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 Author Thread: Nobel Peace Prize Laureate confirms Faux News is NOT a news organization
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 125 (view)
 
Nobel Peace Prize Laureate confirms Faux News is NOT a news organization
Posted: 10/30/2009 4:48:59 PM

Did you know Fox is run by Hitler? It's true. Fox also kicks puppies. In addition to that, Fox is also responsible for global warming, the poor state of the economy, the swine flu, and midgets not being allowed in the NBA.

Evil båstards.
Yep and George Bush is secretly the CEO while Rush and David Limbaugh assist him in creating new and excited lies about Obama to air daily.
Oh! And dont forget that if they were finally taken off the air all the bees will come back.
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 107 (view)
 
Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/30/2009 4:35:04 PM

I can think of a whole lot of "good Christians" who would quite strongly disagree with you on that...
A sure sign of a "good" Christian is one that knows that there is no such thing.
No one is "good" but God. Besides, it is not a question of our personal opinions rather what the Word of God says that we Christians follow and the Word of God does not forbid the consumption of tobacco or sugar and actually encourages the consumption of alcohol in some cases. To those who prefer to live in dry counties: right on bro, but again, that is merely preference not sound doctrine or Theology.

But, I think you are overlooking the Judaic concept of yetzer hara and the 'sinful' (against the will of God) relationship to indulgence in such things... or the Christian concept of lust (extravagance, 'luxuria') and gluttony as 'sinful' in relation to indulgence in such things...
Indulging or abusing/becoming addicted or enslaved to any substance is a whole other topic, in which case even "good" goods such as bread becomes forbidden.

1 Corinthians 10:23
"All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not."
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 43 (view)
 
Michael Jackson died in 1984
Posted: 10/30/2009 4:17:21 PM

Sounds just a little far fetched..even after I smoked a fatty...sorry

 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 72 (view)
 
Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/22/2009 5:22:24 PM
Miss not so cools children will end up with heart disease, cancer or some other illness brough on by her poor dietary choices, group insurance rates are calculated on percentage's, how many will have heart trouble, diabetes , cancer. A tax on junk food will be a down payment on their future health care needs. Diet is a choice so paying a little extra is a choice
Sounds like a mighty fancy way of justifying enforcing ideology on folks, if you ask me.
Besides, if we start to tread down this road of so called "sin tax", we will find that there is an infinite number of goods we could impose this "sin tax" on.
Anything we think are undesirable or "bad" goods are next. When does it end?



*Interestingly, neither consuming sugar nor alcohol nor tobacco is a sin according to the Torah and the Holy Bible, while treating people unfairly is.
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 29 (view)
 
Sin Tax to help fund Healthcare costs?
Posted: 10/19/2009 5:34:25 PM
Warning: Post includes common sense, rational theorization and unbiased opinions and may cause an agreeable reaction. The risk of reaction is increased in those who have two brain cells to rub together.




Hey guys, how do you feel about a “sin” tax to help pay for healthcare?

I personally don’t have a problem paying a little more on soda and sugary things. Maybe it’ll help Americans to become a little healthier.

And, every time I see that damn commercial featuring the lady unloading groceries (in plastic bags by the way) and literally bitc*ing about a soda tax making it too expensive to feed her family, I want to throw something at my tv! Stop feeding your kids junk lady!! I know, I know, she's just an actress, but you know what? I never gave my kids soda and it saved me money at the dentist!

Also, I live in NJ and they are proposing a 25% tax hike on liquor, (not beer) to help with the large deficit here. I say if it makes people drink a little less because of the price, maybe drunk driving will be reduced also.....


IMO, it is never right to unfairly tax a/any particular group of people no matter how good the excuse may sound. Should Miss Not-So-Bright-Mum feed her kids soda?
That's irrelevant. Variable taxes suck. Forcing her to pay an increased amount of taxes because she may or may not make poor dietary choices is uncool.
Apply same principle to Joe Drunk.
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 388 (view)
 
President Obama Wins The Nobel Peace Prize!
Posted: 10/18/2009 1:55:40 PM

94 - Yasser Arafat - A man who, either himself or through his orders, murdered more than 25,000 Israelis and Muslims
Youve gotta be kidding me.
Never mind me then. I guess Im not all that upset anymore about Obama receiving one.
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 14 (view)
 
Race Baiting and Name Calling
Posted: 10/18/2009 1:51:27 PM
Yea, the world does seem like a really negative place if you only watch faux news


According to the US Department of Justice there are approximately 5.2 million violent crimes committed in the US in any given year. And for every 1,000 persons age 12 or older, there occurred 1 rape or sexual assault and 1 assault with injury.
~Approximately 896,000 children were found to have been victims of abuse or neglect—an average of more than 2,450 children per day according to CPS and an average of nearly four children die every single day as a result of child abuse.
We've been at war for nearly nine years, our economy is crap and our people are losing their jobs faster than you can say "Obama Doesn't Seem To Be Saving Us".

Beggin yer pardon, but our world is a negative place.
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 385 (view)
 
President Obama Wins The Nobel Peace Prize!
Posted: 10/18/2009 1:31:58 PM
Lets face it: the only reason Obama scored the prize is because the folks awarding it are clueless as to what a true global peace maker truly is. Awarding a Nobel Peace Prize for what hes promised (and not yet carried out by the way) is ludicrous and an incredible insult to those who have honorably and impartiallyearned it.
Says I.

"(The 2002 Nobel Peace Prize) should be interpreted as a criticism of the line that the current (U.S.) administration has taken. It's a kick in the leg to all that follow the same line as the United States." -- Nobel Committee Chairman Gunnar Berge on giving Jimmy Carter the Nobel Peace Prize

Wow..just wow. Excuse me while I heave my lunch.
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 25 (view)
 
Canadian Marc Emery is going to US jail.
Posted: 10/4/2009 12:19:30 PM

I have ALWAYS had an issue with this particular US attitude - that they can enforce their laws OUTSIDE their borders
Aint got nothin but love fer ya doll, but those seeds came inside our border. Thatis within our jurisdiction.
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 119 (view)
 
Kirk Cameron compares Charles Darwin to Hitler!
Posted: 10/4/2009 11:39:13 AM
Does anyone really need any proof that religion is dangerous? Kirk Cameron is a classic textbook example of why religion is dangerous; a person who thinks he has religious certainty because it's been pounded into him as infallible fact over many years & when science gives him a different answer he cannot emotionally handle it.
By stating that you believeone Christian to be a fool in no way shape or form proves that all religions are dangerous nor does it prove that all other Christians are.

