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 Author Thread: Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 55 (view)
 
Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted: 11/20/2009 11:37:49 PM
I think Obama should just hire a Jobs Lost/Created/Saved Czar...that person should have full authority over job creation and be solely responsible for its success or failure.

However, I do believe it would be prudent for him to wait months to decide upon an action once his Czar makes a request...same as his approach with the military. That way, he & Michelle will have more time to fly to NY for dinner and a show...host White House parties...go on David Letterman shows...take trips to Copenhagan...decide what kind of puppy to get the girls...and get rid of more of our Allies' missile defense systems (i.e. Poland) and have a couple more beer summits. Oh, and play golf...

Yeah...more czars...thaaaaat's the ticket.






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 20 (view)
 
Obama Warns About Double Dip Recession
Posted: 11/20/2009 8:50:48 PM
I think Obama should name a Congressional Pay Czar...start limiting the salaries of congressmen who are from the States with the highest unemployment rates. Raise the tax rate on congressmen from states who are operating at a profit. States with higher unemployment rates? State and Federal legislators and Governors' salaries are reduced by the same percentage points they're off from the National average.

Quit making these "jobs" as politicians lucrative upon their successful elections. Give them the same criteria his Pay Czar is requiring of private CEO's...e.g. unemployment rate over the national average? No pork for your State.

Hey, a guy can dream, can't he? Of course we all know it's a 'you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours' situation in D.C. Well, perhaps not all...some actually bought that whole "Change" and "Transparency" spiel...but I digress.






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 5 (view)
 
Political bribes/Vote buying and health care reform
Posted: 11/20/2009 8:34:07 PM

I think they should all have open air meetings in the rose garden, how would that work for you? Just curious

Would be even better if they were all sitting at a picnic table with the beer of their choice...and cameras...and microphones...that is, provided reps from both sides of the congress were allowed to attend.






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 52 (view)
 
Obama Administration lies about jobs created or saved.
Posted: 11/20/2009 8:23:32 PM
msg. 46
From and outsiders perspective I would say Obama is far better than Bush, especially the job he is doing repairing the reasons why most of the world hates America.


msg. 47
I think when America gets back on it's feet we should tell the rest of the "world that hates us" to go find aid elsewhere.

I agree...starting with shutting down all US car company plants in Canada and bringing those jobs back to the USA (those in Mexico, too).

Prohibit "most of the world" from coming to the US for medical procedures so our doctors can provide those treatments to our own. If every other industrialized nation has universal healthcare for their citizens, there's absolutely zero reason for them to come to the US for it.

Start investing in and providing jobs drilling our own oil so we don't have to rely on Canadian and Mexican imports.

Once we quit paying for the rest of the World's angst...perhaps then we can make sure every child in America is fed. Then, we can work on making sure every citizen has affordable healthcare.

Our States shouldn't be asking whether or not to secede from the Country...rather, our Country should secede from the UN, WTO, et. al. Become unified again...force our government to look out for the basics while allowing us, our technology and our ingenuity to be nurtured. Afterall, we were 'neutral' during WWII until Pearl Harbor...and the Japanese admiral accurately stated, "I'm afraid we have awakened the sleeping Giant."

It saddens me...truly...to hear our "allies" belittle us...the Brits, Canadians and Aussies on these forums. As well, I couldn't imagine going onto one of 'their' boards day after day and telling 'them' how 'their' (respective) governments, politics, systems, cultures, etc. etc. are completely screwed up...I just don't feel it's my 'place' to do so. But, this is an international site...so, c'est la vie...que sera sera.

I dunno...maybe I just need to bow out of these 'political' threads for a while. For, as much as foreigners opinions trouble me, I long for the America that, shortly after 9/11 had ALL of our congressmen/women standing in front of the Capitol singing God Bless America. It really was, the only time in my (nearly) 48 years that I felt my Country was "united". Fleeting as it was.

Apologies if I offended anyone.





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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 18 (view)
 
Dad or Jail?
Posted: 11/20/2009 7:07:14 PM
Some other parts of the same article referenced in the OPost. As others have stated, what about the son, was the mother unable to control? OP, you are assuming that the only 'out of control' issues are regarding his refusal to visit his father. I can't make that assumption, or any other, based on the article you posted.

MOUNT CLEMENS, Mich. -- A Michigan teen who was sentenced to four days in juvenile detention Thursday for refusing to visit his father was released after spending only one night there.

Macomb County Judge John Foster reversed his previous decision Friday to order Jacob Mastrogiovanni, 14, to spend four days in a youth home for refusing to see his father, who has joint custody of him.

Mastrogiovanni said he has deliberately missed court ordered visitations with his father, and because of that, Foster had ruled he should be held in contempt of court and sentenced to time in a youth home.

Foster said his decision was in part based on Platevoet's statements about not being able to control her son.

Local 4 learned that his father came to visit him in the youth home Thursday, but Mastogiovanni refused to see him.

Matrogiovanni will be back in court Monday, so a judge can decide who he will spend the holidays with.





