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 Author Thread: one night stand etiquette questions
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 31 (view)
 
one night stand etiquette questions
Posted: 5/3/2008 11:00:38 PM
wow I really have to say you two last posters are really clever. Way to go...Thanks for your wisdom and for letting the world see how great you are. Take care. And don't forget to judge how great you are on how low you try to get others down. I think you got that one down already.

Now 'I' look like the idiot. But it doesn't matter. I couldn't stand your...whatever you call that stupidity and arrogance.

But I did like all (or most) of the previous ones.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 22 (view)
 
one night stand etiquette questions
Posted: 4/28/2008 2:52:33 PM
I really like your comments so far. The thing is as it is I'd just like to see her again. Not get into a 'serious' relationship per se. There's a world of difference. Just to see if what was going on wasn't only a one night kind of connection. ie I think it clicked on every level but I can't say if it's only part of the whole game. So meeting would be nice to check that I'm not crazy!

I got my poker night tonight lol but I don't think it's such a great date idea! I got the pool on friday. That would probably be better. Or maybe just go back to the bar but I'm not so sure about that one.

Do you guys think a week is too long a gap?

I'm really lost when it comes to those things lol.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 10 (view)
 
one night stand etiquette questions
Posted: 4/27/2008 10:25:40 PM
To answer some of the points...I guess at this point it is a one night stand. Don't hold the word choice against me I know none better (I'm not english lol). What others are there lol? If something more happens then it wasn't the way I see it. We did meet and went home. And she did give me her number the following morning. I hope it's a real one!! But I can't rely on her calling since I don't have a phone yet I just moved to a new city!
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 1 (view)
 
one night stand etiquette questions
Posted: 4/27/2008 4:04:13 PM
Okay I need a little help on that. I had my first ever last night. I'm not so sure what's normal and what's not on that. So I got a few questions.

How can you tell if someone wants to meet again?
Do people usually exhange phone numbers?
How long do you wait before calling back?
How can you tell if it's heading just for the sex or for an actual relationship or at least seeing again thing?

Okay hard but that should cover what I need to know. And again avoid that judgmental thing please lol.

Thing is we had both pretty 'rough' sex and quite a lot of 'sweet' moments. She seemed really interested in both the sex and the talking. In the morning too (not drunk).

I guess I should have asked: Do people usually do this whole talking for hours in bed thing? I mean do people usually stick to sex only during one night stands?

I guess that could shed some light on all that. Because I'd really like to get more out of this experience. But I don't think I'm very good at reading the one night stand game!
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 10 (view)
 
Would men still be interested in lots of sex if never allowed to cum?
Posted: 4/27/2008 3:37:02 PM
I don't mind. I did just that last night. Sex is so much more than that. I think it means a lot to the girl when you do this. They just go thinking how not a **stard you are and how sexually generous you are lol. However one way or another at some point it does have to depressurize! So that's not something I'd do all the time but sometimes it's good to be a giver. Did I make sense?!
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 56 (view)
 
Are men turned off by politically involved women?
Posted: 4/6/2008 8:11:52 PM

the more people have going for them, the more likely they are to be politically involved


huuuuum...
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 170 (view)
 
All men cheaters or just some?
Posted: 4/4/2008 8:54:22 AM
Karaoke Monster you get my vote.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 11 (view)
 
why to date a geek?
Posted: 4/2/2008 11:32:51 PM
It's all true for me. But you'd have to allow me not to relate to 5 and 8 that much!

Go spread the news!
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 79 (view)
 
Mensa? anyone?
Posted: 4/2/2008 11:14:09 PM
ooo nevermind.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 72 (view)
 
Mensa? anyone?
Posted: 4/2/2008 4:06:42 PM

4. Average IQ scores for groups: Philosophers 160; Scientists 159; Fiction writers 152; Statesmen 150; Musicians 149; Artists 153; Soldiers 136.


None of that is true. It's not even close.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 31 (view)
 
Please explain ambitious and successful
Posted: 4/2/2008 10:18:16 AM
and still what they think they think is not really what they think...got it? lol we're even trying to be politically correct with our own self. That's pretty sad not to be able to talk with 'you' and to not lie to 'you'.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 53 (view)
 
Are men turned off by politically involved women?
Posted: 4/1/2008 11:01:53 PM
I am. But only because it usually implies so many other things. One of them being being a lefty. Because we all being right-wing and involved doesn't really exist right?!

It's pretty much like the previous poster was saying.