 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 106 (view)
 
The Bush legacy: Pregnant teens.
Posted: 8/16/2009 9:40:42 PM
Whatever you are doing, it isn't working.
The statement in question was that Canada has a decreasing number of teen pregnancy, not that it had one lower than the US.


Yes. Well if you look at the first page of the discussion of this that I posted you will see that according to the author MOST Christian Reconstructionists don't realise that they are Reconstructionists. How about you tell us how you are NOT a Christian Reconstructionist rather than just poo poo-ing the notion in this Oh-Aren't-You-A-Fool way?
I already have and read the entire page thank you very much. And damn, how could one believe in such utter nonsense claimed in this blatant propaganda and not know it?
EX: As a Reconstructionist, I'd hold be belief that capital punishment should reach beyond such crimes as murder and include things like blasphemy heresy, adultery and homosexuality. *rereads text due to its absurdity*
Ex 2: We read that Reconstuctionists believe that whatever does not fit neatly into a "Biblical world view" is a delusion sent by Satan. *wipes tears of laughter from eyes*
Ex 3: Reconstructionists--scary lil devils (pun intended) believe there is no such thing as a natural disaster and that sin is being judged when nature brings us to our knees.
Once again, are you serious?!
Hell, If I were that demented I'd at least suspect that my views were extreme. As I said, I've read it and its full of mere scare tactics, propaganda and a dash of bull$hit, for taste.


And "Poo-pooing"?

For your reading pleasure... proof that Canada has a decreasing pregnancy rate.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/kits-trousses/preg-gross/preg-gross-eng.htm

From your own citation we read that the probable reason for the finding was due largely to increased numbers of abortions--not exactly what I'd call an example we should follow.
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 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 41 (view)
 
Barack Obama faces 30 death threats a day,
Posted: 8/16/2009 5:31:40 PM
Seperation of church and state?
Isnt that in your laws?
No.

Werent many of the founding fathers athiests anyway?
No.

we are not a "christian" nation. The forefathers made sure that the secular government could not be tampered by the church and vice-versa.


"Don't let anyone
claim to be a true American. Don't let them claim the tribute of
American patriotism if they ever attempt to remove religion from
politics." ~George Washington's farewell address

First chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, John Jay, wrote:

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty ... of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." (1816)

John Adams wrote:

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

James Madison:

"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not on the power of government...[but] upon the capacity of each and every one of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."

It must be concluded that our Founding Fathers did believe in God and founded America as a Christian nation.







 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 104 (view)
 
The Bush legacy: Pregnant teens.
Posted: 8/16/2009 5:06:51 PM
Can you provide any evidence for this "cultural change" you see happening....
One would have to both blind and dumb to fail to see the changes in the culture our kids are living in. In the 1950's kids got thrown out of class for chewing gum, which by the way was the chief complaint given by teachers, and now grade 6 kids are carrying guns and knives. And speaking of the 50's-- a mere 4 percent of births in 1950 were to out-of-wedlock mothers. But in 2008, according to the most recent statistics from the Centers for Disease Control, 35.7% of all births were to unmarried women. *gets out calculator* Lemme see. I would say that its clear to see somethingin our culture has changed, for the worse I might add, and by the looks of things W couldn't possibly be responsible for all this mess. (unless he began screwing things up while attending Harvard. Doubtful.

Personally, I'm less concerned with the evangelical right's silly little obsession with abstinence
"Silly little obsession" with values? From the right? Noooo.
(and its impolite to refer to others religious views as silly~unless they happen to be Christians and then it apparently is kosher.)

And Christian Reconstructionism? Youre serious? Be sure to check under your bed tonight too for the monsters with fangs that want to hurt you.
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 102 (view)
 
The Bush legacy: Pregnant teens.
Posted: 8/16/2009 1:30:15 PM
Cultural changes? Teen birth rates were on a decline up until the year that this new education system was introduced.
Excuse me? *raises eyebrow*
There is nothing new (in US) about teaching children/teens that abstinence is the only100% effective method of birth control and/or STDs. This has been the norm in sex education for decades up until recent years so you lost me somewhere between say wha? and "what-chu-talkin' bout Willis?"

Meanwhile Canada another country with hyper sexualized media has continued to see a drop in it's teen pregnancy rate.
Citation please.

"Cultural changes" doesn't fly.
Depends on the pilot and his agenda besides I merely gave it as oneof many possible scenarios.

Abstinence is not ineffective in stopping pregnancy, I never said that. I've argued (with scientific backing) that abstinence only education fails to produce abstinence, and instead produces STI's and teen pregnancy.
It doesn't fail to produce abstinence for many teens. It may have failed some but we can not say that it has failed altogether. Please spare me any claims that teaching "safe sex" to our youth will result in a solution to this problem. Just as many teens that have refused to consider the advice of abstinence, may just as likely 86 our encouraging the use of condoms.


No I would not support barbaric measures. Unfortunately I don't have to, we have the means to reduce teen pregnancy and the only people who oppose it are the barbarians who think that a book written thousands of years ago is the path to teaching children in the modern age.
You missed the point darlin and name calling is soo beneath you. Because I hold true to a Religious text that encourages us to keep our bodies disease free by not nailing everything that has a pulse means Im barbaric.
Ohh the irony is too much to bear.
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 100 (view)
 
The Bush legacy: Pregnant teens.
Posted: 8/16/2009 10:12:29 AM
Give me a reasonable one.
Changes in our culture,(surprisingly not Bush). No one can argue that movies like Juno have effected our youth's view of pregnancy. Also, as a mother of a two teens I can assure you that compared to when I was a teen, there is much more risk-taking among teens today.
Besides, the same data showed that last year also had record high rates for for Caesarean deliveries. Bush must be butcher happy, too.

