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mick2521

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Where do you stand on the Kinsey Scale? Posted: 7/24/2009 11:31:39 PM
Kinsey might have been criticized, but much of the criticism came from right wing Christians who were aghast at the concept of any form of male-male sexuality. In Kinsey's day, a man was always supposed to be 100% heterosexual, and that was that. Keep in mind that no scientist who deals with human subjects is ever going to have a perfect study. As for the word "bisexual", I find it irritating in the sense that it suggests a half/half ratio. In actual fact, most bisexuals lean more towards one gender than the other.

mick2521

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Bisexuality and The Confusion Behind Posted: 7/14/2009 6:31:50 AM
undesiredheart, You make a good point about the inadequacy of the word "bisexual". It suggests an even division between an attraction to men and an attraction to women when, in fact, most bisexual people lean towards one gender.

mick2521

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Bi Girls Posted: 7/13/2009 5:51:48 AM
I'm sorry but I have to disagree with some of the posts on this topic. The simple fact is that female bisexuality has a huge exploitative aspect to it, far far more exploitative than anything that could be connected to male bisexuality. That's because female bisexuality slots in with the girl-girl fetishes of many "straight" guys. A simple look at the men's adult magazines proves my point. While there are genuine female bisexuals, most of the trendy types are simply playing a role. They're doing it for fetish reasons, not orientation ones. If they're in a club, it's even more cause for suspicion. Somewhere lurking in dark corner you are likely to find her strictly straight boyfriend or husband waiting patiently for her to recruit another woman for a threesome.

mick2521

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Bisexuality and The Confusion Behind Posted: 7/13/2009 5:46:14 AM
I think a lot of the confusion arises from the frequent failure to distinguish between orientation and practice. Orientation and practice are two different things. One can be oriented to both genders but practise with only one gender. The practice is influenced by factors such as religion, upbringing, peer pressure, internalized homophobia etc etc. The words "gay" and "straight" have become almost meaningless as far as I'm concerned. They're politically correct categories for the most part, a form of division, especially in the highly polarized world of male sexuality.

mick2521

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Bi Girls Posted: 7/12/2009 7:45:08 AM
To the original poster, Maybe you've been going to a lesbian club. I'm sure you'll find many women who want to do women there. Outside of lesbian clubs, you'll occasionally find attention-seeking fake bi women hanging off their boyfriend's arm. These woman might claim they are bi while their boyfriend will claim he is straight. In this scenario, the woman is being an attention-seeker. Often, she'll have self-esteem issues which relate to how she is perceived by the man in her life. Her bisexuality is fake, a form of exploitative bisexuality, and not far from a form of prostitution.

mick2521

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FANTASY RAPE Posted: 7/6/2009 7:27:47 AM
You have to be VERY careful with these fantasy/fetish-type scenarios. You have to know your limits, basically. Each person also needs to be aware that pushing it over the limit can be hazardous to one or both parties.

mick2521

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How should I arrange a MFM threesome? Posted: 7/5/2009 6:54:50 PM
GoodmanGreg, You seem heavily biased against the concept of MFM threesomes. I'm not saying that two women aren't interested in looking for a man. However, my point is that it is relatively rare in the classifieds sections. Where FMF threesomes do arise, it's usually the case that one of the women is recruiting for her boyfriend or husband. She's doing it to make him happy, basically. I personally don't consider this to be a true threesome. If the woman is recruiting another woman for the purpose of making her boyfriend happy, she's acting more like a prostitute.

mick2521

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Conduct at P.O.F. partys A Sexuality issue Posted: 7/5/2009 5:53:18 PM
I'm not against people dancing and having a good time. But I don't see why some people feel the need to dance on a table or a bar. It seems egotistical. Keep in mind that most bars will now not allow bar or table dancing for reasons of insurance.

mick2521

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How should I arrange a MFM threesome? Posted: 7/5/2009 5:43:01 PM
MFM threesomes are much easier to achieve than FMF ones. That's because men are perpetually horny. If you look at the "casual encounters" ads on the web, for instance, there's always a good number of ads where two guys are looking for one woman. I even seen ads where a father and son want to have a threesome with a woman. There are hardly any where two women are looking for one guy, unless there's a financial transaction involved. Maybe you should try to hook up with a couple of men who are very good friends. That way, you'll have a decent chemistry all round. Just tell them.

