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Forumologist

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Are there some men who really DON'T like women but need their sexual needs met? Posted: 11/23/2009 9:19:49 PM
Of course there are You can recognise them by how they imply they are like that because it's someone else fault - a womans obviously - not like they should look at who THEY attract or be mature enough to rise above it There are also women who feel the exact same way about men. People use each other Knowing that is just part of growing up Telling the difference between a user and someone who still can care and has enough of a conscience to try to be decent despite adversity is ...wisdom Good luck

Forumologist

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Panties Posted: 11/22/2009 5:45:58 PM
Oh I love the word PANTIES especially when my guy whispers the word as he's slowly taking them off This is the sex forum right? (phew)

Forumologist

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Trust issues Posted: 11/22/2009 5:30:50 PM
Sorry to hear about the drama puzzles Men can be such a pain can't then (oops sorry SOME men....oh ok, and some women...whatever) Anyway you know what you can do You can ditch him and move on to some other jerk and take on his drama Or get lucky with a cool guy (hey pigs might fly if you kick them in the ass hard enough) OR You could keep the jerk and see if he behaves (which he might - or maybe just for a while before starting up some more drama) but don't let him move in, just, ya know, use his body lol (if he's got one worth pawing - if not, dump him and don't read any more advice - you don't need it, this is a deal breaker lol) OR You could forget about him, be on your own, dye your hair platinum, fix it to a saucy side parting and go out and kick up your heels. Either way there is pleasure and pain and risk no matter what you do in life so go after what you want and see what happens but always always TRUST YOUR GUT. What's it telling you.....you know he can't be trusted right? Is he any good in bed? A good cook? Does he fix things around the house? Like......what is he good for....run errands for you.....does he even put his dishes in the dishwasher instead of the sink...change the toilet roll when it runs out EVEN????????????? You know what you need to do so....do it and don't look back

forumologist

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Love,Quality of life and who pays Posted: 11/22/2009 11:27:46 AM
Love, Quality of Life and Why Woman Need Men http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxneslmqAHI&feature=related And Why We Stay Single http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe0rvkQ597w

forumologist

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are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/22/2009 11:10:55 AM
Did shrubbie (love that name) play GOD when he was president? lol

forumologist

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Oh, its to soon to have sex... yah, blah, blah, blaw Posted: 11/22/2009 11:02:24 AM
Again sexual intercourse doesn't have to be the main event, there are other ways of having sex There may be women who would accept a guy not banging her brains out with his woody but I'm not one of them. I would not be satisified. I would rather masterbate. There's an energy that comes from a hard****building up to an orgasm that is not created with any other body part of dildo. I've experienced this (ED) with someone I otherwise really liked (who refused to try Viagra) but I just wanted the natural feeling of the old rumpy pumpy - the feeling you get wrapping your legs around him, rising up to meet him, the body heat, the feeling the next morning, like you can still feel him in you, like you've had your womb stirred. I don't want to be done with a dildo. It would drive me nuts. I don't want a guy in bed with me that can't also run 20 mins on the treadmill without dropping dead or whose body is not muscular and pretty much perfect from working out. I doubt there are many guys who want a woman who cannot be penetrated in any way. That would be satisfied with hand jobs. Maybe when I'm older, a lot older, maybe never.

forumologist

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are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/22/2009 10:40:29 AM
simply that men should have the same rights to abortion that women already have That's not simple. If a man didn't want me to abort I would not, if he agreed to raise the kid. That would kinda go against Roe vs Wade. I think it's terrible that men have no control over that BUT how is he going to have an abortion if he wants when he's not pregnant. Are you saying he should be able to force me to? I don't agree with that. Or are you saying that if he can't force me he should be able to absolve himself of CS. I don't agree with that either. I think abortion should be taken out of the equation because it's not available to everyone. It's not an option for everyone. I'm not aware of any other options. Please clarify.

forumologist

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Her Orgasm Posted: 11/22/2009 3:17:46 AM
Women who have orgasms are responsible for doing so without distracting the man from his pleasure. If she can have an orgasm in some way that he likes, fine, but otherwise she should try to be really quiet about it or just put it off until after he falls asleep. There are still plenty of old school types around eh? And this attitude is there in plenty of younger men too. It's all about you and our frustration is not your concern right? No wonder you are single.

forumologist

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Love,Quality of life and who pays Posted: 11/22/2009 2:16:26 AM
If Alpha means irritating, argumentative, safl agrandized, evasive and verbose, relying on looks alone with no character to back up the facade then..........oh heck I thought we were talking about who pays. No we were talking about HH. Oh heck, this thread is a strawman.

forumologist

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Msg: 1361 (view)

are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/21/2009 7:50:18 PM
but that is what you are asking us women to do ... to have respect for you. Well have your rights, walk away cause we are waving bye bye to you ... we have no respect for you. There's nothing left to say.

forumologist

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Msg: 549 (view)

I Don't Need A Man.., I very Independent..etc etc = RED Flags? Posted: 11/21/2009 4:03:46 PM
By your logic then, a battered wife deserved the beating. You know darn well that's not what I meant. BABE.IN.TOTAL.CONTROL.OF.HERSELF is a woman who does not allow men to control her - it's not someone who controls others selfishly at all It's a book and a topic of many discussions here so clue in would ya I never use the term bytch to describe a horrible woman such as the way you use it - such as the degrading way men wanted it to be used. Your definition and mine are diametrically opposed. Like I SAID - THERE's NO COMPARISON to a WIFEBEATER. Read. try to understand, don't misquote before you respond. Otherwise you are simply TROLLING which is against the rules and makes you look like an ass.