Actually it's not because I mind being around lefties but they usually tend to shout me things whenever I open my mouth to say I like Mcdonalds and Walmart. It's sad because I like debating ideas but I never got to this point I think with someone from the left. So then I mind. It's not that fun being treated like a moron because you don't believe in what they do.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 68 (view)
 
Mensa? anyone?
Posted: 4/1/2008 10:54:24 PM
Do you think having a handicaped people club is to show the world how handicaped they are?

No

Same for this club. But it seems harder to understand for most people strangely enough.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 29 (view)
 
colored contact lens. Thoughts?
Posted: 4/1/2008 10:17:35 PM
How can we know we've never seen any that looked real?! They would look real...

It's like asking to state what are the things you don't know. You can't. With the lenses you can if the person tells you though.

Actors wear them as far as I know. And they sure do look real. Even on giant screens.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 27 (view)
 
Please explain ambitious and successful
Posted: 3/31/2008 11:33:22 PM
entitled to...yeah sure
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 38 (view)
 
no idea of choice ?
Posted: 3/31/2008 11:25:14 PM
Only read OP's post but I suggest you read 'Et on tueras tous les affreux' by Boris Vian which translates to 'one day there shall be no ugly people left'. The final chapter is actually just that. Girls have to chose guys that are lined up.

At the end of the book there's only beautiful and perfect people left on the planet. Everyone's perfect but for a few guys. And those few 'uglies' left become the new beauty. Because they're different. They're unique.

It's an existantialist view of beauty and perfection expressed through a novel. I don't know if they have it in English though. Worth reading in any case.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 4 (view)
 
colored contact lens. Thoughts?
Posted: 3/31/2008 11:12:53 PM

Why put something in your eye if you don't have to?


Curiosity I think. I do have glasses though. I just never wear them.

If I ever do try some then if some look great I could answer 'because they look great', if not I don't know!
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 1 (view)
 
colored contact lens. Thoughts?
Posted: 3/31/2008 11:02:45 PM
What's your take on a guy who uses those?

Is it kind of not telling the truth or is it more like wearing a piece of clothing that'll make look better?

Okay, it's asking for more characters so why not ask which color might suit me best? Probably the one I already have but which comes second in your opinion? (I suck with photoshop lol)
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 10 (view)
 
Please explain ambitious and successful
Posted: 3/30/2008 11:04:25 PM
You sure could see it this way. I know getting rich takes a lot of work most of the time.

Do you think they mean wanting to be the world's best chess player? That's being ambitious right?

And successful is being the best at Final Fantasy?

It's pretty much all about money. Not all but almost.

It's a bit like saying '''I want a room with an electric outlet.''' And pretending that it's in no way because we want electricity. One could argue that they do want the outlet on its own but...In fact must people argue that as you can see.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 49 (view)
 
don't tell your lonely?
Posted: 3/30/2008 10:57:06 PM

It was a lot of work, and the Catch-22 is that depression makes it very difficult to get motivated to put the enormous amount of effort it takes into changing your outlook. Even though I, for the most part, have my depression beaten, I still have to work very hard to make sure it doesn't creep back.

Walk a mile before talking about people "whining" and "wallowing." There's already far too much of a stigma out there against people who have mental illness.


Nicely put.

And as you can see mental illnesses are given wrong diagnosis very often. Because even people who claim to have had depression get it all wrong. Being sad for a while is not a depression. Being happy one day and sad the next one is not being bipolar. Having social phobia is not 'not liking' to see people.

People think depression is some trivial thing you can easily deal with. Same goes for loneliness and every mental illness for that matter. But mental illnesses are way worse than physical ones in my opinion but anyway. And they have good reasons to think that because there are so many people you get told by their doctors they have a depression but that don't actually have one. So we have like 50% of people who think they've gone through depression. So it must be easy right? But it's more like 48% were sad and down. 2% had a real depression.

And as you can see people think that 'everyone will at some point be lonely'. Haha good one. Being single does not mean being lonely by the way. I think it's one of those things you can't understand if you've never lived it.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Please explain ambitious and successful
Posted: 3/30/2008 10:36:44 PM
Euphemism for I'm a gold digga.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 45 (view)
 
don't tell your lonely?
Posted: 3/30/2008 10:13:50 PM
If your problem is deeper than just being lonely and you have depression or some kind of social anxiety problem, that is somewhat different but it is still up to you to get the appropriate help and learn to deal with it rather than expect people to feel sorry for you.


1) Didn't say to feel sorry, just to respect and not insult.
2)Don't you think most people you wish they would not be alone but still are have some kind of problems?
3)You really think it's completely within your power?! That's funny. Sure it's a choice if being a choice for you is only about being possible.

What would you think if I told you....I CAN BECOME A PRO HOCKEY PLAYER IF I CHOSE TO. IT'S WITHIN MY POWER. I GOT LEGS AND ARMS.

