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 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 24 (view)
 
Help guys-does he just want to be friends
Posted: 12/24/2009 10:46:29 AM

That's harsh don't you think? I have good character thank you. He told me he was leaving that's why I have stuck it out and asked advice.

He TOLD you he was leaving, but hasn't. You KNEW that, but still chose to get involved. Maybe you don't understand that more often than not, when someone is cheating on a spouse/SO, they tell the person that they're cheating with any number of stories: he/she treats me bad - I'm leaving her/him - etc., etc., etc. They say these things because it temporarily satisfies the person they're cheating with and somehow justifies their infidelity.

Put yourself in his spouse's/SO's position and tell me how you'd feel. You're in a relationship (maybe living with your man) and then find out that he's messing with other women and telling them BS lies about you & the relationship. Wouldn't that bother/hurt you??

It takes 2 to tango and if they both know that one or the other are still involved with someone else, then IMO they're BOTH doing something wrong and lack character. Whether you're the cheater of the "cheatie", IMO you're an incredibly selfish & uncaring person.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 15 (view)
 
Help guys-does he just want to be friends
Posted: 12/24/2009 7:07:07 AM
^^^Ditto!^^^

Come on OP, the guy sounds like a POS and the fact that you KNOW he's in a relationship and are still willing to play, speaks volumes about your character.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 27 (view)
 
Three-Month No Contact - Then What?
Posted: 12/23/2009 9:21:19 AM

And the dragon finally rears its ugly head...LOL....I guess you need to continue to find where the "true north" is buster!!!

I'm not sure exactly what that means however, I would tell my own daughter the same thing if she ever found herself in the same situation. Of course, she never would, but that's beside the point.


I have posted on here to ask for help in understanding a dynamic and not to be attacked. I don't like being attacked and told I am crazy or stupid or whatever. Save that for the mirror!!!

Help in understanding the dynamic?? The fact that you can't SEE the dynamic, lends itself to my interpretation that you need professional help. You obviously aren't going to listen to anyone here (unless they agree with you) so, my suggestion to see a counselor or psychologist was made so that you could entertain the idea of getting professional help in understanding the dynamic. Asking those questions here is basically a crap shoot - sooo many different opinions. By posing your question/s in the proper venue (a therapists office), you will be able to get honest & professional responses without feeling attacked or judged. There have been times in my life where I have sought professional counseling and it has helped immensely. Often times, just sitting there and stating the question/s out loud makes a light bulb go off in your own head and suddenly, everything becomes much clearer. IMO, that's what you need to do in order for you to start having healthy & thriving relationships with men who reciprocate. Otherwise, you're just stuck in the same, unhealthy cycle and depriving yourself of true happiness. If that's OK with you, then so be it, but personally, I couldn't live that way. Just ask yourself, are you truly happy with the relationship/arrangement? My guess is that your answer would be NO. So, take the steps to enable yourself to be happy. I can assure you that a 3 month hiatus from this man, isn't going to change a thing.

Good luck!
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 23 (view)
 
Three-Month No Contact - Then What?
Posted: 12/23/2009 8:43:00 AM

He has lived with his ex (not married and never were) now for ten years and I knew from the start that was the deal. They have had separate love lives for that long as well. She has a boyfriend and she knows (knew) about me. They are together for their daughter.

The fact that he says they're together "for their daughter" shows that he (and his "ex") don't have a clue about what's good & bad and right & wrong. What kind of an example is that to set for their daughter?? Mom & Dad live together, but both have BF's & GF's... preposterous! Further, the fact that you knew about the situation and condoned it speaks volumes about your ability/willingness to make wise choices in life.


It is not for you to judge me, I asked you for your honest opinions about the matter and I don't take kindly to the judgment. I am not you. Period. Yes, we have different ways of doing things and seeing things and living things.

And here we go with the same old crap from you. When you start a thread like this and ask for opinions, the rest is out of your control. If you aren't ready to hear those opinions, about every aspect of the situation, then don't start threads. Did you really think that everyone was going to agree with you here?


I have a healthy self-esteem, that is why I left. I asked for three months of no contact because it felt right to ask for that. Don't ask me why I didn't do something differently because that is now in the past. I have blocked him and I do not intend on answering any calls to me in two months.

NO, if you had a healthy self esteem, you wouldn't have gotten involved with someone like him to begin with. The fact that you asked for 3 months of no contact, just wreaks of desperation and again, the inability to make wise & healthy choices/decisions.


My question was to the gentlemen about how they perceive his wanting to reconnect with me in three months. I had never thought that perhaps he has a hard time letting go. I am having a hard time as well, obviously, but I know I did the right thing.

You did the right thing?? All you did was give this guy the opportunity to start bangin some other emotionally/psychologically damaged woman for 3 months. I'm sorry for describing his "women" that way, but no woman in her right mind would get involved with a man who still lives with his girlfriend of TEN YEARS.


Has anyone had this experience before and has anyone successfully maintained a rewarding friendship with someone after three months of no contact?

I can honestly say that I don't know ANYONE who ever put themselves in this position. Then again, my friends are pretty secure and have their wits about them.

What is going to happen is, he's either going to move on to some other clueless & desperate woman AND/OR he's going to wait 3 months, contact you, knowing that you'll go right back into the same arrangement where nothing has changed. You see, at this time, you don't have the ability to learn from, or even acknowledge your mistakes and that's a crucial part of growing up & maturing. I would suggest that you take the 3 month hiatus and see a counselor or psychologist. Explain the situation, just as you have explained it here and get some professional feedback. The response may surprise you, because what you're doing is just not normal OR healthy.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 5 (view)
 
Three-Month No Contact - Then What?
Posted: 12/22/2009 8:17:32 PM

I guess I am wondering if and how it is possible to remain friends with this man whom I fell for so hard.