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Love,Quality of life and who pays Posted: 11/21/2009 3:42:19 PM
Well.......I think HH is a creepy old man who makes bucks out of exploiting sexuality, something that used to be considered sacred. (Is there an emoticon for sticking your fingers down your throat?)

forumologist

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are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/21/2009 3:16:57 PM
To me, this thread is looking more like a bigass case of SOME men's overgrown, overblown case of p*ssy/womb ENVY. BINGO - And she wins the prize for getting to the bottom line first ( no pun intented towards all the azzholes that want scott free sex) I once had a boyfriend who admitted to me that he deeply envied the fact that if a woman wants a kid she can just have one with any random dude BUT men have to have the full co-operation of a womans CONSENT. I have another friends who recently told me he desperately wants a child but can't find a woman to have one with. Womb envy and the deep resentment it stirs in men is very real. That's what some guys are really mad about. All this bs about reproductive equity is a smokescreen.

forumologist

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Msg: 1327 (view)

are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/21/2009 2:51:27 PM
Rick I have to say thank you for injecting some wit into this otherwise dreadful thread. As for verity - I think you are off your meds buddy He can become a father by accident (his or hers), by negligence (his or hers), by incompetence (his or hers). So negligent drivers who kill people should be RESPONSIBLE but negligent fockers should not. News flash verity Negligent and incompetent people are hauled into court and face CONSEQUENCES every day. Negligent fathers are hauled into court to pay and I say HURRAY!!!!!!!!!!!! We should just put them in stocks on Main Steet and throw rotten cabbage at them lol but the news showed a string of deadbeats being hauled off to jail last christmas day. That was effing PRICELESS. (I hope their kids weren't watching though - if they even recognise their daddies - oh how sad)

forumologist

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are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/21/2009 2:27:47 PM
cuddler and irish it's so sad there are so few of you

forumologist

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are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/21/2009 1:38:11 PM
THERE WOULD BE NO MOTHER AND CHILD IF THE WOMAN DID NOT MAKE THE CHOICE TO BE A MOTHER WITH A CHILD. verity - you never answered the question which was what do you want if not to walk away scott free....thereby imposing your WILL As for you bold caps - that's against the forum rules Anyway, there would be no mother and child if the man had a vasectomy or used contraception or abstained so...........what's your point. Answer the question. What do you want. You want her to have an abortion is what I'm gathering from your post above. Or use contraceptives? You too buddy. The only thing we can do that you can't do inthis instance is have an abortion so..........that's what you want isn't it. To make it all go away for you. Kill the child so you can afford more beer. Some of the men here feel that abortion rights for women is a viable premise for their right to walk away. If we don't think you should walk away, you think we should have an abortion. That's it in a nutshell. So biol it down to brass tacks. You want to kill or abandon your children. You have a right to your thoughts and desires. Just say it like it is and be prepared for peoples reactions of disgust. And don't ask me to scroll back and find all the guys who think they should have a say in abortion OR no cost of CS. Do your own work. I'm not your forum slave - geez.

forumologist

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I Don't Need A Man.., I very Independent..etc etc = RED Flags? Posted: 11/21/2009 1:08:24 PM
"A woman who is proud to be a bytch is like a man who is proud to beat his wife." - RSC I thought everyone knew b.i.t.c.h. was just a babe in total control of herself. I guess you missed that thread. What on earth could you object to about a woman controlling herself? Do you think you should be in control instead? Or maybe someone else? No, of course not. I'm not being sarcastic. I really don't think you personally want to but...........the man who beats his wife most certainly DOES. There's no comparison.

forumologist

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are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/21/2009 12:49:56 PM
But only women are allowed to OPT out of the consequences of an insemination (intentional or unintentional), and to force their will upon the man. So whats the solution. To have the man force his will on her. Refusing to pay CS is forcing your will on both the mother and the child. Is that right? Isn't that what the men are saying the are ENTITLED to?

forumologist

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Love,Quality of life and who pays Posted: 11/21/2009 12:35:33 PM
Having to put up with her incessant whining about "I do (this) and I do (that) ALL DAY!!" without sticking a foot up her ass = PRICELESS Getting an education so that I can earn enough to pay a cleaner, eat out, live in a nice house, wear nice clothes, drive a nice car, go out wherever I want whenever I want, be beholden to nobody rather than begging for scraps from a man who works half the hours I work because he expects me to work full time and be his domestic slave when I get home from work = PRICELESS Thanks mom - you taught me never to nag a man. Just make sure you can afford to leave if he's a selfish ass. Bye.