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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 10 (view)
 
couple arrested for not tipping.,,
Posted: 11/19/2009 8:55:00 PM

The excuse for bad service was "it was very busy" poor excuse, they should only seat as many customers as they can serve well.

Oh bull! If I choose to go to a nice restaurant...one that serves good food and (of course) wine, I expect the prep to take longer, the service to take longer and if the place is packed (because of their good reputation that drew me there in the first place), the whole thing to be a "dining experience" rather than just "a meal".

So what do you do with the restaurants that have lines streaming out the door and hand out those buzzy/vibraty thingys? Shut them down, cuz they're too busy?

If she was so thirsty and in such a freaking hurry, she should have just told her old man to go through the drive-thru at Burger Whop.

Unfortunately, I've had and dined with, friends who will go to nice places and find any excuse they can to get something comp'd, for free, discounted, etc. Pieces of shyt they were, and glad to say, no longer my friends.

All of that said, though...if the 18% gratuity for a party of 'x' is "mandatory" rather than "expected" was written...IMO, they get what they deserve. If they were that dissatisfied, they should of got up, paid for their drinks and left.






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 42 (view)
 
Is This a Good Reason For a Husband to Leave?
Posted: 11/19/2009 8:12:44 PM

It seems that you possibly chose someone who may have assumed...

Yeah, and it "seems" that it's "possible" that he chose someone who "may" and had "assumed" and actually believed her when she told him she loved him and she didn't want to live without him...no matter what.

Except, we don't have those details or facts. We're all just guessing at this point, which is why I haven't responded to the OP yet...only some assinine (IMO) posts on this thread, thus far.

And it seems, the OP has hidden her profile since posting this as now, I cannot look to see if she had "all my kids are over 18" on her profile...as well, she hasn't been back to reply or answer any questions. Therefore, I'm starting to lean toward agreeing with an earlier poster who said, she's looking for people to agree with her and reinforce that she did the right thing.

Yeah okay, he was just looking for the first reason to bail? Maybe the OP was looking for the first reason to bail and used her son to force his hand? Hmmm? I mean, if we're just going to throw hypotheticals out there....

Sorry, but IMO, the age of her son makes a huge difference in how I reply to the OPost.





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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 39 (view)
 
Is This a Good Reason For a Husband to Leave?
Posted: 11/19/2009 6:04:40 PM

I agree with exquisite woman.
right on!!!
children first - no matter how old. Hes still young and needed his moms help.
nothing wrong with that.
like you said, husbands can be replaced.

Even though you stated "husbands"...I hope you meant "spouses"...in other words, if the husband in this case was the bio parent and handled it the same way as the OP, you'd have the same opinion, correct?

Since we're in the 'disposable relationship' mindset, we could also say based on your logic that: since
husbands can be replaced
the husband is justified and can be exonerated in having the attitude that "family units" can be replaced.


*still shaking head*






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 34 (view)
 
Is This a Good Reason For a Husband to Leave?
Posted: 11/19/2009 1:39:33 PM

if this was a good husband he would had kept his mouth shut and took it one day at a time

Wow...just wow! I don't know what else to say regarding this statement. Wasn't too long ago and the wimmin folk and children were expected to be seen and not heard. Good Lord.





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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 25 (view)
 
What do Atheist Holla Out During Sex?
Posted: 11/19/2009 10:51:42 AM
"Now when I start making love to my woman
I dont stop until I know shes sas-ified
And I can always tell when she gets sas-ified
Cause when she gets sas-ified she start calling my name
She'd say: David Sauvignon, David Sauvignon, David Sauvignon
David Sauvignon, ooooooh shit, David Sauvignon
And I be strokin..."





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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 19 (view)
 
Missing the Point?
Posted: 11/19/2009 7:34:12 AM

something deeper than this issue was going on. you two were pretty invested in blame. you both wanted to make the other the problem, when a little basic communication could have gone so far.

Bingo!

He completely picked up on your 'hints'. Afterall, he recognized them enough to know when you were giving them, right?

A while ago this guy says to me "I wish you instigated sex more but the only time you are playful is during the day when I am reading or something."


Was it generally like pulling teeth to get him to open up? About most things...not just sex? I'm guessing it was. People who aren't good communicators or comfortable enough to discuss issues, feel that just throwing it out there is all that is needed. They assume they are understood instead of verifying with the other that what they conveyed matched the listeners interpretation.

I think it was at least a little crappy for him to ask you to be more aggressive then turn around and complain about the timeframe or situations when you did. I think you missed too, OP, by not discussing it further and seeing if there was a common ground you could have reached with him. JMO.






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 402 (view)
 
Liberal vs conserative
Posted: 11/16/2009 11:21:15 PM
So, when you're sick...classes are called off? No one fills in? You didn't have a backup plan for such occasions? Do you call each student individually beforehand and notify them class is cancelled? Just leave a note on the classroom/auditorium door? What if you're out for a week, or month? No classes? Do the students still get their credits?

Also, it seems kind of "obtuse" that you would state a point or argument and then decide not to elaborate for fear of boring *me*. Almost rings of that elitist attitude. Pleae, bore *me*.

Geez, ever watch Apollo 13? Even when there was an astronaut who was deemed 'no fly', they had a substitute. They planned well.