Of course it's possible however, that's not really what you want. It's obvious that you're in love with him and that "remaining friends" is just another way of staying close to him in the hopes that things will rekindle. You're not fooling anyone, except maybe yourself...

Frankly, the "3 month - no contact" thing sounds ridiculous to me. No one in their right mind does something like that. Especially with a married man who, even after TWO YEARS, doesn't care enough about you to divorce his WIFE or at the very least, stop living with her. It sounds like essentially, you're his woman-on-the-side. IMO, the whole situation has DYSFUNCTION written all over it.

It looks like it's going to be up to you to break the cycle and move on to someone more compatible (and DIVORCED). On/off relationships just aren't healthy.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 18 (view)
 
says i love you but wont commit
Posted: 12/22/2009 7:54:13 PM

actually...he wants to keep seeing me.
but he does love me for real and he did say that he will not stand in my way and i deserve someone who will commit to me.
so that hurts me...but he is honest. and i guess that is love....like you said

Huh? You call that love?? That's nothing more than a line that some guys use when they want to play on a woman's sympathies! IMO, he knows your psyche, knows how hooked on him you are, and knows exactly what to say to keep manipulating the you.

Come on girl, where is your self esteem? I'm sorry, but this guy doesn't sound like he wants anything more than to be glorified FWB's. He refuses to communicate and refuses to commit. These are NOT the things that healthy, thriving relationships are built on. You KNOW he has these issues and ISN'T going to change. Especially as long as you keep reinforcing/rewarding his bad behaviors by taking him back and indulging this latest attempt to reestablish a "relationship". Which, happens to coincide with one of the more emotional times of year for single people. Many are at their most vulnerable around the holidays and are easily manipulated by old, familiar, but failed ex-loves.

IMO, you need to find your self-worth and start actually believing (not just saying) that you DESERVE a man who will treat you right, who is looking for the same thing you are in a relationship, and is willing to commit & most importantly, communicate. Old habits are hard to break, but unless & until you do, you'll be stuck being an enabler in this viscous cycle and never be truly happy.

That's MY take on it.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Why a Xmas day date ?
Posted: 12/22/2009 7:13:29 PM

Why would you want to spend xmas day with someone ?

The holiday season does weird things to some people, emotionally. Maybe he's feeling lonely & knows that you're hooked on him & available. Seriously, come on Girl, you've been communicating for NINE months, never met, & he has already stood you up once. You have WAAAY more patience than I do. Regardless, who knows what his motive is? You can plan to meet him if you want & not if you don't.

I'm gonna be the pessimist here and say that I'd bet my house that there will be freak weather on Christmas...
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 26 (view)
 
Deleted His Profile
Posted: 12/22/2009 3:49:59 PM

Leave him alone. What reason did he have to leave pof? Many reasons, I bet.

Don't send him pics since you were only talking to him. You have never met him face to face and have no idea what he is planning to do with those pics.

Huh?? Why leave him alone? Did he HAVE to give a reason for leaving POF? The fact is, he gave her another email address so, what's the harm in contacting him? As far as the pictures go, her profile picture... well... quite frankly, it sucks. He probably just wants to get a better idea of what she looks like - perfectly normal & understandable.

OP, one way to find out if he purposely deleted his profile is to do a user name search. If he closed his account voluntarily, it will tell you when he did it. If the search comes back "empty" then he was probably removed by POF admin. Either way, email him & see what's up.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 10 (view)
 
So I got blocked
Posted: 12/22/2009 6:28:59 AM

I'm sorry....I didn't realize your Golden All Access Pass had expired, I'll get that fixed for ya right away. (sarcasm)
Maybe, just maybe this guy didn't want your brand of potty mouth in the future and decided to be blunt about it right away?

OK, now that's a bit harsh and pretty immature.

OT:
If all you did was send ONE email, I don't see why he would have blocked you. A word of advice: IGNORE your sent box, as it will only drive you crazy. You're better off just sending out emails and responding to those who reply. Further, DON'T send a followup to an unanswered email. No answer = not interested and some people will get bent outta shape/annoyed if you send them a second one. In fact, that's really the only time that I've seen someone get blocked.

Regardless, hang in there and don't let it bother you. Just keep contacting men that you're interested in.

Welcome and good luck!
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 17 (view)
 
Why lie and then...
Posted: 12/21/2009 7:55:52 AM

Now, can we actually stick to the question at hand? or is that too much to ask??

Well, I seriously doubt that his behavior is typical. I mean, I don't know ANY men who would put themselves in that position and start asking that kind of question & making those kind of comments. That being said, I don't see what your issue is. It was an arrangement made by 2 adults to just have SEX. So, why do you even care anything about his personal life? Either way... YOU PICKED HIM.

Get over it & move on to the next NSA sex partner. If things like lying, etc. are going to be an issue with you, then I'd suggest that you use a little more discretion when choose your partners.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 22 (view)
 
Why do guys freak out?
Posted: 12/20/2009 8:38:17 PM

will have time to date as soon as holiday season is over.

Then say that in your profile. I'm gonna have to side with the guys who say, if you don't have time to date, then DON'T date. As well as... in the time it took to start & post in this thread, you could have sent at least 4 Dear John letters.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 20 (view)
 
is it ok 4 2 friends to meet the same bloke from pof
Posted: 12/20/2009 8:29:32 PM

I'd like to find this blokes playbook...

How 'bout it!
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 8 (view)
 
is it ok 4 2 friends to meet the same bloke from pof
Posted: 12/20/2009 11:20:20 AM

is it ok 4 2 friends to meet the same bloke from pof

No. POF doesn't want it's members dating other members who are friends. Didn't you read that in the contract when you signed up for POF?