forumologist

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Love,Quality of life and who pays Posted: 11/21/2009 12:18:23 PM
If there was 100 males, and 100 females, stranded on a deserted island, with no hope of ever being rescued, I would be considered an Alpha. Most definitely. Fancy yourself don't you. If you are most definitely a leader, where are all you followers .

forumologist

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are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/21/2009 11:40:41 AM
but as clearly stated by your posts you will never forgive him or any other man. Tell me did you make him wear a condom or did he tell you it felt better without Um, I have long since forgiven him and I clearly stated that. We are best friends now even at a distance. I said that in an earlier post if you could be bothered to be HONEST enough to check your sources before you attack. You are just a panicked provocateur. I'm not angry at my ex. I know him inside and out. He has grown up finally. I have a beautiful child that has been the best thing that ever happened to me. He is angry at himself that he missed out on all of it and betrayed his daughter the same way his father betrayed him. That's what this thread is about. men abandoning hteir kids and claiming it's their right and no big deal. I shared my story because it certainly is a big deal. It certainly is. The best thing I ever got from any man is my daughter. Yes he wore a condom. He knew I was emigrating to Canada without him the very next day. He put his thumb down there and broke it with his nail around the rim and later admitted he wanted to get me pregnant because it might prevent him losing me but I was leaving becuase he'd changed from a regular guy into the beginnings of a drug user and I didn't want to be around it and he couldn't\wouldn't stop. What's your point other than to show everyone you are quick to make assumptions and you don't read peoples post before responding. Here we go with the strawman again. And you missed my post where I said it's natural and right that a man shoudl try to protect his unborn child. What the eff is your problem. Ar eyou just BITTER that I could save my child and you couldn't. Anyway, I have another man now that is on his way over so I have to go. You can trash me behind my back and twist my words and make assumptions because this is a public forum and I'm aware of that and accept that. Wwwwhatever lol. Oh I guess the fact that I have a serious relationship blows your theory about me being angry at every guy or maybe you WANT me to be angry so you can bash me for it. That's obvious. Talk about deflection. I think it vexes you that someone can rise above adversity and still feel good and live well whereas you cannot accomplish that. That's your problem. Or is it that you have had two abortions and claim they were done against your will and now you want someone to be just as effed up as you and you look for women to bash because you feel so powerless. And both times I was willing to step up So, two women preferred to have their child aborted than raise it with you. What does that say about YOU. You want to point fingers at me. Can you take it being pointed back at you? If this is true Id say that's the source of your anger. Get YOURSELF to a therapist. I'm fine thanks and so is my child. Frankly at this point they can ban me because that was a personal attack and I intended it to be asshole. Maybe the women rejected you for the same reason I am attacking you now. Ever thought about it like that? BUT BACK TO VASECTOMY REVERSAL (sigh) As for doctors telling people vasectomies are not reversible, that's just to avoid a lawsuit doncha know. It's to cover their butts in case it isn't reversible. It's easily reversible. It's just an effing tube to reconnect, not open heart surgery (which cuts and reconnects tubes succesfully all the time and far more complex procedures than that.

forumologist

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Msg: 153 (view)

What is the best way to handle it if a date passes gas? Posted: 11/21/2009 11:19:31 AM
It's the worst when you are trapped in a car and someone stinks it up. I can't stand the tension of pretending not to notice (feking funny) although that is how I was raised and if it happened at work that is what I would and have done. However, if it happens socially I'd just look them dead in the eye and burst out laughing to relieve the tension - open a window - light a candle and laugh my head off and hope they laugh too. I want to be around people who can laugh at themselves. If it was me who farted I would laugh my socks off and run out the room in hysterics but then that's my childish streak and I am not ashamed of it.

forumologist

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Married woman becoming pregnant as the result of rape - does husband stay or leave Posted: 11/21/2009 11:08:02 AM
I agree with rock_hunter: everything isn't about her. There are two people in a relationship. Actually in this instance there are THREE people. The woman is making this about the childs right to LIVE otherwise she would have had an abortion .....whereas you and RH want your rights and feelings to be more important than the childs ability to be alive. It is a horrible situation for sure and if that's what you still think is fair then stick to it. If you are going to make a choice at least be honest about what you are choosing to support.

forumologist

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are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/21/2009 10:36:21 AM
Serves him right These words would indicate otherwise. It does serve him right. That is justice and it can be painful. I don't decide what is just. I can respect justice, and recognise what is fair, but I still don't like people to suffer if it serves no purpose. That would be vindictive. I don't want either of them to suffer any more but he is. He caused it. Not me. I did my part. More than.