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 399 (view)
 
Liberal vs conserative
Posted: 11/16/2009 10:37:50 PM

If a person doesn't have health care, how long would it take for them to get back to work due to the care they received or not received? This is lost production because they are at home longer.

This makes no sense whatsoever. If a person is ill, not able to go to work, they will be off work until they are able to return to work. If the company needs to substitute labor (i.e. hire temps, job rotation, overtime, etc.) to fulfill the production requirements of the person who is absent, they will. Whether it be a day, two days, a month, or indefinitely. Most companies budget absenteeism.

I agree, training someone to fill in will take a cetain period of time...whether or not the sick employee had insurance, or not, bears nothing to the equation, though. The company will have to endure that training period regardless...unless they are the only company in the World with 0% absenteeisn.

I would be more interested in finding statistics on 'loss of productivity' due to hangovers, sick children, vehicle/transpostation failures or, just screwing off vs. 'sick time'. Recognition of patterns...act accordingly.





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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 395 (view)
 
Liberal vs conserative
Posted: 11/16/2009 9:41:23 PM

If these posts are true, as i am not american, i'd hate to know how many production hours are lost due to employees not being able to get health care or not being able to find work due to illness.

Not sure exactly what you're saying there. "Production hours" are lost when employees scheduled to be at work and working, are not there doing the work.

How would the fact of someone having healthcare, or not, influence productivity to a loss?





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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 81 (view)
 
Should the President render salutes to military personnel ?
Posted: 11/16/2009 9:23:00 PM

Do you think all presidents have had a moment during a kiss where they wish they had not been photographed?

Not a President, but a candidate while running for the Presidency: When Owlbore kissed Tipper...that made me throw up a little in my mouth...looked like the first time he had tried it since college. Ewwww Dad/Grampa, put your tongue back in your mouth. Ewwww Ma/Gramma, quit pretending you're enjoying it.


in better than forty years of following american politics this salute thing is hands down the dumbest single moment.

I'm with ya there, wudge...(shhhhhhhh)...well, next to bad Presidential kisses.






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 3 (view)
 
easy going fun lovin...what happened?
Posted: 11/16/2009 9:00:59 PM
Hmmmm...well OP, I was going to say at your age, "don't sweat it...just be you and wait to find someone who is looking for the immature/carefree guy." Then, I noticed you are 30 years old...

So yeah, by that age, most women are starting to look for a guy with whom to get serious with...settle down with...have babies and raise a family with.

Sorry to say, a jokester or someone they perceive as immature and not up to "the task" will be discounted rather quickly.

I'm not saying you need to change anything about yourself...just realize...if you're looking for someone to be serious with, they probably are, too. If you're just looking to goof around, there's others like that, too.

You've reached that crossroads...be a kid, do what I want, when I want, no one to answer to vs. grow up, be a committed partner to someone...not always get my way...compromise/negotiate...put others before myself, etc.

It's a part of life and growing up...if you're still conflicted and just want to have fun, don't get involved seriously with a woman. When you get to the point where you think you are ready to be serious...share and/or compromise your own fun for the sake of 'her', (and her, vice versa) then start looking for that one you want to share/compromise with.

Otherwise, you're just kidding yourself...not the rest of the world...and certainly, not women.






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 38 (view)
 
I can't take this anymore!
Posted: 11/16/2009 8:39:03 PM
Wow Gideon...just WOW!


Do you always fight him on everything?

Yeah, 17 years of marriage and 2 years of separation, I'm certain all arguments and fights were the OP's fault...


Do you look for reasons to start something?

Yeah, 17 years of marriage and 2 years of separation, and I'm certain the OP is the only one in the relationship to "start something"...


Do you oppose him at every turn? Do you push his buttons and get him so upset he pops?

Well sure! Absofreekinglootly! It may have taken her 17 years of marriage and 2 years of separation to finally figure out how to make him blow his freeking top, but by God, she's finally got it...Or perhaps, she figured that out long ago and she 'deserved' the abuse he dealt her all these years, eh? You f'ucking moron. (ban me at will, I don't give a shyt)


My guess is that the answer is yes, and he told you he burned the agreement (your agreemen, not his) because he knows that you are fighting him, and if you would stop and pay attention to what you are doing, everything would be better and he would not lose the investment he has in you.

If "he" truly valued the "investment" he had in "her", I would think he'd be acting a little more grown up about it all.

Oh, but wait...you're of the same opinion as the OP's 'husband'...that a woman should be seen and not heard, right?

Good Gawd, no wonder "they're" leery of "us"...






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 10 (view)
 
I can't take this anymore!
Posted: 11/16/2009 2:19:49 PM
Yeah, I agree with ^^(funny $ sign name person...lol)...

It's been drawn out for 2 years and you're nearly to your wits end...just about ready to give up everything merely to be done with it. His strategy is to screw with your head and keep playing his power game until you do drop what you're 'asking for'.

Sounds like you're about strapped financially, too. Start pinching your pennies, OP. Cut coupons, shop sales, go without wants and focus only on needs to save up for another attorney.

