They didn't cut corners at all. This is perfectly in line with their business model.

They brought out Windows 95 with lots of bugs. Then when the customers had effectively tested Windows 95 and found the bugs, they brought out the finished version and called it Windows 95.

Then they brought out Windows 2000, let the customers test it, and then brought out Windows XP later as the finished version.

Then they brought out Windows Vista, let the customers test it, and then brought out Windows 7 as the finished version.

It saves them millions, because they don't need to test it themselves. They get almost double the income, by lots of consumers buying both versions. They've done it 3 times and every time, their customer base have accepted it.

It's a successful business strategy. You cannot blame them for making money with a strategy that has been successful again and again.

It's us consumers who are willing to fall for it. We're the mugs.

If she is 45 to 60 years old, the judge knows she will face age discrimination in the job market. If she hasn't worked outside the home for 23 years, she will face lack of experience discrimination and lack of recently upgraded skills will be another factor

Lesson of this thread is that men must be very cheap if they care about paying for dinner when women pay so much for personal appearance things like all that has been mentioned on this thread and men pay comparatively little.

correct me if I'm wrong...but don't most of you single ladies do all that stuff on a regular basis regardless of whether you have a date or not???

I know very few women who will pass up an oppourtunity for some retail therapy or pampering just because they enjoy it...aside from the ouchy parts.

Men would spoil themselves the same way except our kind of therapy involves either exotic or antique cars...and that doesn't leave much left over for that date we're expected to pay for.

okay Big Daddy... we all fall for the hype that sells everything from cosmetics to perfume, lingerie silk stockings, and stay ups.. but you know what? I like putting all that on for me, so I can feel feminine and sexy for my guy!

Only if they change the version # or model name...They do not make Wifi Adapters with the same exact name but different chipsets.

For example, a lot of girls like to date within 5 years of their age. I myself know a large number of females that think this way. Friends, co-workers, relatives, etc. You can read forum posts from females of all ages explaining that they don't want to date someone 5, or 10 or more years older.

Cool dude I hope you're kidding, either you need new glasses or you don't know how to apply thermal paste.

I hope you find the nice foreign lady sucking up to you for a green card. Get a pre-nup. Just calling it as I see it.

they'll have totem installed and ready to play a limited number of media file types

But, the problem is, as those of who use Ubuntu (or any other distro) know that these free apps are not as powerful as the "real thing" - real thing being those over-the-counter products.

Of course Envy has made it easy to install video card drivers, but even then you have a ton of work to do.

Commands make it difficult to use too. sudo apt-get install xyz.xxx. Dealing with repositories, so on and so on.

I would love to get rid of Windows completely. But, until I can install a game, an app, or whatever in a few minutes (with WINE if necessary) and it work out a hitch I'll be forced to keep that damn 2 gig virus installed on a seperate partition. And,yes I realize that it is often not the fault of Linux that mainstream companies refuse to write or port their products for Linux compatibility - I get that. But, the more user friendly... I mean truly user friendly Linux gets the more popular it will become and the more market share it will take.

Good point - so why do men still complain about women looking for a free ride? Golddiggers? If they expect women to be independent,

And I agree 100% with you. But I just came back from a thread where a poster said (and I'm only paraphrasing here) that the only two reasons a woman would want to get married is because she needs to be financially supported and/or she wants to make sure she's entitled to half his stuff when she leaves.

And that's just ONE post...there are literally hundreds of posts that basically say the same thing over and over again...it's all over these forums!

Then why do they place women in a position where they feel they need to defend themselves? As much as men should expect it - a lot of them show in what they say and how they act that they're still worried about a woman wanting what they have.

Ok out of those four programs (just four off the top of my head that I have been working with) 75% of them have been nothing but a hassel to get up and running without issue. SEVENTY FIVE percent.

The four example programs I just listed as the very same type applications a typical computer user would want and need. Do you really think they're going to have the patients to sit around for three days trying to get the to work, when they can do so with Windows in a matter of minutes?

With Windows? Pop in the disk, install and off you go. With Linux? Try to install, keeping trying, ok got it installed, now tweek this and tweek that, change this config file, change that config file - and most of the time it'll still run buggy as hell.

