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pappy009

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This is how I lost my job folks, what do you think? Posted: 9/20/2009 9:59:54 AM
With my parents, and someone told me to do some push ups...I would do twice as much as what the instructor told me...my mommy and daddy would insist. People baby there kids way to much to day....way to much!!!

pappy009

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9-11 National Service day? WTF? Posted: 8/26/2009 5:16:50 PM
What does it mean..."Corporation" And do you really have to make a law like this...like its the new PA...you need a law to be a patriot...

pappy009

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The New Meth Posted: 8/26/2009 5:03:54 PM
Earthpuppy, your story sounds like so many I have heard over the yrs....back in the early 70s I use to hang with about say 20 guys all the time...we were a good crew, no violence or conflict just good time..yea we did some weed, acid, the whole agenda...then Meth it the streets in large quantity. The Bikers brought it in...and trust me they have no conscience of who they destroy. Out of those 20 I would say 5 OD and died as time went on, I got robbed at least 3 different times..and I mean it was all gone. Another fellow Rudy...hung himself in a church...one more drove a car off the cliff...the rest eventually Grew UP. I myself never touched the stuff, after seeing what happened to them...very sad good guys, good people. Gone. One time one of my best friend did a hit, in a hypo, and the mixture was like suryp...way to much...well he bleed from his nose and ears and his eyes were starting to bleed out of the corners...the people in the room ran away, I think I was the only one there straight, me and another fellow. Then buddy hit the floor and flip and flopped like a fish out of water than...totally still...no movement...the blood stopped flowing out of his nose...I knew right there an then he was dead...the heart stopped...so instantly...without thinking...I bent over and slapped his face as hard as I can...you know when a situation is that intense you tend not to think about what to do, you do it..he was a heavy guy but I picked him up over my shoulders and actually ran up the stairs and thru him in the shower, and started with the cold water...I then slapped him again as hard as I could across his face...hes started to come too. He started to twitch..then breath...I then took a real depth breath because thru all of this I think I forgot to breathe. Yrs later I asked him about that, he told me he died, and was in a darkness, and he heard a voice and it he said that "Its not your Time"...he didn't feel me slapping him, well I guess not. But what a time. Well as time went on he met a real wonderful lady, they married and had two great kids and is now retired form work...we were golfing and started to talk about that day...I ask him why do you think you got involved way to deep in Meth...he simply said, when you feel the rush, and its golden feelings, that you will tend to always desire to feel that rush again and again and again...its to the point that its all you live for. No conscience on what you do, just get that rush, no friends anymore just the buzz. Some of the guys use to do I think they call it speed balls or something like that half heroin and half speed...those guys you stayed away from, they'd steal you eye teeth if they could...a real shame...at least 7 of them died young...we weren't rich kids...we were poor...and dealing dope was there only way to keep going on the stuff...one guy who hung himself..Rudy..was in trouble with the bikers...I feel they hung him...because before he died..he went to rehab and got clean and moved home to his parents house...he owed a ton of money...Meth is a oneway street...a death sentence. Its because of these experiences that I told my son about it all, what I did in those days and what was really going on..the drugs are no good for you, weed is harmless, acid, you can only do that so many time...but Coke, speed, smack, and of course Booze are the bloody worst things you can get into...its not joke...and no fun times.

pappy009

Joined: 2/3/2008

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Why are Americans so Anti Socialist? Posted: 8/26/2009 3:59:26 PM
UHC is one thing...what bothers me the most about socialism is welfare...you know where the masses dole out money to the welfare bums..you know who..the corporate welfare bums...the Banks..Auto Industry...insurance industry...the White Collar Welfare Bums. And they took Trillions...now thats true capitalism. And they been doing it for yrs. And these guys are very R.i.c.h...they blackmail the government or threaten to lay people off... I think its got to the point that people don't even know what it means to be in a true Capitalistic society anymore...and the reason is that...the Rick pricks are robbing us blind. Where is the competition anymore...oil companies vary between 1/10 of a cent on a gallon of gas...is that competition...its despotism..how about Pharmacudical Drugs...the Flu shot...the swine flu is a con job world wide. I can't believe American news anymore...the Left hates the Right...the Right hates the Left...and the media stirs it up...to the right they think a person who is left wing is a commie and the left see people on the right as Nazis....and the media once again stirs the pot of shit...when you do that...it smells worst than before. You guys have been pissing on the Canadian health system and don't even know what your talking about...so I am going to talk about the issues of Left and Right in the states...why the hell are you people seperating yourselves to this degree...we got left and Right and Socalist in Canada...3 parties...so if your pissed at one...there gone...but there is that little party..the NDP that seem to tell the truth all the time...you ain't got something like that. By the way...I'm a Libertarian...we got them in Canada too...its called the Canadian Action Party and its gaining momentum. the Green Party...there a joke...there only issue is the enviroment...thats easily used by the corporation..you know the Carbon Tax...tax the air you breathe..what else can they tax..taxation...upon taxation and the left does it and so does the right...only the Right give the rich a break and piss on the middle class...the trickle down effect is not capitalism..thats what the royality did in the past...so your economy is not based on Capitalism at all...but Totalitarian Capitalism controled by the royalty of the US. Capitalism is from the ground up not the top down...thats the Piss on you Economy. When the people of any country...owns the resources of that country...which you do...how can you have..Privatization...thats not capitalism...thats greed...why not just give them your children too. The people who wrote the US constitution...to the British at the time were Renegades.... America is already socialistic and have socalism in the books...there called Statue Acts enforced As Law...there not law...there acts and acts need consent. There are no freedoms under Admiarlty Law which you live by...your courts are British Commerce Courts because you borrow your money from the Monarchy of England, the Bank of England and the Vatican...the IMF the only bank in the world...no different that any of the western nations...they tried to take your guns off of you during the Clinton Yrs...there scared of Americans...I don't care who they are but if any country ever tried to invade the US...even China...they would be outgunned 3-1...I respect that. As a Libertarian your constitution and My constitution is the ****ing law..end of story...our governments are corporation responsible to the Central Banking system....they have been sinking us into a false socialistic egnima...but in the end its all about slavery of the masses. One of the basic concepts of the Communist Manifesto is a Central Banking System...the Federal Reserve and little do many know that Canada is in the 13th district of the US Federal Reserve...that the Corporation of Canada and the Corporation of the US are legal corporations under the US Treasury...I thought at one time we were countries...so ladies and gentlemen it matters not were your from or what country you live in...they are taking your soverign rights away...and RIGHTS ARE UNDESPUTED. We've had socialism for yrs...its called charity. But for some reason the Star Chamber doesn't want you to truly understand that we are the power. There is one way to beat it...Resign from the Corporations of Canada and the US...give up your SS OR SIN number, your not a Roman Citizen, your a soverign born Freeman on the Land....your not an agent of the corporation. Being a Citizen is a misconception, it only means that your part of there club. Your a soverign born freewill Man/Woman created by G-d, as it states in Section 1 of the Canadian Constitution...that means you answer only to G-d...even the athiest...its not about religion is represents that no one has authority over you...not even your Representative Governments. Thats what real freedom is...CommonLaw...the Do Unto others. In the US a Republic means that you are Self Governing..and no one has authority over you...we just use different words but its all Common Law. ThinkFree.ca DetaxCanada.ca So lets not waste our time about socialism...its normal for people to be there brothers keeper...we have been doing it since the beginning of time...Socalism is a word to scare you. Socalism is not Communism...Communism is Communaliztion, with a central banking system...socialism is something like We the People, For the People, By the People...Society of the People. Socalism is a word that is so sickly played out to condition you to accept the dictates of those in the Star Chamber above the law. Think Free...Be Free...

pappy009

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The New Meth Posted: 8/26/2009 2:48:56 PM
Just curious here...how many of you actually know people who have or do Meth...either today or in the past. and what is it that you think that makes them want to get high on Meth...besides the rush.

pappy009

Joined: 2/3/2008

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Why are Americans so Anti Socialist? Posted: 8/26/2009 2:26:28 PM
milesformKansas...you don't know what your talking about. ---Allow me to enlighten you, my darling product of a leftist educational experiment.--- That is one dumb statement. ---the downside of which is that you wouldn't have a competent health care system just to the south to flee to when you really needed to treat that tumor.--- My ex just got diagnosed with Cancer...within a wk she was getting Radiation treatments..maybe thats why so many Americans try to get into Canada because they CAN'T GET TREATMENT...you watch too much TV. ---Being a Commonwealth territory, Canada jumped on the bandwagon shortly thereafter.--- ---The Canadian and continental experiment with socialized medicine arose immediately after WWII, when European national economies were shattered by war and debt.--- Not so Milesformnowhere...it was introduced in Saskatchewan first...when the nation saw that it worked it became national...Europe had nothing to do with it....poverty did. The dirty 30s happened here also. Tommy Douglas under a the CCF created the health care act....there has never been a Socialistic Government established thru elections on the Federal level...there have been ones on Provincial levels...and when the Povincial CCF or NDP governments were in place...the feds seen what benefits they created and established them on a national level. And of course took the credit. --As promulgated by the Labor/Socialists in power, only centralized planning could rebuild the health care systems of Britain and France.-- Not so...they realized that they could create more economy by supporting a national health care system...why spend money on killing people when they could spend money on saving lives...they just ended a major war and millions of civilians were in need of care...after all the USA Britian and Canada bombed there industry, they had nothing to start over with...USA and Canada benefited by retooling Europe and Japan, thats where most of the wealth of the US and Canada came after the war. Now they are taking over economically. What did you say. Labour Socialist powers...sounds like capitalism to me. ---As a current Tory MP pointed out recently, the third largest employer in the world is the British National Health Service, with about 1.4 million employees.--- Do they have jobs...are they paying taxes...are they not supporting the system...same with garbage men. ---I believe that competition for my business, whether it be for pharmaceuticals, physicians or physical therapy, maintains the highest standards of medical care in the world, and, despite the absurd malpractice jury awards, is also the most cost-effective.--- Is that why the US government bans Canadian Pharmacudicals..because there expensive. and as far as the highest standard of medical care...I don't think so...in capitalism the less you stay in the hospital...the less it cost your insurance companies...you know...capitalism. Cost effective you say...I don't think so. American health care ranks well below and I mean below UHC countries. Do a little research on the WHO and get the gyst. You watch to much TV. --I hope you will pause to consider this, my love.(What an arrogant ass) You have been inculcated by your teachers and peers to believe that what you have is the best that can be had, given the circumstances.(Are you talking to me or yourself) Your health care system is a relic from the past. (Yea we still bleed people to cure them..do you actually know what your talking about) It is inefficient and ineffective, compared to the U.S. model, which is based on that nasty word 'capitalism'. After all, how many Americans go to Canada for that surgery or treatment, compared to the other way around?-- Is that why Regan went to Germany to cure his prostrate Cancer...European medicine leaves American medicine well behind...way back.. Before we put our pictures on our health card, you could purchase a Canadian health card on the black market in the states for a few grand...this had to be done because the Capitalist in the states couldn't afford there health care system at all, so thousands and thousands of Americans crossed the border to get free health care...this drained our system...no different than the Mexicans are doing to you people...to solve this drain on the economy..we simply printed our pretty little pictures on the cards...unfortunately those Americans who needed health care can no longer blackmarket the cards...they got a special stripe on the back...you know...I lived on a border town...and for yrs we would sell our health cards to the highest bidder from the US...thats a fact...all I had to do was get a new card...it was quite a profit stimulator...I once bought a car with the money on one card..buddy you got no clue what your talking about...I needed a car the guy needed an operation. Simple as that. --A government - the US federal government - cannot be a competitor to private enterprise, when it alone as the ability to regulate (and effectively destroy) that private enterprise, when "competition" is unfavorable to its goals.-- The government...is the people...it says that on your constitution..you know...We the People...when competition becomes a monopoly or to a point of despotism where few control the reins...weres the competitions...who is the government suppose to look after..the CEOs. For some reason...your reasoning represents that the Government is some sort of seperate entity from the people who vote those boneheads in...unfortunately...there rich with lots of dough invested in the Pharmacudical trade, Military trade, energy trade etc etc etc...thats the problem. That in itself is the true debate...privitazed health care could be a great thing...but insurance companies are not in business to put money out...they want profit for the investors and the people who run the organizations...same with car insurance..you never get what you pay for...never. milefromkansas..you don't know nothing about the Canadian health care system...nothing..except what YOU have been told..from who I do not know...Canadian research is second to none...and thats in the world...we may be tied...but we are not lagging behind no one...we have some of the most modern hospitals and staff...compared to anywere...Sick Childrens hospital is world renown..and in Toronto, the Jarvnik Cancer Clinc part of MacMaster University in Hamilton Ont world renoun, University of Calgary medical science labs are world renoun...right now there is a group of Physicist, permanent gathering in the University of Guelph Ont. with the worlds leading Psyshicist trying to crack the code of the one theory that binds all science..world renoun. Montreal, Vancouver etc etc etc...top of the field in organ transplants...there is so much good news in our health care system that UHC created....without.....PROFIT....but for the sake of humanity. You based your opinion on the doctors who left Canada for the Big Bucks in the US...that doesn't mean you get good health care...that means you pay more.