forumologist

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are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/21/2009 10:28:41 AM
Now her father desperately wants forgiveness and her compay and she just can't be bothered with him. Serves him right but it's still sad. She has no feeling for him whatsoever whereas she would risk her life for me. Well, there ya go. You got your vindication and you didn't even have to accept a red penny to get it! He never offered a red penny. He spent it all on drugs and party women. I was never looking for vindication. I was looking for her to be healed. I've offered to fly her out there. I've offered to fly him out here. She want's no part of either option. She has moved on so she says. She has a man in her life who loves her now and she doesn't need a daddy any more. It's too late and I respect her viewpoint but it still saddens me. Actually it was me who called England five years ago and found her father and tried desperately to have her take him up on his very strong desire to have a relationship (now that's he's recovered from his drugs and womanizing addictions.) He and I are friends now. I've known him since my teens. People do stupid shit. His father also abandoned him - ironically. He knows the pain. I have forgiven him. I wish she could too but that day has not come yet because she SUFFERED more than either of us combined. She survived the hurt of being abandoned by deadening her feelings. Now she can't bring them back to life. I hope one day she does.

forumologist

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I Don't Need A Man.., I very Independent..etc etc = RED Flags? Posted: 11/21/2009 10:20:16 AM
LOL I had to go read my profile to see what I'd written. Thank God I didn't say I am independent. I think I only implied that I'm a b*tch. ha ha - cute it's a natural progression to not have to take shit when you can pay your own mortgage If that's what a B.I.T.C.H is then so be it.

forumologist

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are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/21/2009 10:06:47 AM
But don't forget, the consequence is always the greatest to the child when adults are most interested in themselves. And women who make the decision to abort are most interested in whom?.... I said ADULTS - that means men and women. Don't twist my words. What about the men who keep assuming that because abortion exists, it's somehow a viable option for ALL women Changing the topic again. That's exactly what this is about. It couldn't be more on topic. It NEVER had to get to that stage. Correct.Not if you wore a condom or had a vasectomy or abstained. That is your REPORDUCTIVE RIGHT TO CONTROL. All the men who can abandon their children with NO GUILTY CONSCIENCE raise your hands. Why aren't you asking women to raise their hands as well? Becuase a woman did not start this thread demanding that she can walk away. A MAN DID duh. Oh and that would explain the millions of men who walk away from kids they fathered in a committed relationship. Off topic. Women do that as well. So your point is moot. That's exactly what this is about. Men not wanting to take responsibility. It's not moot otherwise we would have not thread to start with. Are men playing the DEVIL when they abandon their children or pressure women into abortion. Just had to throw that in for laughs lol. The laugh is on you, as women are playing both. You're obviously one of those people who thinks two wrongs make a right. Women can giveth, and taketh life away. The laugh isn't on me. I have not had an abortion. I raised my unplanned child into a beautiful adult and paid every penny for her. Now her father desperately wants forgiveness and her compay and she just can't be bothered with him. Serves him right but it's still sad. She has no feeling for him whatsoever whereas she would risk her life for me. Men want abortions. When you aid and abet someone to commit murder you are just as guilty. Men also perform many if not most abortions. Everyone is responsible. This thread was started because a MAN said he didn't want to be responsible. It's not about if women have abortions or about women's rights to walk away. You are being a hypocrite saying I am creating a strawman. It is you that creates the strawmen here all too often. Let me remind you what it means. "ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented blah blah" That's you. Always avoid answering the question and turn it back on the originator. That's all I ever see you do. Argue. You rarely actually make a well thought out point at all. You just counter attack rather than sticking to the point. That's the point, in fact. That's why I said men are playing the DEVIL was for LAUGHS. It's no way to debate. Like I said. Eyes wide SHUT.

forumologist

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are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/21/2009 10:06:01 AM
But don't forget, the consequence is always the greatest to the child when adults are most interested in themselves. And women who make the decision to abort are most interested in whom?.... I said ADULTS - that means men and women. Don't twist my words. What about the men who keep assuming that because abortion exists, it's somehow a viable option for ALL women Changing the topic again. That's exactly what this is about. It couldn't be more on topic. It NEVER had to get to that stage. Correct.Not if you wore a condom or had a vasectomy or abstained. That is your REPORDUCTIVE RIGHT TO CONTROL. All the men who can abandon their children with NO GUILTY CONSCIENCE raise your hands. Why aren't you asking women to raise their hands as well? Becuase a woman did not start this thread demanding that she can walk away. A MAN DID duh. Oh and that would explain the millions of men who walk away from kids they fathered in a committed relationship. Off topic. Women do that as well. So your point is moot. That's exactly what this is about. Men not wanting to take responsibility. It's not moot otherwise we would have not thread to start with. Are men playing the DEVIL when they abandon their children or pressure women into abortion. Just had to throw that in for laughs lol. The laugh is on you, as women are playing both. You're obviously one of those people who thinks two wrongs make a right. Women can giveth, and taketh life away. Oh and it was an immaculate conception. Men had nothing to do with it. lol. The laugh isn't on me. I have not had an abortion. I raised my unplanned child into a beautiful adult and paid every penny for her. Now her father desperately wants forgiveness and her compay and she just can't be bothered with him. Serves him right but it's still sad. She has no feeling for him whatsoever whereas she would risk her life for me. Men want abortions. When you aid and abet someone to commit murder you are just as guilty. Men also perform many if not most abortions. Everyone is responsible. This thread was started because a MAN said he didn't want to be responsible. It's not about if women have abortions or about women's rights to walk away. You are being a hypocrite saying I am creating a strawman. It is you that creates the strawmen here all too often. Let me remind you what it means. "ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented blah blah" That's you. Always avoid answering the question and turn it back on the originator. That's all I ever see you do. Argue. You rarely actually make a well thought out point at all. You just counter attack rather than sticking to the point. That's the point, in fact. That's why I said men are playing the DEVIL was for LAUGHS. It's no way to debate. Like I said. Eyes wide SHUT.