Linux is weak, it's always been weak. That comes with it being utter fragmented with 100's of variations.

The point I have been trying to make is that until Linux becomes more user friendly - and don't give me this "most people just want to check email anyway, because that's total bunk" it'll never make a dent in the market place.

I have never heard a man say, "I'm independent, I don't need a woman"... never. Now that I think about it, I've never heard a man say, "I'm independent"... not once in 27 years.

By contrast, men have never had to clear that up, because men were never househusbands, and most women haven't been targeted by men for support/financial stability. It's a given that men are independent (or should be) because it's always been expected of them.

Endless Harrassments for a Variety of Permissions

psychotic Directory Structures

Threads that go unanswered for Weeks if not Months and see if that all makes any sense to you.

Apple is even worse than Microsoft.

At least Microsoft like and allow other developers to develope software for their platform, Apple usually allow you to submit an idea then seal it from you, or say its not good enough and then go on to develop it and claim as its their development money and you didnt patent it its all theirs...

It would totally piss me off if my man would add people to his facebook or myspace or whatever account. What's the point of having an account for the public to view? Set it to private or close the account; both of you. This way the problem is dealt with. Case closed.

The annoying security popups people complain about? Oh, sure, annoying....but next time a malicious advert tries to infect your computer, you'll be glad it alerted you.

"Dependency" is a COMPARISON, not a quantifiable measurement. I do agree that those who "define" themselves as....easy going, reasonable, romantic, sensual....or good kissers!!! LOL! ARE making subjective comparisons of themselves and would be much more accurate if they stated " I have been told that I am.....blah, blah, blah...whatever".

Anyway, the topic of this thread isn't about independent women per se, it's about red flags on women's profiles, but either way, BOTH topics are redundant and biitching about other people's profiles is a no-no and is used in the Rules and Regulations of this forum as an example of what constitute an invalid thread.

"I do NOT need a man"

I believe it's actually 'I do not NEED a man'. Again, a nuance can mean a great difference.

The point which you seem oddly reluctant to acknowledge is, however nuanced, both are still negative sentiments.

Besides that, it seems to be rather hopeful to expect someone to place the same nuance on it, especially if we need to resort to all caps to make the point.

"I do NOT need a man"

I believe it's actually 'I do not NEED a man'. Again, a nuance can mean a great difference.

But they should just say meet first and then go from there to see if you even qualify for a first date.

In other words, your actions through dating will show them that you are not clingy or financially dependant without having to state so. Because that is the real and more accurate indicator of what your real intentions are going to be.


Your actions through dating will also show men you have a sense of humour (or not), are sarcastic (or not), like to go for those long walks on beaches (or not), are confident (or not), ad nauseum. So, why state anything in a profile at all? If you chose to believe all the smarmy sweetness that is put forth in profiles in order to attract men and it turns out these women wind up actually being cling-ons or total biotches, why is it any less difficult to believe that a woman who states they don't need a man and are independent could mean simply that they aren't a cling-on or a biotch who use men in a self-serving way? In reality, the one who states they don't need a man and are independent could actually be the more straight up, believable individuals from the get go. If you have a doubt of what they mean by the phrase, coummicating with them will actually provide clarification...don't communicate with them and you'll never know. It's amazing what people can miss out on by pre-judging and assuming. Just a thought.

Now, had I used 'independent' in my profile, I would have done so to reassure the numerous men who are terrified of clingy and/or financially dependent women

The only way,I find, is to read , email, chat and then date for a while when it comes to on line dating. Yes you can glean some information here in the forums about what messages could mean but its up to each person to decide what works for them. IMHO

Well, hallelujah and praise the lord - a person who allows for the possibility of his own misinterpretation and is willing to enquire before judging. Sir, please clone yourself - the world needs a few billion of you!

I know apple dont support it.
If OS X is as good as you say apple wont need to support it will they?
After all its the prefect OS, so your point is rather pointless ;)

Admin has intimated that continual first contact mails ot Other Relationship will also trip the filter

PER BARBEE 1970

"The rude response wasn't necessary. I don't like to give my IM out either. I think you did the right thing.

