line in the sand,....literally and then stick to it,....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 11 (view)
 
UFOs - I hate to say
Posted: 8/7/2009 7:16:55 PM
these folks might disagree,...

http://canadaufo.blogspot.com/2009/01/canadian-ufo-sighting-reports-551.html

HBCC UFO Research* and *UFOINFO* together have received 551 written and audio UFO sighting reports from January 1, 2008 up until December 31, 2008 and in 2008 we received more reports than we did in 2007.

and that's only Canadian sightings

but the reason may be the same,....now that I think of it
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 1021 (view)
 
Ex-CIA agent: Waterboarding 'saved lives'
Posted: 8/7/2009 12:51:52 PM
it would certainly go a long way to regain some of your countries admiration ,....
you were once held in such high regard,....do you really want to loose that globally forever?

I know some of you have said who cares,...etc,....but I suspect most of you do,....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 9 (view)
 
UFOs - I hate to say
Posted: 7/20/2009 10:33:15 AM

perhaps they're waiting for *us* to grow up .


I know if I was them I would consider us far too volitile and predictable,...
and if they have been paying attention to global politict,....they know that we lie to get what we want,...and that the friend we embrace one day , may just be the leader of the country we invade tomorrow,... if it suits our purpose,.....likewise the enemy we consider today might just be our frind and ally tomorrow,...

so if we can't trust one another,....what makes us think an alien would,...or indeed should?
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 64 (view)
 
Why do some men feel the need to make women feel bad?
Posted: 7/14/2009 2:02:55 PM
anyone who makes him/herself bigger by making someone else smaller says more about whom?

I have met and known some of these types,...
The great thing about being single is,.... I can walk away from such a person,....isn't freedom grant?
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 4 (view)
 
South African rape survey shock
Posted: 7/14/2009 1:45:44 PM
I have talked face to face with several woemen who have endured this and survived,....

How can any of our petty complaints come even close to what they have lived through?

I'm ashamed to even think of what I thought was tough,....If it were up to me I'd say bring them all here,...God knows we have enough room here in Canada,.....

Now that would be doing something,......
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 173 (view)
 
US Sucked Into Israeli - Iran Conflict
Posted: 7/14/2009 8:27:49 AM
Back on point,.....

no one get's sucked into any war,...unless the powers want to be in it,....period,...not one war ever!!!!! you can check your history if you like,....

They get into them because there is something to be gained by those powers to be,....
and as recent history has shown they can even start them on a whim for no other reason than they want to,.... you need not look further than the Presidency of the baby bush,.....what's scarry is how many people actually bought his incredible pile of bull shit,...lock stock and barrel,....

when I spoke of this before the Iraq war,....that would be #2,....I was poo pooed by many,...ridiculed,....and called a hater of the USA,....

I was amazed at how many people blindly believed,.....I still am,....all the time,....but I am no longer surprised,...
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 1019 (view)
 
Ex-CIA agent: Waterboarding 'saved lives'
Posted: 7/14/2009 8:20:01 AM
boys play nice,...OK?

in⋅sol⋅vent  /ɪnˈsɒlvənt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [in-sol-vuhnt] Show IPA
Use insolvent in a Sentence

–adjective 1. not solvent; unable to satisfy creditors or discharge liabilities, either because liabilities exceed assets or because of inability to pay debts as they mature.
2. pertaining to bankrupt persons or bankruptcy.

–noun 3. a person who is insolvent.

Synonyms:
1. penniless, destitute, impoverished, bankrupt.

*****************************************************************************

The only way the united states stays afloat,...(and trust me at this point that's all you get to claim),.....is because other countries globally allows it,...if everyone called in all the debts the USA ows at once,...the USA would cease to exist,....

So far this is not in their own interest but be carefull, don't forget that so far throughout history, no one has ever stayed number one forever,....

Not the Greek, the Egyptians, the Myans, the Incas, Aztecs....Chineese, Germans,...The British Empire,.....well you get the point,...

so remember what you use on other's because there is always a chance they might use it back,.....I am now referring to waterboarding,..or any other form of brutallity,...our imagination in which shows no bounds,.....

