As far as Presa-Canarios go, part of the breed is Bullmastiff. I owned a bullmastiff, 125lbs who was socialized and trained from day 1 and the worse she'd do is drool over you. My Sister bred them and would refuse to sell to anyone she thought was getting one as an "ego booster" (and would therefore train it to be aggressive).

Personally, I figure that dogs over, say 10-15 pounds should not be allowed in the cities at all, unless they are being leased (YES rented!) from a certified guard dog company. It would stop a lot of attacks, YET would allow ppl to have a guard dog if they chose to that the public could be assured has been properly trained and is being cared for properly.

Wull... what the HECK do I need to know about the breed if they kill people and can't be controlled by their owners?

Do housecats do this? (no)
Do little white rats do this? (I don't think so)
Do Keeshunds do this? (certainly not)
Do goldfish do this? (Uh uh)

What part don't you understand about the point I'm making?

They should not be kept in a family setting .Think that they are used by security companies or security forces which is the best situation for them.The German shepherd is a good dog,and entirely different altho he needs watching bcuz of his size..We had one.Very mild and loyal to the family.Protective guard dog too.

Why do we have a problem outlawing this breed in populated areas when it's an obvious danger to human life?

people should know that a large, american red-nosed pitbull can pull close to 4 tonnes for 60 yards

try holding that back on a leash. That's why I am always alert when I see a skinny little girly girl with a big bruiser pit: it's nuts!

Actually christianity and buddhism are very similiar.

Eddie Eddie....don't get so wound up, it's only a discussion. No I don't presently know any sikhs, but I did know a couple in the past...they were actually very nice people. I'm just going by what I have read on the religion, it really doesn't matter to me if they are related to hindu, muslim, or pagan for that matter. Since you have a background in Sikhism I trust you know what you're talking about and agree...Sikh has nothing to do with muslim. I'll take your explanation that info states islam is part of thier religion because of the belief in one God, that is fine and I have no problem admitting my error. I'm sorry, you're right, I'm wrong, A sikh is not a muslim.....

13rthportal - why do you continue to argue points that I have already proven outtright wrong.

Umm...because you haven't proven my point wrong. This is the definition of Sikhism;

"follower of sikhism, an indigenous montheistic religion of India which combines elements of Hinduism and Islam; it was founded in the 16th century by the guru Nanak.
www.northern.edu/hastingw/indiaglos.html"


That would be outright insulting to the many sikhs whom I personally know.


And why would that be? I wouldn't be offended if someone called me christian, or catholic...and my beliefs are more new age.
As I've posted above, the definition I read on many sites of Sihk is both aspects of hindu & islam...but if you say its not, then whatever...that's the way I understand it, so we have a difference of opinion.

it did have a secular government----so did many communist countries, dictatorships, plutocracies, democracies, and more...........the fact that they were secular in no way made them republics. look up republic, and you'll see quite clearly that iraq was no republic.

Yes I do. I know sikhs are not muslims; they do however both follow ISLAM or parts of Islam.

How 'bout the fact that our lands are being torn down and housing / mosques being built like wildfire for the influx of immigrants? How bout the fact that as soon as they come here they sponge off the governement and get handed everything?

How 'bout the fact that these people wont even stand up for the national anthem, have had our lords prayer taken out of schools.....the list goes on and on.

Eastern cultures ARE taking over. I don't know how much time you've spent in Toronto Ontario, but we are over-run with punjabi, sihks, iranians, and other eastern country peoples, which I refer to as muslims, since almost all of them practice some form of that religion. I was on the ttc (our transit system) the other day, and I was the only white person on every bus I took. 20 years ago this was definately not so, so I know for a fact just by walking up the streets of toronto that muslims are breeding fast in our city. You dont even need to see statistics to see it with your own eyes.

You are right that it takes more courage not to hate, but it's damn hard when your own "kind" is being pushed out of your own country, and now we have to worry about constant terrorist threats.

If we continue to let it happen, we will one day be a middle eastern dominated country.

I don't know about the situation in Canada, but the oldest human fossils in the USA are caucasians.

Eddie1979, if you attack everyone, no one is going to take you seriously. Why don't you try posting your opinions with logic instead of contempt please?

like Eddie1979 (who, BTW it should be noted made no attempt whatsoever to refute the things I said about Islam. He can't, because they are all true) who are so wrapped up in politically correct self-righteousness that they deny the reality of what Islam is, just as millions deluded themselves about the reality of National Socialism and Hitler's goals in the 30's.

