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 Author Thread: A world without Religion
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 88 (view)
 
A world without Religion
Posted: 1/5/2006 5:45:58 PM
The definition of the problem "what would a world without religion be like?" requires first that you get a clear understanding of what religion has done in the first place. The answer to that has a lot to do with personal beliefs, but I dont think it has done anything that wasn't accomplished by people working in large groups. It is possible to define religion in such a way that it isn't resonsible for large scale conflict, but then you would also have to reject any positive influences it has had.

On the small scale, I think it is safe to say that religion does different things for people. Some need the Ten Commandments to prevent them from killing thier neighbor and moving in with his wife. They need the incentives of heaven and hell to keep them in line. Others of us have no problems with a system that grants purely worldly rewards. Empathy goes beyond religion, and plain old good strategy is that we should all play well together.

But some people are scary, and in a world without religion, they might have no controll over themselves. We created religions for a good reason. I wonder what kind of system might be devised to handle that scenario if people couldn't be convinced that there is an invisible man watching you?

If there is no religion in the world, would that mean that people are less susceptible to peer pressure or irrational behavior? What happens when everyone starts thinking for themseslves? What is the average persons "gut instincts"? I have come to the conclusion that people matter more to me than anything I could gain by harming them. How many would share that opinion, not just in thought, but in action?

In case you were wondering, it is my opinion that there are simply too many variables here to get a clear picture. Pick some and guess is the best anyone could do, and really is doing.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Point A (Friendly) to Point B (Dating)... any pointers?
Posted: 12/19/2005 10:23:18 PM
You know, you're right. I will just ask her out, I cant just overthink the hell out of it and never have anything happen. Lifes too short. Hmmm...

Though oddly, I think just having some random person I don't know at all say it helped. For what its worth, Thanks.

This is a stupid thread, and I'm a not a genius for posting it. I hope it gets deleted. Bwahahaha....
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 1 (view)
 
Point A (Friendly) to Point B (Dating)... any pointers?
Posted: 12/19/2005 7:09:34 PM
This may sound three kinds of retarded, but I'm having a hard time figuring out if a couple girls I meet are interested or not. My friends have suggested the possibility that a couple of women might be interested, but I have no idea how to take action on this one.

I'm wondering what the signs are, because all I see is someone having a nice conversation with me, while other people see more than that. My ex-girlfriend beat me over the head with the Baseball bat of the Obvious repeatedly before I got the hint, and now I'm wondering if I'm missing something from these probably more subtle women.

And if I do decide to do something, what do I do? Is blunt a good idea, or do I need to work my way up to it in stages? What is good form in this situation, since I will probably see these women repeatedly reguardless of what the answer is?
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 90 (view)
 
The best new religion in the world.
Posted: 12/14/2005 6:53:57 PM
Just so we are all clear, "Peace on earth, goodwill towards men/women" has been around for many many millennia. I'm not doing something new, just trying to make a point about how the good stuff in religion should be getting emphasized, and the factionalization of faith should not be the case. My head isn't so big that I think I can change the world overnight (I forsee weeks before I could make headway ). As for God's influence, I really do believe that the world as I understand it is the one He/She/Everything would want, to the core of my being. In such a way, God is acting through all of us who seek understanding and peace.

If starting a Church of Honor and Genius really would bring about that change, I would make it my lifes work. Sadly, there are too many people who believe as Christian Guy do, which is that there is no religion that deserves the respect his does. But for those of us who are CoHG's, we'll pursue our agenda in spite of them. Maybe a thousand years from now, our texts will have become the basis for world peace.

Or at least some really good parties.

Sidhe: Well, we'll have to see about that... sheesh, what an image...

cgrcry: You did... but you didn't know it. If you do now, then you are in.

ou: I think adding more is OK... not that I particularly like the emoticon myself, but the metaphor comes across well.

I noticed that the Cattle Prod of Peace and Harmony makes less sense now that all of christian guy's posts got deleted. Not that I mind. I wonder if I can become a moderator...