Seriously, rather than ask a bunch of strangers who don't know you or your friend, why not ask... wait for it... wait for it...... YOUR FRIEND!?
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 66 (view)
 
Bullying
Posted: 12/18/2009 9:19:14 AM
^^I feel very sorry for you. It sounds like the district that your kids are in is not taking anything seriously - which, in this day & age, is just plain ludacris. All I can say is that if the school counselor and/or principal are slacking in their duties, then the issue needs to go to a higher level - like the superintendent. On the upside, it seems like the campus monitor knows exactly how to handle things. The whole situation must be very frustrating for you, but it also sounds your son is learning how to deal with things properly & in a non-violent manner and that's always a good thing.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Why do you change?
Posted: 12/18/2009 6:25:43 AM

Why are men all over you in the first few months of a relationship and then after a while you start to see us as just "part of the furniture".

Because IMO, some people start having sex too early in a relationship and before they actually get to know the other person. Then the "relationship" becomes more about sex than anything else. Once the novelty of sex wears off (and is usually does), then you're left with this person that you either don't really know or who just hung onto you because of the sex.

Next time, try making the relationship about something other than sex. Try establishing a deeper, true relationship that isn't just based on physical pleasures.

That's MY take on it.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 64 (view)
 
Bullying
Posted: 12/18/2009 6:16:19 AM

A fighter needs two things to be successful in life - restraint and violence of action.

Umm, we're talking about school aged CHILDREN, not MMA's or the US Marines. You show me an ADULT who chooses physical violence as a means for conflict resolution in daily life and I'll show you a convict, ex-convict, and/or future convict. After reading your profile, it's clear that your mentality is not exactly what most people would call, typical. Frankly, I don't know one successful & positively contributing member of society who describes their "most exciting thing" as: getting nailed with a good shot and being hurt OR loving his left hook more than he loves himself. ...nuff said.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 62 (view)
 
Bullying
Posted: 12/17/2009 4:28:43 PM

It seems counterproductive for a child to learn what the real world is like, wherein going through channels doesn't always work which is why they now have whistle blower laws to protect people that go through channels and then find the only other means of dealing with the situation.

So, this is a life lesson for your kids? You're preparing them for the "real world". I have to say, I honestly can't remember one time in my adulthood where the logical solution was violence. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't defend myself if there were no other options. After all, I have a license to carry a firearm and usually do. However, I have yet to find myself in a position where fighting or using my weapon was necessary for conflict resolution. The fact is, for the average American, valid reasons for physical violence are very rare in "real life".


I don't expect any of my children if they have exhausted other solutions to stand there and get beat up without defending her or himself. You might want your child to get beat up so that he can not break the rules but still get suspended for taking a beating but I don't think my kids should ever be expected to take a beating without protecting themselves.

What other solutions have you or the school taught them? Has this bully been reported or does everyone just figure that the system will fail anyway so what's the use? If there is a paper trail on this child and he continues to be aggresive, then someone (& their attorney) should be so far up that administration's butt, they'd be tasting AquaNet.

My children were never bullied in school. However, had they have been confronted physically, they were both taught that in school, there were ALWAYS other options/solutions.

Meh, no need to respond - we obviously have different opinions & experiences and we're both probably too stubborn to back down. So, let's just agree to disagree and enjoy the holiday season!
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 4 (view)
 
Ask A Guy/Girl Forums 20 Response Lock
Posted: 12/17/2009 1:29:11 PM
Meh, I don't like it. Unless you get involved & follow a thread right from the start, it's hard to jump in 30 or 40 posts into it and still sound intelligent & not repeat what someone else might have already posted.

So Cowboy, any word from the big fish on what's going on?
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 21 (view)
 
Is it a date?
Posted: 12/17/2009 1:25:59 PM

Does it matter? Is there something you would do differently on a date vs just hanging out?


actually yes, since I am very flirty by nature. I like to be on the same page as the person I am with at the time. And I don't want to be too flirty if he's under the assumption that it's just friends chilling, since it may make him uncomfortable, and I don't want to go in there with the idea that he's already friend zoned.

Then just temper your flirtatiousness until you get a feel for where his head is at. That being said, I have to agree with those who say that you're worrying over semantics. Just go, have a good time & be sure to wear something that makes you look good when you're bending over. Because, "date" or not, he'll be checking you out. It's just human nature when playing pool!

Good luck!
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 58 (view)
 
Bullying
Posted: 12/17/2009 12:51:06 PM

This may be beyond your comprehension but some parents stand toe to toe with the school and also teach their children to fight back.

Yes, that IS beyond my comprehension. It seems completely counterproductive and sends a mixed message to the child, IMO. On one hand, you're telling him that it is important to follow the rules and use proper channels to solve problems and on the other, you're telling him to lower himself to the level of the "bully" and BREAK the rules.


What steps are these?

In ours schools, it's fellow students & faculty witnessing bully-like or aggressive behaviors and then reporting it to their guidance counselor or vice principal. From there, the "bully" is approached in a non-confrontational manner and spoken to. His/her parents are also contacted (by phone initially) and made aware of the situation. All of this, BEFORE any physical violence has taken place. Usually, this is all it takes to straighten things out. However, on occasion, the "bully" may be asked to have some extra meetings with the guidance counselor, especially if they suspect that there are problems at home. At NO time is ANYONE encouraged or given the "go ahead" to physically retaliate.

Frankly, I'm shocked at the number of US schools that allegedly don't enforce their no tolerance policies. These are the schools where parents need to be more vocal and use the proper channels to get their point across. If that means threatening legal action, then so be it. Sometimes that's what it takes for people to start listening. By the same token, giving your child the "OK" to physically retaliate also sets YOU up for potential legal action - both criminal and civil. No matter what the provocation, physical violence is prohibited in school and whether it's in "retaliation" or not, it's still a punishable offense.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 54 (view)
 
Bullying
Posted: 12/17/2009 7:11:03 AM

Half of this crap happens when a teacher is standing right there and they usually do nothing.