mick2521

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Bi-Sexuality / Women Posted: 7/3/2009 4:30:05 AM
KylieKyote, Well said.

mick2521

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Conduct at P.O.F. partys A Sexuality issue Posted: 7/3/2009 4:27:04 AM
What's the point of dancing on a bar? I think those who dance on bars have low self-esteem and need to compensate by imposing themselves on the unfortunate viewer.

mick2521

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ed and masturbation Posted: 7/3/2009 4:23:40 AM
Not all men are into the coochie. It doesn't mean you're any less a red-blooded male, it simply means you might be slightly averse to this particular part of a woman's anatomy. Same applies with women. Not all heterosexual women are into the penis - in fact, some are repulsed by the notion of giving head.

mick2521

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Bi-Sexuality / Women Posted: 6/30/2009 6:47:55 PM
I think perceptions of bisexuality depend on whether it is genuine or not. Female bisexuality has been tarnished by the proliferation of these fake bi women who clearly use their sexuality as a marketing ploy or as a means of recruting women for threesomes with their boyfriends. I can understand the anger of genuine bi women whose image is being tarnished by these fake, enabling bi women.

mick2521

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Ladies, have you ever responded to a couple ad? Posted: 6/29/2009 6:43:17 AM
kiiara, So true. I think it's highly insulting when a man uses a woman to recruit another woman for a threesome. Not only is the man being dishonest but so is the woman he is using to do the recruiting.

mick2521

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Gay Stereotypes Posted: 6/29/2009 6:37:37 AM
Many of the gay stereotypes are pushed by insecure straight guys. It's a way of demonizing male homosexuality and any male-male interaction for that matter.

mick2521

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Women/Porn/Preferences Posted: 6/27/2009 3:08:13 PM
Porn distorts human sexuality. If you get off on porn, fine. But it's a distortion, first and foremost. Keep in mind the following: most porn is made by dirty old men who pay female prostitutes to have sex in front of the camera. Hardly something to aspire to, ladies.

mick2521

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Ladies, have you ever responded to a couple ad? Posted: 6/27/2009 3:06:15 PM
I don't know why any woman would want to have a sexual relationship with a couple consisting of a bisexual woman and her strictly straight boyfriend.

mick2521

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What was your MMF BISEXUAL threesome like? Posted: 6/24/2009 6:09:24 AM
I personally knew of a wife and husband who would regularly invite another man into their bedroom on a regular basis. The men were very masculine-looking and had a set routine of what was acceptable as far as the male-male interaction. No penetration between the men occurred. The focus was on the woman. The only contact between the men was occasional hand-to-genital and mouth-to-testicle.

mick2521

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your thoughts on casual sex Posted: 6/24/2009 6:05:23 AM
Casual sex is fine so long as you understand it to mean exactly what it is called - ie casual. If there is a mutual understanding of the casual nature of the encounter, no hearts will be broken.

mick2521

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bi-curious Posted: 6/24/2009 6:02:58 AM
If you're on a university campus, check out some of the social clubs. You'll meet people who are of your orientation in a social setting and then it might blossom into something more. If you're into going to nightclubs and bars, stay well away from the bi chicks who are there mainly to recruit for their sleazy, strictly straight boyfriends. I personally know of one woman who was devastated after being told that the real reason she was desirable was because the guy wanted two chicks for a threesome. Same applies when scouring the internet ads. Make sure the bi woman isn't simply recruiting you for a straight guy.

mick2521

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Men in speedo's , HOT or YUCKY..................LOL Posted: 6/21/2009 8:03:17 AM
guy for fun, Well said. Sometimes I think that women are offended by Speedos because of jealousy. Personally, I don't care if an old man walks around in Speedos. More power to him. The ability of man to shrug off the disapproval of a critic is a true sign of manhood.

mick2521

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Men in speedo's , HOT or YUCKY..................LOL Posted: 6/21/2009 7:44:51 AM
The hypocrisy of some women is mind-boggling. They seem to think that wearing a bikini is OK for women but wearing a Speedo isn't OK for men. Double standards, eh? Girls, your middle name is "hypocrite". Some men look exceptionally good in Speedos. Some women look exceptionally good in bikinis. It depends on the body. To make a blanket statement against Speedos is childish. Personally, I wear Speedos when I'm at the beach. They're better than dork shorts. At least when I'm in the water I don't feel as if I'm carrying a lead weight around me.