Peace everybody.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 55 (view)
 
The best new religion in the world.
Posted: 12/13/2005 7:30:48 PM

how does bickering enter into our religion?

I'm not sure how it got here, but it's gonna leave by the sound of...
*bzzzzt*
*crackle*
*shocky sound*
"Aieeeeee!!!"
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 51 (view)
 
The best new religion in the world.
Posted: 12/13/2005 7:21:53 PM
D*mn it you two, do I have to get the Cattle Prod of Peace and Harmony out?
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 50 (view)
 
The best new religion in the world.
Posted: 12/13/2005 7:19:29 PM
DJ: Yup. We'll need to have a special section for poetic texts though (and I'm an E.E. Cummings fan too) After all, God already knows whats going on. It's people we're trying to get through to, and nothing is easier to interpret one hundred ways than poetry.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 44 (view)
 
The best new religion in the world.
Posted: 12/13/2005 6:58:39 PM
The rule reguarding Beer is as follows:

"The person holding the party and/or gathering makes the first call. If you are picky, or don't know whats there, you are responsible for your own wellfare. In no event is BYOB unacceptable."

Microbrews, Guiness and mixed drinks are preferences for me, but for the sake of inclusion, it's all good.

Weed should probably be given the same rules as legalized drugs in my mind, but the law is still the law, and should be obeyed so long as it is right *wink, wink* Weed also makes you stupid and slow, so moderation in all things and abstinence in this particular one is still the best rule. That said, DJ can join without guilt, but he must learn to use spellcheck before he can contribute.

New rules in the Code :
"There exists no interpretation of this code worth harming another over, or the factionalization of the Church. There will always be one Church of Honor and Genius, which is itself both patron and client of all other organizations"

"No killing and eating people because they are annoying, rude, smelly, off-key, inconvenience, irritation and/or as a sacrifice to evil gods."

---Come to think of it, we may need an entire book of reasons not to kill.
---And no exploding Grod. The above rule covers this point nicely.

"The metaphorical and sexual slang term "eating" of cultists is of course fully endorsed and encouraged by the CoHG"
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 29 (view)
 
The best new religion in the world.
Posted: 12/12/2005 6:57:22 PM
Hmm... I dont plan on walking around smelling like a flower. We could define what you are not to smell like, but that could get vulgar fast. How do you define a smell you want to hug?

Or do we just say "Thou shall smell huggable when hugging is in order." and leave it to individual cultural interpretation?
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 27 (view)
 
The best new religion in the world.
Posted: 12/12/2005 6:51:06 PM
Bright: You can join, but no eating the cultists...or anyone else for that matter. Strictly off limits in my church. Thats gonna have to be part of the code, huh?

Chinua: Consider yourself in. :HUG:

Sweet: Hugs can be a new greeting, though good hygine will need to become mandatory, and part of the religious code at some point. Thou shalt deodorize, or something to that effect that is less haughty.

The holy matress can consider itself a subsidiary, since a good nights sleep does bring you closer to God. As do other matress based activities, for that matter.

We could be a secret society, but I have gotten word that everyone on planet earth is already a member. That said... most people dont know it ...yet... and we few are the only ones who have truly realized that we belong to it. Just a heads up for anyone thinking about making this an exclusive church of hoity-toityness.

Any other membership issue we need to clear up?
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 13 (view)
 
The best new religion in the world.
Posted: 12/10/2005 8:26:54 PM

you need to 1)repent and 2)cool down and 3)have a cup of tea.

1) Nope, only you believe that is neccesary 2) It's like 50 degreees here. Brrr. 3) Done

Feral, SFL, Sweet: Woohoo! 3 members! Spread the word!

Wonka: Leave it to you to make me read. O.K., so it does sound a bit like baha'i, though I balk at the use of the phrase "It just sounds like...". I may try to refrain from using titles like "the Blessed Perfection" too. Perfection just sounds like a difficult goal to live up to. Honor and genius anyone can do.

Don't be too Atheist either, Wonka. Piss him off and God makes you do the Dance of Apology as well *shudder*.


And I thought you were going to say Islam

If you accept all religions, Islam is in the mix as well.