And this is OK with you?? If no one ever stands up and says "Hey, this is WRONG", then the system will continue to be broken. So IMO, if this is going on and parents choose to teach their kids to fight back, rather than raise hell with school administrators, they're only contributing to the problem and doing NOTHING to rectify it. Take action where it will be most effective and acting on the student level is highly ineffective.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 25 (view)
 
How significant is meeting a guy's friends/parents?
Posted: 12/16/2009 8:04:51 PM

I'm not in his head so I can't say whether he had planned on me meeting the people in his life or if it was just cause it was convenient and since I was there he wasn't gonna break plans with anyone, so he decided to just go ahead with it.

Well, he knew you were coming, right? If that's the case, it sounds more to me like he planned it that way, for whatever reason. Maybe he's shy, maybe he thought he'd feel more comfortable with you if he had familiar people around, maybe he's caught up in a whirlwind romance and is getting way ahead of himself? Who knows?? However, IMO it's hard to really get to know someone without spending one on one face time with them.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 1 (view)
 
Ask A Guy/Girl Forums 20 Response Lock
Posted: 12/16/2009 1:20:38 PM
Why is it that some of the threads in these forums have extended far beyond the 20 response limit? One of them is up to 35 and counting.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 170 (view)
 
Parental duties and the third wheel.
Posted: 12/16/2009 12:49:47 PM

It is outrageous that your wife can cheat on you, dump you, take your son and try to replace you with the man with whom she was cheating. It is so unfair.

You should take her to court and file for 100% custody.

ANOTHER person who didn't read the whole thread. If we follow your logic, then the child should be placed in a foster home because OP cheated too! Further, no one ever said that his ex was trying to replace him with her "new" (it's been SIX YEARS) man. OP was/is upset about his ex's man wanting to go to his son's parent/teacher conference - that's it.

Come on people, read the whole thread before you make these completely unfounded & ridiculous posts/comments.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 16 (view)
 
would like to know your feelings
Posted: 12/16/2009 9:29:39 AM

Should I go ahead with these plans or should I stop everything right now. I don't want him to think I lied or took advantage of him in any way. How would you feel if you where the man in question. Would you rather know before or after?

First, I wish you all the best. Try and remember that most of the time, these things are nothing. So, try to stay positive.

Personally, I would want to know however, I'd maybe wait until you actually meet the guy in person to see how it goes. If you seem to hit it off, then work it into the conversation. That's where it will get tricky, IMO. Some people would have no problem hanging in there and fighting the battle with you (if it came to that). While others just aren't cut out for that kind of thing. Either way, I think that it's best to be honest about these kinds of things.

Again, I wish you much luck!
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 29 (view)
 
Sugar daddys and dating.
Posted: 12/16/2009 9:15:12 AM
No, of course it wouldn't be OK.

However, my big question is... how did a thread that is supposed to be locked after 20 responses, end up with THIRTY of 'em!??
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 165 (view)
 
Parental duties and the third wheel.
Posted: 12/16/2009 9:07:07 AM

so the politically correct remain in power and control. which were the only course remaining given what were their purposes and unawareness of lifes questions they chose not to regard.

??? wha, wha, what!?? I've read this sentence over & over and still don't have a clue what it's supposed to mean.


as for the young man as op. i believe his concerns to be not only valid but compelling.
and most of you which would dismiss his value of child care and concern also dismiss the best interests of the child.

OK, it's BLATANTLY obvious that you have NOT read the entire thread here and as such, your "contributions" are to be negated and can only be interpreted as self-serving. Apparently, you have an agenda. Although, I have yet to figure out what it is...


as for those of you which manipulate extra-marital affairs as cause to disturb infancies.

get a life. i won't let you beat up babies to keep the cost of your genders high.

My friend, you aren't making ANY sense here. In fact, I don't see how you aren't embarrassed by your posts. The ONLY person who understands them or what you're attempting to accomplish, is YOU. I'd ask you to explain, but it's been proven that that would be a futile request.


op. if you need help understanding that value for social translation to make your life some easier in the light of denialists...i advise you to share it again. and i will if you don't mind....bolster it......for everybody which neglects children value in it also.

Now I'm SURE that you don't have a clue. The OP initially came here allegedly seeking opinions & allies. However, as the thread progressed, his true motives were revealed, as was his twisted and archaic way of thinking. Most everyone else who posted stressed the importance of putting his son's well being ahead of everything else, including his own fragile ego. The OP, instead, chose to ignore the advice that he sought and rather, chose to try and further persecute his ex wife and her partner of SIX years. The one who appears to have been the most negligent in valuing his child IS the OP. So, there is nothing for him to "bolster".

In the future, do yourself a favor and READ THE WHOLE THREAD before you post. It may save you a lot of embarrassment.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 21 (view)
 
How significant is meeting a guy's friends/parents?
Posted: 12/16/2009 6:02:19 AM

Who knows, it could be important maybe not. I met a guy from here and he called me the first night, we talked for 3 hours and he invited me to his parents lake house, I met them, it was the first time meeting him and his Mother answered the door, hugged me, kissed my cheek and introduced herself then I met him and he shook my hand, still makes me laugh.

I'm sorry, but IMO this is just a little creepy. Especially at your/his age. It sounds like the guy was/is a mama's boy who needed her there to either "approve" of you OR to help him "sell" him to you. Yeah... kinda creepy.

It's also very dangerous to do a meet & greet at someone's home, regardless of how long you've spoken on the phone. Come on Girl, surely you knew that??
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 14 (view)
 
How significant is meeting a guy's friends/parents?
Posted: 12/15/2009 3:11:09 PM
^^So, all of these things that you weren't "planning" on happening DID just sorta happen? Oh, to be young & dumb again... I don't miss it for a minute!

I reiterate, you need to slow down, at least until you're able to actually have control over what does or doesn't happen. Christ, I wish I had a dollar for every time that I heard a woman say, "I didn't PLAN on getting pregnant. It just sorta happened."