forumologist

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are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/21/2009 9:32:06 AM
Please quit irresponsibly and inaccurately repeating this. Vasectomies should NOT be viewed as being reversible, but as permanent. It is both difficult and expensive to try and reverse one, and even with all the wonders of modern medicine they turn out to be reversible only 50% of the time. Bullshit fallacy. Some of the best success rates reported in the literature for vasovasotomy are a patency rate of 99% .......... This means that in the hands of the surgeon who quoted these rates, he was able to restore sperm flow in the vas tube 99% of the time, http://www.vasectomymedical.com/vasectomy-reversal-success-rates.html On another topic - the following post is one of the most moving ones I've ever read and if it doesn't strike a cord you are dead inside. Here's an excerpt... Now cheer up and quit your snivelling and start acting like a real man and console yourself with the fact that at least you're not just a HOLE like your little sister.....now go play will ya? That about sums up the attitide of a HELL of a lot of men on here and they are not in the least bit ashamed of it. This is what kids see men doing every day and you wonder why society is less and less than impressed by men these days. It's a pimps and ho's society. Who made it that way. Who wanted it that way. Sport fucking. You can watch it on TV. Now press that remote. You invented everything didn't ya so you should be allowed to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CONSEQUENCES. Whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhatever. Again, you need to get your facts straight. Approximately half a million vasectomies are performed in the United States each year, and have been going back at least about twenty years It's very telling that this has only been happening for about as long as CS has been in effect considering any farm boy knows how to snip those tubes with his pocket knife. Why were'nt they ELECTING to have vasectomies BEFORE. For that matter WHY DOESN"T EVERY GUY WHO ALREADY HAS A COUPLE OF KIDS GET ONE. Because...........drum roll...........he'd rather let the woman take all the risk lol. You know it's true.

forumologist

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are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/21/2009 9:20:54 AM
are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Are men playing the DEVIL when they abandon their children or pressure women into abortion. Just had to throw that in for laughs lol. Eyes wide SHUT.

forumologist

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are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/21/2009 9:06:38 AM
maybe it's time we try to bring less kids into that mix and I am sorry but women have a lot more power to make that happen than men. Actually, a vasectomy is far safer than the pill biologically, quicker, more reliable in preventing pregnancy. It's the best and least invasive option for everyone, mother, father and child. It's done in minutes and that's the end of it. It's reversible. It does not require daily ingestion of chemical such as the pill - which is dangerous. Those are synthetic hormones. Once completed and tested it is ABSOLUTELY reliable. If men are so emphatically against supporting accidental pregnancies - line up for a vasectomy. What's your problem. Don't you want CONTROL over your reprodictive RIGHTS. I honestly think a lot of men don't care at all about their reproductive rights. They have the right to a vasectomy but don't EXERCISE that right even though it's almost zero risk and completely reliable. They care about not having RESPONSIBILITY. That's why they are not doing it en mass.

forumologist

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are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/21/2009 8:52:19 AM
you need to stop watching anti - abortion propaganda films on youtube Scraping, sucking, chemically inducing. What difference does it make. It's still removing the child from your life support. You are quibbling. I am not anti abortion. I have accompanied someone to have an abortion. It was a terrible choice she had to make and I hope she did the right thing but it wasn't my choice. Each circumstance is different but the actual act is the same no matter what the method. It's death for the child. I have always been undecided about other peoples RIGHT to abortion but never undecided about the impact of it on the child. That would be extreme denial and I;m not into that. I don't need anti abortionists to tell me anything.. I know when a life ends. I'm not lying to myself. what's right for the child when that wouldn't even be an issue (no child) if women were more responsible for their bodies in the first place That's nice but this thread is about MEN not wanting to be responsible. That's the premise.