*Federal health experts said they don't know why the teen pregnancy numbers went up from 2005 to 2006, and that not enough data have been collected to say whether it's a trend.


http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/healthday/071205/teen-birth-rates-up-for-first-time-in-14-years-us-reports.htm


It's a moral choice that results in no pregnancy, as an educational method it's been shown time and again to be a immoral choice to produce more pregnant teenagers.
So what you're saying then is the moral choice is whichever method is effective? Since abstinence is ineffective (in your opinion) we should modify morality to best suit our goal? Tell me, Charlie, what if we discovered tonight that ------ (fill in the blank) will have 100% success rate in eliminating all unwanted pregnancy.
What if the method was barbaric? Would you still support it? I do not think so.
Morality can not be modified.
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 18 (view)
 
Rep. Paul Stanley busted for sex with 22 year old intern.
Posted: 8/15/2009 12:23:50 PM

Why would I be desperate, I have my own girl in her mid 20's.
Don't be silly, Charlie. I didn't mean that you were desperate for a gal. (Stevie Wonder can see that that you wouldn't have any trouble there) What I meant was that I grow tired of the desperation in posts full of criticism and slander of those they disagree with--to the point of grasping onto whatever crap they see in 6 second soundbites on CNN.
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 15 (view)
 
Rep. Paul Stanley busted for sex with 22 year old intern.
Posted: 8/14/2009 10:51:28 PM

Paul Stanley believed in abstinance before marriage. Most people who hear this would assume that he meant sex WITH who your married to.

They'd be wrong. He was banging a 22 year old intern.
Banging? Really?
Wow..moving on..
From the bottom of my heart I say "Weak".
Or maybe "Desperate"?
Confucius say, "I do not accuse Heaven, nor do I blame men; here below I am learning, and there above I am being heard. If I am understood, it must be by Heaven."
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 34 (view)
 
Christianity
Posted: 8/14/2009 9:16:13 PM
You are not correct in this. Baptists for example do not believe in sacraments or the creeds, as [Roman] Catholics and Protestent Christians profess. Baptists reject the teachings of Gnostism. Baptists do hold to a view of Sola Scriptura (66 book Bible) as for the authority in all matters of the Christian faith and practice.

Wwhhooo..wait a minute sugar. When one speaks for Baptists let us not take such liberties. I am Baptist yet I hold the the Roman Creeds as Gospel. I submit myself to the Roman Catholic Church and its Pope. Let us not generalize, and furthermore let us not divide the Body of Christ.
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 96 (view)
 
The Bush legacy: Pregnant teens.
Posted: 8/14/2009 8:51:29 PM

The whole topic was about "Abstinence Only" sex education. Yours was the first mention of abortion (and for God's sakes lets not go down that road yet again).

The argument put up is that making abstinence the only form of birth control allowed to be discussed in sex education has resulted in an increase in teen pregnancy.

Abstinence is the only moral choice that leads to decrease in teen pregnancy.


We could all get creative and conjure up nine kinds of methods that could decrease the teen pregnancy rate but the bottom line is:
Moral depravity will have consequences.
One of which is teen pregnancy. Choosing to ignore that fact and carry on with fruitless ideas to combat those consequences are, as we have all seen, both
inadequate and incompetent.
But let us continue trying with the same moronic ideas and see if they will some day pan out...oh wait! I think that's the definition of insanity..
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 94 (view)
 
The Bush legacy: Pregnant teens.
Posted: 8/14/2009 5:11:59 PM

Since the Bush administration and its Christian right supporters actively promoted (and promote) teen pregnancy, it isn't difficult to see the link AT LEAST between their policies and the rise teen pregnancy (which sometimes leads to abortion).
To claim that the Christian right actively promotes teen pregnancy is ludicrous and frankly insulting.
Simply because we conservatives do n0t condone abortion--and have tirelessly fought to reverse Rove vs Wade, doesn't mean that we promote teen pregnancy.

I gained 10lbs during the Bush administration. Damn him.


he he. Well, emotional distress CAN cause one to over eat. ;)

Well played.
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 92 (view)
 
The Bush legacy: Pregnant teens.
Posted: 8/14/2009 9:26:01 AM

Didn't see this one coming. Hey way to increase the number of abortions there Republicans.
Great. We've discovered a way to blame even this on Bush. Tell me, are long nights and overtime required to conjure up such crap? There are countless possible causes for the rise.

I gained 10lbs during the Bush administration. Damn him.
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 14 (view)
 
Obama's latest approval ratings.
Posted: 8/5/2009 4:18:46 PM

Makes you wonder just what in the heck these people thought he was? A centrist? A fiscal conservative with liberal leanings on social issues? LMAO. He had the most liberal voting record in the Senate...and with Kennedy, Frank, Schumer, etc., that's a pretty impressive accomplishment.

I suppose better late, than never, though.
Hellooo..?? Makes one wonder what rock these folks had been under..or even on for that matter. Anyone with two braincells to rub together could have clearly seen how liberal the man has proven to be time and time again. The fact that this appears to be news to the folks that voted for him is rather alarming.

Rasmussen Reports? lol "We give you the results you pay for" is their motto.
Come up with enough cash and Rasmussen will show a poll "proving" Obama is a terrorist and McCain will win by a landslide.
Wait hasn't he done that already?
Whatever man. I closely followed their polls during the campaign and I remember being disappointed day after day reading that Obama was leading, usually by a large margin. So save it.
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 43 (view)
 
The Game is afoot: Sotomayor.
Posted: 7/12/2009 12:34:27 PM
Making it a statement about her ethics is even more absurd, she made a decision, it was overturned by a small margin. The decision wasn't about Sotomayor remember, it was about a court case.
Err..when we make decisions we use a little thing I like to call ethics or morals. Pick one.


@Apologist~D.A

You have to be kidding me? I'm giving you an argument based on legal fact and you come back with what you "feel" is unethical? You realize that's like bringing a knife to a gun fight, don't you?
I don't like guns.
(well actually, you will never see me aboard the whole "gun ban" sinking ship, but it had a clever ring to it) What I feel is unethical is virtually irrelevant.
Ethics originates from God and He commands what is arbitrarily good and ethical. I can hear the screams already and am ducking the flying fruit as we speak but we all live day to day by these commands even those of us who deny the existence of the God that created them. ~Interestingly, even the thief or liar acknowledges their existence.