Understand that I mean no offense. I would tell my own daughter the exact same thing.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 9 (view)
 
How do you tell your child his father is a dead-beat convict?
Posted: 12/15/2009 3:00:46 PM

They always say, be honest. Don't lie to your kid bc they will someday find out the truth and hate you for lying.

You CAN be honest and still not crush your son emotionally. You simply tell him that his Dad has made some mistakes - like parents & grown ups sometimes do. Hopefully, one day he'll get his life back on track and be able to spend time with him. But until then, he has a happy, loving family right here.

Frankly, I'm more concerned about YOUR attitude. OK, so the guy screwed up... again, but the fact that he's asking for pictures of his son shows that he does have an interest in him. By you denying that to him, you could be ruining any chance of the two of them having any kind of a relationship in the future and IMO, that's really unfair. It's kind of understandable that you'd be PO'd however, YOU put yourself in this position. What you need to do now is to take advantage of any opportunity that you have to make things right between your ex & his/your son. Bad mouthing your ex in front of your son and not letting him have access to his father will eventually cause him to suffer emotionally. Just do what's right for your son and put your own feelings aside.

That's MY take on it.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 12 (view)
 
How significant is meeting a guy's friends/parents?
Posted: 12/15/2009 2:40:05 PM

P.S. Your gorgeous.... how could he not like you!

OMG... yeah, because physical beauty is what's really important.

OT:
Generally, if a guy is interested in a girl, he'll introduce her to the people that are important in his life. I have to say though, it sounds to me like you guys are moving waaay too fast. I mean, it's only been 2 weeks and you're already spending weekends with him, meeting his family, and planning to spend Christmas together!? I hate to be the pessimist here, but the forums are FULL of stories just like yours and rarely do they end up well. IMO, there's NO WAY that you could possibly know enough about this guy to be meeting parents and making long term plans at this point. I'd advise you to slow down... A LOT.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 157 (view)
 
Parental duties and the third wheel.
Posted: 12/15/2009 1:27:21 PM
^^^I hear ya'. IF the ex was/is psycho, why would he wait six years to do anything about it? Frankly, it seems to me that the ex is probably the stable one. It IS a shame that children have to be exposed to parents like him, though. I'd bet my house that his animosity towards his ex is very evident when he has his son. Kids pick up on that kinda thing, no matter how subtle it is. Sad situation.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 155 (view)
 
Parental duties and the third wheel.
Posted: 12/15/2009 11:58:04 AM
futureshock & windroper, OP cheated during the marriage too! So, he is FAR from innocent in all of this.


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let me know if you want me in on this one op. if you don't ...i can accept that.

conscious soul dude.

what i will do mr. is give some views to all your contributions. i have read your profile.

quite impressive. but you sure ain't ready for me. so you were well advised to back off.

but when you feel ready you just let me know mr. ...i am always looking to square off with a kiss ass politico that thinks himself or herself ready for cradle robbing.

Ummm, square off? Kiss ass politico?? Cradle robbing???

Again, this appears to be more nonsensical drivel. Is anyone else able to understand what this guy is on about?? If so, PLEASE enlighten the rest of us!
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 12 (view)
 
Guys..would you still be interested in a past relationship?
Posted: 12/15/2009 9:00:47 AM

Is there any chance he might still be interested or was he just getting my number as a friendly gesture?

Of course there's a chance that he's interested. It's funny that you started this thread because I'm going through the VERY SAME thing. I ran into my old HS sweetheart on Thanksgiving eve - she was really the first true love of my life and we dated for 3 years back then. I already had her phone number (given to me a year ago by a friend of hers), but I never made the time to call her. After running into her a few weeks ago, seeing her in person, and seeing her reaction to me, I called her. As it turns out, we are very different people than we were in HS, but also the same in a lot of ways. Frankly, she has changed dramatically in the physical sense, as have I, but not to the extent that she has. Anyway, we went out to lunch, got caught up - even though we hadn't been in contact for over 25 years, I found out that by shear coincidence, she named both of her kids the same names as mine! Which, I thought was pretty freaky and kinda cool. We've had a few phone calls since then and will probably get together again at some point. While I doubt that she's "the one" for me at this point, it IS nice reminisce and share a few laughs, etc. Maybe something will develop, but who knows?

The point is OP, I could certainly see some sort of "connection" happening with an old flame. If you have his phone number, it surely couldn't hurt to give him a call to tell him that you think it might be nice to get together and catch up on old times. No harm in that, right?

Good luck!
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 149 (view)
 
Parental duties and the third wheel.
Posted: 12/15/2009 8:19:23 AM
^^^...all I can say is, WOW. If my mind was that disheveled, I'd probably be asking my doctor to adjust my medication dosages.


very few respond to my submissions....and why...because they are not politically correct submissions.

No, I'm more than pretty sure that people don't respond because they have no clue what your point or objectives are. Seriously my friend, 99% of what you post makes sense only to you. I can't tell if you're a religious, political, or "other" fanatic. Your writing style is reminiscent of 4th grade and the content... well, the content is just baffling.

What you need to do is to go back and read the ENTIRE thread - not just bits & pieces. As it progresses, the OP's motives and general refusal to accept anyone's opinions but his own becomes very evident. BTW, NOWHERE is rape or persecution mentioned. So, where all of that comes from, I have no clue. Perhaps you can enlighten us and remember, try to respond concisely & coherently because most of us are NOT on the same wave length as you.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 137 (view)
 
Parental duties and the third wheel.
Posted: 12/14/2009 5:38:03 PM
^^^Complete and utter nonsense!^^^
 Navigator6
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Msg: 16 (view)
 
Advice re dating
Posted: 12/14/2009 6:44:44 AM

I know what i want-which is to continue spending time with him. And if that led to something on an ongoing basis (not a FWB)/a relationship then i think i would be ok with that.