forumologist

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Msg: 1257 (view)

are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/21/2009 8:28:45 AM
“The main reason that condoms sometimes fail is incorrect or inconsistent use, not the failure of the condom itself” This isn't a quote from any of my postings. As far as having no effect, it prompted you to respond so obviously it touched a nerve. A one liner would suffice though. And yet again we men are seen as evil because I'm entitled to think or say people are evil when they abandon their children So what. All the men who can abandon their children with NO GUILTY CONSCIENCE raise your hands. As far as saying women are evil too, so what. Does that aboslve you in any way. And yet again nothing is said about those who choose to abort Actually I said in an earlier post that I think taking your child off life support (scraping it out of your womb) is murder. I have a child because of my belief. I have no regrets. He just not that into You We know that. He's Just Not That Into His Kid should also be the title of a movie. Why not. It's true too isn't it. This thread proves it. I have been through the abortion scenario twice. Lucky you. In an earlier post I said I would like Roe vs Wade overruled. It was a MAN trying to assert his right to protect the life of his child. What could be more natural and right. To bad more men don't do that. there is a vast difference between a man who is just getting laid to one that is in a committed relationship as far as kids are concerned Oh and that would explain the millions of men who walk away from kids they fathered in a committed relationship. Are you implying that doesn't happen. I assure you it does. When the going gets tough a lot of people walk away no matter how enthusiastic they were at the outset.

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Msg: 75 (view)

How can you prove soul exists after death? Posted: 11/21/2009 8:07:13 AM
http://www.nderf.org/ Make your own mind up. You are not beholden to anyone elses opinions. There are hundreds of thousands of documented cases of NDE\s where peoples eyes were shut and they were brain dead for a lot longer than 7 minutes.

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Msg: 104 (view)

Men and self esteem Posted: 11/21/2009 7:39:31 AM
it's not something you're born with, Actually I think almost everyone except psychopaths are born with a conscience. It's what we learn later from our families and society that screws it up. And our own choices. The more you ignore your conscience the quieter it gets.

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Msg: 1251 (view)

are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/21/2009 7:35:52 AM
Of course the consequences are greater to mothers than fathers But don't forget, the consequence is always the greatest to the child when adults are most interested in themselves.

forumologist

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Msg: 7 (view)

Realizing ALOT! Posted: 11/21/2009 7:20:38 AM
Whenever you truly compromise your values to meet someone elses demands you lose. I think that's what you are saying. A good relationship with a person of conscience would not do this to you. They wouldn't want something from you if you had to dirty your conscience to give it to them. The problem is, there are not enough people of conscience who don't want to steal candy from each other. Look at all the ways men are taught to steal from women. How to pretend to care and be interrested when all you want is to rub yourself off on her. How to have sex without a condom and not pay for the kids you make. How to get away with whatever you want with no consequences. When people stop ADMIRING and ASPIRING to these goals there will be more happy relationships. Until then, tread carefully and look out for wolves in sheeps clothing. Be willing to go without a relationship if it's going to steal your soul.

forumologist

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Msg: 101 (view)

Men and self esteem Posted: 11/21/2009 7:09:58 AM
Nobody can GIVE you self esteem. You build self esteem by living up to your OWN highest ideals. When you do something you know is wrong you build up shame and distance from your inner self. There's no shortcut. Self esteem is not built or destroyed by outside images of the physical. Knowing you have a clean conscience is the ONLY way to high self esteem IMO and nobody can give that or take that way. That's the beauty of free will.

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Msg: 1249 (view)

are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/21/2009 6:50:22 AM
In my mind, a lot of men have simply asked/hoped for a little empathy for their plight in the quagmire of a pregnancy, wanted or not. Where is a mans empathy when his own kid has holes in their shoes and a coat they have grown out of. Where is a mans empathy on fathers day when his child is ashamed bc they have no father to tell of in school Where is the mans empathy when his child aches inside seeing another child on their fathers shoulders at the park Where is the mans empathy knowing his child feels deprived, abandoned, unwanted, dismissed by his\her OWN FATHER - do you understand the wound that leaves. Where is a mans empathy then............................. NOWHERE. A man who can abandon his child FOR ANY REASON is subhuman. Lacking empathy, conscience and soul. You want to everyone to have empathy for YOU while you fight for your so called right to have NO EMPATHY FOR YOUR CHILD. WOW. Could I scream WOW any louder. What profiteth a man if he gains the world (avoids CS) and forefits his soul. This is what men are proposing. Forefeiting their soul IMO. Life is a test. They failed. Any you want to demand this as a RIGHT????????? Yes we have free will but there are consequences ya know. Wow. Just wow. The forums have given me a very low opinion of a lot of men and there are not enough of the so called "good guys" to counter that view. I wish I didn't know just how souless so many men are but I do and it can't be taken back now. I used to have a much higher opinion of men but my eyes are wide open and I am disgusted at what I see. When men say women are bitter and jaded I say.........and how do you think we got that way. Not by you being good men. What's really amazing is watching some men demand for their rights to supercede their childs and they obviously have absolutely NO SHAME. It's scary. It's creepy. It's revolting. If men are confused these days, if men have self esteem issues, it's because so many of you are a disgrace to your gender. Your brotherhood is an EMBARASSMENT. When people sacrifice their children to make life easier for themselves IMO they have lost their way. Seriously, they are a spiritual vacuum. And you have the NERVE to say we have a sense of ENTITLEMENT. Try looking in the mirror. Do you see yourselves at all? Nice try but you snookered yourselves onthis thread.