I'm not an attorney, but something that needs to be asked/answered...so what if he used his copy of the agreement as firestarter...were the documents filed with the courts? If so, it should have stated an amount of time for him to file his answer...whether he agrees or disagrees. Typically, ignoring something filed and properly served by an agent of the court indicates agreement to its contents.

Or, was this merely some sort of tentative 'proposal' and nothing filed? I mean, if your attorney charged you 8 grand just to draw up a separation agreement, you're being raped (IMO)...unless you've had him/her on retainer the entire two years.






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 121 (view)
 
Support broad in U.S. for public healthcare option
Posted: 11/13/2009 8:37:05 PM

I may be cynical but all that poll tells me is that 30% of Americans are too stupid to understand what the word "option" means.

No, you're not "cynical"...a little dumb in math, perhaps. In fact, go re-read the numbers I posted...then come back and explain how you arrived at 30% of Americans being stupid....





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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 3 (view)
 
A new amnesty bill? How many times will this happen?
Posted: 11/13/2009 4:31:51 PM

I say now that he is leaving CNN you will see him follow that crazy train know as Beck to Fox where he can let that racist opinion fly like he does on his radio show.

Can you expound on what exactly it was you found "racist"?

I would suggest that if/when the amnesty bill passes, that we eliminate the border to our north, too. Hell, since NAFTA, we're all supposed to be one big happy family anyways, right? Then, you guys could start enjoying the drugs, guns and crime, too...spread the wealth kind of thing.

Momma always told me, "when you're pointing a finger at someone...you have three other fingers pointing back at you."






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 315 (view)
 
Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/13/2009 4:14:06 PM

The truth us, the fact that they actually believe it is what makes it so funny. It's as if they thinking repeating the word "terrorist" (or "socialist" or fascist or communist, etc) will make everyone as scared as they are

No, it's the redefining of the term and reclassification of who is and who isn't by this administration that is sickening and appalling.

*No longer the "War on Terror"...
*No longer call them "terrorists"...they are now "perpetrators of man-made destruction"
*No need to label Hasan a terrorist without a thorough investigation

And yet, have the unmitigated gall to label returning soldiers and marines as potential "domestic terrorist threats"...no need for a fricking "thorough investigation" there, is there? Free to define our military using the term "terrorist".

Oh...and what makes it even funnier? Are the posters who are so scared by our military men and women that they jumped right on that bandwagon of agreeing that our own were rightly "terrorists"...hmmm, wonder what 'they' were "afraid" of?






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 11 (view)
 
What timing! US government seizure of mosques!
Posted: 11/13/2009 3:52:48 PM

the first terrorist attacked was done here and people from Middle east/muslim learned from the best here in the states, especially southern white baptists/KKK. give yourselves a hand folks.

Kind of a biased opinion, wouldn't you agree? You failed to mention some other prominent terrorist tactics in the USA perfomed by the Black Panthers, PETA and Greenpeace, etc. etc. I guess they should be giving themselves some high-5's too, eh?

Oh, and since you desire to bash Protestants...specifically Baptists...while stating you're a Catholic...umm, aside from muslim's treatment of women, did you also happen to include in your college presentation this week, your disdain for priests molesting children?

So, treating 'their' women as less valuable than 'their' goats and camels and enslaving other human beings is better (in your mind) than using the N word from the pulpit, eh?

Sorry to say, but I find them equally despicable.





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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 8 (view)
 
What timing! US government seizure of mosques!
Posted: 11/13/2009 1:58:43 PM

and it is illegal in the United States to do business with the bank.



A 97-page complaint details involvement in foundation business by several top Iranian officials, including the deputy prime minister and ambassadors to the United Nations.

"For two decades, the Alavi Foundation's affairs have been directed by various Iranian officials, including Iranian ambassadors to the United Nations, in violation of a series of American laws ,"

Sorry, what was the question?






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 294 (view)
 
Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/12/2009 12:57:00 PM

And now we may have a Terrorist attack on American soil

We've already had a "terrorist attack" on American soil since Obama took office. At least, that's what the guy is being charged with...as a result of the killing at the Little Rock Recruiter Station on June 1st.






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 116 (view)
 
Support broad in U.S. for public healthcare option
Posted: 11/12/2009 12:48:50 PM

why is it that there are a huge numbers of people one can meet on the street or on the net whom support single payer but, it has never been put up for even a discussion on the floor of those whom are said to represent us?

I am callin Shenanigans!


I know many here choose to ignore polls, but I'll throw this out there regardless...

I heard a couple of days ago when people are asked, "Do you support UHC that includes the 'choice' of a public option," the favorability rating was just over 70%. When the question was asked by removing the "the choice of" phrase, support dropped to barely over 30%.

As you are advocating a single payer system, based on ^^ numbers, might have something to do with it. Like I said, it was just a poll. *shrugs*






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 252 (view)
 
Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/10/2009 10:37:08 PM

One is an instance of someone losing their reason over a span of some months, with many extenuating circumstances to account for it, and the others are examples of people with long held beliefs acting out against what they percieve to be their enemy.