No question, not even the "Spagetti Monster" can touch

Darn tootin'
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 1 (view)
 
The best new religion in the world.
Posted: 12/9/2005 8:16:34 PM
Under the direction of God himself, I am taking the liberty of starting a new religion. The Church of Honor and Genius shall be founded this day, Dec 9th 2005, so mark it in your calendar. There will be parties and days off work later. So here is the deal, the irrefutable truth handed down by God himself to me, so that it could be related to you in a digital fashion. Why you ask? Because he's God and he works like that.

Here is how the universe works, as related by the Honorable Prophet himself.

When you die, you get a choice of the afterlives you earned in life. True, this may sound confusing, but it makes sense. Hindu's get their Karma, Christians get their Salvation, Atheists get into a heaven if they sing the I'm Very Sorry song. God's rule on the Atheists, don't ask why. You can swap out if one sounds better than the other, but you can't trade up.

Bad people don't get to pick. All the people they seriously wronged get to pick for them. No eternity however, as this wouldn't be fair, the others in line should have a say.

And as it turns out, God is actually one, many and everything, so if you’ve been worshipping Celtic gods, the goddess/god duet, or whatever else, they are there too. Even the trans-dimensional octopus, who has been getting a lot more play recently.

Nobody cares what your intentions are. Only actions that benefit the furthering of mankind count. So what if you donated to charity just to get on the good side of that girl in gym class? There are a lot of motivations in life, and as long as your actions remain good and beneficial, you should get whatever you can out of it in social gains. It encourages others to do the same, and God likes it when people help people.

Homosexuals are cool with us. They keep the population down and decorating sense up. And yes, they can get married.

Life begins in the second trimester.

Legitimately purchased and legally cast erotica is also a-ok. God gave us the ability to pleasure ourselves so that the ugly and/or desperate would feel better.

Religious conflict is not cool. Since everyone’s religion is mostly right when applied to themselves anyways, the aggressors are actually wrong, or in a worse case, murderers. Tolerance and acceptance is the only way to be truly enlightened.

The only end of the world that could possibly happen would be caused by humans. We have free will, and God doesn’t feel like blowing up the universe he spent so much time creating. If we kill ourselves, he can always start again on another planet anyways. You know, like any one of the other alien races inhabiting the universe he started up.

If the power of God compels you to join the Church of Honor and Genius, feel free to become a founding member. It’s free. And you don't even need to leave your old one, since that one is right as well. If you get really inspired, you can add additional holy works of literature to be included in the final edition of our sacred text.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 18 (view)
 
I just need ONE decent guy...
Posted: 12/8/2005 7:22:05 PM
I talk about my love life like it's sad and pathetic, but the reality is that I know I just need to find one girl who is good to me and I'm off the market. I have a good life by myself, and havent got any baggage. Finding one good girl will be a pain in the butt no doubt, but she's looking for me too. I'll assume the same applies to you as well.

The problem with life as I see it is that good people don't get recycled. I know I wont be. You don't throw a good fish back (you grill them up and eat them, but lets not think too hard about my analogy). So as I get older, I have this fear that the pool I have to choose from keeps getting more retarded. It's a fear that is warranted. I've watched some older guys I know resort to a catch and release policy due to the problems they've had.

You know what really bothers me? A somebody once told me that "You can never know what a person is like. You could be married happily for ten years and then BAM she turns out to be a total nutjob that has been cheating on you for the last few years." Which wouldn't bother me if there weren't a few people, nay, examples of this happening around me.

Best wishes, I hope you'll get lucky and find a good one. (I won't say "like me", this post is self gratifying enough as is...)
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 60 (view)
 
PORN ??
Posted: 12/8/2005 6:48:39 PM
The new AA : Azinbenlaidism Anonymous, where the only cure for porn addiction is love. Lots and lots of lovin'...