pappy009

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Why are Americans so Anti Socialist? Posted: 8/26/2009 12:48:49 PM
Nicely said Dino...in fact a SSN or SIN are Employment Identification Numbers..for taxation and such as you stated..but you missed one thing..its based on Admiralty Law the law of the sea, the US, Britian, Canada, Australia, N. Zeland and most of the British commonwealth.. along with other Anglo-Saxon countries actually are legally based on Common Law the law of the land. The Bill of Rights and in Canada the Charter of Rights are based on Anglo Saxon Commonlaw...freedoms are undesputed...once you sign up for a SSN or SIN you become a working agent for the Government thus a pension and all the perks that go with it...including Income taxes...In 1895 the Supreme Court of the US stated that Income taxes are illegal because there is no profit in wages...its a fair exchange. Thus no Commerce is done. But once you sign up for the SS or SIN you become an working agent for the government. Therefore your rights turn into benefit Previldges and are desputable. Rights are Undesputed...One think tho...in Canada we have the right, under our constitution to create a "Claim of Rights and Intent"...and what that means is that the Soverign born Freewill Man/Woman can use there SIN as an agent for commerce...therefore paying the agent a sum of $3,500 a yr for the service...that means no income taxes seeing that there is no commerce...and not subject to Statue laws or Acts....the freewill Adult Man/woman then has the right to keep there money...and 30,000 Canadians are doing this at this time....In the US you have the right to create a UCC-1 document that allows you the soverign to maintain all your property, even under bankruptcy...you see the Fiction or Strawman...the capitalized name is a Corporate Identity or a Fiction not a human being. Its a name game... DetaxCanada.com....give it a read...good info for Americans there too...after all your Law is CommonLaw also.

pappy009

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Why are Americans so Anti Socialist? Posted: 8/25/2009 3:34:29 PM
....JWG86....My desire to avoid socialism is because I am a constitutional moderate. I do not want my freedoms disturbed, and I do not wish to impose my will on others, yet socialism would impose their will on me.... Seriously...well heres what you do if you don't like socialism...you resign your SSN..you can do that its legal...when that is done you are not obligated to pay Income taxes...and you will never be able to recieve Welfare...or social health care such as what your governments got now..you will not be able to work legally in your country but you can work Lawfully...there is a difference...you simply sign a contract with the employer...you can never be drafted, and you are not obligated to Statue Laws...you will not need a license to drive a car...and you do not need a license to open up any business you wish to open.....my friend your already a socialist. These are all facts...research them and see.

pappy009

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Why are Americans so Anti Socialist? Posted: 8/24/2009 3:14:29 PM
--Love when Canadians refer to America as uncivilized.--- No one saying your uncivilized...he only gave a generalization. But what in fact happens is that a tremedous amount of the cost of your education can be deminished because of UHC.The Fact that Universities and Colleges know how much money you can make in a privitized health care system allows them to substantually raise the tuition. Tutition for doctors in other UHC countries is quite a bit lower. A reason why so many Americans go to universities abroad for a degree...in medicine. By the way, no one pays 50 to 60 percent in taxes, even on the loan. And nurses up here make in equality the same wage...I know nurses that lived both sides of the border and they came back because they didn't want to pay the Health Insurance scam. You people in the states get a lot of missinformation, its not much different here than there...your taxation is exactly the same...yet we get UHC,hidden tax included 49% same as you. And that includes property taxes and state taxes etc....That includes all license fees and so on...the same. You just pay less for gas...you got more people and we got a bigger country...its that simple to understand...got nothing to do with health care...as a matter of fact...its paid for by the lotteries and casinos...plus an minor tax to employers...thats it...nothing more...a good system...don't cost me nothing...we run the casinos and lotteries..for that reason. Democracy in action.

pappy009

Joined: 2/3/2008

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The New Meth Posted: 8/24/2009 2:46:50 PM
Nothing new about Meth...been around a long time and in many forms.

pappy009

Joined: 2/3/2008

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Afghanistan War Posted: 8/24/2009 2:40:38 PM
Must be Afganistan is now on the evening news more...the US has something like 35k troups in Afganistan or maybe 50K to win that war...you got more cops in NY city than soldiers on the ground in a country. What is the Iraqi war boring now. Wasn't this the original war..the reason why we went. Bin Laden...whos dead. What now, what do we do, tell the masses. I am pissed off at this war...really pissed off. We send our troups there to free them, to offer them the reality of being yourself, individual...and what does the elected offical say to get voted in...that you can abuse your woman, beat her, that the man is superior. And only a fraction of the girls are able to go to school not because they won't because they still can't. There religious idealism prevails...what a waste of life and time. The military made pacts and treaties with the tribesmen in the north and Heroin is back on the streets in full fashion. The taliban is in part Pakistanis dedicated to allah and theres 70 million of them. You got 50k, hell Canadas got 1k a canoe and a cesna. And these guys are giving it there all...at a high cost. I don't see Afganistan or Iraq as important...its not my business after hearing that guy and his politics over there...Its not just that there women are whipping post, but anything other than what they understand will not be tolerated, state wise anyways. I think we should just leave and let them live the way they want...don't interfer anymore...just go..it isn't worth it. Just look at the orders there giving our men and women over there...put a target on your back.

pappy009

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Why are Americans so Anti Socialist? Posted: 8/24/2009 2:18:34 PM
Hawaiianluau..the whole world is capitalism...all of it...always has been. No one is going to fuk your country up more than those that live in that country...as all countries seem to have. You have priority of fuking your country up..no one else is going to do it for you. Don't worry about it, your country is going to be hear long after your gone. Then someone new will fuk it up. Thats the way its always been.

pappy009

Joined: 2/3/2008

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Why are Americans so Anti Socialist? Posted: 8/24/2009 12:37:28 PM
The Health care system in Canada is not paid for by our taxes....this is what you got to understand...its paid for by the Lottery Corporations...the Casinos and of course the lotteries....the only thing I see wrong with the US system are the Insurance companies that do not live up to there "OBLIGATIONS" after you paid your premiums. The other thing that tends to bother me is the price of the bloody doctor...there not Gods...there no different than a mechanic..you get a good one..your ok...you get a bad one...you die. Thats a fact....just check out how many accidental deaths in Hospitals not only in the US but Canada and world wide...they make lots of mistakes. All the time...there not Gods. Even in the US you have socialistic programs...you need them...its for all the people who are getting screwed by big business interest..its seems you like to subsidize the Oil companies, the farmers, industry and so on...bark at Canada for doing the same...but lean on the Idea that we are Socalistic...not true...Canadians are Conservatives...bottomline...we so bloody conservative that our idiot leaders (I am sure most Americans agree with that statement about there own leaders) seem to be somewhat concerned about getting Re-Elected...so they kiss up once in a while...politically US and Canada are at different ends where it comes to politicians...in Canada we do not wave flags...we hold these chumps on contempt...as soon as they are elected...in the States its quite different...you place more hope on the elected fools...and they all are on both sides of the border...they have there secret agendas and don't kid yourself about that. As far as a republic and democracy is concerned they are two different events...a republic is where people are self governing as was the case in the US before the dirty thirties and the SSN is concerned same in Canada but a democracy is where people either in a republic or Federation or Commonwealth attempt to create a governing body which is a democracy...even in Communism its a form of democracy...extremely limited to state control...while in the free system...unlimited by state control...thats why the Good Ole USA landed on the moon first...it was more of a priority. As far as Universal health care is concerned...I feel its vitale to the health of the nations people...first of all get rid of Monsanto and the bovine growth harmone...kills the cattle and poisions the milk...that makes people sick. Fact...Europe and Canada banded it because of the problems...corporate interest seems to control your political thinking...by the way Monsanto calls a Cow...a MILK PRODUCTION UNIT...so that makes you MILK PRODUCTION UNIT CONSUMMER...lol...oh yes...something we should be all concerned with GMO foods...ever consider that the reason we have super bugs like TB now a days is because of the GMO foods which have been altered and create blockers in the genes to resist viruses in VEGATABLES AND LIVESTOCK...those blockers are now in your blood. What are they doing there. I think Universal health care should be aimed at proper food and proper agriculture also...we care more about what goes in the gas tank than in your mouth. I think this problem with health care is just to big for most of us to really understand...for me it should not be just about paying the doctor...it should also be about proper nutrition and preventative medicine....I read that some researchers felt that Vitamins are toxic...you cannot live without vitamins and minerals and your food supply is lacking in both because of hybrid seeds and GMO plus processing of the food....process sugar is a chemical and poison not a food...fact....raise the taxes on sugar and let it pay for the health care...after all most of the people who are really cronic tend to eat a lot of sugar...like Diabetis. I think that if we expand the idea of proper health care into proper maintenance of your body thru education...and not pharmacudical education that the doctores get...but proper preventative care...most illnesses are caused by lack of proper nutrition... Eg: Vitamin D has been proven in test after test to reduce Cancer...especially in Breast Cancer and Prostrate Cancers...lung cancers and other types of cancers....vitamin D is created by the Sun...but we are using more and more sun blockers to protect us from the sun because it creates Cancer...doesn't that sound like an Oxymoron to you. Whats the truth on that...even the doctors say that we should be using sun screen....where did they get there information...they don't do the research, the pharmacudical companies do and they control the Media with advertizing. Like I said...Health care is bigger than just going to the hospital. Heres a few Links if you like to check out what I said. If your interested, this is the type of Health care we all should be looking at. http://www.oiloforegano.com/StudyonOreganoOil.html Oil of Rosemary http://www.oreganocures.com/articles61.html Some testimonials of people using Oil of Oregano http://www.wildoiloforegano.com/index.php?page=testimonials http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D The exact long-term safe dose of vitamin D is not known. In 1997 the U.S. Dietary Reference Intake Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) of vitamin D for children and adults was set at 50 micrograms/day (2,000 IU), but this is viewed as outdated and overly restrictive. A 2007 risk assessment suggested that 250 micrograms/day (10,000 IU) in healthy adults should be adopted as the tolerable upper limit.[38] In adults, sustained intake of 2500 micrograms/day (100,000 IU) can produce toxicity within a few months.[2] http://www.cancer.ca/canada-wide/prevention/use%20sunsense/vitamin%20d.aspx?sc_lang=en http://www.vitamindsociety.org/ http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/article672998.ece Videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PYsXQ16Ztg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsbCP42BDtw&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foc9gil8OLM&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhV-2IhsQns&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7lGBT3oMiw&feature=related Vitamin D is the most important supplement you can get....it kills cancer that with Oil of Oregano and Vitamin C...Vitamin B 17 is also a cancer killer...niacin.... http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/398.html http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/69.html