You'd just go haha you're funny. Don't you realize you're short and slow. You'll never make it. I sure could become the one short hockey player, train for 20 years day and night and hope to maybe make it. But I wouldn't even if this would be my biggest dream and even if I'd put everything in achieving this.

Better? The little pathetic puke I am has problems understanding how you can be that unwilling to understand. You taught me a new insult and I'm glad. Thanks for letting me benefit from your immense knowledge and experience in having mature insult-based conversations.

So with that being said, I hope you will be lonely soon enough so you can prove all of us how easy it is to get out of it and how pathetic you have to be to be weak enough to get there in the first place.

One good reason lonely people stay lonely is that whenever they get out in the real world, people like you judge them and eye them in a way that let them know you think they're worthless losers. So they go back home because the world they saw was cruel and didn't want them. But it's too bad they didn't get to meet a mature and respectful person. They would have seen that the world's not that bad after all.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 64 (view)
 
bad dancing or none at all?
Posted: 3/30/2008 2:10:29 PM
It'd be great if things could work like that. But it won't ever. It's a battle that can only go one way.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 40 (view)
 
don't tell your lonely?
Posted: 3/30/2008 2:01:17 PM
To the idiot who compared loneliness to cancer, you're an idiot. And, if someone who had cancer was whining about it a lot, I might tell them to shut up. It might do them some good to stop wallowing.

Wow good thing I came back to read more. How about I compare it to a broken leg then? Would it suit your little brain better? Great maturity by the way. Read this and reconsider your brainless attack.

All I'm saying, because I think I need to explain it more explicitly to you especially, is that being lonely is not something the lonely person usually wanted. It happened because he couldn't fight it back. And he probably is suffering a lot. Therefore I just said instead of saying that they were pathetic morons who needed to stop whining I said that people should try to treat these people with respect and try to understand what it is they're going through. Understand the comparison now? I'm saying that just like people with cancer they should be treated with respect and not disdain because they are suffering. And they're not bad people for that so they don't deserve all that hatred I read about. Ask me if you don't understand. If I don't understand something I don't insult the 'creator' of that something. Either i try to understand or I let it be. Not saying you should date them for that reason of course. Just respect them. And I wrote that because the sweet lady who wrote before me said they should just stop being so wussy basically. But it's not a choice. It's as much a choice as the language you speak. You sure can change it and learn another one but it takes huge effort and a lot of time and after that you feel you're not really 'you'. So you just go back to how things were before.

Got it? Hope you read it and you learned a bit about respect along the way.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 39 (view)
 
don't tell your lonely?
Posted: 3/30/2008 1:53:49 PM
Didn't read everything but trust me solitude 'the real one' is NOT a choice. Having a night to yourself watching tv is a choice for sure. But being unable to talk to anyone and ending up seing nobody because you're afraid of people is not a choice. If one day one of you experiences what it is to be alone then maybe you'll understand.

Being alone 'physically', being alone in your house maybe is a choice.

But being alone, having no one to share your thoughts and feelings with, having no one you can count on is NOT a choice.

See mental illnesses are illnesses...
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 34 (view)
 
don't tell your lonely?
Posted: 3/29/2008 11:14:33 PM
How many friends are you supposed to have to not be lonely? I'm not talking about 'feeling' lonely as I know it depends a lot. But if someone told you he had 5 friends what would you think? 2? 10?

I'd really like to know. I don't have a lot of friends. I do have 2 very close friends and a handful of 'semi close' friends but no 'not close friends' whatsoever.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 10 (view)
 
Exploitation vs Manipulation???
Posted: 3/29/2008 11:01:56 PM

How about both people give to the other because they want to, derive more happiness from giving than receiving, and never expect anything in return?


That's because they 'derive happiness from giving'. Therefore giving is in no way more generous than not giving since they do it because they like it. See? Everything we do is for our own good. If it happens to go through helping others people thik you're great. But really it's just the same.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 32 (view)
 
don't tell your lonely?
Posted: 3/29/2008 10:55:20 PM
I bet you wouldn't tell someone with cancer to shut it up. Solitude is often pretty close to an illness if you ask me. So just try to stay respectful.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 257 (view)
 
Why do some guys write they want friends first?
Posted: 3/29/2008 3:00:31 PM
What's the opposite of bingo? I might want to use it.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 7 (view)
 
don't tell your lonely?
Posted: 3/28/2008 11:16:29 PM
The lonely one. But people tend to assume being lonely means being a loser...