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Msg: 112 (view)

Would a Woman date a Man if she had a higher salary than him? Posted: 11/20/2009 9:05:58 PM
However, many women seem uncomfortable taking on the responsibility of the primary earner because it takes away from spending time with the children. In marriage, it seems that the traditional salary stigmas are still strong - that men should work and that women want to stay home to raise the children. It doesn't say that anywhere in the article. You are skewing the facts. Actually it said 65 percent of women are comfortable earning more which would make them the primary breadwinner. It also said ... "“The fact that women are working and women are breadwinners is something that both men and women are accepting,”" In only one sentence did ONE woman say it was hearwrenching to not be there for her kids. If you had kids you'd understand. This is not about women wanting more choice than men but this is yet another whiney, self pitying dig at women. This is not an article where women are complaining at all ......although they should be. It also stated that although 50% of the workforce are women they still only earn 77 cents on the dollar. In the white collar field, employers will lay off a man over a woman to save costs because men are more expensive for the same job.

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Msg: 96 (view)

The other side of WTF was he thinking? Posted: 11/20/2009 8:45:01 PM
Don't get me wrong, had SHE sent the right signals, sure. . . I'd have had her in the sack poste haste! According to you she did give you signals. YOU said she said you were very handsome and you smelled good. What did you want her to do, grab your crotch? You could have leaned in for a goodnight kiss. I think you are steaming mad at being rejected. I doubt very much you could get someone half our age. Your pictures show a balding older guy who probably never was handsome even in his youth (sorry to be blunt but honestly that's what I see) so quit your pity thread ranting on about older women who don't want you (that's the real truth isn't it) and have some dignity - go lick your wounds in private.

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Msg: 38 (view)

Finding Out How Interested He Is...And Why Posted: 11/20/2009 7:52:11 PM
have no blinkin' idea how @#$% devious guys can be Not to worry. Thanks to POF forums, word is getting out.

forumologist

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Msg: 34 (view)

Finding Out How Interested He Is...And Why Posted: 11/20/2009 7:39:52 PM
So I read once again that some men think all they need to do is dismiss women as being crazy AND we are not logical thinkers (which is a roundabout way of calling us crazy and or stupid). Nice. Way to go starting a war. But you do excell at that don't you. Look around at the world if you don't believe me. Hmmmmmmm. I'm hearing this "wpmen are illogical" insult constantly like it's a fact - which it's not. And men are not simple. That's an insult too and it's used to PRETEND you don't understand when you are WRONG. It's a ruse. It's becoming the mantra of the brotherhood. It allows men to ignore and dismiss us when we compain about their boorish, duplicitous behaviour used to cheat us into thinking we have a relationship going on when all we have is a score in the bedroom for the guy. Hmmmmmmmmmm. High five boys. You must be so proud of duping a women into letting you stick one to her. What a man. And where do men think this tactic will get them? This is the foolish tactic of the perpetually aggressive fool who cuts his nose off to spite his face because his habit of solving problems with aggression is...not the smartest but surely the easiest for those who are ruled by testosterone instead of their conscience and grey matter. So where does it get a guy when all he does is lob grenades at women? Women are treating men more and more badly, divorcing them, deriding them or deciding to remain single, using men casually for sex (which men don't like - they only like it when they are using a woman who wants them) and generally adding to the resentment and contempt, creating even more distance and unhappiness, since we are naturally drawn and dependent on each other to some degree. Nice plan but that would be consistent with how men have run the planet. Make a problem, blame the victim, then bomb them (insult them) when they complain. Then say relationships are a war ravaged wasteland and it's the feminists (womens) fault. Wwwwwwhatever guys. You know what, more and more women will just give up and not care. Sales in b.o.b.s will continue to sky rocket and now that we can afford our own houses.......so what. If we need you for the night, lets face it, you're easy, so that's not much of a challenge to get anyway. Of course, you could play nice, be reasonable, problem solve, understand and engage in teamwork with your fellow female citizens but that would contradict the brotherhood mantra of "** the **es, never give in, we are superior and they will never be equal to us" and of course being civilised and mature would EMASCUALTE you because men are stupid, simplistic brutes that just want sex and a sandwich right? You said it earlier in this thread so don't jump on me now. Of course I'm talking high level generalisations here but that's definitely the pattern\movement among men that is afoot. Like on the TShirt some nit wit was wearing that said Bro's before Ho's. If that's your attitude, go marry and fuck your bro's because we won't want you. Got the message yet with all the divorces women initiate? Nope? Then maybe you ARE stupid as you say but I think overall..........this attitude is just sad and self defeating. If men continue to be disinterested in womens feelings and desires they can't expect women to be interested in theirs now can they. Society is showing this trend quite clearly.

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Msg: 1196 (view)

are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/20/2009 5:54:44 PM
So which is the LEAST unfair option? That's what it comes down to. And obviously men and women are going to disagree. Which option takes the best interests of the child into consideration? Which option is best for society as a whole? Excellent summary. There is no equality because biology isn't fair. Pregnancy is not shared equally. The decision of the LEAST UNFAIR OPTION has already been made by the courts. Men and women pay for their accidental kids. It won't change so this argument for a MORE UNFAIR decision to leave mothers and kids to live in poverty by the DEADBEATS is moot.