Islam has ALWAYS been a religion that expanded by means of the sword. It is a religion that has ALWAYS been intolerent of "infidels". In the 10th Century Islam swept through North Africa, a peaceful and prosperous Christian region for hundreds of years, with fire and sword. Chrisitians who made the pilgrimage to the Holy Land in the centuries following were abused, robbed, and gnerally treated with scorn and contempt. Finally under Charles the Hammer in Spain and later at the summons of Pope Urban Christendom fought back, and the Moslem tide that threatened to swamp all of Europe was stemmed.

Why should young moslems, in particular, enlist? Maybe, just maybe, if their faith is so important to them, and they feel it it being perverted by the terrorists, young moslem men might feel a greater moral imperative to take action and join the military than others. It hasn't happened because their allegiance to their moslem "brothers" is greater than the allegiance they have to their fellow citizens. On top of that, it seems to me that they don't because they agree with the the goals of the terrorists.

That's why we'd be better off if they would all decide to go back to their countries of origin (and don't be disingenuous--you're aware, I'm sure, that for the vast majority, their countries of origin are in the Middle East.)

Google it.

For starters they could speak up.

They don't have a problems speaking up about schools not serving Halal food prompting thousands of parents to demand cafeteria food match the needs of the local Muslim community.

Or students on numerous campuses demanding a place to pray.

Or why aren't they filling the streets up in protests burning something or carrying an oversized picture of someone and yelling whatever it is they yell?

Which reminds me the Middle East is the only place I have ever seen protesters carrying these large framed pictures.

Is there a better solution than the melting pot?; other than ,MUCH lower immigration into other countries?

(I trust that you will wait untl someone who is a thinker provides the answer for you here then aptly back them on their word, but hey, the question is posed to you anyways)

They probably comprise about 2% of our population, and are also made up of people who believe in equal rights for animals, atheists, and other deviants.

So I won't be a hypocrite--I wish it was true. I'd love to see Moslems in the U.S. pull up stakes and move back to whatever country their forebears came from. Then they could concentrate on hating and killing each other and leave us alone.

Like I said above, I'm still waiting for the legions of young American moslems to join our armed forces to take back their "religion of peace and tolerance" from the terrorists.

If there's been a rush of moslems to the recruiiting stations, it's escaped my notice...

Until there is, as used to be said in the 60's, "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem". Moslems who wring their hands but take no action are giving the heretics in their midst tacit support.

Ahhh...so again it boils down to the Bush haters...well I tell ya, if it was our country that was bombed by these islamic aholes, I would want some freakin revenge too.

Its also a reflection of neurosis and denial.

If there are so many Muslims, why is there not more of an outcry from the Muslim world of a billion or so, regarding these attacks? A billion? That's a lot of Muslims. The silence is deafening.

I remember back when I was a kid and we got new carpet, shag carpet (hey, it was the '70's), in our living room. My mother would rake it with the carpet rake till it looked perfect. Oh how we would marvel at the precision of her work, but moments later we would sulk, because we were no longer allowed to walk on the carpet. She's an odd bird, that mother of mine.

It was very interesting how quickly people came to the wrong conclusions and how many people blindly believed that this was a richeous shooting,...

Very few people asked what's the evidence,...

Where!?? Show me any example of this "western colonial oppression and exploitation" and I will show you that it was MUSLIMS who were the ones implimenting it, setting it up, scheming, conniving, etc.

Scaredy cats.

Frankly I don't think it even matters if he's dead or alive. WWlll has started...one by one the terrorists are hitting the countries on Osama's origonal hit list, and we, Canada, are next.

We're also born in the nakedness in which we are all equal to the animal kingdom Count, we communicate with emotion and need rather than words, children are also are more sensitive to the energies of the otherworld. I dont belive "New life" should be for any religion to claim. That is sacred ground and not for us to claim domain over...

I'm part pakistani, so I can say "Paki" all I want. Paki, paki, paki. I'm also African, too, Irish(not British)Mary was right, so I am pretty much free to use any epithet I want. Cracker....

Btw, I mean the Indians from India, not the ones who shoot arrows and wear feathers.

I dunno, there's a LOT of Indians and Pakis in the UK, I'd be real surprised if they were innocent. I know you think they're "British" too, but you don't seem to know what that means, so we'll have to agree to disagree, I guess.

We don't live in fear down here in the states, we don't wait for people to **** with us, we **** with them first. People who are cowards always run away, like the draft dodgers who fled to Canada. Or muslims who flee to other countries instead of fixing things in their homeland, it's always easier to run...

Iraq had been ignoring sanctions for how many years? Yeah, I would say that would be enough time for weapons of mass destruction to disappear. And, the end is nowhere in sight, this will go on right through the next presidents term(s), and possibly longer.

Hell, if i were a 14 yr old kid, with a teacher like that, I probably would have never told anyone.

But if it were my son, I'd want the judge to throw the book at her.