OP, he's just not that into you. Why try to force something with an "unwilling partner"??
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 17 (view)
 
Question
Posted: 12/14/2009 6:33:59 AM

I'm pretty sure that all guys are breast men

Nope, I'm an ass man. I could care less about the size of a woman's breasts and I was breast fed. I don't think that there's any correlation between being breast fed and growing up to be a "breast man".
 Navigator6
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Msg: 9 (view)
 
Controlling or Oversensitive
Posted: 12/14/2009 6:29:38 AM
OP, 2 months is not a very long time to be together. You're still in the process of learning about each other. I mean, that's what "dating" is all about. Often times, during that process, we discover things about the other person that are considered deal breakers and it sounds like that's what is happening.

The bottom line is that if you aren't comfortable with the situation, then bail. Like I said, 2 months is nothing in the dating world - it's not like you're married with children at this point.
 Navigator6
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Msg: 131 (view)
 
Parental duties and the third wheel.
Posted: 12/13/2009 5:31:39 PM
^^^hehehe, Man, with every post you make, you just keep further proving your ignorance...

My friend, you really should just stop and let this thread die. However, something tells me that that will prove very hard for you to do.
 Navigator6
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Msg: 21 (view)
 
Co-Parenting
Posted: 12/13/2009 11:27:41 AM

I am not looking for just a donor, I am looking for a father and a good father not just any joe smoe.

So, you're looking for a good man/father, while you're still in love with your ex?? How fair is that to ANY man that you get involved with? The LAST thing that I'd want to do is get all involved and attached to a woman and then find out that she's still hung up on an ex. Not cool! Why don't you take some time to get over the guy that you just broke up with and then start fresh. Right now, you sound really desperate and maybe aren't thinking clearly.

I have to say though, there is a certain stigma that surrounds women in your situation. Men start to ask themselves: at her age, why hasn't she ever been married or had children? The answers could be many, but the ones that come to mind first are: she's either extremely picky OR... is a bit of a b!tch - no offense.

OP, I'm sure that there are men out there who would be willing to start a family at your/their age, but it's going to be an uphill battle. Just don't do something out of desperation, that you might regret later.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 14 (view)
 
How do you deal with the connection with the father of your child if your not together?
Posted: 12/13/2009 11:10:13 AM
OK, I'm going to be the d!ck here and say, why the hell are so many posters saying that they feel sorry for OP or that you're sorry that she's going through this?? SHE put herself in this situation - no one else. She's 22, has a 7 month old and is pregnant AGAIN, by some guy who isn't involved in her life. It sounds to me like she doesn't have a clue about how to make wise choices in life. I mean, the idea is to be sure the guy is a decent person BEFORE you spread your legs & have unprotected sex with him. The LAST thing she needs right now is a new man (christian or not) to drag into the quagmire that is her life. She needs to step back from chasing men and focus on the tasks at hand - her children. Take some time to reflect on her mistakes, maybe mature a little bit, and learn about BIRTH CONTROL.

OP, good men are all over the place. The problem is that you don't know how weed them out from the rest of the herd. Until you learn how to recognize AND acknowledge red flags, you're going to have the same issues. Frankly, I think that you should seek some professional help so that you can figure out what makes you choose the men that you choose.
 Navigator6
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Msg: 25 (view)
 
Joint Bank Account
Posted: 12/11/2009 4:29:37 PM

If you find "the one" and decide to co-habitate would you consider a joint bank account?

NEVER. The only time I would "intermingle" money is after marriage. I've seen too many bad things happen when unmarried people have done it.
 Navigator6
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Msg: 33 (view)
 
Bullying
Posted: 12/11/2009 12:22:28 PM

Protecting the rights of bullies is all that is accomplished with the "no defending yourself" attitude of schools.

No one is saying that their rights should be defended. The "defense" is in the form of educating children on how to deal with bullies BEFORE the violence starts.


Schools do need to identify at risk youth and do what they can to address that issue...both bullies and the bullied are at risk youth.

Restorative Justice programs can be effective but again if the root cause of the behaviour isn't addressed, the behaviour will continue or escalate into something much worse. Unfortunately, the root behaviour usually stems from the family and it is out of the control of the school system. Perhaps they should be bringing back in the schools for "bad kids".....keep the little buggers away from everyone else.

You're right, the root cause of these behaviors is usually at home. That's why it's important for everyone to be involved in the solution. The parents of "problem" children need to acknowledge their responsibility and/or at the very least be willing to work with school administration towards correcting the issues. If they don't and the behaviors continue, then the child IS removed from normal school and placed in the school for "bad kids" - YES, those schools still exist!

As for big pacific's last post, I'm not even going to attempt to respond to it, as I'm more than pretty sure it would be futile.
 Navigator6
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Msg: 30 (view)
 
Bullying
Posted: 12/11/2009 10:46:14 AM

My point is, if some can handle it, why is acceptable by you for others to act on it? You are right, I am young, which gives me a couple benefits. For one, i've actually ATTENDED schools since Columbine, and have my finger on the pulse of bullying in schools at current FAR more than some 50 year old that hasn't been in school since the 70's. You're swat team, 3 sherriffs and Chuck Norris himself wasn't there, your simplistic analyzation of Columbine shows that the comprehension of adults of the bullying across this country is limited at best.

How can you even imply this!?? This is sooo off base. Columbine was the catalyst that put everything into motion and there was nothing simplistic about it. Professionals with a lot more knowledge and experience than "children who lived it" were brought in to analyze every aspect of what took place there. Not just the psychology & thought processes of the perpetrators, but also the actions of students, faculty, & local law enforcement during the ordeal. The WHOLE situation was studied & scrutinized and the results were used to help design an agenda to be followed in order to not only prevent this from happening again, but also how to deal with it if it does. The policies are constantly being updated and are NEVER put on a back burner. School districts have a lot at stake here - not only with the safety of their children & faculty, but also with potentially devastating lawsuits from parents whose children may suffer injury (or worse) as a result of the school district's neglect in protecting them. Technically, any kid who continues to be bullied at school, has a valid reason to file suit against not only the bully & his/her parents or guardians, but also the school and its administration for not taking the steps to protect them while in their care.