So how about getting back to the subject matter ok?

or start a new thread,....the downfall of the most recent empire,....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 7 (view)
 
UFOs - I hate to say
Posted: 7/14/2009 8:03:16 AM
I just hope they hurry up and take a bow before we stupid humans destroy each other over stupid things like,....
my God better than your God,...or killing each other for oil,...

or

maybe that's what they are waiting for,.....whoah ha ha ha ha
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 8 (view)
 
ESOTERIC AGENDA THE MOVIE - PLEASE WATCH & THEN COMMENT.
Posted: 7/14/2009 7:57:32 AM
How does the saying go again?,...

the only way three people can keep a secret,....is if two of them are dead,....

conspiracies are all around us,...so is a modicum of bull fodder,....
even with proof how do any of us know the difference anymore,...
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 9 (view)
 
Fake Profiles
Posted: 7/14/2009 7:33:52 AM
the thing that makes this site so easy to use also lends itself to this kind of gag,...and that's what it is after all,...consider yourself punked and move on,...

actually this kind of thing isn't new,...only in my day we used a thing called a telephone,....but the black kind with a rotary wheel and stuck to the wall,...

not sure what they used before that but I am sure they did,....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 152 (view)
 
2 jurors believed Michael Jackson actually was guilty
Posted: 7/12/2009 6:02:55 AM
at the end of the day jurrors are not south seers,....

they are merely people who have opinions based on more facts than the average guy,..

That's it nothing more,...nothing less,....Michael is Dead,...let him rest,...please

ultimately it no longer matters to anyone except the primarry people involved,....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 5 (view)
 
Third horse dies at Calgary Stampede
Posted: 7/12/2009 6:00:22 AM
First of all let me prefface this by saying,.... I hate any animal abuse,....and ask you this,....

Would the horse become extinct if WE no longer had any use for them?
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 5 (view)
 
UFOs - I hate to say
Posted: 7/12/2009 5:55:49 AM
does anyone really believe that we could have taken thousands of years to finally get something to fly,.....and in a mere hundred plus years get to where we are today with the technology most of US don't even comprihend how to use??????

I mean honestly people,.....

but how nice would it be to have one rumour that wouldn't go away finally be confirmed in the positive,....can I live that long
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 27 (view)
 
Racists and Hate criminals should be weeded out and prosecuted.
Posted: 7/12/2009 5:37:57 AM

It is quite amusing actually.


No it's not actually,.....

It's sad,...pathetic,...unimaginative,...and devoid in anything one might consider research or proof,....but,....

funny,...not so much,....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 25 (view)
 
Racists and Hate criminals should be weeded out and prosecuted.
Posted: 6/20/2009 9:50:09 AM
prosecuting hate crimes makes sense only if a threat comes with the hate,....

But I suspect the only way to get rid of hate,....is through education,....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 10 (view)
 
R.I.P. Rodney Dangerfield
Posted: 6/20/2009 8:50:36 AM
Good God I can't stand it,....
seems I am finaly at that time in my life when they are all dropping like flies,.....

but I still refuse to read the obits,...it was hard enough, getting over George Carlins' death,.,...I wonder whose next,....(these things come in 3's you know)
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 48 (view)
 
HIV infected man who lied to sex partners sent to prison for 56 months
Posted: 6/20/2009 8:45:20 AM

Thursday, November 4th, 2004 | Volume 94, Number 17

The case of a Toronto man accused of knowingly spreading HIV to a young woman
By Erika Richmond

Police arrested 28-year old Vincent Walkem at his workplace, a downtown Toronto clothing store, on August 30. Walkem, who is HIV-positive, has since been charged with aggravated assault and accused of engaging and attempting to engage in unprotected sexual intercourse with at least three women – without revealing his infection.

According to health records released to police, Walkem had known he was HIV-positive for almost three years. His name and photograph were released to the media in the hope that women who had sexual contact with him would come forward. So far, police have received several such reports.

A young woman who tested HIV-positive during her relationship with Walkem tipped off the police. That young woman is my best friend.

There is a widespread misconception among university students that the risk of HIV pertains to other, disenfranchised demographics. Not so. A 2001 study done by Health Canada shows that 44.5 per cent of new HIV cases in Canada involve young women aged 15 to 29. The stories of those who had alleged relationships with Walkem are exclusively from that demographic; my friend’s story is not as rare as it may seem.