pappy009

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Tamil Protesters To Paralyze Toronto Traffic Posted: 5/18/2009 4:16:37 PM
DantesInferno...absoutly right. Protest is freedom in action. I to do not agree with there tactics but I feel we have missed something here. The protest is not just about losing a war, but about the genocide that follows. These people have family still over there and what our Governments should be doing is ensuring that there would be no genocide of the Tamils. This is like one tribe fighting another and Rowanda is a fine example of that. And it took Canadian Peace Keepers to sort it out. Unfortunately as always we tend to intervene late. If you have noticed that Canada is a country that is well respected world wide for our nonpartisan approach to a problem...it is well known that middle eastern states insisted that Canadian representatives were on the negotiation teams...thats is a fact that is little known. The reason is that Canadians believe that we can live the life we choose and with that be the people we want to be. These people do not disrespect Canada they know we got something to offer. We should insist that the refugees of the Tamil people are taken care of. Children do not start wars. --you can bet your azz that if a group of caucasians tried to erect a roadblock to protest something ( like the GST ?) they'd be arrested & hauled off before the media could even have a good photo op.-- When white people mass you got 500k people at an anti war demonstration on the white house lawn. Are we that young that we forget the demonstrations of the 60s and 70s to end a useless war. Its happened and in this time and economy your going to see it happen again. Soon!!! ----^^^^^This goes along with the other premise that only white people can commit crimes of hate.--- A good observation because it can be used by non whites. But the reality is that white people are comfortable. Which means don't mess with us. We are a majority. And we can moblize faster than any other race. Were like squirrels we hoard for the winter. Don't take that away. Trust me, white people can moblize faster than any race on this planet and we have proven it. Thats why we seem to be more prejudiced. We act together better than most races. --Today I sent a letter to my municipal, provincial and federal elected representatives telling them that this type of protest has to stop now! If you want to have more of an impact then send your elected reps letters as well. What we say here should be sent to the various levels of government so they know exactly what we think and feel.--- I'm with Fred on this. Ever notice something. When the Americans vote in a president they almost worship the guy. When Canada votes in a Prime Minister we hold him in contempt. You better do what we want you to do or your gone. We tend to vote in the lesser evil better than the Americans. And with no slander to our friends south of the border but I think they should adapt this Ideaology. ---They are you and me. They are every man/woman with a conscience. They are hurting and they need to be heard. And Canada as a member of the United Nations needs to make our voices heard, needs to lobby hard and strong for UN intervention. Like Martin Luther King Jr said "an injustice against one man is an injustice against all men". --- Father3 put it plain and simple. Kennedy did the same. We share this planet. Human rights must supercede any other form of authority. Its the way we should all be. Now that the Americans are in the war in Afganistan Canadian military is now concerned with restructuring there country. Law and the rule of law must be the priority. Canada is now involved with the intricate ideals of a society. Law and order must prevail. Why was this now given to us. Because we have not interest in there country as far as commerce is concerned on a national level. We are not in it for the money. Were in it because we are Canadians. And a man and woman have the right to there freedoms. And they are undesputed. --I have bigger issues-- What paying the hydro bill. Funny thing about terrorism. A people come and take your land away. Your families cannot fight this invader. It could be economics and commerce or military. But it seems your a terrorist because as the last straw you walk out into a market place and blow yourself to pieces. They do this because there is no other way. Something is tragic. Would you do this. Are you that comfortable. Look at Gaza a prison camp of more than a million people and that is exactly what it is. A Prison camp. In this country people have a voice if they wish to use it. Do we know this to be true in Sri Lanka. I doubt it. Thats what we should learn. If the people have a voice.... You got one. I read it on here. And on here it means nothing. In Government it means everything or you vote the****out. A demonstration is the fact that some people have become desperate. I am sure that every one of those protesters would want there family in this country. And Why. http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/ That web site has the Universal declaration of Human Rights under the UN. Read it. Trust me. It only works if we make it work. There are some things out of the UN that is good...not many...but this one is. Guess who wrote most of it...Elenore Roosevelt...quite the woman. I hope I spelled it right. But what I find funny is how come the world respected this American Woman to create such a document. You got to honor that woman. That ones for all the woman libers. Look at the world we live in. Its not about us intervening in Sri Lanka its about us acting on the world stage to ensure the innocents are not genocided out of existence. Thats what its about. The Tamils demonstrating will not stop the war. Its not our business and they know it. But we have a world society and with this a responsibility even as citizens in our own countries that we cannot condone the slaughter of innocent people. If the soldiers want to die thats there business. But as a human being I cannot stand buy to see innocent children killed. In Sri Lanka or Iraq. I do not support these actions. And if we all do not support these actions they will not exist. Thats on a world stage. You take the power away from them. Msg: 29.....so what do you think about the Partiot Act...do you need an Act to be a patriot. And as far as coruption is concerned just think about the Bush Administration. Even in a sophisticated society as the US there is a tremendous amount of corruption same in Canada and every where in the world. Msg: I am sure you do not watch certain religious channels on the tube. I am certain of that because of what you posted. America is fighting a religious war right now. A crusade. Again. This is about the unholy muslims and the Onward Christian soldier. Just watch some of those religious shows. And America is very religious. Bush went to war with Iraq because G-d told him to.....go figure. Article 1. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood. UN Human Rights....your a human aren't you.

pappy009

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Msg: 75 (view)

psychological explanation for atheism Posted: 1/2/2009 2:32:29 PM
Pyschology...in a religious site...so why are there so many Athiest on this site. Indeed its not for you, but you are here.....Why?...because you want everyone to believe as you do....to set the people free from oppression of there faith. Or the opposite....are you waiting for someone to simply say in one easy going sentence that there is a G-d and that sentence could change your life.....really why are you hear? I will say this...even thou you have your understanding............your looking for more.....lets use the big bang and science....Bang...it begins....I don't believe in the big Bang.......I believe in the big HUM....but we are small creatures in the universe and to us...its the bang effect....thats what science is...Mans Mind... A Medicine Man once stated to me that Science explains spirit....is there an arguement for that? How does he know and what does science know....Science only deals with what we can percieve or attempt to understand......Science has made some terrible mistakes! Science theory is based on assumptions of what little we know...so is science valid when trying to understand a creator....were still scratching the surface. Regardless of their differences, the new atheists share certain tenets, according to John Haught, a widely recognized scholar in the field of theology and science. First, they all claim there is no transcendent reality beyond the "natural" world; that is to say, there is no God, no immaterial soul and no "life" after death. Second, the natural universe is self-originating, not the creation of a divine being. Third, humans, like the universe itself, have no ultimate purpose or meaning beyond that which they create for themselves. Fourth, science does a better job of explaining nature, including human nature, than religion. Fifth -- and here's where the atheists apply their theories to politics and morality -- belief in God is the source of much of the world's violence and disorder, and mankind would be better off dispensing with religion. The Fitth reason is the most appropriate...its the last reasoning in this that supports the other 4. And I agree with them....even thou I am a spiritaul person. Not Religous. The problem is with this for me is that...religion has always been used against us. Name one war that was religious in concept and I wll show you that behind that war it was based on Power and money....Even the crusades...were fighting a crusade in Iraq and Afganistan at this moment....and it is not over religion....even thou many people in religion believe this. Its a resource war based on Oil....bottom line.... Profit!! Nothing more....religion was used against the believers and the Athiest see it that way too...and I agree with them. Sometimes its what you don't believe in... that is truth. We do not live in a perfect world because we are not perfect. And I think that this is what the Athiest miss....The reasoning is that... the spiritual people who religions are based on....realize this... such as Jesus, Bhudda, Krishna, Mohammad, Zoraster etc....none of these people created a religion...we did. And because we are not perfect, the understanding of these prophets is imperfect. How many of us have an Imagination....you may think all of us....I disagree. Very few of us have an active imagination. Because without this...how can one understand a scientific theology....how about string theory...trust me don't try to give some idea at a party..... You see various people acting out there lives based on what they have been taught in the Public Fool System.....and thats the end to there beginning. Money...property...power...authority...more power...more authority. Well others tend to add the plus element...art...and artist has the imagination to think out of the box....they create. There is no imagination that creates an extra 2% on to profit. What I am getting at is this...without that imagination how can we percieve anything other than what we are.....is evolution the imagination....does a dog or lion have an imagination....you may dream but is a dream imagination...because if they had one...they could build a car... My question to the Athiest is....How do you explain and out of body experience without death being involved.....Just because you never experienced it...does it make you an authority on it? Its not about Religion...its about self realization...and the connection of G-d the inner you and G-d the outer You...I used G-d in both these descriptions.....Like Yin and Yang...not the G-d that lives behind a cloud with a bubbled head or one floating on a cloud....but the G-d that is You...because no matter how you see it...its all about ..You...right!!... Life does not work without.. you...right!! Isn't that what Christ, Krishna, Bhudda, Mohammad and Zostrianos stated. Did they not give you the understanding that what they are talking about is you ...in the Here and Now....like the idea of Issness, Hereness and Nowness....as a concept that is actually happening. Are we to base our ideas or beliefs on a world that is not perfect because we have not treated like the perfect thing it is....with death. Do or would you want to live in this world forever....I don't think so...You want to live forever and this is the best you know....but what Spirituality means is this....this world is only part of it. No I don't agree with the article...my Dad was there...and Catholic....and hated it...the problem as I see it is that we expect to see a G-d...or prove that one exist....we exist and thats proof enough for me. To Exist! And if you think that lightning hit a puddle or we evolved out of some germs in a cave than I can't agree. Unless in that beginning...the cell...we would be there eventually....thats science....understanding what "will" evolve...

pappy009

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Msg: 64 (view)