I guess at this point, I would need to ask you for a link or some kind of corroboration that "someone" lost their reason over a span of some months with many extenuating circumstances to account for it".

Again, going after one individual in a thead based on previous postings in long past threads, seems to indicate having a weakness for the current argument, turning a general discussion into a personal one, and going off topic.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion and interpretation...as am I. And while you somehow narcissistically think this is about 'you', I assure you it is not. The OP asked, "What are the quesions? What are the answers?" Part of my thoughts to the OP's question, is "who" is asking the questions? "what" question are they asking? "when" do they tend to ask the questions? "why" do they ask the questions? The first few can usually be answered by the last ("why"?)...for political reasons/gain. Which, I believe this thread has substantiated rather handily...that there are no 'concrete' questions and answers to be given in a handbook. We're talking about humans here...






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 250 (view)
 
Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/10/2009 10:04:08 PM

I am wondering why you are so fixated on what I post as to remember and bring up posts I have made months previous to this.

Well, sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not fixated on 'you'...only hypocrites and those who choose to aggrandize their own political agenda.

Therefore, I went to other threads where someone was murdered in the name of an alleged "cause" and scrolled to the first poster who referenced that perpetrator a 'terrorist'. Sorry it turned out to be you...I wasn't about to scroll through all 30 pages and try to establish a pattern once the first poster I came across proved my point.

Which was, we will all label 'someone' a terrorist if the act they commit goes against something we believe based on their own interpretation.

And so, I repeat...why is it okay to have a kneejerk reaction and label some as terrorists but others cannot do the same? Why do some feel superior to others in their beliefs and can rationalize it, while chastising others for the exact same thing, regardless the "cause"?






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 246 (view)
 
Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/10/2009 9:34:21 PM
Ismene, I had it copied and pasted earlier today, but decided not to post it. At the time, I didn't see the sense in trying to turn this into a 'us vs. them' political debate, but now that you've brought politics into it, sooooo....

Recall the 'abortion doctor is killed' thread? You recall stating that people who kill for extreme religious views are the same as 'suicidal bombers'? You recall stating that such an act is "terroristic behavior"?

Why is it okay for you to call certain murderers with religious motivations "terrorists" but others who call muslim murderers "terrorists" as being the ones who foster "the them versus us attitude"? (please keep in mind, that Roeder's religious beliefs/motives were speculative when you made your post the day after the thread started).

Is that merely a hypocritical double standard, or a situation where your kneejerk reaction was somehow justified? Oh, and guess what...your kneejerk reaction turned out to be correct...Roeder did it on the guise of religion (based on his recent confessions). And guess what else...so might have Hasan...or politics...either way, that would not be unlike a suicidal bomber behaving terroristically.

Also, in terms of McVeigh...he was not religious...he was raised Catholic, but hadn't practiced in years and what he 'believed', sounded more like agnostic or, evolutionary. Also, he was a Libertarian...'government hands-off' kind of guy...actually voted Libertarian way back 'then'...that's why he chose the 2 year anniversary of Waco to bomb OKC...commemoration of and retribution of too big and intrusive of a government, i.e. political rather than religious reasons...which, btw still fall within the realm of terrorism.

Same goes for Hasan...perhaps his reasons weren't 'religious'...perhaps, like McVeigh, they were political...same result...same same = terrorism.

You chastise others here for kneejerk reactions fearing a backlash towards all muslims yet, acted upon your own kneejerk reaction (by posting) without fearing a backlash toward all Christians or pro-Lifers. Yet, preach acceptance for 'all', eh? "All" meaning whom, exactly?





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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 224 (view)
 
Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/10/2009 5:53:33 PM

Not that you actually care to know, but the term is Secondary Traumatic Stress Disorder. It is experienced by PTSD counselors in the military, VA, civilian professions and even more profoundly in lawyers who specialize in vicitms rights who have no training on how to walk that path without compassion fatigue or burnout and undue stress upon themselves. You may google Secondary Traumatic Stress Disorder if you really care to know what caregivers are subject to.

EP, I actually do care to know . I’ve been googling my azz off since another person posted a link after my question. I will admit my ignorance and never having heard of “Pre” TSD before this event. Hence, my skepticism in my previous post. However, I’ve not yet been able to find any kind of data or hard studies into it...a lot of conjecture, hearsay and theory, but no fact-based numbers, statistics or anything else scientifically supported from a medical/clinical perspective. I will keep searching, though...especially now that you’ve given me a different description (STSD) other that “PRE”.

This thread has been wrought with assumptions, what-if scenarios, etc. from both ‘sides’, IMO. I purposely did not post to this thread...although I have been following it since it started...because I have been waiting for the facts to be divulged by the authorities. I certainly understand American’s heightened sense of alertness since 9/11 and “fair” or not, when a muslim kills or injures dozens of Americans in America, I can understand where they’re coming from. I’m also trying to keep an open mind from where ‘others’ are coming from. Withholding my kneejerk reaction.


If this was not meant as an act to show his hatred of America and the War, Why did he drive back to Base and Kill those in the Military?