1. Sotomayor was one of three other judges on a three judge panel. They all ruled unanimously in support of the city.
And I am equally dissatisfied with each of them. Whats the point? Think that I singled her out? No, they all need a trip to the wood shed and Id be more than happy to lead.

2. The other two judges are white. Yet, no one calls them racists or reverse racists.
They're racist. There. Well, cowardly racists actually.

But when you are arguing regulations, laws, codes, etc ... it isn't about what any of us feels. It's about how those pieces of legislation are written. That is what makes a good judge. The ability to remove his or her feelings about the case and rule based on what that law says. You cannot, and will not ever win an argument about anything legal when you are talking about what you feel is ethical while the opposing side is presenting reasoned arguments based on facts.
To remove ones emotions is, I'm sure, what you meant because how could one ever judge anything if not for their ability to reason? And reason? How am I to reason, like some robot? No, as a human I have the unique ability to reason with both my mind and conscience. True, we see a lot of leaders that appear to lack that ability these days (probably aliens if you ask me ;) and that is the reason we see so much trash being handed down from the bench.
Let us say that you and Charlie here elect me judge of this thread. (you can now refer to me as the Honorable Apologist if you wish) ;)
How could I ever rule on any one matter if not for taking into consideration both arguments and deliberating or discerning which is right and which is wrong?
How am I to do this? How I "feel" will be determined by my ability and willingness to acknowledge the morality-or lack thereof in the case.
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 10 (view)
 
How do You Come To Love Jesus Strongly?
Posted: 7/11/2009 11:45:41 AM
Hiya Csonka!


How do you come to love Jesus strongly?
Personally, I have grown to love Him. I do not think that one can love Someone that they do not know. As He has allowed me to get to know Him, I have grown to love Him. I say "allowed me to" because it was only by His grace and mercy that He allowed my eyes to see His. I have no doubt whatsoever that He is very much a part of an unbelievers life as mine, but that they do not "see" it. Sad, really. Everyday I see His work, hear His voice, experience His love-and each and every time my love grows for Him. I would admit that that love has grown at a faster pace (it seems) when He comforts me when I am broken..feeling His love and His presence when only He can is an experience that I'm afraid I can not explain nor write about at this moment. I don't know how.
At any rate, my final answer is: I came to love Jesus because He first loves me (loves-not loved)and He cultivates my love for Him. All Him. Me? Nada. To believe that one must "do" something in order to love Jesus is borderline blashemphy, Im afraid. I, like all mankind, am so utterly depraved that even my love for Him comes from Him. And praise Him for it cuz I'd love nothing but myself, left to my own device.

 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 86 (view)
 
Palin resigns! Do you think she will run for President!
Posted: 7/11/2009 11:23:09 AM

I live in Texas and Bush was our governor, but for some reason the image of the party changed, and not in a positive direction.
The Right hasn't changed, dear friend. The "people" have and we done nothing but be left behind. And..




It made a very good point, but the republican party needs to appear more inclusive
Thisis key. The Right do almost nothing to "appear" a certain way. To manipulate the public by attempting to "appear" any other way than as we truly are totally contradicts one of the key principles of our party. (Hence the left behind bit) The left seem to have no qualms with this method whatsoever and are clearly more triumphant at luring the center. Sucks, I know. As far as being "more inclusive", this is not something that a party can simply do. A group of people with like minded world views and beliefs have formed a political party. To change what we hold as truth to simply "include" others is unethical and hypocritical and those who demand that others conform to their standards simply because the standard excludes some is soo..well...err..left.



They became more focused on the moral right after he became a born again Christian
Poppycock. The Right has been practically synonymous with Conservative Christian since dirt.


Many republicans do not like the image of the party
Umm..beggin yer pardon but coming from an actual republican I disagree. My party's image suits me just fine.
"It is sad that being a good patriot often means being the enemy of the rest of mankind." --Voltaire
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 1 (view)
 
Judge Sotomayor and Reverse Racism
Posted: 7/11/2009 9:50:22 AM
The International Association of Hispanic Firefighters is on the Wrong Side of Civil Rights: Part I
By Aaron Rodriguez | June 29th, 2009

The International Association of Hispanic Firefighters makes three false presuppositions that reversing Judge Sotomayor's decision will exacerbate racial tensions in other firehouses in Connecticut and across the nation.

On March 25, 2009, International Association of Hispanic Firefighters filed an Amicus brief to the Supreme Court supporting the decision of New Haven to deny promotions to firefighters that passed their promotional exam. By doing this, the International Association of Hispanic Firefighters not only denied a member of their organization, Latino firefighter Ben Vargas, proper representation, but also contradicted the position of the New Haven Hispanic Firefighters Association that supported the 20 firefighters that passed their promotional exams.

When the city of New Haven discovered that no black entrants qualified for an immediate promotion based upon test scores, they decided to nullify the test to avoid a discrimination lawsuit from black firefighters. New Haven officials stated they tossed the exams based upon "Disparate Impact;" a legal term grounded in the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Disparate impact occurs when an employer's hiring practice has an adverse exclusionary effect on a protected class. For instance, if an employer uses a lifting requirement of 100 pounds as a hiring practice; and as a consequence, men were hired at a ratio of 10:1 over women, then that hiring practice has had a disparate impact on women as a protected class.

The Amicus brief of the International Association of Hispanic Firefighters provided several different arguments in an attempt to justify the decision New Haven officials. In this piece, I will examine the first argument made by the IAHF. The rest I will examine at a later time.

The First Argument of the International Association of Hispanic Firefighters

The first argument made by the International Association of Hispanic Firefighters is as follows:

"Reversing the second circuit's judgment that a decision to avoid potential discrimination is not itself discrimination. To reverse it will exacerbate racial tensions in public safety departments in Connecticut and in other workplaces throughout the county."
The International Association of Hispanic Firefighters makes three false presuppositions that reversing Judge Sotomayor's judgment to uphold the decision of New Haven will exacerbate racial tensions in other firehouses in Connecticut and across the nation.

It's true that reversing Sotomayor's ruling will lead to increased racial strife, but the IAHF neglects the evident fact that not overturning Sotomayor's judgment will make racial tensions far worse than leaving it alone. (Like Justice Souter said of Ricci v. DeStefano, it left New Haven in a 'damned if you do and damned if you don't" situation.) And dismissing the achievements of those who prepared and worked diligently is far worse for racial relations for fire departments than it is to deny promotions to those who didn't deserve them in the first place.