A year and a half after her diagnosis, I felt, along with a need to understand how the law views cases like this, that it was time to share my friend’s story with other people our age, as a warning and perhaps an inspiration.

HIV/AIDS among the young a cause for concern?



HIV/AIDS is an phenomenon that is increasingly affecting women, particularly young women. They represent a growing proportion of positive HIV test reports. According to a fact-sheet put out by the AIDS Committee of Toronto, women accounted for about one in four of all HIV diagnoses in Canada from 2001 to 2003. In the years between 1985 and 1997, they accounted for only 12 per cent of HIV diagnoses.

Women also made up over 38 per cent of all positive HIV test reports among Canadians aged 15 to 29 in 2002. In the same year, heterosexual contact remained the main risk factor for HIV infection among women – accounting for 58.3 per cent of positive HIV test reports.

Women are an increasing proportion of Canadians living with AIDS, from 6.1 per cent before 1994 to 16.5 per cent in 2002.

HIV/AIDS is also an issue of concern for young people around the world and in Canada. According to the 2004 UNAIDS Report on the Global AIDS Epidemic, young people aged 15 to 24 account for half of all new HIV infections worldwide. An estimated 10 million young people are living with HIV/AIDS in the world today. In Canada, youth aged 15 to 29 accounted for just over a quarter of all positive HIV test reports from 1985 to 2003.

There are many possible explanations for the recent steps backward in the fight against HIV/AIDS. One is that Canadians are less wary about the risks of infection than in years past. It is an idea that seems to be disproved by a recent survey commissioned by the Public Health Agency of Canada. While nine of ten Canadians see themselves as having a low risk of contracting HIV/AIDS, higher risk groups – such as youth and those with multiple sexual partners – are conscious of their higher risk of infection. 59 per cent of youths under 25 years of age also believe that the risk of contracting HIV/AIDS is higher than it was ten years ago.

What may be a disconcerting result from the survey is the number of Canadians who do not engage in safer sex practices – almost half of respondents. Of those who do not practice safer sex, 87 per cent attributed the decision to the fact that they are in a monogamous relationship.

World AIDS day is on December 1 and will feature events at McGill.

—compiled by Rishi Hargovan, with files from the AIDS Committee of Toronto and the Public Health Agency of Canada


A typical story?

My friend, who asked not to be named, says she began a relationship with Walkem in the summer of 2002. Fresh out of high school, she stayed in Toronto to try her luck in the acting, dancing, and restaurant-waiting world. She was on her own for the first time, experiencing the thrill of a new school and the city without parents. She was also falling in love for the first time. In those first months, my friend seemed more content than she had ever been.

It was a painful awakening when Walkem’s co-worker told her to get tested for HIV. Neither of us wanted to believe she could be at risk. To be safe, she went to get tested. A family friend who is very active in the HIV non-profit community went with her to get the devastating results. At 19, she was HIV-positive.

The news confounded everyone who knew her. The relationship between my friend and Walkem ended with the news that they were both HIV-positive. This past summer, a chance encounter between my friend and Walkem’s new girlfriend led them to contact the police.

When police gained access to his public health records, they determined Walkem had tested HIV-positive and had been informed of his status a year before he met my friend. Police immediately charged Walkem with aggravated assault.

The criminalization question

In order to understand what kind of protection the law offers people like my friend, I spoke with the University of British Columbia’s Dean of Law, Mary Anne Bobinski.

Bobinski told me that in the precedent-setting case of Crown vs. Cuerrier, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that people with HIV who fail to disclose their status before engaging in unprotected intercourse can be convicted of aggravated assault.

“The central question in the Cuerrier case was: Is it better to place the responsibility on individuals to protect themselves, or should criminal law be used?” said Bobinski. The judges in that case decided that there was a “significant risk of serious harm” and therefore the law should intervene.

The failure to disclose was characterised as fraud, and therefore consent for intercourse was deemed legally invalid. Furthermore, because the HIV virus causes bodily harm, the act was determined to be aggravated assault.

At the time of the Supreme Court’s ruling, there arose considerable controversy over what was seen as the criminalization of HIV.

“There has been debate about whether or not criminalization makes sense; some groups thought that it may discourage people from getting tested,” Bobinski said.