Why is Heaven considered more desirable than Earth? Posted: 12/22/2008 10:37:17 AM
---Angels are for Heaven and humans are for earth ... just my opinion & belief. ---Some thing I always notice...an angel either comes form Heaven and is totally Good or from Hell and is Totally Bad.....but Humans can be both....Can a totally good Angel know what its like to be a totally bad angel......I Don't Think So IMHO...just a thought...but...If man can experience both these qualities than Man is Higher on the Scale than Angels....they can experience more. Angels are here for Mankind......could an Angel be a energy of thought in mind...remember the two angels on your shoulders..one good and one Bad...you decide.....right....so the Angels got a job to do....YOU....they are your servants...to guide you...so then...its You who are important, the soul not the body...it only last so long... Msg: 24 Awp Totally agree.......... --- Most people cant stand to sit in church for an hour---- Same old movie each wk..... ---Mortality is what people most fear.---- But the idea...according to Christ is that you should not fear death...so if Christ says that...then it must be a good thing to die....or are YOU dying...Well earths a pretty good place but its got death and thats what does not make it perfect....plus the animal savage temperment that some people have....and the selffish vanity..anger and so on...we know them all....so with that is death so bad.....oh yea the fear of Hell...well my previous statements kind of looks like a hell to me....so we come from a seed in the mother...that seed grows to the point that now it must disconnect from the mother in the holy place...no worries...the little seed pops out and experiences this...I would cry too...then hunger....more crying....then once done and grows a little the.....the little bugger wants to Laugh all the time....just came from spirit......we lose that...we move on into the supermarket mentality of life...your not that seed any more your a consumer.....you create a life.....you move on....millions of experiences....suddenly your faced with death......well if you did not live a properous life you might feel guilt that you didn't do what you wanted to...but even if you didn't...so what.....I think thats more of the delima...I think we should welcome death when it happens.....its a release...and I think thats what Christ was meaning...your here...don't worry about death....you can't live without dying....fear not...he rose from the dead but not in body but in his eternal body...the Illuminated Soul...and he showed only his diciples....were On a Ride....love Bill Hicks...and that is what this is.....A Ride..... the Lords prayer says Heaven on Earth....the Kabbala says...As Above So Below.....I would tend to believe that heaven is better because the vibrational rate of that type of existence over this one would do away with what we desire when we are here...I have always noticed that I must get use to my desires..its actually our desires that kill us...by the sword I guess...we create our own demise....and G-d is my soulmate...helping me thru this existence the best way that this igonrant mind of mine can comprehend....G-d does not judge....it would be a waste of G-ds energy....and hypocritcal because he told us not to judge.....and that is a quality of Unconditional Love....so I pick heaven to be a grand old place....a higher vibration....and that there are more heavens in us than what we can truly understand...manny mansions....were just on a Ride...

pappy009

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Have you ever been driven to your knees in prayer? Posted: 12/22/2008 9:49:36 AM
on my knees........only if I wanted something or was in pain or hurt inside....but when I pray now....I shout it from the mountain tops......of course when I am alone....I put my head up to wards the heavens and thank G-d every day for this existence....no need to be humble..joyful is the word...I pray when I am happy more than when I am saddened...for some strange Reason G-d wants me to be joyful....even in pain....pain is only tempoary now.....Joy is always there.....if you look for it.....

pappy009

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Msg: 73 (view)

Do you believe in an eternal soul? Posted: 12/22/2008 9:44:09 AM
When I was a kid....at night I use to fly out of my body at will....when your a kid there are no mental blocks to interfer with your imagination or your will.....I use to tell my friends and parents and they would say that I was dreaming or imagining what was happening...so I thought them right....I started to be concerned about reality...what a waste of time...yrs of it.... From this I got the understanding that Heaven is within.....G-d is within...and eternal...we are projections on the physical reality...we are born within our mothers...and the gates of hell is the birth tube...hell is confusion...thats how I see it and a disconnection with the inner....we are now the outer....yet within our bodies...our consciousness is the spirit form we are...our minds are the tool we use...are brains are new and new programing..vibrations...vibrations in the brain created memory...knowledge is stored in our minds and subconcious minds and super subcouscious reality (G-d)...there is a whole lot of shakin goin on with just one experience to give it a kick start.......I wish all of us could do this....

pappy009

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Msg: 68 (view)

Where is our country headed now, is this really a depression Posted: 12/22/2008 9:20:25 AM
Heres the way I see it....if the economy goes bust...the house prices fail...the bank takes the house or you walk away because your investment is dead...the banks resell the house at a lower rate...you lose your equity and deposit..if any was made...the bank owns the house...it happened before and will happen again... I just read an interesting article on one of the web sites...I lost the site....part of the search and see ones...but our governments in the last say 15 yrs have spent our money abroad procuring products that they could have bought in our own countries....what he was saying is that because we do not do Proper Procurement that stabalizes each area of our society that we have lost billions to hundreds of billions of Dollars abroad....such as a Government that needs say military or Farming or technology (big one) that they buy from the cheapest foreign trader while a procurement of these products in your own country would produce more stability for the local populations....thus create offshoots of industry to supplement what the Government needs..Building infastructure.....now many of the companies we deal with are within our countries but there factories are not...this is the biggest problem that we have made when creating sustainable economic security... It made a lot of sense to me...... I think we should ride out this banking fraud...and force our governments to think about Us instead of them....I never agreeed with free trade...I never agreed on a North American Union...all of this had nothing to do with anyone of us...it was forced on us...we did better when we had tariffs...the only people who complained about tariffs where the corporations....the profiteers in this are the Middle men...and protectionism is not a bad thing...at least we would not be at war in Afganistan and Iraq...no need to be an Isolationist....seeing that America is the larges economy on the planet...they would be more than willing to do buisness with America....wouldn't you think...

pappy009

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Msg: 12 (view)

Religion - The universe is NOT 6,000 years old. Posted: 12/22/2008 8:39:51 AM
Well if its intelligent design....then it was implanted in the First Living Cell in the beginning.....and not from lightning hitting a puddle or some cave germs that seem just to happen...there is a design to the cell...if you want to go back far enough....the Clay...

pappy009

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Msg: 96 (view)

Catholics and heaven Posted: 12/22/2008 8:31:36 AM
320 AD...Constantine was the Emporer of Rome...an Empire on the edge of decline...before the council of Nicea there were hundreds of Christian churches thru out the Empire...the Romans never controled religon..they welcomed it...well the problem became a little to much....Constantine was losing control to the new Christian religon...Gnostic in its original understanding...to know the Truth is what Gnostic is...well....old Constantine felt that he had to do something to put the Empire back on track....so he summoned the Clerics, ministers and various other leaders of the Christian sects to a meeting in Nicea...in 325 AD...and simply stated that he needed a religion that all the empire would have and solidify the Empire in the same way....so...You Either put together a Canonize version of Christianity as one concept or...I'm going to cut off your heads....Simple as that....hes the emperor and he can do it...hes got the army...with swords....well the clerics scrambled to put something to gether for the Emperor...they had litterally hundreds of letters, documents and so on that they had to go thru them to give Constantine the Religion he needed...now...if he could have a religon that all the members of the Empire would be part of...then he could create a govenment that all the people of the Empire would adhere to also...and of course the last Emperor was the First Pope...the Spokesman for Christ....let the games begin... Now in order to get the pagans into this new Christanity...they have to create a Pagan/Christian system...I am not saying Pagans where Satanist...so the tradition of adapting Pagan rituals to Christianity....Christmas is the Winter Soltice where the sun is at its lowest point in the sky..for 3 days and then Rose up each and every day after to signify the end of the death of the sun....Christ was crucified and rose in 3 days....Easter is when Christ rose form the Dead....Easter is an ancient Egyptian time when the Sun of Heaven brought about the change in temperatures so that the agriculture thus fertilization of the seed..an Egg is a seed...an Egg represents fertility...now we have two distinct pagan rituals brought into Christianity...Except they now called them Masses...for the Masses...We also have two distinct entities Christ and the Mother of Christ Mary....Isis and Horus...the postive (male) and negative (female) that represents the duality of life...now christmas is most interesting...the tree...represents the tree of life...in every religion on the planet...we are associated with a tree..we grow as a tree grows speading out in life...so the Christmas tree represents the Illuminated Soul....we give out presents on Saturns day...Dec 25 to represent the giving of life...to share....Saturn is the day the Jews worship Satur-day...Christianity is worshiped on Sun-day...the Son of G-d or the Sun of the Heavens.... Its easy to confuse people such as....Our father which art IN heaven...or our Father which is heaven...yes the pen is mightier than the sword...so for me to understand who Christ was I have to understand that Christ Birth was significant only by the fact that Jesus became the Christ...so its important that we worship his birth...in a pagan style of course...same with all the religious symbolism of the Church...right out of pagan history...Romans in those days were Pagans first then Christians...how do you get a religon to work unless you combine them into one belief system... Way in the world do you not read the other books that were not part of the Canon...these were important books and letters of the true Christians well before Nicea...the Book of Enoch...Book of Judas...the Gospel according to Mary...the Nag Hammadi...and so on...how come Christ taught in parables...a Buddist concept....Jesus was the Light...an Indian concept....there is more to Christ than the idea of a devine birth...he had to EARN the mantle of Christ which he did on his Baptism...from the pure spirit of John the Baptist..if anyone created Christianity it was John the Baptist....upon his baptism Jesus was the carrier of the mantle of Christ...G-d Consciousness on earth that made Christ G-d....Jesus was a man who lived a perfect life...it was not in him to...lets say Sin...whatever that is.....ignorance as far as I'm concerned...you Catholics should get out more...same with the Protesants....its all a buisness...and has nothing to do with G-d...but us...we created it....not Jesus..nor Muhammud or Budda or Krishna...they were the enlightened ones that offered the path....

pappy009

Joined: 2/3/2008

Msg: 90 (view)

Atheists & Christmas, etc. Posted: 12/22/2008 7:13:12 AM
----The mention of "God" in the preamble to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms does not form any part of any declaration of subjugation or any inference that Canada as a nation is subject to "God" (not that it hurts to honour "God" if "God" exists, but that is a different matter).--- RO...your always trying to correct people on this....you don't know what your talking about... God and the Rule of Law.,.,....in our understanding...who created Mankind.....G-d.....and in our understanding what laws are we abiding to.......Criminal Law......Now why does the Constitution have G-d in it......because we are free and self governing.....and if we are free...then we answer to no one but the Law (not statue acts or moral acts) and who do we answer to if we are free....G-d....its the concept of being Free...Freeman was created by the Greeks many yrs before the Romans....a Free State where no man answers to other men.....in easier terms...We answer to G-d not the Corporation of the country...and our criminal law is taken straight from the Bible...we been thru this on other threads...it seems it hasn't sunk in......you can trace the American Constitution straight to Lev..and Deut....the laws of Moses...the Lawgiver....the pharse "In God we Trust" was during whos Presidentcy...Esienhower and what was his fear....the Military Industrial Complex that has taken over the Society....plus it shows that the state is not in charge...they Trust G-d....your right about the communism....but is not the State controled by the Government today.....the Bail out....the state is taking control of the mortgage fraud...now its state owned....thats communism...State Control....and the State is a Corporation..... --The 1956 "In God We Trust" was a politically motivated action to counter the "atheist" Communism.---now tell us...how does a nation that has the largest Christian population of any one country in the world need to protect themselves from athiest communism....I don't think they need your answer...how does making this a motto...defeat communism...and even during the communist reign in Russia the Orthodox church still survived....in a communist country....the Pope John Paul was a Polish pope...this excited the people of the communist bloc....the Catholic Religon had more to do with the fall of Russia than Regan did....that was his support group in Russia.... ---"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all." -Noam Chomsky--- And---and injustice to one man is an injustice to all men-:Martin Luther King...and who was he...a minister

pappy009

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Msg: 57 (view)