The International Association of Hispanic Firefighters also made a false assumption that reversing Sotomayor’s ruling will exacerbate racial tensions across the country. The members of most fire departments don’t know anything about the Ricci v. DeStefano. (A good sample taken at my own fire department from those who are politically knowledgeable made this point quite evident to me.) However, ask firefighters how they would feel if their own promotional exam was tossed because no black entrants had scored high enough to qualify for a promotion, they would be livid. I can only imagine how tense it must be at the New Haven Fire Department even 5 years after the fact. As it stands now, you have Lieutenants at the New Haven Fire Department that should be Captains. And thanks to ruling of Sotomayor and other judges, some of those entrants who failed their promotional exams are not Captains.

And finally, the International Association of Hispanic Firefighters made a false assumption that upholding a policy that attempts to avoid discrimination cannot itself be discrimination. Their Amicus brief doesn't attempt to elaborate on how this is the case, but it does assert something pertinent for our consideration. The Amicus brief says :

This case has been framed in the media as if race in the workplace represents a zero-sum game, as if every promotion given to a person of color is an injury to a white person. This framing presumes uncritically a number of things: that white people are somehow entitled to promotions, that people of color are not, and in this particular case, that performance on standardized tests alone is a n appropriate measure of merit.

The problem with Ricci v. DeStefano is that this situation is a zero-sum game, hence Judge Souter’s statement that New Haven is “damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.” The fact that the International Association of Hispanic Firefighters cannot see this is point is rather ironic. They presume to lecture the media about making uncritical presumptions, and this is exactly what they have done in their Amicus brief.

Final Thoughts on the International Association of Hispanic Firefighters

The International Association of Hispanic Firefighter's statement that representing Ricci v. DeStefano as a zero-sum game presumes that white people are somehow entitled to promotions while people of color are not is nothing short of breathtaking. The New Haven Fire Department provided its members with two promotional exams – one for a lieutenant’s position and one for a captain’s position. The tests were weighted 60% on the written part and 40% on the verbal part. These promotional exams are nothing new to the New Haven Fire Department. They all know the style and format of these tests, and city suggested what books to study. Those that prepared well, did well. Those that slacked off, either barely passed or they failed. The black and Hispanic firefighters, generally speaking, didn’t invest the same amount of time studying as some of their white counterparts (a fact that New Haven firefighters know well). And since the exam is graded on a curve, those who wanted the promotion more generally did better than those who wanted it less. To presume that personal achievement doesn’t entitle one to a promotion even when it’s a part of a city contract is astoundingly counterintuitive and foolish.

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2009/06/29/the-international-association-of-hispanic-firefighters-is-on-the-wrong-side-of-civil-rights-part-i/
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It appears that certain laws were designed to protect only the rights of certain races and to hell with others. I think their is a word for that..Racism, anyone? I guess its perfectly acceptable when the one that is being discriminated against is white? Reverse racism has grown at an alarming pace in this country and frankly, I'm disappointed that Sotomayor, a woman chosen by Obama, is so blatantly active in it all. Avoiding potential discrimination against one group by actually discriminating against another is universally unethical. <-------A third grader can grasp this. One doesnt need a Law degree from Havard to see that, only an unbiased mind and an ethical standard higher than that of a dumpster rat. (one Sotomayor apparently lacks)

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 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 39 (view)
 
The Game is afoot: Sotomayor.
Posted: 7/11/2009 9:23:36 AM
Never fails - anyone who stands in the way of the left gets personally attacked and dragged through the mud... Palin, Prejean, Joe the Plumber, and now Frank Ricci too...
Yeah, its kinda became a stamp of the Conservative party approval: be hated by the liberal press. I think plans are being made to require a public beating on CNN in order to run for certain Public offices.



"He took on a second job and worked hard, but was denied due to the same legal concepts" that were designed to protect people's rights, Graham said.

It appears that they were designed to protect only the rights of certain races and to hell with others. I think their is a word for that..Racism, anyone? I guess its perfectly acceptable when the one that is being discriminated against is white? Reverse racism has grown at an alarming pace in this country and frankly, I'm disgusted that Sotomayor, a woman chosen by Obama to discern right from wrong, is so blatantly active in it all.
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 37 (view)
 
The Game is afoot: Sotomayor.
Posted: 7/11/2009 9:18:23 AM

Actually, if you'd read the law you'd know Sotomayor simply upheld said law.

I respectfully disagree.
We currently have no laws on any books in any state, fine sir, that required her to deny promotions to men because of their race. Oh wait..we actually have laws that forbid that, me thinks.
The reversal of the decision by Judge Sonia Sotomayor was due to the blatant racism that was played in promoting African Americans and Hispanics instead of more qualified Caucasians.

Avoiding potential discrimination against one group by actually discriminating against another is universally unethical. <-------A third grader can grasp this. One doesnt need a Law degree from Havard to see that, only an unbiased mind and an ethical standard higher than that of a dumpster rat. (one Sotomayor apparetnly lacks)
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 28 (view)
 
Palin resigns! Do you think she will run for President!
Posted: 7/5/2009 1:38:12 PM
OP~ No, I do not think she will run for the Presidency.
I am and always have been a supporter and just adore the sassy Conservative but from what little she has said publicly about her departure I gather that she has chosen to remove herself from politics.
EX: Palin~


"We know we can effect positive change outside government at this moment in time on another scale and actually make a difference for our priorities,"

And hell, who could blame her after the ungodly beatin' she took from the press last year, right? Nieche once said that one must take great care when fighting monsters-least you become one and its true. Will she return? Possibly, but I truly believe that Palin, much like many other decent folks who tried their hand at making "a change" has had all of the political crap one gal can take.

I 'd also wager that Palin has encountered another issue that has not been made public (perhaps none of our business) that would cause her to bail as she has.