AIDS activists argued that criminalizing HIV infection would undermine HIV prevention and make people reluctant to get tested. Many feared high profile cases would also reinforce strong stigmas against people living with HIV by portraying them as criminals.

A 2002 paper from the Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS questioned the utility and wisdom of criminalization. “In (using criminal law for) deterring a person who knows he or she is HIV-positive from engaging in risky behaviours without disclosure, policy-makers must consider the impact that such prosecutions may have on people’s willingness to get tested in the first place...a key element of effective HIV prevention strategies,” the paper states.

The UN report suggests that public health laws, including those compelling people with HIV to disclose their status to partners, ordering them not to have sex, or forcing medical treatment, are strong enough measures to combat acts like those alleged in Walkem’s case. Such legislation could be backed up with fines, but the report maintains that HIV transmission should not be criminalized.

After Crown v. Cuerrier, public health offices all over Canada began to warn their patients of the potential criminal charges for non-disclosure. Public health counsels all patients living with HIV on their “responsibilities” to stop the spread of the disease. Public health also engages in “contact tracing” or partner notification. The public health official will ask the patient to contact people with whom they have had sex or shared intravenous drugs. If the patient is reluctant, the official is obliged to do so.

In a September 1 interview with the Toronto Star, the Director of Public Health for the city of Toronto, Rita Shahin, said: “Most people who are infected behave responsibly.”

However, there are at least ten previous Canadian cases of people with HIV knowingly withholding information or misinforming their partners in order to have unprotected sex.

The Supreme Court of Canada chose criminal prosecution as a means to deter possible public health offenders, punish those who knowingly spread HIV, and protect innocent people from infection.

Because of my first-hand knowledge, I have been convinced that public health counselling alone does not always effectively encourage disclosure.

The Toronto Star recently interviewed another former girlfriend of Walkem’s. Jessica Whitbread told them she had just parted ways with Walkem, in December 2001, when he told her that he was HIV-positive. She too went through the ordeal of testing positive for HIV.

Seven months later, Walkem met my friend for the first time.

The new face of HIV/AIDS

Today, my friend attends university and gives AIDS awareness talks and workshops to youth. She wants to get the message out to young women that they are at risk of HIV infection. Contrary to popular belief, my friend, and Whitbread as well, are emblematic of the new face of HIV/AIDS. Young women are the fastest growing HIV risk group, but perceptions are slow to change.

“Forget stereotypes,” my friend said. “I was in a trusting, monogamous relationship. HIV can happen to anyone.”

Even with AIDS in the news almost daily, recent studies have shown that people under 24 are the most ignorant of the risks of HIV. “People talk about condom fatigue and people are tired of those messages,” said Shahin. The perception that “miracle” drugs have turned HIV into a chronic disease also may reinforce the misconception that HIV is not as dangerous as it once was.

Walkem now awaits trial for his alleged crime in the strict custody of his family. Whitbread recently participated in the Toronto AIDS walk, with 87 of her closest supporters and friends.

For my friend, the news of her infection helped her decide to get her studies started. She is now a full-time modern dance student. Touched by a horrendous betrayal and living through the fear of illness, her courage, drive, and passion are an inspiration to all those who know her. “It really put life into perspective for me,” she told me. “While at first I felt sorry for myself, it has actually made me incredibly motivated.”

http://www.mcgilldaily.com/view.php?aid=3126



Let me repeat this because I think this is the main reason he was convicted,....


When police gained access to his public health records, they determined Walkem had tested HIV-positive and had been informed of his status a year before he met my friend. Police immediately charged Walkem with aggravated assault.


In my opinion,...he should have gotten MORE jail time,.....and have been charged with murder,....as should anyone who does this sort of thing
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 2 (view)
 
South African rape survey shock
Posted: 6/20/2009 8:09:11 AM
If there is an actual law against rape,....then they need to be prosecuted, to the full extent of their law,....

and if their laws are insufficient,...then they need to introduce and pass laws against it,....

To me the most horrific thing is that they believe that any man who is positive for HIV, will be cured by passing the illness onto a child under 2,....the idea of raping a child still in diapers,.... is to me beyond forgivable,....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 22 (view)
 
Racists and Hate criminals should be weeded out and prosecuted.
Posted: 6/18/2009 7:54:08 AM

Klamm faces one count of felony stalking and a hate crime enhancement for allegedly harassing his neighbor.


