Except for the British SAS special forces their collective militaries couldn't defend a 7-11 store from a LA street gang.

Conservatives: did you or did you all not blindly and blithely support Bush, a President whose stated policy was never to admit a mistake and never to change direction regardless of the outcome for the People?

On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England , killed one burglar and wounded a second. In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term.

Anyone know about a bike called a Vincent? In the early '50's it was probably the fastest thing on two wheels. I saw a picture of Jay Leno's Black Shadow, and nothing looks cooler. Of course, you could probably get a nice house for less money. I can still ride one in my dreams, though--I'd keep it in the garage next to my imaginary 426 Hemi Cuda.

So what, specifically, would you slash from government costs? Do you just ignore infrastructure? Cut taxes to the bone for the rich and corporations and hope there will be some kind of "trickle-down"? Cut all of those nasty social programs that try to minimize the plight of the poor? the immigrant? the less-mentally-capable segment of our population?

But neither you nor any other citizen of this country NEEDS automatic weapons. If you feel some doubt about this, talk to the families of the 9 U.S. police officers gunned down by automatic weapons in the hands of the lunatic fringe in this last month

Let's enhance our state's revenue and cut costs by making the fines for employing illegal aliens substantial enough to be a real deterrent. That's the only way to effectively reduce demand for their labor and ensure that the state recovers at least some of the costs for the services those workers consume. We obviously aren't going to get much from the workers themselves.

Apparently a 15 year old kid was seen Sunday night with what looked like a gun.... was told to drop it by officers............ the boy then pointed the toy plastic gun at the officer . Cop shot him. The boy, rushed to the hospital survived a direct hit to the torso. This officer will not be charged with anything and (if) this happened to a homeowner inside his own home being confronted by the same teen the same would apply to the homeowner.....

Did ya shoot 'em up today Limey? Was there talk there about the amendment?

That would be Barstow, razor. Close though.

My Question to the Atheists:Can You suggest some
BEAUTIFUL music similar to HANDEL'S MESSIAH
or SCHUBERT'S (OR GOUNOD'S) AVE MARIA!

To me, the 2nd amendment is a joke of an arguement for gun rights, because all of the arguements involve outdated guns.(the original guns that had bayonettes attached to them)

If it's in your safe when you're not out hunting with it or shooting it at the range, no worries. You can do better than to pick petty nits. Can't you?

Sure, I don't think bad guys should have guns... especially automatics... But banning anything only keeps it out of the hands of law abiding people. Bad guys will find a way to get them.

Please. Let's not be disingenuous. A gun in the house ain't there for jackrabbits or skeet, and you know it.

If someone uses a gun in a criminal act, put them away, if someone does anything illegal with a gun, put them away. These same people cry wolf to Senators like Diane Feinstein, that **** is against guns, but has a weapons carry permit for San Francisco, something an ordinary citizen can't get, go figure!

But tell me, what is the primary purpose of a gun in the house if not to put down bad guys?

You can read the info and see the DoD letter to Georgia Arms here:
The Shootist Site:
http://www.theshootist.net
FYI FOLKS
This came from GA-VHPA group. (Georgia Vietnam Helicopter Pilots Association)
Save your brass! It has begun!

Barack 0bama is on track to eliminate shooting hobbies, even if it breaks the Country. To all of you who voted for him........sooner or later he'll get around to something that affects YOU.

This is breaking news....

Georgia Arms is the 5th largest retailer of .223 Ammo in America . (they sell 9 mm, 45, etc) They normally buy spent brass from the US Dept of Defense - 'one time used' shell casings by our Military - from training on Military bases, etc. They buy the brass And then re-load for resale to Law Enforcement, Gun Shops, Gun Clubs, etc. They normally buy 30,000 lbs of spent brass at a time.