The problem I encounter is that men don't want to have an intelligent conversation with instant messenger. They always have to start thinking with their little heads(between their legs) and talk about sex."

I think Barbee 1970 was SPOT ON as well...

The way I see it that was a kind gentle way to say I didn't want to be asked for that information in a first contact email. Not everyone tosses out their messenger id...ALL of my friends are cautious about who they toss it out to...My instant messenger is reserved for friends and family...I do not want to go the trouble of removing someone if they don't have normal social skills...I don't feel it is my job to teach them either ...Grown adults should know what good manners are already...

Not everyone tosses out their messenger id...

I don't feel it is my job to teach them either ...Grown adults should know what good manners are already...

When people google me they find another guy with my name. And my name is not common. He is in the same industry and we have a lot in common. The next six, not so much. I know people google me because they come up with the wrong info about me all the time

The main problem with the fave count being displayed was with some people's predilection for making assumptions based in ignorance.

I am now sitting here with a friend who just came to visit, who is a former police psychologist and has had a lot of contact with sex offenders, predators and other deviant personality types. (He's also the parent of two school-aged kids.) I showed him this thread and he was livid. He asked me to write this on his behalf:
"Anyone who posts pictures of young kids, be they your kids, grandkids, nieces, nephews or the kid from down the street on an online dating site needs their goddamned head examined! This is highly exploitive, and downright dangerous. Even if these kids aren't in any imminent physical danger, do you want some pervert whacking off to a photo of them? Hate to be so crude, but this happens all the time. So I implore those who do this to knock it off, ASAP!"
Uh, I think he probably knows a little more about the subject than the rest of us on here!

predators do not need a picture to find a victim with children, all they have to do is read a profile to learn who does or who does not have children. it is foolish to think that having a picture with your children increases your chances of being a victim. predators will target the adult with the lowest resistance and that can be discovered in the first conversation with or without a picture.

Guys, we should be ashamed of ourselves, if these are the kinds of "lures" we're using to convince women to write back to us on this site

Wow. This OP is from 2005. And some of the people that posted on the original string with the original poster are still on this site.

And bitter as hell. This is not encouraging.

I have said it in my 30's and now at 40. ..Men are finished in dating and love and sex when they hit thier 40's these days.
Women are in the driver's seat now, call the shots and have the power. Younger men will now be thier main choice, and only those who want to settle will take an old guy. Glad I am not dating at 40. I figured if I am single by the time I am 40, I will be done with dating. Well best choice ever. Younger men are the real men out there, truth hurts guys, accept it. Unless you got money then it is a whole different picture.

Women are in the driver's seat now, call the shots and have the power.

Secondly, I am talking about Canada, the country I live in. Regardless of whether or not a website is internationally or not, for every nation it has users in, it must abide to that country's Freedom of Privacy rules & regs.

I'm not sure where you are from, but the Government of Canada is currently taking Facebook to court for negligence on this exact same topic.

However, do you REALLY want to build a relationship with someone who has never experienced life? Do you not understand that it is the hard times in our lives that make us strong!

But those with ``drama'' are those who do not learn from their experiences.

I totally get where you are coming from. I think it's generational. I find men my age and older are sexist and patronizing, almost always have ridiculous double standards that grate on the nerves and regardless of being married or not they still want to jump my bones and are crudely open about it. However, the younger guys have way more respect for themselves and women in general. I'm generalising of course but I still think it's basically true that there is a huge change in attitudes between those born in the 60's and those born in the 70's. They are not controlling and domineering and don't act all superior all the time. They are also a delight to work with. None of the stupid power games the older guys insist on playing.

In one of her other replys for another topic states the incredible amount of mail she is receiving from younger guys thinking shes desperate for sex just because shes an older woman. It sounds like it does not make younger guys as nice as she states in this topic.

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LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL hahahahahahahahahahaha.......reading that post only goes to show who are the ones that are bitter.....and if men only go with women for what they can offer, shouldnt we as women being be doing the same and YES WE FINALLY ARE and its not for the money hahahahahahahaha.....

Don't worry, it's a choice for anyone to put a filter on thier profile. Just like "Must not have messaged users looking for intimate encounters or sex."