Seems to me all is as it should have been,....both crimes were considered,....

as for his mitigating circumstances,....the stroke,...that should be looked into as well and if that can be medically reversed, then and only then should it count towards reducing his sentance,....

so what's the debate again?
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 304 (view)
 
guns at home
Posted: 6/15/2009 11:12:49 AM
What branch of service were you in and your duty station?


I was in thetri service,...a stupid experiment that lasted only a few years where all branches of the military had the exact same uniform on,....since I was stationed to a hospital as a medic, I wore a nurses uniform on duty anyway,....

on a side note that tri service experiment failed because the pride for service in an individual branch seemed lost in the process,...once that ended we all were required to choose,...even the nursing staff,......so I chose Navy,....

I was stationed at CFB Cornwallis,...CFB Borden, CFBHalifax Hospital,....
and since my ex was also in the service,....I did another 16 years of postings as his spouse , includidg two years at CFB Goose Bay,...(wayyyyy the hell up north,...BRRrrr)

After he went the way of the DODO,....I joined the core of commissionair,....working as a prison matron responsible for females and juveniles at Halifax's main Police station,. for the 48 hour lock up,....also known as the drunk tank,....but we processed everyone arrested in Halifax for any offense,...so that's a bit of a misnomer,....

My military service, being over 3 years,...(The core's basic standard), allowed me to join the core of commissionairs,....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 296 (view)
 
guns at home
Posted: 6/15/2009 5:13:11 AM
I'm sure a lot of people, and particularly women, feel nervous around guns. But I think it's fair to say that fades away pretty fast as you get more familiar with them.


It is possible to be familiar with guns and still not wish to own one,...

I myself was in the military 3 and a half years during which I was required to use and maintain my weapons (AK47 and hand gun), having spent enough time taking them apart to clean them.... in fact I had to re quallify every 6 months, even though I was a medic,.... during that time I was neither nervous nor unfamilliar with them,....

Regardless,.....I have no compunction what so ever to keep one in my home,....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 45 (view)
 
NAACP Wins Dictionary Battle
Posted: 6/14/2009 11:41:38 PM
you know when I first came to Canada back in the 60's
I used to be called the "N" word,....all the time,....

of course back then,....it also stood for Nazi,....

go figure eh?
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Stephen Colbert and the troops
Posted: 6/14/2009 11:02:16 PM
he is wanted for the Embassy bombings and was in fact charged. As for 911, we do know that as head of Al Qaeda, he was responsible for that attack.


what ever happened to inocent until proven guilty in a court of law?
just wondering,....

and because I was currious about the actual arrest warrant issued against Usama Bin Laden,....I decided to look it up,....

Offences
Categories of Offences: CRIMES AGAINST LIFE AND HEALTH, CRIMES INVOLVING THE USE OF WEAPONS/EXPLOSIVES, TERRORISM, TERRORISM CONSPIRACY
Arrest Warrant Issued by: MADRID (COURT NR 5) / Spain, SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, NEW YORK / United States, TRIPOLI / Libya

UN information indicates that: 'Saudi citizenship withdrawn, now officially an Afghan national'.
Other POB: Yemen.

UN Sanctions
Pursuant to Security Council Resolution 1267 (1999) and successor resolutions, including resolution 1822 (2008), the Subject is under the following UN Sanctions: Freezing of Assets, Travel Ban and Arms Embargo. The Subject has the following permanent reference number on the list maintained by the UN Security Council Al-Qaida and Taliban Sanctions Committee (1267 Committee) which appears in the Special Notice for this subject: QI.B.8.01.

WANTED by Interpol
IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION CONTACT

YOUR NATIONAL OR LOCAL POLICE

ICPO-INTERPOL General Secretariat, (Command & Coordination Center, Tel: +33 472 44 76 76 - Email : ccc@interpol.int
http://www.interpol.int/Public/Data/Wanted/Notices/Data/1998/32/1998_20232.asp


I wonder whose warrant takes priority/ or is it a matter of who catches him first?,....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 293 (view)
 
guns at home
Posted: 6/14/2009 10:31:06 PM
I see no point in this round robin style of debate,....it acomplishes nothing

so,....you are right,....you win,....
clearly I am wrong in any and all comments and opinions I have made on this thread to date,....

there,....now are you happy?

but FYI,....
What if it was your kids? Would you still say that if its their time, then so be it, and not fight for their lives?