Where is our country headed now, is this really a depression Posted: 12/20/2008 3:11:47 PM
Just recently I watch a guy named Rodgers on the video site....he said something that I knew to be true....there are thousands of private banks in the US that are not under the influence of this Mortgage Bubble....it seems the scam was on the larger Banks and now there tits up....but the government wants to save them....they took the chance and they lost...so let them loose....there are thousands of smaller banks that could absorb the loss and this recession could last only a few months....so to speak.... And you Got US Treasury Charter Banks do you not (got it from a La Roche video)...the ones that sell the money to the other banks from the Fed.....why don't they offer low interest rates to the industry and allow the smaller banks to offer personal loans to the masses...untill they are out of hot water...this bail out looks like a coup agianst the people of the US using the banks to do it....there worried about treasury bonds that have been bought by China and Japan and a few other countries...but by inflating the money it makes those bonds worthless and they could dump them on the international market......would you buy them....I don't think so..let the big banks fail they deserve it and let the little bank flourish...they been waiting for this and a lot of them are good honest people...not like Sachman Gold the first bank that went down.....Chavez of Venesula had his buisness dealing in the US in the Gold bank.....interesting..... to me this all sounds like a big Game.....I personally don't believe it....well not the way they say it anyway....sounds like to me the media is there to convince us...we were doing ok untill the media told us were in a recession....then all of a sudden...progress stopped....we were in a recession for a yr and no one knew it........sounds contrived to me..IMHO I really don't know what to make of this...one thing is for sure....I don't believe anything any government tells me anymore....

pappy009

Joined: 2/3/2008

Msg: 78 (view)

The current state of Canadian politics... Posted: 12/20/2008 2:47:42 PM
The Sponsorship scandal....and why didn't Martin know about it.....because the Mafia was scamming the money.....would you rat to Martin about the Mafia.....go ahead... The Bloc...and Ducepe....Charest just won another minority Govenment in Quebec.....Ducepe better get involved..... Bob Rae created the biggest deficiet in Ontario....no Free Trade did that...he was just the sucker voted in at the time.... Dion....no Charisma.....that doesn't mean hes stupid...hes got a speach impediment..... Harper...a globalist that gave a speech one time to the Elite in NY that Canada was a Northern Welfare state...I'm impressed...gave a speech one time plagurizing Howard of Australia ... two days after Harper gave the same speech...he fired his speech writer.....it would have been better for him to copy Layton speeches.... Harper is a Globalist...his agenda is Oil....he gave a can speech from the Bilderburg group as Howard did...as Regan did, along with Thatcher...as the NWO guy GHW Bush did and of couse King George Bush.....doesn't that tell you something and BoB Rae found it out....... ---According to those guys in the link above it’s all a conspiracy by the Queen to maintain control/possession of the Commonwealth of Nations.-- :Maybe, but its not the Queen...its the Monarchy...the Monarchy is a Bank...held in the Bank of England....plus the Vatican and there Gold is in the Bank of England...that Bank in England is owned by the Rothchilds...thats a fact.....if you don't understand theres a few books out there and a couple of videos...my Favourite is "The Money Masters" ---Canada is a Constitutional Monarchy, and the Queen is already the Head of State.--- Not true....Queen Victoria before she died freed Canada from the Monarchy of those days....she was a peach....the monarchy then changed into the Bank of England joining there funds with the Vatican and the Rothchilds...if you don't believe me...how come GHW Bush and Alan Greenspan were both Knighted by the Queen....I thought the US constitution forbid doing buisness with Royalty....Bush Kneeled down before Queen Elizabeth...can you believe that...its on video...search it out... i agree with Super Ryan on this....in his last post...he seems to have a good gripe on this..... Seeing that Harper formed a minority Government...he created a sense of untrust for the other parties...they knew what he was up to and understood that if this guy brings to the table some for of nonsense they would vote him down...crash us into the 4th election in 5 yrs....the public would give him his majority.....hes a Do Boy for the Rich.... Ducepe has got to step up to the plate now.....hes losing his separate status in the provincal election.... Dion...being a dud...now they need new Blood.... And Layton of the NDP is seating back and laughing....he is out to please the people not the stoolies in power of the other parites.... Democracy is a weak form of Government.....51% rules over 49%....so who protects the 49% from the majority if the majority is wrong......The Govenor General who is responsible to the Monarchy..(not the Queen) the Bank...Canada is a Corporation...or a Bank...so what she did is allow the Harper Government to create a Budget...know that Harper was playing his Bilderburg games...plus had no economical actions to try to divert this recession.... Got a question.....how come...for the last yr...we have been in a recession..but only lately they told us...and then every one shut down....we went for a yr doing good in a recession...but ONCE the MEDIA told us we are in a Recession we all shut up the bank books.....Are we sure were in a Recession at all....or is it a play in the media....so seeing that Canada is the 13th district of the US Federal Reserve (a private Bank) without the deficiet of the US...but tied in...and with interest rates so low we could borrow for free...therefore not raise any income taxes....how come we are not using this to balance our budget and deficiet... Now don't come on here and call me a conspriacy theorist...the Bilderburg group has been found out....we all know they are the Finacers of power way above what we really understand.....Seperatism was created by the Bilderburg group so Canada would desolve into sections and be engulfed into the States...it didn't work so now they want the SPP or the North American Union...this is a conspiracy..but not what you think....its actually BUISNESS AS USUAL..for the Banksters and Gangster to destroy your soverign rights under Common Law...don't get me on that....wake up people...this is a serious game if you lose your soverign RIGHTS there not prevliges there your Rights....undesputed... And yes...we have had coalition Governments before...thats how you got a Pension Plan...UI...Social Services...Pearson days...the 60s....go back and see.... Actually Coalition governments have always worked to our benefit....Liberal and NDP...but the Conservatives of those days were more Progressive than the NEO Cons today...I use to like Joe Clark.....he was a peach and one smart dude....he opposed the New Conservative coalition....and I can see why......I really dislike Clemente and Baird.....they drive me nuts.....

pappy009

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Msg: 87 (view)

Atheists & Christmas, etc. Posted: 12/20/2008 1:40:41 PM
--THERE IS NO GOD IN THE CONSTITUTION!!!--- In Canada it states.....God and the Rule of Law..... In the US..in 1956...it was decreed that the Motto "In God we Trust" to represent that all mankind answers to G-d...or Common Law.....passed by the Government....it may not be int he Constitution...but I think what these guys were doing was creating the idea that the Constitution was Guided by G-d....IMHO What does stealing a sign have to do with Christmas.......I thought this was about Christmas and Athiest...I can see a connection but to argue its obvious conclusion is just nonsense.....

pappy009

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Msg: 32 (view)

What is Spirituality? Posted: 12/20/2008 1:32:29 PM
To believe that G-d must accept us is not what I think is happening....its more of us accepting G-d.....its freewill....IMHO

pappy009

Joined: 2/3/2008

Msg: 31 (view)

The Church vs The Bible how do we pick? Posted: 12/20/2008 1:09:21 PM
----Sorry man, I don't mean to jump down your throat...---- No problem......I often find that when one tends to mention a Rabbi they could and usually are Jews......and no offense to them at all....but they do like to bite.....most languages tend to come from the Semetic races and the Greeks and Romans yrs later....such as the Hebrew writings and that of the Kabbala.....great stuff to study.... ---The active do is not found anyplace before Christ what all before him said was the in active don't do.-- Wendy...it still boils down to the same meaning...its the meaning not just the pharse... ---"Do for one who may do for you, that you may cause him thus to do." The Tale of the Eloquent Peasant, 109 - 110 Translated by R.B. Parkinson. The original dates to 1970 to 1640 BCE and may be the earliest version ever written. 3--- Now lets boil that down to the Law.......which is........"Do not create a conflict"....thats all it means...once you create a conflict then you need to have a magistrate settle the argument..or king in those days...it means that you are a freewill Man/woman on the land with unalienable RIGHTS under G-d......That is restorative Justice...that is Common Law the law of the land.....the law of the sea is different...you are not self governing..you are part of a crew and the Captain (judge) rules the ship at sea.....Admiralty Law... Now what we have done is taken Admiralty Law which is the law of commerce...Banking...and placed it on the land.....thats why our countries are called "Corporations" a de-facto (facts) governing body.....when you apply (beg) and submit (give up your rights) to resgister for a SS or a SIN number you become an agent for the corporation and your Rights under G-d have been removed and are given previlges instead....and you are subject to moral acts called Statue Acts Enforced "as" Law of the Admiralty....Banks..to create revenue...or commerce....under Common Law you are not charged Income Tax on your labour under contract because there is no profit to labour...now we look at what is commerce...its two fold.....you buy and sell at a profit...the profit is commerce and can be taxed on income....you can also buy and hoard or hold until the price goes up, then sell for profit...commerce again and again taxed....so What if you Buy....fix it up (Work) and sell at a profit....the profit is your labour....can not be taxed because its an even trade... labour for gain...theres no profit in labour...no extra money....what profit do you earn....its a wage...and in 1895 the supreme court in the US upheld this as Law and its Common Law.....Restorative Justice...the 10 commandments is based on not creating a conflict.....ever notice that.....by being an agent of the corporation (government) you are subject to Statue Acts....these are not criminal laws...there Act (actions) which are voluntary....thus as an agent of the corporation you give up you voluntary ability..you Submit...as when you get a drivers license...you Apply (beg)...submit (give up your rights) and register (acknowledge statue acts of the Government)...you give up your Rights...you have just been tricked...if you resign your SS or SIN number to the IRS in the states or the CRA in Canada...you do not pay income tax...you cannot be charged with a statued act...and you don't need any license to drive a car...you don't need any license for anything....unless you create Commerce...labour is not commerce....bying and selling is Commerce.....What I am saying is that the Law is Religion...and if your a true Christian you will give up the SS or SIN because its the beast with no soul....you got a soul...you answer to G-d not man...... Take another phrase from Christ----Give unto Ceasar what is ceasars and give unto G-d what is G-ds.....so what is G-ds....YOU.....what is Ceasar...the Bank....go figure, Christ was an Anarchist who believed that all people are freewill souls under G-d...therefore self govening with Equal rights .....quite the revolutionary idea for the Romans and the Pharisees.....what happened to Christ after that...and Christ was born at the beginning of the Romans taxing the people....coincedence...not....meant to be....forsure because someone will always speak up against it as is do today and in the past and that created the Magna Carta...the body of Common law that we live by today....but under the table...we have not been taught to know this in our Public Fool System....read John Taylor Gatto or google his videos and find out who is behind the Educational system....you will be shocked... --A coincidental sound in English and German doesn't make any proof at all.--- Can't argue that RO, your looking up the word Danube....and it means "Donau" or flow....its also the German "word" for Danube is it not.....so where did they get the word Donau from...can you go back further to find out for me...thanks....oh by the way Current means flow also....like Current-Sea...or currency...bye the way, you can call me Pap or Pappy....Dear Pappy sounds so bloody condescending....wouldn't you think..thanks Dan is a word to......Dan in Blacks Law dictionary means Latin not German and represents Dominus...in English another language it means Sir, Master or Mister...we don't use Dan or Dominus today...do We.. Since I have been studing this Common Law and its influence from religious text..it has given me a whole new way to look at what a religion really is.....maybe RO and look up the meaning for us but actually its means...from encarta anyway...the first meaning....divine involvement in the universe and human life....right RO....to me that represent that a fellow like Christ was actually more than just a healer...he was a revolutionary as well...he stood up to organized religion against the Pharises, he stood up to Pilote...he practiced forgiveness.....he slapped out the money lenders and bankers out of the synagoue and so on....I don't think we picture this fellow as who he really was.....he had a temper too...no different than us....my contention is that all the prophets and Christ included were the Shamans of the Jewish tribes.....they were the ones who actually gave the law to the people...Moses no different...I see all of this to be G-ds word and his covenant which is a contract...in other words G-d not the Church set the direction for us...and somewher down the line we kind of lost our way..... so its the bible for me...not the church....