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Msg: 1131 (view)

are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/20/2009 6:48:43 AM
You and so may others just keep skirting around the fact any woman regardless of circumstance can opt out of any pregnancy. The flaw in your argument is that you assume all women can have an abortion. Many believe that is murder and not an option. THe strongest instinct in the world is the insitinct of a mother to preserve the welfare of their childs life. That instinct starts the moment you know you are pregnant. I'm not saying every single woman has the same instinct but generally mothers will kill, starve and suffer anything in nature for their child to survive. An abortion overrides that instinct and not everyone can do it. Men should know that but becuase you don't have the hormones and feelings of being pregnant you dismiss it. That's the problem. A woman can abort legally but not necessarily morally or psychologically or emotionally. It goes against nature and people deepest beliefs. I am one of those women and thank god I did not abort. I now have a 21 year old daughter I raised entirely on my own. Her father paid nothing. Now though he's begging for a relationship and she wants nothing to do with him. His loss. She and I are over it. He never will be. Men really screw themselves when they screw over their children. Abortion is a huge burden on peoples conscience that can make you feel tainted for the rest of your life. You are way too casual about it but then it's not you doing it is it so it doesn't factor in for you does it. How callous. How selfish. How ignorant and blind. I am glad this thread has laasted so long. I think it's important for women to really see just how selfish, casual and dismissive so many men are about things they don't have to experience - like supporting life. I suggest any man who plans to walk away from his kids or wishes to have it aborted by pressuring the mother should have a vasectomy to do his part to ensure there are no unwanted children. It's a lot easier than being aborted or abandoned and it's a small thing to do in comparison than the price you expect the mother and child to pay for the consequences of having sex.

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Msg: 917 (view)

are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/19/2009 4:49:08 AM
The whole message the whole time was that men should have the same right to absolve parental responsibility that women do. Why should men have the same rights when they don't have the same responsibility. Last I checked men don't get pregnant and they don't have their child scraped out of their body if they can't raise them. Do you think pregnancy and childbirth or abortion or giving your child up for adoption that came out of your own body carries no physical, emotional, psychological or social cost (not to mention financial). Do men really think all that woemn go through once they are pregnant is so easy and therefore irrelevant. Do menr eally think they have a right to equal options when they don't have equal costs??????????? Yes, apparently they do. If you want to use your right to equality as the foundation for yoru argument you are snookering yourselves from the get go. Biologically - THERE IS NO EQUALITY. I think you have womb envy. If someone invented a womb that could be implanted in men (which they probably will soon enough), men would take full advantage, have babies out of wedlock and demand child support if possible, deny access to the child and spend child support on beer and pay per view porn and you know it - no question about it.

forumologist

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Msg: 915 (view)

are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/19/2009 4:20:39 AM
I suspect that removing the ability for women to force men to pay child support would improve the economy. Yes it would improve the economy for MEN. That's exactly the way it alwys was until very recently. Women and kids lived in poverty while irresponsible fathers lived comfortably. The bad old days are never coming back. Wear a condom or keep it in your pants. Take responsibility. You are not ENTITLED to be irresponsible with other peoples lives just so you can have skinless sex. That's the way it is and it's not going to change nor should it. The intent of recreational sex is to have recreational sex and nothing more. There's no such thing as purely recreational sex. That's a fallacy and it is the stubborn inisitence of this fallacy that causes all the problems. Unless you are infertile, sex is just a game of Russian roulette but you don't want to pay the potential price. You just want the laughs. That's the problem. If men got pregnant, this thread would be entirely different wouldn't it.

forumologist

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Msg: 914 (view)

are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/19/2009 4:17:00 AM
sense of entitlement and it seems men are the only ones that realize they are gone Correct. Men are not ENTITLED anymore. Face it, that's what this is all about. You are not entitled to do what you want with no responsibility for the outcome anymore. Those days are over and they are never coming back.

forumologist

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Msg: 676 (view)

are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/16/2009 8:27:48 PM
ews flash, women have these choices to and yet, they still get CHOICES during pregnancy that men don't. Meaning, women have the same choices that men do (before pregnancy) PLUS other choices that men don't (during pregnancy). So tell me, what is your argument? Babies use us to grow inside US for nine months - not you. You don't deserve all the choices we have because you can't earn the right. You don't get pregnant. Just be grateful and stop asking for more when you clearly already have the much easier route.

forumologist

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Msg: 673 (view)

are women playing GOD when they become pregnant Posted: 11/16/2009 8:24:31 PM
Women having choices while men having none = discrimination Men having sex with no pregnancy while women get preganant is ...........................................................................DISCRIMINATION. See how ridiculous that sounds? It's mother nature you are mad at and you are wasting your breath. She already let you off easy so quit yer whining before she gives you a spankin.

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