Seriously though dude, there will always be some really ****ed up people in the world who take a freak stance on what constitutes pleasure. For the sake of argument, lets assume we are the standard that this topic is being measured by. In that context, it's just a matter of whether or not paying to watch two to five people people and possibly a farm animal and/or midget go at it is acceptable under a given religious dogma. Certainly for a secular humanist, there exists a line of acceptability too. It just is rooted in the secular world.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 85 (view)
 
What would you do ?????
Posted: 12/7/2005 11:23:25 PM
Yeah, I forgot. Through the bible God/Jesus is kind of a pain in the ass with respect to the "I am the "one"" thing. No party for me in that situation, unless he's been ill represented, which I have faith is very likely.

Which leads into Pascal's nifty statement though. I for one love it, simply because he isn't playing to win, he's playing to not lose according to unprovable rules. Which is the way of things I guess.

So when it's me, the real Jesus and my boy Pascal lounging in some transdimensional reality, we'll all have a laugh at the expense of the living.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 2 (view)
 
Am I getting snubbed because I am Serbian?
Posted: 12/6/2005 7:40:36 PM
Nope, It's because you are male. Statistically, your odds here suck. Oh, and its the internet. And you probably have baggage. And most women here don't actually want to meet a guy. And the expectations of anyone met on here are extraordinarily high.

That said, best of luck.

(and don't forget, the supermarket has a way better ratio)
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 20 (view)
 
hey look, evoloution disproved here.
Posted: 12/6/2005 7:30:44 PM
Math explains everything

We all know that...

Women= Time*Money

and Time = Money

as well as the fact that Money is the root of all evil, i.e. {Money=(Evil)^.5}

So... Women= Money*Money= Money^2

Then ... Women = [(Evil^2)^.5]

And finally we realize that Women = Evil

Dimensional analysis saves the day again! Hooray!

[Thread Closed - Redundant]
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 67 (view)
 
What would you do ?????
Posted: 12/6/2005 7:17:13 PM

Its funny how ppl who do not believe in Jesus answer this question.
I cant get a straight answer, its all jokes to them.

By virtue of the fact that a non-believer doesn't believe, if he were to come back and prove us all wrong, it would be a joke. I sincerely believe that the guy would have had a sense of humor, being a human and all. And he'll need it, because a very large percentage of the population doesn't think he's coming.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 54 (view)
 
What would you do ?????
Posted: 12/5/2005 7:47:00 PM
Jesus carries his own unlimited supply of Wine, Bread and Fish. The man is a party waiting to happen. I'd follow that boy anywhere, there's bound to be all kinds of good stuff, parties, salvation, miracles, ect. Honestly, it sounds like fun. Except all the walking. Do you think he'd carpool? Would he have an itinerary? How is he going to deal with all the celebrity? If he comes back, he's gonna have some issues to work out.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 14 (view)
 
tall guys -- do u look down the womens' shirts?
Posted: 12/3/2005 11:00:52 AM
It's like looking at the sun. Linger too long, and your gonna get hurt in the other spheres. And as it turns out, our height gives a lady easy access...
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 47 (view)
 
Does your job get in the way of dating?
Posted: 12/3/2005 10:57:25 AM
Man, thanks guys, my 7:00 - 5:30 weekdays dont seem so bad anymore... I no longer have this as an excuse, I think.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 3 (view)
 
Scary Experience
Posted: 12/3/2005 10:51:10 AM
Oh, you mean that doesn't count as courting?
Never trust a person on the first glance. People are crazy, and it can be really hard to tell who's nuts in text. In person it is about 75% less likely to happen. But that is still a lot. I say be cautious as possible, you never know where they've been.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 32 (view)
 
Does the devil exist?
Posted: 12/3/2005 10:41:18 AM
I like pie

This is why I never made it past DiffyQs.

I see science as having certain tolerances, and there is a blurry area between facts and guessing. To my eyes, a lot of psychology seems like guess and check, without a proper way to check. And most humans seem to be well out of tolerance.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 121 (view)
 
Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 12/3/2005 10:16:47 AM

...they have had adequate knowledge of the right way.

This is one of those statements that interests me. What counts as "adequate knowledge"? Some guy in a suit trying to convince me I haven't been saved? Is that really adequate? I only ask that my God send better representation, the current batch of salespeople kinda suck.