pappy009

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Msg: 55 (view)

Do animals get reincarnated or just cease to exist? Posted: 12/15/2008 2:32:35 PM
there alive they continue....as all things....

pappy009

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Msg: 26 (view)

The Church vs The Bible how do we pick? Posted: 12/15/2008 2:11:43 PM
The reason it is a word of any language is that its created because its a word derived form those various forms. ---just because a word looks the same in English text and sounds the same does NOT mean it has any relationship whatsoever to words in two distinct foreign languages separated by time and distance never mind several language families and cultures.--- That is how we create words...most english language is derived from Latin Greek and Hebrew for a few....when we interpit them...then its obvious we associate them with OUR WORDS...which we tend to be more scientific with....the English language is a scriptive language made from a collection of previous dialects...So whats your point...are you the teacher here...the big guy.....sorry teach....what a jerk....buddy your a jerk to openly try to correct what you think is a subordinate....the vanity... ---Many variations of this exist long before Jesus said it, most importantly Rabbi Hillel's words. Jesus was hardly the first to say them.--- Got to be a jew....for sure....does that offend you...I find if you say jew they bite...what do you think...I mean no offence just some cynical appeasement.... Madfiddler.....on the roof I suppose....one of my favorite movies...and I'm not a jew...brillant..culture...love it...no matter what culture...the real essence of the person....respect your heritage....Honour....

pappy009

Joined: 2/3/2008

Msg: 26 (view)

What is Spirituality? Posted: 12/15/2008 8:45:59 AM
Since I can remember and without the help of others I was always a believer in a G-d, I just didn't know what a G-d is. But spirituality is not a belief, its a knowledge of the creator and the understanding that this creator is so immense that conception of this creator is not in my ability to understand at this time. Faith and belief are not enough, they are starting point in this stairway to heaven, so to speak..I had an awakening, and in those few minutes of timlessness I came to terms with the connection I and all of us have to the creator, the unconditional love. It knows no other way. I have come to understand that this life is a lesson to be learned and that G-d is not my judge but my soulmate guiding me thru the valley of the shadow of death....I have come to terms to know that I am a novice and that there is so much to Understand...my path is that a Gnosticism...your path may be different....I have come to terms with the fact that my soul comes from a higher realm than this...that I am here to experience the opposite of this creator...I have come to terms in understanding that Sin as we say is a gift from the Creator so that we may sin....because in that higher realm there is no sin...I have come to terms and understand that I cannot possible know who or what I am without knowledge of the opposite...I have come to terms with what the the Master says that we are all sinners because we dwell in the world of deceptions....I have come to terms with reincarnation, it just does not happen in one shot....I have come to terms with eternity which represent the plus element of always knowing that there is more to know....I have come to terms with understand that the spirit of the Creator is pure and of the essence of the Creator and that we all are IN this spiritual reality...love.....I have come to terms knowing that my soul my spiritual form is a unit of observation and that the mind is an aspect of the connection of the soul to the material plane...there is no need for mind in timelessness of love.....I have come to terms to understand that Jesus the Christ was the Shaman of mankind....The Guiding light....the path...the teacher....and not to be worshipped but respected....and I am not in any way religious......its a spiritual path......... G-d is here an now and forever because Creation is not thru, its continuous.......

pappy009

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Msg: 71 (view)

Do you believe in an eternal soul? Posted: 12/15/2008 7:57:43 AM
--When I got out of my body I had to figure out what I was seeing, because everything looked like a mixed up sand painting, ever changing with a sweeping of ones hand. I was told that I got so far out that I was looking at things a molecular level. Figures...-- Before I entered the tube or what I think was a tube or tunnel the physical world dissolved into fragments. I am glad someone understands. I have met others who have had this experience because when it happens....everything changes.....

pappy009

Joined: 2/3/2008

Msg: 30 (view)

Missing atheist sign found in Washington state. . . Posted: 12/15/2008 7:45:31 AM
--pappy009: I don't see the placement of a sign with an alternate and conflicting view, even if clearly motivated by a desire to create confrontation and be rude and boorish, as no different that neo-Nazis defacing Jewish graves. I think the one is rude and boorish, the other vandalism and hateful. It's a matter of the degree of the "anti" activity.-- True enough... --It's a matter of the degree of the "anti" activity-- Everything has a starting point, there is no Honour in defacing what others hold dear to them...even if its an illusion...its not my right to interfere. Where does this end. My point is "Who and at what mentality are those who are wittnessing this event". We are not all at the same level. Young people without an opinion may feel its right to put that sign on your property if you have a nativity scene on your front lawn. Or take it to another level and destroy the nativity. It all has a starting point. What makes our countries fantastic is the idea that you can live the life you want and be the person you want to be. Lets face it, there are hundreds of religions in our countries, does it matter if you believe in those religions or not. I can understand the Athiest view, our media is saturated with Religious hucksters who use Christianity for the buck. It is sickening. But that does not represent the true Faith...then we generalize and combine all of that to represent it as the whole...I think the athiest have a great arguement.....but it must be represented in an Honourable fashion or no one is going understand and take it seriously....thats why TV evangelist look like money greedy jerks...send $20 and the Lord with take you into consideration....no honour...G-d don't need help or money. Where does it end between the Left and Right the believers the non-believers and so on...what is the need for a confrontation when in yourself, you will still be the person you are. Freewill comes with responsiblity and an understanding that others have the same rights....its just a tradition....Don't sweat over the small stuff... conduct yourself with Honour...thats all anyone can ask...

pappy009

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Msg: 23 (view)

The Church vs The Bible how do we pick? Posted: 12/15/2008 6:57:55 AM
Roman Maxim---Let those who would be decieved, be decieved----no one is going to tell you the truth, its up to you to govern yourself and a aquire knowledge of the Law and by the Maxims of Roman Law you can see that its derived from the Bible....How many of us actually understand that, not many. Its all based on the Bible and one quote that Christ made--the golden rule---do unto others as you would do unto yourself---Common Law--you have unalieanable Rights unders G-d, not priveliges but RIGHTS and they are undesputed. A Right is yours under G-d, Previliges are granted to you by the state....In 1956 the US past a declaration stating "In G-d We Trust", its not just a Motto it is the understanding that the foundation of your Constitution and Bill of Rights comes from Common Law. Which is the bible. The reason was to insure during the Cold War that the law is the law, communism is a state controled legal system, no Common Law, no rights of the individual. The Motto represents that you are a Freewill Natural Man/Woman born free on the land and answer to G-d not the state and your constitution says the same thing.....Common Law derived from English Common Law which was derived from Anglo Saxon Common Law which was taught to the Tribes of Germany by the Jewish Tribe of Dan that travelled up the Dan-ube River when the Romans vanished the Jews......Given to the Gentiles...thus Christianity which is the Law...Jesus died for our sins...or our deception...we have been decieved.... Admiralty Law is the law of Commerce--the Beast--no soul---Statutory Acts enforced as Laws to decieve you of your rights. The Corporation....our countries are now Corporations of Commerce...no soul...and under Common Law a corporation has no rights to sue Freewill Man/woman on the Land...what they do is create a fiction in your Birth certificate...a strawman (fictional character) and with the application of a SS or SIN number you become a Corporation under Admiralty Law....in that it gives the Corporation the Rights of a Human being....the SS and SIN numbers are the sign of the Beast... Its not superstition, its how we had altered the Law of the Bible....I am not a religious person as some may think...religion is just another club people join..under G-d there is no religions...they are the same as Corporations to me....I am a spiritual man...we have all been decieved...

pappy009

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Msg: 69 (view)

Do you believe in an eternal soul? Posted: 12/14/2008 9:23:08 AM
After work one day maay yrs ago, I was intrigued by a spiritaul exercise that allows you to leave your body....as I said it intrigued me....I don't fear to many things as a matter of fact pretty well nothing...so I thought..I'm going to try this...I tried that exercise a dozen times and failed....but one day I came home and tried it again...except I didn't try to force it....I sat in the chair and attempted it this time.....I heard a pop in my head....all of a sudden I could see my body in the chair....I was floating I think but one thing that got me was that I was aware of absoutly everything in that room with a 360 degree vision...sort of...at that moment I travelled down a dark tube...and came to rest in an area that was so beautiful I could not explain it to you if I tried....I then felt my being enter into my body again...I told friends about this and the first thing they would say is ....Were YOU STONED....Christ did that ever PISS me off...I had an experience and related to the Mindless dweebs and they still wouldn't believe me even yrs later....thats the point I think....you got to have an experience or an Awaking if not then You just do not know....why have an opinion on something that you are unaware of....do you truly believe that Science will uncover this....I do...because so many Scientist today are now believing in some sort of Intelligent design...it wasn't the religionist who quoted that but Scientist...Yea, I don't believe we have a soul....I know we do....its a unit of observation...the mind is a tool we use in this reality...until you experience this you will never know......

pappy009

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Msg: 28 (view)

Missing atheist sign found in Washington state. . . Posted: 12/14/2008 8:44:58 AM
Freedom of speech is one thing, but it should be projected with a sense of truth in it...we speculate when we deal with religous beliefs or Athiest beliefs...posting signs on nativity seens is no different that placing the Star of David on jewish buisness during Hitlers time....Whats the difference.....the thing is that we have a responsibility when we use Freedom of Speech...because if we continue to bark off the same shit constantly whose going to listen....therefore Freedom of Speech means nothing if no one is listening....there are other ways and forum to spread you idea but to insult a custom or tradition that people hold dear to them is not the way....it just creates more confrontations....I am not a religious person....I am a spiritual person...religion to me is a buisness...and none of my buisness...I do my thing..you do your...with respect...

pappy009

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Msg: 38 (view)

Ways To God And Life? Posted: 12/13/2008 2:53:16 PM
: Ways To God And Life? Well isn't G-d doing that now....

pappy009

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Msg: 18 (view)

Should God have had Adam and Eve's stomachs pumped? Posted: 12/13/2008 2:34:41 PM
---This sees Adam and Eve as making an informed adult decision in going for the forbidden fruit, but to my mind the Garden debacle resembles an ill conceived reality TV game show.--- Maybe you should get your mind out of the super market mentality...it seems you tend to compare reality with nonsense....of course theres a sense of intellactualism...somewhat flexible but anyalitical...Why are you wasting your time on this...I don't feel sorry for you...not in the least...so knock off the nonsense and say what you want to say....the story of Adam and Eve is far back into times where the only people who could describe what they knew was in this method...so why is it your at here and the point of the post...a debate...were you can excercise your wit...or knowledge...stop the silly paradies...whats your real point.

pappy009

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Msg: 19 (view)