 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 61 (view)
 
WHOOPS!!! Missing governor Mark Sanford was meeting lover in Argentina
Posted: 7/2/2009 7:52:42 PM
I could care less if you are sooooo forgiving for others' sexual immorality and certainly if it has "snared" you, then you might understand and I could somewhat imagine then that you would have sympathy for this schmuck. But don't expect that from others who are innocent of such immoral behavior.
I did not write that I "was forgiving" of him but rather that I felt compassion towards him. And this is key.
I do not have to nor do I have the ability to forgive him. He did nothing to harm me and he owes neither you nor I anything.
But don't expect that from others who are innocent of such immoral behavior.
Adultery is soooo not the only form of immorality. To judge Joe cuz "my faults are not as bad as his" reeks of legalism and exposes a total lack of a realistic view of humanity and its basic flaw. (moral depravity)

Furthermore, I do not hold myself accountable to anyone but myself and my partner
Ahhh but you withhold the right to bum rush this guy and hold him accountable to what you deem unacceptable? Tsk tsk.
And just by the way ... I don't care what political party he belongs to or affiliates with. My view of the situation would be no different.
Agreed.
 Apologist~D.A
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Msg: 44 (view)
 
The REAL Obama revealed at last...
Posted: 7/2/2009 7:28:55 PM
You didn't like his answer. Guess what? A lot of people did. Suck it up.
Come now, Charlie, you know damn good and well that the man didnt even give an answer but rather hid from the question while doing a rather ungraceful dance all around it with lots of umms and errrrs. Now I can take your opinion even if it disagrees with mine, and even enjoy the opportunity to reflect and modify my own. (as you should be well aware of as I have often expressed my fondness of yours.) However, when a man in a position such as Obama's refuses to man up and grow a pair and actually answer a straight question with a straight answer it causes me to think infinitely more poorly of him than if he were to tell me to my face (and America) just what he thought. *cough-coward-cough*
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 34 (view)
 
The Game is afoot: Sotomayor.
Posted: 7/2/2009 7:22:43 PM

5-4 decision is suddenly a brutal indictment of her decision? LOL come on D.A who the heck are you kidding?
Who said anything about brutal? *looks around* I simply wrote that she had to be corrected for her faulty ethics. (much like my 2 year old nephew I'm afraid.)
 Apologist~D.A
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Msg: 59 (view)
 
WHOOPS!!! Missing governor Mark Sanford was meeting lover in Argentina
Posted: 7/2/2009 7:14:04 PM
Apologist,

You're defending him because he's a values guy.
No, Im defending him because I am well aware of how easy sexual immorality can snare us all, including myself. (and for the record, I have defended lefties in similar situations. My compassion on the bloke has nothing to do with his political views however similar to mine they may be.


And it's not that he merely committed adultery. He's the one who throws the stones at others, -and- he did more than just adultery.
Because one may at times fail to live up to a certain standard does not equate hypocrisy but rather merely exposes an inability to achieve perfection. This sad fact is no excuse for any of us to fail to try nor reason to ignore the fact that the standard exists..


It wasn't a "mistake". It was pre-meditated with arrogance.
True that pre-meditated sin takes on a completely more complex nature so no argument here and I'll give you that one..*marks score board*

For those of us who do not do such things as stray from our marriage ... commit adultery ... break the law (among other things using taxpayer monies to commit adultery), I suppose one might say that yes, we do feel we could hold this guy accountable for his deeds.
Committing adultery is breaking God's law. If anyone here can claim not to have ever done the same, go ahead. (do remember that lying would do just that)
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 34 (view)
 
The REAL Obama revealed at last...
Posted: 6/29/2009 5:42:06 PM
Okay lets say it's okay to sacrifice the lives of 4000 plus men and "women" who signed up to serve
You mean allow them to sacrifice, right? We all love to speak as if we send these soldiers over in chains. *rolls eyes* These men and women deserve the admiration and respect that is derived from the knowledge that they lie down their lives and every thing they love on their own accord, and proud to do so. But we can continue to spit on their sacrifice as if they are were wrestled to the ground by W and manhandled into submission, tied up with rope and shipped to Iraq in ball gags. (don't get me started)

is it also okay to kill 100,000 plus Iraqi citizens, citizens walking talking breathing on their own men, women, children and without a doubt fetuses in varing stages of developement, who choses who gets to live and who gets to die? is it conditional and if so on what?
1st off, the U.S. lacks a mechanism to accurately track those (not American) wounded or killed in Iraq so your impressive body count is worthless, Im afraid. Again, these deaths were tragic and horrible accidents. Please do not come at me with an idea that our noble and respectable troops go around shooting (or bombing) innocent children, women and unarmed men for shit$ and giggles.
 Apologist~D.A
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Msg: 32 (view)
 
The REAL Obama revealed at last...
Posted: 6/29/2009 5:16:10 PM
Perhaps, just perhaps, he, like so many of us feel that his personal opinion is irrelevant to the issue, that some decisions are only a matter for the individual, their conscience and their God and it is not our place to even render an opinion.
"So many of us" do not make decisions that effect the lives of millions so we can not compare the opinions of Obama with your average Joe. (no pun intended) My point was that the man was attempting to hide his controversial beliefs behind a crap excuse that didn't even make sense. Proving that the statement " This President does not run from questions." is crap. And as President-or a man running for the Presidency, one doesn't have the luxury of not having an opinion on any one matter. Sorry.

Perhaps, just perhaps, if he had been asked what choice he personally would make if faced with the decision to obtain or not obtain an abortion rather than a leading question as to "when life begins" for political fodder you might have heard a very different answer.
Uhh, no. Direct Obama quotes:
OBAMA QUOTES:

"Babies who survive their abortions are not protected by the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution."

"A ban to stop aborted babies from being shelved to die would be burdensome to their mothers. She alone should decide whether her baby lives or dies."

"Aborting babies alive and letting them die is a doctor's prerogative."

"Aborting babies alive and letting them die violates no universal principle."