This is something I pondered immediately after the news broke. Why not just commit suicide as so many other PTSD vets have been doing the last couple of years. I believe Ft. Campbell had the highest incidents of suicide in that post’s history last year. Then again, he didn’t have PTSD...he ‘allegedly’ had STSD. So, as I stated before...if the evidence is there, they will charge him as a terrorist...if not, a mass murderer.

I will go on record as saying this...as tragic, senseless and horrific as the loss of these American’s lives is...if it is found (proven) that there was enough evidence on Hasan to intervene and our intelligence group dropped the ball and thereby ‘allowed’ this to happen...the blood is on their hands just as much as Hasan’s. Whether it be political correctness, ineptness, dereliction of duty, or whatever...they need to pay, also...and there is no political partisanship in that statement whatsoever...NO MATTER WHOM.






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 19 (view)
 
How to ask the right questions.... What do i do now?
Posted: 11/10/2009 2:26:39 PM

A few weeks ago I posted a thread about asking the right questions in the relationship. Ive been dating this guy for 2 months. For the first 6 weeks it was great, we hung out all the time, spent lots of time at eachothers places, called and texted quite alot.

OP, based on a different thread you started, you were having these 'hot/cold' issues after a month. You stated that this guy flat out said, "he needed his space". So, for the past month, you've been clinging to something that isn't there, Dear.

I'm a little old fashioned when it comes to 'dating' in that, if there is someone I'm truly interested in, attracted to and turned on by, then that is who I am going to explore a relationship with...not this dating around crapola. Which means...I don't feel a need to have any official relationship status discussions or, The Talk. I will be so into her, that my actions will convey more than what any words would.

As well, if I'm feeling along those lines but, not feeling it being reciprocated...feeling left alone...feeling that 'something' is wrong , then I am going to ask questions. If she isn't feeling the same and doesn't foresee ever getting 'there', then okay, adios, have a nice life.

Seems to me that falling inlove with someone is more of an instant attraction tempered with natural progression. Not some sort of orchestrated string of events where somewhere thrown in the mix is a discussion of exclusivity...JMO.






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 208 (view)
 
Fort Hood shooting - What are the questions? What are the answers?
Posted: 11/10/2009 11:41:12 AM

you just want it to stop ... you develop a real hate and it can eat you up. It can turn you into something so totally different than what you normally are.

Then I guess he should consider himself lucky that he will be tried in a military court rather than a civilian court where they could tack on a "hate crime" label, eh?

Some people are driven to develop a real hatred from non-stop harassment. Some, from extreme religious or political indoctrinization. Yet others, I would guess, from a combination of both.

My opinion is, the FBI, CIA and US Army will continue their investigation. If they believe it was an act of terrorism, he will be charged with such the same way Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad was after the Little Rock Recruiter Station shooting this past June (another muslim who was opposed to US foreign policy and wanted to make a statement in protest of it).

If not, they can fry the traitorous murderer...formerly harassed, or not.

Also, could someone please explain to me how " Pre TraumaticStressDisorder" works? Have there been studies performed for this illness?





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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 69 (view)
 
Recent string of shooting rampages
Posted: 11/9/2009 2:11:05 PM
Not sure why all the hubbub regarding "assault weapons"...they're used in a tiny fraction of murders, mass murders, etc. Sounds to me, like we should be requiring background checks for the purchase of gasoline, lighter fluid and other common accelerants used in arson-related mass murders.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcassaul.html


from msg. 41:
It seems very obvious to me that the easy availablity of high powered guns is a factor "the general easy availability of guns and ammo here ...let's face it , it's a different story to have to go on a "mass stabbing spree."

This guy didn’t seem to have a problem doing it:

“Tokyo's Akihabara district, a popular shopping area for consumer electronics, was still in shock on Monday following a killing spree by a 25-year-old man who plowed a rented truck into an intersection full of pedestrians, then began stabbing bystanders at random. The rampage, which left seven dead and 10 injured, was another reminder of a violent side of Japan that is not often discussed.
Japan has one of the lowest crime rates in the developed world, yet the country still sees spasms of stunningly brutal, often random killings. The June 8 Akihabara massacre occurred exactly seven years after a former school janitor with a history of mental illness stabbed eight children to death and injured many others at their elementary school near Osaka. The nation has seen a spate of stabbings already this year, including a shopping-mall knife attack in March in which one was slain and seven were injured.”

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1812808,00.html

It’s not just the USA…and it's certainly not guns.






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 201 (view)
 
Nobel Peace Prize Laureate confirms Faux News is NOT a news organization
Posted: 11/5/2009 11:01:03 AM

Clearly some only want their news framed in context of their faith - and that's what the Republican party is becoming: faith based.

I disagree. It is the democrat party that is attempting to become faith-based and with some real success. For example, read the following article...

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1025/p15s02-uspo.html






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 19 (view)
 
Upstate NY congressional seat battle
Posted: 11/4/2009 9:03:14 PM
Well, the Dumbocrat may have won, but in the end, what I noticed was...Dumbocrat: 49% of the vote...Conservative + Republican: 51% of the vote.

It illustrates the job in front of Steele and the party leadership to do exactly that...lead.