This seems to be a bit of hitting below the belt but let me explain to you what I mean by my theory of,.... if it's your time to go,....

I personally have seen a man jumping out of an airplain, and have his chute fail,....I happen to be working in the hospital where he was treated,..(not on my ward) he broke just about every bone in his body but he survived,....

and then there are people like Christopher reeves who should have died of his injuries but didn't,.....

I also had a cancer patient who should have died two years before I even met him but he was determined to walk his daughter down the isle, The day he did this he came home (back to the hospital) elated, and after telling us all about the wedding, he went to bed,...and died,....

so yes if it's my childrens (or mine for that matter ) time to die,....all my fighting, and efforts,.....( and believe me I would if I could fight with my very last breath) would be to no avail,... the way you know it's your time to go,.....is by not waking up again,...ever!,....sheeeesh!

as for my not taking anyone with me coment,....I am saying that providing I don't die in some sort of accident that also takes the life of someone else,....by not having a gun,...I eliminate some of the possibilities,....

I personally don't spend my every waking moment thinking how I could be gotten,....
good grief you could what if yourself to death,....(pun intended)

so,... are we done now?,...(rhetorical,...BTW)....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 289 (view)
 
guns at home
Posted: 6/14/2009 7:11:05 PM

Still waiting for those options from you marita b.


go back a page,...I listed three,..you come up with your own,...or not,...
I actually don't care,...since you seem to be more interested in proving me wrong, than to modify your thingking an iota,....so I preferr to debate the subject matter at hand and not you personally,...If that's ok with you,...

I tried to say that yesterday but was blocked by the only so many postings rule,....

unlimately for each of us time will only tell in retrospect if we have done what was right for us and our families,...and when it's my time to go regardless how I meet my end,...this much I know,...I will do my very best not to take anyone with me,....hence no gun for me,...

I can live with that,....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 285 (view)
 
guns at home
Posted: 6/14/2009 3:38:01 PM
eloquent as always MG,....and thank you
in my round about way of saying things at times you have made the point I was trying to,....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Stephen Colbert and the troops
Posted: 6/14/2009 2:52:11 PM
My son and I stayed up every night that week just to watch,....
we catch the show, which follows the daily show (another one of our favorite) here at midnight,...
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 15 (view)
 
Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, being reelected for a second constitutional term
Posted: 6/14/2009 2:11:49 PM
rarely am I ever surprised these days, (rarer still plesantly),about the opinions expressed by others,...
well the above postings have acomplished just that,....

I whole heartedly agree with Chiny®™© ,....and scorpiomover



<div class="quote"> As for Israel. IMO Iran has every right to develop an electricity generating capacity that is independent of the eco-dirty oil and coal methods. Who gave the US, UK and Israel the absolute right to say who can and who cannot have nuclear energy?

For far too long, Israel has had carte blanche in Western Asia through its ultimate and real ability to control the US Gov’t and popular opinion in the US populace. It’s time the US freed itself of the Israeli yoke and embraced truth instead of spin.

somehow I suspect I won't live long enough to see this come to pass,...but it would be nice,...

There are many UN trade embargoes/sanctions placed on Iran that are directly a result of US and UK lobbying in the UN Security Council for no other reason than Iran will not let the US and UK pillage its oil resources. Please don’t bring up Iran’s so-called covert interference in the Iraqi War as no country has interfered in Iraq as much as the US and UK whom have jointly co-authored nothing but death and destruction in Iraq. That’s ditto for Lebanon and Syria.

no kidding eh?
I say either everybody is entitled or no one should be,....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, being reelected for a second constitutional term
Posted: 6/13/2009 2:59:57 PM
Russia plans to start up Iran nuclear plant in 2009


By Reuters Russia, Iran, Nuclear

Russia plans to start up a nuclear reactor at Iran's Bushehr plant by the end of the year, the head of Russia's state nuclear corporation said on Thursday.