Have you ever been driven to your knees in prayer? Posted: 12/13/2008 1:36:35 PM
--- Atheist's don't exist in the spiritual world--- I'm with you brother.....a kindred soul.... I have no need to fall on my knees that to me is desperation.....I have had tought times..tough...real tough...no food no home...been there...and I prayed...but not for the reason you think...but out of desperation.....because of that....I pray when I don't have to fall on my knees...I pray outloud when no ones around...I yell out.....Thank you for making me have the privilege to be at the bottom of the well. I now pray when I am happy....no I do not lock myself in a room...no I do not do it in public...I do it on the hill outside my house and thank the Creator for every day I live...and no matter what the situtation I have...I know it was a product of myself....I thank the Father for every day I live....

pappy009

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Msg: 167 (view)

God Delusion Posted: 12/13/2008 1:13:39 PM
---So why did religions come to be?--- Lets look at it this way...where did the people come from that created a religion..I am sure that religion is nothing more than philisophical tradition...but lets look at the tribes themselves..we could start with Isis or Amen-ra or Bhuddism but I will pick the Hebrews...because we are familiar with that....add the demension of G-d always gives us what we need...not what we want...thats up to you...so....we got a tribe of people who have a teacher (shaman) way back before the race began...they had mystical experiences either normal or induced...they guided the tribe...They healed (sound like someone)...they focus there attention on what Right and Wrong in the world we live in...suddenly more people entered the tribe they like this teacher (shaman) who healed with herbs had visions....normal or induced...they liked his stuff....then all at once they the tribe became so big that those who weren't in the tribe didn't understand them and they kind of went against the grain a little...so those who were of the tribe kept to themselves....humbly....to survive...eventually they moved on...created a bigger and bigger tribe...all of a sudden books and tablets carved out of stone represented what every teacher (shaman/prophet) represented to each generation of the new, stronger tribe...and the INFLUENCE that truly created the tribe was saying...From you great nations are to be born...because the tribe was following the game plan....out of the tribe (bubble) two new tribes challenged the tribe (new bubbles) but they could not refute the tribe because there essence came from that tribe....they just accepted the new teachers (Shaman) and left the old tribe behind...yet always connected in right or wrong....to the game plan...the old tribe was lost in tradition...religion.....then the new tribes moved on...new traditions must be created....the shaman left the tribe...there are no shaman there are spokemen for the tribe....So mankind is at a standstill two tribes trying to take over the world...now its time for a new tribe...whose the shaman.... Do you think you have consciousness because lightning hit a puddle or some bacteria grew out of a cave...do you consider that all of that happened, because I needed to be here in this form...I needed to be here is the question not the answer the answer is that... this has been supplied for me...I needed to be here at this time...same with you...Look what going on around you...its awesome...your awesome...and this is a delusion....a product of a puddle or a omeba...get real...theres a destiny to all life not just human, its bigger than that...and bigger than you...even with a degree....your just a product of repititon..therefore accepted...no one is that smart to know what this is all about...Thats why "we" are deluded...The G-d Delusion or your Delusion...prove that wrong...you are not knowledgeable about all matters not any of us... The Creator is here and now, IMHO

pappy009

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Msg: 17 (view)

Do You Believe In A Sinful Nature? Posted: 12/13/2008 12:37:29 PM
Did you ever think that you were put here for the opportunity to sin...(goes right agains the grain doesn't it) We are all Sinners...that this is the world of Sin...there isn't a person on the planet that doesn't know right from wrong....we do it anyway...we create guilt or shame or become so insensitive that you have no conscioussness of the wrong doings. Not one of us. Its as if some desire forces you to do it...some religions call them devils...I call them you....you have the opportunity to correct this...but sometimes going against the grain is fun....still you know better...theres nothing mystical about it...or religious....G-d gives us the opportunity to sin, so we can repent, and connect (salvation) with G-d again...at some point in our evolution of understanding who and what we are...were still novice so we SIN....its not the bogey man...you fell from grace to enter this world and forgot where you come from...therefore you go on the wheel of life and death...so to escape death you practise the Right and not the Wrong....create no animostity even with your thinking...detachment of this world...so you can seek a higher existence....IMHO

pappy009

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Msg: 16 (view)

Having trouble grasping `heaven` Posted: 12/13/2008 12:21:29 PM
For me... Heaven is when I become totally one with the Creator....its not a place

pappy009

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Msg: 21 (view)

The Church vs The Bible how do we pick? Posted: 12/13/2008 11:50:15 AM
-----Many, as I do, choose neither sacred texts nor religious institutions, to guide our lives.----- In Canada our Constitutions first statement is----Under God and the Rule of Law---that means I answer to G-d and not the Corporation Of Canada. There are two distinct types of law one is Common Law the law of the land and Admiralty law which is the law of Commerce or the UCC created by the early Romans. I got this little bit from a legal terms site. Bear with me here..... Note: Commerce is antecedent to and more fundamental to society than courts or legal systems, and exists and functions without respect to courts or legal systems, but not vice versa. Commercial Law, the non-statutory variety as presented below in Maxims 1-10, is the economic extension of Natural Law (Common law) into man’s social world and is universal in nature. The foundational, invariant, necessary, and sufficient principles or “Maxims of Commerce” are: 1. A workman is worthy of his hire (Exodus 20:15; Lev. 19:13; Mat 10:10; Luke 10:7; II Tim. 2:6. Legal maxim: “It is against equity for freemen not to have the free disposal of their own property.”). 2. All are equal under the Law (God’s Law — Moral and Natural Law). (Exodus 21:23-25; Lev. 24:17-21; Deut. 1:17, 19:21; Matt., 22:36-40; Luke 10:17; Col. 3:25. Legal maxims: “No one is above the law.”; “Commerce, by the law of nations, ought to be common, and not to be converted into a monopoly and the private gain of a few.”). 3. In Commerce truth is sovereign (Exodus 20:16; Ps. 117:2; John 8:32; II Cor. 13:8. Legal maxim: “To lie is to go against the mind.” Oriental proverb: “Of all that is good, sublimity is supreme.”). 4. Truth is expressed by means of an affidavit (Lev. 5:4-5; Lev. 6:3-5; Lev 19:11-13; Num. 30:2; Mall. 5:33; James 5:12). 5. An unrebutted affidavit stands as the truth in Commerce (1 Pet. 1:25; Heb. 6:13-1 5. Legal maxim: “He who does not deny, admits.”). 6. An unrebutted affidavit becomes the judgment in Commerce (Heb. 6:16-17. Any proceeding in a court, tribunal, or arbitration forum consists of a contest, or “duel,” of commercial affidavits wherein the points remaining unrebutted in the end stand as the truth and the matters to which the judgment of the law is applied.). 7. A matter must be expressed to be resolved (Heb. 4:16; Phil. 4:6; Epl. 6:19-21. Legal maxim: “He who fails to assert his rights has none.”). 8. He who leaves the field of battle first loses by default (Book of Job; Matt. 10:22. Legal maxim: “He who does not repel a wrong when he can, occasions it”). 9. Sacrifice is the measure of credibility (One who is not damaged, put at risk, or willing to swear an oath on his commercial liability for the truth of his statements and legitimacy of his actions has no basis to assert claims or charges and forfeits all credibility and right to claim authority.) (Acts 7, life/death of Stephen, Legal maxim: “He who bears the burden ought also to derive the benefit.”). 10. A lien or claim can be satisfied only through rebuttal by Counteraffidavit point-for-point resolution by jury, or payment (Gem 2-3; Matt. 4; Revelation. Legal maxim: “If the plaintiff does not prove his case, the defendant is absolved.”). If you wish to research this more you will find that the American Constitution is base on the Book of Duetoromety, that the Early Christians that wrote the Constitution we actually Freemasons.... A covenant is a Contract.....how many Convenants does G-d make with us in the bible......so my call is the Bible...but without the dogma of the Church....

pappy009

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Msg: 10 (view)

Religion - The universe is NOT 6,000 years old. Posted: 12/13/2008 11:29:08 AM
no the universe is not 6,000 yrs old, its 57 yrs old, before that it doesn't matter to me. maybe modern human man is 6,000 yrs old and before that it didn't matter, the new evolution... why do people constantly challenge status Quo concepts that we do not understand from the bible....I go with Adamaa.... Maybe we should go to one of the Kabbalistic sites and understand watch the Jewish mystics and Rabbis understand about this, I am sure Carl Sagan didn't.....

pappy009

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Msg: 25 (view)

Missing atheist sign found in Washington state. . . Posted: 12/13/2008 11:15:15 AM
---"we are all going to hell if we don't bow down to Jesus",---- What makes you think that your not already in "A" hell. Ever consider Hell as Ignorance instead. The world is a beautiful place, lets be friends, theres enough hell already. You got to be Ignornant to put a sign up beside a nativity scence debasing someone elses concepts...its not different than the Nazis painting slogans on Jewish graves. Whos right and whose wrong is of no concern if it doesn't involve you!

pappy009

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Msg: 82 (view)