Obama believes babies can be punishment. He was recorded saying:

"Look, I got two daughters - 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. "

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_barack_obama_aganist_abortion
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 30 (view)
 
WHOOPS!!! Missing governor Mark Sanford was meeting lover in Argentina
Posted: 6/29/2009 4:52:39 PM
Man I feel so unworthy, surrounded by such innocent, perfect and blameless folks like the POF'ers here in this thread.
Perhaps I should take off my sandles err..flip-flops cuz it seems that I'm surrounded by a holy people. People never having fallen short of a morally spotless 10, people perfect enough to sit and judge and mock and weigh this man for committing adultery. People much unlike those who dropped their stones standing near JC. They had to but wait for the first stone to be thrown by a blameless assaulter and yet couldn't find even one.
Hell, as many stones as I see being hurled at this "schmuck" I wont dare taint this thread any longer with my sinful self. Peace out~
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 30 (view)
 
The REAL Obama revealed at last...
Posted: 6/29/2009 4:29:45 PM

It's replies like this that have 99% of the voting age public afraid to get involved in our one of our most valued freedoms the freedom of speech,

A) We, as a nation can not allow anyone or anything to frighten us into silence!
B) You are unlikely to find another poster so determined to defend and fight for the rights of our people to speak. (even those who use the opportunity to speak against my beliefs)For I am well aware that I can not deny another their rights yet keep my own for any extended length of time.

Maybe that is President Obama's opinion , maybe he does not think it is his duty to determine when life begins,
Once again, he was not asked to determine when life began but what his opinionwas. The simplicity of this concept will not allow me to believe that folks don't get it but rather choose not to.

what is your opinion do you think that sending our troops into combat to fight and die for oil is ok while performing abortions is against the will of god? I think it's hypocritical to send people to die and kill others and then to try to force youir opinion about when life begins on society
If I had a dime for every time I have had this debate id be a rather wealthy chick, and I grow tired but I will say that comparing the lives of men who have chosen to become soldiers, men who have accepted the risk of death to defend their country with the lives of unborn children who have chosen nothing is sooo left.
 Apologist~D.A
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Msg: 15 (view)
 
Are they gonna kill Grandma?
Posted: 6/29/2009 4:12:31 PM
Boy I wish I could muster up the strength to fake some level of shock but I haven't the energy for drama.. under Obama’s health "care" plan, millions will be denied care who will be judged "not fit to live". Nazi Germany, anyone?
Tell me, hasnt Obama claimed something along the lines of: "I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." ????Yes, yes I think he has. And that very Constitution protects the lives of Americans. (even the old ones that cant pay taxes or stand up and fight against tyrants) Sooo..Houston, I think we have a problem.
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Msg: 25 (view)
 
The REAL Obama revealed at last...
Posted: 6/29/2009 3:53:57 PM
I have never, no never, hurled a single one of those words at another poster. Furthermore, I have not even desired to do so.
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 30 (view)
 
The Game is afoot: Sotomayor.
Posted: 6/29/2009 3:34:32 PM
Sotomayors' original decision sided with the city because the city feared being sued by the black firefighters.
I was under the understanding that our Supreme Court justices were expected to refrain from giving into fear and saying uncle when threatened.
To claim the age old "well I was sceered" bit doesn't cut it at this level of responsibility in government and to know that folks accept this kind of kinder-care bull from a could-be Justice is nauseating.
*And by "siding" with an unethical position, Sotomayor is equally guilty. One always has the right to stand up against those in the wrong, as our Founding Fathers have taught us.
 Apologist~D.A
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Msg: 23 (view)
 
The REAL Obama revealed at last...
Posted: 6/29/2009 3:17:54 PM

All of the books, writings, and warnings about this President were glossed-over in gushing blow-job our media gave this man. No one outside if Fox news ever really vetted this candidate and have yet to do so to this day.
In beg yer pardon but I did.I plastered every single morsel of damning truth I could find on the man and no one paid a damn bit of attention. Well, accept for the ever so tiresome


mungojoe
Apparently someone drank too much of the "un-American terrorist" Limbaugh-Hannity flavoured kool-aid.
responses that grow so very progressively unbearable.


Those who did speak-up vocally or who called him out were raked over the coals - Joe the Plumber, a private citizen, calls out his true intentions and Obama bites... Joe citizen is then investigated by his own state, blasted by every liberal pundit, and vilified as a "plant" by the republican party... The media and it's incestuous relationship with both Obama and the democratic party have blinded people to who he is, who formed his beliefs, and who his influencers were. His "dreams" book appears to have been written by none other than radical nut-case, America hating, Bill Ayers and this article is right on the money!
Amen, brother



I consider this pure BS, Joe the Plumber called him out? No president has ever been questioned as much as President Obama has
Are you high? No really, are you?



I watched the ABC Public Health Care program I do not remember seeing one person who asked a question was not hostile to public health care, This President does not run from questions.


During the debate of Saddleback, Obama was asked what his opinion was regarding when an unborn child's life begins. Obama gave some mumbo-jumbo crap response followed by the now famous "Above my pay grade" answer. Mind you, the man was asked his opinion. His opinion was above his pay grade??
Yeah, theres some straight shooting for ya. *rolls eyes*.
By the way, McCain didnt blink an eye as he looked Warren square in the eye and answered "At conception."
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 29 (view)
 
The Game is afoot: Sotomayor.
Posted: 6/29/2009 2:27:30 PM
^^
High Court Rules for White Firefighters in Discrimination Suit
Ruling Reverses High-Profile Decision by Supreme Court Nominee Sonia Sotomayor

By Robert Barnes
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, June 29, 2009 12:07 PM*

The Supreme Court today narrowly ruled in favor of white firefighters in New Haven, Conn., who said they were denied promotions because of their race, reversing a decision by Judge Sonia Sotomayor and others that had come to play a large role in the consideration of her nomination for the high court.

The city had thrown out the results of a promotion test because no African Americans and only two Hispanics would have qualified for promotions. It said it feared a lawsuit from minorities under federal laws that said such "disparate impacts" on test results could be used to show discrimination.

In effect, the court was deciding when avoiding potential discrimination against one group amounted to actual discrimination against another.
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OK! Somebody stop me if I'm outta line here, but what kind of blooming idiot needs to have a federal court explain to them why this is wrong??
*stomps feet with unattractive hmmm? expression*
The fact that Sotomayor had to be schooled on how her politics were unethical is as clear as sign as we can ask for that the lady lacks the character stuffing that our leaders should be made of.