But people are talking about 'feeling' lonely. What about 'being' lonely?
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 27 (view)
 
The French 4 (10.16cm) Question
Posted: 3/28/2008 2:45:04 PM
but its personal choice after all.


Not so much and that's the problem. There's nothing conscious in all that. You can witness your preferences but you won't ever be able to change them. The reptilian brain does all the thinking.

It's just too bad our brain software never got the update it needs so badly. Maybe it was true 20000 years ago that tall meant security but not anymore. Not at all. Not bad, not good. Girls still get that feeling and it's sad. Because it's not adapted at all to the world we live in. The only upgrade we got is to love people who have money...And that in a way means security way more than height.

It's close to pathetic that people have to feel small and weak to feel secure...no wonder there's so many violent relationships.

We should either be 'human' or just go with the 'reptilian brain flow'. One's possible not the other one. The way things are is we have decisions being made by the reptilian and we try to make sense of them in the world we live with our 'brain'. But problem is this reptilian dude still thinks we're living in caves and fighting mammoths. And we can't fight what it tells us so we have some huge issues arising all the time.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 250 (view)
 
Why do some guys write they want friends first?
Posted: 3/28/2008 2:22:25 PM
Wow. Where's the logic in that? So you must believe in creationism I guess. Things evolve and change. I'm sure you don't do the things you used to do when you were 5.

Do you still get your milk from your mom's breasts? Hope not. Relationships change and there's nothing wrong with that. People aren't meant to stick with to one role. Even machines can evolve and learn to interact differently with their surroundings.

Your friend can become your boss. Can still be your friend. Your neighbor can become your friend. Your sister can become your roomate. Your coworker can become your teamate. Your dentist can become your business partner.

Your friend can become your lover. Your lover can become your friend.

It's sad that a lot of people don't allow for that. People can adapt. But people's mental images and expectations usually don't. They're not 'one' thing. If you can't get the conception you have of them to change...just too bad. Everytime something changes you'll lose someone because they're just their to play this 'one' role...
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 98 (view)
 
how long can a man go without sex?
Posted: 3/28/2008 12:39:35 PM

Men fake relationships to have sex, woman fake sex to have relationships....


Change it to...Men fake relationships to have sex, woman fake sex to have relationships to have babies....

Doesn't mean we can't like it though.

And we have there one of the very very few underlying principles of humanity.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 22 (view)
 
The French 4 (10.16cm) Question
Posted: 3/28/2008 12:37:38 AM
No

I was 3 inches shorter...but in the end I think it ended after 5 yrs because of that. Yeah I do believe subconscious is where everything takes place.

I think it doesn't matter as long as both are confident and like who they are and weren't raised by walt disney's movies. But that's pretty rare. 99% of people were raised by those movies and most people have some confidence issues to deal with. And most of the time they chose to deal with it by finding someone who'll make them forget the problem for a while.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 10 (view)
 
Jean Reno. Good looking??
Posted: 3/27/2008 11:55:49 PM
Try Ginette Reno.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 89 (view)
 
how long can a man go without sex?
Posted: 3/27/2008 11:45:52 PM
How about if I asked you...how long can you go without sex without going crazy and/or angry etc? Is that any better?
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 79 (view)
 
how long can a man go without sex?
Posted: 3/27/2008 12:24:40 PM
Nicely put. Or they're into lying using cat poster philosophy to try to sound like 'they' are different from those 'regular pathetic pervs' who think about sex. What they do is to try to make alliances and then attack from within. That's lying but it seems to be the most efficient way...Every single guy thinks about sex.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 77 (view)
 
how long can a man go without sex?
Posted: 3/27/2008 10:33:42 AM
I would feel sorry for a kid who doesn't play any game whatsoever because he could get injured.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 72 (view)
 
how long can a man go without sex?
Posted: 3/26/2008 11:31:23 PM
Agreed.

In fact I think 'everything' we do is for sex one way or another. Even studying chemistry or heating up dinner krafts. Some choices are better than others though. Like buying a bmw or becoming a doctor. But the guy who chooses to become an astronomer does so because he thinks, knowing who and what he is, that that's the best way for him to get sex. And by thinking I mean subconsciously obviously unless you're an analytical freak like me.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 70 (view)
 
how long can a man go without sex?
Posted: 3/26/2008 10:52:15 PM
Did you guys hear about the 'surplus' of men in China? They'll have a 30M surplus and they fear a rebellion and violence that may arise from this. Tells you a lot about what it does to a man not to have sex.