The move is likely to stoke fears over Iran's suspected intention to build atomic weapons. Iran insists that its nuclear program is for purely civilian purposes.

Israel has expressed concern about the Bushehr plant and said last year that Iran could have a nuclear bomb by 2010.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1061938.html


some might be more concerned than other's,....
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 82 (view)
 
Manson follower wants compassion...........................
Posted: 6/13/2009 2:34:47 PM
interesting how someone's words come back to haunt them,....
Sharon Tate according to the Manson follower's begged for compassion not so much for herself but her unborn baby,....and was stabbed some more directly in the belly for her answer,....

and Susan,...wasn't she the one who also attempted to kill off the then sitting president Ford? I may be wrong but don't feel bothered to look it up right now,...so my bad if I am,...
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 1 (view)
 
Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, being reelected for a second constitutional term
Posted: 6/13/2009 2:16:46 PM
Syrian President Bashar al-Assad sent on Saturday a congratulatory cable to President of Iran Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on occasion of being reelected for a second constitutional term. According to SANA news agency, al-Assad expressed confidence in the continuation of bolstering friendship between the peoples of the two countries and strengthening relations and joint cooperation between Syria and Iran

Anti-riot police deployed in the streets of Tehran Saturday with the count pointing to a massive victory by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Friday's presidential election.

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Ahmadinejad slams his rivals

Posted: 10-06-2009 , 13:35 GMT


Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Wednesday that enemies want to take revenge on the Iranian nation because of the outcome of the previous elections. "Their (enemies) problem and target is not Ahmadinejad; rather, they want to take revenge on the nation because Iranian nation's sin was their new choice in the previous elections, thus breaking the closed circuit and prohibited zone and saying a big 'no' to arrogant and corrupt individuals," Ahmadinejad told his supporters and in Tehran's Azadi Square.

Quoted by IRNA, Ahmadinejad warned that the ill-wishers of the nation have now come to the scene to take revenge on the people. The Iranian leader said that with God's grace, the nation will on June 12 say yet a 'bigger no' to the enemies, thus throwing them to the abyss of history.

Elsewhere in his remarks, President Ahmadinejad criticized his elections rivals for vilifying and leveling accusations against him, saying he will in a 45-minute TV program respond to all charges against him.

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According to the AP, police gathered around key government buildings and mobile phone text messaging blocked in a bid to block communication tools of the pro-reform movement of Mir Hossein Mousavi.

A statement from Mousavi posted on his Web site called on his supporters to resist a "governance of lie and dictatorship."

Outside the Interior Ministry, which directed Friday's voting, security forces set up a cordon. An expected announcement on the full outcome was temporarily put on hold. No reason was conveyed for the delay.

"I'm warning that I won't surrender to this manipulation," said the Mousavi statement on the Web on Saturday. "The outcome of what we've seen from the performance of officials ... is nothing but shaking the pillars of the Islamic Republic of Iran sacred system and governance of lie and dictatorship."

He warned "people won't respect those who take power through fraud" and called the decision to announce Ahmadinejad winner of the elction was a "treason to the votes of the people." The headline on one of Mousavi's Web sites: "I won't give in to this dangerous manipulation."

Meanwhile, Guardians Council (GC) spokesman Abbasali Kadkhodaie said 82 percent of the eligible Iranians turned out in the 10th Presidential Elections on Friday. He said while the GC initially anticipated 70 percent voter turnout, the figure rose to over 82 percent, according to the latest reports attained.

http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Iran/247942
(www.albawaba.com)


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what does this mean to the rest of the world?,....opinions?,....comments?
 marita_b
Joined: 6/15/2005
Msg: 964 (view)
 
Ex-CIA agent: Waterboarding 'saved lives'
Posted: 6/13/2009 1:19:01 PM

Not sure what any of it has to do with the fact that valuable information was attained due to the Enhanced Interrogation Methods and the water boarding of the three terrorists but it was a rant worth looking into.


A Nazi by the name of Mengele,... tortured people to gain information,....
information being used in every single hospital in the world today,....

were the torture of some an exceptable way of doing buisiness,...then why isn't this method continued today? I mean if your going to torture anyway why not get something out of it,....besides a mix of lies and truths so intermingled as to be undefineable,...

Should the Holocaust Museum be notified?


maybe,...what do you think?
 
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