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 67 (view)
 
Support broad in U.S. for public healthcare option
Posted: 11/4/2009 8:38:08 PM

I just read that AARP is going to endorse the the house democrats and the health care reform bill

LMAO...that's funny...what I read in the article you posted was:


They spoke on condition of anonymity because the endorsement is not official yet






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 312 (view)
 
Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/3/2009 11:31:30 AM


As you state, it will be there in 'black and white' which pollsters were the closest.

Once again,what are you even talking about.I don't think the polls on Obamas approval rating has a shred to do with whom is voted in on a few state elections,that has absolutely nothing to do with Obamas Approval,and these ratings I'm talking about are different from the polls your talking about.Here you spout off Black and white and instead you throw us gray.You need to go to another poll for that.

Here, let me spell it out for you in black and white...

What I'm saying...and 'what' this has to do with Obama's approval rating numbers is, that there are a few elections being held today. There are polls going into the elections and there will be actual voting results after the election. I stated above, that it will be interesting to see which, if any, polls were close to being accurate once the final results are in.

As there are many on this thread who discount Obama's approval ratings/polls, perhaps they would be persuaded differently based on an accurate poll for these elections. Or likewise, those who are putting a lot of stock in Obama's ratings may be persuaded differently if all of these polls are completely out of whack of today's elections.

That help any?






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 38 (view)
 
legalized marijuana...a possible American reality?
Posted: 11/2/2009 9:32:01 PM

Are you trying to say that one needs to do heroin to understand whether the war on drugs is a total waste of 100s of billions or a shining exemplary example of a successful strategy.

Hmm, let me go check the thread title again...yep, I was right...it says "marijuana", not "heroin". So what are you saying? All drugs should be legal?


Did you have to be a drinker to completely understand that prohibition did not work in fact it was the direct reason the Mafia got its foothold,so thank the goody two shoes for the mafia

LOL..."it" also was the direct reason we now have NASCAR...for some reason though, I seem to be drawing a distinction between an organized crime outfit and a highly regulated sports industry.


All these drugs used to be legal until the perfect conservative and religious persons demanded they be heard and created this hell they call inner city gangs and a war on drugs,what morons,we should be able to hold them criminally liable for causing so much harm.

Yeah, that's pretty typical for a liberal...blame the purporters of laws and law enforcement rather than the perpertrators of the crimes. Okay, okay...let's just legalize it all...as long as your on board to be held criminally and financially liable for whatever increase in crime is a result...deal? Yeah, didn't think so...






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 23 (view)
 
Should the President render salutes to military personnel ?
Posted: 11/2/2009 9:15:55 PM

How did this become a question of political party

Ummmm, I’m guessing by the very first response given to the OP:

see what happens when you elect a Reagan ?

Rather than offer his/her own opinion, the first poster to the thread referenced a conservative President...and suggests, that if it is indeed a ‘problem’...then it’s the conservatives’ fault.


And then, there’s this very ‘political’ point which the OP stated in his opening statement:

The President may be the Commander in Chief, but he is firstly a civilian. The Constitution is specifically clear about the President being a civilian and not a member of the military. In the United States, civilians do not give military salutes to the military.


And then there’s this ignorant post:

Reagan was the first President who hadn't actually served (he was an anti-War demonstrator during WW1) since....I'm counting back, but I think either Hoover or Coolidge. So, partly out of ignorance, and partly to mask that, he started the practice.

Obviously ‘politicized’, or that poster would have googled and discovered that Reagan had, in fact, enlisted...the Army Air Corps...was what he had to ‘settle’ for due to his disability and the service’s physical requirements.

So you tell me, “when did this become political”. And by the way, I agree with you...the Commander in Chief would be a low life sumbytch if he didn’t return a salute to those he expects to protect him...and Michelle...and their daughters...oh yeah, and us.





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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 17 (view)
 
Should the President render salutes to military personnel ?
Posted: 11/2/2009 8:06:45 PM

There is no one higher in position in this country and he is the Commander and Chief,everyone in the military,of all branches, are his soldiers,heck ya,he can salute,what a dumb question.

So then, are you saying your democratic brethren are wrong to suggest that Ronald Reagan was wrong to return a salute?






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 36 (view)
 
legalized marijuana...a possible American reality?
Posted: 11/2/2009 8:02:37 PM
Not sure the proper term...ironic?...hypocritical? Anyways...

Of the 7 posters on this thread overtly advocating legalization, only 1 person had the balls to state on their profile they do drugs...

So, it's merely more of the same ol' "do as I say, not as I do" crapola...even though it's preached on these boards day after day, "watch what they do, rather than what they say".





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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 306 (view)
 
Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 11/2/2009 7:40:11 PM

Killene its right there in black and white on your link 57% approve of Obama. Yet you still update us on a tenth of one percent when these polls can vary 12% all polling the same thing.

It will be interesting to see the results of the elections tomorrow...NJ, VA and 23rd of NY. To see where the polls were today going in and what the actual numbers reflect tomorrow. As you state, it will be there in 'black and white' which pollsters were the closest.