*
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/29/AR2009062901608_pf.html
 Apologist~D.A
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Msg: 46 (view)
 
NAACP Wins Dictionary Battle
Posted: 6/29/2009 2:09:23 PM
Say for instance if my racist boss started calling me "N****A but claimed she was just being my friend.
The boss just got through listening to some rapper using the word and thought it was okay?
Ehem..let us remember that 1) Some African Americans also refer to their white friends as "n*ggas" (I can attest to the fact personally) and 2)Said friend thought nothing amiss by doing so. One would have to be a fool to disagree that, in general, a certain amount of hypocrisy is at work in this matter.
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Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 104 (view)
 
California Supreme Court upholds Prop. 8
Posted: 6/5/2009 12:48:37 PM

Sorry but this has been proven time and again on these forums and elsewhere to be untrue.

The origins of US Law do not lie in the Bible, but in British Common Law, which has it's joint origins in Roman Law and the ancient pagan laws of the kings of Britain. The fact that there are points of commonality between certain elements of the Christian canon of laws should show you more about the common origins and developments of human morality than anything else and that Roman Law has it's origins in the laws of older cultures like Greece, Egypt and the cultures of the Near East such as Sumer and Ugarit, which produced the oldest law codes predating the oral and written traditions of the Hebrew Bible (reference lectures by Glenn S. Holland, Glenn S. Holland is the Bishop James Thoburn Professor of Religious Studies at Allegheny College).

And while almost all of the signatories of the Constitution and Declaration had some Christian affiliation, it is anachronistic to compare them to modern evangelical Christians...one need only look at their actual words (not what others have written about them, nor what some have cherry-picked) in context to see how they felt about their faith. For the majority of them, they supported the idea that every man's faith was his own business, to be enjoyed and freely participated in, not to be influenced or tread upon by the state nor interfered with by the state. These were educated men of the Enlightenment, raised on Montesquieu, Kant, Voltaire, Bacon, Swift religious men yes, but also free thinkers and humanists as well...these concepts are not mutually exclusive - unless you are a modern evangelical and they clearly were not that. The very fact that the majority of them were also Freemasons excludes them from that possibility.

The urge for certain groups of evangelical Christians in this day and age to revise history is anathema and should be to anyone with intellectual honesty.

American Laws are not a direct product of Biblical injunctions any more than Roman Law is...to wit they are as much both a product of Egyptian Law or Sumerian Law.
Tell me, from where do you think these British, Roman, Greek and Egyptian Laws come? (If you say one word about spaghetti so help me!) I do not claim to have the ability to keep up with you in regards to these ancient History facts my friend but what I do have is a mind and a heart open to both God and truth. You say that God's Law was not derived from Judaism nor Christianity and I agree. I believe Gods Law has been in effect and written on the hearts of every man since before recorded history.So there is no need to convince me that neither Moses nor Paul the Apostle penned morality as we know it. When I say God's law I mean God's Law. And thats a Law that has been around since...well I reckon for longer than either of us could ever imagine anyway. The fact that bits and pieces of that Law have been recorded by various men in various generations, in countless nations is but a reminder that it is in fact not the work of man.
 Apologist~D.A
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Msg: 38 (view)
 
How important is Political Compatibilty in DATING?
Posted: 6/5/2009 12:30:45 PM
Umm..according to the U.S. Census Bureau, 142 million U.S. citizens age 18 and over (an astounding 72 percent) reported they were either registered Republican or Democrat voters. *In deep thought*
So according to your philosophy, we got enough tools in this nation to build a Craftsman Empire.
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Msg: 35 (view)
 
Sex for gasoline -- how many gallons per encounter.......
Posted: 6/5/2009 12:11:15 PM
You guys are having waaaay to much here. He he. I needed the laugh today.
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Msg: 120 (view)
 
Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 6/5/2009 12:06:19 PM

Negative perceptions of Islam increasing?

Well, that's our obviously liberal media for you... [sarcasm]
Please tell me this is not an attempt at claiming the media isn't bias and more liberal than Whoppi G.. I dont think I could withstand the heart crushing mockery.
 Apologist~D.A
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Msg: 31 (view)
 
NAACP Wins Dictionary Battle
Posted: 6/5/2009 11:38:30 AM
Lot of good points brought up here. Just a few pennies to share:
A girlfriend of mine who is black refers to me (obviously not black) as "my n*gga" quite often. I am not offended because she doesnt use the term to insult me, rather as an endearment. If she were to say it without the affection that she has for me I doubt that I would appreciate it much..so, Charlie's right. Context matters. Would I refer to her as "my n*gga"? *in deep thought* No. I feel as though the stigma that surrounds the use of the word, by white folks, is not worth the possibility of any vilification of my character. Moving on~
OP Words are words and nothing more. When we lack character qualities such as humility and compassion, when we become enraged we seek means to inflict pain on other people and having the self-discipline to refrain from using physical force, we will lash out with our tongues. This is a sad fact. This will always be a sad fact. We could all join hands, sing Kumbaya and ban each and every hurtful word ever spoken.

And by morning we'd have 6 million new ones.
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 35 (view)
 
How important is Political Compatibilty in DATING?
Posted: 6/5/2009 10:53:26 AM
I've known Christians who are democrats and independents, and American Independents, and green party members, being a Christian does not mean that you have to be Republican
A few years ago, *ABC News released a report claiming that eighty-three percent of Americans identify themselves as Christians. However, just this year, the Barna Research Group said only 37 percent of Americans now report going to church on a given Sunday. Now, I'm not saying that if you don't attend church that you're not Christian but rather we can safely say that this data does tend to lead us to the conclusion that all who say that they are Christian are not necessarily so. Point is, let us not assume that every bloke off the street that claims to follow Christianity is indeed Christian.
And the democratic party have been inventing fun new way strategies to change the perception that Christian means 'Republican' for a reason. Most Christian conservatives are Republican. One would have to be a fool to deny that fact and I will dig up some stats if necessary. If we factor in the false confessions of faith into the equation, I reckon we'd have staggering numbers.




* http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/beliefnet_poll_010718.html
 Apologist~D.A
Joined: 2/28/2008
Msg: 21 (view)
 
Mary Kay LeTourneau
Posted: 6/5/2009 10:07:53 AM
Admittedly, the whole Hot Teacher night exposed total lack of discretion on both their parts (we can no longer blame Mary alone as Vili is an adult now), imprudence has never been a trait shes been know for, huh?
At any rate, I'll go out on a limb here and say that I do not believe that she deserved to serve the prison sentence that she received. Call me a sexist if ya so desire but I think as a society we need to get a grip on reality sometimes.
 
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