This week the DoD wrote a letter to the owner of Georgia Arms and said that from now on the DoD will be destroying the brass - shredding it. It is no longer available to the Ammo makers - unless they just buy it in a scrap condition (which they have no use for). By The Way - The brass is NOW going to be sold by the DoD to China as scrap - for less money than Ammo manufacturers have been paying for the shells before processing to destroy. That sure helps the US economy now, doesn't it? Sell cheaper to China - and do not sell shells at all to a proven US business. Any agenda working here?

The Georgia Arms owner even related a story that one of his competitors had already purchased a load of brass last week - and the DoD contacted him this week and said they were sending someone over to make sure it was destroyed. Shell Casings he had already bought! THE BRASS HAS NO VALUE TO THE AMMO MAKER IF IT IS DESTROYED/SHREDDED/MELTED. HE ONLY USES IT TO RELOAD DIFFERENT CALIBERS - MAINLY 223 BULLETS.

Georgia Arms owner says that he will have to lay off at least Half of his 60 workers, within 2 - 3 months if the DoD no longer sells their spent brass to him. He has 2 - 3 months inventory of shells to use. By summer - he's out.

One thing I must say about this thread: the quality of discourse here is so much more insightful and respectful than in the general threads on this topic that I feel quite proud and pleased to be a Californian at the moment.

The main problem we have with guns in our society these days is ignorance.Kids,even college "kids",can be suspended or expelled for even mentioning the word "gun" at school.People have so little knowledge about guns that they think just talking about them is dangerous,and the mere sight of a gun sends shivers down their spine.This is why I have always believed that we needs to teach gun saftey to kids in school.Have a class where kids learn gun saftey.

GOULD, Circuit Judge, concurring:
I concur in Judge O’Scannlain’s opinion but write to elaborate my view of the policies underlying the selective incorporation decision. First, as Judge O’Scannlain has aptly explained, the rights secured by the Second Amendment are “deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition,” and “necessary to the Anglo-American regime of ordered liberty.”
The salient policies underlying the protection of the right to bear arms are of inestimable importance. The right to bear arms is a bulwark against external invasion. We should not be overconfident that oceans on our east and west coasts alone
can preserve security. We recently saw in the case of the terrorist attack on Mumbai that terrorists may enter a country covertly by ocean routes, landing in small craft and then assembling to wreak havoc. That we have a lawfully armed populace adds a measure of security for all of us and makes it less likely that a band of terrorists could make headway in an attack on any community before more professional forces
arrived.

The black market and the amt of weapons coming thru our borders is immense...

Serious responsibility. I get so tired of the lay person being able to wait the amounted time getting the gun... puts the dang thing in the nightstand drawer with a child running around the house and there's a tragic ending.
Anything can be used as a weapon but when there is training the likely hood of accidents is greatly reduced.

A major victory tonight for our individual rights to bear arms. The ninth circuit court of appeals rules that states must obey the second amendment of the U.S. constitution. The ninth circuit saying states cannot create their own gun laws violating the second amendment. June Ronald Gould wrote, quote, the right to bear arms is a bulwark against external invasion. That we have a lawfully armed populace adds a measure of security for all of us and makes it less likely that a band of terrorists could make head way in an attack on any community. The ninth circuit generally considered very liberal, in fact the most liberal in the country concluded that the second amendment of the constitution is a fundamental right..."

You need a shotgun or a 9mm semi-auto to defend your house? Okay. But neither you nor any other citizen of this country NEEDS automatic weapons. If you feel some doubt about this, talk to the families of the 9 U.S. police officers gunned down by automatic weapons in the hands of the lunatic fringe in this last month.

^ If we could just even get some educated candidates I think we'd be ahead.

So TheLimey, what do you seriously propose to fix it?

being able to maintain and restore an older vehicle ..

The vehicle made various noises during it all ( started ahead of us and ended up behind us) and all I have to say if I were stupid enough to pay that much for (or pose with as I suspect the guy was), it should at least be quiet.

Those are called ape hangers.....