mick2521

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Sex parties in clubs??? Posted: 6/15/2009 8:47:13 PM
I find that sex clubs are perfect for those who look better in the dark.

mick2521

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are girls into bi men and man on man action Posted: 6/15/2009 8:44:52 PM
On the issue of bisexuality in general, there is this common misconception that female bisexuality is more common than male bisexuality. At the biological level, I don't think that's true. At the mass marketing level, it may be true. Using bisexuality as a "marketing ploy" appears to be more common in women than in men. Women generally use their overall sexuality as a ploy far more than what men do, so it naturally follows that women would stoop to practising bisexuality for the the benefit of a third party provider. But don't mistake this to mean that female bisexuality as a biological orientation is more common than male bisexuality.

mick2521

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are girls into bi men and man on man action Posted: 6/15/2009 8:39:46 PM
notpoison, You make some very valid points.

mick2521

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Threesomes...why the bias? Posted: 6/11/2009 6:30:24 AM
I think an earlier poster made the best comment thus far: "If you bring a third party into your relationship, it's you who may end up becoming the third party." So true, and a good warning to anyone who thinks a threesome might be hunky dory.

mick2521

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What is being Gay? Posted: 6/11/2009 6:26:50 AM
I think people who make inferences about a person's sexual orientation from their appearance are pretty insecure people themselves.

mick2521

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Double Penetration Posted: 6/10/2009 7:14:38 PM
Look, if you can accommodate two penises, go right ahead. It's your life. If you enjoy it, more power to you. It's very popular in porn. I reckon it's more of a voyeuristic thing rather than a participatory thing.

mick2521

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Threesomes...why the bias? Posted: 6/10/2009 7:08:55 PM
The reason there's a "bias" is because the porn industry promotes a bias. While there are plenty of MFM and FMF threesomes in most porn movies, the FMF ones are almost always shown as an interaction between all parties, including between the women. In the MFM scenario, the director cries "cut" if there's any hint of male-male touching. Also, women tend to use their sexuality as a ploy. Therefore, a woman will sometimes agree to girl-girl action to please a third party, such as her boyfriend or husband, in order to obtain some benefit from him, such as financial. Overall, I think that male sexuality is far more honest than female sexuality. Women don't need to be aroused in order to engage in sexual penetration, and they can fake orgasms as well. It lends an air of phoniness to female sexuality.

mick2521

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My bf and i want to try out a threesome. should we? Posted: 6/4/2009 6:09:17 PM
Women generally aren't into sex as much as men. A couple looking for a woman is much less likely to find success than a couple looking for a man. Some couples often complain that they can't find a woman to join them. These couples have been led to believe that women like to have sex at the drop of a hat as is depicted in porn movies. Well, guys, porn ain't the real world.

mick2521

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Bi-sexuality..... Posted: 6/3/2009 10:05:51 PM
bhi, That's an interesting perspective, although I hardly think one can draw a bow from platonic activities (like sleepovers) to sexual ones. One could just as easily argue that men play more sport than women, and are thus in constant contact with each other's bodies. Personally, I think that male bisexuality is hugely under-estimated for reasons related to social conditioning. Our perceptions of sexuality have been heavily conditioned by the porn industry. Porn is hugely biased against male bisexuality. In nearly every porn movie containing both genders, female bisexuality is allowed but male bisexuality isn't. As porn is the only industry that shows explicit sexual activity, it has undue influence on how we perceive human sexuality. A lot of adults watching porn thus get a distorted impression of the prevalence of male bisexuality in mainstream (two gender) environments. It also molds impressions and attitudes towards male bisexuality that are hugely biased against it.