Otherwise...
Hel was a Norse goddess that ruled in the underworld. Google with one "l".
It's pretty well documented.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 28 (view)
 
Does the devil exist?
Posted: 12/3/2005 10:12:45 AM
Part of the problem is how the words "science" and "prove" get tossed around. Being a member of a generation saturated in media, I can say that almost everyone here has been bombarded by "scientifically proven stuff". Its use in advertising should be banned, like the F-bomb. How many people here have actually gone through the arduous process of validating the scientific process and quality checking the people who claim it? Sound like something you'd do on a Saturday? (Wonka excluded, you nerd)

So no one is going to be proving scientifically how my mind works or if I am in fact possesed by the devil. Even if someone does, I'll just use my evil powers on them. And then plead insanity at the trial. It's good to be evil.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 14 (view)
 
PORN ??
Posted: 12/2/2005 6:12:10 PM

Ok but what about like XXX movies and mags

I imagine that voyeristic behavior that doesn't directly involve another person is a relatively new concept. To answer this question would mean Interpolating the answer from existing religious documents, or more dubiously relying on what someone else tells you. Either way the answers you get are going to depend on the preference of the individual.

Since God gave me a penis, a right hand and a serious case of the uglies, I seriously believe he isn't going to fine me too bad for this particular sin.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Do Happy looking couples ever make you mad?
Posted: 12/1/2005 8:12:15 PM
I just think to myself "she's cheating on him, and he's overcompensating with the lovey-dovey stuff because he knows it's true" and I magically feel better.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 47 (view)
 
Men...bigger girls...and rejection...ouch...
Posted: 12/1/2005 8:06:19 PM
I dont take rejection well. I have never called a woman a whale before... but I can not say I haven't hot wired her car, driven to a cornfield and danced naked around the burning wreckage of a 98 honda.

People that think they are ugly are more likely to put up with retarded crap though, and it's really very sad. The stereotype holds true, since so few people have a spine, and other people do take advantage of it. A sturdy spine is only worth so much though, then you start to get desprate. *sigh*
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 65 (view)
 
are all the guys on here looking for sex?
Posted: 12/1/2005 7:46:13 PM
If I wanted a friend, I'd talk to one of the hundred guys and girls I can have fun with.

If I want a loving ear, a companion I feel close to, there are twenty people I can relate to and open my heart with.

Good, passionate high quality sex on the other hand, I haven't found in a long while.

And if its elusive, that means you have to look harder.

I consider a relationship something that includes all three. So if friendship, love and most importantly sex with me doesn't interest a girl, I'm going to move on.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 102 (view)
 
Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/30/2005 10:25:53 PM
I've always been told to go there.

But I never knew you could get a season pass.

Wow, an effort to get back to the original post. Yeah, thats kinda what I've been saying, which is that for hell to become an incentive of any kind, you would need to believe in the teachings of the bible. Doing so kinda exempts you.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 99 (view)
 
Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/30/2005 10:20:48 PM
I made a mild effort to put things back on track at least.
1) That isn't a square pic.
2) The pictures sexual orientation is not relevant.
3) It needs reflected clouds or flames to be topical
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 97 (view)
 
Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/30/2005 10:12:17 PM
They say the eyes are the window to the soul...

In the movies, they make it so easy to tell who's going to hell. There are always flames reflected in the closeup of thier eyes. Or sunglasses. Do those count?

And after all, can I really hijack something that is mine?
Huh, huh, huh?
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 95 (view)
 
Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/30/2005 10:07:17 PM
Oh, nevermind. You're set then. Umm, get a neet looking picture then, something that speaks about YOU.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 1 (view)
 
What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 11/30/2005 10:05:32 PM
I'd like to know what your religions think about suicide? Are there any times when it's OK, like your going to die painfully anyways? Some people seem to think it is acceptable in certain situations, and others are strictly against it.