Saying it won't kill you is just bs. Sure it won't. But in a way it kills you from the inside. You become someone else. You adapt and fight your inner buddy to fit inside the social boundaries.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 13 (view)
 
does being a deep thinker/artistic guy make a man less desireable?
Posted: 3/26/2008 10:28:26 PM
What if you're not into arts per se but just into 'thinking' and analysing things and thoughts? Anyone minds reading my profile and telling me what they think of it?!
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 2 (view)
 
remembering the good versus the bad
Posted: 3/23/2008 12:26:43 AM
I'm with you on that one. Knowing others don't want to hear anything about it is kind of bad news. I sure understand people not wanting to hear things like 'well we used to do it like this and she would make this sound...'. But I don't see any problem in talking about good times we had together. Not many people are with me on that one though so I have to make 5 years of my short life disappear from everything I say. Quite a task I tell you!
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 93 (view)
 
rejection...
Posted: 3/22/2008 11:39:11 PM
Avoid pity, avoid arrogance at all cost, avoid disappearing without making things clear,...Respect is the key.

Just being honest about it not clicking rather than making the guy feel he's not good enough for you. Confidence is really important and seeing it as a total failure may be hard to take. So just try to be kind (but not too much as this is more pity) and honest if he asks you to.

Just try to make it a good experience and not a failure. I mean if he asks what you thought of him just tell him...something like you look great and I really enjoyed the way you see things blablabla but I just don't think it could work out between us.

And one more thing...Do not use the 'I'm sure you'll find a nice girl' line!

I think there's a way to enjoy a night out even if you won't see each other again, don't you think? I'd like it that way! We had fun but that's it.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 52 (view)
 
Memorabilia of the dreaded ex
Posted: 3/21/2008 10:58:04 PM
hum...I think it's incredibly important to not format your memory every time you break up. It's good to know you are indeed able to be happy. Memories may help you believe in this.

I mean, if you try to forget bad times and others force you into forgetting good times...what's left?

It's so sad that most people think this is the way to go.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 170 (view)
 
What is Most Important in Life???
Posted: 3/21/2008 10:53:05 PM
Right. But all those things are done in for one single purpose. Better your chances of 'reproducing'. Everything we do is for that. Most obvious ones are probably money and power. If we work against that we go crazy. Everyone's got to find a way to be a good prospect seen from the eyes of our instinct. So the way to be happy as to be found along this path.

I'll call Darwin to see if we can't get the new upgrade for our brains so it is more suitable for the world we live in!
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 34 (view)
 
What is the big deal about meeting people in a bar/pub?????
Posted: 3/20/2008 2:16:16 AM
Introspection exercice:

Would you go in a gay bar with your friends???

If not, think about what the implications are.

Consciously you might think you go there for the darts, music, pool...and it's true to some extent. But the main reason people go there is to get laid, even if they know it won't happen it's still the reason they like it.

Hope can make you do great things. And believe in things you no aren't true.

Was it clear enough?
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 46 (view)
 
Why does a man get back with an ex-girlfriend?
Posted: 3/20/2008 2:07:04 AM
Great now I have a word to define all ' '.

Thanks!
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 190 (view)
 
Why do some guys write they want friends first?
Posted: 3/20/2008 2:04:27 AM

some guys want to move beyond the manuliputive flirts of well you figure it out, and fully dont expect to get laid that night either


Did you read my mind?

I hate lies,
therefore I don't lie,
therefore I suck at flirting,
therefore I'm not so fond of first dates,
therefore friends first is better for me,
therefore I write it on my profile,
therefore some people might think I'm lying,
therefore I write this to prove I'm not...

And I do also believe friends first is the way to go if you want to build a long lasting relationship. So friends first is partly out of incapacity to do well in first dates and because I believe in longterm
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 44 (view)
 
Why does a man get back with an ex-girlfriend?
Posted: 3/20/2008 1:52:40 AM
love maybe...or neediness...or easier...or mistakes made...or working on a reveange...comfort...etc..

if you chose subconsciously the first time it'll always remain true, if you chose with your brain then things might have changed and going back might not be that good.

My question now: Why do people see a problem in this? We are humans that have stories...If you put the stories back, your ex is just like anyone else. If she's great then great. But I understand that 99% of people find it impossible to separate what we do from what we are.
 justin_mtl
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 167 (view)
 
What is Most Important in Life???
Posted: 3/20/2008 1:39:33 AM
Survival and reproduction.

But again what you chose as the way to achieve that varies a lot. But everything you do will inevitably strive to achieve just that. I'd take live happy with the restrictions set by these 2 live-driving things. Happy in the Greek-philosophical way that is. So it can include anything. Just depends on how and why you do the thing.

That's just answer 165 but in put otherwise.

A talking-clothed mammal is what I (to be fair to the majority who won't agree) am.
 
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