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 10 (view)
 
The Box
Posted: 11/2/2009 11:56:06 AM
Just another one of those movies to get us to question our own morality. Sort of like Indecent Proposal asked the same question but from an infidelity pov rather than causing a death. Personally, I don't think I could 'live with myself' from pushing the button or getting paid to let someone screw my wife. I'm just weird like that.






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 172 (view)
 
COWARD ! - The Ignoring Game
Posted: 11/2/2009 11:47:45 AM

P.s - I ESPECIALLY am talking about a scenario where the man is your BOYFRIEND...you have a RELATIONSHIP....

Unfortunately, I can't help you, OP. Any time *I've* been the 'boyfriend' in a 'relationship', I had the respect and courtesy to explain what the issues were while breaking up. Guess I've also been fortunate that *I've* been offered the same respect and courtesy from anyone who has ever broken up with me.

Guess I will just echo some of the reasons already offered by others...afraid of confrontation, ulterior motives, personality disorders, etc.





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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 31 (view)
 
Dogs Have a Bigger Environmental Impact Then SUV's CarbonWise!
Posted: 10/31/2009 9:24:06 PM

Hmmmm, not sure where you're getting your facts from. I'm not in California and right now I'd have Wudger's babies.

Hey, knock yourself out...or up...if a 26 year age difference doesn't bother you, it sure doesn't bother me.



Oh wait, that's right. I'm not in the US and to guys like you, the rest of the world doesn't exist.

Umm, no...that's where you're wrong. To 'guys like me', the rest of the world does exist. Far be it for me to pass my judgement(s), right? Except, when discussing the topic of this thread...before I give my opinion, I guess I need to understand exactly 'what' your disdain toward SUV's stems from.

And, please don't bring up the 'carbon footprint' (read cap & tax/trade) thingy since that fallacy has pretty much been disproven in the EU as y'all have had that law enacted for nearly 6 years and the net result has been an increase in CO2 emissions.





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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Dogs Have a Bigger Environmental Impact Then SUV's CarbonWise!
Posted: 10/29/2009 9:29:21 PM

I have no problem with SUVs for a decent reason. you need to drive a big Suburban because you are contractor, makes perfect sense. you want to be one of these Escalade driving accountants I see around town, who can't even parallel park the thing, stop running the planet into the ground for your ego and stop clogging up the highway with your lousy driving in a big machine.

See, that used to be the beauty of the USA...you can have your opinion...hell, you can even express your opinion. But, if *I* wanted to buy what *I* wanted to buy...so fricking what?!

You might want to be careful for what you wish for...might come a day where *I* get to determine what *you* drive...and believe me, you won't like it. Laymen...hoof it. Workers...bicycles. Supervisors...tricycles. Managers...people-drawn carts. Owners...motorized people drawn carts (with gold inlay). Don't like it? Tough doo doo.

Man, I'm glad outside of California...the rest of the Country doesn't see the World through wudger's eyes.






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 10 (view)
 
Should the President render salutes to military personnel ?
Posted: 10/29/2009 9:11:10 PM

You can't expect Obama to stop it though - he takes flak if he doesn't wear a stupid pin for God's sakes

You're damn right he 'did'...same as not putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem.

And now it's becoming clear, isn't it?





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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 75 (view)
 
Wouldn't ordinarily do this... Maxim mag/porn accusations etc
Posted: 10/28/2009 12:01:02 PM

You joined a dating site a month and a half ago... she has reason not to trust you.

He lists his status as living together and states he's here seeking advice.

OT: OP, has your GF ever been checked for BPD or depression? The 'usually sweet' and 'flies off the handle' extremes sound like they could be signs of a disorder. Otherwise, I'd be gone...*I* don't deal too well with someone who communicates by being demanding, throwing tantrums and giving ultimatums.







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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 215 (view)
 
Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 10/27/2009 10:52:32 PM

This is the favorability poll

Reading is fundamental!


Umm, his "favorability rating" when he was elected was almost 80. So, a 25 point drop in 10 months is a good trend in your opinion?

*rolls eyes*

Reading may be "fundamental"...but objectivity is bliss.






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 27 (view)
 
what does it mean when a woman says ??????
Posted: 10/27/2009 10:14:41 PM
She liked you before she went on the trip.

She met someone while she was on the trip.

He invoked feelings that either, you haven't expressed, or, expressed them better than you do.

If you don't step up to the plate and get 'real' about her and the relationship, she's outta there.

In other words, OP...a passive/aggressive threat.






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 davidsauvignon
Joined: 2/6/2008
Msg: 5 (view)
 
legalized marijuana...a possible American reality?
Posted: 10/27/2009 9:46:56 PM

legalized marijuana...a possible American reality?

Gonna have to pay for UHC somehow...what better way, than to legalize pot, tax it and then distribute it as an alternative to those nasty, expensive pharmaceuticals?

Anorexic? Here ya go...guaranteed to induce munchies.

That Viagra pill cause a 4 hour erection? Here ya go...you'll be limp before your 'head' hits the pillow.

Have an ADHD child? No worries...two bong hits with their Cheerios in the morning.

LMAO...just realized I covered men, women and children right there ^^^.






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