Thoughts?
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 92 (view)
 
Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/30/2005 9:59:47 PM
OK you two, quite arguing on my thread!
Sweet, convert that second picture of you with the hair and stuff into a square and use it. Its way cuter than the angry one you have on now.
Christian Guy, get a figging Avatar so people can distinguish one zealot from the other. And get a job with higher pay and more work. Thats just because I think thats what everyone needs.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 74 (view)
 
Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/30/2005 9:08:03 PM
Funn1: yeah, I think this is standard fare for a public thread to go way off topic. Pulling it back in would be an excercise of will I'm not currently going to make. I'm too tired
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 63 (view)
 
Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/29/2005 6:06:52 PM
Really? I thought there was an accountability thing for that, like if you hadn't been taught about Jesus, you get judged differently or something...

I may be wrong.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 61 (view)
 
Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/29/2005 5:56:45 PM
Yeah, it would be pretty hard for a modern day religion to claim all the babies, children and retards are going to hell. That would just be bad. A miscarriage, child's death or retardation is hard enough for a person to go through.

Along the same lines, some religions also have a way to save people in the past, who didn't have a chance to reject their God's teachings, so that when people convert, they dont think granny is in hell. Because that would just be bad too.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 21 (view)
 
God's Will: Are you trying to know, or do you just know you are right?
Posted: 11/29/2005 5:48:40 PM

1. There are not just two sides, it's not just a question of black and white, life is far more complicated that that.
4. You label people as 'others' by saying "the second kind"; a mistake, we are all of the same kind under heaven... to say otherwise is to judge.


1: I'm not really referring to sides in a strict sense, it's more like a questioning or not questioning scenario. The logic being that if you are not closed off, then you are open to some degree. Its the statement I thought best fit.
4: Very true. It would be better stated that posts and individual thoughts and decisions are judged in this way, not the entire person.

Motif: You ignore me and attack John Lennon. You --->
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 13 (view)
 
God's Will: Are you trying to know, or do you just know you are right?
Posted: 11/28/2005 10:56:55 PM

I am right and on God's side.

That's a pretty high pedestal.

Well, the homosexuals are pretty much doomed to never become a part of your religion, I'll grant you that. Of course, that leaves everyone elses religion, and there are quite a few that really dont mind. And a whole bunch of people willing to accept another's worldveiw, as long as it doesnt harm them personally.

Stem Cell research has had cautious and quiet approval by the Mormons, who define the beginnings of life as a two step process and use theological criteria. But you know that. Not that I use that as a reason, I have my own ideas, but it does show that there are conservative christians that support it as well. It's not as well defined as you say.


You mentioned issues which are black and white.

Pure black and white don't exist. It's all shades of color. You are just choose to call blue colors black, and red colors white. And it is a choice you make.


A monkey can be the judge on these simple issues.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean his opinion is worth squat.


I am a trained theology expert.

Uh huh, nice title. What organization authorized it?
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 13 (view)
 
Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/28/2005 10:20:06 PM
I'm interested in the hell not being a place but rather a separation from God, and the possibility of a souls destruction rather than eternal torment. Is this the teachings of a specific religion?
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 8 (view)
 
Hell : Does anyone actually think they are going there?
Posted: 11/28/2005 8:28:33 PM
It isn't pride, Motif. A child believes anything you tell him. A child believes in the easter bunny. I am a man now, and I know that men lie. Men are not perfect. (Women are in there too, BTW). Your words are the words of a man, and I do not trust them implicitly. If I am jaded, it is because of all the different ways I have been told I could be going to hell, the myriad reasons and excuses wore thin, and then the underlying reasoning behind a religion's hell became apparent. You don't understand this, because you think you know God.

When you start to understand why you fear and why you believe, you can never be a child again.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 12 (view)
 
God's Will: Are you trying to know, or do you just know you are right?
Posted: 11/28/2005 7:55:12 PM
Sally and Vocal: Thanks for the input, and support.

DG: I rarely comprehend you man...

BR: Yes.