mick2521

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Bi-sexuality..... Posted: 6/3/2009 7:16:31 PM
I think that most men and women are bisexual in orientation. However, if you enter into a relationship, you should be faithful to that one person. A bisexual orientation doesn't give you the right to cheat on your partner or expect him/her to allow you to dabble on the side. As for the difference between male and female bisexuality, female bisexuality has that additional exploitative aspect to it. It's exploitatative when the woman uses it as a ploy to gain some sort of benefit from her boyfriend or husband that is unrelated to her sexual experience. For instance, if a woman goes bisexual because her boyfriend likes to watch, that is an exploitative form of bisexuality. If a woman goes bisexual because it might make money for her - as you often see in prostitution - that is also an exploitative form of bisexuality. Women, generally, tend to use their sexuality as a ploy far more than what men do.

mick2521

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Girlfriends/wives catching your man viewing or having gay porn Posted: 5/28/2009 7:24:05 AM
Straight men watch gay porn all the time. Gay as in girl-girl. Girl-girl is in nearly every porn movie containing both genders. If he's watching girl-girl scenes then, by definition, he's into gay action. If he denies it's gay, he's either a liar or he's just plain wrong. By the way, does anyone think there's a preponderance of dopey men on this site? You can always tell a dopey male by his response to threads about male homosexuality. Girls, avoid these dopes.

mick2521

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Is it weird for straight girls to like female strip clubs Posted: 5/21/2009 7:58:24 AM
I just think that the whole concept of stripping or lap-dancing is moronic. What's the point of it? It seems to be an excuse for attention-seeking.

mick2521

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Men wanting women only and not other men Posted: 5/16/2009 8:00:09 AM
I personally can't stand these women who use their sexuality as a marketing ploy. There's a fakeness to it that reminds me of prostitution. It's like prostitutes who do it just for the money or other rewards. Same with female bisexuality. If it's part of a marketing ploy, it's gross. It cheapens it completely.

mick2521

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Men wanting women only and not other men Posted: 4/27/2009 6:29:31 AM
monfil, Any non-random distribution in Kinsey's sample is negated, in my view, by the fact that in the 1940's there was an enormous stigma - much worse than today - surrounding male homosexual interactions. If there was a bias towards exaggerating the breadth of homosexual feelings in his subjects, it was more than negated by the massive stigma. Kinsey also had the ability to make his male subjects comfortable. He got to know them, made them feel comfortable, and hence got more information out of them. It beats filling out a sex survey with your wife looking over your shoulder.

mick2521

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3somes Posted: 4/26/2009 6:27:00 AM
devonshiremaid, Have you ever thought that your lover is manipulating you into fulfilling his fantasies at the expense of your integrity? Think about it. Men are expert manipulators. Don't fulfil his girl-girl fetishes just because he asks you too.

mick2521

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Men wanting women only and not other men Posted: 4/26/2009 6:21:27 AM
mthomjmmark, Don't worry. I doubt any man would want to go near you....

mick2521

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Men wanting women only and not other men Posted: 4/26/2009 6:16:55 AM
monfil, Kinsey was not "totally flawed". In fact, his research is better than much of the modern research. Modern research in sex has been heavily influenced by the porn industry and its bias in favor of female bisexuality at the expense of male bisexuality. If anything is "totally flawed", it's modern sex research. Keep in mind that Kinsey conducted personal interviews at a time where male-male feelings were even more stigmatized than they are today. The fact that he was able to determine that a majority of men have same sex feelings to varying degrees proves that his research surmounted the stigmatic obstacles of the day. It adds credence to his findings. If you look at the reaction to Kinsey's study on male sexuality from the perspective of history, you'll find that the main negative reaction came from right wing Christian groups who were horrified at the thought that most men had feelings for other men at some stage in their lives. Nowadays, much of the negative reaction comes also from those who find male bisexuality offensive on the basis that it upsets the sleazy straight guy/bisexual female enabler pardigm espoused by porn. Male bisexuality effectively rips the heart out of the sleazy power plays that women play in relation to getting attention from men.

mick2521

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Men wanting women only and not other men Posted: 4/24/2009 8:11:51 PM
luv n theory Yours is a very fascinating post. It's my view that 90% of self-described straight men are oriented bisexually to varying degrees. Men are very sexual creatures to begin with, so it's not surprising that this might be the case. I think that what you really need is a man who will be faithful to you. The key word is "faithful". Regardless of his orientation, he needs to be faithful to you and you alone. Again, the key to your happiness is to have a faithful man.