Atheists & Christmas, etc. Posted: 12/13/2008 10:41:46 AM
---Someone, sometime, and someplace always wants to diss another group. So what? --- If we really understood the history of Christmas which was celebrated long before the Christians or Jews or Muslims or what ever you may understand why we blanket Christmas with Christianity.... ---We can thank those Christian founding fathers for that. We can also thank them for giving us freedom OF religion, which is not to be confused with freedom FROM religion. :)--- I'll disagree with that, the reason you have freedom of "religion" is exactly to defend yourself from "freedom From religion", therefore no one religion should have the right to occupy the government and force there religion on you... thats the point of that reasoning...like Europe went thru during the middle ages with the early Catholic church... The only thing that seems to bother me is the fact that Athiest or so called non-believers tend to argue that G-d has something to do with religion, so seeing that that is the preposition they tend to judge the idea of a G-d as being something man made and its result is religion. Which is further from the truth than you can imagine. If they were so intellectual or knowledgable they could understand by reading in the cursed Bible that Christ was against religion too, he condemned the Pharisees and Scribes as political and religious control. Religion is something man created. What religion would the Son Of G-d have, so to speak. Do you really think that hes a Jew even if hes born one, or a Christian which came along after his death...Jesus went about his buisness telling the people of the Gospel....yet the Gospel (Good News) to day is the fact that Jesus died for our sins and in three days rose from the dead...thats the gospel and good news....so what Gospel did Jesus teach....that he was dead and rose form the dead....before he died...not likely. Now Christmas is something different for me. I tend to understand that Christmas that we celebrate with all the lights and trees and Santa Claus and Jesus seems to come from another era....and Christianity has blanketed this with Christ......How many ladies out there had a Rabbit test for pregnancy...and Eggs representing fertility...Easter we call it...because the Son of Heaven....our Sun....is rising in the sky...giving birth to a new yr of growth...its called spring because the sun seems to spring up in the sky and the days become longer...do you think Easter is the rising of the dead Jesus.....once you learn the history you will grab the gyst.... What about Christmas then...what is it...On Dec 21 the Sun of Heaven reaches the lowest point on the horizon...the shortest day of the yr...it sits there for three days and then on Dec. 25 it rises....three days dead and on the third its reborn...starts to rise in the sky...but like I said earlier the history of Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus or religion..its all based on Shamanism or the Medicine man of tribes in the very early ancient cultures....A Shaman such as is claimed to be a person who had the ability to understand life from another realm of existence...what the Shaman do is take stimulants such as Mushrooms, Pot, cactus and so on...even tobacco...this created an altered state of reality...then the Shaman would get a vision and the tribe would take advice from that vision. Now our present understanding of Christmas is actually German in history...the Shaman of the earliest German tribes would at the Winter Soltice consume a rather strange looking mushroom...he also gathered this mushroom for the rest of the tribe....the Mushroom was Red on the top and had a White trunk something like Santa Claus with a white Beard and Red Hat...that would induce him into an altered state of being where he would get his visions...the Winter Soltice was sacred because the Sun of Heaven was at its lowest point...time for a vision for the tribe for the next yr...The christmas tree which represents a person...we see the idea of a tree in every religious belief from Judism to Bhudda under the tree, the tree of knowledge and so on...the tree would be dressed in sparkling lights (candles or electric today) which represented the illuminated soul of the Shaman...the Shaman in German would travel around in the snow with Caribou and a sleigh....going door to door handing out the Mushrooms...thus we celebrate Christmas with a buzz...as we do today...there is always a feast for the shaman because he was the Medicine man also...the shamans of those days were no less different than the scientist to day but without the understanding of what science has come to in this time...they dealt with Alchemy...we turn lead into gold....or an unelightened soul into a enlightened soul....the mushrooms were used to enlighten the tribe...now you can read about Sitting Bulls vision while he was on a fast duing Mushrooms...or the Hopi indians or the Indians of South America who still practice this..and these people had an uncanny understanding of how to cure certain illnesses with plants and herbs...every tribe had a Shaman or Medicine Man...How come!! How come every tribe had a Shaman how did this happen..what was responsible for this.....they believed the Creator..or G-d...whatever name you want will do...you can use Bob if you like it makes no difference..If the creator is perfect than our stupidity make little difference to IT! You can go to Gnosticmedia.com and get the full story if you like, I have been studying this for yrs.... My buddy was an athiest...we use to talk about this stuff all the time...but the problem was that his argument was based on what he seen and if you can't see it, it doesn't exist...well I cannot see a thought, or an emotion or what motivates people they just do it..because the person does what he does, would that mean that nothing on the inner motivated him...now a flower is beautiful because its a flower but what makes that flower that particular flower, the cell, the original creation of the cell...it odd that a single cell can create a tree or a human...Science can explain it to a certain degree but science cannot explain how it was motivated. Science sees the reaction not the stimulus..no one can...How many athiest understand the Vedas, sanskirt, Zen, Tibetan Bhuddism, Jewdism, Islam or the countless other beliefs that stem from ancient cultures...so my Questions to the Atheist--- If everything is energy, then what makes energy come together to create and form this reality we live in? And if Science now believes that there are more than 3 dimensions that there are 11 dimensions...what are they? If your so sure of your understanding is it possible that the Safe Haven (Heaven) is not the understanding of all these dimensions in our lives today...."On earth as it is in Heaven" or "as above so below"......

pappy009

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do you have a favorite saying ? Posted: 10/29/2008 2:39:16 PM
"Feed Me"..........................

pappy009

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Ottawa TD bank robbery Posted: 10/29/2008 2:20:11 PM
So I'm watching TV one night...and the news put on a report of a serial bank robber...next night the guy knocked off one of the outer areas banks then knocked off a inner city bank within an hour...thought. this guy knows what hes doing... a double in a day..keeps the cops going..next night...hey he did it again..then they caught him....something like 32 banks...looked at the picture and said hey I know that guy....my brothers....brother in Law...

pappy009

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Winter Storm Warning??? Are you ready? Posted: 10/29/2008 1:57:19 PM
I LOVE CANADA....I LOVE THE SNOW...CAN'T WAIT TO GET UP AT 4:30 IN THE MORNING AND GOING TO WORK AND STOP TO LOOK AT THE FULL MOON SPARKLING ITS LIGHT ON THE SNOW..IN DIFFERENT COLORS ...BRILLIANT COLORS AND PURE COLOR....I LOVE IT......now back to reality.....it snowed...before I leave the driveway has got to be cleared....I get up at 4 am instead...been doing it for yrs and love it...nothing is so pure and clean as cold air and a good snow fall...white...I'M CANADIAN AND I LOVE IT!!! Get out and enjoy it on the days you can...just dress warm...and Wait for a good day...its worth it...

pappy009

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are there any honey bee keepers out there ? Posted: 8/6/2008 5:45:33 PM
gottalight....Msg: 26....A bees navigational skills are not produced by the magnetic field, they live by the Sun. At any given time of the day, you can open up a hive and just stare, you will see bees coming in from the fields, giving directions to the other bees to were the nectar is, buy shaking there butts and pointing in the direction of the honey using the SUN as the center of the compass. The bee then starts out, KNOWING where the sun is, and its instinct and time factor of it being in the fields, allows it to understand that the Sun has moved because they are gone only Minutes at a time from the hive. They do not spend all day outdoors. They can only hold so much nectar and pollen before they cannot fly any more. So with that, the only thing that could really effect a Bee must be Man made. In Europe they have done many studies and in many areas such as Germany, they have banned Nicotine Based or used Pesticides. I believe that France is doing the same thing. I read it some time ago. I cannot refer the resource, and I wish I could, it was on the net. I flew with it. Soaked it in, and forgot. Sorry. But I believe it to be true because Monsanto has been trying to use this formula for Yrs. Remember that these corporations are owned and controlled by Profit and Cigarettes are the best source of big bucks in the last thousand yrs. next to slaves. They do not want to change there ways either. So we got to look at this whole reality of what happening not only to Bees but to all natural Life. You are eating a tomato with a scorpion gene in it to stop a certain tomato disease. I don't know what it is, its Latin. This is not global warming, or magnetism. Its the pesticides because over 60% of the bee population that has died, where commercial outfits, that moved there bees from field to field. They do this at certain times of the yr. They go into the fruit areas first with 500 hives and then move them out, to areas around farms that pollinate later. Then they move them to the areas where there are weeds in late fall will give them enough nectar to make honey for the winter, only takes a month and a half for that, buy that time your done for the season. Well in Canada anyway. Northern Keepers, in the winter, get some of that black roofing insulation. You know that black wrap paper that prevents rain from coming in. One roll will cover around 10 hives. In the winter, after putting the ladies down. Wrap One layer around the hive. Staple it, you want to tear it off. Easily, in the spring, when they got some piss and vinegar in there blood. That will keep moisture and wind from penetrating the hive. The bee will not have to work so hard going from the outside of the ball to the inside, to feed the queen at 98.6 degrees. Your body temperature, in -20 weather. They amaze me, the hive must survive. All ladies at that. Motherhood, can you beat it.

pappy009

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Fairer lawyers... Posted: 8/6/2008 5:07:54 PM
--- But I assure you, as to U.S. law, courts, and lawyers, you know nothing.--- Then look up a Satue Law as compared to a Criminal Law. Look up what a SS number really represents. Canada and the US pretty well use the same legal dictionary. I will agree, when it come to certain forms of law that there is a huge difference between the US and Parlimentary British rule or Law. I will agree that the US legal system is the best!!!...Absoultly...unless the lower courts do not follow the supreme courts and they don't. The US federal law states on Income tax that its voluntary.....if you file a federal income tax...then you must file a state income tax. Check it out, find the law that states you MUST pay income tax. You will find nothing....in Canada they use a bit of of twist, they state that Every PERSON must file an income tax......since a corporation has the same rights as a person then what is a PERSON......find the diffenition for that, then follow it through to the corporate angle. A person with a name, is the same as a corporation with a name. With the corporation the name represents an entity, its a fiction created by your government.....why.....in a free society you can call yourself what ever you like, the name you have was GIVEN to you, the easiest thing to change is your name. Why? I will answer that for you, because it was given to you by your parents, while they had Power of Attorney over you. That name represents a strawman without a brain, its really not you. Its a fiction that the government needs to know who you are. In a free society, with free speach, why does the government need to know you.....why? Its not there business, there business is to protect the civilians, gurantee privacy. Do you not have a Representative Government? Does that give them the right to control, monitor, easedrop or trace every movement you can make, which they do with technology. Pick up a dollar bill and see if you got the word MONEY Exchangable for Gold ( as it use to say prior 1913) on it. No its a debt note. When you go to the reasturant, you get a Bill, what do you call a $10.... a BILL. A $10 bill. A Bill is a debt. Why is it a debt. Because the country that issues BILLS are in solvency.......do your research. Blacks Dictionary..... Bill 1-A formal written complaint, Such as a court paper requesting some specific action for reasons alleged. 2-An equitable PLEADING by which a claim and brings a claimant brings into to a court of equity......(major piont, signifies a debt)...Before the merger of law and equity,the bill in equity was analogous to a declaration in law. The nine parts of every equitable bill are-- 1...The address of the person holding the great seal... 2...The introduction to identify the parties. 3...The premise that states the complantives case.. 4...The confederating part, in which the DEFENDANTS are charged with combination... 5...The charging part, in which the plaintiff may try to overcome defences that the defendants may allege.. 6...the jurisdicitional clause showing the court has jurisdiction... 7...The interrogating part inserted to try to compel a full and complete answer. 8...The prayer for relief and... 9...The prayer for process to compel the defendants to appear and answer. Also termed...BILL IN EQUITY... See Declaration 7.....also claimed bill in Chancery....Bill of Chancery....Bill of Equity....Bill for forclosure.... As you can see the real reality of a Bill is a debt, so when you government introduces a Bill what do you think it is, and how many new Bills that have been created that DOSEN"T cost you money Excuse me Debt. Thats what a Bill is. I may not know a lot about American law, but I do Understand what they are saying. If you check out Executive Order 11110 signed June 11/63, you will find that Kennedy, signed an Order to establish a currency that is backed by Silver. Then he got shot. Check it out. This would have done away with DEBT. The US Treasury would have issued Greenbacks like Lincoln did, and sell it to the Banks at no interest (income taxes). Oh Yea Lincoln was shot too. If the Banks are not charged Interest (income taxes) then you do not pay income taxes. And under your constitution INCOME TAXES are illegal because it is not a uniform tax like a sales tax. It decided upon by your income, yet in 1895 supreme court ruling that Earnings do not constitute PROFIT for taxation. Its a fair exchange. So now you got to look at COMMERCE, seeing that the Bill of Exchange is universal, 'Uncitral" (international trade laws created by the ancient Roman Empire or the Vatican) all Bills of Exchange must be the same in every country or you do not do TRADE. Income tax is what you pay on Interest from borrowed money which is credit and not money at all. Look up what money really is, a commodity like gold, silver and so on. A substance. Our money has no substance so its subject to inflation. Commerce This is where you buy something and sell it for a profit, seeing that you make a profit on commerce you are taxed. like Corporations are. You are not a corporation, you are not a person, you are a free natural Human Being under G-d as your constitution claims, Under God we Trust, so unless your government get a written note from G_d. Then you are above a Corporation. G-d, Mankind, Country......Thats the gyst. Like I said, I may not know alot about American Law but I do understand the Law. Even Lawyers out of College do not understand the complete idea, after all, they never created it, they simply learned what the educational system wants them to learn. Good Lawyers do, they cost big bucks, but those who are looking for a good living no matter if they win or lose, Don't. That is one thing that I have learned over the yrs. Yea, I guess I don't know that much.

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