Sidhe: Would you stop attacking DG? It's unbecoming (and it's not like he'll stop)

Motif: I am glad you chimed in, in spite of my message and the inevitable onslaught. It's inflexible thinking that I am trying to understand. The ten commandments are mostly undebatable (although I am a fan of George Carlin's condensed version, and the whole "my god is the only god" ruffles feathers). So you are not going to find much debate about murder, adultery ect. The debate stems from interpretation of the entire rest of the work, and how people's beliefs become set. Homosexuality, Stem Cell Research, and the like, are topics where other people believe differently than you. The knee-jerk reaction of most of the close minded people I have met is not much better than "Burn the heretic". If I am wrong about that forgive me, but it is a generalization I have come to assume because of repetition. If there is a different thought process going on, enlighten me.

Otherwise...
Screw the hammer and chisel, I have the power tools. We can do something really nice, with fancy lettering, and explain to the world how to be at peace with one another by having an open heart and mind. I doubt my new religion would sell very well though, being so new and all...
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 25 (view)
 
Female Pastors/Preachers: Sinning against God???
Posted: 11/27/2005 8:05:44 PM
Fear. They pick on Sweet, but know that since she is a godless heathen, she might hunt them down and have her way with them. So no picture to identify themselves by, lest she should find them. (250 million people is a lot, but you never know. She might have powers.)

tee hee

peace
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 6 (view)
 
Is Hell exothermic or endothermic?
Posted: 11/27/2005 7:58:17 PM
That is the funniest nerd joke I've heard in a while. Keep in mind- someone had to write it first! Props to them.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 1 (view)
 
God's Will: Are you trying to know, or do you just know you are right?
Posted: 11/27/2005 7:26:21 PM
There are two sides of this fence, and while a person may go back and forth, posts around here tend to put you on one or the other.

The first kind of person is seeking, looking and trying to do God's will. They assume that all is not perfect, that the religions of the day are still in turmoil like they have been since the dawn of time and that there are many questions that can not be answered definatively. They compromise, they think, and they try to do good deeds. But the most important aspect of this is that they do not know their actions are right, regardless of believing in a religious path as the right one.

I don't like the second kind very much. This person has stopped thinking, and has aquired a set of beliefs that are carved in stone. Thier faith lies entirely with this veiwpoint being right, and any change is an insult. I don't really know what goes on in the minds of such a person, but it seems like they feel that everything they do is right since God is on thier side. Such a person is capable of the greatest good, and the worst evil. It frightens me a little when I hear such people speak out thier beliefs, and I can't help but wonder if they even hear what they are saying anymore.

Most of all, I wonder if anyone else has these thoughts, and if people classify themselves in this way?
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 7 (view)
 
Female Pastors/Preachers: Sinning against God???
Posted: 11/27/2005 7:04:32 PM
I think J-roc has a computer bible with the "find" command. Hey, let us know what program you are using J!
Peace.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 19 (view)
 
Political differences and relationships/falling in love
Posted: 11/27/2005 1:13:42 PM
As always, it comes down to what kind of person it is. My parents are of opposing viewpoints, and yet have been married for 26 years. It comes down to whether or not your political affiliation is just an opinion that can be civilly debated and discussed or if it is a faction you have joined and will relentlessly champion.

It's the difference between someone who thinks that staying in Iraq and supporting the troops is neccessary for the promotion of democratic values and preventing further dictatorships in the middle east, and someone who thinks everyone that doesnt support the Bush administration is a terrorist-loving s***beral. The first is a human I can get along with and fall in love with, the second is just a mindless drone.

Politics are only dangerous because of the people.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 55 (view)
 
THE MARK OF THE BEAST???
Posted: 11/25/2005 10:30:02 AM
What if it is all just a ploy? I mean, he says he's gonna come back at any time, so you had better be good. Then he just doesn't come back, lets us worry about when and that makes certain you are following him all the time? Then he will come back later when people stop worrying and stir it all up again. At least, thats what I would do.
 honorable genius
Joined: 7/15/2005
Msg: 39 (view)
 
No Replies bitching here!
Posted: 11/22/2005 11:26:47 PM
oh sure! sometimes I like to start off that way...you know... cut to the chase and not waste time. "Hi, you're hot. Do you like oral as much as I do? Really? That's swell." and we all know where it goes from there. I dont se what the problem is...lol
 
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