mick2521

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threesomes Posted: 4/16/2009 7:34:27 AM
Women tend to go on and on if they are so inclined. Men will have their orgasm and that's that. Therefore, I'd say that it's easier for a woman to please two men at the same time.

mick2521

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Threesomes...why the bias? Posted: 4/9/2009 11:50:23 PM
I think things are changing. The old patriarchal system in which men's fantasies are imposed on the intellectual mainstream is slowly crumbling. Women aren't more naturally bisexual than men. If anything, I think men are more naturally bisexual than women. Consider that men are more sexual in the sense of being sex-seeking - therefore, it's a logical step to seeking sex with anything that moves, including other men. In prison, where women aren't available, previously 100% straight men are known to form sexual relationships with other men. It's the inner bi coming out. The only reason that female bisexuality appears more common in our society is because women use their sexuality - including their so-called bisexuality - as a marketing ploy - ie to make money and get attention which leads to financial gain. Men generally aren't marketeers, they're buyers.

mick2521

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Best Songs to Dance Like A Slut to? Posted: 4/9/2009 11:43:12 PM
I think that if you're dancing like a slut, you've got self-esteem issues. Maybe you're insecure.

mick2521

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women porn Posted: 3/31/2009 5:32:02 PM
Most women who do porn are simply doing it to prop up the straight guy fantasy. It's not empowering to women at all. It's done to please heterosexual men, pure and simple.

mick2521

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How many women fantasize watching their man with another man? Posted: 3/30/2009 5:50:09 PM
Kinsey has never been disproven. The people who challenged Kinsey were generally right-wing Christians and others who didn't like the idea of male bisexuality. I would put Kinsey before many of the current sexologists. Current sexology is skewed in favor of female bisexuality at the expense of male bisexuality. That's because sexology has been heavily influenced over the years by the porn industry and its bisexual double standard. In porn movies that contain both genders, the overall ratio of the occurrence of female bisexuality to male bisexuality is about 99 to 1. It's an industry which is set up to promote female bisexuality at the expense of male bisexuality, and it's been doing this for many years.

mick2521

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How many women fantasize watching their man with another man? Posted: 3/24/2009 5:22:42 PM
Redlance, Not all male-male activity is "invasive" . You'd be surprised by the number of men who will hug and massage each other, with no intention of penetration. There is a whole range of male-male activity, most of it not being penetration-related.

mick2521

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I think I'm weird Posted: 3/23/2009 6:53:48 AM
Oooh la la, I think there's an element of fetishistic role playing to your sexual fantasies. These roles are gender-dependent, with the role you play varying according to the gender of the person you are interacting with. I don't think you are weird per se. Weird is a perjorative term, which really isn't being fair on yourself.

mick2521

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How many women fantasize watching their man with another man? Posted: 3/23/2009 6:24:15 AM
Human sexuality is interesting, frequently throwing up curve balls in the form of disconnects. That's why it is incorrect to draw a conclusion from a voyeurism paradigm to an experience paradigm. In other words, just because "x" turns you on visually, it doesn't mean that you like experiencing "x". For example, it's well known that some lesbians like to watch male-male porn. These lesbians are turned on by the sight of two men going at it. However, these lesbians are not remotely interested in experiencing sexual activity with men. There's a difference between their voyeuristic desire and their experiential desire.

mick2521

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How many women fantasize watching their man with another man? Posted: 3/22/2009 6:21:45 PM
Redlance71, You reek of hypocrisy. Female-female is a homosexual act. If you're interested in looking at female-female, you're interested in homosexuality. Period. While you're entitled to your fetish, what riles me is when straight male dorks take the high ground with their double standard. Girl-girl hot, guy-guy gross? That's a classic double standard which reeks of high-minded hypocrisy. You're entitled to your fantasy but you're not entitled to your hypocrisy.

mick2521

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Do girls like to date bi men? Posted: 3/13/2009 6:03:26 PM
There should be no issue in dating a bisexual person so long as that person is faithful to you. On the broader issue, women tend to be hypocrites on the issue of bisexuality. They seem to think that female bisexuality is "hot" but that male bisexuality isn't. This is a truly hypocritical position which reeks of dishonesty and sleaze, something women are fully capable of. The worst are the bisexual women who criticize bisexual men. Talk about double standards.

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