Your contention that my age means that I'm out of touch with reality is completely unfounded. Your Chuck Norris comment only shows your level of immaturity. Further, the fact that you have NO CHILDREN of your own, but still choose to peruse, comment, & make wild unsubstantiated accusations in the Single Parents forum, might lead some to believe that your agenda is something other than upstanding & helpful.

The bottom line is that you have NO CLUE of the seriousness with which our district and MANY others around the country take these situations. SWAT, local law enforcement agencies, and faculty periodically perform drills & training exercises onsite, in order to hone their skills in the event of a Columbine-like intrusion. Several times throughout the school year, children (from grammar school on up) participate in specialized programs designed to educate them about bullying and promote awareness of it's affects. I feel incredibly sorry for ANY student who is forced to attend a school where the same seriousness isn't demonstrated. These are the schools where more parents need to take action and demand that something be done. Unfortunately, like many other aspects of parenting, some choose to take the easy way out and are then left to deal with the fallout. So, you can either be a lazy parent and just tell your kid to fight back against a bully OR you can be a responsible parent and take action where it will do the most good and have the best long term benefit. The choice is up to you. Personally, I'm ecstatic about choosing to get involved and the progress that was made & still continues to be improved upon. If the whole process prevented even ONE child from being bullied or helped ONE bully to have turned his life around, then I'd call it a success. The truth is, I'm sure it went much further than that and that's a great feeling.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 28 (view)
 
Bullying
Posted: 12/11/2009 8:58:03 AM

You're assuming the school actually enforces the zero tolerance policy.

No, not an assumption at all. I KNOW that it is strictly enforced. As part of a 22 person task force that was organized in May of 1999, myself, along with school administrators, student representatives, 3 local police chiefs, local SWAT representatives, and fire officials, drafted the policies in order to PREVENT and handling tragedies like the Columbine massacre. Trust me, there IS a ZERO tolerance policy and it IS enforced.


So you would punish the victim of an attack for defending themselves? It amazes me even more that you think that violence is NEVER an option. A woman can't defend herself from a rapist? I can't defend myself with violence from a man trying to rob/murder/assault me?

We're not talking about rapists, robbers, or murderers. We're talking about bullies at school. In the school environment, there are ALWAYS other options... ALWAYS.


I'd argue the REASON they murdered 13 of their classmate, is that for their entire lives, a bunch of "experts" told them it was unacceptable to defend themselves from the attacks of the bullies that plagued them their entire lives. If they could have had the ability to punch their physical attacker in the mouth, without rebukement from the likes of you, you could have saved 13 lives. It was a LACK of an ability to fight back that led to the extreme nature of columbine. YOU and people like you left them no avenue.

Do some research, my friend. These boys didn't grow up in what you'd call "ideal" households. There was very little interaction from their parents and their behaviors at school, while obvious & recognized, were never addressed. The idea now is for school personnel and fellow students to recognize these types of behaviors and to deal with them - IE: get these kids the help that they need. Implying that everything would have been fine if they'd have had the ability to punch out other kids is archaic!


You made me laugh out loud. So our kids are to "reason" with the kids beating the shit out of them?

You see, the ideals ingrained in your mind are inhibiting your ability to see the bigger picture here. In our schools, at least since 1999, there are no kids beating the shit out of other kids - it just doesn't happen. Why? Because the strict no tolerance policy has been enforced and the kids KNOW what will happen if they break the rules - immediate expulsion and prosecution. It also doesn't happen because "problem" children are receiving the help that they need, thanks to the special programs designed to teach children to recognize and report "problem" children.


So we are to ask the VICTIMS of the abuse to provide help to the providers of the abuse? Whats next, domestic abuse victims trying to "counsel" their abusive spouse? A rape victim "talk" with a rapist about their anger displacement? Hell i should probably reach out to the guy that stabbed me, i bet he had a ton of issues.

Again, you're twisting this into something it isn't and trying to use that as "ammunition". We're not talking about capitol crimes committed by adults. We're talking about bullies at school and YES, the victims ARE supposed to do their part in order for the aggressor the get the help they need. By recognizing potential bullies or those with bullying characteristics, students and faculty are able to intervene before things progress to the physical level. These policies have been in affect for 10 years and the results have been dramatic and highly effective in eliminating bullying and physical violence. Frankly, I feel sorry for any school district that has dropped the ball when it comes to bullying. So many states offer a plethora of programs designed for this purpose and for a school to not take advantage of these opportunities is a gross misuse of funding.


There are TONS of people out there with f*cked homelives that don't bully, so i'm NOT going to coddle some kid because HE decides to vent his frustrations in his life on MY child.

You're correct, there are MANY children whose emotional/psychological problems don't manifest themselves in the way of physical violence. Those aren't the kids that we're so concerned about. The main focus is on those who have resorted to bullying as their outlet or appear to be heading in that direction. My friend, you are 27 years young and have no children of your own. Your "fvck that" attitude may very well change once you've had a chance to experience this with your own children.


Im still sending my daughter and her friends to meet him tonight..the kids that are threatening him from his youth club are 15/16 years old..my son is 11, and even if he was a fighter? the age difference and size difference is a little unfair-they think T is on his own with no one to defend him and an easy target. There will be no violence as i wont allow it, but im hoping a warning from kids their own age will sink in.

I'm sorry, but I have to ask, where is the adult supervision in this youth club? Is there any?? Are they not trained to intervene when one child is being targeted? If not, why aren't you in there raising hell with whoever is in charge about what has been happening to T? If the adults involved routinely turn a blind eye to these actions, are these really the kind of adults that you want being in charge of your son while he's there? I sure as hell wouldn't want some inept, uneducated, glorified adult-baby sitter watching over ANYONE'S kids in an environment like that. Sending your older daughter to fend off your son's aggressors is ludacris. It's not their responsibility to do so - it's the responsibility of the ADULTS involved. As a parent, YOU are one of the adults involved. So, rather than sending in the troops, why not go directly to the administration and demand that it be dealt with in the proper fashion? Failure to do so only contributes to the problem.


Navigator, walking away is better but most bullies grow out of the physical aspect of it when they are adults although they probably get into brawls at bars, but you cannot prevent another kid from getting physical no matter how hard you try to avoid or follow appropriate channels.

Most schools have a zero tolerance policy and most don't do a great job of enforcing them. Bullies are also smart, until he hits the kid, he can torture him in hundreds of ways. The situation is escalating and the threats of cornering this kid out of sight of adults is a problem that won't go away with wishful thinking. This boy needs to be able to defend himself, particularly if he may be attacked by more than one child.

This is exactly what these programs are designed to prevent. When a child displays the signs of "torturing" without being physically violent, THAT'S the time to intervene and get him the help that he needs. It's up to other students and faculty to recognize these actions and to take proactive measures to ensure that it never progresses to physical violence.

All of you parents who are telling your children to fight back if they are picked on, are only exacerbating the issue. You should be going to your school administrators and DEMANDING that policies be put in place to deal with these situations. Go to school board meetings, write letters, make phone calls, etc., etc. and INSIST that programs be taught so that faculty and students understand the proper way to handle "problem" children. Of course, that may involve some time & hard work on your part and unfortunately, many parents feel it's just easier to tell their kids to fight back. However, fighting back does NOTHING to deal with the actual problem and is merely a temporary, quick fix. Take it from someone who has lived it and seen the results over a 10 year period, doing anything less would be remiss in your responsibility as parents.
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Why Many Put Non-Religious, Then Say Are (Cause have a religion?)
Posted: 12/10/2009 4:08:52 PM

I want someone who's sees it as most imporartant above all else.

Gee, based on your profile, we would have NO CLUE about that. You took a lot of time to tout your physical "assets" and sensuality, but said NOTHING about how important religion is to you. Further, your statement about probably not being interested in "just the average guy" certainly gives NO clue to your religious beliefs.

Sweetie, the bait that you're trolling with is not conducive to the type of fish you're trying to land!
 Navigator6
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Msg: 21 (view)
 
Bullying
Posted: 12/10/2009 3:55:13 PM

My education is Social Development and Psychology my views are based on education and life experience.

You're belief that most kids bring it on themselves is similar to suggesting a woman who is beaten by her abusive spouse was asking for it.

You may have an education in Social Development and Psychology however, you lack the ability to comprehend and in fact, even fabricated "facts" here. NO where did I say anything of the sort. The implication that I condone abuse in any form, based on your twisted interpretation of my post, shows that you are rather quick to judge & accuse. IMO, these are not qualities that someone would find favorable in a psychologist or social development specialist... So, what line of work are you in?




I do believe empowering your children by providing opportunities to increase their confidence is the key but to suggest violence is never the answer is narrow minded. A kid who punches a bully in face during physical confrontation is much better then the kid who goes home and hangs himself out of hopelessness. Bullying has changed since we were kids, go to a local high school and watch the pecking order, watch what the bullied kids have to endure.

And schools aren't equip to deal with bullies because rarely the parents of the bully see a problem or refuse to admit they have a child with problems.

Obviously things are VERY different where I live. The schools are very equipped to deal with these issues and have a ZERO tolerance policy for bullying and the like - I know, because I helped write it, right after Columbine! The child who punches an aggressor in the face during a physical confrontation is ALSO punished - and rightfully so. Frankly, it amazes me that there are those (even alleged professionals) who instill in their children that violence is a viable option. Further, your suggestion that a fighting child will be less likely to go home and hang himself is ridiculous, IMO. Again, I have to call in to question your true credentials. Eric Harris & Dylan Klebold were bullied and decided to fight back. Yes, they both committed suicide, but not before brutally murdering 13 of their classmates.

Statistically, children prone to bullying are generally dealing with a lot of inner conflict themselves. They often suffer with feelings of inadequacy, low self esteem, etc., etc. RARELY are they sadists, in the true definition of the word. By teaching our children how to be more observant and understanding of these troubled kids, through specialized school programs and reinforcement at home, we have a greater chance of turning them around. Bullies need help, not violence. IMO, for an educated professional to imply anything else, is incredibly irresponsible.
 Navigator6
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Msg: 10 (view)
 
Is it wrong to expect something like this?
Posted: 12/10/2009 12:49:06 PM

My question is do these men expect what I think they are expecting, or am I just looking too much into this?

Maybe they figure that if you're willing to show your naked butt to millions of strangers on a dating web site, that you might be willing to "put out" for someone who drove 2 hours to see you in person. Especially considering the fact that you say that you are open to trying new activities with the right kind of guy. I could easily see that being interpreted as a sexual undertone.

I am merely asking if these men are expecting to get laid just because they have to do a bit more travelling just to come out and see me.

IDK, this isn't rocket science, Hon. You figure it out...

I have to say, there IS contradiction in your profile. You checked off that you're looking for talk/email and then later write that you would like to date someone exclusively. So, which is it?
 Navigator6
Joined: 3/5/2008
Msg: 17 (view)
 
Bullying
Posted: 12/10/2009 12:33:18 PM

Also i dont know if i believe in the fighting back or not..again you raised a valid point-that being said, there's proof that fighting back works so who knows whats right.

Proof? Other than what some have written here, where is there proof that physical violence against bullies works? I'm more than pretty sure that every child psychologist & behavioral specialist would refute your claim. Meh... who are ya gonna believe, though - a bunch of strangers from a dating site or trained, educated professionals?
 
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